The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1544

00:00:00.320 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1544 for Friday the 6th of November

00:00:08.420 2026. I'm your host brother Luca joined today by brother Stelios and returning brother Josh.

00:00:16.140 Returning brother. Good to see you brother Josh. Well I've been absent from the family for a bit

00:00:21.240 but good to have you back. He always took issue with a characterization but he is a brother.

00:00:25.800 he is thank you brother mau himself anyway hey i've got a different haircut this time that that

00:00:31.420 is true that is true um anyway right ladies and gentlemen today we're going to be talking to you

00:00:35.960 all about the future of the republican party uh we're then going to be talking about the spectre

00:00:41.040 of conscription that hangs over not just britain but uh most of uh western europe as well and then

00:00:47.720 we're going to be having a fun end of the week segment all about the indian zoomers and uh the

00:00:55.200 The cockroach protests, if I have this right.

00:00:58.500 That is how they characterise themselves.

00:01:00.860 Yes, yes.

00:01:01.840 The cockroach protests.

00:01:02.540 That is their characterisation of themselves, just so we all know.

00:01:06.400 Before we get into the first segment, Friday, ladies and gentlemen,

00:01:09.740 so do join us for Lads Hour at 3 o'clock live,

00:01:13.040 where we're going to be talking all about recasting famous roles.

00:01:16.800 Seems to be something that Hollywood do a lot these days of their own accord,

00:01:20.940 but I'm sure that we can do it a damn sight better.

00:01:23.860 So do tune in for all of that. With that all said then, Josh, tell us about America.

00:01:30.600 All about it. Well, it's this country...

00:01:32.960 How did it begin? Where did they...

00:01:35.100 Well, that's a controversial question.

00:01:37.300 Now, today I'm going to be talking about the future of the Republican Party,

00:01:41.480 because I'm not sure if you're aware, if you live under a rock,

00:01:44.860 but there's been a recent election that the Republicans didn't do very well in.

00:01:49.400 And in fact, they lost seven seats in the Senate to the Democrats.

00:01:53.220 they lost 41 in the house and five governors which is not the best result in fact is quite poor

00:02:00.080 and what's interesting about this is that unlike lots of other electoral losses in america and

00:02:06.620 around the world actually people are pretty universal in what caused it and it is the iran war

00:02:12.240 and there are two different sort of camps that might object to this um as in object to the war

00:02:19.220 people who are ideological about it as in why are you doing this why are you intervening in Iran

00:02:26.220 why are you not putting America first this is not in our interests which is an argument I'm

00:02:32.540 very sympathetic towards and also practical ones which also I'm sympathetic towards which is the

00:02:38.000 price of gas went up and when you combine these two things that's enough to shift elections that

00:02:44.400 hey, my cost of living is more expensive because you've started bombing Iran.

00:02:50.260 Maybe not do that, please, if only people would listen.

00:02:55.580 But I also agree with the majority here that this was the cause of them doing poorly,

00:03:03.160 as well as some other things.

00:03:04.400 I'm going to throw in some honourable mentions of things I've not been happy about

00:03:07.680 that the Republicans have done.

00:03:09.580 Dragging your feet on the Epstein file stuff, saying,

00:03:12.780 oh it's a democrat hoax and oh there's nothing in there that's not a good look especially when

00:03:18.400 you promise to release all the files and and to name and shame people that's been very underwhelming

00:03:24.480 right well also to go from the pan bondi you know line of they're on my desk to they don't exist i

00:03:30.780 mean that that was a pretty bold one can you think of any others anything else that has tariffs

00:03:37.200 it has um it has been a tumultuous thing for the economy if nothing else i i don't know about the

00:03:44.460 if you combine tariffs and the war it has led into a very negative economic uh reality and

00:03:52.680 when it comes to the war before that you mentioned there we need to split it into people who were

00:03:57.580 directly concerned about the war as such and those who were indirectly influenced by the war

00:04:04.280 to vote against the republicans or to not show up yeah the second order effects yeah because

00:04:09.300 if people say that they're concerned about the economy uh and the iran war has harmed the economy

00:04:16.920 then indirectly they are concerned about the iran war of course yeah and that's basically what i was

00:04:22.860 saying is that you either have the ideological concern about the war itself um or the practical

00:04:27.920 one about the economic consequences of it and um may i just say one more thing as well on the

00:04:34.600 personal level that i am possibly most disappointed with the republican party for which is the lack

00:04:42.880 of action that they took after the assassination of charlie kirk that's a very good that for me

00:04:47.420 is really the gravest one because it was it gave you the opportunity to really just come down hard

00:04:55.480 on people who are just, well, celebrating murder of their own country.

00:05:00.240 I would say that, even beyond asking for it,

00:05:03.820 that it's sort of a moral imperative to crush these people

00:05:06.980 for the good of not only you, but also them as well.

00:05:11.660 But yes, it's a wasted opportunity,

00:05:14.540 as dark as that might be to say about a person's assassination.

00:05:18.980 But it is true that it was a political opportunity that was wasted

00:05:22.880 and spent on golden caskets and fireworks and, you know, showiness,

00:05:29.180 which, you know, substance is the important thing.

00:05:31.260 It's the thing that runs countries, and that's what you want.

00:05:34.240 And the left has been basically obfuscating the reason.

00:05:39.980 They were trying to make it about ICE.

00:05:41.620 I've seen lots of left-wing commentators,

00:05:44.080 as well as the president of Mexico, Claudia Scheinbaum,

00:05:48.380 I'm saying that it was ICE, it was immigration that cost them lots of places,

00:05:54.440 but it was a wipeout across the country.

00:05:56.620 It wasn't localised in specific places.

00:05:59.240 So I think that, you know, why would someone in an area

00:06:02.120 that doesn't have that much Mexican immigration relative to the rest of the country

00:06:05.560 be as concerned as somewhere else?

00:06:07.820 That doesn't necessarily track.

00:06:10.420 And it is true that Trump did well with Latinos,

00:06:13.160 and he's done historically well with them in the past.

00:06:18.380 And maybe this meant that he was less popular with them.

00:06:21.920 So there is some element of truth,

00:06:23.700 but I don't think it's the thing that is behind the election loss.

00:06:28.960 No, if anything, it was one of the more well-kept promises of the original campaign.

00:06:33.980 If anything, people wanted, at least supporters of Trump,

00:06:37.040 people wanted to see this go even further, right?

00:06:40.100 There were studies and polls talking about the major factor why people voted.

00:06:44.560 And almost, it's about 40% mentioned the economy, 32% mentioned the state of democracy.

00:06:52.960 You can think that the Democrats would be characterized by that.

00:06:56.340 And about 14% mentioned migration.

00:07:01.060 And that, I imagine, encompasses both sides, both for and against, right?

00:07:04.960 Yes, yes.

00:07:05.880 Okay.

00:07:06.720 So I wanted to talk about what is in store for the future of the Republican Party,

00:07:12.080 because this is repudiation of the way things have been done recently.

00:07:18.340 And so the question isn't, do things have to change?

00:07:21.180 The question is more so, who is going to bring it about?

00:07:24.720 And at the minute, you see lots of people trying to position themselves as the heir to Trump.

00:07:33.160 And one of the people that was doing so...

00:07:34.440 Well, only a few months ago was Trump not talking about a third run, a third term.

00:07:40.000 although we'll see if he bows out graceful yes but i i would be surprised so would i but but um

00:07:49.480 yes de santis was was talking about um vance and rubio and attacking them over iran um as of course

00:07:57.380 vance and rubio seem to be some front runners to succeed trump of course vance being the vice

00:08:03.460 president and usually people look to the vice president when the president is no longer running

00:08:08.520 you know obama with joe biden vance with with trump and vice versa not so much pence back in

00:08:17.100 the day there's this curious thing that happened in 2020 that might have scuppered that one a little

00:08:22.320 bit yeah but um it's interesting as well that everyone's talking about the iran stuff and i

00:08:28.940 would like to remind people that you remember the um that houthi pc small group where they

00:08:35.200 accidentally added a mainstream media journalist a journalist that would be hostile to them

00:08:39.380 to this chat and mysteriously JD Vance just randomly out of the blue says reminding you

00:08:46.340 all that I'm against this intervention in the Middle East and repeatedly there have been these

00:08:50.940 leaks that probably aren't really leaks they're trying to keep his record clean on the the grubby

00:08:56.300 stuff of intervening abroad which isn't popular with the base and my sneaking suspicion is that

00:09:02.560 you don't accidentally add a journalist in you don't accidentally leak stuff about the the vice

00:09:07.840 president uh undermining the decision of the president unless you sort of want people to know

00:09:13.960 that and i think it might be essentially common practice at this point and and what i actually

00:09:18.800 think is happening is that they're they're leaking this stuff to make vance look like he's got a clean

00:09:23.880 record he's got all of the good of trump without any of the bad but there there are a few problems

00:09:28.980 there, one of which is that he was still quite close to these bad things, as well as the

00:09:36.700 fact that there's an interesting trend that sounds a bit derogatory to point it out, but

00:09:41.940 Vance doesn't poll that well amongst women. Women don't necessarily like him, and unfortunately

00:09:48.740 you need women in the modern democratic system to win elections, and perhaps it might mean

00:09:56.580 that someone else, I don't know

00:09:58.720 whether he's picked up points since that polling

00:10:00.680 was done, but it

00:10:02.620 seems to be the case. Well, right now, they

00:10:04.600 don't even have the white men, so

00:10:06.440 that's how bad it's going.

00:10:09.140 So,

00:10:09.820 we will have to see, but my

00:10:12.220 sort of intuition is that

00:10:14.620 something's going to have to drastically change,

00:10:16.680 and a lot of people in the United

00:10:18.540 States who would traditionally be Republican

00:10:20.680 voters are very angry with the Republican Party

00:10:22.860 for failing them.

