The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1543

00:00:00.000 Hello, and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode 1543 for Thursday, the 5th of

00:00:11.960 November, Bonfire Night, 2026. I'm your host, Luca. My pleasure to be joined today by Beau and

00:00:17.640 Firas. Hello. And today we're going to be talking to you all about the media really struggling to

00:00:23.800 handle the rise of Restore. We're then going to be talking about the obsession with slavery,

00:00:30.000 both here and abroad, and then we're going to be talking about the repercussions to come

00:00:35.040 from the American midterms. So before we get into the first segment, just want to raise your

00:00:40.940 attention to the fact that there is going to be a special episode of Realpolitik next Monday,

00:00:46.040 where you're going to be having a conversation with Alra McIntyre. Yes, that is the plan. We're

00:00:51.240 going to be talking about the midterms and what happens in the States after the midterms on Monday

00:00:55.880 live at three so please join us yeah that's the first time hearing of that that'll be great

00:01:01.080 yeah yeah you're good if you spoke to him before at all a couple of times on his show so all right

00:01:05.400 okay i might bring it to my show all right so tune in it should be an exceptionally good episode

00:01:11.140 um all right with that all said then firas why don't you tell us about what the media are getting

00:01:16.260 so arsy about oh there's sort of the usual stuff that you expect all the time frankly from the

00:01:23.420 media, and they have the usual litity of hit pieces that are coming out constantly.

00:01:31.360 So Sly News came up with a video about the rise of nationalism and white nationalism.

00:01:39.580 They found a couple of people in Restore who have said objectionable things.

00:01:43.940 But eventually you tend to notice that the media will never, for example, look at Labour

00:01:49.380 or green supporters, their links to the violent thugs of Antifa, condemn their consistent use

00:01:55.620 of violence, mention their insane racism and hatred of whites. It's sort of the established

00:02:03.000 media narrative desperately trying to shore up a center that no longer exists. And we've seen from

00:02:09.860 the U.S. elections, which we're going to talk about, that the center is gone. The center is

00:02:14.000 absolutely gone. Either you are loyal to your people or you're out, essentially. This has

00:02:19.280 consistently become the message. So Sky News, I won't bore you with the video, they find a couple

00:02:26.060 of people who they raise objections to. But then they struggle, really, when people that they've

00:02:32.020 interviewed come up with very sensible sentiments, such as, we can't be replaced. There can't be-

00:02:39.200 Ghanu's like, yes, you can.

00:02:41.080 Apparently.

00:02:42.740 You know, they struggle to address the issue of demographic change in Britain

00:02:48.460 and the fact that people may object to it on very sensible grounds,

00:02:53.040 especially when you see, for example, that Rishi Sunak is an ethno-nationalist for India.

00:02:58.520 He will attend dinners for the Indian diaspora

00:03:01.680 and express his ancestral debts to people of Indian ancestry who have come to Britain.

00:03:07.240 And he won't mention Uganda.

00:03:09.100 He won't mention Kenya.

00:03:11.300 He won't mention East Africa, where his parents were born.

00:03:15.000 He will focus on himself as an Indian.

00:03:16.660 They won't mention that Kemi Bedanoch is an ethnic nationalist, except that she's that for the Yoruba.

00:03:22.460 And she will mention how other Nigerians are her ethnic enemies.

00:03:26.500 They won't discuss how reparations, which you're going to talk about, are essentially an expression of ethno-nationalism.

00:03:32.980 It is a particular group of people with particular characteristics making claims against another

00:03:39.580 group of people with other characteristics.

00:03:42.760 So you kind of see that Sky News is struggling with this whole thing and they don't really

00:03:48.280 have a way of addressing it.

00:03:50.080 The idea that vast swathes of the world, most of the world in fact, are not only allowed

00:03:55.220 but often encouraged to have an in-group preference, to have a tribe, ethno-nationalism, whatever

00:04:02.800 you want to call it but not us so if callum barker puts a sticker a restore britain sticker on a

00:04:09.160 that's well that's beyond the power that's the vile politics of division at that point yes yes

00:04:14.380 exactly exactly you look at the law in south africa it explicitly favors blacks you look at

00:04:19.060 the law in every african country it explicitly favors the people of that country you look at

00:04:24.600 the law in india you look at the law in china i mean who is more economically nationalistic than

00:04:29.580 China who is more ethnically nationalistic than China so it is the norm for the rest of the world

00:04:34.780 and they know that this is the case and when people on the side of restore make the argument

00:04:41.580 that actually Europe is for European people you see clearly that the media doesn't have a counter

00:04:48.300 and then I've watched that video just before you go on I've watched that video on sly news

00:04:51.340 I haven't heard it called that before that's quite good I like that I might start using that

00:04:53.900 I found it online, a lot of people call it.

00:04:55.500 That's quite good.

00:04:56.420 I watched that video and it's two pathetically weak moral weaklings

00:05:02.060 hand-wringing, pearl-clutching about nationalism.

00:05:06.240 I mean, ethno-nationalism is far beyond power,

00:05:09.860 but even just nationalism, there's some nationalists.

00:05:13.380 It's so pathetic at this point.

00:05:16.280 Prevent, characterise cultural nationalism as a form of extremism.

00:05:20.780 Okay.

00:05:21.080 So you are an extremist if you say that I think that Christendom has produced the greatest culture in human history.

00:05:28.940 That is cultural supremacy.

00:05:30.800 If you say that there is something unique about Britain, about England,

00:05:34.080 that has allowed it to justifiably end up with a huge empire,

00:05:38.340 whoa, you are far right now.

00:05:41.260 And you look at the Middle East and it was never better than it was when under European rule.

00:05:45.300 So it's kind of embarrassing. It's kind of sad.

00:05:47.960 but you see the telegraph continuing with this whole theme of regular hit pieces against restore

00:05:54.540 one after the other after the other and the latest that I thought that I would pick out

00:06:00.640 was from the 2nd of November just a couple of days ago explaining how Rupert Lowe believes

00:06:07.320 that millions must go sensible position they they never make the argument that it is fair

00:06:17.240 and right and just to have half of London's social housing occupied by foreigners.

00:06:23.700 Nobody ever makes the positive case for why this should be so.

00:06:28.700 Why should it be that the Pakistani community, which can, at the drop of a hat,

00:06:33.160 literally any individual man can call 20, 30 of his relatives to come and join him in a gang rape,

00:06:39.400 why should they be in Britain?

00:06:40.680 Why should a community like that be anywhere outside of, you know, a containment zone where no one else is allowed?

00:06:47.800 They don't make the positive case.

00:06:49.760 The only case that they can make is far-right, extremist, how dare you,

00:06:56.040 all of this very haggard, very tired, very old, very pointless moralizing from people with no morality.

00:07:04.840 And you see the media constantly struggling with this.

00:07:08.120 But the most interesting struggle has actually come from the far left, weirdly enough, and the new statesman.

00:07:15.820 So I thought I'd pull up a bunch of pieces about Restore from the new statesman.

00:07:20.660 And the first one is, I think, from April, yeah, the 3rd of April, 2026.

00:07:25.680 And Rupert Lowe and the rise of zombie politics, the stable socially rooted party system of the post-war period is being washed away by a new volatility.

00:07:35.760 They try to explain it a little bit, that society has changed,

00:07:39.720 that labor can no longer represent an industrial working class

00:07:43.140 because no industrial working class exists.

00:07:45.640 They mention that labor, for the first time,

00:07:48.360 got more votes in 2024 from the managerial elite

00:07:51.920 than from people who work with their hands.

00:07:55.400 But they don't really have a coherent view as to why this is happening.

00:08:00.680 And they just relegate it to, well, there's social instability

00:08:04.340 without explaining clearly that mass migration naturally produces social instability.

00:08:10.420 I mean, when you transform the population of a country,

00:08:13.740 do you expect society to remain stable?

00:08:16.180 Why would you?

00:08:17.220 What precedent would you have to make the case

00:08:20.180 that mass migration and transforming the demographics

00:08:23.720 by 20, 30 percentage points in a generation

00:08:26.700 is going to result in social stability?

00:08:30.540 And they would accept this in any historical case of colonialism?

00:08:34.780 That a European coming in to another nation would change?

00:08:41.140 They accept it for any, they accept it for South Africa.

00:08:44.900 400 years ago the whites went there, that destabilised South Africa.

00:08:48.540 They accept it for everywhere.

00:08:50.680 They just don't accept it for Europe.

00:08:52.460 Here we're not allowed to notice and if you do, you're the problem.

00:08:55.240 What is zombie politics?

00:08:56.780 This article passed me by, surprise, surprise.

00:08:58.660 What is zombie politics?

00:09:00.540 What are they even talking about?

00:09:01.440 What they mean is that the two main parties are kind of zombified.

00:09:04.960 Okay.

00:09:05.380 Because previously the Conservatives represented a deep social base

00:09:10.300 expressed in the local associations of the Conservative Party

00:09:14.120 and it was a badge of identity that you belong to the Conservatives

00:09:17.720 and the same was true for Labour.

00:09:20.200 And this meant that there were two social groups,

00:09:22.920 large segments of society competing.

00:09:26.860 Whereas now the Greens are representing a bunch of the Labour former voters

00:09:31.420 and a bunch of the newcomers.

00:09:33.280 Labour is struggling because it doesn't really represent the working class.

00:09:37.160 The Conservatives don't know where they fit in anymore.

00:09:39.780 And why would they with people like Kemi Bedanoff in charge

00:09:42.760 or, you know, formerly Jenrick, formerly Braverman, that whole...

00:09:47.500 Just another way of saying the centre has crumbled.

00:09:50.460 Just another way of expressing that.

00:09:51.880 Precisely. Precisely.

00:09:53.160 And you see the struggle continue, explaining how restored voters can't stomach Nigel Farage, and I do wonder why.

00:10:03.640 This was in August, I believe, after Rupert Lowe made a reconciliation effort, or maybe that's the one afterwards.

00:10:12.880 Anyway, there's one of the articles missing here, by the way, Harry.

00:10:17.980 And what they are explaining here is how, essentially, Restore has taken away a decent chunk of reform voters.

00:10:28.720 They explain in this graphic here that the percentages for their right in reform haven't really shifted very much between May and July.

00:10:39.320 In many cases, the right increased, but essentially reform took away a bunch of votes from reform

00:10:50.360 as they increasingly found that just Nigel Farage wasn't that credible, that really you couldn't trust him.

00:11:00.520 And they say, as fun as the idea of someone doing to Farage what he did to the Tories,

00:11:05.100 I can't help but shake the feeling that this is nonetheless an extremely bad development indeed.

00:11:11.380 Extremely bad indeed.

00:11:13.300 Restore's policies include banning not just the burqa and niqab, but halal and kosher food,

00:11:19.020 defunding the BBC and allowing it to wither on the vine,

00:11:22.240 the abolition of the asylum system, and a program of mass deportations.

00:11:27.660 It is not to defend Faraj's party to suggest that the mask-off version might be worse.

00:11:32.220 A more imminent danger than the outlandish possibility of restore winning actual power is that of a reform leader who feels under increasing pressure to say the quiet part out loud.

00:11:44.820 The quiet part being that the English are a unique ancestry and are a unique group.

