The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1529

00:00:00.000 Hi folks, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Friday the 16th of October 2026.

00:00:04.660 I'm joined by Nick and Stelios and today we're going to be talking about the Senate apocalypse.

00:00:09.300 We're going to be talking, what were you covering?

00:00:11.440 Dominic Cummings, why Putin is less dangerous than our own government.

00:00:15.780 Anything, like an asteroid would be less dangerous than our own bloody government.

00:00:19.640 And terrorism. We're going to be talking about terrorism in the UK,

00:00:23.220 particularly as we have some details now about the murderer of Anne Whittacombe

00:00:27.940 and i want to talk a bit more about just parts and terrorism going on in the uk

00:00:32.820 because it's probably going to continue to be honest which is not great but uh anyway right

00:00:38.060 oh by the way after the show we have lads hour in our new studio today so that's exciting

00:00:44.360 looking forward to it i fear 3pm i i do too but dan also has the game that we wanted to play last

00:00:50.880 week or the week before two weeks ago uh we've we've got that sorted now apparently so apparently

00:00:56.160 we're going to be diffusing a bomb on Lanza. Anyway, let's let's begin. It already is the

00:01:01.400 middle of October and the U.S. midterm elections are fast approaching. Now, usually in the midterm

00:01:07.320 elections, the incumbent president's party is suffering some losses. And now the Republicans,

00:01:14.120 they hope that they can win the Senate. But they are they do think that they are going to lose some

00:01:20.840 of their power within the House of Representatives.

00:01:25.220 But I think that it's a very momentous midterm elections

00:01:30.400 because far more is at stake than in a traditional one.

00:01:35.220 Nick is staring at me with the why are you saying face,

00:01:39.980 but you will see where I'm getting at.

00:01:42.660 Right, so we are going to talk specifically

00:01:44.700 about the Michigan senatorial race.

00:01:47.460 that is uh the rivalry between mike rogers the republican candidate and abdul al-sayed the

00:01:54.940 progressive candidate of the democrats i really wish that we could just send this back in time

00:02:01.280 to george washington and just show him look guys this race between mike rogers and what was his

00:02:08.500 name sorry al-sayed abdul al-sayed if you like call the whole thing off yeah he would give it 0.67

00:02:14.160 that to the indians yeah like there's a muslim in america it's like oh yeah it's worse than that 0.64

00:02:18.820 i appreciate but i think the response would be let's there the this problem also exists in the 1.00

00:02:25.040 uk and in a way i'm not saying it doesn't in a way that's what my segment is about that we told

00:02:30.660 you that this was going to happen several americans have constantly said this is europe europe has

00:02:35.800 fallen and it's completely irredeemable and it's never going to happen in the u.s but it is

00:02:42.380 happening and it will happen and wake up i suppose yeah that's one of the most annoying

00:02:48.060 things when us people they always tweet like oh you guys have fallen so have you seen your

00:02:51.660 demographic what are you talking about have you seen michigan minnesota they're very naive about

00:02:56.280 this particular issue but gone yes and uh let me just uh clarify this i don't want uh what is

00:03:01.940 happening in europe to happen in the u.s i want what is happening to europe to stop happening to

00:03:07.160 europe and live in a more harmonious western world right so mike rogers is not new in politics he has

00:03:17.440 served seven times in a row as michigan's representative in congress he was a special

00:03:24.260 fbi agent he was born in michigan he started criminal justice and sociology and he's also

00:03:30.180 involved in intelligence he chaired the united states house permanent select committee on

00:03:35.660 intelligence from 2011 to 2015 and he's a traditional republican abdul el sayed is also

00:03:45.180 someone who was born in michigan right to egyptian parents yeah and he was a rhodes scholar at the

00:03:53.100 university of oxford oh yeah assistant professor of epidemiology and he says that he supports

00:04:00.620 medicare for all uh supports ending military funding to israel abolishing ice and if elected

00:04:07.940 he is going to be the first muslim senator in the u.s now when i hear rose scholar oxford that used

00:04:13.540 to be impressive now i've got no idea if it just means that you made up a fake autobiography and

00:04:18.080 david lammy get it so at the moment there is very significant noise surrounding this senatorial race

00:04:28.020 Some people are saying that Abdul El-Sayed has a very comfortable lead against Mike Rogers.

00:04:33.960 Others are saying it's a tie.

00:04:35.940 Others are saying that Mike Rogers has a significant lead.

00:04:39.160 I'm going to show you this from the end of September.

00:04:43.400 Midterm elections in Michigan, September 2026.

00:04:46.500 They give a sort of lead to El-Sayed.

00:04:50.520 and primarily they're saying that 42 percent of michigan voters say that when they are thinking

00:04:57.940 about voting for congress their ballot is mainly a vote against trump so 42 percent of the voters

00:05:06.340 in michigan are about to vote for abdul el sayed and support this candidate in order to own trump

00:05:14.780 it's not worth it as i'm going to show you yeah here uh according to this poll abdul el-sayed

00:05:21.540 has a 51 percent seven point advantage against the 44 percent of rogers among registered voters

00:05:29.300 in the u.s senate race independents are sort of split 48 percent for el-sayed for 45 percent for

00:05:37.080 rogers and younger generations are more likely to vote for el-sayed because they have been

00:05:41.920 brainwashed as we have warned the americans many times right now what is interesting in this race 0.57

00:05:50.180 is that you do see moderate democrats waking up really yes does he have ties to the muslim brother

00:05:57.280 does he allegedly i can't believe an egyptian politician allegedly allegedly what is really

00:06:04.620 annoying and dangerous is that the democrats put themselves in a position where they even had to

00:06:12.980 fight against him and he won the moderate democrats for the nominee for the senator

00:06:19.100 senatorial candidate right let's hear let's look at the nbc here doing some actual journalism

00:06:26.260 can't believe it that's no and your family doesn't no but newly revealed past tweets from

00:06:34.380 al-Sayed's half-sister appearing to call his answer into question. These tweets have emerged

00:06:39.780 now. Had an amazing talk with my mom about her activism in the Muslim Brotherhood during the

00:06:44.100 early 70s while she was in college. Hashtag respect. My family has long been an MB. Let me

00:06:48.600 finish praying for all my family that supports the MB in Egypt. Can you just explain it? Yeah, 0.60

00:06:52.900 Tom, it's funny to me. I was born in 1984 down the street in Rochester Hills. I was raised here

00:06:59.540 in Michigan, went to the University of Michigan, rebuilt the health department in this city, led

00:07:02.600 the health department in this county. And you want to ask me about what was happening in Egypt

00:07:06.020 in 1970. Are you serious? I get it. But you were asked a question. This is kind of like the same.

00:07:10.780 Yeah, I'm telling you, like, we I have no ties. We have no ties. So your mother had no ties. I

00:07:15.260 have never had these conversations with my mother. I wasn't raised. You were unaware. But but but I'm

00:07:20.160 just telling you that, like, you're using hearsay evidence from a tweet. It's just not serious.

00:07:24.680 It's just not serious. Well, you've also gone after the president right now. You've also gone

00:07:27.680 after the president for truthfulness. So when people ask you a question, they all do expect

00:07:30.840 the truth and do you think do you think are you are you insinuating that somehow i was lying i

00:07:34.800 don't know that's why i'm asking and i'm telling you i was not right so he says well no i don't

00:07:41.740 know anything about it how how probable is that i don't find it particularly plausible i don't know

00:07:49.200 but like if you're someone who doesn't know anything about this and you're just looking

00:07:52.940 at this from the outside he came off stronger there to be honest well i personally i don't

00:07:58.620 think that was the case but let's let's agree to disagree no i agree with stelios i think he came

00:08:04.460 across a bit muslim brotherhood no i personally this is a you know a fundamental difference of

00:08:11.400 stances towards things obviously i'm not in favor of the muslim brotherhood but he is saying well

00:08:17.360 look i was born in 1985 you're asking me something about happened in 1970 by my mom who i wasn't

00:08:22.260 raised by i don't know what you're talking about who was his sister his sister well it's good though

00:08:28.040 that we do have more context okay it isn't just something that happened in the 70s trump has

00:08:33.880 declared three chapters of the muslim brotherhood as terrorist organizations and that includes the

00:08:42.340 jordanian the egyptian and the lebanese chapters even the europeans have woken up to this they

00:08:48.820 voted right now in the eu parliament to call for the muslim brotherhood to be added to the eu

00:08:54.980 terrorist list 381 maps voted for this 167 voted against this even in the eu slovenian member here

00:09:05.380 says for a long time some naive people in parts of europe thought that the brotherhood is just

00:09:11.460 a charity organization obviously that's a front who voted against the motion to declare it a

00:09:17.780 terrorist organization in the eu parliament it's going to be the left progressive alliance of

00:09:23.380 socialists and democrats overwhelmingly against greens european free alliance overwhelmingly

00:09:29.860 against the left in the european parliament overwhelmingly against yeah right but and um

00:09:37.380 i don't think that it's particularly plausible here his sister for instance during the october

00:09:43.620 seven massacre wrote morning freedom um here she is talking about a book she um is going to read

00:09:54.580 where she envisages herself as being a reporter looking in hindsight on um palestine and gaza

00:10:05.140 and uh she cheers about no novel let's listen to what she says let me unmute this sorry nick

00:10:12.340 I was just saying it's muted, yeah.

00:10:14.420 Each chapter is a fictional oral history interview that takes place in the future.

00:10:19.020 I'm interviewing someone whose last name is Hassan,

00:10:23.400 and I'm asking them about their participation in the final entefalda and the liberation of Palestine.

00:10:33.220 And they say it was a mass insurrection that started in the early 30s

00:10:37.720 and ended with the liberation of Palestine in 38.

00:10:40.600 In the 20s, you had massive boycotts of Israel by individuals, companies, universities, and

00:10:45.780 industries all over the world. 0.79

00:10:47.680 The state couldn't afford to keep up the luxuries they gave to working class and middle class 0.99

00:10:51.400 Jews because the global economy was faltering.

00:10:54.280 They say, what were you plotting? 0.65

00:10:56.400 They say, resistance, like, you know, guerrilla ops, mostly targeting the border to Gaza.

00:11:02.920 It took a year of intense planning and coordinating with resistance fighters across Palestine,

00:11:07.480 But eventually the border between Gaza and the rest of Palestine fell.

00:11:11.240 The IDF couldn't hold out between the mass defections, the international condemnations,

00:11:16.300 the weapons and supplies drying up.

00:11:18.880 I say, tell me about the day the border fell.

00:11:22.640 And Hassan pauses for a long time. 0.85

00:11:25.340 It was the most beautiful day of my life, bombing the borders, blowing up military outposts 0.99

00:11:29.720 and all that.

00:11:30.880 But most people were just organizers.

00:11:33.300 Those of us that were armed started shooting at them.

00:11:35.880 Some people made Molotov cocktails.

00:11:37.880 There certainly wasn't a horrific massacre or anything.

00:11:44.140 And let me just...

00:11:45.140 The thing is, right, this is such cuck chair philosophy, sat there going, yeah, I just 0.99

00:11:50.540 wrote this fictional account of how we didn't get our asses handed to us. 0.99

00:11:54.640 It's like, yeah, man, okay. 0.98

00:11:57.700 Among other problems with that clip was the fact that it was cucked, but it was also just

00:12:01.500 the degeneracy of like, oh, we love October 7th, what is wrong with you, you freaks?

00:12:05.680 We have here this article from the Washington Free Beacon.

00:12:10.360 I'll show you just the tweets because she has posted several times.

00:12:14.840 She's been pretty upfront about this.

00:12:16.580 She says here, had an amazing talk with my mom about her activism in the Muslim Brotherhood during the early 70s while she was in college.

00:12:23.640 That was in 2012.

00:12:25.060 and let us remind people

00:12:26.440 that that was a bit after the Arab Spring

00:12:29.040 when Hosni Mubarak fell

00:12:30.540 and then there was an elected president

00:12:34.040 of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt

00:12:36.780 who fell a year later by the coup.