00:10:24.260 and i've seen some interesting things from figures who you know were once alternative

00:10:30.520 media i would say are now mainstream like matt walsh the iran war is the greatest political

00:10:36.160 blunder in the last two decades at least a catastrophically stupid decision an unforgivable

00:10:40.420 betrayal of america first principles i found this interesting for multiple reasons i don't know

00:10:45.720 whether ben shapiro gave him a zap of his shop collar um for saying this but um well done for

00:10:51.320 saying it is true at least in my opinion but it's interesting that he's saying these America first

00:10:56.420 principles because I think that this is the direction things are going to have to go and

00:11:01.280 although it's associated with certain figures I think the the principle of we need to put our

00:11:06.000 country first it's much older than any any one commentator it's much more important and goes

00:11:11.220 beyond any one individual and I think that this is the direction that most developed western

00:11:16.780 politics is going is that of we need to put our country first we're not in service of everyone

00:11:22.060 else tell us you you look like you want to say something yes i want to say several things here

00:11:25.820 first of all uh the the the slogan america first is a slogan unless it's fleshed out and also saying

00:11:33.900 i'm a patriot i'm putting my country first is a slogan we need to see what the overall agenda

00:11:39.660 is now when it comes to uh matt walsh and several people like matt walsh what was their

00:11:47.160 stance on the maduro extraction i remember and i will i will have to say for instance that someone

00:11:53.760 like tucker and i'm a very uh frequent critic of tucker when it come when it came to the maduro

00:12:00.260 extraction he was very much against it um but there have been people who now try to say that

00:12:07.800 they're America first, who cheered when Trump did this, and he succeeded, because the vibes

00:12:13.480 were pro-Trump in that case. So what I think happens with the Iran war is that, to some

00:12:20.280 extent, Trump did a major, from a realpolitik perspective, I'm not saying I'm for or against

00:12:25.760 what he's done, but what I'm saying from a realpolitik perspective, his objectives haven't

00:12:33.020 been clear and people can trust the plan and he asks he has asked people to trust the plan several

00:12:39.480 times and this works until it doesn't until it stops working so when people don't know what is

00:12:45.600 happening and it's prolonged and this happens for months since march and they and that has a very

00:12:54.120 negative effect on people's wallets then yes they are going to be against it so in a way i think

00:13:00.520 from a realpolitik perspective he would have several people with him if he had succeeded

00:13:08.600 quickly effectively and quickly because that's you know one of the key one of the reasons that

00:13:13.760 people have been saying not to intervene for a very long time is that it wouldn't be quick and

00:13:17.800 you know even someone who's not in the military like myself can understand that it was always

00:13:23.200 going to be a prolonged conflict that would go on with very little in return which is why it's

00:13:27.980 probably not been done until the objectives are still not clear i mean from one from one

00:13:33.680 perspective he says about a nuclear weapon and i respect this personally but if you put this

00:13:39.180 together with uh operation midnight hammer rhetoric post operation that they destroyed

00:13:45.500 iran's nuclear capabilities then people start asking right traditional republicans right

00:13:51.980 if there is actually an existential threat then you will have to put boots on the ground if you're

00:13:57.680 not putting boots on the ground therefore you don't think that there is such an existential

00:14:01.280 threat there that is true and i think that a lot of the time they're trying to gin up

00:14:06.460 and manufacture consent for their own agenda right um jd vance put out a long post after the uh

00:14:13.280 defeat that was interesting and it's very long-winded and i'll cut it to the most important

00:14:19.340 bits and read just a small amount the reason we lost is the war the president himself said so

00:14:24.400 last night um if you'd like to argue it was worth it that losing the senate for the next six years

00:14:28.800 was worth it then do so he's you know taking a tone of i don't think this was worth it but i'm

00:14:33.800 he's trying to sort of toe the line sorry did you say if you think it's worth losing the senate for

00:14:38.800 the next six years did you say as well so also the implication of not winning the republicans

00:14:44.040 not winning the next election yeah the it's interesting it's the senate race yeah argue

00:14:50.680 it's worthwhile um cost to pay agree or disagree that's at least honest but everyone knows why we

00:14:56.000 lost and any honest conversation about where we go from here must start there i don't actually

00:15:00.200 disagree with that but i think that you you're a little bit too plugged into the levers of power

00:15:06.500 here to be talking in these terms you know you're the vice president it's not like you're you know

00:15:13.640 just a member of congress or something like that you're part of i had to vote in congress if he

00:15:18.760 yeah and then he also has this part that i think is interesting and i actually agree with his

00:15:25.220 characterizations here and i think that what he's done here is he's trying to co-opt a lot of

00:15:30.920 concerns that traditionally are not part of his um republican factions typical issues he says

00:15:38.340 basically we asked those voters who had abandoned us what would cause them to come back on our team

00:15:42.900 the top four answers accounting for nearly all of the responses were end the war i think we know

00:15:49.000 that one already focus on the cost of living and inflation i think we've connected to point one

00:15:53.960 yes we've addressed that um as well put america first which is the first two points yes it's

00:16:00.420 basically just don't get intervene in foreign conflicts and make things cheap it's not exactly

00:16:05.580 rocket science and then change our relationship to israel which was interesting i was this was

00:16:11.840 the one I was most surprised about to see there, because many Americans have been rightfully

00:16:16.480 critical that, hang on a minute, we're giving all of this money, all of these weapons to

00:16:20.840 a country that doesn't necessarily treat us very respectfully. You remember J.D. Vance

00:16:27.440 saying, remember to say please and thank you, Mr. Zelensky. I've got forever etched in my

00:16:33.640 mind him as a toddler saying it, thanks to those memes. And you don't hear much of that

00:16:40.640 from from israel um as well as all of the other concerns but also the european partners as well

00:16:46.560 you know the way that the trump administration in recent years has spoken to the european partners

00:16:52.000 and look as a brit you know and someone of europe that gives me mixed feelings because on the one

00:16:58.580 hand i enjoy the contempt he has for them because i have a lot of contempt for them as well but on

00:17:04.760 the other hand the bellicose way in which he's been going about it especially when it comes to

00:17:09.820 things like canada and greenland that has been well in the end it seemed to have worked fair

00:17:15.180 enough with greenland but with canada uh quite the opposite yes and you imagine what the senate

00:17:19.980 and the house of representatives would look like right now if the canadians were part of the u.s

00:17:26.400 and they were voting here oof yeah that's the best advert against it isn't it yeah so one one thing i

00:17:32.040 would like to outline is whoever is going to succeed trump they need to understand a few things

00:17:37.800 that for a start and the most important thing of all is that if the United States is to survive

00:17:43.320 large numbers of people in the country need to be deported that is absolutely the case your

00:17:50.100 country will not survive unless millions of people are sent home and another one which is far less

00:17:56.840 often stated is that the United States is the hegemon of a global economic empire you know

00:18:04.220 both the american economy and the military are the best in the world no one can deny that

00:18:09.340 um but if the history of the 20th and the 21st century is anything to go by right

00:18:15.100 then you come to realize actually military rule is far more difficult than say any point in in

00:18:22.140 human history otherwise and actually economic rule is the strongest choice and it's playing to

00:18:26.940 america's um you know interests yeah not not only to their interests but to their strengths as well

00:18:33.180 economic pressure can be just as damaging without the backlash back home right you're not sending

00:18:38.740 people to die in a foreign war you're not bombing people it's not nearly as a motive

00:18:43.480 sure you know it might not always be as effective you know a bullet is more effective than trade

00:18:48.640 sanctions but at the same time you sometimes a heavy-handed response is not warranted and if

00:18:54.460 you're the hegemon of this global empire sometimes a bit more of a delicate hand is what you need and

00:19:00.680 this is exactly what we're saying with dealing with europe you know we understand the nature of

00:19:05.800 um what was trying to be achieved there because we're political commentators but the average

00:19:10.700 person in europe they're just scared by the notion of the united states the canadians

00:19:16.500 let's not dwell on though i will say to to trump's credit as well he has said several times he has

00:19:23.880 given perfectly sage advice to the european elite which is get a hold of immigration and get control

00:19:30.520 well to britain explicitly you know start drilling in the north sea just like open up more industry

00:19:35.960 in the north sea to get your energy prices down so though he has been quite bellicose he has also

00:19:41.160 given good advice to our leaders as well it's just they're too uh traitorous to take them and uh one

00:19:48.960 final thing is that just do not enforce your culture on other people like most americans

00:19:53.840 don't like the dominant culture of the u.s let alone people from foreign cultures you know this

00:19:58.640 this idea that you can bring uh liberalism and democracy at the point of a gun you know no

00:20:04.520 political system can be brought at the point of a gun and then people willingly uptake it especially

00:20:09.160 ones um such as democracy and liberalism that need to be believed by the population wholeheartedly

00:20:15.200 to be engaged with productively um you need to be basically a more responsible world power is the

00:20:22.420 way i would put it and that also means putting certain countries in their box when they've been

00:20:26.680 given special treatment if you know what i mean um but i've seen interesting things uh popping up

00:20:32.480 and things that have surprised me like tim paul saying nick fuentes is the future of the gop

00:20:37.720 and this might confuse some of you because uh because he just endorsed a democrat he said get

00:20:42.760 out and vote democrat today uh on election day which is a deliberate strategy according to him

00:20:49.060 to punish um the republicans so basically this is the strategy he's outlined this is what people

00:20:56.340 are talking about whether you agree with it or not you know it may well work it remains to be

00:21:03.640 seen yet the question is whether you even have a power base to operate from over the next four

00:21:09.740 years if if the democrats win the presidency and the senate and all of the halls of power again

00:21:16.340 in america how are you going to build from there because things are getting more and more extreme

00:21:23.020 And the demographics are tipping in such a way that there is a question of whether or not America can survive many more years of the demographic change.

00:21:32.200 So though I agree with certain policies about, you know, re-migration in America, they are very entangled in this.

00:21:40.820 And it doesn't quite feel the same as here in Britain, where it's like you can maybe just tolerate a few more years to get the right party and get it reformed in the right way.

00:21:53.900 It feels like a much more precarious position.

00:21:56.160 I want to add the demographic to the mix, because you're mentioning Fuentes.