00:11:51.500 Right.

00:11:51.780 As are the Scottish, the Chinese, the Edo in Nigeria, the Yoruba in Nigeria, the Igbo.

00:12:02.560 These people are actually unique groups.

00:12:05.480 It's revolutionary.

00:12:06.600 Don't say the quiet part out loud.

00:12:08.140 Bo, were you thinking of saying the quiet part out loud, sir?

00:12:12.320 No, no.

00:12:13.640 No, sir.

00:12:15.260 No, sir.

00:12:15.940 Not on this podcast.

00:12:17.400 I insist.

00:12:19.080 Anyway.

00:12:19.440 And then they go on to explain how the rise of Faraj may have pulled the Tories to the right after 2014.

00:12:26.000 It didn't stop them winning.

00:12:27.920 What if the threat from Restore pulls reform even further towards unashamed nativism?

00:12:34.420 Islamophobia?

00:12:36.340 Is there anything to be afraid of?

00:12:37.520 Well, there's nothing native about Islam, is there?

00:12:40.180 But is there anything scary about Islam?

00:12:42.460 Can you think of a particular incident that would make you worry about the rise of Islam?

00:12:49.440 think many rape rape gangs uh what's that place called the second city manchester

00:12:58.240 i wonder why people might have some concerns about islam what should the gaza mps worry you

00:13:04.080 no don't be islam but as well all of this right they can do all if they want and write all the

00:13:09.200 pieces they want bemoaning the rise of restore britain but the fact of the matter is that the

00:13:13.920 the Uni Party for decades now, had every opportunity, had every opportunity, if only for its own

00:13:21.620 self-preservation, to actually hit some of these points, to just address, to just discriminate

00:13:29.160 on the fact that, even if they, obviously I don't advocate for it, but if they'd have said,

00:13:33.940 okay, we hear what you're saying about the social tensions in your communities,

00:13:37.720 all of those radical Islamists that are constantly at Speaker's Corner, yeah, they'll go.

00:13:43.480 by all of the people involved in the rape gangs yeah yeah they'll go and the

00:13:47.300 button who knew but there was never who they could anything they never gave a

00:13:51.400 single concession nope to the native population talk about a mask off moment

00:13:56.600 like there where they just throw in the word nativist as though it's a

00:14:00.460 pejorative as though there's something wrong and evil about nativism yep I mean

00:14:04.960 they just sort of says it all right there doesn't it you cannot be a people

00:14:09.720 you cannot have an in-group and all of those things you do not exist you're not

00:14:14.880 allowed but he else yeah but of course but everyone else can but you are a

00:14:19.080 mongrel race I can nativism itself there's an umbrella terms I'm read a

00:14:23.820 concept all of it is wrong-headed and evil and vile like I don't think so

00:14:29.160 policy no nobody criticizes Malaysia all of Malaysia's economic policies and I

00:14:34.380 all of indonesia's economic policies are focused on improving the status of the malays and of the

00:14:42.300 native communities which is only right the default position it's the default position it's only

00:14:47.420 natural and right the abnormal position is no no human beings are fungible you're just a cog you

00:14:54.540 will fit in anywhere and the machine will perform exactly the same that's the perverse extremist

00:15:00.060 position. That's the extremist position. And they don't have a defense against it other than these

00:15:07.180 endless slurs. Well, they've always banked on the fact, haven't they, that they've never had to have

00:15:12.400 a defense against it. They've never had to descend from the ivory towers to actually talk to the

00:15:18.160 plebs. And they explain how increasingly, in a third piece, Restore Voters Can't Stomach Reform,

00:15:26.960 They explain that, really, reform are stuck.

00:15:33.000 They can't win an election without the base, which is going to go on the streets and leaflet and campaign and do all of the dirty, heavy lifting of elections without having the support of restored voters.

00:15:52.640 It's not going to happen.

00:15:53.920 Right, and when they say, when Richard Tice came out and gave a comment like, oh, we don't associate with that lot, what he's also saying is, we can win without your vote.

00:16:02.760 Yes.

00:16:03.120 And now they're finding out the truth of the matter, which is that, no, you couldn't.

00:16:07.300 Yeah, exactly.

00:16:08.180 Well, reform's appeal has been increasingly squeezed, shall we say.

00:16:14.400 If you're a reform activist or considering voting reform, you've got a couple of different options.

00:16:20.840 could either go Tory Tory boy safe or you could be nativist and go restore and so reform is

00:16:29.560 increasingly a smaller and smaller slither yes of of a world view of a way of thinking

00:16:35.480 way of looking at politics increasingly squeezed from both sides and that's exactly what I was just

00:16:39.900 about to say and that the polls do seem to reflect that there's people like okay restore are far too

00:16:45.180 far right for me and reform are far too a bit too far right for me I don't necessarily agree with

00:16:49.820 Nigel and Zia so I'm going back to the Tories or the other way or the other way these these are

00:16:55.200 milk toasts if not weaklings I need a bit of I need a bit of low in my life exactly exactly and

00:17:01.460 so reform does seem to be getting squeezed the accusation that they're just the till Tories

00:17:06.340 the Tories 2.0 is just more and more and more evident is that going to create a broad enough

00:17:12.920 base to win a general election outright well doesn't look like it does it what they say here

00:17:19.220 in in one of these articles i can't find which one is that every uh a couple of points in the

00:17:23.860 polls for uh restore can cost reform 20 seats which is just it's it's it's um it's a threat

00:17:33.540 to their survival because it just is because they're not but but that that banks on of course

00:17:40.500 me caring about the survival of the careers of people like nadine dories well not just that

00:17:46.420 part of the issue is that it is good that reform is collapsing now before it is in power oh yes

00:17:52.460 because it would have done a trump if it got in power yeah and which is to abandon the base

00:17:57.420 completely say we don't want those lot etc etc well if i may as well and this is so important

00:18:04.040 to the point that for a time it just really did seem like nigel farage was the only option and

00:18:10.140 it didn't matter destined to win it didn't matter what he did it didn't matter how much he watered

00:18:15.280 down his rhetoric he was always in a position where he was the only option because zero seats

00:18:20.740 we have to double tap the Tories yep but at the same time there was this thing of like okay

00:18:26.040 well it would be easier to deceive myself it would be easier to just pretend that Farage was the

00:18:33.280 answer and that okay at least he gets something done but then you get to a point where it's like

00:18:38.620 look, I'm not dedicating the next five years of my life advocating for a man who I know is going

00:18:45.340 to betray us at the end of it. We'll do the hard work. If it's going to be done, it's got to be

00:18:50.740 done properly, and we will just start from scratch. And that's exactly what we've done, and you can

00:18:55.460 already see how far it's going. And this is where the most recent piece from the New Statesman

00:19:00.600 comes in. And they've given it an unflattering title, Nigel Farage's Bastards, How Reform,

00:19:06.560 how the reform leaders spawned a new generation of far-right opponents.

00:19:11.240 They have to say far-right, but as they end up half-admitting by omission in the article,

00:19:18.260 there's nothing actually that extreme about the positions of restore.

00:19:21.600 It's just milquetoast nationalism.

00:19:24.940 It's just loving your own people more than you love strangers.

00:19:27.980 It's literally back to first principles.

00:19:30.060 The default human setting.

00:19:31.120 Yeah. And so they start with an online interview with Basil the Great.

00:19:37.380 Really?

00:19:38.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:39.180 Get out, Basil.

00:19:40.180 And basically, a friend tells him, you'll never guess what Faraj has just said.

00:19:46.560 He said that mass deportations of illegal migrants were impossible.

00:19:51.020 This was the famous interview with Stephen Edgerton,

00:19:53.400 where it became apparent that Faraj was going to give up on some of the core ideas

00:20:01.020 underpinning reform. And then it goes on to express how, on the issue of

00:20:08.040 deportations, talking about hundreds of thousands, it's impossible, it's

00:20:11.540 literally impossible. Afterwards, Faraj has another interview where he says

00:20:16.020 that we can't win by politically alienating the whole of Islam. And this

00:20:22.620 is where Restore comes in, because it sees the necessity of this battle, because

00:20:27.620 it sees that it is happening whether you like it or not you have gaza mps running around in

00:20:32.040 parliament you have the islamists taking over the green party and using it as a skin suit

00:20:36.460 and you have civil conflict heading towards you if nothing is done and they don't have any answer

00:20:43.680 to that no and it is remarkable as well for all these people especially you know people like

00:20:48.500 nigel farage who are obviously big churchill fans to to constantly invoke you know the villainy of

00:20:54.060 chamberlain and and the policy of appeasement to come out with rhetoric that is just appeasement

00:20:59.340 saying no we just need to appease them until they take over they've already won there's nothing we

00:21:04.200 can do about it play devil's advocate the reform supporters will say well that edgerton uh interview

00:21:10.600 is a couple of years old now and they've the the reform policy is a bit more hard line than that

00:21:16.520 now nigel did walk that back to some extent since then yep but under duress well and he hasn't gone

00:21:26.200 he certainly hasn't gone full nativist or full nationalist or anything like that though has he

00:21:31.000 he he doesn't admit the fundamental point which is clearly admitted in restore policies which is

00:21:38.360 that the english have a unique claim to england like danny kruger for example was very clear

00:21:42.520 about it not that long ago wasn't he exactly exactly and when he talked about wales if you

00:21:46.760 come here and you you live here for five years yeah so and by extension that those here all

00:21:53.400 foreign backgrounds are here by our grace exactly exactly exactly if you're not english you're a

00:22:00.120 guest in the same way that i would be there at the grace of the chinese if i moved to china

00:22:04.040 however many decades i lived there exactly and we saw that with the expulsions of a bunch of

00:22:08.920 of people from china after the communist revolution won there was a pretty big european community in

00:22:13.500 shanghai it doesn't exist anymore that in the now there are different businessmen operating there but

00:22:18.820 it doesn't exist in the same way we saw that anyway let's go down in lebanon for us if i went

00:22:24.280 to lebanon and said i'm more lebanese than you now i've lived here for five years paid taxes i've got

00:22:29.400 a clean criminal record i am as lebanese as anyone else in fact more lebanese actually

00:22:33.180 The Palestinians have been in Lebanon since 1948 or 1967.

00:22:37.200 They have no voting rights.

00:22:39.340 There is zero chance of them getting voting rights.

00:22:42.120 There is zero chance of them getting citizenship.

00:22:44.760 Selectively, Lebanese Christians allowed a few Palestinian Christians to become naturalized.

00:22:52.040 The Lebanese law doesn't allow a Lebanese mother to pass on citizenship to her daughter or son

00:22:59.700 in case a Palestinian man married a Lebanese woman

00:23:03.060 and tried to get naturalized that way.

00:23:06.820 So it is about...

00:23:08.640 Whereas if you're a foreign woman and you marry a Lebanese man,

00:23:13.680 I think it takes less than a year to get the wife a passport.

00:23:17.760 It's patriarchal, hierarchical, no nonsense,

00:23:22.600 and still we have a massive problem.

00:23:25.360 So it's just a degree of honesty is always welcome.

00:23:29.100 But I want to talk about this article.

00:23:30.840 I know we're a bit short on time and I might go a little bit over.

