The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1517

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the podcast of The Lotus Eaters, episode 1517.

00:00:04.500 I'm your host, Harry, joined today by Dan and Nate.

00:00:08.380 Glad to have you here.

00:00:09.380 And today we're going to be talking about the strange circumstances

00:00:12.200 around RAF Fairford, including the fact that the alleged culprits

00:00:16.980 have already been released, I believe.

00:00:19.240 Oh, so much more than that.

00:00:20.360 I know, I know.

00:00:21.200 I think that was the big headline that a lot of people saw.

00:00:24.760 I'm going to be talking about the PlayStation, Xbox,

00:00:26.800 and Hideo Kojima situation and ask the question

00:00:29.380 that is on everybody's tongues.

00:00:31.140 Will India save the games industry?

00:00:33.720 And Dan is going to be asking about 1.00

00:00:35.240 how we deal with delusional women. 0.99

00:00:36.720 So you're going to be adding to a conversation 0.98

00:00:38.640 that's been going on for roughly 5,000 years.

00:00:41.960 Yes, but the Singaporeans are cracked it.

00:00:44.100 Oh, all right.

00:00:44.680 Okay.

00:00:45.020 I'm interested to find a solution.

00:00:46.520 It's solved the problem.

00:00:47.460 And with that, we'll get straight into the news.

00:00:50.540 All right.

00:00:50.900 Well, Berthard, a bit weird, isn't it?

00:00:54.760 Yeah.

00:00:55.000 Getting weirder and weirder by the day.

00:00:56.740 I've loosely followed that one.

00:00:58.240 so people turn up at an air base

00:01:00.300 are arrested and then immediately

00:01:02.380 released. So I've sort of covered

00:01:04.340 the, just real quick recap

00:01:06.360 because I know Firas covered it on

00:01:08.300 Monday, but it's gotten weirder since.

00:01:10.260 So I'm doing an update because it is just very

00:01:12.240 bizarre and I'm sure everyone

00:01:14.220 that's watched any update is like, what?

00:01:17.260 What? The fact that they're already

00:01:18.440 back out again within

00:01:20.300 days is very strange. That's weird

00:01:22.240 but that's genuinely just the tip

00:01:24.300 of the iceberg

00:01:24.860 on the weirdness. That is actually the tip of the iceberg.

00:01:28.060 so what we know so far right or at least just quickly before i update everyone the main thing 1.00

00:01:34.220 that happened was there was a couple of vans little lone woman farmer saw the vans and was

00:01:43.700 like this is a bit weird let me call um let me call uh the and this was outside an air base yeah

00:01:51.080 it was close to an air base was it an american because trump yes you us air force close yeah

00:01:56.360 It was close to the very specific air base,

00:01:59.220 which they load up to do bombing runs on Iran.

00:02:04.860 Yes, yes.

00:02:06.440 Right, okay.

00:02:06.980 So, and then she foiled the plan, right? 0.53

00:02:10.500 She foiled it.

00:02:11.520 That was the main story.

00:02:13.400 So they got arrested

00:02:14.520 and then they got re-arrested by counter-terrorists,

00:02:20.180 counter-terror police.

00:02:22.640 And then they got released on bail.

00:02:24.120 so that's probably up to where most people kind of know the story so they got released on bail

00:02:31.000 but they're still under investigation right the only other bit i know is i saw some clips

00:02:36.340 of mainstream media and they spent a lot of time repeating over and over again with their

00:02:40.580 british nationals yeah well yeah so we'll cover that as well so at the time this was released

00:02:46.080 the 28th september counter-terror police chief said i can confirm the following extensive

00:02:50.400 interviews and inquiries the five men who were arrested are being released on police bail to be

00:02:56.240 very clear though they're still under investigation interesting why would you release them so why is

00:03:02.440 danny tomo like not bailed until next year and everybody that looks a bit like danny danny tomo

00:03:11.160 never gets bail they just get kept in the system for months until their trial but these british

00:03:17.940 nationals because because jacob reese mogg has assured me that all british nationals are

00:03:21.680 basically identical well that they're the heirs actually to athelstan himself but what why do

00:03:26.540 some british nationals get released on bail almost immediately and some don't yeah well you know what

00:03:31.340 mystery don't know right who knows genuinely who knows um so this is what was said this was a weird

00:03:36.700 and shifty as well so here was a statement i can confirm that following extensive interviews and

00:03:43.320 inquiries, the five men who were arrested are being released on police bail this afternoon.

00:03:51.140 To be very clear, this does not mean that the investigation is over. They are subject to

00:03:57.380 stringent conditions on their movement and contact with others. They absolutely remain

00:04:03.400 under investigation as we explore multiple lines of inquiry. I also know there is significant

00:04:10.940 interest in whether the current geopolitical context has a bearing on this incident at

00:04:17.800 counterterrorism policing we're working within this context every single day and at this stage

00:04:23.900 we are keeping an open mind in this investigation we have as you would expect ensured that our

00:04:30.060 protective security advice and posture remain commensurate to the threat anyway bear in mind

00:04:37.860 And that 4 p.m. on Monday, that video is put out on Twitter an hour and a half after the podcast we reported on this went out.

00:04:45.900 And we were getting comments saying, as we were reporting on it, they're already out.

00:04:51.220 But they're still under investigation, guys.

00:04:55.460 But he did say they're under stringent conditions because of the type of people who try and blow up an airbase

00:05:00.740 and not the sort of people who would be given a restriction and think that's optional.

00:05:04.400 yeah well yeah criminals typically do obey the law you would think that if somebody was being

00:05:10.580 actively investigated by counter-terrorism police after having been caught at the site of a

00:05:15.360 potentially thwarted terror attack that instead of letting them go on stringent conditions on bail

00:05:21.620 that they would instead simply keep them yeah well it gets weirder

00:05:25.940 i mean mate the whole this whole thing gets weirder and weirder it's weirder than this

00:05:35.400 right i keep trying to come with like white pill uh segments this is a white pill just by how

00:05:42.280 bizarre it is and just how comically strange the whole thing is anyway so it gets weirder right

00:05:47.160 so uh tests have shown that the materials found in the vans outside raf airford are not viable

00:05:52.860 explosives so this happened right so okay fair sure fine what were they then i mean even fireworks

00:06:03.480 could have been classified as viable explosives because yeah they blow up at the end yeah but

00:06:08.660 also like why was one of the vans with like a signage to something that doesn't exist 0.89

00:06:14.640 why was that a thing i've seen that on movies when they're gonna do some terrorist shit they

00:06:20.360 put a fake thing they did they did for this they just put sort of like normal flower delivery van 0.86

00:06:27.420 written on the side so it's called fuel to you now there is a fuel to you but in typical use

00:06:33.860 uk speak it's you the the letter you not you and so oh like phones yeah you yeah yeah so they but

00:06:41.820 they did that on this okay so that's one way they were full of petrol or diesel or something were

00:06:47.960 Well, let's keep going down this rabbit hole.

00:06:50.640 That sounds explosive to me, but okay.

00:06:52.260 It does, doesn't it?

00:06:53.860 Well, yeah. 0.97

00:06:54.380 Well, we'll keep going down this rabbit hole of utter nonsense.

00:06:59.360 Also, it was a quantity of petrol then.

00:07:02.260 Right.

00:07:03.120 So that is an explosive though.

00:07:05.160 I mean, you could blow up with that.

00:07:10.480 I mean, if you had a barrel of petrol and you dropped a cigarette in it,

00:07:13.700 I mean, I presume that, I'm no chemist,

00:07:16.400 but I presume that would be bad.

00:07:18.580 Oh, yeah.

00:07:19.040 And the police are saying

00:07:19.780 that there's no explosives were found,

00:07:21.560 just barrels of extremely volatile hydrocarbons.

00:07:26.580 Yeah, no viable explosives.

00:07:28.660 Right.

00:07:29.940 But quantities of petrol that is flammable,

00:07:33.480 highly flammable.

00:07:34.420 Yeah.

00:07:35.040 Yeah.

00:07:35.540 We can confirm that no improvised explosive devices were found.

00:07:38.840 Oh, okay, that's all right then.

00:07:40.720 That's all good.

00:07:41.720 That's fine, isn't it?

00:07:42.500 Well, it's not improvised

00:07:45.440 except by the oil refinery.

00:07:47.540 Yeah, well, I mean, all you'd have to do is what?

00:07:49.480 If it's like a barrel, for instance,

00:07:51.120 it's just, I don't know, like open it, roll it,

00:07:55.320 and set fire to the stream.

00:07:57.220 I presume so, yeah.

00:07:58.300 It's then rolling down towards a barrel,

00:08:00.100 which would then explode, obviously.

00:08:02.540 You would have thought so.

00:08:03.400 Yeah, that's how that works.

00:08:05.660 Anyway, again, still,

00:08:07.580 this actually isn't the weirdest part of it all.

00:08:09.680 Okay.

00:08:10.220 Genuinely gets weirder.

00:08:12.240 So Donald Trump claims that the RAF Fairfield suspects are terrorists.

00:08:17.120 I've got to say, that's my reading so far.

00:08:19.940 Yeah.

00:08:21.020 Yeah.

00:08:21.380 Well, he's just come out and been like, no, they're terrorists.

00:08:25.860 Right?

00:08:26.960 Quote, I'm just disappointed that they caught terrorists.

00:08:30.920 And then they sort of just let them go.

00:08:33.700 How do you give bail to a terrorist?

00:08:36.520 So he's like the dude on the screen that is saying what you're thinking.

00:08:41.260 because that's what I'm thinking too

00:08:43.300 he's like the

00:08:46.880 reactor YouTuber watching a bad film

00:08:49.580 going well this makes no sense

00:08:51.360 yeah again it gets weirder

00:08:53.240 Donald Trump giving live

00:08:53.960 plausible dates

00:08:55.640 now he could just be bluffing

00:08:57.860 he could be BSing but he did come out and say this

00:09:00.800 what's your reaction to that

00:09:03.040 and is this connected to Iran

00:09:05.020 might be but I will tell you 1.00

00:09:07.800 quiet this one Samson mate 1.00

00:09:08.960 don't let them have bail

00:09:11.200 cashless bail i wonder is it cashless bail i guess that was one of the problems that we had

00:09:17.220 which started the whole mess of crime and we're ending cashless bail but over there i'm surprised

00:09:24.580 that they released them i wouldn't have done that look they've been very good they worked with us

00:09:28.080 very closely uh we know everything about them we would not have released them so you said

00:09:33.960 we should probably do sound checks before we start yeah so so he but he said we know everything

00:09:40.120 about them we would not have released them and he actually said that pretty much straight away as

00:09:43.420 well um marco rubio says that a foreign actor was involved in raf fairford incident i know the

00:09:51.800 answer to this one because i've heard it like a million times on twitter yeah they're british

00:09:56.180 nationals they're not they're not foreign in any way no but by proxy foreign actors were involved

00:10:02.380 i guess how do you mean well that's what he's suggesting a foreign actor was involved in the

00:10:07.960 aria fairford instant i won't go into uh i won't go into great detail on that yet other than that

00:10:13.920 this was a very serious thing he said so we'll just read a little bit of this uh so he told fox

00:10:19.340 news it was a situation that clearly involves the hands of a foreign actor clearly that's why they

00:10:24.200 released on bail right it's cashless bail i know a lot of people are disturbed by the news that

00:10:30.920 some of these people have been released on bail some of the people are being investigated

00:10:34.820 obviously we're engaging with them on all of that there's a lot more news that will come out on this

00:10:40.440 in the days to come that there is only so much i can say at this point okay well that's interesting

00:10:46.560 isn't it why are they why are they on bail then what's going on you think if they're attacking

00:10:52.060 well potentially attacking u.s air base and we are very close allies with the u.s to allow them