00:22:01.960 Several people are trying to portray him as sort of the voice of the Zoomers,

00:22:07.020 and he's trying to have a very, you know, Zoomers versus Boomers mindset,

00:22:12.360 and especially some of these people have.

00:22:14.980 One of the implications of the—I'm sorry to be a party pooper, right, like Arnie in the movie,

00:22:20.540 but one of the implications of the demographic issue is that people live longer lives and fewer

00:22:27.500 younger people are born so yes the zoomer vote has to be won the republicans have to be able to

00:22:35.820 address the zoomers and win their votes but it can't be in a way that alienates large segments

00:22:42.700 of the population that's true and also older people typically turn out to vote yeah and i

00:22:47.020 I think actually there is a way for the Republican Party to thread the needle and please pretty much everyone, right?

00:22:54.060 And it's simply doing many of those things on J.D. Vance's list, which he's at least had the decency to listen to his critics and come up with a cogent alternative to what should exist.

00:23:08.500 And although Fuentes' plan is basically dependent upon the Republican Party

00:23:14.920 recognising that he and others like him are responsible for people not voting for him

00:23:20.100 rather than the Iran war and the economic consequences, which I don't think will happen.

00:23:26.180 But needless to say, they would have lost anyway.

00:23:29.600 Fuentes, I think, is trying to say that, listen, we made them lose

00:23:33.340 when actually I think that they made themselves lose.

00:23:36.660 maybe there was there's some influence but i think the the national impact of the conflict in

00:23:42.940 iran and the economic impact is enough all on its own without any commentator doing anything

00:23:48.460 um so i don't necessarily agree with that um but many people are holding up and and to be fair he

00:23:55.560 did come up with some accurate predictions for trump in 2024 um but i've also seen other people

00:24:02.360 pushing for radical things here basically saying that the the Republican Party has to be the party

00:24:08.340 of young white men and again this is just an antidote for young white men being the ultimate

00:24:13.260 evil in what is sort of the the woke hierarchy of oppression and people are pushing back you know

00:24:20.760 the way you reject it is you say actually no we are a good thing and yes as a somewhat less young

00:24:28.120 white man I think yes we are good and we should be the future of politics because not only should

00:24:33.820 the old not necessarily dominate but also there has to be some continuity you know and an ideal

00:24:39.920 society has a situation as you're alluding to I think implicitly Stelios that the old hand off

00:24:46.200 to the young when it's their time and that seems not to be happening and you've got all of these

00:24:52.560 bloated uh warmongers in congress and the republicans these rhinos uh the old variety

00:24:59.680 exactly and they do need to go there does need to be some new blood there needs to be some new

00:25:04.980 ideas and i think that the new ideas are basically old ideas um but repackaged for the future which is

00:25:12.480 uh don't start foreign wars you know govern responsibly um don't wind people up unnecessarily

00:25:20.360 and put your country first don't take half measures you know don't be a rhino don't sort

00:25:28.840 of cuck to the democrats actually be republican last point of addition i want to make because

00:25:36.280 you remember back in 2024 when we were having segments we were talking about the republican

00:25:41.540 primaries that was uh in favor of the santis and uh was a very strong governor i was a very

00:25:49.380 from governor governor and florida was almost immunized let's say by the by the woke uh democrat

00:25:56.260 onslaught on it and yeah he in a way he was a bit more awkward in his mannerisms but he delivered

00:26:02.420 he he acted he did have results he had results it'll be interesting to see i think that he might

00:26:08.100 struggle because he doesn't have that same personability and charisma that some of the

00:26:12.500 other front runners have and that was exposed last time it was right to run you never know

00:26:17.540 maybe he's been working on it yeah i don't know if last time he was trying to appear he was trying

00:26:22.180 to appear as trump 2.0 that won't happen with any with anyone because in the mega mind trump is

00:26:28.660 unique well i agree with that yeah he is yeah so anyone who tries to say hey i'm the second trump

00:26:34.900 is going to suffer they have to be the first themselves you have to create something new

00:26:39.060 and that also comes with a new identity and and my thinking is that perhaps vance is a little bit

00:26:44.420 too close but obviously we will have to see but these are the ideas that people are talking about

00:26:49.620 this is what the discourse is and i've laid out what i think has to be done for the republicans

00:26:54.740 to succeed in the future excellent so um rumble rants from yeah if i can uh from this segment uh

00:27:03.380 one for one paladin five dollars thank you says uh the democrats are evil argument falls flat when

00:27:07.860 the knight ignores a dragon and sprints for the treasure trove yeah well put analogy gimme a

00:27:13.220 says uh the lack of waistcoats on today's presenters is intolerable great to have josh

00:27:18.680 back again though thank you there we go hopefully i can compensate for the waistcoats also i've

00:27:22.780 never owned a waistcoat because i'm always too warm i run very hot so if i have a waistcoat on

00:27:28.000 and a jacket yeah if it's the winter i'm cold i'm warm even the opposite you have no idea just

00:27:32.760 how much sweat i have sacrificed like wearing these waistcoats doing the airplane on the podcast

00:27:39.000 But as Scott Seaguy says, problem is that the United States, UK and Europe, our choice is right wing parties that talk a good game and do little and left wing parties that will burn our countries to the ground.

00:27:50.640 Yeah, it is a rock and a hard place, though.

00:27:53.260 I do feel like progress is being made, certainly.

00:27:57.060 In fact, let me just get my segment set up to the beginning because that'd be helpful.

00:28:03.500 And also Habsification says Trump didn't go hard enough on immigration.

00:28:07.120 he could have expanded it quicker by using the national guard as well or the armed forces in

00:28:12.620 general or deputizing the police to work with ice yeah there were many more things that could

00:28:18.060 have been done and it has to be done optically weren't they that you know if you use the military

00:28:22.760 to remove people there'll be that the democrats would sort of have a little bit more to go off

00:28:27.800 saying it's literally mid-century germany yeah but also i mean not that they're analogous because

00:28:33.780 the population size are you know so vastly different but you look at the way that the

00:28:38.720 right-wing government in sweden behaved recently and they lost entirely because they didn't deport

00:28:44.240 enough yep that should have been deported not saying that's true in america as you say the

00:28:49.760 war on the cost of living was enough to do it but it is something to consider further down the road

00:28:54.720 yeah we have deportation quotas and if you don't meet them we will crush you

00:28:58.420 that is the correct opinion grim um all right then ladies and gentlemen so we're going to be

00:29:05.440 talking about the specter of conscription which seems to be just in the news now every single

00:29:11.240 week uh in places you know including britain but also france as well in germany and um it seems

00:29:19.540 our leaders in their infinite wisdom really have it in their head that we are eventually going to

00:29:25.760 have war with russia right and you can see here the manchester evening news reporting at the end

00:29:31.680 of october saying the uk government increases conscription age in major update amid chilling

00:29:37.280 1000 day war warning now they're going to say earlier this year the age bracket for the army

00:29:43.180 reserves was extended from 55 to 65 so it's going to get proper dad's army quite quickly realistically

00:29:50.620 what's someone in their 60s going to be able to do bring in like a tea tray of refreshments or

00:29:56.620 do the logistics behind the scenes yeah if i'm gonna die in a pointless war i at least want a

00:30:03.020 hot cup of tea absolutely yeah but um no it's obviously smelling of desperation no one wants

00:30:09.780 to fight for you know britain or other countries because what's there to fight for our enemies

00:30:14.780 are not abroad they're at home they're running the government right and you know what as

00:30:20.600 well it's that kind of just short-term thinking now where it might finally have truly crippled

00:30:26.280 the regime because they can do everything else if you refuse to work or you refuse to pay your

00:30:31.700 taxes you can get put in prison you can get fined and everything but if you won't fight the war

00:30:36.980 and the foreign mercenaries that you've allowed into the country and their millions aren't going

00:30:41.600 to fight the war then how are you going to defend the state's interest and let's you know be

00:30:46.480 absolutely clear about this this is a question not of national interest but the state's interest

00:30:51.500 uh but anyway it goes on to say in the article and earlier this week defense secretary wes

00:30:56.740 streeting terrible four words all combined together uh warned britain has to quote prepare

00:31:03.300 for the worst and be ready for war in under three years the country's enemies are likely to be in a

00:31:09.140 position to attack by 2030 and the country has around a thousand days to be in a position to

00:31:14.980 fight and win, Mr. Streeting said. Mr. Streeting said, my defining priority is to make sure that

00:31:21.560 this country is ready to fight and win a war. To prevent the worst, we have to prepare for it.

00:31:26.480 In the first instance, that means expanding our capabilities so our adversaries think twice about

00:31:31.820 attacking us. Should that fail, we must ensure that Britain is ready for war. And according to

00:31:38.140 retired Army Chief Lord Dannet, the UK will already have a particular method of enlisting

00:31:46.280 people to defend the country. This suggests that a contingency plan is already in place.

00:31:52.440 So I don't know what streeting could even feasibly do, because the way you make us ready

00:31:58.400 for war, which by the way, saying we'll be ready for war in three years spells out how

00:32:03.460 dire a situation it is that you have a military that isn't ready for war in three years' time.

00:32:08.140 There's another way of looking at it, but you've got to re-industrialize massively.

00:32:12.920 The most industrial power wins wars.

00:32:14.900 We saw that with the United States in World War II, right?

00:32:18.160 You know, it is the way that war functions.

00:32:20.100 Now with drones, more than ever, your industrial capacity is important.

00:32:25.440 You know, manpower is still important.

00:32:27.460 It's not worthless, but even more so than ever, you need factories.

00:32:33.140 You need raw resources that we just don't function.

00:32:36.480 We've got to have a complete U-turn of how our economy functions to be militarily capable.

00:32:42.300 So it ain't going to happen.

00:32:44.380 No, and just in the case, obviously, of something that's close to my heart

00:32:48.220 is the steelworks at Scunthorpe being the last one now that produces steel domestically.

00:32:54.140 But even then, the price is controlled by the French National Energy Company.

00:33:00.600 Yes.