00:23:32.900 That's all right.

00:23:33.320 Feel free.

00:23:34.040 Feel free.

00:23:34.580 Forgive me.

00:23:35.040 Yeah.

00:23:35.360 But this is important because for the first time, rather than using horrifying language

00:23:42.640 to try to scare people away from Restore, actually the description is mostly accurate

00:23:48.460 and mostly fair-minded.

00:23:51.020 Yeah, I've read this piece.

00:23:52.800 I actually really enjoyed it.

00:23:54.360 Yeah, exactly.

00:23:54.780 I found it very well written.

00:23:56.280 Exactly.

00:23:57.380 The description of Rupert Lowe is that he's a man who's very saddened by what's happened to this country.

00:24:06.400 Yes, if you aren't saddened by what's happened to Britain, there's something wrong with your soul.

00:24:11.580 I mean, look at what's happened.

00:24:13.460 Just go to East London.

00:24:15.360 It looks like Bangladesh.

00:24:16.680 If that doesn't break your heart, where is your heart?

00:24:19.760 I do hate it when they do that.

00:24:21.180 Like someone will go on Newsnight and talk about, you might get someone like Zia Yusuf or someone and talk about how bad it is.

00:24:26.200 like you seem very angry you're like yeah yeah i'm angry yeah yeah so it's a completely normal

00:24:31.560 thing it'd be weird if you weren't angry or felt sorrow or something that would be weird

00:24:37.400 very angry come on now yep uh the young men of restore are described as follows they dress

00:24:45.000 formally and call each other patriot the same way a leftist might say comrade their references span

00:24:50.840 the old testament marcus aurelius and the video game skyrim they have a trollish streak but many

00:24:57.960 are christian and morally serious they advocate marriage and fret about degeneracy they are

00:25:04.280 sterner than their online personalities suggest i'm proud of being associated with men like that

00:25:11.560 however tangentially so that's very nearly a ringing endorsement yes these are the kinds of

00:25:16.440 people as a father i should be associated with as a father i want to be like them and this is exactly

00:25:22.120 what it is and you combine that with uh dominic cummings recent comments about the reputation of

00:25:26.680 rupert lowe as just a trustworthy man a man that when he gives you a handshake will honor his word

00:25:31.800 as well it just everything just seems to point towards people and restore being of

00:25:35.960 good character contrast it with sleazeballs like cameron like uh tony blair like

00:25:43.400 like Starmer, like Boris, like Zahawi, like the rest of this crew.

00:25:51.080 Okay, where's the problem here?

00:25:54.460 Where's the problem?

00:25:55.740 One supporter, Will Colzell, speaks to this reporter and says by message,

00:26:02.760 our nation is suffering the most abject spiritual poverty.

00:26:06.820 Yes, there is something spiritually amiss.

00:26:09.560 This is why a third of Zoomers have been aborted.

00:26:12.540 This is a spiritual and material crisis.

00:26:15.560 This is bad.

00:26:16.800 This is objectively bad.

00:26:20.040 People are being arrested for praying outside abortion clinics.

00:26:24.700 This is madness.

00:26:25.880 Silently.

00:26:27.240 Silently.

00:26:28.720 As a consequence of status political oppression,

00:26:32.360 such that it is engaged in a decades-long death spiral,

00:26:35.720 the true suffering of which cannot be properly articulated.

00:26:39.980 Yes.

00:26:40.900 Well put.

00:26:41.340 Yes.

00:26:41.600 well put, exceptionally well put

00:26:43.960 there's a good man

00:26:45.460 chapeau, very well said

00:26:48.000 there is something profoundly wrong

00:26:49.800 if nationalism or nativism

00:26:51.720 are just simply derided

00:26:53.720 as out and out evils

00:26:55.140 you don't need to justify or explain why they are

00:26:58.020 they just are, yeah there's something wrong there

00:26:59.920 something profoundly amiss there

00:27:02.140 or moral clarity

00:27:03.620 or wanting to be a faithful

00:27:06.060 husband, a good father

00:27:07.640 concerned about degeneracy

00:27:09.600 All of the articles, the Telegraph, just pump out about cheating, encouraging cheating and adultery.

00:27:16.940 I'm much happier because I cheated on my husband. What is wrong with you?

00:27:20.740 Yes, it's mental.

00:27:21.880 These people are sick.

00:27:23.260 Anyway, the article says, in some ways these men don't seem to matter.

00:27:27.860 Restore stands little chance of winning more than one or two seats in Parliament.

00:27:31.040 We'll see about that.

00:27:31.940 Or no.

00:27:32.580 Their brand of politics and identitarian obsessions bear little resemblance to the country at large.

00:27:37.200 according to any serious study.

00:27:40.600 Now, hold on.

00:27:41.600 I just want to re-emphasize this point.

00:27:44.240 The Muslims in Britain are all identitarian.

00:27:47.460 The Indians are identitarian.

00:27:49.060 The Windrush.

00:27:49.700 The Sikhs are identitarians.

00:27:51.720 The Africans and the Afro-Caribbeans are identitarian.

00:27:55.120 What do you think is meant by reparations?

00:27:58.000 It is one identity claiming that a different identity owes it an ancestral debt.

00:28:03.500 it is inherited guilt and it is a collective claim so i was about to say collective responsibility

00:28:11.460 oh when it's the other way around that's a real thing but if we ever say anything along those

00:28:16.240 lines or evil evil exactly exactly uh this brand of ethno-nationalist rhetoric might still be

00:28:22.360 marginal but it dominates online conversations but it doesn't just dominate online conversations

00:28:27.820 This is important here. It dominates the conversation amongst the people who are serious

00:28:33.920 about politics and political ideas. It may not dominate the conversations on every Friday night

00:28:40.980 in every pub, but among those who are politically active, yes, it is the dominant conversation.

00:28:48.160 This is much more than online because this is the recruiting platform from which activists

00:28:54.020 will be coming. So don't underestimate them, is what I would say. And then it goes on about

00:29:01.260 how all over Europe, actually, ethno-nationalism is surging, with the IFD in Germany, with

00:29:08.960 Le Pen in France, with Zemmour in France, who is even more to the right of Le Pen, etc.,

00:29:17.880 et cetera. So they just don't have an answer to this. Fundamentally, there's no answer to this.

00:29:26.360 There's a very good description of Carl Benjamin, who some of you might be familiar with.

00:29:30.840 Doesn't ring a bell.

00:29:31.780 No, no. As having become an elder statesman, because a lot of the men who formed the core

00:29:39.080 of Restore actually came through the Lotus Eaters. So you can all congratulate yourselves and give

00:29:44.760 give yourselves a tap on the back and thank you to our audience yeah really for supporting us so

00:29:50.380 that you know these kinds of people can come around it's coming together just keep pushing

00:29:55.880 exactly we're breaking through this is the reason why kemi badenock is asking questions about

00:30:00.920 identity at tory conference this is why reform are now finding themselves dragged into it as well

00:30:07.220 it's because we just all of us collectively just keep pushing and saying no we're not accepting

00:30:12.760 anything less than dragging you to look to the table to have this conversation because this is

00:30:18.740 ultimately about the fate of well an ancient civilization yep the last thing that i wanted

00:30:25.780 to read to you restores policy ideas are also shaped by a group of men all 20 something close

00:30:31.280 friends and hungry for power the online rights favorite and preferred choice for a deputy leader

00:30:35.880 is charlie downs the party's 25 year old campaign director and spokesman some friend says that he

00:30:41.680 wanted to rule the world i mean was the world better when britannia ruled the waves or was it

00:30:48.060 it was much better let's be just a bit of honesty guys a bit of honesty here anyway uh they go over

00:30:57.140 his career and and uh and things like that and mention lewis brackpool exposing all kinds of

00:31:04.220 insane corruption within the state exposing the extent to which the state exists to benefit

00:31:09.880 foreigners but they just call that he's the head of investigations digging up dirt on topics such

00:31:16.260 as asylum contracts well there's there's a whole lot of dirt to be had in there he wouldn't be

00:31:23.020 digging up dirt if there wasn't dirt exactly exposing the truth might be another way of

00:31:27.280 putting it yeah also exactly exactly uh they mentioned harrison pitt seen as the most

00:31:33.640 intellectual of the group their fourth friend is conor tomlinson a podcast who has written policy

00:31:38.780 papers for the party but does not have a formal role these men christian state school educated

00:31:44.940 are unknown outside of the online right but that's changing very quickly i'll add yet they

00:31:49.820 have become some of the most influential people in right-wing politics yes because they're dragging

00:31:55.560 the conversation across the entire spectrum to where it should be to where the conversation

00:32:02.900 should be and they're pointing out that there is a general norm which is and christians express it

00:32:11.340 as the order of love your first loyalty is to god to your family to your neighborhood to your

00:32:18.720 region to your nation to your people at large and then to the world there's an order here the rest

00:32:25.560 of the world obeys this order these men as christians see that order and they think it is

00:32:31.720 insane to actually give preferential treatment to Somalis in Britain. This isn't revolutionary.

00:32:38.400 This isn't far right. In Somalia, Somalis will give their own tribes preferential treatment

00:32:44.000 because they're not a nation. They're a collection of tribes. All over the world, this is how it

00:32:49.900 works. You give your people preferential treatment. There's a sense of justice that's established in

00:32:56.360 much of the West, which says that that preferential treatment has to be bounded

00:33:02.080 by obeying God and therefore competence matters. That's the revolutionary bit,

00:33:08.020 but this has been taken to such an extreme extent that actually I'm gonna

00:33:11.300 go look for competence in Ethiopia. You're not gonna find as much as you

00:33:16.320 think you'll find. And the word nativist becomes a dirty word. And the word

00:33:20.120 nativist becomes nonsense. So they did Charlie, they did Harrison, Lewis, Connor,

00:33:24.440 Did Big Josh Firm, the Furminator, get a shout-out?

00:33:26.960 I don't think the Furminator got a shout-out.

00:33:28.720 Oh, well, I'll give you a shout-out.

00:33:30.540 Good work, Josh.

00:33:31.600 Don't forget Josh.

00:33:33.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:38.300 Now, finally, the far left is having to contend with these ideas

00:33:42.000 and present them a little bit fairly.

00:33:44.100 They still try to drive a knife here and there.

00:33:46.840 They're still trying to discredit, restore.

00:33:49.780 They will not stop any time soon.

00:33:52.040 No, no, no.

00:33:52.840 But this evolution in their narrative and the way that Restore has forced everyone to take serious ideas seriously,

00:34:03.840 the way that they forced everyone to acknowledge basic reality about human nature and identity and the nation and how the world actually works,

00:34:12.840 really deserves an enormous amount of credit.

00:34:15.840 So for The Telegraph, for Sly News, you can keep coming up with hit pieces.

00:34:20.840 Don't stop. And please, Telegraph, don't stop telling your audience why cheating is good, really.

00:34:27.840 It does you a lot of credit, and it shows how morally serious you are.

00:34:33.400 But the far left in the new statesmen have been forced to admit that reality and moral seriousness is coming from Restore Britain,

00:34:41.100 and there is going to be a lot more of that coming forward. Get ready.

00:34:46.960 Wonderful. On the Rumble rants.