00:12:41.320 Right, let's move downwards.

00:12:44.340 She says, mama birthday,

00:12:46.240 I don't remember what that said about. 1.00

00:12:48.140 Right, SHIT, my family has long been Muslim Brotherhood 0.99

00:12:53.080 but i've always felt that it has navigated the political sphere poorly or destructively here 0.99

00:12:58.680 she says in july the third praying for all my family that supports the muslim brotherhood in

00:13:04.840 egypt lay low stay safe so i suppose the only the only possible defense is she's she wants to look

00:13:11.160 cool so she's saying her family are involved in the muslim brotherhood that's the only plausible

00:13:15.560 defense right yeah i don't believe it honestly why take take why why is it worth the risk just

00:13:24.200 just not voting for trump for mike rogers here because you want to own trump or uh you know

00:13:31.000 abstaining voting for elsa yeah just to own trump it's not worth the risk maybe he's the moderate

00:13:37.880 centrist who tempers his sister's extremism yeah but if that is the case then what is going to

00:13:46.400 happen in his family is a microcosm of what happened in the democrats right lots of moderates

00:13:52.780 turning a blind eye to their extremists and they're losing now to extremists so this is just 0.62

00:13:59.440 this is not new for the democrats the only new thing about this is now these are like foreign

00:14:03.480 radical third worldists who are doing it in the democratic it's no different to ilhan omar the

00:14:08.360 squad or any any of the radical left antifa and all that now it's just extreme like like i said

00:14:14.300 third worldists who are like well we're here to essentially use the state to loot money from the

00:14:19.000 american people and give it to our community exactly it's just and um here we have an article

00:14:24.880 about one of his key inspirations tarik ramadan known for his diatribes against jewish intellectuals

00:14:31.860 was recently sentenced to 18 years of prison in France for raping three women. 0.82

00:14:36.660 Right.

00:14:37.060 Left-wing Michigan Senate candidate Abdullah al-Sayed said he drew inspiration

00:14:40.840 from the excellent works of a disgraced Oxford professor.

00:14:44.880 Of course he's an Oxford professor. 0.77

00:14:46.660 Grandson of the Muslim Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna.

00:14:50.520 But maybe he didn't know. 0.86

00:14:53.800 Maybe he didn't know because they are secretive, right? 0.94

00:14:57.080 And here Ramadan had been, let me show you this here, he was appointed chair of Contemporary Islamic Studies at Oxford University in 2009, the same year El-Sayed began attending Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar.

00:15:12.180 Two years later, El-Sayed cited Ramadan as one of the three authors with whom he drew inspiration.

00:15:18.040 ramadan left oxford in 2017 after he was accused of sexual misconduct with minors

00:15:24.080 and he was sentenced to 18 years in prison in march for several counts of rape and he broke

00:15:31.300 a court order by leaving france for switzerland and did not attend the trial claiming anxiety and

00:15:37.240 depression the court found him fit to attend i have questions about oxford interview process

00:15:42.780 you know i mean you've got these guys you've got the guy that thinks it's hilarious that charlie

00:15:46.020 kurt gets killed it's like who are these people also they found an old sabstuck article by abdul

00:15:52.520 el sayed from 2021 where old it's only from 2021 yeah it's not like it was from 1999 or something

00:16:00.440 yes uh that's from 2021 he referred to mohammed sultan as a friend of his who is the son of a

00:16:08.180 senior muslim brotherhood official sure right so he does have ties with him but there's a lot of

00:16:14.560 smoke coming out of this place that definitely doesn't have fire yeah but we also have to say

00:16:18.460 when it comes to funding and support for him he is also funded by the george soros foundation

00:16:24.480 oh right and conceal my shock he gets called out on fox news for taking money from lefty

00:16:30.860 billionaire george soros right he has taken money from this foundation as well there are also

00:16:37.500 allegations that he has received funding from groups that have alleged ties to the muslim

00:16:43.360 Brotherhood and other such foundations, such as the Holy Land Foundation, and CARE, the

00:16:50.240 Chair of American Islamic Relations, that has been designated as terrorist in some states,

00:16:56.040 such as Florida and Texas. Yeah, I think, basically, it's obvious.

00:17:02.320 It's just a lot of smoke, just saying. I'm not saying there's a fire, there's just loads

00:17:05.660 of smoke billowing out of this.

00:17:06.860 Mike Rogers here and Abdul El-Sayedda had a heated debate.

00:17:12.900 Let's hear some of it.

00:17:13.940 My friend here just wants to do, he's kind of like a glitchy AI chatbot,

00:17:18.700 is say the same thing over and over and over again.

00:17:21.300 But let me tell you this.

00:17:23.260 He has taken money from groups associated and support the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:17:27.880 He has taken money from individuals on his campaign who openly support Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda.

00:17:35.320 he's taken money from the george soros family what we found out is that this thing goes way

00:17:40.080 back apparently they paid for his education in columbia he also alleges abdul el-sayed also is

00:17:46.600 going to respond that you're getting money from big pharma and apac that's what happened afterwards

00:17:53.280 trump here is obviously in support of mike rogers obviously the problem is that mike rogers has a

00:17:58.960 problem which is this kind of negative campaigning isn't actually very good well this with matt

00:18:04.800 goodwin in courton and denton you can't go around saying your opponent is bad you have to explain

00:18:09.080 why you are good that's true the question is is this actually part and parcel of every election

00:18:15.340 because these elections to a very large extent are about character sure and attacking your your

00:18:21.820 opponent's character is sure part of the game but the this is not sufficient to get people who are

00:18:30.600 otherwise not particularly bothered about the character of each person to vote for you if the

00:18:36.100 the reason the democrats have been doing well recently and the left generally has been doing

00:18:41.460 quite well is because they're setting forth a positive vision that's why andy burnham is doing 1.00

00:18:44.920 quite well in britain he is setting forth a positive vision it's stupid and destructive 0.95

00:18:49.980 but it's an affirmative we are going to do x and we believe this will cause beneficial things 0.97

00:18:56.720 it won't obviously but the republicans and the right in this country need to do the same thing

00:19:02.120 no this is what we we want to do and this is how it's going to benefit i think you're right

00:19:07.180 you do need good momentum and and some kind of optimism in elections but i think that there may

00:19:14.880 be another thing i'm not disagreeing with what you said but there could be another scenario

00:19:19.260 see if mike rogers was like listen vote for me and i'm gonna deport mr el syed here i'd vote for

00:19:25.560 like this is positive vision i'm gonna make sure there aren't egyptians running for elections

00:19:30.340 the thing is that michigan the thing is that what could be could be happening here is that

00:19:36.300 they are trying to set up a precedent and to say that listen i mean we lost if if they lose

00:19:43.060 the republicans could go and say we lost because people weren't aware of the danger of a candidate

00:19:51.000 with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and they they need to appeal to that loss in the future 0.56

00:19:57.260 yeah but the thing is the people who are going to vote for Al-Sayed don't care about that and the

00:20:02.760 normies don't think in those terms they're just thinking who is offering me the positive vision

00:20:07.920 of the future well that that's certainly true right here uh again Mike Rogers does this he's

00:20:15.340 saying that he is abdul al-sayed is too dangerous for the u.s senate and several democrats have

00:20:22.280 started uh talking against him uh and hassan piker who is campaigning for him and he is going to war

00:20:30.600 with moderate democrats and he says essentially if you don't vote for abdul al-sayed 0.99

00:20:36.140 your islamophobic pieces of shit a good thing is that several several democrat politicians have 0.99

00:20:46.060 disavowed hassan paika now why would you want hassan paika yes and now several democrats are 1.00

00:20:51.720 backing mike rogers and they're saying here essentially that mike that mike rogers cares

00:20:58.580 for michigan and um abdul el sayed only talks about palestine and gaza and they're saying here

00:21:08.480 i'll just let this play abdul el sayed is for palestine but mike rogers is for michigan

00:21:13.620 that's that's essentially what they're saying is that we want to elect a senator for michigan

00:21:21.020 to represent michigan in the u.s senate it's remarkable talking about u.s about michigan

00:21:27.940 problems according to data from 2025 only 2.4 percent of michigan's population is muslim yeah

00:21:35.260 but 2.4 percent in these uh tight uh races i'm not saying it's not not a lot is significant

00:21:44.620 and if we add to this the sort of intra republican or intra right wing don't vote for trump well

00:21:52.120 yeah think which could have deprived some of these candidates two to three percent sure plus all the

00:21:57.420 leftists that are obsessed with palestine that aren't muslim yes but that's the thing that what

00:22:02.260 we are warning americans about is that you know there are people there who are trying to infiltrate

00:22:09.180 their society and their politics in order to do things that have nothing to do with

00:22:15.360 the u.s and they are frankly in direct opposition to the visions traditional americans have for the

00:22:22.880 us so logan's just sent a super chat right quickly he's like carl we do have to get the messages of

00:22:27.840 good messaging but often it's it's also mixed with the tax on the opponents that's what i mean

00:22:31.180 i will deport my opponent if you vote for me right that's how you get a positive campaign

00:22:36.440 that is also an attack on your enemy well um that also depends from the other voter demographics

00:22:42.940 you you are receiving support from but i'll end this with this image oregon politician

00:22:50.420 nafisa fi holds a rally in minnesota while speaking entirely in somalian with an upside

00:22:56.920 down american flag in the background i mean at least that's appropriate because that signifies

00:23:00.940 the country's in distress yes it is in distress and uh right i think that it's definitely in

00:23:08.040 distress this man shouldn't win the senator position he's very suspicious and it's not

00:23:16.540 to the republicans watching us it's not worthy worth it to not vote and to say i don't care

00:23:23.960 about it or i just want to vote to own trump because of cost of living crisis and elect a

00:23:29.720 senator who is that fishy one for one for one paladin says the 60s started with pro-segregation

00:23:37.080 democrats and ended with maoers defeating other communists at democratic conventions

00:23:40.380 indeed let's move on oh no that's my one jack let's get the other one up please thank you 0.68

00:23:46.540 all right so dominic cummings has thrown another hand grenade into the discourse in his inimitable

00:23:52.780 fashion to do a talk radio update a lot of it's classic cummings but he has some new things to

00:23:59.500 say like he pretty much said putin is less dangerous to us than our own government and i'm

00:24:04.720 very only slightly paraphrasing him are retaining the meaning there so and i mean seriously let's

00:24:10.040 just let's just weigh that up for a second how many british children has putin managed to get 0.74

00:24:14.960 raped? Fair question. 0.95

00:24:17.300 Zero, right? He's had zero

00:24:18.720 effect on this. How many has our British 0.88

00:24:20.960 government got raped? I mean, we're currently in the middle of a rape 0.97

00:24:22.940 crisis with like 75,000 rapes a year.

00:24:25.400 I know. I didn't know we could say any of that on YouTube,

00:24:27.180 but yeah, absolutely. Oh, I don't know if we can.

00:24:29.000 It's horrific. Someone afterwards is going to have to...