00:33:01.220 Right, yeah.

00:33:01.720 and also what's more a lot of the raw materials that are required to make the the steel from

00:33:06.840 scratch are imported now we're not even mining them domestically you know that in our production

00:33:12.760 chain for our weapons um about 95 of our you know things that we need for our weapons our materials

00:33:22.200 are imported from china which uh that natural ally not an ideal political situation to be in

00:33:29.600 Not at all. And so then, if my box would work, we get to the question of this article by the Daily Mirror, where it said Brits would avoid World War III conscription call-up, sorry, Brits who avoid World War III conscription call-up could face shame and even employment issues.

00:33:51.800 well we already face shame i mean it's going to be white british people we already face shame by

00:33:57.760 being ourselves and employment issues are just a feature of this country so what have you got

00:34:03.080 to threaten them with yeah it's yeah i i think we've already built up the constitution to those

00:34:08.580 sorts of problems become such a political dissident that they won't want to conscript you

00:34:12.760 become unconscriptable that's what i'm going for yeah uh but after the government extended the age

00:34:20.360 bracket. Sorry, I've already told you about this. It says, with Vladimir Putin and Russia

00:34:24.500 warning that direct nuclear strikes are a reality and not scare tactic, Western leaders are on red

00:34:31.440 alert. Experts are now worried the UK will have to reintroduce compulsory service to help bolster

00:34:38.280 the nation's war effort. But Professor Joshua Bilton has warned Brits seeking to skip a potential

00:34:46.120 draft could face serious backlash from their peers. He said, quote, it could certainly affect

00:34:51.680 their social and cultural standing, and might even have an impact on employment post-conflict,

00:34:58.020 but I think it depends what segments of society we're talking about, as society is not monolithic,

00:35:03.620 and while some will accept it and say, good for you, others may shame them. It is far more nuanced

00:35:09.260 than many acknowledge, as it depends greatly on how families and friends feel about a forthcoming

00:35:15.280 war. While the prospect of conscription being rolled out to the UK population does sound

00:35:21.780 daunting, Bilton has said that he doubts men will be hauled onto the front line if conscription

00:35:27.120 makes a return. Yes, yes. Obviously, that is a level of contempt by the establishment

00:35:33.340 that is just beneath them.

00:35:35.280 In Ukraine, they're definitely not going around with a van and just kidnapping random men

00:35:39.340 going about their days to get them to fight. And that definitely wouldn't happen if the

00:35:44.220 situations were right here i think it probably would however what a contemptible individual you

00:35:51.600 would have to be if you're you're forced into a war with russia where you're probably going to die

00:35:56.820 um it's going to be a high casualty conflict regardless and you're doing that because you're

00:36:02.140 worried about what people might think of you i mean get a bit of a backbone get a bit of a spine

00:36:07.640 yeah or it right um it goes on to say if we look at both world wars only about 25 percent of the

00:36:14.340 male population of a certain age went into the armed forces and even then it was often in

00:36:19.240 non-combatant roles or support roles uh but i think it depends on what segment of society we're

00:36:24.840 talking about um while the prospect uh sorry built in has stated that in the event of a world

00:36:30.540 war iii conscription call-up it is unlikely the government would shame men who refuse to contribute

00:36:36.220 to the war effort. However, he added that it might not stop, quote, more covert and implicit methods

00:36:44.200 being deployed by some groups to pressure men into joining the war effort. The expert stated

00:36:49.860 these methods could resemble the White Feather campaign launched by women in World War I.

00:36:55.660 Now, I actually wanted to talk about this campaign from World War I, actually, because I remember

00:37:02.280 first learning about this when we were learning all about world war one in history i think in

00:37:07.080 year eight or year nine as it was back in school yeah yeah and and as soon as i was told about this

00:37:13.860 and the campaign and how it was orchestrated and the shame that was placed on men back then

00:37:19.980 honestly even as a child it made me sick to my stomach and now at the age of 29 i don't feel

00:37:26.700 any differently about it and i mean there's one aspect of it that won't change is that um noted

00:37:32.880 participants of many early feminists i imagine many modern feminists are going to revel in the

00:37:39.040 fact that they can send all their men off to die for no reason just out of pure bigotry and

00:37:45.240 and misandry it there's a darkness to it but it's gonna happen there will be a a minority that would

00:37:53.380 wish to yes yeah behave just purely on those ideological lines i've no doubt um but it's

00:37:59.880 important to talk about this because of course when world war one first started in 1914 there

00:38:05.440 were promises once again of it all being over by christmas it will just be a short affair

00:38:10.080 and also as well obviously you had apart from the actual british army at the time and the reserves

00:38:18.000 You also had, of course, a great enlisting, very famous enlisting of the Powell's Battalions, people from all villages and hamlets and cities and towns of England and the British Isles signing up with their friends to go on the adventure and answer the call to their patriotic duty and go to war.

00:38:37.420 And as the war dragged on and the horrors of it became more visibly manifest for everyone involved, by the time you get to 1916, we get to the point where the British government are having to actually invoke conscription because we were losing too many men to death or injury.

00:38:58.240 And it's the fact that it goes in to say that, well, in August of, sorry, the group that, right, in August 1914, Admiral Charles Penrose Fitzgerald founded what became known as the Order of the White Feather.

00:39:12.300 He enlisted groups of young women to hand out white feathers, a traditional symbol of cowardice, to men in civilian attire in public places.

00:39:21.400 The group that he founded was known as the White Feather Brigade, or the Order of the White Feather, and the order of their recruiting methods quickly spread across Britain.

00:39:30.260 Women of all backgrounds contributed their influence to the war effort.

00:39:33.880 These so-called white feather girls comb streets, trams, theatres and other public spaces pinning feathers onto unsuspecting young men as a public rebuke for their failure to join the military.

00:39:46.220 Now, on the one hand, I am sat here today wearing a poppy in remembrance for the lives and the bravery and the courage of those men who were sent into the slaughter of the world's first truly industrialized war and the horrors that it led to.

00:40:04.800 But we cannot forget the fact that really when we look at the grand arc of history, the fall of Europe and the aftershocks that we still sit here now in are as a result of World War I and everything consequent to it.

00:40:21.500 That is where everything truly declined. And it's also it's where the entirety of Europe lost all of its youth, all of the young men who were going to become community leaders, who were going to be to serve that, you know, and were the best and brightest and the most patriotic of their generation because they all signed up to begin with.

00:40:41.620 and we've never recovered from it not only in the in the literature of the lost generation

00:40:47.280 and the aftershock and the malaise of what as t.s elliott characterized at the wasteland

00:40:53.840 in in his poem in 1920 but obviously everything that happened after it as well the being eclipsed

00:41:00.460 by america and the soviet union britain becoming the sick man of europe all of these things

00:41:05.800 happened and they happened not obviously the war was going to happen one way or another there was

00:41:11.640 nothing that the common man could do to prevent it but when you look back at the history of it

00:41:19.160 this whole thing of the women of britain turning around and saying yeah you should you should be

00:41:25.640 shamed as a coward for not involving yourself in this and just taking this white feather and

00:41:31.640 in many cases obviously this led to uh immense mental depression and suicide in some cases from

00:41:38.340 those who didn't want to go to the front lines um i i think it's really monstrous uh you're very

00:41:45.360 right to bring this up and i think that people forget that another war in europe on scale would

00:41:51.860 be the end of us right we got through world war one and two on the backs of being so far ahead of

00:42:00.160 everyone else that we had the wealth and assets and and manpower to spend on it

00:42:06.880 although that's not to say it wasn't a massive waste of a human life and to do

00:42:14.460 this all again with conditions as they are it's gonna be ruinous one thing

00:42:21.280 first of all I want to say I don't think that a war is imminent let me just say

00:42:25.380 I appreciate the concern and I don't want to see young people going out fighting and I think that

00:42:34.620 there are two things number one I completely agree with what you said before that several

00:42:40.420 governments both in the UK and continental Europe and throughout the world they are

00:42:46.380 governing in a way that alienates people and by implication these people feel so alienated from

00:42:54.700 their governments and their societies and they wouldn't want to fight for them on the other hand

00:42:59.100 i want to say that when it comes to wars if we look at history in perspective it's very unlikely

00:43:04.780 that there won't be a future war let me just yeah yeah if you look at it in perspective and sometimes

00:43:11.820 war finds you even if you don't want to fight it so i'll remind people of the cities and

00:43:20.060 And I'll paraphrase him.

00:43:22.060 If you want to avoid the war, you have to prepare for war.

00:43:25.460 Because if the entire society screams, I'll never fight for my society,

00:43:35.520 then that invites foreign aggression.

00:43:39.120 Not by good people.

00:43:40.680 This doesn't mean that the government right now is patriotic

00:43:44.040 or that there shouldn't be pressure towards the government to be patriotic.

00:43:50.060 But I'm just saying this, that from one perspective, someone who is, who occupies that office, they have to show in a way that they aren't afraid of being belligerent in rhetoric.

00:44:04.240 Yeah, that is true. And it's always worth bearing in mind. I agree that war isn't necessarily imminent.