00:34:49.200 Final point, it's funny to notice stating the obvious

00:34:51.580 that Nigel Farage's bastards

00:34:53.340 are entirely of his own

00:34:55.520 creation. If he hadn't have treated

00:34:57.440 Rupert like naval

00:34:59.340 lint, Restore simply would

00:35:01.400 not exist today.

00:35:03.160 It's entirely of his own

00:35:05.480 creation. From the old world, isn't it?

00:35:07.060 It was a different way forward.

00:35:09.700 Habsification says, Reformant Farage

00:35:11.280 tried to recreate MAGA in Britain

00:35:13.540 when they should have gone low.

00:35:15.900 That's the random name, says, I genuinely

00:35:17.500 believe that the only reason i'm not included in the hope not hate reports is because uh you refuse

00:35:22.220 to read my messages yes we do it for your own good random name that's quite right uh 20 thank

00:35:28.060 you from uh hero uh sanichiban who says our lads are competent that's why the um all they cry about

00:35:35.900 is them being young uh never that they are wrong proud of them all absolutely and uh hapsification

00:35:42.300 also says make adultery a crime yeah we can dispute all of these things after we win um

00:35:48.620 all right then well i mean okay so ladies and gentlemen it feels like because it does uh that

00:36:00.180 every single year we have to go through the rigmarole of talking about slavery in this

00:36:04.540 country about britain's role in slavery about the legacy of slavery about how it's affected

00:36:10.500 nations from the commonwealth and about how we despite trying to put 40 percent of our national

00:36:19.980 budget into abolishing it making sure that all of the um the slave masters were obviously paid for

00:36:25.760 it and freeing the slaves and making sure that it was done in a way that didn't engender such

00:36:31.280 violent upheaval as that which you had in the haitian revolution that rather the peaceful way

00:36:37.520 that we tried to go about it was not good enough and ultimately even though the abolitionists

00:36:43.060 defied human convention at the time and it was something truly unique all of historic convention

00:36:50.400 yes uh to do all of this it will never be enough and despite the fact that we constantly hear

00:36:57.000 year on year oh well if we just get a national apology for it a national apology it's like well

00:37:02.380 look at the end of the day people going back all the way to prince albert have expressed sorrow

00:37:08.540 about britain's participation in it this isn't about an apology this is about money tony blair

00:37:15.420 did apologize this morning i saw someone on sly news say tony blair came close to an apology in

00:37:21.740 2006 or something now i seem to remember him apologizing for it seem to remember that i remember

00:37:26.780 something so um but it's you're right it's just not on about an apology you could apologize

00:37:31.740 over and over and over and over again it's not about that is it it's not even really i think

00:37:36.220 it's less about gibbs about some sort of final cash lump sum it's about an intergenerational guilt

00:37:43.500 it's about a giant guilt trip but it's it's a cudgel that gets used against any

00:37:50.780 identitarian claims that you may make oh did you forget about slavery that's what it's about

00:37:56.220 Because, you know, you still owe us morally, financially, something.

00:38:01.100 Isn't it an ancient concept, even a biblical concept,

00:38:04.780 that a son isn't guilty of the crime of the father?

00:38:07.880 It is very much a biblical concept.

00:38:09.260 And that civilization needs to have that.

00:38:13.500 Yes.

00:38:14.180 Because otherwise you get a people,

00:38:15.540 you collect your responsibility against the people forever.

00:38:18.320 So there are two, in the Bible, there are two things that are expressed.

00:38:21.940 for a crime you may not punish a man for the crimes of his father for certain societal sins

00:38:31.540 that escalate to a certain point then the entire people is punished for several generations

00:38:37.300 so it's there is a difference between these two things but in terms of if slavery was a crime

00:38:45.120 the punishment doesn't go down the generations and certainly also in the bible if you do what

00:38:53.940 is righteous that goes down the generations and freeing the slaves was a righteous and be

00:38:59.560 a uniquely christian idea the muslims when they were spoken to about abolishing slavery

00:39:05.900 they said no it existed since the time of adam it is normal we will uphold it how could you ask us

00:39:13.440 to do something otherwise right but but also as well the demands are never made to african nations

00:39:18.820 demands never made to the ottomans or to the turks to the to the arabs or anything of the kind how

00:39:23.940 often is ankara lobbied for reparations for the ottoman slave trade because it doesn't you don't

00:39:30.480 hear about it very often do you because it doesn't matter how much international pressure you could

00:39:34.900 exert on them you know the answer would always be no but with britain and with europe because of our

00:39:42.440 uh moral weakness and just the sort of um joy that the um the establishment elite get out of

00:39:53.480 prostrating themselves before foreign nations and before foreign people they're always open to it

00:39:59.060 and so you get just less than a week ago Andy Burnham writing in the Guardian saying British

00:40:03.320 people can't be made to pay for the wrongs of slavery but we must confront our complicated

00:40:08.160 history. I thought we've been forced to confront it over and over and over again, repeatedly,

00:40:12.340 where suddenly... Half the education system is precisely about confronting complicated history.

00:40:16.680 Have we not been forced to confront it over and over and over again? Whereas the history is a lot

00:40:20.800 less complicated. This was the righteous nation that ended it. But this is the thing as well,

00:40:25.060 it's like every single time, like, okay, also, not only am I not going to apologise, but my sympathy

00:40:32.820 for maybe eventually apologising

00:40:36.000 disappears because you guys

00:40:37.900 just show constant amnesia

00:40:39.780 every other year

00:40:41.540 and decide that no apology

00:40:43.240 actually ever took place

00:40:44.680 when this is just not the truth.

00:40:46.780 Can I just quickly mention,

00:40:48.440 can I do a little bit of a shill?

00:40:50.260 Super quick shill

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00:40:56.840 Do you think on there

00:40:57.680 I've got long-form content

00:40:58.960 about the life and career

00:41:00.020 of William Wilberforce?

00:41:01.160 Do you?

00:41:01.440 brilliant there you go and that for my next trick yeah excellent there you go that's an interesting

00:41:10.020 and actually interesting bit of context a lot of people may have heard of the name of william

00:41:13.260 we've heard of the the late 17th oh sorry late uh 18th century early 19th century abolitionist

00:41:19.180 movement probably probably don't know about it in any real detail so if you want me announcing

00:41:23.240 conversation with uh that carl benjamin fella yeah oh yeah so i think that's actually an

00:41:27.540 interesting interesting video it's worth a watch it is and i'll actually i'll come back to talking

00:41:31.320 about it in just a little while. But essentially, for the sake of time, I'll just say one of

00:41:35.880 the things that Burnham and the Labour government, the reason that they're dragging this back

00:41:41.240 up again, despite the fact that we have the whole cultural revolution of BLM, despite

00:41:46.080 the fact that we're just constantly giving foreign aid out throughout the Commonwealth,

00:41:50.200 despite the fact that King Charles himself, as I'll get to here, he ended up, he's been

00:41:57.440 going on the commonwealth tour around the caribbean apologizing for the complicated history of it all

00:42:02.600 well all of these things will just continue indefinitely because they smell blood in the

00:42:08.540 water and they want the weakness of it now i do actually want to play this clip from sky news

00:42:14.860 where they were saying that um well what would a slavery apology mean to black britons and they

00:42:20.740 say um well andy burnham says he's open to it and so let's just hear what they have to say shall we

00:42:25.520 on a walking tour of Caribbean history in Brixton in South London because Britain appears to be on

00:42:32.380 the cusp of making a formal apology for slavery. The Prime Minister has been talking about it,

00:42:38.640 writing about it in the newspaper. He says slavery still shapes our world today. Andy

00:42:43.960 Burnham says he's open to hearing calls for a formal apology from Britain and I'm asking what

00:42:50.460 such an apology would mean to people here?

00:42:53.700 An apology from, formatively, we're talking about from the king, possibly, as the head

00:43:03.740 of state, for me would mean the beginning to repair some of what had gone wrong.

00:43:13.260 It's an acknowledgement and stop denying that everybody now accepts that it's happened

00:43:18.640 and that people suffered and people continue to suffer.

00:43:21.580 I think it's about time, do you know what I mean?

00:43:23.840 The Queen's gone and we've got, like, someone left

00:43:27.060 and I think he should do it.

00:43:28.760 It would be a great...

00:43:29.720 I'll leave it there.

00:43:31.140 So, the entire point is just that these are people

00:43:34.100 who are just going to take, take, take.

00:43:35.940 There is no actual limiting principle to this.

00:43:38.480 There is no, okay, we've extracted enough.

00:43:40.400 Now, as you heard the man at the beginning saying,

00:43:42.300 it would be a beginning.

00:43:43.820 And I just want to make a point as well, especially for...

00:43:46.560 Tell me what the end is.

00:43:47.560 As Sky News here characterised the black Britons, I just want to make the point, unlike America, that obviously has an African-American population because of all of the plantations and the slavery there, no one who is black in Britain is here because their ancestors grew up as slaves in Britain.

00:44:03.260 everyone who has an African background is here of their own free will and we know this because it

00:44:09.480 is our founding myth about the Windrush generation that they came over and introduced diversity to

00:44:16.140 Britain right so that's the first thing the other thing as well is obviously to go back to your

00:44:21.920 segment Firas everyone is just out for their own this is just pure racial loyalty and when they

00:44:29.500 say black britons it's like okay so there is a distinction between that which is the interests

00:44:34.300 of black people in britain and those who are traditionally native white british right there

00:44:40.220 is just different interests here we know there are different interests because when the government

00:44:45.200 model their immigration policy they specifically ask people who have visas and not the domestic

00:44:51.500 population so all of these things come to be and everyone understands this but nonetheless it

00:44:57.840 doesn't obviously stop the united nations doing what they do best and just lauding it over us the

00:45:02.860 fact that we have to constantly atone every year that goes on for this thing that happened over

00:45:08.520 200 years ago as the gravest crime against humanity and again this is all being done by

00:45:16.200 as it says here the resolution proposed by ghana ghana never had slavery obviously african nations

00:45:23.280 never had it. It wasn't like when the Portuguese turned up in Africa, long before the English

00:45:30.320 got there, that there were already very well established slave trades throughout the continent.

00:45:35.860 Isn't there the slave trade today? Aren't there slave markets on the earth today? In

00:45:43.460 fact, aren't there more people enslaved today than there were in the 18th century?

00:45:47.820 Yes, there are.

00:45:48.440 Which countries do that? Out of interest, which countries?

00:45:53.280 lot of the people enslaved today are actually ukrainian and other eastern european women

00:45:59.040 used as sex slaves in brothels up and down the world including in the third world

00:46:05.760 um mauretania they still have 25 of their population as slaves

00:46:12.960 they were still slaves where's the outrage about that who's going to apologize for that

00:46:17.360 who gets gives off the back of that obviously there's slavery in china in india all over

00:46:22.160 of sub-Saharan Africa today, today.

00:46:24.220 Libya, after Gaddafi fell, they re-established slave markets, so, and the way that this is

00:46:31.880 framed, transatlantic slavery was the gravest crime against humanity.

00:46:35.840 Sure.

00:46:36.840 Why not the Arab slave trade?

00:46:40.700 Why not the Korean slavery?