00:10:58.480 to run an air base in our own territory that the u.s would be able to have a say in whether these

00:11:04.780 people go or not because counter-terrorism we don't we aren't the only ones with counter-terrorism

00:11:08.820 surely the u.s counter-terrorism would want to talk to them as well yeah well you think so why

00:11:14.560 wouldn't the u.s outside of saying oh this is so weird why did they let them go yeah surely they

00:11:19.980 would just say no you can't let them go we want to speak to them as well maybe maybe we both have

00:11:25.360 counter-terrorism but we have different philosophies so the british one might be for terrorism it's

00:11:31.100 three strikes and you're out rule whereas the americans it's like it's like no one strike

00:11:36.560 and you're out yeah maybe could be that it could be couldn't it it could be anyway so there's some

00:11:42.120 more weird stuff so this is all just very strange at this point in time like the left hand not

00:11:46.300 knowing what the right hand's doing were they carrying explosives were they not well it was

00:11:50.380 some petrol so that is well were they were they british nationals that's the one that's on my

00:11:54.360 mind well they got they got a passport mate so okay so well as long as as long as they got the

00:11:59.280 correct paperwork yeah then then yeah that that magic soil isn't the thing kosher magic paper

00:12:04.960 yes so then some more weird stuff started to come out um suspect foiled raf fairford bomb plot by

00:12:12.800 ringing the police himself what that's a wrinkle i'd not heard about this yeah i told you it got

00:12:19.660 weirder so now they're claiming on himself right so now here's where i elaborate on the on on the

00:12:27.480 how this whole thing came to be again just to clarify the first story that dropped right

00:12:33.520 was a farmer spotted three vans and about eight to ten men and was like that's weird

00:12:42.020 i'm gonna call the um base emergency phone that we get told to call okay because that's that's

00:12:52.220 that's weird that's suspicious no one picked up that emergency phone line by the way

00:12:56.500 all right this is all you can look this up this was what was going around at the start this was

00:13:00.680 what how they were reporting on it no one picked up that phone line so then she dialed the local

00:13:05.820 police right no one picked up that phone line great services then she called 999

00:13:13.820 then people came out but now we're learning apparently that one of the british nationals

00:13:22.520 called the police even though we'd previously learned that it was a farmer a local farmer

00:13:27.880 who is still talking about this so two stories are being the local farmer was well i've got a

00:13:35.400 little bit more about her in a minute but but this is now another thing that's happening so the the

00:13:40.600 the british nationals rang on the dobbed on themselves rang 999 themselves and said we're

00:13:46.720 about to do a terrorism yeah and i just can't help it i kind of have to confess but i'm going

00:13:53.460 to do it anyway one of the five men phone 999 in the early hours of sunday morning before the group

00:13:57.580 was arrested on suspicion of explosives and terrorist offenses in the proximity of raf

00:14:02.560 fairford was yep i mean that what presumably he's a confidential informant or something

00:14:11.020 The suspect's motives in calling the police are also under investigation whether he got cold feet or whether it was part of the plan.

00:14:18.320 Okay, so we still don't know.

00:14:19.980 Also, that's not true because it was a farmer that did it.

00:14:24.680 We're just out of interest, how could it be part of the plan?

00:14:28.020 I've got no idea.

00:14:29.540 I don't have a take here.

00:14:31.140 This whole segment is just how bizarre this whole thing is.

00:14:33.900 I mean, I do have a take, I just can't say it on YouTube.

00:14:36.500 So there's a little bit more.

00:14:37.300 I can imagine you going to a different airfield and ringing up and say,

00:14:43.080 we're about to do a terrorism in this one.

00:14:44.640 So all the airmen go that way and then you do that one.

00:14:49.980 That could be quite clever.

00:14:51.420 Well, he's just dobbed on himself.

00:14:53.300 But it's a lot less clever when you ring it on the one that you're actually doing.

00:14:56.600 Yeah.

00:14:57.840 Yeah.

00:14:58.600 Anyway, it gets weirder.

00:14:59.580 Right.

00:15:01.320 So the farmer who called 999 over the suspects near RAF Fairford,

00:15:05.260 she's 100% certain

00:15:06.260 she saw 8-10 men

00:15:07.420 not just the 5

00:15:09.160 that were arrested

00:15:09.800 and the police

00:15:11.020 haven't bothered

00:15:11.560 to contact her

00:15:12.400 about what she saw

00:15:13.880 that's interesting

00:15:21.460 also

00:15:22.320 so we just

00:15:23.060 we have to assume

00:15:24.220 if that's true

00:15:24.860 if we're going with

00:15:26.260 that this wasn't

00:15:26.840 just a normal

00:15:27.420 an organic event

00:15:28.940 that the police

00:15:30.160 should be searching

00:15:30.840 for 3-5 extra people

00:15:32.380 well you'd think so

00:15:33.180 wouldn't you

00:15:33.560 so the farmer also revealed the message she sent to the local village whatsapp group

00:15:39.360 after encountering the men when you live in welford you notice everything yeah like strange

00:15:45.060 brown men running around with three vans she also confirms that one van had strange signage on it

00:15:50.580 and when she called the number it did not work that's the one that i was referring to at the

00:15:53.320 start and this is what she said this is the whatsapp message uh in case anyone is and she's

00:15:58.480 that's why it's blown up there in massive format font um bless her heart but you know good on her

00:16:05.240 because she she clearly saw something she wasn't supposed to maybe who knows good old-fashioned

00:16:10.460 rural english xenophobia saves the day i mean but no guys no he called him he called the police

00:16:18.440 could that be a that'd be a slight wrinkle that the that as reporting came out they realized that

00:16:25.200 the message that they were accidentally sending to the public

00:16:27.680 was be xenophobic in your rural villages

00:16:30.540 and you will stop terror plots.

00:16:32.180 I don't know.

00:16:33.020 This whole thing is so bizarre.

00:16:34.340 It could be something as simple as the police are all incredibly busy

00:16:38.260 scanning social media for somebody who's said a naughty,

00:16:42.540 somebody who's done a racism.

00:16:44.000 That's true.

00:16:44.420 They just don't have anyone free to go and investigate

00:16:47.740 three vans full of masked men about to do a terrorism on an airfield.

00:16:54.480 Which ones, though? Because remember, the special hotline on the airbase wasn't manned.

00:17:01.120 Well, maybe they're tracking down people on social media who did a racism as well.

00:17:04.840 That's true. What about the local police?

00:17:08.160 Well, presumably, so actually the Facebook message might be the one thing that got through

00:17:13.520 because the local police were scanning it looking for racism.

00:17:16.480 Well, that was a WhatsApp message to the local village group.

00:17:19.320 Oh, yeah.

00:17:19.940 Yeah, yeah. Do you see how this just doesn't make any sense?

00:17:22.460 the more and more we learn it just starts to fall apart it's so very bizarre there's more

00:17:27.920 right there is more um so sources tell the times that raf airford suspects are not being

00:17:34.960 investigated for fuel theft even though their vans were full of fuel and they're still being

00:17:39.460 investigated maybe they believe in bulk buying my mother-in-law believes in bulk buying she buys

00:17:43.500 like whole packs of like all sorts of stuff just just in case she needs it so maybe it may be

00:17:48.800 Maybe they were going for a drive and they were just concerned,

00:17:51.240 oh, what if we run out of fuel?

00:17:52.800 Why don't we get three months' worth of fuel and keep it back?

00:17:56.220 True, even though it evaporates and stuff.

00:17:58.540 So the investigation is focused on whether the group was acting as proxies for Iran,

00:18:04.140 conducting surveillance, testing security in a dry run,

00:18:07.720 or sending a message to the government.

00:18:09.160 Right, oh, okay.

00:18:10.620 Why are they on bail then?

00:18:13.020 This is a very strange photograph, the more I look at it.

00:18:17.320 Why are they topless?

00:18:18.280 Yeah, why do they appear to not wear any shirts?

00:18:20.280 Why did the police...

00:18:21.040 No, they literally are topless. 0.98

00:18:22.120 Why did the police strip them?

00:18:23.840 That's weird.

00:18:26.760 Anyway, it gets weirder.

00:18:28.140 Right, I've got another theory.

00:18:30.180 Maybe because when the police did their terrorism training,

00:18:34.420 it was if they're wearing a suicide vest when they were terrorists,

00:18:38.460 if they're not, they're not.

00:18:40.200 Right.

00:18:40.600 And therefore you can let them off.

00:18:42.320 Oh, so they were topless? 0.56

00:18:43.780 No, no.

00:18:44.100 No, I'm saying maybe the police made them remove their tops

00:18:47.120 and then discover, oh, they're not wearing a suicide vest

00:18:49.240 and therefore they can't be terrorists

00:18:51.200 and therefore we have to let them go.

00:18:52.860 That might make sense.

00:18:54.400 So then, so again,

00:18:56.680 gets a little bit weirder, by the way.

00:18:58.680 Right.

00:19:00.260 Investigators are still considering a plot

00:19:02.020 potentially involving proxies for the Iranian state

00:19:04.280 as the most likely explanation for the incident

00:19:06.640 at the airbase on Sunday,

00:19:08.600 according to the people familiar with the matter.

00:19:10.900 So that's from Bloomberg.

00:19:11.860 So that's repeating the same thing.

00:19:13.100 Iran has come out and been like,

00:19:14.400 we're not involved in this.

00:19:15.400 What are you talking about?

00:19:17.120 Like, obviously, I'm not suggesting we should believe Iran. 1.00

00:19:20.500 They would say that. 1.00

00:19:21.260 I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:22.840 I mean, yeah, obviously.

00:19:26.220 So this is all very weird, but it gets weirder.

00:19:29.320 This, to me, right, let me...

00:19:32.680 Scroll down this time.

00:19:34.380 Oh, I've got to scroll down?

00:19:35.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:35.660 What?

00:19:35.980 You changed the setup without telling me.

00:19:37.940 Anyway, so now we call this, I call this the cherry on the cake.

00:19:41.720 uh it's been revealed that villages near RAF Fairford were actually informed an attack was

00:19:47.340 imminent the day before the suspected bomb plot so why

00:19:54.000 so so if we're to believe that that is the truth that that is true why was the emergency phone line

00:20:04.440 not manned why was the local police line not manned well because somebody phoned the police

00:20:11.560 anyway so it was all all came out um in the wash didn't it so raf airford is like we actually

00:20:19.340 believe that there's going to be a terrorist plot in the next 24 hours and we're sufficiently

00:20:25.080 concerned that we're going to inform the local villages to watch out for a terrorist plot

00:20:28.780 yeah and then the guy who mans the phone line for the terrorist plot is about to happen

00:20:33.540 said oh i've got a bit of annual leave coming up can i take it tomorrow and they're like

00:20:38.200 yeah we don't see why we would need you at the moment no worries mate crack on bruv the the

00:20:43.760 only way to square this with this all being at least somewhat legit would be that the intelligence

00:20:51.400 services try and get people inside of terror cells who knew all of this was going to happen

00:20:57.760 maybe it was the guy who manned the phone line was the guy they put in perhaps the guy that

00:21:02.460 dobbed on himself that the farmer also dobbed on as well yeah but then this begs the question why

00:21:07.900 they let it get so far

00:21:08.960 in the first place

00:21:09.840 and why all of this

00:21:10.860 contradicting information

00:21:11.940 is coming out.

00:21:12.660 So anyway...

00:21:14.600 And where these

00:21:15.060 eight to ten people were,

00:21:16.240 were they involved?

00:21:17.660 Were they bystanders?

00:21:19.220 Are they on the run?

00:21:20.720 Were they handlers

00:21:22.740 of some form?

00:21:23.680 Well, who knows?

00:21:24.240 Because the police

00:21:24.760 aren't investigating them.