00:44:10.080 but nevertheless um my thinking is that were i to to say that up until the point where

00:44:16.920 i'm being sent to the front lines at the point of a bayonet i'd feel very naive

00:44:20.980 to have not fought the signs um and so you have to uh push back regardless you could you could

00:44:28.500 see it in terms of you know in in several online circles it's about you know training it's like

00:44:34.100 if the collapse comes right personally i don't think it's going to come but if the collapse

00:44:40.280 comes that's that viewed collapse uh in those circles then trouble will find you there's

00:44:46.960 certainly a lot of sensationalism like people are saying world war three or oh it's all going

00:44:50.980 to collapse and i think that's scaring people a little bit yeah i agree but i still i suppose

00:44:57.300 reason that I host the segment is because I am entirely convinced that those in

00:45:03.680 power would gladly send us off. Oh no, I wholeheartedly agree. In the first place

00:45:08.880 and so this is really to say why that would be a bad thing. The other thing as

00:45:14.820 well just just to point out it says in in from the Wikipedia page the white

00:45:18.960 feather movement was effective in drumming up enlistment and many men

00:45:22.200 reportedly volunteered soon after being handed a feather unable to bear the

00:45:26.460 stigma. In Britain, it started to cause problems for the government when public servants and men

00:45:32.260 in essential occupations came under pressure to enlist. That prompted the Home Secretary to issue

00:45:38.280 employees in state industries with lapel badges reading King and Country to indicate that they

00:45:44.180 were serving the war effort. My point in reading this is that it is going to operate on entirely

00:45:50.240 the same level now. It's not going to be the Whitehall staff. It's not going to be the politicians

00:45:55.120 or the you know any of these people that are so happy to send us off right they're not going to

00:46:01.600 be the ones suffering it's going to be you who have been trapped with nothing but vindictive

00:46:06.080 spite for decades as time has gone on and told you that you're not even entitled to possess your

00:46:12.800 own country and i would like to talk a little bit as well about so i hosted this uh chronicles with

00:46:20.400 good old Rory, Islander of Islander fame, all about Childe Harold's pilgrimage by Lord Byron.

00:46:28.980 And it's not just about World War I. It's also the entirety of British history. Now, on the one

00:46:34.940 hand, I am obviously thoroughly impressed by many of our national heroes, such as Nelson,

00:46:42.460 such as Lord Wellington. But one of the points that Byron makes out in Childe Harold's pilgrimage

00:46:47.840 is that really, why is the Napoleonic war being fought?

00:46:51.640 Well, on the one hand, yes, perfectly justifiable reasons,

00:46:54.420 which is that Napoleon is a menace throughout the continent

00:46:57.600 and is upsetting the balance of power.

00:47:00.100 And he's French.

00:47:00.780 That has long held, and the most important reason of all.

00:47:03.640 Yes, thank you, Josh.

00:47:04.920 But the other thing as well is that it was a threat to the elite interests of the time.

00:47:09.560 It was a threat to monarchy, and it was a threat to aristocracy.

00:47:13.900 And what you found is at the expense of nearly a quarter of a million British lives, what we did with the Napoleonic War was put a monarchy back on the throne of France, only for it all to fall away by 1848 again anyway, right?

00:47:28.200 And what Byron is saying is not that there isn't glory in war, that there isn't heroism or nobility or courage in war, but what he is saying is that ultimately your life is something very precious and you only get to live it once.

00:47:42.240 And so if you are going to commit it to something, make sure that it's for a cause that you actually agree with.

00:47:49.280 And in Byron's case, he ended up living that by obviously fighting and dying in the Greek War of Independence.

00:47:55.400 But ultimately, this is something that is personal to your conscience, and you shouldn't just throw away your life recklessly,

00:48:03.400 because any elites of Loday have decided that you have to die for their interests.

00:48:09.780 especially not with the country in the state that it's currently in you have to bear in mind that

00:48:16.680 part of the reason why so many men joined up and enlisted in world war one was because they were

00:48:22.360 proud of the country that they were fighting for and they knew that the women they left behind and

00:48:26.920 the children they left behind would be safe yes absolutely not so much go on tell me if i'm wrong

00:48:32.880 but wasn't it the case that some of the people who refused to to join world war one were shot

00:48:39.560 well or is this propaganda some i think bertrand russell was put in jail for pacifism i think some

00:48:48.200 pacifists were were imprisoned and to be honest with you i uh but for the sake of time i'll have

00:48:54.660 to move on um but when you have stories like this afghan migrants followed 14 year old school

00:49:00.020 school girl onto london train before raping her in the toilets um the pair appeared in a london

00:49:06.820 Crown Court with Dari and Farsi interpreters and the trial is expected to last weeks.

00:49:12.300 This is just one of the stories of the week and they're every week at this point.

00:49:17.880 To answer your question by the way, Stelios, no one was executed in World War I for being

00:49:22.780 a conscientious objector.

00:49:23.780 No, but it's just what they termed cowardice and desertion on the front lines which was

00:49:29.700 entirely within precedent, obviously, historically in wars at that point.

00:49:34.980 also as well this is coupled with the fact that okay you want us to go go to war but why is it

00:49:40.580 then all of your policy seems to be constantly betraying exactly this is the equivalent of of

00:49:46.960 germany right that it destroyed its nuclear reactors and its nuclear infrastructure for

00:49:54.340 meeting green goals and then suddenly they're very much against russia having been a hundred

00:50:00.140 relying on them for energy yeah the annoying thing is people want you know people point to

00:50:05.600 the scandinavian countries left-wingers that love banning like north sea oil drilling they want the

00:50:10.860 social democracy but the the way that norway has a functioning social democracy is that they have

00:50:16.560 a sovereign wealth fund worth about two hundred thousand dollars per head um of largely profits

00:50:23.020 that have been invested from north sea oil drilling not not solar power no funnily enough

00:50:29.580 that far north you know very cloudy curious must look into it anyway so the point is but it's not

00:50:37.880 just this of course as well it's all of the the regulations and red tape put on farming and the

00:50:42.900 expenses of agriculture as well about domestic produce of our food if we're going to prepare

00:50:48.320 for war shouldn't we be working politically to make sure make ourselves as domestically independent

00:50:55.500 as possible. And we just don't see that from the government. So on the one hand, they can espouse

00:51:00.460 the need that we need to, we have a thousand days to prepare for war. Well, it doesn't look like you

00:51:06.440 are preparing for war. It just looks like it's business as usual in undermining our economy and

00:51:12.520 our potential to make wealth. I mean, if only there was a good example of a country that

00:51:18.620 failed militarily because of the shortage of oil and rubber in in world war ii if only there was

00:51:25.700 an example to learn from yeah obviously you need oil for war you stupid yeah yes is the answer why

00:51:34.140 did i even ask um and as well at the same time that we're now just having an orwellian surveillance

00:51:40.660 state built around us all the time which i'm sorry is just a spiritual attack on the english

00:51:47.460 consciousness we are a liberty loving people and we never ask for this we don't want it and at the

00:51:53.560 end of the day this as you can see here sarah jones mp saying live facial recognition is changing

00:51:59.180 the game when it comes to getting dangerous criminals off our streets so in being so hands

00:52:05.560 off with the case of law and order just generally but then of course with the component of illegal

00:52:11.620 immigration on the top of it as well you're just going to manufacture more consent for yourselves

00:52:17.080 by being negligent on these crises to come down hard

00:52:20.700 and create a more authoritarian society.

00:52:23.260 It's almost like there's an alternative way to run the justice system

00:52:26.260 that radically reduces re-offence rates,

00:52:29.060 but people aren't ready for that yet, apparently.

00:52:31.520 Well, one day, hopefully.

00:52:34.420 And then, of course, the fact that we just live in a two-tier system

00:52:37.620 with the death of Henry Novak and his family saying

00:52:41.440 that they feel that the police misled and manipulated them.

00:52:45.140 Of course they did.

00:52:45.780 they do this with every victim

00:52:47.560 I put out a post

00:52:50.020 about this on Twitter that did quite well

00:52:51.560 where I was saying that it's one of the darkest things

00:52:53.640 about our society at the minute

00:52:55.260 that families who

00:52:57.980 have been, you know, paid the

00:52:59.920 ultimate price in losing their children

00:53:01.960 at the hands of foreign people

00:53:04.140 who shouldn't have been here in the first place

00:53:06.100 then have the police pressuring

00:53:08.260 them when they're at their most vulnerable

00:53:09.580 to advocate for the very

00:53:12.140 same ideology that created those

00:53:14.140 conditions in the first place

00:53:15.520 right it's just so evil there's no other word for it really yes and a core component of course of

00:53:22.680 that ideology is defending against any legitimate criticism the project of multiculturalism and the

00:53:31.020 good of diversity and making sure that it endures because it's been so good for us that it's mutated

00:53:37.280 our justice system and our policing so that things like this can happen where you literally have an

00:53:43.740 innocent victim who's stabbed being arrested by a Sikh man with his blade that he has by a legal

00:53:51.500 exception to a religious minority and then the government turn around and say and also we're

00:53:58.540 going to now tailor the immigration system and the settlement reforms by Shabana Mahmood to the

00:54:06.320 opinions and preferences of foreigners as you got here in their over 200,000 people poll that they

00:54:13.140 were doing about it well seven like three quarters of it were done by visa holders it says

00:54:18.960 only 18 by british citizens and as i covered on the podcast at the start of this week that's not

00:54:24.100 even going that doesn't even necessarily mean actually british that just means people who

00:54:29.080 already have the passport and so you're not being dealt with fairly in any sense here and as more

00:54:35.440 and more people come in we see the effect that it's having on this democracy that we're supposed

00:54:40.800 to believe in and trust and adore unconditionally year on year even as we just find foreigners

00:54:48.120 voting for foreigners who shockingly just come in and defend foreigners and don't care like if

00:54:53.940 and you if you are uh i mean gosh just this because back when i lived in london these diversity

00:55:01.240 barriers weren't in trafalgar square this is a new invent this is this is new and this will just

00:55:07.460 Across all of Europe now as well, the cost of migration is that you have to have concrete barriers to stop the people that the government lets in the country from mowing you down.

00:55:17.780 Yeah, but they won't stop them. They won't stop them.

00:55:23.020 And this is not even to mention, of course, those who have actually lost their lives to mass immigration, which we never asked for.