00:24:31.200 And he's talking about procurement, he's talking about

00:24:33.240 this lawfare against the

00:24:34.960 special forces and all these things. So he gets into

00:24:36.940 all of it. So, I mean, and this

00:24:38.920 is addressing the

00:24:40.260 House of Lords Constitution Committee

00:24:42.480 and the sort of premise was it's

00:24:44.920 about balance of powers and the most significant weaknesses in how the uk is governed as you can

00:24:49.000 imagine cummings had quite a lot to say on that but he i'll just summarize his initial well play

00:24:55.140 it first and i'll summarize but he had three main arguments to begin with and he summarizes them

00:24:58.900 here um so i think i would just start with those three big basics if you have if you look at

00:25:05.260 anything that really works well in the world you see great talent you see responsibility inside

00:25:11.840 institutions and you see speed of execution and the way in which the british system has evolved

00:25:17.540 means that all three of those things now are more or less unlawful in the current

00:25:21.980 situation so yeah i don't mean to laugh it's so true yeah they've all become unlawful so

00:25:28.360 he says and you can go it even says later you can go back to 500 bc these principles don't change

00:25:33.220 so the three main things he's talking about there a shift in elite talent he's saying talented

00:25:37.500 people don't want to sit in pointless meetings but if they can achieve real change like they

00:25:41.940 could briefly during covid their normal jobs were disrupted they had a chance to actually do

00:25:45.680 something because government was so disrupted it was actually a chance for talented people to come

00:25:49.520 in he put out his famous email calling for weirdos and so on he got 60 000 responses so he says elite

00:25:55.060 talent will come if you make the job worthwhile he says about the lack of responsibility that

00:26:00.140 before the 1850s it was clear that the minister understood and was responsible for what happened

00:26:04.320 in his department now it's all fake or as cummings always like say potemkin a potemkin charab and his

00:26:10.320 third point was about north coach rebellion which he's obsessed with which was in 1854 this report

00:26:14.960 changed the civil service we essentially had a british approach of political patronage which

00:26:19.880 changed to the chinese style of meritocracy which basically meant exams which meant the you end up

00:26:24.980 with these generalists academic people who were general administrators rather than having expert

00:26:30.160 knowledge in their area and it just changed our system in a way that he believes is is highly

00:26:34.280 negative and he says we're still seeing the sort of ramifications of that he also mentions the

00:26:39.480 cabinet office when it was it was created out of the world war one crisis but the idea was it should

00:26:45.120 never be in charge of policy making or appointments and now it's in charge of both so that's another

00:26:49.740 key thing he says and then he makes his explosive comments about mr putin here and i'll just i'll

00:26:56.480 us play it, if I can find my mind?

00:26:58.620 Yes, obviously there are foreign

00:27:00.080 adversaries and enemies who hate us

00:27:02.540 and are trying to cause problems, but by far

00:27:04.320 our biggest problem

00:27:05.740 is here. Putin is a

00:27:08.380 tiny problem relative

00:27:10.260 to our own Ministry of Defence

00:27:12.260 and the lawyers in the Cabinet Office.

00:27:16.400 It's not Putin who's launching

00:27:18.420 lawfare against the SAS.

00:27:20.380 It's not Putin who's destroyed procurement

00:27:22.080 inside the MOD in a nightmare 0.70

00:27:24.460 of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of money wasted, corrupt.

00:27:30.220 It's not Putin who's stopping the MOD learning from drones in Ukraine.

00:27:34.740 It's the civil servants in the MOD who tell the people who come back from Ukraine,

00:27:39.240 this is what's actually happening,

00:27:40.500 don't tell anybody senior what you see in Ukraine about drones,

00:27:44.300 because that will jeopardise all our budgets.

00:27:46.880 So it's not Putin and China doing these things to us,

00:27:49.180 it's us doing our main problems, what we do to ourselves.

00:27:52.220 it's also not putin who's sapping morale of the public to want to fight for the country

00:27:57.520 like did you see yesterday sky news were like oh only like 44 percent of people would fight for

00:28:02.660 britain if it was invaded it's like yeah that's terrible isn't it when more than half of the

00:28:07.420 country wouldn't fight for the country like putin didn't sap our morale there it's our government

00:28:12.380 that's done this yeah it is the state of the country that has done this although that veteran

00:28:16.500 who steven engine talked to yeah falcon said actually when people when you're invaded you

00:28:20.460 So you would fight, but he's saying, so he doesn't believe those.

00:28:23.600 But yeah, I know what you mean, the morale is incredibly low

00:28:25.160 because we feel like the government is at war with us.

00:28:28.400 This is fascinating.

00:28:29.260 He's alluding there to things like the Ajax armoured vehicles,

00:28:32.220 which were a massive waste, which were causing terrible hearing problems

00:28:34.440 to soldiers and all this sort of thing.

00:28:36.560 And he's saying warfare has moved on,

00:28:39.720 but there's basically perverse incentives and interests

00:28:43.940 where people want to keep their budget so they don't go and say,

00:28:46.900 oh, we need a load of drones.

00:28:47.820 They scrap all these tanks, things like that.

00:28:49.400 so that's what he's leading to there but yes Putin is a tiny problem relative to our own

00:28:53.820 ministry of defense and the lawyers and the cabinet office that's a hell of a thing to say

00:28:56.900 like Lord Herman was actively prosecuting former members of the SAS wasn't he he absolutely was

00:29:02.860 which he mentions in this next clip oh okay there we go um what's one of the few remaining

00:29:08.020 centers of excellence left in Britain British special forces who's who's their biggest enemy

00:29:12.260 today China no Russia no Iran no cabinet office and MOD lawyers I don't mean to laugh it's so

00:29:19.380 ridiculous like trying to rush around no they could probably beat them that's probably not a

00:29:23.260 problem however the human rights lawyers who are like right okay now we have forever and are paid 0.97

00:29:28.400 to just lawfare you until you essentially collapse it's just of course of course we're our biggest

00:29:35.320 enemies yeah absolutely disgusting and he's right to raise that they were pretty receptive actually

00:29:40.680 he gets into a funny argument with one at the end but they were they're pretty receptive it's good

00:29:44.120 that it's happening whether whether anything can come from this is another question but um

00:29:49.440 There's an interesting thing where he keeps pointing out

00:29:51.380 that ministers don't have responsibility anymore.

00:29:53.480 But there's a little bit of a sort of paradox 1.00

00:29:55.040 where the ministers are idiots. 1.00

00:29:57.500 So structurally... 1.00

00:29:58.940 You don't want to give them responsibility.

00:30:00.400 Yeah, there's a moment where he says, you know,

00:30:01.700 would I want to give responsibility to Hancock?

00:30:04.380 Obviously not in almost all cases, he says.

00:30:07.380 So structurally, basically what it is,

00:30:09.760 my sort of summary is he wants the system to work

00:30:12.700 so that ministers have responsibility.

00:30:14.160 Therefore, you'd get better ministers

00:30:15.360 because it'd be more attractive

00:30:16.320 and things would just work better.

00:30:18.740 But he's saying, yes, in the current system, the actual ministers you have,

00:30:21.780 yeah, I can see why you wouldn't want them. 1.00

00:30:23.300 So someone says to him, well, what about these quangos 1.00

00:30:25.520 taking responsibility away from ministers? 1.00

00:30:27.140 He says, yeah, but this.

00:30:29.180 He said this to me directly.

00:30:32.700 You know, there's an expression in Moscow,

00:30:35.220 everyone's right and everyone's unhappy.

00:30:37.220 It means sort of everyone's kind of got a point.

00:30:39.540 And the civil service response to what you've said is,

00:30:42.540 but look at the equality of the MPs. 0.99

00:30:44.000 The MPs are so rubbish, they don't want responsibility. 1.00

00:30:46.260 They don't want to be in charge. 1.00

00:30:47.700 Imagine, Dominic, if we put so-and-so, Minister X, in charge of this.

00:30:51.500 Yes, X, it's a shambles now.

00:30:53.100 But imagine if so-and-so is in charge, it would be even worse.

00:30:55.420 They don't want to be responsible.

00:30:57.400 And that, I'm afraid, is also very true.

00:31:01.800 I mean...

00:31:02.920 Yeah, so it's a system where it suits the minister to show up

00:31:06.220 and just pretend to have responsibility.

00:31:08.000 He says the press can all enjoy filming them as they walk into Downing Street,

00:31:12.140 even though these people are not actually the main people.

00:31:14.240 It's the people you don't see, the permanent secretaries and so on.

00:31:17.380 who actually do everything.

00:31:19.120 So he says it sort of suits everyone.

00:31:20.300 It suits the officials to secretly get on with everything.

00:31:22.480 It suits the politicians to be actors.

00:31:24.640 And you can see why it carries on.

00:31:26.120 But also, it's a case of putting the cart before a horse, right? 0.74

00:31:30.820 It's only possible to have ministers who are this incompetent

00:31:33.820 because they don't have any responsibility.

00:31:36.940 If actually the ministerial position was a position that did require a great deal of talent

00:31:42.120 and someone who wasn't David Lammy levels of intelligence,

00:31:45.460 these people wouldn't be trying to get to those positions in the first place oh my god no i'm a 0.75

00:31:50.000 retard you know and they'd get sacked anyway because it would be a system of accountability 0.86

00:31:53.300 exactly coming to this way exactly so actually the only people who would even put themselves 0.99

00:31:57.280 forward would be half decent to begin with so the only way out is through really you know you've got

00:32:03.660 to just know you're the minister are you right okay well this is your responsibility and tick

00:32:08.180 tock tick tock you know so the only way out is through yeah and it's exactly it almost says

00:32:12.180 exactly that like it's like what are we what do we agree that you have to do right so do you in

00:32:16.820 like a normal business what are you accountable for um yeah he says we need to ministers to be

00:32:21.760 accountable to parliament he did a bit which i won't place is too long about the the positives

00:32:26.400 that they did were things like we've actually got plenty of time so okay well it's things like the

00:32:29.680 vaccine task force which i know not everyone obviously i didn't take it but in terms of the

00:32:33.460 efficiency of it it was much better than the eu he talks about sewage monitoring rapid testing he's

00:32:38.180 the things that they did well by bypassing the usual systems and making people responsible and

00:32:42.660 he's talking about because it was covid it forced this and then obviously as he always says they

00:32:46.580 binned all this when he left but i want to play this next one because it's about the echr

00:32:50.740 and the human rights act uh which and he claims this is of what's stopping the not very small

00:32:56.980 boats and lots of people have said this of course but it's good to hear that through all this in 20

00:33:00.740 in 2020. All serious lawyers agreed, whether they're pro-ECHR or anti-ECHR, pro-Human

00:33:09.860 Rights Act or anti, you cannot deal with the small boats problem unless you make primary

00:33:16.720 law changes to the Human Rights Act and change how the courts give effect to the ECHR. That 0.96

00:33:23.000 is a fact. It's uncomfortable for all political sides to face this fact, but it is a fact.

00:33:33.160 I had discussions with Sunak about it in December 2022, when we had discussions about whether

00:33:39.360 or not I might go back to number 10 to help, and he persuaded himself that there were very

00:33:44.040 complicated ways of getting around this, and he persuaded himself that all the internal

00:33:47.900 advice telling him that he was wrong. Well, themselves wrong. And he found out the hard

00:33:53.920 way himself. So everyone internally knows that this is the case. But everyone also internally

00:34:00.340 knows, knew that the Tories didn't want to face the problem, and that Labour doesn't

00:34:04.920 want to face the problem. So the officials do what is inevitable for officials, which

00:34:09.940 is obfuscate and come up with complicated workarounds, which everyone knows and not

00:34:13.940 can actually solve the problem. But here I think it really is something where the political

00:34:18.580 people are much, much, much more to blame than the officials are. The officials have

00:34:23.560 repeatedly written down and said, yes, of course, Prime Minister, if you want to stop

00:34:27.320 the boats, you can stop the boats. This is what you've got to do legally to do that.

00:34:30.120 And then every time the PM looks at it and goes, my God, I mean, I'm not doing that.

00:34:37.380 Imagine how my dinner parties will go down in London if I were to do the following things.

00:34:41.020 It would be social ostracism.

00:34:42.980 So it's not done.

00:34:44.060 And officials will know that it's not going to be done.

00:34:46.060 Hence, you have just this sort of constant farce over the issue.

00:34:50.560 Boom.

00:34:52.320 And Farage has even said in an interview with the Telegraph I was just listening to

00:34:55.880 that the Tories still don't want to leave the ECHR, he believes.

00:34:58.560 I know Akemi's made it her whole thing.

00:35:00.300 Yeah, right.

00:35:00.660 But you see how resistant the Tories are to leaving the ECHR.

00:35:04.500 And yes, because it's just too much hassle.

00:35:07.740 Because, well, he's explained it very well there.

00:35:11.020 And the other thing the ECHR does is make it so that, and in combination with the human rights side, so that terrorists can just be let out, listen to this one.

00:35:20.120 In terms of keeping things secret, I'll just give one very obvious example.