00:46:42.280 I recently learned that Korea had 1500 years of continuous slavery.

00:46:46.500 Why not that?

00:46:49.160 Vietnam had it, China had it, India had it, Bangladesh had it.

00:46:54.540 Anglo-Saxon Britain had it.

00:46:56.240 Anglo-Saxon Britain was, it was a slave society.

00:47:00.220 There were Irish slaves in the United States.

00:47:01.020 The ancient Romans, the ancient world, the ancient Romans.

00:47:04.600 It's actually been, you've had more slavery than not in human civilization.

00:47:09.360 But this one, this one.

00:47:11.320 That's the worst.

00:47:11.860 That's particularly, it's the gravest.

00:47:13.720 Yep.

00:47:13.900 The gravest crime against humanity.

00:47:16.440 Yep.

00:47:17.320 Sure it is, sure.

00:47:19.160 Right. So all of it comes down to what I'm trying to say with this group of sources is between international pressure through institutions such as the United Nations, through the rising demographics of people from African backgrounds growing up in Britain, who are ultimately the voters for the Labour Party and are still very, very loyal to them, and ultimately down to people like Kay Burley, who just want to feel good about themselves by...

00:47:48.160 By wasn't she community noted? Yeah, she was. Yeah. But for the sake of time, I don't really have to go into it. The point was that it was a Portuguese and a Dutch colony, this one. Anyway, the thing is, the thing is that this is just going to keep going. And King Charles is now going over to the Caribbean, as I said, and he's given a speech at Antigua.

00:48:10.380 and one of the things that I'll just quote him here he says history is not ours to choose or

00:48:15.060 to change it is bequeathed to us in complex synthesis by forebears we can can never know

00:48:21.260 our inheritance includes both their achievements and their failures the good they did as well as

00:48:26.700 all the wrongs history can be hard to compass views as it viewed as it is through the prism

00:48:32.560 of time which can be both clarifying and distorting and yet its consequences resonate with contemporary

00:48:38.840 force. Our history inspires us, can appall us, yet it can also teach us, and we cannot change the

00:48:45.660 actions of those who came before us. We can, however, learn from the past. The transatlantic

00:48:50.680 trade in enslaved persons still cast a shadow over these islands and other members of our

00:48:56.980 commonwealth. As I have said before, that shameful chapter of history is one that fulfills my heart

00:49:02.540 with horror and my soul with the most profound personal sorrow and yet history also teaches us

00:49:08.880 that evil need not have the last word that character and courage can be combined to overcome

00:49:14.200 the most monstrous injustice as they did with a determination to end international slavery

00:49:20.400 and enslaved peoples in which the royal navy played such a leading role and you know what

00:49:26.380 it's measured as diplomacy goes it's measured i'm not going to browbeat him about it like it would

00:49:32.100 be so easy for clicks and engagement but the fact of the matter is it's pretty measured but sorry

00:49:37.800 go on there wasn't much there he said that i would disagree with no right i mean if it were up to me

00:49:42.460 if i was in charge of policy these people would get the cold shoulder they'd get school and derision

00:49:47.600 and slight regard and nothing else but if you are going to make a statement along those lines

00:49:51.700 everything he said there's perfectly reasonable and you know what as well i believe from charles

00:49:55.720 it's sincere and talk about teaching the future yeah how about the life of william wilberforce

00:50:01.560 and the British abolitionist movement of the late 18th century.

00:50:05.440 Can the modern slaving nations learn anything from that?

00:50:09.520 They're not interested in that, it seems.

00:50:11.140 No, I suspect not.

00:50:13.500 But nonetheless, this is not going to obviously stop the Labour Party pursuing it.

00:50:18.580 Now, I want to make it clear as well that a lot of this seems to be predicated on the soft power

00:50:26.460 that Britain projects across the world.

00:50:28.820 And they see a lot of the Caribbean Commonwealth nations still hanging this over us.

00:50:34.200 And as I say, Charles can apologize as sincerely, as heartfelt as he may there,

00:50:40.260 and talk about the complexity and also say about the heroism of the Royal Navy, etc., etc.

00:50:45.000 But that's, again, it's not what they're after.

00:50:48.620 They're after sponging us for every penny that we can send to them.

00:50:53.660 And Miliband can say, well, slavery apology will not bring the cost for UK taxpayers. Well, we already know that Burnham is giving the Caribbean £40 million and prepares to apologise for Britain's role in the slave trade.

00:51:09.340 So, okay, it's £40 million that is to go to some sort of climate change, environmental defences, etc, etc.

00:51:17.740 Now, to me, that seems a lot like getting a gift card and just being told, there's your money.

00:51:22.840 It's like, okay, but I wanted the cash, right?

00:51:26.200 I didn't want it to spend it on what you're telling me.

00:51:28.660 I wanted the cash so I could...

00:51:31.280 So, have you ever tried to offer a homeless person some food?

00:51:34.480 Yeah.

00:51:34.680 And they're like, oh, no, I want money.

00:51:36.280 I want money for drugs.

00:51:37.340 Yeah, right, yeah.

00:51:37.860 plus 40 million pounds

00:51:39.820 there's 40 million pounds we don't have

00:51:41.660 we're in debt to the tune of

00:51:43.440 3 trillion pounds

00:51:44.920 and growing by 120 billion every year

00:51:47.480 we haven't got 40 million pounds

00:51:49.340 just to be throwing

00:51:50.180 we know we don't have 40 million pounds

00:51:53.440 to spare because we cut

00:51:54.940 30 million pounds

00:51:56.780 to suspend war games and training

00:51:59.460 for the army

00:52:01.000 for the military

00:52:01.700 so we're cutting that

00:52:04.580 but in order to appease

00:52:06.980 the soft power of the commonwealth and just how important it is it's just oh gosh i hate the

00:52:12.820 commonwealth as a concept so much it's just this this post-colonial residue that allows britain to

00:52:19.700 masquerade on the on the world stage like we're still in any way really important in the grand

00:52:26.020 scheme of things when at home things are a disaster things are worse than ever and yet

00:52:32.660 we're trying to appease these people who i mean it's not even to mention as well if we're going

00:52:39.220 to talk about it's like okay well what do we owe it's like well you know what i actually think

00:52:44.580 after after the post-war era we've already paid in in the lives in welfare in in becoming second

00:52:51.940 class citizens in their own home over the countless numbers of africans we've let in over dinghies

00:52:58.820 Just the way that our leaders, in their benevolence, have turned my country, our country, into the whore of the world.

00:53:09.360 And yet, we're told that it's still not enough.

00:53:13.360 That there's more we can do.

00:53:15.020 That there is, we can bow lower.

00:53:17.960 Yes.

00:53:18.940 This is what it is.

00:53:20.060 It will never be.

00:53:20.720 It is a humiliation ritual.

00:53:22.400 It is a humiliation ritual.

00:53:23.960 because the correct approach is to say slavery was the universal human norm we freed you you

00:53:32.260 freed them be grateful that that's the only that's the only thing to say a bit of gratitude please

00:53:39.100 a bit of gratitude this would not have happened under any other empire be grateful early 19th

00:53:46.220 century abolitionism you're welcome you're welcome for that exactly that's the only appropriate

00:53:51.920 response you want an apology get it get it from somewhere else get it from get it from the people

00:53:58.820 who sold you onto the ships forget it yes yes but the other the other thing to add as well is that

00:54:06.160 the entire argument rests on the idea that well because of the the sheer scar that it left on our

00:54:13.200 people and our nations we've not been able to rebuild ourselves in 200 years we've not been

00:54:18.880 able to create successful societies. It's like Bekele managed to turn it around in two years in

00:54:24.040 El Salvador from one of the worst most barbarous states on earth into something that now is getting

00:54:30.980 mass investment and where people walk around with safety and plenty. And he's being welcomed into

00:54:37.060 Haiti. Yes. And the public is welcoming him into Haiti. As a liberator. As a liberator. It's truly

00:54:42.640 truly pathetic to claim that I don't know off the top of my head somewhere like Jamaica it's

00:54:47.600 current problems as a nation is still in the shadow of late 18th century slavery.

00:54:56.260 Really? Pathetic.

00:54:58.540 Look at how Malaysia has industrialized.

00:55:02.540 Look at how Taiwan and East Asia and all of these places have industrialized.

00:55:08.140 Look at what they've achieved.

00:55:09.000 In 1950, Sudan and Korea had the same living standard.

00:55:13.500 People forget this.

00:55:15.160 In 1950, Sudan and Korea had the same living standards.

00:55:19.440 Look at them now.

00:55:21.400 So this is, and Sudan is, the name Sudan is like stan,

00:55:27.580 that is the Arabic suffix that is attached to countries, with black.

00:55:33.460 Sudan translates as black stan.

00:55:35.900 This is how the Arabs saw it.

00:55:38.800 Okay, so, and it wasn't a source for the transatlantic slave trade.

00:55:43.860 It was a source only for the Arab slave trade.

00:55:47.000 So Blackstan and Korea were at the same living standard.

00:55:52.520 Two, three generations, look at them.

00:55:56.340 Is it the legacy of the Arabs?

00:55:58.120 Does anybody in Sudan say that it was Islamic slavery that holds them back?

00:56:02.420 No.

00:56:03.880 Okay.

00:56:04.960 Moving on then.

00:56:06.700 The Arabs, like King Faisal, he had a Sudanese.

00:56:11.260 have to have a really tall massive Sudanese slave as an Arab was like a

00:56:15.160 mark of that you've made it in the world if and I don't think Saudi Arabia

00:56:19.480 abolished slavery to I think the 1960s 62 62 or 64 no one's asking for no one's

00:56:27.380 asking for an apology from the House of Al Saud still photographs of the slave

00:56:31.180 market in Saudi Arabia yeah I'd say there's photographs to find them of fires

00:56:35.380 of Versailles with his giant Sudanese slave there's photos oh yeah it's in

00:56:40.180 recent memory it's in living memory actually yeah absolutely um and so i i'm just tired of being

00:56:46.700 forced to retread this conversation over and over again as we have to indulge just things like

00:56:52.320 notting hill carnival on our streets the desecration of our history being told that we

00:56:57.260 were always diverse just constantly finding ourselves legislated into being second-class

00:57:02.480 citizens in our own home it's like whatever people think the british owe them we have paid it

00:57:11.100 with the suffering of our own people for many decades now and it is only getting worse as time

00:57:18.440 goes on but nonetheless the uk agrees to talks on harms of the transatlantic slave trade but prime

00:57:26.520 minister rules out reparations so if i go towards sorry i should have scrolled this earlier if we

00:57:31.700 towards the bottom of this document here we'll find that it goes on to say if I go here we are

00:57:41.860 repertory justice recalling paragraphs 21 and 22 of the Samoa communique of 2024 in Appiah we agreed

00:57:50.900 the time had come for meaningful truthful and respectful conversation towards forging a common

00:57:57.620 future based on equity. We note the development made since then included the adoption of the

00:58:04.080 United Nations General Assembly Resolution, declaration of the trafficking of enslaved

00:58:09.160 Africans and racialized chattel enslavement of Africans as the gravest crime against history,

00:58:14.500 humanity, the one I cited earlier in the segment, as well as other initiatives undertaken by the