00:55:30.200 and the other thing as well to draw this back to world war one of course one of the things that was

00:55:35.540 offered as consolation to all of those soldiers because you've got to remember of course that

00:55:42.700 when world war one started 40 percent of british men still couldn't vote because they weren't

00:55:48.080 weren't property holders and they didn't have the eligibility for it good times right but but then

00:55:55.020 they come out of world war one and they finally have the franchise and what was the point of that

00:56:01.100 what was the point of that if every time they tell you how to what they're voting for you say yeah

00:56:07.080 we hear you but actually we're just going to flood your country and make it unrecognizable

00:56:11.300 so even when this democracy that we live in you've never shown any attempt to actually do that make

00:56:19.520 the promises that you actually sorry that you actually pledged or to hold yourself to those

00:56:24.260 promises. And this is not even to go into the actual country that you expect us to die in

00:56:29.640 defence for, presumably. As you said, Josh, I mean, a lot of the press ganging of people,

00:56:35.840 and a lot of this is speculative and rumour from Reuters. This kind of deserves its own

00:56:42.340 segment, so I'm not going to go in it in great detail. But the Ukrainian government are having

00:56:47.780 enormous problems now with the people that they've enlisted and with chambers where they're

00:56:53.180 taking deserters etc etc um and we go through and then you just get the same thing from people like

00:57:01.380 lbc host tom saucebrook i just want to play this so so you're conscripted so we're knocking at your

00:57:08.020 door turn up to your local leisure center here's your bag and your gun basic trainings on friday

00:57:12.040 off you go by the way it's prison if you don't honestly for me i would rather take prison because

00:57:18.700 again i can't be in a position where i would would be in i'd be able to kill somebody else

00:57:23.860 under any circumstances yeah yeah under any circumstances so the russ the russians are

00:57:29.440 hoving into view across the channel uh dover's completely compromised hastings fallen um you're

00:57:35.400 told you've got to get down to your local i don't know why your local legend center uh your local

00:57:38.900 church is handing out guns and backpacks um you are required in the defense of your nation otherwise

00:57:44.060 this is it i know for a fact if i was to seize a russian on my borders for example i couldn't kill

00:57:49.840 them because i know that okay well you can stay and make the tea then or you can stay and fix the

00:57:54.840 guns or you can say you could do something you don't have to go and fight a russian or whoever

00:57:58.960 you just you you know but you're going to have to contribute to the war effort

00:58:02.060 it it really again it really depends on how significant the oh my god hang on so now i'm

00:58:08.860 asking you so you've turned up the local leisure center and we're telling you you're going to be

00:58:11.640 the chef. You're cooking the food for the troops

00:58:13.500 when they come back from the front line of Hastings.

00:58:15.560 You're going to cook it. You wouldn't do that either.

00:58:19.200 I

00:58:19.560 would support in some capacities.

00:58:22.020 Right, you're asking. You're cooking.

00:58:23.760 There you go. You're the chef.

00:58:25.100 I'm a pretty good cook, to be fair.

00:58:26.840 Brilliant. Okay, so you'll do it.

00:58:29.720 It would be a very limited...

00:58:31.440 Unbelievable. You'll do lunch and no dinner.

00:58:35.700 Does anyone know where Tom Salzbrook

00:58:37.620 managed to find the goal

00:58:39.380 to take such a high and mighty tone?

00:58:41.640 I know, yeah, just thinking that.

00:58:43.600 Tom, your entire career and the career of all of your LBC panellists

00:58:48.700 is just to look down your noses at every legitimate concern

00:58:53.500 that the British public actually has about the way that we're being governed right now

00:58:57.260 and tell us that we deserve nothing but contempt

00:58:59.820 and frankly shouldn't have an opinion in this democracy.

00:59:03.020 And then you just turn around and you're like,

00:59:04.740 oh, well, I can't believe that you wouldn't even do that for us.

00:59:08.380 It's like...

00:59:09.340 I mean, I was with him when he said he would go to prison over being conscripted,

00:59:14.020 but then when he said it was because he didn't want to kill anyone,

00:59:17.300 I was like, blimey, have you been around the world?

00:59:20.440 Very annoying people out there.

00:59:21.880 But again, it's like, oh, so you're there, you're at Dover,

00:59:25.560 the Russians are coming to your shores and you're about to be invaded.

00:59:28.660 Tom, we're already being invaded.

00:59:31.400 We've been invaded drip, drip, drip over the decades now

00:59:36.140 without our consent, changing everything about justice, about democracy, about the English

00:59:43.900 identity, all of it, absolutely everything about our society is being transformed by mass immigration,

00:59:51.040 which is an unconsented invasion of this country. And you'll just hear like, oh, but, you know,

00:59:56.300 as soon as he's a Russian, you expect us to all be behaving like it's 1914. It's not 1914. And if

01:00:03.240 you expect the british public to have the gusto and patriotism of 1914 then perhaps

01:00:09.800 you shouldn't have advocated for so many of the things that have been done to us for the last 80

01:00:15.060 years i don't know what to tell you and so i'll just end with this which is that this is a social

01:00:22.100 contract nick 30 nick dead at 32 in eastern ukraine and simon and linda are still on their p&o cruise

01:00:29.160 is really what it's going to come down to and so yeah look at the end of the day

01:00:36.920 whether or not uh our leaders have just worked themselves up into hysterics about something

01:00:43.940 that isn't going to happen and i agree with you stelios as well i don't think this is going to

01:00:49.080 happen in the near future i still think if that does actually if it does actually come to it

01:00:56.180 then we need to bear a lot of this stuff in mind.

01:01:01.920 Right.

01:01:04.780 That's random.

01:01:05.620 It says, Dover's compromised, Hastings's fallen.

01:01:07.660 Haven't they already?

01:01:09.200 Yeah, okay.

01:01:10.720 Habsification, we don't have a single industrial capacity,

01:01:14.000 nor the precursor for the industrial capacity.

01:01:16.200 We don't even have the access of the lithography machine

01:01:20.000 to make the chips needed for modern warfare.

01:01:22.320 Fiktagius says the government should go and recruit everyone that voted Labour but I get

01:01:27.840 the feeling every Labour voter that believes Russia is a threat would refuse to join up

01:01:31.700 as Scott Seguys says a level of delusion is actually quite impressive asking young men

01:01:37.380 to fight something that they are destroying yep true Cranky Texans says who are the country's

01:01:43.140 enemies where and why are they going to attack why are they operating on the West Agenda 2030

01:01:48.300 schedule yeah good question and bald eagle says imagine the number of willing desertions and

01:01:55.400 surrender to russian forces then imagine those men coming back as agents for russia and just

01:02:00.540 derail things domestically also as well there's the whole question of whether or not after even

01:02:06.480 if you do go sign up whether or not you're just going to get back and be prosecuted by people

01:02:10.760 like lord hermer anyway right jolly time go on then okay so i want to say before youtube starts

01:02:19.480 to our audience first of all i love you you know that already but i felt the need to say so

01:02:24.600 so now i'm gonna do a segment that is gonna be a bit less euro centered we're gonna go to india

01:02:34.280 right to Bharat and Josh I want to say glory to Bharat right okay good for you so segment starts

01:02:46.020 now several Indians in 2026 are talking a lot about insects and they're very worried about

01:02:56.480 insects destroying their country we have here vikram pratap singh applying the uh schmittian

01:03:06.100 friend enemy distinction to india and he says difference is very simple you're with india or

01:03:13.000 you're with cockroaches have they discovered that cockroaches eat uh you know cow dung is that why

01:03:19.920 they're angry no idea you'll see you'll see josh okay okay uh vikram prathap singh chose india

01:03:25.980 so this is what he said let's hear the cockroach we have here sandeep holder saying let us come

01:03:33.420 together check keep india clean from cockroaches and he has this uh the flag of barat keep india

01:03:42.860 clean what i like the the slogan keep india clean they should run on that he says it would be very

01:03:47.740 popular but uh modiji's government has tried to make a cleanliness a part of life they they do

01:03:54.220 have a separate initiative we can talk about this another time and it says here uh keep india clean

01:04:00.500 from cockroaches let the people come to jantar mantar new delhi let us see how cockroaches

01:04:06.700 survive so these are strong words i like how come to delhi and let's see if a cockroach can survive

01:04:13.680 they can survive nuclear blast but can they survive delhi

01:04:18.880 right so we have here someone from pakistan uploading a video extending support to cockroaches

01:04:25.680 in india right this is his words right and he tells them to stay safe always now i don't know

01:04:36.240 that much about what is happening there but if someone from pakistan is trying to

01:04:44.160 interfere in indian politics that would be a red light a red alert for me they're not

01:04:50.640 exactly famous for getting along are they yeah so let's see what's this about so prashant umrao

01:04:58.240 says here what happened in france is exactly what the cockroaches want to do to delhi

01:05:02.800 cockroaches of france succeeded cockroaches of india failed because india has modi g let's play

01:05:10.560 this without sound what's with the modi g thing has he gone for a sort of gangster phase like

01:05:15.880 i just knew him as narenda modi it's a term of endearment okay modi g i think it's used as

01:05:23.520 saying modi sir or it's it's a it's like uh the japanese saying sam at the end of someone's name

01:05:29.260 it certainly is joshy g i don't know if we can talk about cultural comment commentability

01:05:35.420 here but it's a term of endearment and deep respect okay so you see here um you see here

01:05:41.420 uh modi g entering in the house modi g in the house and he says he's gonna set or order in

01:05:51.740 india and uh according to prashant umrao these are his words not mine cockroaches want to do

01:05:57.580 arson in delhi but delhi police and pm modi stopped them otherwise they would have looted our shops

01:06:04.220 destroyed our temples and bird burned our institutions like in france well i imagine

01:06:10.060 it wouldn't be just like france because i imagine these cockroaches are domestic

01:06:15.420 unless they've come from abroad of course let's see we have mass mobilization against so-called

01:06:22.220 cockroaches here we also have um a party called bajrang dal who are um urging indians to mobilize

01:06:32.620 against cockroaches and they're saying cockroaches from germany and gutters have i think he wants to

01:06:40.540 say united against india and hindus says it's high time that bajrang dal and all hindus organ

01:06:47.260 org united counter the arguments of cjp which is the cockroach party to be fair the gutter roaches

01:06:53.340 are the worst i agree with him there and oh just i just want to say this it's just this is across

01:06:58.380 the you could say across the spectrum so i just checked out who these guys are i'm not saying i

01:07:04.140 support them they are um essentially the bajrang dal they are an india hindutva militant organization

01:07:11.820 they've got a white guy as their their ideology here says hindutva hindu nationalism islamophobia