00:35:25.320 I watched repeatedly and experienced repeatedly this process.

00:35:30.700 Treasury, sorry, terrorist incident X happens.

00:35:35.660 Meeting with the prime minister in number 10.

00:35:38.040 explain blah blah blah blah

00:35:40.460 clearly there's a rabbit off

00:35:42.860 I ask questions

00:35:44.600 people look at the ground

00:35:46.240 don't answer

00:35:47.320 have another meeting afterwards with the same officials

00:35:49.840 and you say

00:35:50.860 you let a guy out of jail

00:35:55.740 after MI5 warned

00:35:57.940 that he would almost definitely go and blow up

00:36:00.160 something again

00:36:00.840 obviously you kept the guy

00:36:06.080 under surveillance right because you were warned by MI5

00:36:08.020 five you kept him under surveillance in jail before you let him out so you could see who he

00:36:11.860 was talking to everyone's head looks at the floor oh you didn't keep him under surveillance aha

00:36:17.060 is that because there's cabinet office legal advice that says that because of echr rights

00:36:22.980 to privacy you're not allowed to keep even convicted terrorists under surveillance inside jail

00:36:28.580 yes dominic why didn't you explain that to the prime minister why didn't you explain to the

00:36:33.220 the Prime Minister that, we let out

00:36:35.380 a guy who we thought was going to do another

00:36:37.180 terrorist act, and we didn't even keep

00:36:39.280 him under surveillance because

00:36:40.380 the legal advice is that it's unlawful

00:36:43.240 under the Human Rights Act and the ECHR.

00:36:46.140 But that happens

00:36:47.260 routinely.

00:36:49.500 I would say the majority of

00:36:51.220 terrorist defences that you see, there

00:36:53.240 is an ECHR human rights

00:36:55.120 angle. Close to 0%

00:36:57.900 are

00:36:59.680 ever explained

00:37:00.660 publicly. It's never discussed publicly.

00:37:03.220 can i just mention i do enjoy domic cummings aesthetic oh yeah yeah like he's you know big

00:37:12.260 bald head scrawny guy creased shirt tie backwards somehow and loose just but the one sane man in

00:37:19.540 the room being like they just keep letting out terrorists they keep doing worst possible glasses 0.54

00:37:22.900 massive brain massive brain just it's not even necessarily massive brain because like what he's

00:37:29.280 saying is just very straightforward and in any other era dominic cummings would be a very sort

00:37:34.360 of like middling figure right these would just be like okay why are you why are you saying such

00:37:38.340 obvious and straightforward things but we're in a position now where everyone around him

00:37:42.540 i mean i've genuinely i'm not impressed with any of the politicians at this point yeah well i forgot

00:37:49.240 to say actually people because when i talk about comics we always say oh he was pro lockdown blah

00:37:53.360 blah and he failed when he was there think about him he's one of the few people that has the

00:37:56.900 historical and conceptual understanding and the insider hands-on experience of failing and

00:38:02.540 succeeding at certain things so succeeding yeah things where things where he managed to get it

00:38:06.340 more efficient this sewage thing and vaccine rollout all these things but then also a lot of

00:38:10.080 failures but how many people have that you've got people who are inside it who can't step back and

00:38:13.780 understand it you know they're just the politicians live in the kind of day-to-day soap opera then

00:38:17.680 you've got the people completely outside who can't do anything but he's got a mix for both which is

00:38:20.760 why he's always interesting to listen to oh yeah his takes are always very interesting um and on

00:38:24.840 this he talks about i think i've sort of talked about it but he talks in this next one about

00:38:28.640 people will only enter roles if they think they can change things but you need a prime minister

00:38:32.500 who's prepared to push through this radical change leading it prime minister who doesn't

00:38:36.800 want to go to dinner parties essentially yeah which boris he always says sometimes was he says

00:38:41.860 there was two different borises when his back was up against the wall he suddenly was like oh we've

00:38:44.900 got to do some things but then he went back to westminster nonsense yeah talented people will

00:38:50.440 only change their decisions if they think it's real so 2020 we could get talented people in there

00:38:57.720 but that was because you had a mix of genuine national crisis what they were doing with their

00:39:03.440 day job was completely turned upside down and the prime minister said come to number 10 and i will

00:39:09.940 support you and we will be able to get these sort of things done that's why we got former commanding

00:39:15.280 officer of 22SAS to come in

00:39:17.100 and work on testing. That's why

00:39:19.200 we got a bunch of people, extremely

00:39:21.080 able people, to ditch what they were doing

00:39:22.860 and come in to Number 10 and to

00:39:25.120 help the system on various things.

00:39:27.420 But it was real.

00:39:29.160 As soon as they then saw how things

00:39:31.200 were evolving, all such people left.

00:39:34.180 So,

00:39:35.100 it can only change if it's

00:39:37.060 obvious that there's a Prime Minister

00:39:38.620 that actually wants it to change

00:39:41.160 and he's going to force change through the system.

00:39:43.360 it's not going to change in it's not going to change in any other in any way of course

00:39:49.020 the small things here and there right permanent secretary could make some small little tweak in

00:39:53.080 but you're not going to fix the fundamental core problem unless the prime minister says

00:40:00.140 there is going to be a generational change in how this whole thing works all right well you get the

00:40:07.380 idea um i don't know who that's going to be we're going to need need someone who could get in there

00:40:12.580 And it's quite depressing to think about the options, but that would be good.

00:40:18.180 I'll just play one or two more because this is where he talks about the idea of the civil service fixing the constitution rather than parliament and saying that's a real disaster because someone suggested it.

00:40:29.060 And by the way, on the talent thing as well, someone later suggests, well, how do you get people to come in to the public sector, take a pay cut and don't get the benefits of the private sector and take a load of other hassle?

00:40:38.480 And it's what I said before.

00:40:39.520 He says they'll do it because there's certain things can only be done in government.

00:40:41.980 like on ai and other things that will interest people because they can make real change if if

00:40:47.500 it's real if it actually happens yeah yeah so in this one he someone challenges him on on all this

00:40:53.100 oh no that's the next one let me just play this one i'll tell you what i think the more that the

00:40:59.800 system says that the civil service has to defend the constitution the more you are driving yourselves

00:41:05.520 into crisis. It is not for unelected officials to be working secretly in some kind of platonic

00:41:15.660 guardian role to protect the system. That has been the way people have thought about it,

00:41:23.920 and the effect of that has been what you can see, which is unprecedented distrust and hatred

00:41:30.400 for the political class in this country.

00:41:33.260 And if the response to the current crisis

00:41:35.820 is doubling down on that approach

00:41:38.320 and saying the civil service must be the guardians of the constitution,

00:41:40.820 all you'll do is make more people hate you

00:41:42.900 and make more people hate this building.

00:41:45.480 The response, the people who actually have to safeguard our constitution

00:41:50.100 are the lords and the MPs.

00:41:55.200 It's parliament which has to safeguard the constitution.

00:42:00.400 thinking that this could be devolved

00:42:02.980 to a bunch of officials in the cabinet office

00:42:06.620 is what's got us into this nightmare in the first place

00:42:09.940 so strengthening that and strengthening the dynamics behind that

00:42:14.620 cannot be the answer

00:42:16.140 it can only be to strengthen the crisis

00:42:19.180 which you can see spreading across the whole western world

00:42:21.680 of people saying the guys in charge are not on our side

00:42:25.400 they're governing like they hate us

00:42:27.580 which is what I'm saying I swear to god louder and louder and why people are starting to burn

00:42:33.060 stuff down so I think this whole so so true that's why I played that one yeah people won't

00:42:38.880 think about that necessarily like the the link between we feel like the government hates us all

00:42:42.320 the time right they for some reason and he's linking some reason he's tying that to it's

00:42:46.960 because civil service are running things and they're unaccountable and unelected and so it's

00:42:51.440 just interesting to make that link between that and people burning stuff down on the street

00:42:54.820 something that seems constitutional or technical and it's like no no people are burning stuff

00:42:58.680 because they feel like government hates us they feel like government hates us because the government

00:43:01.060 isn't real because it's run by permanent civil service people i think it's fundamentally an

00:43:05.660 issue of people because he cited before the echr the echr has a multitude of clauses some of them

00:43:12.680 are suggesting that human rights are to be treated as unconditional others treat the human the sort

00:43:21.780 of presence in a country very much conditional like article 8 clause 2 it says that people can

00:43:29.360 be deported on on several conditions the reason why they constantly avoid deportation is because

00:43:36.360 of the judges and the activists the problem is unless you can just remove all of these judges

00:43:42.960 from their position which i'm not sure you can then your only other option is to remove the

00:43:47.140 legislation they're using yeah to take advantage but if they remain in position they're gonna

00:43:52.440 i'm not saying they're not gonna find other they're going to find different ways to subvert

00:43:56.420 the next piece of legislation yeah and you know i made a note because i thought the only thing

00:44:00.380 watching this whole thing twice which i have the only thing i thought was yeah where does ideology

00:44:04.880 fit because he talks a lot about operational problems and he talks a lot about perverse 0.98

00:44:08.240 incentives and boris johnson's got a stupid girlfriend and you know it suits this person 0.94

00:44:13.300 to do this thing for themselves that's negative but he doesn't talk about the ideology because 0.99

00:44:17.520 can you really have excellence if elitism itself is seen as if it's seen as elitist even have

00:44:23.140 hierarchies you know and then it's seen as inherently evil and inorganitarian so woke

00:44:27.460 basically and things like that go very deep so i do wonder cummings is talking about you know

00:44:32.540 excellence and elitism and efficiency it's like but do people even want that you know a lot of

00:44:36.140 these people they don't even want excellence i wonder people in the civil service probably not

00:44:41.380 no and i and i just wonder if the ideology is even deeper what do you do with these activist

00:44:45.860 judges who will use all this you could get a give them something perfect and they'll find a way to

00:44:49.780 subvert it as you say so that that is a problem um this last one's very funny because a guy pushes

00:44:54.980 back and he coming just gets really angry and he talks about um well you'll see basically this

00:45:00.900 bloke says to him well you're talking about going back to 18 pre-1850 and so on but it was very

00:45:06.660 different wonderful yeah well he said we had a world-spanning empire that sounds great yeah

00:45:09.860 Well, that's what Cummings says, but this guy says, well, politicians, ministers didn't have anything like the same responsibility, and it's much more complex.

00:45:15.420 And Cummings basically says, well, that's more need than to have responsibility.

00:45:19.040 I'm afraid I don't really understand your question.

00:45:21.660 Britain for centuries operated with ministerial responsibility being genuine, not fake.

00:45:27.140 Why can't we go back to ministerial responsibility being genuine?

00:45:30.180 Why can't we go back to the world in which Palmerston said, I'm in charge of the Home Office, and I'm actually in charge of the Home Office. 0.98

00:45:37.580 And if things go wrong at the Home Office, it's on me, but also it's on me to hire good people into the Home Office and to weed out duffers and to spot things going wrong. 0.89

00:45:47.340 All of these things are my responsibility. And if I can't do that, then the Prime Minister should fire me. 0.90

00:45:51.920 What's so complicated about that? That's the system under which the British Empire grew and took over much of the world.

00:46:00.400 Why can't we do that? Why can't we have that system back?

00:46:03.020 The executive that was operating at that time was not running a welfare system, not running a national health service, not engaging with citizens to the extent that so much parliamentary activity is now generated at the point of interaction between the state and the state.

00:46:16.340 But if you want a state that actually is running very complicated things like welfare systems and health systems and everything else,

00:46:23.620 it makes individual responsibility all the more important.

00:46:27.480 Look at the constant series of scandals, atrocious, horrific, nightmarish scandals you see across the NHS.

00:46:34.620 And what do people say about it?

00:46:36.500 No one will ever get fired.

00:46:38.440 And the people are right.

00:46:39.700 No one ever does get fired.