00:21:27.600 And also,

00:21:28.360 if they were legit

00:21:31.080 terrorists

00:21:33.120 who wanted to do an attack

00:21:35.560 and they just had

00:21:36.680 one insider

00:21:37.580 who dubbed them in

00:21:38.460 why do the rest of them

00:21:39.880 get out and bail as well

00:21:41.360 that's very strange

00:21:47.600 anyway there you go

00:21:48.660 RAF Fairford

00:21:49.840 wild

00:21:51.180 yeah

00:21:53.900 yeah

00:21:56.160 that is a bit odd

00:21:58.380 I will give you that

00:21:59.180 alright got a few

00:22:01.940 rumble rants from that

00:22:02.920 and let's say

00:22:03.920 we're not on YouTube anymore

00:22:05.140 and as such

00:22:07.180 i suppose we can be a little bit more candid with what we're thinking as we can see from your

00:22:10.820 replies to some of this yeah yeah i i yeah that's my take but i can't say it on youtube well let's

00:22:17.380 say we're not on youtube anymore so clearly a false flag attempt isn't it i mean let's view

00:22:21.880 it from the perspective of them looking to they've been trying to manufacture consent for

00:22:25.920 conscription for war for the industrial machine to get going i mean if you view it from the lens

00:22:31.940 of a botched false flag attempt it actually all makes sense but that would beg the question as

00:22:37.640 well farmer saw something she didn't she was so let's say they had done the false flag and they

00:22:44.040 blown up a plane i would not now be thinking oh i really want to die in the mountains of iran

00:22:49.080 no i know but you got to think from the mind of andy burnham it would be it would be a state

00:22:54.960 level thing but it begs the question in what way was it botched well she saw something she

00:23:01.920 wasn't supposed to but also was this where was this you know is this even if she saw something

00:23:08.200 that she wasn't supposed to you could make that go away you you could make that go away and people

00:23:12.520 would forget yeah i don't know and people would forget it is this disagreements between the us

00:23:18.880 and uk intelligence services the uk who potentially from my perspective want to talk a big game but

00:23:25.840 ultimately know that they don't actually can't do anything any of the resources needed to fight a

00:23:30.980 full-scale war at the moment i've got no idea i i just i just keep viewing it from that lens but

00:23:35.460 yeah the whole thing's weird um shall we read somebody's rumble right yes absolutely all right

00:23:39.580 so off chig door says a reality stranger than fiction no one would believe this script mate

00:23:44.340 i know bizarre right uh and again he says will the caller be arrested and not let out on bail

00:23:50.360 for wasting authorities time yeah probably to be fair uh that's a random name uh what if they're

00:23:57.540 wearing suicide butt plugs uh i was reliably informed that dad is an expert on the subject

00:24:02.060 yeah and i do i do want to address this point actually there's lots of lots of people in the

00:24:07.720 chat they lots of people in the chat they're saying what if they're wearing suicide pants

00:24:13.340 right and they don't do that they don't so when and a lot of them do this when they wear their

00:24:18.200 suicide vest they actually wear like something metal over their junk because they want to

00:24:23.360 preserve it to the next life no four do they actually four what do they get the virgin but 0.84

00:24:28.260 the 72 virgins do they actually yes they actually they actually protect their junk with like a metal

00:24:33.060 casing so that they can still use it on their 72 virgins but surely if their body like is reflected

00:24:39.040 in the afterlife then just the entire top half of their body is like surely they're just a walking

00:24:43.320 legs yeah but they don't think that far ahead they just think i'm gonna need that that's broken

00:24:47.960 internal logic of their own well you know my parents aren't cousins so i suppose i i can't

00:24:55.020 i can't imagine um last one from the hapsification says this looks to be an intelligence service

00:25:00.620 thing and they cocked up so a messy quick disinformation campaign had to be done by

00:25:04.840 disseminating nonsense to the media which has gone out of hand okay that does make more sense

00:25:09.520 actually yep okay yeah uh all right then we don't want to go all the way there um i am missing a i

00:25:17.820 i'm missing a link here if you could um it's just the first link there we go thank you all right so

00:25:24.560 we're gonna switch switch away from um potentially very unusual foiled terror plots now uh to some

00:25:34.600 look at the cultural landscape the pop cultural landscape take a nice broad overview of the games

00:25:41.120 industry and something that's been happening in it uh for the past few months and ask the question

00:25:45.820 of will india save the games industry this this might sound like a joke but potentially there

00:25:52.480 could be some truth to it so we all know that the games industry is a mess at the moment right

00:25:56.920 uh we have lots of microtransactions in games there's a live service pay-to-win style models

00:26:02.920 with lots of arena shooters i believe that they're dying down somewhat now but still a blight on the

00:26:08.020 industry none of them are good anymore oh well that's that's one of the that's one of the mario

00:26:12.600 still good yeah but a lot's not new no but there's new versions of it yes they do they

00:26:19.820 still keep pumping them out um yeah i mean have you got a switch too yeah i've got a switch too

00:26:25.040 yeah oh fair play is is there anything actually worth playing on it yet i would say so i've got

00:26:30.280 mario kart all right and then you can uh subscribe to like nintendo or whatever for like zero bucks

00:26:37.220 it's super cheap but you can just play all n64 gamecube games you can play all the old back

00:26:41.720 catalog oh okay i just do that that sounds like a decent play golden eye and everything so it's

00:26:47.440 great it's really really good but in terms of the main triple a space uh we have a lot of games that

00:26:52.380 play themselves that have hugely inflated budgets that don't make a return on them

00:26:56.980 we have woke games that are made to crap all over the gamers that actually play them

00:27:02.140 which are catered to the ephemeral ephemeral imaginary majestic modern audience whom i'm

00:27:10.300 still yet to meet there is one game that's coming out which actually defies everything you're going

00:27:16.260 to say in this segment all right then special mention hellraiser revival i played the demo

00:27:22.360 not heard it is an hour and a half to two hours and it's like perma band from youtube because

00:27:27.180 it's just gratuitous grotesque violence and sex and it's just it's it's wild i mean making a note

00:27:33.160 it is that's what that's what you'd be looking for it is wild so check it out and uh kind of

00:27:39.180 at the center of all of this is Sony who are guilty of many of these things particularly

00:27:44.920 movie game blockbusters and they recently earlier on this year made the incredibly unpopular

00:27:50.600 announcement that they are going to be rejecting discs from now on. New consoles that they develop

00:27:55.760 and new copies of the PlayStation 5 that they release will not be featuring disc drives. You'll

00:28:02.380 have to get it all digital which you know works for a lot of people when they're running off of

00:28:06.720 steam but steam is seen as a very consumer friendly company sony much less so people are afraid of a

00:28:12.320 lot of their games being taken out from under them or changed on the fly in ways that they

00:28:17.080 don't like it's also um it's also people the sort of um hereditary element of playstation has always

00:28:25.380 been the duality of being able to use the disk drive to play a game but also you used to be

00:28:30.620 able to play dvds i think you know there was blu-rays as well so it's weird that they don't

00:28:35.320 want to continue that because that is actually by the time my heart of what people liked the

00:28:39.580 platform for the duality of it all by the time i stopped playing my stopped using my playstation

00:28:45.000 4 regularly it was just a blu-ray player yes that's that's all it really was by that point

00:28:50.720 you know i'd i'd had a kid i couldn't sit on the sofa playing video games on the tv anymore so it's

00:28:56.120 just like okay when i get a chance pop a blu-ray in there or something this kind of um i don't know

00:29:01.700 if you want to say like profit-seeking behavior can be traced back a long while but one of the

00:29:08.840 figures that's been caught up in a lot of the AAA mess recently Hideo Kojima has experienced this

00:29:15.720 kind of behavior before back when he was vice president of Konami in digital entertainment

00:29:20.440 which are a subsidiary of the overall Konami umbrella who decided about 11 years ago tracing

00:29:27.940 back to 2010 that they wanted to completely change the structure of their organization

00:29:32.760 they have gone back a bit more to gaming recently with the recent Silent Hill games which I'm

00:29:37.540 not a particularly big fan of but you know Hideo Kojima was screwed over by a new company culture

00:29:43.660 that decided that they wanted to make more money from pachinko machines which obviously you can

00:29:48.500 farm people for money from rather machines that sounds very racist pachinko machines yes it's

00:29:54.580 the real name for them they're like japanese arcade slot gambling machines with a video game

00:30:00.720 interface attached to them so like silent hill got a pachinko machine so you could pay like you

00:30:08.240 could use your slot coin money to run away from pyramid head it is a very funny word i'm going to

00:30:14.460 use it in a sentence at some point you please do feel free you know you've got permission you've

00:30:19.600 got the card here you go and this this cultural change according to this old article uh changed

00:30:24.660 started in 2010 when konami's mobile game dragon collection became a big hit when konami discovered

00:30:30.260 that it could make a ton of cash with a mobile game that was far cheaper to develop than big

00:30:33.940 budget console and pc games it lost its taste for the latter and that seemed to be something of a

00:30:38.960 ominous vision of what was to come and sony have decided that they're going to also screw over

00:30:47.420 Hideo Kojima just like Konami did now Hideo Kojima somewhat of a contentious figure some

00:30:53.800 people don't like his games some people really like his games I'm a big fan of Hideo Kojima

00:30:58.580 yeah I know that OD game the horror game that's going to be coming out soon is going to be starring

00:31:03.200 Hunter Schaefer and co-written by Jordan Peele however I think casting Hunter Schaefer in the

00:31:10.900 monster role of a demon that's chasing you is actually kind of a genius move whether Kojima

00:31:16.100 realizes or realizes it or not i don't have an opinion on that i'm still kind of hung up on

00:31:22.280 pachinko of course that's absolutely fine uh you see the memes that came out about fizzint

00:31:27.440 do you see did you see the memes oh which ones well the place they sony canceled fizzint because

00:31:33.660 it was too close to physical uh they got scared no i didn't see that oh mate they're so funny

00:31:38.500 no but so funny so kojima's got his own production studio that he uses after he got let go from

00:31:44.360 konami called kojima productions and they developed the death stranding games one and two

00:31:50.980 big high budget art games developed under uh with help from playstation uh they apparently you know

00:31:59.120 it's up in the air people are unsure exactly how much money that they made but playstation

00:32:03.680 apparently saw them as being somewhat of a disappointment for sales expectations that

00:32:07.440 they were going for at the same time he's working with xbox to produce this new horror game od uh

00:32:13.780 and he also is working with PlayStation to produce what is going to be the spiritual successor to his

00:32:19.680 very famous Metal Gear Solid series, right? Which are huge blockbuster video games, legendary games,

00:32:26.460 sold millions and millions of copies. And you go, okay, whether or not Death Stranding 1 and 2 made

00:32:31.780 their money back, surely Hideo Kojima going like, I'll just do Metal Gear Solid again. That's going

00:32:37.340 to be the moneymaker, right? That's going to be PlayStation saying, we're going to put all of our

00:32:42.820 might behind that it's early days right now the game's probably going to be out 2030 to 2032 so

00:32:49.880 it's a while from now but it's going to be a big seller for us and god knows god knows that we need

00:32:55.760 one no no they decided they were just going to drop him and this article by jason schreier for

00:33:02.480 the for bloomberg has drawn a bit of controversy i'm aware that jason schreier is a contentious

00:33:08.100 figure and some people have accused him of lying so this is the take given here that they pulled

00:33:14.220 out because of Death Stranding 1 and 2 not performing as well as they hoped that they would

00:33:18.920 and they said he said that according to insiders who refuse to be named always always the kind of

00:33:26.620 reporting that I take the most seriously the new project had missed deadlines and was on track to

00:33:31.780 be well over budget despite being years away from release in addition PlayStation was reluctant to

00:33:37.560 invest hundreds of millions of dollars in another game that wouldn't remain permanently exclusive

00:33:41.560 to the company's own hardware because it wouldn't shift consoles because everybody knows playstation

00:33:46.200 5 is so flush with games that nobody that everybody just wants one and they need they

00:33:52.040 need as many games as possible on that system because actually there are there are no games

00:33:56.400 on what playstation 5 yeah i see i i mean i i checked out consoles a long time ago so

00:34:02.540 the last games console i had outside of the switch 2 which i don't really consider a games console

00:34:07.140 because it's just like

00:34:07.920 someone I mess about with

00:34:08.800 when I'm drunk

00:34:09.300 was the Xbox Elite.

