The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - April 12, 2025


Douglas Murray vs. Dave Smith on Joe Rogan's Podcast - Beware of Credentialism (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_818)


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Gad Saad's thoughts on the late Douglas Murray West and Dave Smith's chat on the first episode of his new show, "The Dark Side of the Internet" and how it relates to the world of comedy.

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00:00:00.560 hi everybody this is Gad Saad as you know if you follow any of my work I'm someone who is
00:00:08.480 fully steeped in academia that's all I ever wanted to do was to be a professor and a soccer player
00:00:15.280 and so of course education is central to my life's mission of course I think that everyone
00:00:25.040 should study as far and as long as they possibly can in the book on happiness I discuss
00:00:34.000 the case two cases where people decided to go on and study very late in life one example
00:00:41.200 is of a gentleman who decided to pursue his undergrad well into his 60s then his masters
00:00:48.400 into his 70s and I think 80s and then completed his PhD in his early 90s this is someone
00:00:54.960 who graduated with his PhD at Concordia University my home university and then the other the other
00:01:01.680 gentleman who's been on my show Manfred Steiner if I remember correctly his name he was a medical
00:01:10.400 doctor who picked up a PhD in 1967 in biochemistry I believe while training to be a hematologist but
00:01:18.400 his first love was always physics so once he retired from medicine he went back studied physics and
00:01:25.040 finished his second PhD having already been a PhD and an MD in physics at 89 and he came on my show so
00:01:33.840 what I'm about to say is certainly not in any way an indictment on formal education and the
00:01:40.080 pursuit of the pursuit of a PhD and so on of course uh I support that and uh you know knowledge requires
00:01:48.000 people to be highly educated but I I'm saying all this in the context of having listened while driving
00:01:55.200 to Ottawa with my family two days ago I was listening to maybe the first 45 minutes of the chat between
00:02:03.440 Dave Smith uh whom I recently became familiar with and uh Douglas Murray who's been on my show in the
00:02:10.640 past and is coming back I think on April 21st and the first I guess that the time that I was listening
00:02:19.120 they hadn't really gotten into any content they were really addressing the matter that you know Douglas
00:02:25.840 picked up about you know why is it that you've got all these you know comedians and you know podcast guys
00:02:32.720 speaking about things that they know very little about and I understand the reflex and of course I'm a
00:02:39.440 big supporter and appreciator of Douglas Murray's work he's doing fantastic work and defending western
00:02:48.720 values and defending Israel against the barbarians who are trying to eradicate all Jews so obviously I'm a 0.88
00:02:56.240 fan of his work uh but I thought that the the manner by which he handled the you know you don't have the
00:03:04.080 credentials to speak about this I understand the reflex yes it is true that you know Joe Rogan invites people
00:03:11.680 uh where they're able to air out ludicrous ideas uh but my more general point was look free speech
00:03:20.800 absolutism is is about you know uh being able to handle the fact that people are going to be falsehood 0.99
00:03:28.320 spreaders imbeciles liars bigots and so on uh but I understand the reflex what's the point of using your 0.99
00:03:37.200 huge forum to allow people to air out complete nonsense but I thought it would have been probably 0.99
00:03:43.680 better if he just said here are 10 things that you guys espoused and let me address how each of them
00:03:50.560 is complete nonsense rather than saying you know we need historians to talk about these positions or
00:03:56.720 people who have the right credentials I think that's that's the wrong reflex to have I think it's much
00:04:03.280 better to judge people based on the ideas that they espouse and earlier today I put up a
00:04:11.360 a a post on my x feed where I said look in boolean algebra you can test or establish whether a statement
00:04:21.440 is true or false it's it's binary system uh based on axiomatic truths but based on axiomatic properties
00:04:32.080 right and that boolean algebra statement uh is true or false irrespective of whomever writes it down and
00:04:44.640 whomever reads it and so by a similar analogical reasoning uh a statement is true or false whether
00:04:54.000 it's a plumber who said it or a eminent historian or a fancy professor as a matter of fact as I have