00:46:41.060 so your argument with respect i think is 180 degrees wrong if you want those things to work

00:46:49.020 you need more individual responsibility everywhere in the system not less so the problem the other

00:46:56.400 guy had is that people should do nothing against terrorist recidivism because it promotes welfare

00:47:03.840 i don't know the other guy was saying this is he was saying nhs welfare well no what you're saying

00:47:10.600 is that we can't have ministers who are taking responsibility for things because the government

00:47:14.600 is responsible for so many things and so many people as he was saying that interface with the

00:47:19.500 government it's like no that's that's all the more argument to have ministers who are actually

00:47:23.960 responsible for this sort of thing so cummings response was superb to be honest yes great yeah

00:47:28.240 no no i was speaking against the other guy oh yeah i know i know and we could end on that there's

00:47:32.900 there's one more after this where he says that keir starmer he says one thing you can't you can't 0.87

00:47:37.640 sort of legislate for is Keir Starmer and doing stupid things and he says that maybe we could just

00:47:43.100 play if you want this is quite funny I don't disagree with that what I'm suggesting is it's 0.95

00:47:47.980 a place on the system of ministerial responsibility alone the responsibility for protecting us against

00:47:53.520 abuse of executive power you're relying too much on a system which in which other interests prevail

00:47:59.560 and you can't ensure that it is protected what abuses of executive power are you worried about

00:48:03.740 What abuses? You're talking about abuses of executive power.

00:48:08.520 What sort of things are you talking about?

00:48:09.720 Using that power to discriminate in favour of one group in society as against others.

00:48:14.480 The what, sorry?

00:48:15.320 Using that power to discriminate against one group in society in favour of others.

00:48:21.320 There are many examples of abuse of executive power.

00:48:24.060 Use of the political system to preserve the executive in power.

00:48:29.900 there are many, I don't need to tell you

00:48:31.960 there are many potential abuses of executive power

00:48:34.140 I mean the responsibility

00:48:38.300 when Keir Starmer

00:48:40.100 gave a speech in January

00:48:41.380 last year and said

00:48:43.240 the real problem with the grooming gangs isn't the grooming gangs

00:48:46.340 it's Elon Musk talking about the grooming gangs

00:48:48.580 on X

00:48:50.120 right

00:48:51.480 disinformation from the top

00:48:56.260 of the British state

00:48:57.100 you could say that's an abuse of executive power who's responsible for that he's responsible for

00:49:03.220 that politically and an accumulation of such disastrous decisions is what did for him

00:49:07.940 but the idea that the civil service somehow can correct for that i don't really understand what 1.00

00:49:14.180 it is that you're suggesting you can't there's no system which is going to stop pms doing stupid 0.88

00:49:21.240 things sometimes mad things sometimes corrupt things that was funny just to get the pop in it 0.96

00:49:28.920 here starmer even though his previous rant was probably the best bit yeah so there you go

00:49:32.900 you've got to get an idea what it must be like being in the room with cummings like on the vote

00:49:36.620 leave or whatever just when he really went at that guy some old small bloke he's just going

00:49:40.440 what are you even talking about like he's like he's going to jump across the desk and smack him

00:49:43.940 but um anyway i thought it was pretty interesting a lot of the sort of cummings greatest hits but

00:49:48.240 with some extra new bangers about

00:49:50.200 Putin and et al, but it's not

00:49:52.180 very encouraging overall, is it? The only encouraging thing is

00:49:54.160 that this is happening and at least people are

00:49:56.080 listening to him and, I don't know, maybe taking

00:49:58.160 on board some of these lessons. Well, fingers

00:49:59.980 crossed.

00:50:03.400 Logan says,

00:50:04.100 from what I'm hearing, you could fire half the civil service and things

00:50:06.180 would get better. Well, at the moment, the civil service

00:50:08.220 directly employed by the government are about

00:50:09.860 550,000 people. The height

00:50:12.200 of the British Empire is something like 400,000 people.

00:50:14.700 Yeah, it was a tiny amount.

00:50:15.960 Of course, this is what people like Danny Kruger want to do

00:50:18.180 in reform and uh incompetent ministers is how you get one guy having five jobs so you saw that

00:50:22.960 the guy getting 350 grand a year because he's doing five jobs just complete scam sick of it

00:50:28.040 anyway so i thought i would talk about what i think we are moving into in bresden which is

00:50:34.060 something equivalent to italy's years of lead now for anyone who doesn't know this was a period of

00:50:40.000 between the late 1960s and late 1980s of intense political violence right left right violence

00:50:47.820 lots of assassinations, terrorism, bombings, attempted coups

00:50:51.960 I don't think we're going to get that

00:50:52.860 and it lasted from roughly 1969 to about 1988, 1989

00:50:59.480 and during this time there were 14,500 political acts of violence

00:51:05.900 with them peaking, with 9,600 of them being between 1976 and 1980

00:51:12.400 because this was of course a struggle between the fascists and the communists

00:51:15.860 in italy during the cold war and i say the fascists i mean they probably were in italy but

00:51:23.240 the the right and the left right is where it becomes essentially a kind of hot struggle

00:51:27.840 politically um between the left and the right and this i think is something that we're seeing now i

00:51:33.620 think this is what the terror attacks that we see indicate so i mean you'll know that of course mi5

00:51:39.160 are obsessed with right-wing extremists obsessed with it there aren't that many right-wing extremists

00:51:44.640 I mean, they do foil terror attacks, but, I mean, as they tell us in this, well, you know, extremists with anti-migrant opinions are becoming increasingly likely to consider carrying out terrorist attacks against immigration centres and asylum hotels in the UK, the head of MI5 was warned.

00:51:59.240 It's like, okay, if only the government could do something about that.

00:52:02.600 But, as Dominic Cummings just explained, they're intrinsically committed to politics that make the population feel that they're hated.

00:52:11.160 So, this is actually a predictable consequence of that.

00:52:14.640 um kevin mccallan says that a shift from a radicalized right-wing sentiment to violence

00:52:19.200 was the most marked trend okay well that's pretty bad if only our politics could reflect what people

00:52:25.580 have actually voted for over the past oh let's say 30 years then maybe this wouldn't be the case

00:52:31.560 yeah i mean obviously i'm not condoning any violence but it's a bit it's a bit rich when 1.00

00:52:35.200 these are illegal migrants so what you're doing is already illegal they shouldn't be here in any 1.00

00:52:40.400 any sort of hotel so you have no moral high ground obviously people lose a moral high ground if they 0.99

00:52:44.960 do horrible things but what are you talking about these are illegals it's in the name

00:52:48.800 yeah and uh no no no i need to apologize it's completely true um and he says on the evolving

00:52:54.740 extreme right-wing threat uh he says there's been an increase in cases where extremist vision

00:52:59.220 versions of anti-immigration and anti-muslim grievance are tipping into terrorist intent

00:53:03.380 intent such as planning attacks on migrants and muslims like yeah okay and again we are not in

00:53:08.280 favor of any political violence whatsoever. This was a predictable outcome, though, right? And as 0.74

00:53:14.180 they tell us on their website, I mean, they're just like, well, who do you think we spend a lot

00:53:19.240 of time worrying about? Is it left-wing anarchist and single-issue terrorism? No, it's a significantly

00:53:23.860 smaller portion of our casework than other forms of terrorism. Now, it's not a significantly

00:53:27.500 portion, significantly smaller portion of the terror attacks that are happening, but they do

00:53:33.380 spend a lot less time on it. And the example that we're going to use for this is, of course,

00:53:37.700 joshua kerry because last week he was in court and we got to find out some things about him

00:53:42.100 and this is the sort of guy that really you would think that would have popped up on whatever

00:53:48.560 telemetry they have for tracking terrorists because this this guy seems to allegedly seems

00:53:55.800 to have been a mental right so he's alleged to have murdered ann widdicombe after smashing a

00:54:01.580 skull in with a hammer in the middle of the day the prosecutor uh says that he is alleged to have

00:54:07.520 carried out online reconnaissance of prominent people and institutions including identifying

00:54:11.620 the home address of Nigel Farage. He apparently tried to break into Nigel Farage's home address

00:54:17.680 at one point and the inference is that an attempt was made to gain entry to the house because there

00:54:22.440 was damage on the doorframe of Nigel Farage's house. So I mean again all alleged by the

00:54:28.200 prosecution but the alleged CCTV footage and all that and the list the list that was released with

00:54:34.500 alleged targets, Rosie Duffield

00:54:36.940 maybe you're going to get into it, Pretty Patel

00:54:38.460 it was the most bizarre list, I was like, Rosie Duffield

00:54:41.040 but anything to the right

00:54:43.040 Rosie Duffield 0.97

00:54:44.460 she's not even on the right, she's just on one issue 0.97

00:54:46.760 she demurred on the trans issue 0.95

00:54:48.620 but

00:54:49.460 from the perspective of a radical leftist

00:54:53.040 that is the same as the right

00:54:54.840 Tom Tugendhat was on it, I mean the most

00:54:56.920 centrist bloke, it was the maddest list

00:54:59.140 of course the guy's mad

00:55:00.340 allegedly

00:55:01.160 but he's allegedly mad Andy Burnham failed to do yes yes unlike Andy Burnham we will admit that he

00:55:10.220 has not been charged yet but he is facing charges in fact a new charge of preparing terrorist acts

00:55:16.300 between May 2024 and July 2026 by carrying out research on targets traveling to and attempting

00:55:23.020 to gain entry to in particular the home of Nigel Farage now you know no one's going to accuse me

00:55:27.660 being a Farage sympathiser or anything, but we've already had multiple politicians murdered in this

00:55:33.280 country by Islamists, far-right and left-wing, appears allegedly, terrorists. So this is a real

00:55:42.940 problem that actually murder has become a part of the British political system. And MI5 and whoever

00:55:50.120 else being like, well, you know, we're not really focusing on that. No, no, no, no. You've got to

00:55:55.200 at the whole spectrum right every team is going to be producing terrorists at this point we just

00:56:00.640 had the anniversary of um sir david ames murder i was going to bring that up a bit later there

00:56:06.640 is also something the rationale behind this is very simple it's like extremists constantly try

00:56:12.800 to present themselves as being in a situation of self-defense yep and if you think that just

00:56:19.360 the very fact that someone disagrees with you means you're in a situation of self-defense and

00:56:25.360 therefore you claim you're justified in using violence then essentially you're you're a taking

00:56:30.880 bomb yes right so yeah they do have to take that into account and obviously leftism is playing

00:56:37.920 there a lot yeah but i think that's important to remember is i mean this guy just looks like

00:56:42.880 some sort of left-wing goonie redditor right this guy doesn't a person that watches hassan

00:56:47.840 piker yeah in the live chat he doesn't look like anything very important or special or noteworthy

00:56:54.080 or the sort of person you would think would be capable of horrific acts of violence but actually

00:57:00.260 when it came to dealing with what was 81 year old ann widdicombe yeah he was you know allegedly

00:57:05.380 so it seems that um these are real i'd say um these are real concerns right that they should

00:57:15.480 actually be taking seriously um in this one the bbc informers of the prosecutor alleges that he

00:57:21.060 had an extreme left-wing anti-establishment mindset and that this was ideologically motivated

00:57:26.600 politically motivated and was terrorism and it's like well yeah if he's found guilty of it it seems

00:57:31.820 that that would have been an accurate description of it right um so i thought we'd just talk about

00:57:35.940 some other terrorism that's been going on because actually there's a lot more left-wing terrorism

00:57:39.740 than you'd think but there's also a lot more right-wing terrorism than you'd think it's just

00:57:43.600 The media tends not to report on this that much for various reasons.

00:57:47.680 So, for example, you have here, and these are all in the last couple of years.

00:57:52.360 These are all in the last couple of years.

00:57:54.240 So you've got Jacob Graham, who himself was an anarchist who was found guilty of terror offences after declaring he wanted to kill at least 50 people.

00:58:05.460 He made 138 videos demonstrating how to make explosives and talked about Judgment Day, which is a strange turn of phrase for an anarchist to use.