00:34:12.820 Which one was that?

00:34:14.420 Literally the very first Xbox.

00:34:16.820 Really?

00:34:17.240 It was just the black version.

00:34:18.980 The Xbox Elite

00:34:19.640 was like 250 gigabytes

00:34:21.180 or something like that.

00:34:22.380 PC Master Race

00:34:23.380 through and through.

00:34:24.620 Yeah, I don't play

00:34:26.220 consoles anymore.

00:34:27.180 I've switched over

00:34:28.100 to Steam and PC gaming

00:34:29.260 and it's a lot better.

00:34:30.260 Yeah, I've heard

00:34:31.020 PlayStation's not...

00:34:32.620 Yeah, they're just

00:34:33.500 losing their base

00:34:34.200 which is a shame really.

00:34:35.280 You know, it is...

00:34:36.460 It's a legacy.

00:34:37.140 it's a legacy brand but ultimately as a gigantic corporation they're only worth what they're

00:34:42.440 offering the consumer base so yeah a hundred percent but also it's interesting isn't it like

00:34:46.180 how the games console market itself has diluted itself down to basically just three now you know

00:34:53.420 nintendo xbox and playstation playstation there used to be more and xbox releases all of its

00:34:59.940 exclusive games on pc as well now yeah so again you're like well why would i get an xbox yeah

00:35:05.160 especially because um you know a pc will i mean it depending on graphics cards it will be better

00:35:11.600 yeah well and cheaper but with that you know instead of cancelling the project like he had

00:35:16.140 to do with his silent hill game uh kojima just decided you know what we're already working with

00:35:20.460 xbox to do a horror game xbox do you want to do this with us and they would said yeah

00:35:25.720 so they've moved it over to xbox there's some more uh summary um you can find online uh from here

00:35:33.560 post concord playstation has had much more rigorous process with production milestones

00:35:37.580 and development assessment hence are much more privy to cancellations if targets aren't met

00:35:41.860 unlike previously where they may have let things run do you know the story of concord

00:35:47.020 yes um was it london oh okay no not the plains no concord was a 2024 game that had been developed

00:35:56.380 for years trying to bank off of the success of other arena style shooters like overwatch 0.98

00:36:01.300 character shooters is that the one with the weird fat trannies in it probably oh actually no i can't

00:36:04.900 i can't say that um editor can you please edit out the word tranny because twice because youtube

00:36:12.740 don't like it thank you yes i will make sure to note for them as well because i wouldn't like

00:36:17.900 this video to be demonetized thank you um concord was a video game developed um by sony it cost

00:36:23.100 400 million dollars it was going to be a live service online thing um it got cancelled after

00:36:28.680 two weeks of being up for sale because only 25 000 people bought it they also that was a 400

00:36:34.400 million dollar black hole they also wanted it to become like a multi-platform media thing like they

00:36:41.900 wanted to make you know media you know movies tv brand synergy man we need to blah blah blah blah

00:36:49.140 shut up nobody wants we just want good games that's all the people want all the people they

00:36:55.120 want good games that don't play themselves like wolverine and where half of the content that 0.71

00:36:59.820 you're experiencing is just a walking section disguised cut scene like the recent god of war

00:37:04.860 games for instance they also sank i think it was between 3.6 and 3.7 billion dollars into bungee

00:37:11.840 you know the guys who made the original halo games yeah i mean a bit a bit after my time the

00:37:17.960 halo games my little brother liked them but they they were then aren't you well oh yeah yeah well

00:37:23.200 for me to start gaming i had to wait for them to invent video games

00:37:26.360 before that i just had like c facts yeah you were on proper dialogue yeah you had to put up with

00:37:34.840 board games oh my goodness yes yes but they sunk three three point six or whatever billion dollars

00:37:41.820 into bungie who made the marathon which is not performing well so sony has gone failure after

00:37:47.620 failure after failure and then decided spiritual successor to metal gear solid nah that's not a

00:37:54.500 money maker was that mechs was it mechs it kind kind of mechs yeah yeah mechs are involved in it

00:38:00.200 mechs that fire nukes sounds like it'd be a short game well i mean you're there to try and stop them

00:38:07.280 from firing nukes right and then there's also a lot of extra stuff on top cyborg ninjas um a woman 1.00

00:38:15.040 who's infected with parasites that means she has to be in a bikini constantly because she... 1.00

00:38:20.400 I think a cyber ninja and some Japanese chick with herpes is not going to last long against 1.00

00:38:27.220 a mech. Well, you'd be surprised. You'd be very surprised. They're also shockingly prescient 1.00

00:38:35.040 on political and social matters. Go back and play Metal Gear Solid 2 and you'll understand

00:38:40.140 what I mean yes uh Kojima Productions themselves decided to respond to this by saying that uh

00:38:45.160 listen guys Shreya was just saying like oh I heard from a guy who heard from a guy we're still on

00:38:50.720 good terms with all of this but this might just be damage control but either way Kojima um went

00:38:57.580 and did an interview with the Washington Post where he clarified a few things and came across

00:39:02.420 as quite you know um quite a decent chap worrying about the state of his studio and the fact that

00:39:07.460 hey, if we get a load of contracts cancelled out from under us like this, we've specifically hired

00:39:12.800 people for the sake of making this game. I don't want to fire them. It's the staff. He says the

00:39:18.700 staff is the most important thing for me. And he also said that PlayStation themselves, clarifying

00:39:25.060 some of the information that's already out there, were the ones who worked directly with him to get

00:39:29.800 this project off the ground in the first place back in 2020. And it was with somebody else called

00:39:34.640 jim ryan who doesn't work at playstation anymore that the idea was um originally greenlit and now

00:39:41.260 there's been a different change of direction under what sony wants to do and so he just happens a lot

00:39:47.160 it's the same in the tv space as well like amazon went for a massive change with their head of tv

00:39:54.200 productions and yeah like a whole bunch of stuff that wasn't greenlit or was greenlit all just

00:39:58.620 shifts and get cancelled and yeah and he just gets and he just gets basically they get the

00:40:02.480 contract pulled out from under them in a zoom call now this elicited lots of different reactions

00:40:07.980 this whole situation on social media uh and there were shills on both sides uh but there was this

00:40:14.840 wrong way there was this sign of what i can only imagine was a coordinated anti-kojima social media

00:40:22.740 campaign where all of a sudden a lot of people tried to give him what i can only describe as the

00:40:27.120 George Lucas treatment where people try and blame him for trends that have followed on from things

00:40:33.160 that he did that have become terrible, whether or not he was actually doing them poorly in the

00:40:39.020 first place. We S on Western Devs for doing movie cook nonsense like this, but Kojima gets an eternal

00:40:43.960 pass because he made MGS3 22 years ago and has consistently made good games since. I would say

00:40:49.560 that he is the one guy who can get a pass on things like this. But I also saw people, again,

00:40:55.040 trying to George Lucas him trying to say oh well all of the achievements from his previous games

00:41:00.760 we can actually attribute to other people which people were countering and saying actually

00:41:05.680 you're misrepresenting the facts of what happened as well it seems to be a regular thing with sort

00:41:11.560 of anti-auteur campaigns where they say this one person who is kind of an author an artist within

00:41:19.540 his field actually everything good about everything that he did was other people and he just was there

00:41:25.020 just like i don't know taking the credit or something it's a very common thing these days

00:41:28.880 because i think people are kind of averse to recognizing that actually one person can be a

00:41:35.260 creative uh a creative driver behind lots of different really inventive and innovative things

00:41:42.040 i will say though those visuals they suck which ones those on the screen right now

00:41:48.120 no i mean it's the whole thing's in pre-production right now it just it just looks like a gq photo

00:41:53.940 shoot well i mean yeah it's like bill skarsgård and some other people he like he does like getting

00:41:59.540 his face uh his uh yeah his face scans in there ever since he started doing it with death stranding

00:42:05.000 and i think mgs5 as well uh but i don't really care that much because his games tend to be really

00:42:10.660 good i don't think i give him a pass on it yeah i don't when he scans people's faces in they

00:42:16.140 actually look like the people and they don't uglify them like with god of war the most recent

00:42:21.340 one that they've announced in that moment i don't think that that's going to have any bearing on the

00:42:24.880 quality of the game i just think that and the whole thing's in pre-production right now so it's

00:42:28.840 just like what milestones were there to hit he's the entire studio is making another game right now

00:42:35.640 yeah he's basically still in concept getting the story down and what the gameplay might end up

00:42:40.820 looking like so playstation just passed them out because well sorry we we lost billions of dollars 0.73

00:42:46.800 and sank 400 million dollars into uh stupid investments um and so you're gonna have to 0.97

00:42:53.540 you're gonna have to be um the sacrificial lamb for it because if there's one thing that we at 0.99

00:42:59.720 sony can't do is get rid of insomniac who just make us terrible movie games people also decided

00:43:05.120 to criticize him using what i can only describe as corpo npc logic of saying don't you understand

00:43:13.420 he routinely lies to investors which people were kind of like saying good i'm just noticing that

00:43:22.200 the sensor was turned up which sensor is turned up our sensor he's turned he's turned up he's

00:43:28.300 looking i think i think samson's told him that i did a naughty right all right he's gone now it's

00:43:34.500 okay i think i i think what you find is that most people who who want to be able to like

00:43:39.140 enjoy artistic projects aren't going to care all that much if you're lying to investors they just

00:43:45.620 want a good product at the end of it and if you're siphoning off their money so that instead of making

00:43:51.880 the wolverine again you get a good game out of it they'll shrug their shoulders and go okay

00:43:56.560 and uh here's just some of the industry context as well i mean the the point about lying to

00:44:01.540 investors at the end of the day if the ends also i don't even know if that's true well no but i

00:44:06.140 mean let's play devil's advocate let's say it is true with the ends do justify the means in this

00:44:11.280 regard like it's very it's quite rare for him to make a uh you know a video game that is a flop

00:44:16.800 that is not a financial success so surely as an investor you just be like yeah no worries i guess

00:44:21.880 because you're going to get your money back yeah but either way this ties into the restructuring

00:44:27.160 that's going on in xbox at the moment which um is the result of asha sharma uh the indian heritage

00:44:34.900 huge ceo who joined the company back in february as the ceo who seems to have taken a look at the

00:44:42.020 games landscape and said actually um this isn't very good and seems to be one of the few cases

00:44:47.920 as it stands right now we'll see how it goes in the future where an indian ceo coming in firing

00:44:55.500 a load of staff and saying this is how we're going to run the business now might work out

00:45:00.920 we'll see how it goes it's kind of getting to the stage where like i don't know if you're

00:45:06.820 allowed to be a ceo of a big company these days if you're not indian yeah so at least one or two

00:45:11.680 of them has to actually be okay at it right i suppose that makes maybe maybe i'm just saying 0.61

00:45:17.540 the law of evidence for that well i mean we'll see what happens with this one but uh you know

00:45:22.620 she came she comes in uh she uh changes the way that the business is structured she points out

00:45:29.580 that actually Xbox has been crap for ages and we need to fix the company. We're wasting loads of

00:45:36.100 money on projects that are going nowhere. We're starting to engage in AI slopification of our own

00:45:42.940 work. And what she did, she announced what she called would be the most significant restructure

00:45:48.700 in Xbox history. She cut 3,200 jobs during the fiscal year, 1,600 of them immediately.