00:05:00.800 explained repeatedly and certainly the parasitic mind all of the parasitic ideas that I discuss
00:05:06.800 in the parasitic mind stem from professors and in in channeling the spirit of orwell 0.82
00:05:16.480 it takes intellectuals to come up with some of the dumbest ideas so one has to be careful about saying 0.95
00:05:22.400 you know comedians can't say something or who are they to say something uh whereas we should let 0.96
00:05:29.200 the experts speak it was the experts who said that holding a rally with hundreds of hundred thousand blm
00:05:36.720 supporters would not be a danger in terms of covet spread so I really do understand the the sentiment that
00:05:47.280 Douglas was intimating uh but I do think that just stick to the
00:05:53.760 the 1.00
00:05:54.880 bullshit that those guys are spouting critique those attack those 0.99
00:06:00.400 without any appeals to credentialism and as a matter of fact here I prepared a list 0.99
00:06:05.440 I knew some of these but a few others I had to look up
00:06:09.680 hey do you know uh the most famous biologist in history his name is Charles Darwin doesn't have a phd
00:06:16.960 as a matter of fact doesn't have a phd
00:06:21.280 he's the most important biologist of all time
00:06:25.920 the creator of the theory of evolution
00:06:28.720 hey do you know uh Isaac Newton doesn't have a phd
00:06:33.840 doesn't
00:06:36.240 one of the biggest physicists and mathematicians in the history of the world
00:06:40.080 the world let's go on JBS Haldane JBS Haldane is someone that I have quoted in in the last chapter
00:06:48.720 of the consuming instinct my 2011 book I have a an amazing quote by JBS Haldane
00:06:56.160 who is a geneticist an evolutionary geneticist guess what he doesn't have a science degree he doesn't
00:07:03.760 have a phd his only degree was in classics let's go on Michael Faraday you know
00:07:13.120 Faraday in physics doesn't have a degree
00:07:19.120 John Maynard Smith one of the pioneers of evolutionary game theory doesn't have a phd
00:07:27.200 Blaise Pascal if you like the earliest uh proponent of what we now call game theory and a great philosopher and mathematician
00:07:37.600 was homeschooled let's go on
00:07:41.600 Freeman Dyson the American physicist doesn't have a phd again I'm not
00:07:49.120 I'm not
00:07:50.560 uh denigrating the pursuit of the highest possible
00:07:55.200 degree that one can attain in the university which is a phd
00:07:58.880 right I'm certainly not suggesting that uh there's no value to that of course there is
00:08:06.000 I would recommend that anybody pursue education as far as they can take it if you can pursue a phd
00:08:11.840 for no other reason than the intrinsic beauty of pursuing knowledge do it but
00:08:18.640 don't judge ideas based on who espouses the idea right Martin Daly and Margo Wilson the husband and wife
00:08:29.600 team two of the pioneers of evolutionary psychology are not evolutionary psychologists by training as a
00:08:35.920 matter of fact both of them did phds I think one of them on hamsters and the other one on on some other
00:08:41.840 primate species maybe it was rhesus monkeys I can't remember they're not evolutionary psychologists
00:08:47.600 they're the pioneers of evolutionary psychology and on and on and on people write to me well but you're not
00:08:53.680 an evolutionary biologist what why do you why are you an evolutionary psychologist right
00:08:58.960 well I trained my doctoral dissertation was in psychology of decision making
00:09:06.480 my doctoral supervisor got his phd in psychology
00:09:13.200 at university of michigan all of my training is in psychology but I trained at the johnson school
00:09:18.320 of graduate management oh but you can't talk about psychology and so on and so forth so
00:09:24.000 I can't talk about islam I'm not a theologian from al-azhar university in egypt and on and on so
00:09:30.560 usually the people who seek to delegitimize you because they say you don't hold you I can't talk about
00:09:39.200 the veracity of climate science uh climate alarmism I don't have a phd in climatology
00:09:46.720 no I have all the degrees that a human being could ever have but don't judge me based on that
00:09:54.960 judge me on whether the arguments that I make are stand the the rigor of all that the scientific method
00:10:05.280 can throw at my ideas and then we'll know if my ideas are worthy of keeping or not and so again 0.96
00:10:12.800 all of those guys that go on joe rogan that are buffoons they are buffoons because the stuff that 0.91
00:10:18.560 they are espousing is buffoonish it's not because they are not trained in that which 0.98
00:10:25.360 they are espousing nonsense about have a good day everybody cheers