00:58:19.520 African Union and the Caribbean community and other partners to advance the repertory justice

00:58:25.900 agenda and restitution of cultural heritage. We welcome the agreement of the government

00:58:32.500 of the United Kingdom to engage in a structured, time-bound, inclusive and good-faith dialogue

00:58:40.140 with affected parties addressing the transatlantic trafficking of enslaved Africans and its historical

00:58:47.000 harms. So now the British government is going to go into a time-bound negotiation to basically

00:58:53.380 do whatever it needs to do to get these Caribbean nations to turn around and say, oh, all right,

00:59:00.280 we'll play nicely now on the international stage. There is a perhaps apocryphal quote attributed to

00:59:06.440 Muhammad Ali after the rumble in the jungle when he went to Zaire, and supposedly he was asked by

00:59:13.440 a journalist after he returned to the United States, what did you think of Africa? Allegedly,

00:59:19.760 he said i'm glad my granddaddy got on that boat yes i'm familiar with that one thomas sowell

00:59:27.120 makes similar points sometimes yeah and i just think that you know it is um

00:59:35.600 not for nothing that on average aside from a few very corrupt presidents and and their families

00:59:43.360 the richest africans in the world are the africans who are in the west

00:59:46.080 that that has to be acknowledged if you're going to force people to have this conversation

00:59:52.740 they will have this conversation be careful what you wish for

00:59:56.360 obviously this was not the correct response by the government uh shockingly the correct response

01:00:02.160 came from rupert lowe as usual he says i agree the british establishment should apologize over

01:00:07.060 slavery to us for allowing this pathetic self-loathing anti-white bullshit to drag on for

01:00:13.300 so long um and he also went on to yeah school yeah school that's what you get in return

01:00:20.200 should be it's the only thing they've ever had for us um anyway he's also put forward a motion

01:00:27.600 in parliament which he is the only signature on uh talk about this house unequivocally rejects

01:00:34.180 all demands for the united kingdom to apologize or pay reparations for historic involvement in

01:00:40.280 slavery and it was with this actually it was in thinking about like the fact that Rupert Lowe is

01:00:47.360 the only person in parliament actually as a signature to this that also got me thinking

01:00:52.740 about William Wilberforce because when we think back to the actual history of Wilberforce's

01:00:57.640 campaign and make no mistake he was a remarkable man one of the true great Brits and I absolutely

01:01:05.420 obviously support the historic abolition movement but i also think it's very interesting to see

01:01:11.660 when you look at the character of someone like william wilberforce driven by just such pure

01:01:19.280 religious conviction to stop something that he not only saw as a moral affront universally to

01:01:27.260 humanity and believed that basically whatever we come from whatever the historic principle had been

01:01:34.600 on slavery, going back to Mesopotamia, that we had the ability to be better and to live in a

01:01:41.860 world where we didn't have slavery anymore. And he obviously began by working to abolish the trade

01:01:49.220 itself, and then eventually died within a month of the complete abolition of slavery throughout

01:01:55.840 the entirety of the British Empire. But the other thing as well that I find remarkable about it,

01:02:01.120 And one of the things that should comfort us about Wilberforce's crusade is the fact that this is a man who, in his day, went up against all of the most powerful elite moneyed interests in the country.

01:02:17.480 And those, let's just be honest about it, were in stark contrast to the general feeling, sentiments of the British public at the time.

01:02:26.620 Not so different to the time we live in now.

01:02:29.280 Now, Wilberforce was fighting for the people's opinion against an elite that because of its shares in the slave trade, because of its shares in the docks of the pool or the shipwrights or any of these people, it went up against some of the most powerful corporations on earth.

01:02:47.580 And eventually, tooth and nail, dedicating his life to it, he won.

01:02:51.940 and there's a lesson to all of us in there about endurance and about the precedent set

01:02:58.280 within british history by men such as wilberforce which is actually that with enough

01:03:04.000 enough conviction and enough bravery and enough ingenuity you can eventually defeat these evils

01:03:11.620 just as we now find ourselves bound to this perverse system of multiculturalism that only

01:03:19.160 acts as a vulture upon the dying carcass of britain and is only kept in place by global

01:03:25.880 corporations global finance um people who own property tycoons who want mass immigration for

01:03:32.760 the housing prices hotel managers the ngo complex they can be overcome and it's through people like

01:03:40.840 wilberforce that we know that that's true a very good point there was largely sort of sugar interests

01:03:46.600 there's a lot of sugar plantations specifically in the Caribbean as well as a whole

01:03:52.840 edifice of other things as well yes the same sorts of rich people would also own

01:03:56.880 the media for what he was worth back then and that to begin with his earlier

01:04:02.880 parliamentary career would get nowhere close failed and failed and failed he'd

01:04:06.840 fight tooth and nail just to get a vote on it and then lose drastically but then

01:04:11.020 did it again and again and again until eventually it's a new generation of guys

01:04:15.520 and even the prime ministers behind it but you don't get a majority in the house

01:04:18.460 and so again and again and again spent his whole life doing it and finally

01:04:22.120 finally yes got it through at least the abolition of the trade and then finally

01:04:27.100 the full abolition of being able to own other human beings at all yes and he

01:04:30.700 died just before that was achieved in the very early 19th century so yeah a

01:04:35.120 remarkable a remarkable life and it just goes to show that imagine if people

01:04:40.600 said to him as a young man don't try there's no point it's pathetic well try

01:04:45.220 harder william wilberforce just make just give up just form a chess club instead or something no no

01:04:50.980 no i don't think it's actually i'm gonna do and fight for and advocate for what is right yes and

01:04:56.980 come what may absolutely even if it's a lost cause still gonna do it anyway yeah how about that so uh

01:05:03.460 yeah definitely go check check out bo's epochs because he's a great hero anyway me or william

01:05:09.460 and Wilberforce oh well well I'm sure pretty sound chat but uh you know but yeah um William

01:05:16.460 Wilberforce was a great hero and yes we shouldn't be prostrating ourselves before people who never

01:05:23.040 actually wish for us to rise again all right I'll quickly go hi folks welcome to episode 96 of the

01:05:30.800 Epochs of the Lotus Eaters I'm joined by Bo and today we're going to be talking about thanks man

01:05:35.200 There you are, little teaser for you all there, ladies and gents.

01:05:38.320 I accidentally knocked it.

01:05:40.800 Baystapes says, I remember when I was a teenager in the early days of YouTube,

01:05:43.940 you could watch live streams of slave auctions.

01:05:46.240 Bloody hell, could you?

01:05:48.600 That's dark.

01:05:50.440 Habsification says, this segment is just describing Britain's equivalent of the century of humiliation.

01:05:55.580 Yeah, it does feel like that.

01:05:57.280 And That's Random Name says, if the dialogue is supposed to be good faith,

01:06:00.840 then this is all for nothing because them simply bringing this up is in bad faith.

01:06:07.680 Yeah, yeah, well said.

01:06:09.360 All right, go on then.

01:06:10.980 Next segment, I suppose.

01:06:12.780 Okay, Harry, can you bring up the document as well?

01:06:16.740 In like the main part of the screen in here.

01:06:18.920 Oh, there we go.

01:06:19.560 Great.

01:06:20.480 Super.

01:06:21.740 Okay.

01:06:22.600 All right.

01:06:23.140 Let's talk a little bit about the repercussions from the midterms.

01:06:27.820 We had the midterms and I understand yesterday on the main podcast of the Lotus Eaters it was talked about but things have happened even in the last 24 hours which are of note and are interesting and I want to look forward in the future about what may or may not go on.

01:06:42.900 So if anyone doesn't know, and it's been under the rock for the last 48 hours or so, the Democrats won control of Congress, 240, maybe more, but at the moment, 240 to 147, and got control of the Senate handily, 54 to 44 at the moment.

01:07:02.100 and so that does make Donald Trump a lame duck the Trump era MAGA project is

01:07:09.060 done whether MAGA will continue in a new form in some sort of new iteration

01:07:14.700 under somebody else maybe but Trump's version of MAGA is dead in the water

01:07:20.200 effectively because you know the Democrats will block everything at every

01:07:26.780 possible turn and use as much lawfare as they can I mean both sides do that now

01:07:30.860 but they do it the most don't they of course they'll try and impeach him over anything and

01:07:35.060 everything well they do they do it better and they do because they mean it more um and so the

01:07:41.160 finger pointing has started that's what yesterday's podcast couldn't have talked about because it

01:07:45.060 hadn't really happened at that point or it just begins happen um yeah finger pointing who who did

01:07:49.780 what wrong what's gone wrong here whose fault is all of this yeah other than obviously donald

01:07:56.200 trump's leadership and policy decisions and agenda so okay one of the big things perhaps the most

01:08:01.960 perhaps the most obvious thing is the persian war uh the war in iran netty's war will history

01:08:10.360 remember it as netty's war i don't know bibi's war um okay well jd vance has said yes oh and

01:08:17.880 don jr i've said yeah oh don jr said yeah don jr came out and said yeah it's like obviously so

01:08:23.960 i mean come on and not just the war itself not that the average american voter is that particularly

01:08:28.480 upset about irgc fighters getting blown smithereens but the cost the cost of living

01:08:35.820 yep your average swing voter in somewhere like ohio or somewhere they're pissed off that it

01:08:44.200 costs a lot of money to drive to work now yeah and they're right to be especially after trump

01:08:49.440 campaigned obviously to be the peace president

01:08:51.420 and to not start

01:08:53.460 any new foreign conflicts

01:08:55.020 he's still asking to be given the

01:08:57.440 Nobel Peace Prize. He's obsessed

01:08:59.540 with that prize

01:09:00.160 I mean just to play a small amount

01:09:03.440 of defence here, he

01:09:05.120 did hope and I'm prepared to take him at his word

01:09:07.300 I don't think he was lying, in February and he said

01:09:09.320 this will be three weeks long, four weeks long

01:09:11.380 this is an excursion, we'll be in

01:09:13.300 out, some sort of Venezuela style

01:09:14.980 on a larger scale but some sort of Venezuela

01:09:16.940 set of raids and strikes

01:09:19.020 and it'll be over with shortly i don't think that was just a complete liar i think he thought that

01:09:24.420 was possible yep i'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on that yeah sure it's just

01:09:28.040 that's just not what has happened though so it's and now here we are things i'm prepared to give

01:09:33.360 him the benefit of the of the doubt on this everybody in the military establishment should

01:09:39.380 have known better told him better because you can't win a war just from the air and because

01:09:46.680 it's rare you can but it's very rare okay okay i mean yes especially not a country the size of iran

01:09:55.560 with iran's mountains with the known underground bases for both nuclear and missiles so it was

01:10:03.320 never possible to win this quickly and the people advising him should have told him as much except

01:10:08.360 that he believed that the regime would just crumble and it will be a matter of weeks and

01:10:12.840 that's it yeah so yeah no whenever an air campaign has worked remarkably well it's been in a much

01:10:19.700 much smaller country something like the rump of yugoslav like serbia or afghanistan 2001 a few

01:10:24.980 times it has worked but you need to be a very very small state and it's the state apparatus

01:10:29.400 state apparatus to be already very very shaky and that's just not what iran was in february 2026