00:45:55.380 it uh compulsion games and double fine which is a studio i've not heard about in a long while

00:45:59.960 was set to become independent ninja theory and undead labs moved to new owners

00:46:04.340 arcane and entered consultation over a possible sale all of these being game studios which were

00:46:11.900 not producing games that were up to snuff really in her email to staff she said that xbox was

00:46:17.580 running at margins three to ten times lower than comparable platform and publishing businesses

00:46:21.720 she got the kojima business ongoing she has decided that obsidian instead of making really

00:46:28.020 shit outer world sequels are going to have to go back to making games that people actually like

00:46:32.620 that being fallout and they've forced them to merge with bethesda as a result of that good

00:46:39.220 uh so those games were good so so the early fallouts and the and the elder scrolls they

00:46:47.920 were really good and then they did this this thing on stage like a few years ago it's like we were

00:46:52.880 making new game it's like oh good it's been like 15 years since i've had a good game somebody's

00:46:57.540 going to make a good game and they brought it out and it was this space bollocks oh what the

00:47:02.340 outer world yeah or something like that yeah i remember being kind of excited because it was

00:47:06.080 being presented as obsidian are going back to making fallout rpg games again it's just not

00:47:12.040 fallout but it's basically the same thing i got it i played about 10 minutes and i i wanted to

00:47:18.160 kill myself i didn't kill myself but i wanted to extreme uh and so i never touched it again so i

00:47:24.680 know how to fix these studios because if you go back to like when games were good like the people

00:47:29.100 who made like sim city and doom and stuff like that the the early games right if you get a photo

00:47:34.980 of the team that made it it's it's a bloke yeah it's a bloke of young men who look a bit odd but

00:47:40.640 in that sort of way 0.70

00:47:42.020 autistic

00:47:42.440 yeah that says

00:47:43.780 that they can do stuff

00:47:44.900 so what you do right

00:47:46.120 is you get all of the

00:47:47.060 when games used to be good

00:47:48.340 you get all of the team photos

00:47:49.800 and you scan them into AI

00:47:52.340 yeah

00:47:53.080 and you

00:47:53.580 compare that with CV

00:47:54.960 and I know what it is

00:47:56.340 there was a look

00:47:57.180 a look that these guys have

00:47:59.200 a bit dysgenic

00:47:59.920 yeah

00:48:00.180 and then what you do

00:48:01.220 is you walk around

00:48:02.200 you just walk around high streets

00:48:03.840 with a camera

00:48:05.000 hooked to the AI

00:48:06.700 and or goggles or something

00:48:08.760 and just every so often

00:48:09.680 it will put like a an alert around somebody yeah nerd seeking goggle yes that and it'd be like

00:48:15.840 that guy that guy go and get him and you go and you go and get him and you say would you like to

00:48:20.820 make a video game and you just keep doing that until you've got studios full of these like nerdy 0.97

00:48:25.340 dude type people and then you'll have great games again honestly i think that that is what the indian

00:48:32.020 latrina should be saying well uh fingers crossed she's also decided that halo studios formerly

00:48:37.700 343 who people hate their halo games um is uh has just been it's basically just been gutted

00:48:46.260 it's been completely gutted and halo has been handed to activism who are going to be making

00:48:52.540 halo games from now on the call of duty guys are going to be making halo games some people may

00:48:57.040 see that as a bad fit but again we'll just we'll see how it ends up working out although one of 0.77

00:49:02.360 the more entertaining things i learned about this is that reportedly you can take the indian out of

00:49:07.260 the customer service department you can't take the customer service department out of the indian

00:49:12.520 though she has been personally responding to xbox customer support tickets supposedly to learn

00:49:18.700 about the wants and desires of the industry that she has found herself in i like to think though

00:49:24.640 does she issue them a refund followed by do not redeem now maybe maybe i like to think that this

00:49:29.000 is pure love of the game right here this this is just like ancestral blood memory uh activating but

00:49:35.440 you know that's an update on the gaming industry right now i don't think sony are going to come

00:49:40.200 out of this doing very well they've made so many bad investments and then the one good investment

00:49:45.520 they could have relied on to lead them into 20 into the 2030s they decided to drop because of

00:49:50.780 all of the other poor investments that they had xbox seems to be actually trying to restructure

00:49:55.220 themselves so they can remain competitive in the market and go back to producing good games so we'll

00:50:01.180 see what ends up happening nerd goggles nerd goggles is definitely that can be your um that

00:50:07.140 can be your usp that can be your product you can you can shop it around maybe yes go on

00:50:14.100 dragon's den or something yeah uh random name it's not even microtransactions anymore it's

00:50:19.540 macro transactions league of legends sell fight 500 us dollar skins oh i thought i thought he'd

00:50:25.720 donate i thought that's a random name and done a whole month's worth in one comment and given us

00:50:29.740 500 no no uh who's buying those i assume kids who've still stolen their parents credit cards

00:50:36.820 unbelievable the slippery slope fallacy is not a fallacy it started with digital copies being

00:50:41.420 copies being cheaper than discs the digital only for the same prices as discs now you can buy a

00:50:46.420 pricier ps5 that can have this i still don't understand why digital copies of games are the

00:50:52.200 same prices when you have to include packaging and and transport and everything to the shops as

00:50:57.160 well i it i yeah other than other than just profit tom rat harry i keep saying gravekeeper

00:51:03.020 one and two is where it's at i'll make a note of that if you never played dungeon keeper you want

00:51:08.160 to play that as well i'll take a look at that people one and two was so good random name i

00:51:13.300 asked nate this already on t-sop but what kinds of games do you guys play a strategy game and

00:51:19.280 would like to send you all some free copies next year samson is already on the list well you can

00:51:23.780 go first nate that are you very play games mate all right then uh really don't no no that's that's

00:51:31.200 fair i am playing that hellraiser game but that's because i'm a hellraiser fan so yeah i am currently

00:51:37.700 i'm going through the resident evil series i just completed resident evil remake uh in the jill

00:51:42.920 campaign and i've moved over to chris's campaign having a great time with it uh so far although

00:51:48.020 going from eight to six inventory slots is not great after that i'll do resident evil four and

00:51:52.420 Resident Evil 7, and probably at the end of the month do a retrospective with Samson for Journey

00:51:57.160 to the East on the Resident Evil series. Then I'm moving on to a gigantic Kojima retrospective.

00:52:02.180 Merrick Mill, we need to realize Indian firms own Britain's biggest steelworks at Port Talbot,

00:52:06.780 our biggest carmaker, JLR, and our largest refinery, Stanlow Tata, are building Europe's

00:52:12.800 biggest battery plant in Somerset. Yeah, as a larger trend, I am not a fan of Indians owning 1.00

00:52:20.400 everything of owning all of these massive corporations i was saying in this specific 1.00

00:52:25.500 instance with xbox maybe she might make some good moves we'll see how it all works out

00:52:30.160 you should definitely check out the demo for hellraiser well that seems to be a game that

00:52:35.660 you're playing at the moment or at least i did say i said i'm playing hellraiser yeah

00:52:38.640 no i got sent an advanced copy oh fair play all right so i've got some unfortunate news chaps

00:52:43.500 it's about women oh we're just going straight into a segment yeah yeah well that's what we do

00:52:49.360 we do segments here

00:52:52.220 it is our stock and trade

00:52:53.340 alright steady on

00:52:54.780 calm down lads

00:52:56.960 walking into the dairy

00:52:58.940 why are you milking a cow 1.00

00:53:00.380 tell us about women 1.00

00:53:01.700 I'm just going to drop that in there 0.57

00:53:06.540 as if people didn't know

00:53:08.540 in what way

00:53:08.940 in all of the ways to be honest

00:53:11.860 in what way

00:53:13.960 yes

00:53:14.500 so what does the bloody mouse 0.88

00:53:18.160 here we go 0.89

00:53:19.000 Right.

00:53:19.440 So, I mean, I found this.

00:53:24.380 Oh, God. 1.00

00:53:25.400 How do you turn off the damn music? 1.00

00:53:27.120 Right, there we go. 1.00

00:53:29.260 So, here we go.

00:53:30.260 Tiny, tiny girl is basically saying, you know,

00:53:34.360 here's how I respond to people who are saying

00:53:36.220 I'm too small to be in the Marines.

00:53:38.600 She's going to, there we go.

00:53:39.820 Jacket's coming off. 0.94

00:53:40.900 She's stripping.

00:53:41.800 What is she doing? 1.00

00:53:42.480 Perky little lovely. 1.00

00:53:43.320 And there she go. 1.00

00:53:43.860 Look, look, she's taking him out. 0.97

00:53:45.860 She's got him in a headlock. 1.00

00:53:47.120 literally nothing a guy twice the size can do but i mean roll over and smash her into the floor

00:53:53.960 there's no end to that video though so i mean what happened after the end of also if you slow

00:53:59.440 it down you notice when when she's trying to get on his back he actually helps her he like lifts

00:54:03.880 her up a bit oh does he yeah what let's yeah let's see in slow motion uh in slow motion before that

00:54:11.180 there you go see he kind of helps her yeah that's ridiculous and also he could just roll over and 0.61

00:54:18.260 smash her into the floor or he could just stand over and fall straight onto his back but that's

00:54:22.200 what i mean yeah but you know corporal perky here generally believes that brilliant she had him

00:54:27.080 she had him um and and and actually what i mainly wanted to talk about was standard delusion this

00:54:33.640 is the mid delusion oh so you're like you're like this one this i've seen this this scene is a good

00:54:39.220 one isn't it this is some top top level mid delusion um really is i won't spoil it just

00:54:46.460 enjoy by the way if you are listening imagine imagine a 5.2 that is now 39 or something

00:54:56.240 right yeah she lives like early 40s you have faith in men and this is probably the hard part

00:55:01.120 i'm ready for my match not for a man i'm not 25 and i just want a boyfriend i've had plenty of men

00:55:07.100 want to commit to me. And again, the wave is like, you're not my guy. And I know so many women

00:55:11.960 that wanted a baby and a man came across their path that wanted to offer them the financial

00:55:17.140 security and the baby and the marriage. And he wasn't their match, but she was willing to

00:55:21.440 sacrifice their match for the man, for a family, for financial security. I'm not prepared to do

00:55:25.920 that. I've had many men and male friends and men that I've dated. And people have told me like,

00:55:30.740 don't miss the opportunities that are sitting right in front of you because you, Rebecca,

00:55:34.260 I have this fantasy of what your man is but I don't think I have a fantasy I have a feeling and

00:55:38.320 when the man standing in front of me doesn't make me feel that way for him I can't commit to him and

00:55:42.200 I think that's a very brave thing for a woman especially mid-30s late 30s ready for partnership

00:55:48.120 ready to have a baby in the next three to four years when a man is like almost but not quite him

00:55:53.440 wants to give you the world and internally you wish that you could love him or I wish that I

00:55:57.900 could but I just know in my soul that it's not him I think that's a radical act of bravery and

00:56:02.600 courage to say no, because I trust that something greater is coming. Is it? Well, that's for young

00:56:09.880 men to hear something like that, or even maybe men in their thirties who might be more ideally suited

00:56:16.660 to go with a woman like this. That's a very demoralizing thing to hear that potentially a

00:56:22.400 woman that you're with, even if she says that she, even if you have kids with her, if this woman is

00:56:28.140 to be taken at face value she is still comparing you to a fantasy man that she read about in some

00:56:33.620 slash fiction when she was 17 she's never actually met this perfect man presumably he's eight foot

00:56:40.240 tall and has bullhorns something like that and and at this point i mean she she describes herself as

00:56:45.960 being in her 30s which is woman speak for 39 uh i don't know when she thinks this i don't know where

00:56:53.740 she got these particular standards from is this just something that came naturally to her is this

00:56:58.080 something that's been fed to her by whatever daytime tv or social media well i i i do i do

00:57:05.520 have some theories of how we kind of arrived at this point i'm gonna i'm gonna rate for things

00:57:09.280 i will just point out of course she does have geminital herpes oh there is that there is that

00:57:14.740 i just thought i'd throw that in not that not that i would necessarily say it's directly relevant to

00:57:19.340 her argument i'm just i'm just i just thought i'd mention it because is there a consideration

00:57:24.140 about the standards of men

00:57:26.460 that she might want to meet in that case?