00:58:13.100 But he produced a bomb-making manual

00:58:15.960 Called the Freedom Encyclopedia

00:58:17.340 And of course

00:58:19.000 Figured out how bombs were made

00:58:21.340 And then he concealed chemicals in a woodland

00:58:23.400 He was planning to

00:58:25.520 Blow up government buildings and politicians' homes 0.98

00:58:27.620 To kill at least 50 people 0.98

00:58:28.900 He was convicted in February 2024

00:58:30.600 13 years in prison

00:58:32.340 So he was convicted of a plot, not a terrorist attack 0.82

00:58:35.620 Here's another communist 0.80

00:58:37.980 Who was 0.79

00:58:39.120 Convicted of committing a terror attack

00:58:42.180 this was in 2025.

00:58:44.300 He was convicted in 2026, but he was

00:58:46.200 arrested in 2025. He's a

00:58:48.180 communist with militant pro-Palestinian

00:58:50.220 revolutionary politics.

00:58:52.020 Shock and surprise, exactly the kind of person you

00:58:54.100 think of, because everyone's in their echo chamber

00:58:56.200 saying the same thing over and over

00:58:58.240 and over. And he's like, well, it's a genocide in

00:59:00.140 Palestine. The evil capitalists

00:59:02.320 are doing it. The evil Israelis are doing it. 1.00

00:59:04.320 Therefore, I have to do something, or else 1.00

00:59:06.260 why would I think

00:59:08.180 of myself as a good person?

00:59:09.680 They get into these

00:59:12.080 really like dark places i suppose radical all or nothing it's yeah it's and and this is the

00:59:19.180 constant thing that many leftists are saying which is rousseauian fundamentally is unless

00:59:24.200 there are zero problems yes in in the world the world is hell but also if if my opponents are

00:59:33.420 allowed any kind of political freedom then that's an attack on me right like this this is why rosie 0.81

00:59:40.640 duffield would have been on the guy's list tomorrow right so well she's allowed to think

00:59:44.900 that trans women are actually not women it's like not on my watch and they're not he thinks

00:59:47.900 anyway so this guy um the police discovered a 50-page document outlining plans for a militant

00:59:54.420 organization called combat 227 intended targets for police and british military personnel

00:59:59.760 and he was a member of the communist party of britain and its youth wing he pled guilty in

01:00:04.600 2026 the sentencing hasn't taken place but it will do soon this was only like sentencing was

01:00:09.800 literally this month um but again that's that's just two very recent examples of far-left terrorists

01:00:16.880 who were just planning okay we need to mass murder a bunch of people politicians police officers

01:00:22.000 military whoever it is like right okay these people are real i mean one of them murdered

01:00:26.680 ann woodcombe it's so weird to say that ann woodcombe isn't with us but it's also so weird

01:00:31.120 to say right so some leftist allegedly broken house and then bludgeoned her to death in the

01:00:35.120 of the day like this this is very much years of lead territory we're in by the way that was

01:00:39.860 celebrated by many on twitter and then sometimes they found out she was murdered and they went oh

01:00:43.720 i didn't realize she was murdered now i feel a bit bad it's like you were celebrating her death

01:00:46.840 a minute ago i mean it's incredibly sick and some still did even after that so this is where we are

01:00:50.940 yeah and that's not to say that like i said far-right terror doesn't exist there's plenty

01:00:54.860 and again it's all very recent right so uh this this is a neo-nazi who stabbed someone stabbed

01:00:59.900 an Eritrean man at the Pear Tree Inn, which was a hotel that was used to accommodate asylum seekers.

01:01:05.800 He also produced a terrorist manifesto advocating violence against asylum seekers. He was convicted

01:01:11.240 of attempted murder, sentenced to life imprisonment. He did complete his terrorist attack, but the

01:01:15.620 victim did survive. You have a year ago, 2024-2025, three neo-Nazis were planning a terrorist attack

01:01:25.720 in england um they planned attacks against mosques synagogues and islamic education centers

01:01:30.540 that accumulated more than 200 weapons including knives crossbows and components for 3d printed

01:01:35.980 firearms and they were arrested in 2024 this one did get a lot more coverage i remember the picture

01:01:40.940 weapons and so on yeah it did um so they of course didn't uh manage to achieve anything

01:01:46.040 and then you have uh this one from 2024 as well and a chap called alex hutton who's extreme right

01:01:52.600 wing fascism racism and anti anti-lgb extremism according to the government uh he was his offenses

01:02:00.760 are encouraging glorifying terrorism and a violent assault on a transgender woman he distributed

01:02:05.720 extremist videos and material advocating violence against ethnic minorities and other groups he got

01:02:10.180 10 years in jail in 2024 uh convicted of terrorism and assault offenses although the assault was not

01:02:17.240 necessarily itself prosecuted as terrorism and then just another one again uh right-wing extremism

01:02:24.020 by alfie coleman attempted to acquire a prohibited fire alarm uh firearm sorry and approximately 200

01:02:30.600 rounds of ammunition for a terrorist attack he was using encrypted messaging platforms and extremist

01:02:36.140 online forums and he got 13 and a half years in april 2026 and just to be clear i'm leaving out

01:02:43.740 all of the islamic plots there were at least five islamic plots in the last two years that we know

01:02:49.800 about that we know about yeah that either happened or didn't happen because the uh the government

01:02:55.460 it ceded the fbi ceded which obviously good but the point being there has to be an understanding

01:03:03.560 in the political mainstream that the constant demonization of either side actually has

01:03:09.300 consequences yes and i want to add something to this because i think that this is a very important

01:03:14.420 subject and i'm really glad we are talking about it is that when we are talking about this extremism

01:03:22.200 and the the way it spills over into violent incidents obviously these people are responsible

01:03:29.580 you know i am very tough on sentencing and very tough on responsibility and of zero time we're

01:03:35.420 talking about you know it's the structure but weakness when it comes to governing and

01:03:42.260 including selective weakness of anarcho-tyranny is also something that is allowing this to take

01:03:51.300 place to greater extent than before because if you communicate that you aren't going to

01:03:58.540 uh be uh to police your side let's say in in in some respects that that's metaphorical but

01:04:06.960 if you don't show that as a political force you are going to take common sense seriously

01:04:13.760 you are going to be overrun by by crazy people yes the leftists and the democrats especially in

01:04:21.180 the u.s they've completely parted with reason they followed the deconstructionist you know 0.94

01:04:27.800 post-structuralist reason is philocentric oppression let's go on emotion so all they're

01:04:35.460 going to see is just they're going to look at an image they're going to say oh this is so so um

01:04:40.980 tear-inducing so i'm not going to have a country but the the problem that we have i think is that

01:04:46.560 the the left and right have diverged on an agreement on the legitimacy of the people

01:04:55.340 involved in the debates right and would come was lambasted as a racist in the media or a transphobe

01:05:04.000 whatever in the media over and over and over and he internalizes it right the bbc called reform far

01:05:10.000 right they now change a little bit but yeah look how absurd that was given the numbers of projected

01:05:14.520 votes for reform it's like everyone's just far right but the bbc did that but also yeah but

01:05:18.140 that's the point isn't it but then also i'm not saying on our side we don't have a similar problem 1.00

01:05:22.880 with saying, well, the migrants have no claim 0.88

01:05:28.420 or no right to respect on our side, right?

01:05:31.780 I don't want people to say, oh, you're just saying it's all left-wing.

01:05:34.080 I'm not saying it's all left-wing.

01:05:35.180 I'm saying this is everyone everywhere

01:05:37.380 is creating a bifurcation of politics into two warring camps.

01:05:42.640 And this isn't exactly new to say,

01:05:44.160 but it's very self-evident at this point, I think.

01:05:47.320 And the fact that MI5 are like,

01:05:50.820 yeah, well, the right-wing terrorism is rising,

01:05:52.880 Yes, because there have been a series of democratic votes that are not being honoured, and in fact there is an increasing feeling of betrayal in the British public generally, which is what Dominic Cummings was trying to get at.

01:06:05.280 I don't want to see terrorist attacks, I want to see the problem democratically solved.

01:06:09.320 Yeah, there's the death of the monoculture, there's echo chambers as you say.

01:06:13.720 The mainstream, what was mainstream, I talked to people in my football team, two of them thought Jacob Rees-Mogg should be in jail.

01:06:20.560 I'm like, what are you talking about?

01:06:21.700 i agree with them but not for the same reason exactly he's been annoying recently but this is

01:06:26.020 before that the point is even sort of normal normal normies with families have become incredibly

01:06:32.100 radical like pro-blm pro-antifa and stuff and so it's a radicalization of political

01:06:36.820 do you remember the meltdowns when trump won right there were so many meltdowns online people

01:06:42.180 genuinely same with brexit brexit in this country yeah brexit people thought this whole all or

01:06:46.180 nothing they think brexit voters were scum very normal respectful people thought these people

01:06:50.180 blood basically not human yes and so this is this is very hard and so this is why if nigel farage

01:06:55.220 gets milkshaked or attacked in some way they just cheer for it and it's like look i'm not a fan of

01:06:59.840 nigel farage but this is this should be off the table yeah again i knew people saying oh back the

01:07:04.760 bin it's like american's just been murdered and you're on about a bin and like oh it's such a

01:07:09.900 to try and mess with farage to be honest with you that i thought was the least harmful of it

01:07:15.260 yeah but there's the things that people choose to focus on you know you speak to sort of centrist

01:07:19.360 so-called, the sort of normie people that I know

01:07:21.540 outside of politics, they

01:07:23.200 just hate Farage, but they don't care that

01:07:25.580 Anne Whittaker's just been murdered. It doesn't really get registered

01:07:27.600 with them somehow.

01:07:29.200 That's exactly right. They don't really think of themselves

01:07:31.740 as essentially like citizens.

01:07:34.220 They think of themselves as partisans.

01:07:36.460 And I see this on my

01:07:37.560 Facebook feed all the time

01:07:39.880 where it's just complete normies who are just

01:07:41.760 saying stuff that's just...

01:07:43.720 So radical. Yeah, it's really radical.

01:07:46.080 They don't accept

01:07:47.540 that the opposition, in this case

01:07:50.220 mostly Farage, is like a

01:07:52.120 human being who has a legitimate right

01:07:53.980 to be able to engage in politics, to be able to

01:07:56.060 campaign safely, to not

01:07:58.020 have his life ruined, to not have

01:07:59.960 people around him murdered. They don't

01:08:02.000 see it that way. Look at the way he's jeered in Parliament.

01:08:03.780 I did wonder if Andy Burnham said something, because I saw him ask Andy Burnham

01:08:06.140 a question and he wasn't jeered. I was like, that's weird.

01:08:08.160 Because they normally just jeered Farage in Parliament.

01:08:10.200 And the same with Charlie Kirk.

01:08:11.980 I know a bunch of people on my Facebook page

01:08:13.660 who cheered, and I was just like, okay, that's concerning.