01:10:36.680 exactly so okay um so the finger point is vance has said well this headline says vance walks trump

01:10:45.880 tightrope with scathing election critique blaming iran war and trump has even come out and said

01:10:52.460 when some reporters have said vance has said this or do you accept that the iran war has been

01:10:57.200 is what really hurt you at the ballot box and he said yeah yeah trump has said in the last

01:11:01.820 half a day or so or last 24 hours or so said yeah i think he said like obviously or so what's that

01:11:06.420 like yeah i accept i accept that yeah a few people said and i think this is fair peter fair thing to

01:11:11.500 say if he'd got a lot lighter or a lot stronger on iran it would have been better than this

01:11:17.760 if he'd done done the full 2003 master tank divisions the big red one going all the way

01:11:24.540 thunder runs through tehran and change the regime okay or if he'd just done you know like the

01:11:30.280 relatively light touch operation midnight hammer stuff and it was over within a few weeks okay

01:11:36.680 but what we've got here is it's starting to look like that proverbial forever war isn't it of course

01:11:43.320 they're not actually forever ever but you the whole point that there's no there's no exit plan

01:11:47.240 no there doesn't seem to be any real exit plan i'm not believing steve turley saying it's all part of

01:11:52.200 a 5d chess trust the plan bro no no no no there doesn't seem to be any sort of exit strategy

01:11:58.200 so so oligarch you average americans like this is not what we signed up for exactly donald sorry

01:12:03.240 you did say in your first term you did it well done we liked you for that that was one of the

01:12:08.120 reasons why we re-elected you wasn't it because they trusted him on the message of i won't start

01:12:13.120 any more wars because he'd actually demonstrated his ability to keep that promise until he ran

01:12:18.460 and it just does just bankrupt america further it does just ruin their further ruin any sort of

01:12:25.700 prestige on the great it does just destabilize the region and of course innocent people some

01:12:30.580 innocent people getting killed etc um it's not it's not great obviously i mean obviously so

01:12:37.280 so jd vance has come out and said that um now the real finger pointing people have started to say

01:12:43.440 now this will just say this always happens whenever a big uh whenever a government loses um any sort

01:12:49.720 in a big way there will inevitably always be someone's head needs to roll or more than one

01:12:55.680 person's head needs to roll politically politically uh straight off the bat then

01:13:00.240 hegseth is it pete hegseth he needs to be made a scapegoat but here's the guardian of course it's

01:13:05.040 the guardian pete pete hegseth may take fall for republicans midterm losses despite trump support

01:13:10.840 i think there's another article yeah they're planning on making hexa the senator

01:13:16.200 uh one of the existing senators won a governorship i'm not sure in which state

01:13:23.860 and the plan is to exit hexath from the war department and into a senate seat that way

01:13:30.660 it doesn't look like a dismiss a dismissal or an admission of defeat right this is this is being

01:13:36.800 talked about i'm not sure if it's going to happen well here's an article from al jazeera take that

01:13:41.220 for what it's worth.

01:13:42.220 Oh yes.

01:13:43.220 Niav's out.

01:13:44.220 Will Congress impeach Pete Hegseth after GOP midterm losses?

01:13:46.840 But Trump did come out and was asked about it, and at least for now he's saying no.

01:13:50.100 No.

01:13:51.100 In fact, can you play this little clip, little Harry, do you mind?

01:13:53.720 So you don't want him to fill Morse Blackburn's Senate?

01:13:58.220 No, I think he's doing a very good job.

01:14:00.220 So you don't want him to fill Morse Blackburn's Senate to be appointed?

01:14:03.940 Well I think he's doing a very good job, and I actually think he'd be very popular if

01:14:09.220 did that but i haven't heard that at all okay there's trump standing in the ballroom the the

01:14:16.100 ballroom he's building on the side of the white house um so uh at the moment at least trump is

01:14:21.780 standing by his man pete exit sorry no it's fine that's um also people said susie wiles

01:14:29.220 her head her head must roll knives out for trump's ice maiden after midterms humiliation

01:14:34.580 uh a few articles i think there should be more links here but anyway uh people are saying a

01:14:40.020 number of different people need to need to go need to take the full take the rap for it but

01:14:44.940 so far trump hasn't really said yeah i'm going to get rid of suzy or pete or allegedly she is

01:14:51.360 responsible for a big chunk of corruption going on and in terms of the impeachments i think that

01:14:56.680 the democrats are going to find an insane amount of corruption in the white house and they're going

01:15:01.380 to go after it left and right and essentially that becomes the democratic campaign for 2028

01:15:08.500 which is just taking all of these people dragging them through the mud in the house and in the

01:15:15.620 senate and doing all kinds of investigations against them and then impeaching them slowly

01:15:21.700 with probably the big impeachment for trump in late 2028 ahead of the elections in order

01:15:29.860 to just break him and break the whole administration as an extended humiliation ritual that helps

01:15:36.840 them in their campaign for 2028.

01:15:38.660 I would guess that this is the Democrats' plan.

01:15:41.600 And I think they're going to find a lot of dirt on people in the administration.

01:15:48.700 The only question is, does Trump retaliate by activating the DOJ and going after Hunter

01:15:56.140 biden going after the fake pardons signed by otopen going after nancy pelosi and her stock

01:16:02.700 trading why hasn't done that already though because he decided to join the swamp rather than drain it

01:16:11.340 and like he made a couple of billion dollars last year just on crypto

01:16:16.300 depending on who you believe anything from 1.4 to 2.2 billion just on crypto in 2025

01:16:21.580 his whole claim was that 2016 to 2020 his net worth declined meaning that he was clean

01:16:30.340 he wins again in 2024 and his net worth is just shooting upwards and his kids are involved in

01:16:37.020 all kinds of deals and it's just dirty uh add to it the epstein files and failing with a whole

01:16:46.040 like the epstein files were an opportunity to just skewer the entire establishment it was so

01:16:51.420 terribly handled inexplicably so i mean inexplicably is doing a lot of heavy lifting

01:16:59.180 it's one thing wherever you crit whenever anyone criticized trump you'll always get someone saying

01:17:03.180 oh you've got tds bro don't let your tds get in the way it's like no at a certain point though

01:17:08.540 no but a certain point i think i'm going to criticize trump for failing in leadership for

01:17:13.900 failing in on terms of policy and i mean not because you hate trump it's because you had such

01:17:19.660 high hopes and expectations at any hopes whatsoever yeah i mean i remember in 2016 as soon as he gets

01:17:24.300 in like the day after he gets in someone says so what you're going to do about hillary and he's

01:17:28.860 like ah i'm nothing like so on day two like that's just one example but um if you take the epstein

01:17:37.660 thing one of the things that really really opened my eyes and with in this current term was at some

01:17:45.180 point the epstein files came up again and he said you probably remember this moment he said you still

01:17:50.620 talking about this guy remember that moment yes come on don't talk to me about tds what was that

01:17:56.620 what is that yeah i'm not i'm not interested in being fobbed off you've just got tds no no no no

01:18:02.220 it's a no that's where his words all right okay i mean it's like campaigning on the promise to

01:18:08.700 release something exactly that as as bongino did as everybody associated with it with with with

01:18:14.460 With that he could have dragged Larry Summers into jail, he could have dragged Bill Clinton

01:18:20.420 into jail, he could have dragged Obama's White House counsel into jail, Howard Lutnick who

01:18:25.960 is now sitting as Commerce Secretary, he could have ended up in jail.

01:18:29.620 If that was handled right, you could have broken the establishment once and for all.

01:18:36.580 You chose not to, you chose to decide, say, you still talking about this guy?

01:18:41.580 What?

01:18:43.580 Okay, so, well, okay, the Trump-era MAGA-ism is over.

01:18:48.580 Well done, you handled that perfectly, didn't you?

01:18:51.580 Don, well done.

01:18:53.580 Alright, well, let's look to the future a little bit then.

01:18:55.580 I'm given to understand Big Josh Furman, the Furminator,

01:18:58.580 wants to do a segment along these lines later, is it tomorrow or next week?

01:19:02.580 It'll be tomorrow.

01:19:03.580 a few minutes on i don't tread on his toes too much especially as we're getting right to the

01:19:07.100 end of our time but let's just talk about then what is next for the the republicans um who who

01:19:13.500 will be on the ticket next um obviously jd vance is the big name obviously it's jd vance i found

01:19:19.820 out not that long guy somehow it passed me by but apparently according to wikipedia marco rubio has

01:19:25.100 already ruled himself out and endorsed jd vance i didn't know that i don't know when that happened

01:19:30.220 I'll have to spend a bit more time digging later

01:19:32.660 to find exactly if there's footage of him saying that.

01:19:35.420 I certainly haven't seen that yet,

01:19:36.620 but that's what Wiki was saying.

01:19:39.080 So if that's the case, I mean, J.D. Vance is the obvious person.

01:19:43.620 Do you take Rubio at his word?

01:19:45.540 Well, no, we were talking about this earlier, won't we?

01:19:47.820 No, I feel like if the numbers look good for him in 2027

01:19:54.440 or when the window of time comes where you really need to announce it,

01:19:58.160 the numbers look good for him a lot of I'm sure he'll change his mind I'm sure he would change

01:20:02.760 his mind he changes who he is quite regularly then I remember the pre-trump 2024 era Trump

01:20:09.520 the pre-rubio from then yeah it's a different guy yeah it's a different guy Trump sort of allowed

01:20:15.820 him to be this stern hard man before that he was pretty weak sauce very little Marco Rubio

01:20:22.480 And now he's this stern statesman strutting on the world stage.

01:20:26.860 I mean, he's impressive because he managed to get the national security advisor role wrapped into the foreign minister role, into the secretary of state role, making him the most powerful secretary of state since Kissinger.

01:20:39.340 so he's become insanely powerful while also not being publicly associated with the iran war

01:20:46.620 because a secretary of state somehow somehow magically the negotiations with iran aren't

01:20:53.200 happening through the secretary of state they're happening through whitkoff whichner and jd vance

01:20:57.200 yeah so rubio can walk away i'm saying it wasn't blamed for the negotiations failing

01:21:02.460 so vance won't be blamed just for not standing up against the war when he could have as the

01:21:07.980 vice president because he can't be sacked he's also being uh going to be blamed for negotiations

01:21:13.260 failing because when kushner and whitkoff who as friends of netanyahu may or may not have wanted a

01:21:19.480 deal he also failed to deliver a deal so like vance is deeply wounded very wounded we'll say

01:21:28.220 yeah i mean yeah but he's still got big name recognition absolutely relatively relatively

01:21:34.840 clean from

01:21:36.600 all the

01:21:38.600 corruption sleaze.

01:21:40.240 And even the failings of the Trump

01:21:42.700 administration, relatively clean.

01:21:45.220 Okay, so let's just throw out a few

01:21:46.700 names, starting with the least likely.

01:21:49.660 Linda McMahon's

01:21:50.700 ruled herself out. Oh, thank God.

01:21:52.700 I was really worried about you.

01:21:54.540 We don't want Vince in the White House

01:21:56.780 as the first... Oh, Linda McMahon

01:21:58.640 is Vince's wife? Yeah. Daughter?

01:22:00.680 Wife, yeah.