00:57:30.740 Presumably, she wouldn't be looking for men 0.84

00:57:32.100 who also have genital herpes.

00:57:33.420 No, no, in terms of as a man, 0.56

00:57:35.540 what standards you hold in the kind of women

00:57:37.240 that you're looking for. 1.00

00:57:38.020 Oh, I don't, yeah.

00:57:38.540 And whether she might meet them or not.

00:57:39.840 No, no, no.

00:57:40.260 I think it's fairly clear

00:57:42.220 that she's not taking into account

00:57:43.880 men's considerations in any of this.

00:57:47.460 I just think that's so...

00:57:48.500 She's thinking, I want to marry

00:57:50.480 like that dude who played Thor.

00:57:52.740 she's not thinking would that dude who played for actually want to marry me well i just i just think

00:57:57.140 this is a horrible blackpilling thing to be spreading on her part that like yes oh yeah

00:58:01.620 all of my friends have settled down they've married they've got kids but if their imaginary

00:58:06.520 fantasy man that they carry with them and compare their husbands to at all time were to magically

00:58:11.180 pop into their life what would they do just abandon their family um possibly now i also

00:58:18.360 wanting to talk about narco scenes this is a this is a tiny diversion here it is a tiny diversion

00:58:23.340 have you have you seen this no so this this is a fantastic series so this is a korean um like

00:58:30.740 drug story about this guy who got involved in cocaine smuggling or something and it's based

00:58:36.240 on a real story and therefore it's properly mental like in a made-up story that has to connect to

00:58:42.720 that logically as you go through the story because this is based on real life it's all over the place

00:58:47.500 it's mental it's a great watch the reason i mention it are you getting paid for this no

00:58:52.440 no i'm not the reason i mention it is because in like in the first five minutes they're doing the

00:58:57.060 setup on his life before he becomes a drug smuggler and this is a dude in like south

00:59:01.660 korea in the early 90s oh he got broken up with by an insane feminist didn't he okay no no no it's

00:59:07.680 early 90s so it's a completely different world back then so basically he i think it's something

00:59:11.820 like his grandmother dies and he gets a house and he's like okay i've got a house and i'm a man

00:59:17.200 i need a wife so he has a think and he's like oh there was that one girl at school i never talked

00:59:22.940 to her but i think she's single so anyway he rings her up and says hi i need a wife are you up for

00:59:29.800 it and she's like yeah all right then anyway so like two days later she turns up with a couple

00:59:35.080 of suitcases and just becomes his wife right different world some guys just have the riz

00:59:41.900 but the thing is

00:59:43.180 he's like not all that

00:59:45.020 have you never tried it

00:59:45.860 well I've never tried that

00:59:47.720 I mean maybe

00:59:48.840 you never know

00:59:49.900 I mean I'm sure

00:59:50.940 your current wife

00:59:51.680 wouldn't be a big fan

00:59:52.600 of the idea

00:59:53.340 but it's worth the go right

00:59:55.260 the point I'm getting at right

00:59:56.520 boy what point

00:59:58.920 are you getting at

00:59:59.480 the point is

01:00:00.000 it used to be

01:00:00.900 a lot different

01:00:01.940 to I mean going from

01:00:03.860 I'm holding out

01:00:05.000 forever

01:00:05.720 right

01:00:06.320 to you know

01:00:07.400 boy has rung me 0.83

01:00:08.860 he want wife

01:00:09.760 I go be wife 0.70

01:00:10.900 you know

01:00:11.500 it's it's just it's just a slightly different world anyway do that again can you can you do

01:00:16.920 the rest of the segment in that act then so anyway um that's a no then oh okay i've passed

01:00:26.580 forward no i can't i can't i think it's more the consistency than anything i can't do japanese fast

01:00:33.080 i have to do it slow because japanese sounds like you're having something either put in or

01:00:37.840 taken out of your bottom at all times it's like either oh war isn't it it's like so so are you 0.99

01:00:44.440 familiar with that no so anyway right we're getting sidetracked by your bloody butt plug again right 0.99

01:00:54.380 here we go so japan oh sorry i've what have i done i'm always doing something with it i think 0.98

01:00:59.580 this is like click off oh no well anyway the headline used to say before i screwed it i'm

01:01:05.820 going to move it around japan is paying single people 125 dollars to actually use dating apps 0.85

01:01:11.980 okay uh so because basically the the asians they're just going away yeah i mean we're all 0.99

01:01:19.260 going away but the asians have got it particularly bad and singapore that's the kind this is actually 1.00

01:01:24.200 the main thing i wanted to talk about singapore right so they're like um okay what we're going 0.98

01:01:29.800 to do is we're going to launch a government dating app and you go on this and you get given a match

01:01:37.200 right and it's different to normal so normal you get given a match yes oh so so a normal

01:01:43.940 government mandated match but it's not it's not mandated yet right but it is singapore though

01:01:50.140 yeah i mean that's it's getting a bit close and it's at the moment it's it's kind of strongly

01:01:56.740 encouraged for government workers right it's not like mandatory you don't have to do it yeah but

01:02:03.360 it's like please do it strong suggestion you should be honest like there's like big like

01:02:08.060 there's 1984 style pictures of lee kwan yun on all of the walls saying saying what is it marry and

01:02:14.960 reproduce pointing at you so yeah it's like that's a nice government job you got would you like to

01:02:24.280 use this app that kind of thing and and no it is different because apparently on on the standard

01:02:29.800 apps what you do is you do the swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe and if if you're um if you're if you're

01:02:36.260 man you just swipe yes to everything and then you get rejected by everyone and then if you're a

01:02:40.940 woman you swipe no to everything apart from one guy who is clearly out of your league but he might 0.63

01:02:47.620 give you a bunk up one time and then piss off and you'll never see him again but that will make you

01:02:52.020 convinced that you're stacked that you're an 8.5 because he was or something well i mean one of the 0.96

01:02:57.080 other horrible things about that is women will allow themselves to be used and abused by these 0.78

01:03:01.920 kinds of men and then allow it to just color their their whole view of all men is one of the reasons 0.99

01:03:08.840 that i think all all men are pigs well no it's because all of the men you've let shag you have 0.99

01:03:14.480 been pigs because they've just been doing it because because what possible motivation would 1.00

01:03:18.360 they have for not being a pig when you silly hoes are just throwing yourself at him i mean you just 0.99

01:03:22.780 if he can get away with it he's going to do it isn't he so um yeah so anyway so so this app and 0.98

01:03:27.960 yeah and the answer to your question so it's not like the the swipey swipey thing right it's actually

01:03:32.880 working on some quite clever mathematics so the mathematics involved and and it's it's called gale

01:03:39.360 the gale shapely matching something right formula or equation or algorithm whatever it was anyway

01:03:45.680 these dudes they won the nobel prize for this for this for this sorting mechanism okay interesting

01:03:51.620 and it's it's basically a way to make sure that everybody gets the best available matchup that

01:03:58.020 those two could respectively get so it's it's something like so so the if you're doing it

01:04:03.480 properly and i'll explain why i don't think they're doing it the the absolute hardcore way

01:04:07.940 but the the absolute sort of the nobel prize winning method for this is right so one side

01:04:13.140 makes an offer to its first choice so whoever you're so let's say you know you're you're nate

01:04:19.000 which you are and you've got all the women right i mean he's right yes yeah i just and you're like

01:04:26.240 i like that one the most so you make an offer to that one right and then she's like yes or no

01:04:31.800 i mean no offense but it's going to be no isn't it for the like top woman in the world right i'm 1.00

01:04:37.280 just i'm just saying right ladies this is why we need the wide angle yeah she's this tall and she's 1.00

01:04:50.700 i think you've been saved by the lack of wide angle 1.00

01:04:54.700 well anyway oh boy the editors are going to have a fun one with this yes

01:04:59.860 they always double man the censorship desk whenever i'm on so anyway so she says no and

01:05:05.420 then you and then you make your second choice and and you keep getting no's until you get to one

01:05:10.840 that says yes right and then they hold it provisionally unless they see an offer they

01:05:16.400 get later that they like better and and what this mathematical formula basically does is it proves

01:05:22.100 but there is no better viable you match everybody in the whole series and at the end of it there's

01:05:28.300 nobody with a with a match the a viable match that they would prefer better now it's not to

01:05:34.980 say that one of the halves doesn't think okay well i like that one better right it because the 0.99

01:05:42.060 other one also has to agree so the women can still be like yeah i'm holding out for brad pitt but

01:05:46.720 brad pitt gets a vote and he's going to say no yeah and so you keep going down the list and and

01:05:51.920 it does actually work out that you get the best possible match that you get danny devito well

01:05:56.840 yeah if you're repugnant that that girl that we saw at the beginning she she might get danny devito 0.68

01:06:02.780 if you're a bit cuter, a bit more premier, as we say. 0.98

01:06:09.900 Interesting.

01:06:11.200 Yeah, and so everybody sort of ends up ultimately getting a match.

01:06:14.620 So what I think they're doing with this Singapore match thing

01:06:17.580 is they're not actually going to go through the whole country

01:06:20.620 doing it one by one, like the proper mathematical.

01:06:24.600 What they're going to do is they're going to have an AI simulate

01:06:28.440 what they think the expected outcomes will be,

01:06:31.740 and then you get given a match

01:06:33.860 and it will say something like,

01:06:35.100 this person is a 78% match with you.

01:06:37.620 And what that means is that if you reject it,

01:06:41.060 you've only got a 22% chance

01:06:42.640 of getting somebody better than the first offer.

01:06:45.020 Oh, okay. Interesting.

01:06:46.780 Which makes a bit more sense, right?

01:06:48.180 And the way it works, right,

01:06:49.960 is you get given a match

01:06:52.500 that is worked out for you

01:06:54.000 and then you've got three days

01:06:56.640 before you can get another match.