01:07:17.900 anti-christian sentiment anti-lgbtq sentiment right so they're against cockroaches as well

01:07:25.340 so-called they're sort of sympathetic to the people that the the cow gangs that go out and

01:07:30.780 capture people who are mean to cows i covered this before um yeah they shot some people because they

01:07:37.260 suspected they had a cow in their car which you would presume you could see but alas don't put a

01:07:44.200 cow in your car that's good advice that's good advice yeah here we have uh an account saying

01:07:51.420 cockroaches of india and then another cockroach youth wing so it's weird that they say that they

01:07:58.260 have a youth wing what's the lifespan of a it's supposed also to be a uh youth movement but

01:08:03.260 that's just uh pedantics being pedantic and they say people were gathered in yesterday's rally in

01:08:10.700 ramlila maidan delhi against vote chori and save democracy delhi and here you can see this and

01:08:17.280 their words not mine they say we are hashtag cockroaches we loved india we serve for india

01:08:24.100 that's a big gathering it looks like more like a huge concert but maybe maybe that i think that's

01:08:30.720 just what it looks like that's what it looks like in india all the time isn't it just

01:08:35.680 right larger population so several videos have circulated some of them have gone incredibly

01:08:41.280 viral with millions of views um and they're saying i'm proud cockroach not a parasite

01:08:49.040 not attacking the system but questioning it says yes we are cockroaches and we are proud

01:08:55.920 it's like cockroach pride says we are young we are awake we demand justice we've been saying

01:09:00.800 this you know first it's gay pride then what this is where it leads and say hashtag i'm proud

01:09:07.280 cockroach so what happened and it says here my my uke biswas uh says sir the dinosaurs are gone

01:09:16.240 but the cockroach has survived so what happened it all we have people saying here now even more

01:09:22.960 mobilization october the 10th cockroaches from across india coming and they're saying we are

01:09:29.200 cockroaches at dadar shivaj shivaji park right here we have these close open quote cockroaches

01:09:40.080 close quote are now emerging from different parts of india and they're saying you know there's mass

01:09:45.600 mobilization we have this video on that you know people are saying cockroaches over our society

01:09:53.840 they are using the term essentially to identify as this but how did it start right here we have

01:10:00.160 a 22 year old mumbai resident arriving wearing a cockroach costume having earlier dressed as a bat

01:10:06.880 for the October 10th downgrade and to roach man like Halloween a dress as a

01:10:16.000 bat batman Indian Batman now there dresses have like a cockroach and then

01:10:21.020 and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then a roach

01:10:22.180 man okay oh man I think that's gonna look close and he said he orders the

01:10:30.120 costumes from the UK to draw attention and convey his message right here we

01:10:35.320 We have people walking in a weird way, let's look at this. Look at how they're walking.

01:10:42.320 What he said, can you understand what he said?

01:10:48.320 No. Something's booking me here. Sounds like I've got a spam phone call.

01:10:53.320 Can you translate? No. No, I cannot.

01:10:57.320 Right, so, how did it start?

01:11:00.320 right what he said you know okay so it started with cunt right what yeah chief justice surya

01:11:09.920 cunt all right he says there are parasites attacking the system and he said this is his quote

01:11:17.200 all right that's a very philosophical surname luca why no no like emmanuel cunt it's the same

01:11:22.880 concerning yes you're right I'm very sorry and he said something that several Indians

01:11:32.740 took issue with and personally if you ask me understandably he says there are youngsters

01:11:38.860 like cockroaches who don't get any employment and don't have any place in the profession

01:11:45.200 some of them become media some of them become social media some of them become RTI activists

01:11:52.480 some of them become other activists and they start attacking everyone how does one develop

01:11:57.840 into a social media i wonder or let alone media you know maybe this has to do with

01:12:05.600 direct translation i grow up i want to be a magazine but he says basically there are lots

01:12:10.720 of jobless people who are good for nothing according to him and to me they take a microphone

01:12:19.040 and they think they know everything about society and they want to tell everyone how society runs

01:12:24.640 and they've never even worked but several indians were really annoyed with this and

01:12:30.880 we have here someone in england interrupting one of his

01:12:35.520 We're the biggest country on earth.

01:12:38.840 We're the biggest country on earth.

01:12:41.080 Why isn't the technology working?

01:12:43.460 What do you want to do with it?

01:12:44.620 Please, please.

01:12:47.320 Anyway, so Surya Kant was talking in England

01:12:52.420 and someone interrupted his talk and says we're the biggest country on earth.

01:12:57.000 He means population-wise, not area-wise.

01:12:59.480 Show some respect.

01:13:01.160 This was a very bad comment.

01:13:02.740 Now, there has been a tremendous dissatisfaction with Surya Khand, the Chief Justice, and the people we have here, Indians dressing up as cockroaches.

01:13:14.500 Delhi youth dress up as cockroaches to clean the Yamuna.

01:13:17.440 Oh, certainly not the wrong materials, aren't they?

01:13:19.360 Cleaning a river, blimey.

01:13:20.940 There's like a radio journal or video from a river there, but fair to them.

01:13:26.060 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:26.480 They're cleaning it, and that's a good thing.

01:13:28.320 And they're saying here, the Indian Express, youth volunteers dressed as cockroaches in clean parts of the Yamuna after Chief Justice of India Surya Kant reportedly said during a recent Supreme Court hearing some jobless youth in law, like cockroaches, become media.

01:13:46.320 Sorry, it's just so weird when you read it in English.

01:13:49.820 Activists and attack the system, sparking debate online.

01:13:52.820 and they say instead of only reacting on social media here you can see them

01:13:57.000 dressing with a cockroach helmet that's that's actually funny they carried out the protest on

01:14:03.080 the banks of the river i like how when you carry out a protest in india rather than making a mess

01:14:10.260 as you do in in the developed world you tidy it up i'm so angry i'm gonna tidy everything up well

01:14:16.160 you will see what she made me do you'll see here because there's a um narrative war about this

01:14:22.480 because supporters of the cockroach movement,

01:14:28.380 they incorporated the term, right?

01:14:30.520 It's their words, not mine.

01:14:31.900 They incorporated it in order to say,

01:14:33.200 Hey, you know, I just, you know,

01:14:36.380 we don't care about Surya Cunt.

01:14:39.340 We are going to use this name.

01:14:41.100 And the government says essentially

01:14:44.900 that they are disruptive elements

01:14:47.380 and their demands are illegitimate.

01:14:49.740 they are basically saying our demands are legitimate and they are cleaning up the river

01:14:55.120 but they have caused mess let's be honest they have engaged in protests and in some cases these

01:15:02.140 protests have turned um a bit uh have taken a sort of rambunctious way that said modigy has

01:15:10.920 cracked it down has cracked these protests down in a way that macron would be very um

01:15:17.100 it makes macron look like an amateur oh that's irrespective of whether the demands are correct

01:15:24.620 or not or legitimate or not the crackdown of the protest modi scores 100 macron scores zero

01:15:33.340 right so he had to take it back somehow and he said that he won't he tried to um

01:15:40.380 make excuses and he said that uh he was misquoted and he was criticizing those with fake degrees

01:15:47.500 but it was too late uh here we have top indian judges uh controversial remark triggers satire

01:15:53.980 and protest what this happened it triggered the movement they started identifying as cockroaches

01:16:00.060 and they turned into the um cockroach movement and they started political activism and in so

01:16:09.420 like how lots of these graphics are ai generated um just throwing that observation out there

01:16:15.420 that's all but but they they do have a degree of creativity right and it was satirical but uh that

01:16:22.540 it's good that's good energy at least from that respect so let's see here we have uh i'll just

01:16:28.300 tell you what she says afp news agency and she says that a viral post spark a gen z zed movement

01:16:36.060 in india right so essentially if you look at it indian gen z has a lot of concerns that gen z in

01:16:46.300 the west has they're talking about the same things not always identical but they're talking about the

01:16:52.460 cost of living they're talking about a a system that has forgotten them and doesn't work in their

01:17:00.460 favor plumbing system they're talking about a political system josh okay thank you public

01:17:07.580 relations graduate abhijit dipke said he didn't intend to spark a student movement with his

01:17:13.420 satirical online post after india's chief justice surya kant reportedly likened young people who

01:17:20.140 criticize the government to cockroaches and parasites right and now we have western media

01:17:25.340 trying to lend a hand of support to the protests and they're saying essentially india's own

01:17:32.460 affordability and jobs crisis drives a growing cockroach protest a brewing of affordability

01:17:38.700 crisis rising youth unemployment and a flippant remark calling young people cockroaches by the

01:17:44.060 country's chief justice have triggered a spontaneous political movement across india's across india's

01:17:51.340 gen z right so we have here the guardian it started in may then and then we have had a number of

01:17:58.940 protests right they escalated in may they escalated also in june the crackdown was immense and

01:18:06.140 immediate and um where is it here modi g engaged in this crackdown and they had videos

01:18:15.340 when they say cockroaches in life cockroaches in detention but never forget as cockroaches never

01:18:22.640 die cockroaches of india that comes from cockroaches of india they're uh they're half a

01:18:28.180 million followers yeah i mean yeah i suspect that for india that's modern well i'm sure it's okay

01:18:34.100 Yeah, it's like 0.001%.

01:18:36.700 So they are asking for the education minister to resign

01:18:45.620 for something that actually is an issue.

01:18:48.400 We will talk about it in just a moment.

01:18:50.900 Here the health minister of Arunachal Pradesh

01:18:54.360 called cockroaches back anti-national.