01:08:16.220 so but this this is what causes this kind of years of lead syndrome right you get the people

01:08:23.400 further out there most of those people are not going to do anything they're mouthing off on

01:08:26.260 facebook but then presumably there's a further wing and they're the radical well we we know there

01:08:29.960 are it's people like this it's people like this and you know as much as people online like say

01:08:35.300 well you're not voting you out of it no we are going to right we are going to use democracy

01:08:39.380 that's just the way it is going to be until you know that's just it right we are when people say

01:08:45.800 that's a bit annoying because it's just like an easy thing that anonymous people say to you in

01:08:48.840 your replies you're like what are you going to do then tough guy it's just the thing they're saying

01:08:52.120 to feel good for a second it's like exactly if it's if they've got like a a reasonable

01:08:56.760 structured point but they're mainly just mouthing off gone so yeah often anonymous yeah exactly and

01:09:01.320 they're just like they're boasting about nothing were you going to say something before i feel like

01:09:04.840 the first sign that the uh that the counter terrorist authorities have to take into account

01:09:10.840 is dehumanization yes if you if you look at left-wing rhetoric you will also find dehumanization

01:09:17.700 there it doesn't mean that just because well the word racist i was going to say the word racist

01:09:22.100 basically means you're not human to them yeah exactly and i've been making this point on

01:09:25.860 twitter the oh and for right this person's a racist this has got no place in in our politics 0.89

01:09:30.900 or in society it's like so what are we going to do throw him in an oubliette i mean chuck him off 0.99

01:09:35.480 the white cliffs of dover what are we just going to shoot in the street like what is your plan for 1.00

01:09:39.280 the racists you know so are we just going to kill them like is that what you're saying we're 1.00

01:09:43.420 accepting your premise their premise of racism which is basically 50 of people because everything's 1.00

01:09:48.720 racism to them anyway so it's a massively expanded definition and then you're all evil but okay like

01:09:54.400 it it seems like a very bold and righteous thing to say oh i'm a labor mp racism is no place in

01:10:00.660 our society right so you're saying they don't deserve political representation so now now that's

01:10:05.020 some citizens don't get political representation that's that's actually a crazy place to go for

01:10:10.960 the left wing for the liberal you know the liberal democracy the lib dems that you know

01:10:15.720 that sort of era okay you you've got to a position now where you've actually decided no some people

01:10:20.200 don't deserve political right then they'll talk about division yeah division's been a big problem 0.57

01:10:23.780 in this country when i want to end the division and by the way all these people are non-humans 0.60

01:10:27.120 yeah yeah like they're not they don't get they don't get to be part of politics they don't get

01:10:31.620 to be part of public life it's like right okay that's going to create further problems down the

01:10:37.060 road but also you're saying because i don't like those people's opinions they're not allowed in

01:10:42.400 politics well how is that anything other than just tyranny and if you were going to do it

01:10:46.320 you haven't done it evenly so there's never been right we hate fascists because of world war ii

01:10:51.880 and so on and we hate communists because of the bolster it's always like been no we love the far

01:10:55.660 left but we hate that one so you've tried to if you really were just saying right there's a very

01:10:59.160 narrow overton window but we all know it only stretches one way so that but even then how is it

01:11:05.440 that you have the authority to deprive a citizen of their right to engage in public life right

01:11:10.780 how is it you came by this authority and all it is is moral authority no i'm going to demonize you 0.98

01:11:16.580 and call you a racist so someone like this can break into your house and club you to death in 0.70

01:11:20.160 the middle of the day right that's what that is and it's like no i'm i'm absolutely sick of it

01:11:24.520 i'm absolutely done with it there are many stages in it and dehumanization is the beginning and

01:11:29.140 the point being

01:11:30.300 when someone calls

01:11:31.200 someone a racist

01:11:31.980 that should be interpreted 1.00

01:11:33.080 as I want that person dead 0.99

01:11:34.440 right 0.99

01:11:35.020 unless they can turn around

01:11:36.360 and say well there is

01:11:36.940 there is a place

01:11:37.960 in society for racism

01:11:39.040 unless they can say that

01:11:40.320 what you mean is 1.00

01:11:40.920 they should be dead 0.99

01:11:41.500 because what is the 1.00

01:11:42.280 difference in view

01:11:42.960 sorry between

01:11:43.640 your average Labour politician

01:11:45.320 and the people that do this

01:11:46.060 these people are more

01:11:46.960 he agrees with everything

01:11:48.220 but they agree a lot

01:11:49.580 they agree

01:11:49.940 I mean what was it

01:11:50.660 that Peter Tatchell

01:11:51.880 tweeted appalling things

01:11:53.100 about Anne Whitaker

01:11:53.700 she was a bigot 0.69

01:11:55.060 but she was a bigot 1.00

01:11:56.240 blah blah 1.00

01:11:56.460 they said oh sorry

01:11:57.160 I didn't realise she was murdered

01:11:57.940 it's like okay

01:11:58.740 but that

01:11:59.120 It doesn't excuse it, does it?

01:12:00.600 When he heard she died, he's like, yeah, but let's remember she was a bigger.

01:12:03.760 Oh, so then it's okay, what?

01:12:06.020 It's fine, she's dead because she's a big... 0.84

01:12:07.740 What are you talking about?

01:12:08.880 And he's like, oh, soz, I didn't know she was murdered. 0.99

01:12:10.900 Disgusting. 0.98

01:12:11.400 Sorry, Carl. 0.95

01:12:12.040 I just wanted to say that when it comes to the thing with the...

01:12:16.140 It's how you use a term.

01:12:18.060 It's if you consistently use the term racist to dehumanize someone.

01:12:21.700 Because presumably, we do need some...

01:12:25.420 Which they do when they say.

01:12:26.440 We do need some terms.

01:12:26.980 like for instance the communists they could say well no if you're using the term communism you

01:12:31.520 want me dead i mean they call themselves communists you know people in reform don't

01:12:37.620 call themselves racists you know so it's like okay i'm happy for people to use terms that people will

01:12:42.860 choose for themselves if it's accurate if someone really was a fascist and like yes i like mussolini

01:12:47.140 and here's why then you go okay but they call people fascist or not yeah i know this yeah i

01:12:51.480 know but you're saying that they could come back and say that but that's a perfectly fine litmus

01:12:55.300 just use the terms the people use for themselves yeah but that's also the

01:13:00.140 there is also the let's say the the trans debate which a lot which in which

01:13:05.340 it is portrayed as if you're gonna do this you're in favor of trans genocide

01:13:10.220 and obviously that's false because the whole thing is about no sometimes I can

01:13:16.240 use terms that are contrary to the self description of some people without me

01:13:22.100 wanting them to die all i'm just saying is i disagree with a part of your self-conception

01:13:26.840 such as if you tell me that you're the let's say the best footballer in the world i'm gonna say no 0.99

01:13:33.020 nick i disagree with that part of your self-conception it doesn't mean i want you dead

01:13:37.640 right right so anyway just to get back to the the data right so at the moment there are 275 people

01:13:44.480 in custody for terrorism and terrorist connected offenses in britain right that's the highest

01:13:49.480 number since comparable records began and higher than the peak which was previously in march 2026

01:13:55.320 which is 273 people right that's a lot of potential terror attacks that mi5 have had to

01:14:01.540 keep a lid on the majority of those in custody of course are islamists 29 are holding yeah

01:14:09.100 shock 29 hold extreme right-wing views and 14 are categorized as holding other ideologies

01:14:17.940 yeah yeah yeah communism anarchism all that sort of thing right and that's really interesting

01:14:23.460 because that's with the left being in charge even with the left in charge it's 14 of like the the

01:14:30.780 terrorists are still left-wing terrorists yeah because and they will just simply say then the

01:14:35.720 left isn't in charge because no one's ever left them exactly someone just posted was it i don't 0.87

01:14:39.960 want to quote anyone but there was a left-wing twitter account saying that burnham was a fascist

01:14:44.540 or stats for lefties i did want to say it but uh sorry i didn't i remember who it was i thought

01:14:49.240 getting into a debate but yeah everyone's a fascist to them yeah it sounds lefties does

01:14:54.120 do useful work actually i hate to say it and then there are people in the greens going caroline

01:14:57.900 lucas is a zionist shill and it's just like how much further left can we get didn't caroline lucas

01:15:03.140 used to work for right for socialist worker i'm pretty sure she did or like she's a morning star

01:15:08.680 she just didn't quite think she should go fully into the hating jewish people i'm not in favor

01:15:14.000 of wiping israel off the map says caroline lucas that's right you're a lefty uh you're a right

01:15:18.520 winger um anyway the the point being this is a rising problem in britain right like actual

01:15:25.120 terrorist attacks are killing politicians and this is a real you know issue and it's not obviously

01:15:31.900 not just politicians it's a real issue but when it starts hitting politicians is when you realize

01:15:37.400 okay this is actually really serious and like no that's not correct framing either it's obviously

01:15:44.400 really serious either way but like it's it's got to the point where the politicians themselves

01:15:48.140 aren't insulated from they're not even protected yeah what's been bizarre to me is even that hasn't

01:15:53.160 changed their mind so yeah you know even sir david ames is killed the guy scopes out michael

01:15:58.200 goes house but it doesn't really change it they're still doing the same stuff it's quite it's like

01:16:02.300 because there's a sort of cliche online oh well it doesn't affect them wait till it affects them

01:16:06.100 it actually is killing them and they still can't do anything

01:16:08.260 or won't. Won't and that's it

01:16:10.100 it's not that they can't, it's that they won't

01:16:11.780 so yesterday was the fifth year anniversary

01:16:14.060 of the murder of Sir David

01:16:16.240 Armis by

01:16:17.380 was he a Smiley or something

01:16:19.320 like

01:16:20.760 yeah it's an Islamic radical 1.00

01:16:24.120 just stabbed him to death 0.99

01:16:25.580 surgery in his constituency 0.98

01:16:28.240 and so okay well

01:16:29.600 this is something that's actually

01:16:32.360 like you say

01:16:33.460 it's getting regular people killed but it's even affecting the politicians and even to that point

01:16:38.100 they're all still kind of trapped in the bubble of the the sort of nature of bridge politics so

01:16:44.820 even now they're just like okay we're all getting killed but what are we supposed to do

01:16:49.460 yeah they talk about online safety but they don't address the real issue yeah and the real the real

01:16:54.420 issue is not recognizing the legitimacy of the other guy's claim and until we can recognize the

01:17:00.300 legitimacy of the other guy's claim i think we are in fact doomed to more years of lead and as

01:17:05.540 isli showed us this can go on for a generation this can go for 20 years although when it comes

01:17:11.380 to islamism it's it's a different problem it's not really yeah that's a slightly it's we've got

01:17:16.180 thousands of people i think if we knew the number it's so if we knew what was going on we couldn't

01:17:20.260 even walk around because there's so many being monitored yeah and that's because of immigration

01:17:24.220 and isn't this 50 000 self-loathing yeah something like that huge number it isn't only how much it's

01:17:30.000 going to last if that's what it is it's also what's going to come afterwards right anyway we'll leave

01:17:38.000 it there let's go to the video comments uh omar says i imagine it must be quite confusing for

01:17:42.660 normies who grew up inculcated in with propositional national uh national propaganda funding out that

01:17:48.440 there's a candidate running for senate in opposition to the proposition yeah you would i mean obviously

01:17:53.120 they don't think about it nearly that com in such complex terms but there's got to be some sort of

01:17:58.400 cognitive dissonance there, right? Even the most ignorant understand that prescribed terrorists 0.97

01:18:02.520 or extremist organisations don't believe in life, liberty and the American way. Well, I mean, this 0.98

01:18:07.080 is why he's doing so much to try and make it sound like he's not part of a family who supported

01:18:11.480 the Muslim Brotherhood. Anyway, let's go to the first one. It doesn't need to be said, but the

01:18:15.600 left is disingenuous and will use any tactic to win, whatever that may mean. For example, before

01:18:19.460 the Brexit referendum, no MP nor activist admitted the EU had faults, but during the campaign, they

01:18:23.460 said that it was better to reform the problems than to leave the club. Now, with the execution

01:18:26.600 of nadal hassan people are saying that they just don't want the execution live streamed but these

01:18:29.920 same people don't want the death penalty at all and when we talk about abolishing the death penalty

01:18:33.220 they admit that they think prisons themselves are too cruel notice how during the deportation of

01:18:37.040 illegal immigrants they kept screaming about due process but now the due process has been followed

01:18:40.620 they don't want the penalty enacted at all this also applies to lindsey clancy these people are 0.99

01:18:44.840 demons and as i've said before ignore them and do whatever you need to do no matter how much they

01:18:48.720 screech right now getting back to my point of not demonizing people i think calling people literal

01:18:55.140 demons is actually

01:18:57.080 not that great, right? 1.00

01:18:58.480 Like Baal. 0.69

01:19:00.240 Well, Baal was a Canaanite god.

01:19:03.120 Yeah. 1.00

01:19:03.900 So, I mean, a Christian...

01:19:06.120 Who will think of Baal?