01:06:58.520 so you can't do that whole swiping thing where you're just barreling through it and then you

01:07:04.000 just get right you reject it get one rejection at a time for years or years or unless you're a

01:07:08.380 woman in which case you get like some random bunk up and then you never get called again all that

01:07:11.340 kind of stuff you get one match and you have to you have to sit with it and it's like well i'm

01:07:16.240 gonna have to wait three days i might as well go on a bloody date because yeah it would be like

01:07:21.140 thursday before before i get something better well actually i mean not literally because i think i

01:07:27.000 i think we're wednesday or something forget that anyway the point i was just picking a random date

01:07:31.640 that might be in the future so so uh oh and also uh that they will cover the cost of the date

01:07:39.140 oh all right okay because singapore is absolutely desperate for people to start 0.99

01:07:44.780 having kids getting at it because they're not especially the asians they've just they just

01:07:50.320 seem to have forgotten oh i mean a worry for a lot of younger people is that you're going to go 0.99

01:07:55.780 on first date it's not going to go anywhere but you're going to have to spend a stupid amount of

01:08:00.340 money because you're trying to have a nice date anyway so that that actually takes some of the

01:08:04.840 worry out of it yes so i mean it's not it's not exactly the meme yet of of a state mandated

01:08:11.860 girlfriend but it is and it is getting to that point you see what i'm saying yeah quite yeah

01:08:18.300 yeah now i think it's a good idea then saying that they'll pay for the date there i think that's

01:08:23.240 yeah but it might be i mean it's singapore it takes a lot of the risk out of it though doesn't

01:08:26.360 it right like it might be a bowl of rice yeah it doesn't matter it's still it's a risk it's an

01:08:30.920 actor that guys have to consider yeah i mean what else are you going to do for those three days i

01:08:34.260 mean you can't well i suppose you could play video game and that's that's probably the main

01:08:36.880 problem is they might just say sod it i'm going to play video games tragically i'm still not

01:08:40.840 still not a big fan of any sort of like um gamified social media like dating app sort of

01:08:48.540 thing because it's all so impersonal and harsh and is judging us by only the most superficial

01:08:53.640 qualities. But this is all downstream from the fact that, yeah, we don't have Singapore as a

01:08:59.500 prime example of it. We don't have like as many opportunities these days to have like proper

01:09:05.220 communal relations with other people where you naturally and organically meet somebody that you

01:09:09.720 like. I suppose it's better than it just being like the really harsh and brutal. I mean, being

01:09:16.640 Being a Gen Xer, I still can't understand why you don't just go to the pub like we used

01:09:23.240 to.

01:09:24.240 Just go to a pub, or a nightclub, or even if you just see one walking down the street

01:09:28.160 that you like, just go and ask for the number.

01:09:30.240 It still happens.

01:09:31.240 When I go to the pub with my friends, some of whom are single, you can see them, you

01:09:35.740 know, they go out and talk to people and sometimes it works out, it can still happen, but they're

01:09:40.820 also playing the dating app game at the same time, which is brutal for both, because the

01:09:45.520 men just face endless rejection and the women then yeah they get their standards completely

01:09:50.560 messed up and their view on men completely messed up because they'll go for chad chad will go yeah

01:09:55.720 one night with you sure absolutely and then have nothing else to do with it and then it'll just

01:10:01.040 yeah from there it's it's horrible i mean what happened what's good if you get the chance it's

01:10:06.320 difficult these days if you have friends if you if you're young and you still have like a friend

01:10:11.760 group where there are men and women things can naturally pair off although that i don't know

01:10:17.360 how regular that is for people of the younger generations these days but by as your example

01:10:22.020 i've got a mate like that if you ask him about tinder he'll say yeah i completed it he's a very

01:10:26.320 good looking chap and he basically just had he went on these apps and had one woman turn up every

01:10:31.600 night for like two years and then all of a sudden he just decided i want to settle down now so

01:10:37.320 literally the next scale that came through the door he was like yeah i want to stick with you

01:10:41.100 and he's like married to kids now.

01:10:42.860 Oh, so she like won the roulette table.

01:10:45.040 Yeah, but it was purely by random chance

01:10:47.620 because she just happened to be the one

01:10:49.120 that was turning up when he was like,

01:10:50.600 yeah, I've had enough of this.

01:10:51.420 I want to have kids and stuff.

01:10:54.260 Yeah, but I mean, this is an existential crisis 1.00

01:10:56.800 for all the Asians. 1.00

01:10:59.300 I mean, it's an existential crisis for all of it. 1.00

01:11:01.120 Well, unless you're in Nigeria

01:11:01.900 where you've got a birth rate of 5.3 or whatever it is.

01:11:05.540 It's on the decline though, I think. 1.00

01:11:07.060 The Asians have got it bad. 1.00

01:11:08.740 And here we go. 0.99

01:11:09.220 So, yeah, the declining total fertility rate

01:11:11.740 means our citizen population growth has slowed.

01:11:14.300 This is an existential challenge for us.

01:11:16.920 And it was 0.87 in 2025.

01:11:20.560 Wow.

01:11:21.260 Yes.

01:11:22.060 Oh, okay.

01:11:23.600 And that's across all ethnic groups as well?

01:11:27.400 In Singapore, yeah.

01:11:29.200 Yeah.

01:11:29.620 Yeah.

01:11:30.400 Well, actually, no, Singapore as a whole

01:11:33.200 is maintaining its population level

01:11:35.600 despite the low birth rate, 1.00

01:11:37.880 and they're doing it with immigration there you go yes of course which is the which is the shit 0.98

01:11:43.820 way of doing it because you know then then things start burning down and all the rest of it but do 0.92

01:11:50.320 you know how bad a total fertility rate of 0.87 actually is no tell me i've got a graphic i've

01:11:59.300 done a graphic people were speculating in the chat i was going to do a pie chart now i've got a

01:12:03.260 graphic there we go right so you start off with your your first generation and there's a hundred

01:12:10.160 of you i'm not literally a hundred people in singapore i'm saying just start with a unit size

01:12:15.580 of 100 yeah one generation later at 8.7 0.87 you go down to 41 you then go down to 17 the generation

01:12:24.380 after and then the generation after that seven so you lose 93 of your population three generations

01:12:31.720 later with a birth rate of 0.7 so right when you hear these numbers it is i mean it is genuinely

01:12:40.720 genuinely genuinely existential yeah it is what they say it is yeah yeah looks peaceful though

01:12:45.900 well you're just like imagine peace and quiet yeah i mean no i mean have kids everyone should

01:12:54.940 have kids you owe it to your ancestors to have kids yes it does still look peaceful but i mean

01:13:00.220 i mean we are we are going to watch basically civilized countries just just disappear entirely

01:13:07.480 the only difference is of course it wouldn't actually look like that it would be like there's 0.99

01:13:11.740 100 there and that's made up to 100 by having africans brought in and that 17 is made up to

01:13:17.800 100 by having africans in so it won't actually be peaceful you don't even get that you just get 0.98

01:13:23.760 you just 1.00

01:13:25.040 infinity 0.74

01:13:25.700 bloody disappear

01:13:26.620 yeah

01:13:27.260 I mean it is

01:13:27.860 it is genuinely

01:13:28.960 really bad

01:13:29.820 and one of you

01:13:31.120 asked about the reason

01:13:32.240 for this happening

01:13:32.940 and it's probably

01:13:34.560 a whole load of complex

01:13:35.860 socio

01:13:36.660 economic

01:13:37.460 blah blah blah blah

01:13:38.260 anyway

01:13:38.680 the one that I would point out

01:13:40.900 is I did a really good

01:13:41.940 Brokonomics

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01:14:02.920 we're sensible so anyway i did this interview with um uh dr danny sulikowalski and and she was

01:14:10.840 and her theory and it's the best one i've heard so far in fact there we go there's a there's a

01:14:16.060 twitter and i think the pin post is yeah here we go yeah so her theory because she's like what 0.92

01:14:23.080 whatever it is an evolutionary psychologist or something like that is women are optimized for

01:14:29.660 well like all of us we're optimized for our hunter-gatherer phase and if you if you're in

01:14:34.920 a little tribe and we used to have humans and little tribes of like 20 to 100 people something

01:14:39.540 like that and the optimal strategy for every woman was to have lots of children herself 0.99

01:14:46.340 but convince all the other women not to have children because that meant that the resources 1.00

01:14:52.120 went to her kids and her genes got passed on but the other ones didn't and and i think she expresses

01:14:59.000 it here somewhere which is that women are highly susceptible to social pressures and and all the 0.60

01:15:04.660 rest of it societal pressures women uh leverage other women's vulnerability to social contagions

01:15:10.200 to spread reproductively inhibiting ideologies yes that's what she says there so her thing is that 1.00

01:15:16.120 if you understand feminism properly what it actually is feminism is a is a feminist technology 1.00

01:15:22.860 is a female um uh reproduction strategy to convince so the the ideal feminist is one who 1.00

01:15:30.680 has lots of kids herself but convinces everybody else to work in an office their entire 20s and 1.00

01:15:35.740 early 30s by david newsome's wife style yes yeah yeah yeah actually that is a perfect example 1.00

01:15:40.960 she has lots of kids but she pushes feminism on all the other young women now of course women 1.00

01:15:45.980 don't know that they're doing this they're running an autopilot but this is hard baked in 1.00

01:15:50.200 hunter-gatherer behavior which is to try and stop other women from having children

01:15:55.160 via the vector of social media and becomes a widespread phenomenon rather than a localized

01:16:00.960 phenomenon yes and civilizational and and basically this is this is escape the lab this is the you

01:16:06.900 know this is like early bit of 28 days later the rage virus the feminism virus has escaped the lab

01:16:12.260 it's out in the wild and it can't be stopped and it's just spreading all over the place so i like 0.55

01:16:17.300 her theory so anyway watch the watch the brokonomics i did with her if you want more detail

01:16:21.120 and um so here we and i want to put this in terms that sort of makes sense right so this is this is

01:16:29.860 japan same graphic same graphic stars before but this time i've used the entire population of japan

01:16:36.500 so here we are at the moment 122 million and they've actually got a slightly higher total

01:16:41.960 fertility rate it's not much higher i think it's like 0.92 from when i did it this morning

01:16:45.700 and and that gets down to 66 million 36 million 19 million again absolutely the point i'm getting at 1.00

01:16:54.680 is to combat feminism we need to reclassify what level of threat that it is it genuinely

01:17:01.800 genuinely is an existential threat to nations we must combat it as if it was an existential threat 0.96

01:17:08.740 and maybe a state mandated girlfriend is is genuinely not the worst idea

01:17:14.600 that that could be a thing in fact just to help people visualize it imagine right imagine it's 1.00

01:17:22.280 not feminism that was attacking us imagine it was godzilla and

01:17:31.800 now what i've done here is very clever right what i've done here is it is this is a counterfactual

01:17:40.980 where the total fertility rate in japan stays at 2.1 but you add a godzilla right and godzilla

01:17:49.500 eats somebody every 30 seconds so he's he's eating uh i'll run the numbers here so he's eating

01:17:57.180 yeah um 2.2 people every minute he's eating 131 people every hour he's eating 3134 people a day

01:18:06.800 he's eating 1.1 million people a day so anybody can get anything done yeah well yes but but i

01:18:13.120 mean just just think it through and yet still they're reproducing yes replacement levels no

01:18:18.600 well yeah they are they they've they have total fertility rate but godzilla eating two people

01:18:24.920 every minute has the same effect on pop because look basically they're the same look at the number

01:18:30.280 look at the bottom they're the same numbers right yeah one has feminism the other one has godzilla

01:18:36.800 same result right but if god but he but he hear me out right if you actually had if you actually

01:18:46.500 had godzilla marching around japan just every 30 seconds scooping somebody up and eating somebody 0.98

01:18:52.600 people will be like shit 0.99

01:18:54.800 we've got to do something 0.99

01:18:57.360 this is bad

01:18:58.240 yeah Godzilla's bad

01:18:59.480 yes

01:18:59.960 I do quite enjoy the analogy

01:19:03.180 it's good

01:19:04.140 but you see what I'm saying 0.94

01:19:05.600 it'd be like oh bugger 0.98

01:19:07.900 Godzilla was just snatched up 0.96

01:19:10.260 my arms

01:19:11.040 Japan will be no more

01:19:13.860 Godzilla's just snatched up my neighbour

01:19:15.740 and eaten him

01:19:16.660 that's really really bad

01:19:18.700 we've got to do something about Godzilla

01:19:20.920 yeah

01:19:21.460 but even though that is the same picture as that look see look at the numbers just i'm just doing

01:19:28.540 it i'm doing it backwards and forwards yeah i know we we've got we've got yeah we've yeah we've

01:19:33.060 got it yeah what i'm saying is feminism is is as bad as godzilla so we've got to do something about

01:19:41.780 it right but unlike godzilla the thing that you need to do is not like i don't know fly a plane 0.80

01:19:51.180 with a nuke on it 0.63

01:19:52.140 into his mouth 0.98

01:19:52.940 or 1.00

01:19:53.320 you can't nuke feminism 1.00

01:19:54.580 yeah 1.00

01:19:55.480 but what you have got to do

01:19:57.980 right

01:19:58.640 is her

01:20:03.040 well I mean not specifically her

01:20:04.700 I mean just

01:20:05.100 you would wouldn't you

01:20:06.180 well I would yeah

01:20:06.840 I mean obviously

01:20:07.340 I mean if

01:20:12.960 if it was

01:20:14.020 if it was like

01:20:14.560 how are you going to save Japan Dan

01:20:16.320 you're the man

01:20:17.200 I'd be like yeah right then

01:20:18.520 but you see what I mean

01:20:19.860 I'll do my best 0.96

01:20:21.060 but he's better than flying a nuke in a cessna into into godzilla's butt or something isn't it 0.89

01:20:29.620 so so so dan's solution at the very least is don't nuke japan again well no no what i'm saying is we

01:20:38.660 might nuke japan again now what what ultimately i'm driving at here is is that is that young

01:20:45.640 people need to 0.85

01:20:47.860 care off and have 1.00

01:20:49.720 sex. 0.76

01:20:52.440 I mean it's not

01:20:53.100 I don't think it's wildly, radically

01:20:55.800 difficult.