01:22:01.940 Vince and Linda are a man and wife.

01:22:03.960 yeah okay so probably probably not going to get vince mcmahon in the white houses as a consult

01:22:11.240 him doing the wwe from the president's chair

01:22:15.560 yeah or other nefarious things he gets up to you know you don't want that in the west wing

01:22:19.880 here no um okay mike pence vivek ramishwami mike johnson josh hawley i like josh hawley

01:22:26.280 but i think he's stepping down from politics entirely anyway nick nicky haley you've got

01:22:30.920 scott besson greg abbott they've all said they're not going to run for president okay they're

01:22:34.760 unlikely to win anyway and some of the more serious big base of sarah huckabee sanders

01:22:43.000 now you're all right it's a thousand it's a ten thousand swans right anyway wasn't it um thomas

01:22:47.640 massey could be interesting let's just say hypothetically jd vance there's some just say

01:22:54.360 hypothetically some sort of giant scandal or for whatever reason he just says i'm not going to

01:22:58.380 And then there's a big vacuum.

01:23:01.120 Could somebody like Thomas Massie step in?

01:23:03.880 Don Bacon of Nebraska, some people say.

01:23:06.040 So Massie's strength would be in terms of attacking the Israel lobby.

01:23:09.840 Right.

01:23:10.360 And forcing the entire platform...

01:23:12.460 Could be popular.

01:23:13.120 ...to disavow Israel.

01:23:14.140 In the Republican primaries.

01:23:15.540 In the Republican primaries.

01:23:16.220 Could be popular.

01:23:17.160 So he could sort of play a role as shifting the conversation

01:23:21.100 and forcing it to go in an entirely different direction,

01:23:23.400 which would be impressive,

01:23:25.740 but I don't know if he has the charisma to win this.

01:23:27.360 It would require a lot of courage as well.

01:23:29.700 I mean, don't get me wrong, he's already shown himself, actually, to be a brave man, considering what he's done.

01:23:34.040 You do need, though, don't you, in a presidential campaign, quite a lot of charisma.

01:23:39.780 And a lot of donors.

01:23:41.080 Well, and that, yeah.

01:23:42.680 Okay, so Chris Christie, not so much.

01:23:44.900 Don Bacon.

01:23:46.040 Okay, what about the likes of bringing back Ron DeSantis or Ted Cruz?

01:23:54.200 DeSantis, I mean, Ted Cruz is running, he says he's going to run against Tucker Carlson, which is just...

01:24:00.940 Against him?

01:24:01.800 Yes, which is just...

01:24:03.000 Oh, so he won't get the dream ticket of the Cruz-Carlson dream ticket, no?

01:24:09.440 Apparently.

01:24:10.700 Rand Paul, I like Rand Paul. Do you like Rand Paul?

01:24:14.360 Too libertarian.

01:24:15.640 Oh, yeah, he's unlikely to win, but I like him.

01:24:19.500 My favorite is John Kennedy. I don't know Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana.

01:24:22.980 i don't know if he he's got any intention of doing it i don't i'm not sure if he's a guy with a big

01:24:27.300 draw yeah yeah yeah yeah he's hopeless really why whenever i've seen him talk he's always been

01:24:35.300 super based genuinely fascinating very interesting too many donors that just oh i don't know that

01:24:42.420 angle about his career the problem with desantis and kennedy and cruz is that it's the same donor

01:24:49.700 base or ipac the same type of donor base including ipac okay and that is a huge problem in and of

01:24:56.520 itself and if massey runs um he's going to use that as a sledgehammer to say look this is what

01:25:05.140 trump said and in the end the donors got him to do this i'm the only one who stood up against

01:25:09.100 the donors that's going to be the main power of massey does he have the charisma can he do it can

01:25:14.620 he beat a democrat different conversation but the main power that that he has is is that i have said

01:25:21.340 no to the donors and they have tried to destroy me and here we go okay but i suppose the bottom

01:25:28.600 at least talking now in early november 2026 it looks like doesn't it that it advances

01:25:34.460 to lose at this point in time yeah i mean uh now a year from now 18 months from now obviously the

01:25:41.700 picture could be very very different but right now it looks like it's probably more and more

01:25:45.040 likely to be Vance right will he take MAGA forward into a new era or just do things entirely

01:25:51.680 differently or does he understand why MAGA is failing now I think he does he's not a stupid

01:25:57.780 man is he no no I'm not saying you were saying he was but yeah I think so I think he's quite

01:26:03.380 politically savvy his political instincts seem pretty good to me I can't remember the last time

01:26:09.140 I saw J.D. Vance saying something.

01:26:10.440 I'm like, whoa, that's way off the mark, bro.

01:26:11.980 Read the room, bro.

01:26:13.320 Am I wrong?

01:26:16.580 I'm very suspicious of Vance

01:26:18.160 and some of the people that are around him.

01:26:19.600 Okay.

01:26:22.300 I think he ended up defending Vivek's ad

01:26:24.660 that used a long story,

01:26:28.400 but I have big doubts about Vance.

01:26:33.300 All right, we'll see.

01:26:33.860 We'll watch this space,

01:26:34.920 and Josh Furman is going to do a better analysis of that,

01:26:37.260 no doubt, tomorrow.

01:26:38.000 So, okay, that's a segment.

01:26:39.900 Okay, $5 from 141 Paladin says,

01:26:42.540 Ann Coulter told Vivek Ramaswamy that it's to his face that,

01:26:45.780 what?

01:26:46.020 Go on, sorry, keep reading, sorry.

01:26:47.560 Go on.

01:26:47.760 You're breathing.

01:26:48.140 Oh, okay.

01:26:48.940 That she would not vote for him because he was Indian.

01:26:52.040 Smile shriveled from his face.

01:26:54.080 Yeah, you told me about that earlier today.

01:26:56.000 I meant to put a link and find that and put a link in there.

01:26:57.940 His spirit was just crushed.

01:27:00.820 Yeah.

01:27:01.660 It was beautiful.

01:27:03.220 It was beautiful.

01:27:06.160 Ann Coulter, fan of the show.

01:27:07.620 Yeah.

01:27:07.820 She's been on here, hasn't she?

01:27:08.820 Yes, she has.

01:27:09.460 Yes, she has.

01:27:10.140 Really good to meet her.

01:27:11.420 All right, do we have video comments today, Harry?

01:27:13.760 Let me go through a couple more of the Rumble Rants.

01:27:15.940 Oh, sure.

01:27:16.620 Yeah.

01:27:17.140 Scott Sciguy says,

01:27:18.360 this is the story of Cain and Abel,

01:27:19.620 the resentment of the unsuccessful of the successful.

01:27:22.280 Talking about your segment.

01:27:23.360 Yeah, very applicable.

01:27:24.400 Thank you, Scott.

01:27:25.380 Yes, absolutely.

01:27:27.020 And the Engaged View says,

01:27:28.980 this entire segment is a spoken word rendition

01:27:30.960 of Minor Threat's song, Guilty of Being White.

01:27:34.980 I don't know that one.

01:27:36.420 No, but I'll give it a listen.

01:27:37.820 Carl Benjamin was the man who killed

01:27:40.640 Sargon of Akkad and he never faced any

01:27:42.560 justice for his crimes.

01:27:46.360 Space Ape, thank you for that.

01:27:48.580 Are there no video comments, Harry?

01:27:53.100 Sorry, there are, I think there's

01:27:54.720 three. Okay, great.

01:27:57.080 No worries, mate.

01:27:58.140 Good one.

01:28:07.820 want in the lower procedures and their fans it's okay to get bummed out when we lose that's normal

01:28:13.740 that's fine took a day let us get out some be bummed whatever then what do we do afterwards

01:28:19.920 we get up dust off our pants and we go back to the fight because it's the communists who don't

01:28:26.640 want us to fight because their true fight wins when we don't want to fight back

01:28:32.700 yeah there's loads and loads of cliches like self-help cliches right but it is true that

01:28:40.680 what matters is how you react to defeat yes it's not about the victory yes or how magnanimous you

01:28:48.180 might be in victory no it's about how you react how you get up after being knocked down i know

01:28:53.420 it's why for it to do so it's true true it really is true those that stay down yes well you are

01:28:58.940 defeated then yeah yes exactly yeah so i see a lot of leftists decrying people complaining about

01:29:06.400 the destruction of historical landmarks and the pillaging of blocks of private property and

01:29:13.800 they'll say like oh you're putting property above the above human life and i obviously have to ask

01:29:20.140 what that really depends on the human life we're talking about here also you should always ask

01:29:25.960 do they think their personal life is worth more than the Louvre?

01:29:30.060 They'll probably say yes,

01:29:31.260 and I can only say that their personal evaluation of their worth

01:29:36.380 is far too inflated.

01:29:39.500 Can we not value both?

01:29:40.820 I don't.

01:29:41.780 It's funny, yeah.

01:29:42.780 Surely there's some value in both?

01:29:44.960 Yeah.

01:29:45.680 Why not both?

01:29:47.300 Last one then, go on, Eric.

01:29:48.500 Hey, load suitors.

01:29:50.140 I'm in Snowdonia.

01:29:51.820 Nice.

01:29:53.520 Nice.

01:29:54.480 I love Snowdonia.

01:29:55.960 in Wales if anyone doesn't know it's just so peaceful the Brecon Beacons Snowdonia

01:30:09.580 loads of whales very very sort of unforgiving and bleak in many ways but absolutely beautiful I

01:30:15.500 think pretty sure I saw this one on on Tuesday but nice to see it again it's beautiful and

01:30:23.860 nice magazine. Alright then, we're at time, so I'll just race through some comments from

01:30:28.620 the segments. We've got Omar Awad says, an elite that makes Restore Britain impossible

01:30:34.360 will make, I probably can't read that to be fair, but will make undemocratic means inevitable.

01:30:41.380 And obviously, yeah, there's a lot to be sorted out. Voting Restore based on character of

01:30:45.180 low and the members of making sure your room is clean before fixing the world of politics.

01:30:49.880 Yeah, absolutely. On the slavery segment, we've got Thane Scotty who says, quick question about slavery. Are we allowed to pay off our reparations debt by funding a military force called the Order of the Cross and Soul? Probably not. I don't think Ed Miliband's going to go for it, unfortunately.

01:31:10.160 Rob Bailey says,

01:31:11.340 I never knew the slave trade was a nationalized industry.

01:31:14.460 99.6 of us never had any connection to it.

01:31:17.580 Yeah, true, true.

01:31:19.060 And then from your segment, Bo,

01:31:22.700 it's just got AZ Desert Rats says,

01:31:24.500 before the war and the rand started,

01:31:25.980 I was paying $25 to $30 per week on gas,

01:31:29.240 and now I'm paying $35 to $40 a week as well.

01:31:32.900 So, yeah, it's been felt pretty dramatically.

01:31:36.780 All right, well, that's all we've got time for today,

01:31:39.040 ladies and gentlemen, I hope you've enjoyed the show

01:31:40.920 do obviously tune in tomorrow morning

01:31:43.220 fresh and early for Breakfast with Beau

01:31:45.160 hottest breakfast show on British

01:31:47.120 television and obviously the

01:31:49.080 podcast as well, take care

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - November 05, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1543

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