01:19:07.060 A Christian would say that they were a demon, but 1.00

01:19:09.040 the point is, I actually

01:19:11.120 don't agree with just calling

01:19:13.220 our opponents demons. Don't get me wrong,

01:19:15.060 the things they want might be evil,

01:19:17.300 but they are...

01:19:19.060 Unfortunately, you have to accept them as

01:19:20.860 legitimate parts of our political environment,

01:19:23.380 and you have to win

01:19:25.040 through them either way right so and i mean it's not that you're completely correct on their

01:19:30.300 motivations and their deceptive way of trying to argue the point you're right they just want

01:19:37.560 the abolition of it i mean don't get me wrong i'm becoming something of a prison abolitionist

01:19:41.680 myself these days but it's only because i'm so in favor of corporal punishment like the flogging

01:19:46.520 yeah absolutely solution absolutely i'm so so yeah it's in prison why flog them be way cheaper

01:19:52.360 get the job done a lot quicker i bet they don't do it twice but yeah so i actually i actually

01:19:58.840 don't think demonizing people is a good thing um i think it gets us in places where we don't want to

01:20:04.500 be um can we not open that one for some reason okay can we go to the next video

01:20:10.100 um just to say though to to um to respond to the previous video that yeah i mean i i and i

01:20:21.300 completely agree with what you're saying but there is something really morally corrupt about

01:20:28.260 people like lindsay clancy obviously yeah yeah but you you didn't say you don't agree but it's

01:20:33.060 something it's way out of the ordinary even for crime well carl's talking about people

01:20:38.500 with a different view not brutal child murderers yeah yes yeah i mean if someone

01:20:43.060 strangles her own children to death that's a different story let's go to the next one

01:20:51.300 So, something that annoys me about a lot of BBC commentator types is that they'll always talk about how the conversation around migration is making melanoids feel very unwelcome.

01:21:03.120 Can we accept that? And I'll just say, so what? Do any of the things that you say or write about white people make white people feel welcome in places?

01:21:12.780 And obviously they'll say, well, white people shouldn't get consideration.

01:21:15.880 and i believe that it's very interesting that they're putting down the policy of some groups

01:21:21.020 not getting consideration as a policy choice we should keep that in mind yeah the only one that's

01:21:27.160 unfair there is paul eric kaufman with his book white shift which was making it yeah that was

01:21:31.200 actually yeah yeah good point i didn't even spot that um but yeah no i agree let's go to the next

01:21:37.320 one it is said that the discovery of an alchemist neither median nor augmented heralded calamity

01:21:44.440 For in that time, a centuries-long struggle over the jewels known as the Dark Tears reached

01:21:49.260 its zenith, and the Demiurge appeared in full force against the denizens of this galaxy.

01:21:55.320 Yet that same alchemist, remembered as the harbinger of terrible woe, stood upon the

01:22:00.080 front lines of the war against Oblivion.

01:22:02.520 His name was Sky Andor.

01:22:05.640 They called him the Silver Alchemist.

01:22:11.160 I guess that's Craig's new book.

01:22:15.140 Honestly, it sounded quite interesting, actually.

01:22:18.040 Anyway, let's go to some more comments.

01:22:20.280 George says,

01:22:21.100 An enemy at the gates is less formidable,

01:22:22.700 for he is known and carries his banner openly.

01:22:24.840 The traitor moves among those within the gate freely.

01:22:27.580 Cicero.

01:22:28.260 Yeah, now, again,

01:22:29.500 it's not that you're not saying something that's true.

01:22:34.240 The problem is, we end up in this position,

01:22:36.520 and I actually don't really want to get to this position,

01:22:39.800 because a lot of people end up dying.

01:22:41.420 and i really think we can fix things without having to get to that position

01:22:47.500 i'm very optimistic i've always been an optimist and i still am

01:22:52.720 so if he says i think cummings has been watching connor tomlinson which is based

01:22:57.960 i don't know if it's that i think what it is is the convergence theory of truth uh if something

01:23:03.820 is true then everyone happens everyone will end up converging on that point and uh being like yeah

01:23:09.900 There is such a thing as bad intellectual fashion, but I wouldn't say that Cummings is on that.

01:23:16.380 No, I wouldn't say that.

01:23:16.960 He's been saying the same for a long time.

01:23:17.680 He may have been watching the comedy, but he's certainly been saying the same things for a long time.

01:23:21.160 I mean, it's entirely possible. I don't know.

01:23:23.900 Henry says,

01:23:24.720 Had Starmer stayed, I would expect the government to do everything they could to prevent the next regime from getting anything done,

01:23:30.100 a.k.a. how Rachel Reeves planted several tax bombs in her last budget, e.g. pay-per-mile road tax for hybrids and EVs. 1.00

01:23:36.800 now that they believe burnham might do all right i wonder if they'll do the same man the budget is

01:23:41.000 in two weeks time and it's going to be a killer like just fyi if you thought the markets were bad

01:23:46.600 now imagine what they're going to be in like two weeks time there's some rumors that healy will

01:23:50.340 have to go against all burnham's socialism just so he survived which would be interesting then

01:23:54.860 then he won't survive his own party so i don't know god only knows yeah britain's parliament

01:23:59.280 is the greatest amount of sovereign power to wield if someone actually had the stones to do

01:24:02.780 it and yet the civil service have done everything possible to prevent things they don't like getting

01:24:05.780 done or them being ever held accountable for anything yes that is exactly correct in fact

01:24:12.040 emory again says one of the most radicalizing aspects of government bureaucracy is just watching

01:24:16.120 clarkson's farm yeah i know as if as if we didn't hate petty bureaucracy enough anyway

01:24:20.580 but watching uh what was the town the town council like yeah i can't remember which i'm watching that

01:24:27.580 much but i've watched it enough to get the idea of no no i've i've watched like yeah it's somewhere

01:24:33.040 in oxfordshire but there's a particular like local town council that is you can see it's just

01:24:38.820 jumped up petty bureaucrats and it's just like when when c.s lewis wrote screw tape proposes a toast

01:24:44.020 the sequel screw tape letters he has a demon saying it's great now that we a man in england

01:24:48.520 can't even chop his own tree down in his own backyard and it's like he's distributing that

01:24:53.440 to a literal devil because this is how much the english proper english people hate that kind of

01:24:58.840 bureaucracy yeah um clarkson wanted to expand his farm shop and set up a restaurant but the police

01:25:05.460 said he needed security lighting and but there's light pollution rules preventing such lighting

01:25:10.620 because he lived in an area of outstanding natural beauty it's a field you know i i grew up in this

01:25:15.260 literally i even need to watch clarkson's farm we grew up suddenly our house had to have all these

01:25:18.940 fire doors and all this kind of thing if you have a small business you get absolutely screwed by

01:25:23.440 this by regulation it's an incredible number hector says not sure if you saw it but more civil

01:25:29.660 servants lose their job because they die than because of firings yeah this is a perennial

01:25:33.920 problem with the civil service how do you get people out of it the answer is you wait that's

01:25:39.040 literally it yeah it's coming says like the prime minister's the only one that can actually do a lot

01:25:42.440 of this stuff but getting him to do it and that many firings this doesn't happen if we could just

01:25:47.660 get a base prime minister who just scuts the civil service zibidy says someone should make

01:25:53.000 a james bond parody film where he gets his license to kill retrospectively removed and

01:25:57.340 chased through the courts by human rights lawyers i mean literally make sure that the main main actor

01:26:03.200 on the human rights side looks like lord hermer and then that's just a perfect representation of

01:26:07.700 what is actually happening to the military right now that would be good like a more of a character

01:26:11.260 piece just is just it's like yeah how much he's in this long battle he's got he's got an injury

01:26:15.260 yeah he's in a long battle with lord hermer but no but you'd focus on hermer primarily right

01:26:20.940 he'd be the protagonist but they're like there'd be extreme amounts of time in lord hermer's mind

01:26:27.320 as in why is he doing this why does he hate them you know and you could you could make it

01:26:32.800 look like anything you know the human rights lawyers why are they so hateful to the native

01:26:37.540 population uh omar says diffusion of responsibility is almost an inherent flaw in democracy if one

01:26:43.680 person makes a decision it's easy to implement the consequences but if it's voters or worse a system

01:26:47.960 the finger pointing starts the problem becomes unfixable when blame cannot be placed on any

01:26:53.260 particular causes as everyone desperately avoids getting pinned for it yeah i mean that's that's

01:26:58.000 exactly the problem don't forget carl the antifar training center in ricky hatton's old gym in

01:27:03.560 manchester this was exposed last year i didn't even know about this and no one seems to know

01:27:07.900 about it i encourage you to find youtube videos by urban legend uk who infiltrated it yes that's

01:27:12.380 another thing is there are lots of training facilities at the moment for literally leftist

01:27:17.940 muslims and the far right because everyone can see that it's coming uh dreadnought logan says

01:27:26.140 from what i remember learning about the years of lead in italy i remember that it was the armed

01:27:29.360 forces that supported the right and the secret support services that supported it a lot i could

01:27:35.060 i think you mean the left there might be a typo i could be wrong on those um i'd have to go back

01:27:39.200 check off hand actually but sounds about right doesn't it um michael says the loudest people

01:27:44.700 talking about civil war assume this would be a quick and easy thing they don't comprehend that

01:27:50.440 you won't be civil warring nine to five and then go back home in the evening buy groceries and

01:27:54.000 kick back with a beer no it'd be house to house guns blazing people beaten and killed an entire

01:27:59.160 generation and we wiped out well again in in history it was nearly 15 000 people and it went

01:28:03.900 on for 20 years um and i think we'd probably get something similar to that where it'd just be

01:28:08.860 random assassinations of prominent figures,

01:28:12.020 prominent political figures,

01:28:13.560 which I just...

01:28:15.400 I mean, it's going to turn things pretty awful.

01:28:17.720 But again, what are you going to do

01:28:19.420 if the government is not going to actually address

01:28:22.140 any of the problems on both sides?

01:28:24.220 Then I don't think the centre can hold, frankly.

01:28:28.820 But things aren't that bad yet.

01:28:31.000 And I agree that things aren't that bad yet,

01:28:33.280 but the way that things are going

01:28:35.660 is not brilliant, I think.

01:28:37.360 hector says whatever happened to the scottish guy who stabbed the muslims that was memory hold

01:28:41.980 quickly um yeah oh the attempted murder charge in edinburgh was it yeah the one that starmer

01:28:50.820 commented on when it was ongoing and the way that he always tells us not to i think he's being

01:28:54.480 charged till last i heard let me google it because i can't remember i've had

01:28:59.800 yeah the 2026 edinburgh attacks so that was uh yeah uh five men received life-threatening

01:29:09.800 injuries that's why it's the attack charge who's the attacker why isn't wikipedia telling me the

01:29:16.100 attacker i don't know his name but that's really weird ongoing i think yeah but like you'd think

01:29:22.240 the person who has been a 36 year old scottish man was charged with the attack

01:29:28.940 but no name they're not identifying maybe that's really weird

01:29:32.760 why would they not name the guy that's really really bizarre but yeah i'd forgotten all about

01:29:41.240 that you're right that that did get completely memory old didn't it um

01:29:45.780 yeah and luke says when farage and you were being milkshaked i remember the bbc airing joe brand

01:29:53.940 saying, don't waste the milkshake, throw battery acid

01:29:55.840 instead. Yes, indeed.

01:29:58.220 Ha ha, that was incredibly funny,

01:29:59.940 Joe Brown. It was passed off as a joke, but even with my

01:30:01.780 11 plus years of comedy, professional

01:30:03.780 comedy experience, I couldn't discern what the joke

01:30:05.840 was. Yeah, where's the punchline?

01:30:08.380 Yeah. It seems to be a call for violence.

01:30:10.380 Call me crazy. Anyway, we'll

01:30:11.960 leave it there, so join us in

01:30:13.880 half an hour for Lads Hour, where we'll be defusing

01:30:15.920 a bomb. Otherwise,

01:30:18.080 have a great weekend, and we'll see you on Monday.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 16, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1529

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