01:18:57.500 So you see the rhetoric from the government is

01:19:01.500 you are disrupting society you are essentially anti-indian you are a you are essentially a

01:19:09.280 movement that isn't organic and is ripe to be co-opted by foreign interests and by people who

01:19:17.260 want instability in india what i would like to see here is similar to that in liberia you know

01:19:22.940 how you have these warlords like general mosquito and his nemesis is general mosquito spray you know

01:19:29.120 you could have the cockroaches and their arch nemesis bug spray party or something like that

01:19:34.800 so i want to say when you see youth movements youth movements generally speaking very very

01:19:39.840 often more often than not they're very prone to be co-opted by communists eventually

01:19:46.240 that said when it comes to these movements it's important to see first of all why do they spring

01:19:51.840 up because if society runs like clockwise or in a clockwork fashion lots of these rhetorics

01:20:00.640 the very grievance based rhetorics don't find fertile ground to grow and you do see

01:20:07.600 several people in india trying to be very casteist and looking down upon their population like you

01:20:15.200 You see here Alpacania saying, he is busy building Bharat, you are jobless.

01:20:21.840 When such real sensible Gen Z of India is with Modi G, cockroaches, snakes or pigs don't matter.

01:20:28.000 That's their words, not mine.

01:20:29.600 So you see this, they have a very hateful way of looking at, let's say, the lower classes.

01:20:37.580 I mean, I'm all for class snobbery, but I have seen them going out and tidying things up.

01:20:43.520 and you know it is legitimate to actually be concerned about your future and especially when

01:20:48.960 you've got a very large population you've got to be very good at managing that and making jobs for

01:20:54.560 the youth and the like or you could just export them all across the globe right not do that so

01:20:59.840 me neither um i saw in several places that they're saying that the cockroach movement has

01:21:07.440 support to the to the millions but to the low millions like three four five maybe it's a bit

01:21:14.560 more right uh in india that's less than one percent of the population that said it doesn't mean that

01:21:22.400 there aren't issues and i'll just show you some of them because this to this is evolving right

01:21:28.080 it's very early days right so it says here in india there are 370 million people between the

01:21:33.680 ages of 15 and 29 this summer student activists begun protesting corruption in the education system

01:21:39.840 the students were met with violence from indian police and paramilitary even when they were

01:21:44.720 compliant with all instructions they were constantly beaten slapped with open palms and

01:21:49.600 kicked one participant said that's from the new yorker and here i'll just going to say something

01:21:55.360 which is a bit concerning it says here india what's driving the intense pressure pressure on

01:22:00.800 students and they are saying essentially that they had they have had a scandal here that's why

01:22:05.920 the cockroach movement is asking for the education minister to resign because it has to do with a neat

01:22:14.640 medical sorry that's an unfortunate acronym in britain the neat medical entrance exam

01:22:21.680 in britain neat means not in education or employment right right so uh here it's about

01:22:29.600 medical, it's about medical school. It says here, this weekend more than

01:22:33.620 2 million medical aspirants retook the exams, the exam

01:22:37.760 onto multilayered security across thousands of centers, featuring

01:22:41.720 strict surveillance measures like facial authentication, biometric checks

01:22:45.800 and thousands of signal jammers. India offers roughly

01:22:49.240 130,000 medical undergraduate seats distributed across more than

01:22:53.840 800 medical colleges nationwide for the 2.27

01:22:58.140 million students who took the neat medical entrance exam this year but there was a problem

01:23:05.660 someone leaked the papers and they're saying that these exams had to be retaken oh right and that

01:23:11.500 led to mass uh protests and also mass anxiety and several issues and they're saying that there is

01:23:20.460 tremendous pressure on students and students have a tremendously high suicide rates according to

01:23:28.140 Deutsche Welle here, and I saw this in several other media outlets, they're saying something

01:23:33.160 like India's suicide issue stretches far beyond neat, the country recorded almost 14.5 student

01:23:42.580 suicides in 2024, and they're saying that students accounted for 8.5% of all suicides

01:23:48.520 in the country and represented the fifth largest occupational category among suicide victims.

01:23:53.560 And it is rising. The 2024 figure is 4.3 percent higher than its 2023 counterpart.

01:24:03.660 And anyway, they're talking here about several issues, the competitive ecosystem, all sorts of things.

01:24:10.380 And here, top court expresses concern.

01:24:14.580 And they're talking about rising, that it isn't an isolated incident. It is a pattern.

01:24:21.200 So this is something that irrespective of whether the protests are legitimate or not, generally speaking, these are some issues that probably Maldi G's government needs to take into account.

01:24:37.860 And then the movement has evolved and now they're talking about, they have democratic concerns as well.

01:24:45.120 they says um that's from october the second about a month ago but these protests are ongoing every

01:24:52.340 now and then they're erupting they're saying now they're launching new protests over changes to

01:24:57.360 vote a role and they are saying that thousands gathered in mumbai with heavy police presence

01:25:02.460 as concerns man that millions will be denied voting rights so these are some protests that

01:25:08.200 we are gonna look again we're gonna hear from again we're gonna revisit them but i hope that

01:25:14.380 this was a good introduction into this disturbing and turbulent matter.

01:25:21.180 Very good. Thanks, Stelius.

01:25:22.580 Welcome.

01:25:23.220 All right. I suppose for the sake of time, then, we ought to go over to video comments,

01:25:28.380 if you've got them, Harry.

01:25:33.040 No, all right. That's okay. In that case, I'll just go to Rumble Rants here. We've got

01:25:39.060 bald eagle says funny how the indian government can take such a hostile and hateful stance against

01:25:44.700 indians yet when western politician does it everyone loses their mind merrick mel says

01:25:52.280 does restore britain have planned for extraordinary uh industrial ownership of indian corporates in

01:25:59.200 the united kingdom from auto steel our biggest oil refinery and also building europe's biggest

01:26:04.800 battery plant in Somerset I do believe that there is restored policy to basically make sure that

01:26:12.900 key strategic industries obviously don't fall into the hand of foreign powers and companies

01:26:17.460 yeah well I helped write it so yes it is um yeah obviously we we understand the the need for

01:26:26.460 national self-sufficiency and also re-industrialization both for its own sake

01:26:30.880 and for military ends as well and these are things that we're um very focused on because

01:26:38.500 they're incredibly important and one of the wrongs that definitely need to be righted in this country

01:26:43.040 very good uh do you want to read a thing or two comment or two from your segment sure

01:26:48.140 omar awad says uh the biggest swing was white men 18 to 28 i believe people when they say they'd

01:26:54.920 rather be poor than replaced but the gap's favorite strategy was to call these guys lazy

01:26:59.300 welfare queens while 99% of jobs went to women promoting ethnic candidates like Vivek and not

01:27:05.160 going after employers of illegal labour. Vance might sound based and in touch now, but he's got

01:27:10.700 conflict of interest on one of those issues he's suspiciously quiet about. I agree, yes, and I think

01:27:16.200 that the immigration question is going to be central. I had to learn from ODG. Yeah. Alex

01:27:25.820 Ogle says, Ilhan Omar will not get away with her alleged immigration fraud scot-free.

01:27:31.920 Yes.

01:27:32.780 I mean, wasn't there more evidence to suggest that the guy she married was actually her brother as well?

01:27:39.460 I saw that recently.

01:27:40.200 I didn't look into it properly.

01:27:41.840 But, you know, black mark against Somalia's name.

01:27:45.200 If ever, there could be even more.

01:27:46.720 Yeah, pretty damning.

01:27:47.900 also as well

01:27:49.580 Sal the Hamster from the

01:27:51.740 chat

01:27:53.560 just let Luca know his Senate terms is six years

01:27:55.920 thank you for the correction

01:27:57.540 and forgive me the ignorance

01:27:59.040 from my segment then Luke Cooper

01:28:01.720 says we've ruined your life and your country

01:28:03.900 and you won't die for us how childish

01:28:05.860 yeah that really does seem to be the attitude

01:28:08.160 also says

01:28:10.260 sorry it was a comment that I was going to read

01:28:14.020 and I've just lost

01:28:14.680 Oh, Michael DeVol says, Lucas' segment seems like a really good time to remind people to check out Blackadder Goes Forth.

01:28:20.540 Hugh Laurie's lines about signing up with the Pals Brigade and his recounting of where his pals were now.

01:28:25.980 The entire final episode is at once extremely funny and painfully heartbreaking.

01:28:30.260 Yeah, it's one of the greatest things in all British television, to be honest with you.

01:28:35.280 Very powerful stuff.

01:28:36.560 Those Pals Battalions are very dark in a way because you go to a rural town in England or elsewhere in the country,

01:28:43.320 there's one uh in princeton only a small place really you know only about i don't know 100 200

01:28:49.520 people there but you look at the monument to world war one or world war ii there are many many names

01:28:55.640 there and of course you you get all of these people from the same place um and they get a

01:29:00.320 difficult part of the front line and they all get wiped out and then all of a sudden a town is left

01:29:05.820 without any men to come home again and it's a very sad thing it is very dark um uh see see here

01:29:13.280 speaks as the absolute goal of these people who expect us to believe men can become women by

01:29:17.980 removing their gentles britain belongs to everyone wanting safer borders is racist and now trying to

01:29:24.520 convince us to go to war for them they're now trying to convince us that the russians are going

01:29:28.560 to maraud across europe and end up on our shores although the russians have only managed to occupy

01:29:33.660 one-fifth of ukraine in four years and uh do you want to just read a comment or two from your second

01:29:39.200 Yes, so Lord Inquisitor Hector X says, don't have a cow man.

01:29:45.780 Nathan Badger says, I was in India when they arrested the cockroach leader when he landed in Delhi.

01:29:52.280 Michael Drabelby says, criticizing fake degrees.

01:29:55.160 This judge probably has a fake degree.

01:29:57.960 Come on, it's India.

01:29:59.040 They've got more bought degrees than earned ones.

01:30:00.980 And Stammer's Fiery but Mostly Peaceful Backdoor says, this is without a doubt one of the stereo segments of all time.

01:30:08.460 well that is certainly true and an honorable mention uh lotus driver says if you are firm

01:30:14.800 for more than four hours consult your doctor sounds doesn't sound like a problem to me i've

01:30:21.260 been firm since i've been born all right well we hope you've enjoyed the show today ladies and

01:30:26.180 gentlemen do come back in half an hour for lads hour and if for whatever reason you don't have a

01:30:32.300 jolly good weekend and enjoy the fireworks. Take care.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - November 06, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1544

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