01:20:57.500 That's good.

01:20:59.840 Have some fun guys.

01:21:01.520 The thing is, state mandated

01:21:03.660 girlfriend, okay, but

01:21:05.720 also, that also means that 0.73

01:21:07.700 men and women also

01:21:09.860 need to stop being 1.00

01:21:10.840 like Spurgs and stop hating one 1.00

01:21:13.760 another as well. 0.94

01:21:15.640 Well, you get your appointed girlfriend, you know.

01:21:18.700 And you learn not to hate her.

01:21:20.700 So make the app mandatory, like heavy fines or prison sentences if you don't...

01:21:26.640 Where are we talking about?

01:21:27.880 Oh, everywhere. Everywhere.

01:21:29.240 I don't want Andy Burnham's government pointing me.

01:21:32.780 The alternative...

01:21:34.100 Okay, I mean, our birth rate is...

01:21:35.700 I think our birth rate is 1.4.

01:21:39.280 So at 1.4, you want to say to people, look, get busy.

01:21:43.620 Yep.

01:21:43.840 or are we going to do the app right right if you're singapore or japan or south korea where 0.89

01:21:50.020 your total fertility rate is below one you can't mess around anymore godzilla is literally coming

01:21:55.080 well not literally but yeah so you want other people to be coming what was that what no i don't

01:22:00.360 want no i don't want god's sake do you want other people to be coming oh yes yes yes

01:22:06.480 i think i think i think the plan has been adequately formulated okay have i landed my

01:22:12.580 point i think you've made your case right okay we go to comments all right yeah we've got quite

01:22:16.100 a few rumble rants from that one no surprise if you want to yes any if if any that is a lot of

01:22:21.840 well first of all um speaking of people reproducing connor's wife is at the hospital

01:22:28.440 yes birth to their twins right now so congrats connor good luck to you if you're japanese and

01:22:34.240 watching this if connor can do it you can do it what you're saying about connor

01:22:39.520 oh i'm not no no i don't let's carry on yes do you want to read yourself a hole there mate

01:22:46.900 all right okay um uh just just from that one okay from that one up uh one tall order says

01:22:53.060 social media stole away my based right-wing tomboy gym rat girlfriend started putting all 0.96

01:22:58.840 kinds of dumb ideas in her head yes that is a hazard uh hapsification says uh this is what 0.99

01:23:04.640 unregulated hypergamy has to do yes it's as bad as godzilla hypergamy yes hypergamy uh the tall 0.98

01:23:11.800 order says uh continuation from earlier rant i need to travel in my 20s or i won't get the chance

01:23:17.060 to some of us weren't meant to settle down and start a family sorry that happened to you bro

01:23:21.300 i continues he's done a few of them random says uh dan are you saying that um back in the good

01:23:29.120 old days you could just phone the wife delivery service and it would work well yeah inquiry i

01:23:33.280 i never encountered that i just i just went up to people i like the look of in london and

01:23:37.640 talked to them which i don't i don't understand why that's so bloody difficult these days

01:23:42.660 um the tall one says started cheat um started cheating on me with a guy from another continent

01:23:49.480 because i didn't love her because i wouldn't text her while i was at work when i'm not allowed on

01:23:54.820 the factory floor i'm sorry this all happened if that's true i'll just say i know it hurts right

01:24:02.080 now but if this is what she ended up being like you dodged a bullet it really sucks but yeah you 0.97

01:24:08.840 dodged the bullet there um the completely unpronounceable names as belgians are evil 0.94

01:24:14.420 trust me oh okay oh that's belgians yeah okay uh i thought i thought that was an indian name is this

01:24:21.100 the guy who comments on beau's show a lot about how much belgian belgium isn't a real country

01:24:25.960 no one expects uh most drug addicts to recover fully and lead the lives of wood otherwise they

01:24:30.760 would have lived without drugs same goes for women who do certain things in the 20s and 30s

01:24:34.960 uh yeah that's why we've got to get them on the app um read dan's last name backwards now him

01:24:41.620 starting an only dan's and having a porn tub account makes more sense dan aside i

01:24:47.480 i like i like only dan's i'm gonna think about that one um tom says and yet if you suggest you

01:24:54.440 need a small singaporean man screaming at you to reproduce while engaging in such a

01:24:58.320 You wouldn't want a small Singaporean man screaming at you 0.80

01:25:04.460 while you were getting it on. 0.93

01:25:05.540 Because what if you then got a Pavlovian response

01:25:08.200 where you could only get it going 0.84

01:25:10.220 if you have a small Singaporean man screaming at you? 0.99

01:25:13.480 Well, I guess he's just part of the family now.

01:25:14.940 Why do these things cross your mind?

01:25:17.460 Well, they don't...

01:25:18.040 Okay.

01:25:19.800 BaseApe says, 0.99

01:25:20.420 AI-enforced marriages sound like an awesome idea. 0.98

01:25:22.760 Nobody gets a choice. 1.00

01:25:23.660 Just make babies and shut up. 1.00

01:25:25.020 I need to code something quick. 1.00

01:25:26.060 Yes, get on it, Base.

01:25:26.940 Yeah, do it.

01:25:27.760 Lotus Eaters dating app.

01:25:29.840 What's Carl doing?

01:25:31.060 He should have made a Lotus Eaters dating app.

01:25:33.280 The tall order says,

01:25:34.020 on a totally unrelated note,

01:25:35.380 any under 30s in the Lotus Eaters audience

01:25:38.560 looking for love?

01:25:40.280 Yes, actually, Samson is looking for love.

01:25:43.500 So the tall order, 0.97

01:25:44.740 if you are female and Asian,

01:25:47.180 he can help you out.

01:25:48.260 No, that's an American guy, it said.

01:25:50.840 Ah, yeah, I think that's awkward.

01:25:52.980 Well, take the date anyway.

01:25:54.940 See what happens.

01:25:55.960 No, don't.

01:25:56.840 Okay. 0.99

01:25:57.760 the hapsification says so queen bee syndrome then um and that's random say get yourself a wife 0.67

01:26:04.000 who's behind is as large as godzilla's childbearing hips okay and and let me

01:26:11.300 okay right fair okay all right do we have any video comments after yes after all that uh samson

01:26:18.200 people are going to start sending in dating profiles video comments now dan 0.85

01:26:24.620 we've got dreadnought oh this is going to be a pussy video no it's going to be a ginger cat

01:26:33.660 that's rather one point isn't it is it loading up on the screen i shouldn't say oh we lost our 0.99

01:26:40.160 japanese girl guys you're black now of all times i mean we're sending mexicans to somalia we cut 0.96

01:26:52.680 down muslim migration by 97 and we're sending the rest of them home each one bees are on old 1.00

01:27:01.100 time loan the only markets are getting that in record highs are the africanas and you're black 1.00

01:27:08.040 peeling i mean come on what do you more do you want we got the cats and margaret's being deported

01:27:14.200 isn't this your agenda i was worried because i thought that he was deporting the cat to somalia

01:27:21.260 i don't think that would end well for the poor cat no luckily i didn't realize what was going on

01:27:28.060 would become dinner i think all right then uh let's look at the website comments before we

01:27:36.880 finish let's go for a couple uh through each segment if you want to go through a couple on

01:27:40.560 yours oh right yeah i forgot i actually did a segment today um hm butterknife says british

01:27:46.440 internationals self-reporting before a terrorist attack is this the troubles or the gunpowder

01:27:51.980 plot how can we be sure they aren't secretly catholics um diesel is famous the dreadnought

01:27:59.600 logan diesel is famous for being able to not catch fire even if you throw a match in a barrel of it

01:28:05.200 diesel has to be aero lived uh to catch aero live to catch fire um sophie live says i wonder what

01:28:13.380 the religion and ethnicity of the judge was of course that's totally irrelevant i was just

01:28:17.720 wondering yeah you want to go to some of yours uh yes i'll go through a couple of mine steve

01:28:23.560 stevens have you guys seen sky's new show war game it's very interesting from an analysis point

01:28:28.560 of view might also be worth dan or someone making their own version for a lads hour i've not heard

01:28:34.360 of this own version of what a sky program called war game no maybe take a look into it i'll google

01:28:42.120 it so sophie live what blows my mind is they just canceled yoko taro's new project with no

01:28:47.120 explanation they didn't did they and that's while still earning money on near automata

01:28:51.380 automata's merchandise pretty much their only successful original ip from the last decade

01:28:56.300 which was a yoko taro creation yeah i really like nor near automata so i didn't even know that there

01:29:02.780 was a project that he was working on that got canceled that's a shame justin b all digital on

01:29:07.000 steam isn't a choice no one has produced physical pc games in a long time i miss the old boxes yeah

01:29:11.660 i remember being able to pick those up uh man of kent pc master race the kingdom come deliverance

01:29:17.620 one and two developers now making a lord of the rings open world rpg that will be epic and truth

01:29:22.060 the law well that'll be interesting i know a lot of people had some issues with number two

01:29:26.160 but you know uh i'm still interested to see it and now you can go through some of yours dan 0.93

01:29:31.640 yes so i'll pick out a couple of women gauge the temperature of of the state mandated girlfriend

01:29:38.280 program az desert rat who i know is a woman um it says the grass is not always greener in the future

01:29:43.780 point one point two there was no such thing as a perfect man well there's been two so far jesus

01:29:48.620 and columbo and three people in a relationship no matter the type of relationship are constantly

01:29:53.860 making compromises and accommodations for the other in the relationship yes i suppose that's

01:29:58.720 fair and uh sophie i mean she hasn't commented on whether she likes the idea of a of a state

01:30:04.180 appointed girlfriend and uh sophie says my theory is that women are creatures of safety and will do

01:30:09.600 what it takes to make the most sense for our own comfort and survival back in the day life was

01:30:14.060 uncertain so you needed a man to protect you and you needed children to secure your future safety 0.96

01:30:18.300 now that the state replaces both men um and children so now both have become a liability

01:30:24.260 rather than a safety measure and women take the path that feels least scary yes well we're just

01:30:30.180 going to have to do the app then aren't we base tape is going to code it yep i'll do the advert

01:30:34.900 for it to sell everybody on it because i can really i think i can sell people on this idea

01:30:39.200 roll it out okay i guess uh yeah in that in that case uh that's all we've got time for look out

01:30:45.300 for the only dan's app uh in the future nate thanks for coming on it's been interesting buddy

01:30:51.480 been fun all right then uh everybody watching please take care we'll see you again tomorrow

01:30:56.820 bye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - September 30, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1517

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