00:03:07.860And then being this suddenly acquiring these extraordinary academic skills and becoming a star academic.
00:03:15.400And OK, so he's the youngest black folk professor in the history of Cambridge.
00:03:20.860Then within a few months, there was an academic named Dave Harris who tipped the Cambridge administration off that this professor, Jason Arday, was a plagiarist.
00:03:41.300And they told him to get lost, that they're not going to investigate.
00:03:46.240uh uh harris also notified some of the journals that had published the plagiarized uh articles
00:03:53.780the articles weren't just plagiarized but uh they also contained like made-up data
00:03:59.120he doesn't have any like quantitative data he he didn't do math it's auto ethnography yes
00:04:07.280the auto ethnography uh and but he would sometimes interview his friends who he
00:04:14.760euphemistically refers to as a convenience sample and he would just reprint what they said
00:04:22.520but sometimes he would steal the answers from other sources or he would recycle answers from
00:04:30.500paper to paper attributing in one case to an asian college student in another case to a latino
00:04:38.020professor. So a lot of issues. The journals also didn't really want to investigate. So
00:04:45.340they let Arde just insert citations to some of the plagiarized sources and issued a correction.
00:04:53.620So that was the beginning of the cover-up going back to 2023. They've also known for at least a
00:05:02.020year that Arde was a fabulist since he made up a story about being attacked by a racist within
00:05:07.920knife in his Cambridge office, which was about a year ago, and Cambridge investigated and it was
00:05:13.580all untrue. And they just intimidated people into not revealing the story. So according to
00:05:23.140a whistleblower on the faculty at Cambridge who tipped me off about this, he said most professors
00:05:32.480have known about it for a year and it hasn't the rumor the this knowledge hasn't escaped
00:05:39.160cambridge because everyone is terrified they won't even uh write one tweet about it so what
00:05:45.660was well two two questions first the allegations of plagiarism which based on the sort of cursory
00:05:54.820look that i gave to the issue seemed like they're pretty well founded were supposedly
00:06:01.340investigated, and he was cleared of them. Tell us about that, because that sounds suspicious.
00:06:09.720Well, he was investigated by the, because his dissertation contained very extensive plagiarism.
00:06:16.420He was awarded the degree by Liverpool John Moores University. And at some point, they investigated,
00:06:50.480And now, I mean, I can't speak to the standards of Liverpool, John Moores University, but yeah, I mean, for everyone else, it was plagiarism.
00:07:00.840Wow. Okay, so then, okay, having put that aside, because I saw many of the sort of DEI folks saying this was a witch hunt, there was no plagiarism, and based on the sort of simultaneous, where, you know, you would see his manuscript versus what was, where it was plagiarized from, it seemed like it was a pretty clear cut case, and there were many, many such instances.
00:07:23.000Okay. So I'm glad we cleared that up. How did you get involved in the story? So there was this
00:07:28.580original guy who, you know, a while ago had made those claims. It went nowhere. People at Cambridge
00:07:35.720knew about it. How does Nathan come into that ecosystem? So I had my own like free speech
00:07:42.640crisis at Cambridge when I was a Leverhulme early career fellow in the philosophy faculty
00:07:48.320in 2022 to 2025 and uh uh so i was known as a person who was concerned with the free speech
00:08:00.760issues and dei dei criticizing dei was what i got in trouble for now i left the university
00:08:09.860uh like right before this became an open secret about our day so i was not in the loop i didn't
00:08:18.720hear anything about it and finally uh an anonymous whistleblower i know who he is but obviously i
00:08:27.460can't say his name or who knows what the administration would do to him and what he
00:08:32.060would be murdered possibly if anyone found out what he did uh he contacted me he said
00:08:38.440And journalists have tried to write about it, and then they get intimidated into silence by legal threats. And everyone at Cambridge is afraid to say anything because the administration will retaliate. And he knows that I had a Substack newsletter and that I would understand the story and be able to communicate it.
00:08:57.820So he gave me this tip and then I was on June 13th and I investigated and yeah, I mean, it wasn't just the plagiarism. For me, the plagiarism was not the most shocking part of the story.
00:09:14.740But the fact that the stuff that wasn't plagiarized was, I mean, yeah, there's such a thing as qualitative research, but you can't just ask your friend to write, write something and then post it and then just say like, well, racism is a big problem and call that scholarship.
00:09:37.760Right. So basically, so there are two issues. There's first sort of the dishonest factor, and that takes on many different tints. It could be the plagiarism. It could be the shoddy research. It could be the made up data.
00:09:56.760data. Then there's also the life story that is completely, you probably know the reference
00:10:07.840Baron Munchausen, from which the term Munchausen syndrome and Munchausen syndrome by proxy come
00:10:15.500from. Baron Munchausen came up with all of these fabulous stories that he came up with. And then
00:10:21.460the psychiatric condition of Munchausen syndrome is when somebody feigns having an illness in order
00:10:28.500to garner empathy and sympathy. And so then I took that principle. And then in the parasitic mind,
00:10:33.680I talked about collective Munchausen, where people really think that the only way that they
00:10:38.660can ascend the social hierarchy is by confabulating their own victimhood story, hence Jussie Smollett
00:10:44.100or this guy so as you went ahead and then you know wrote that substat was it 99 percent
00:10:52.120nathan kofnis is the devil or did you get a lot of people saying thank you for your courage what
00:10:58.760give us the ratio just so we can get a sense of how lunatic the world has become
00:11:03.900well actually the the response was mainly positive it blew up on twitter within hours
00:11:10.520and it was just blowing up, blowing up for three days
00:11:14.620and finally the Telegraph picked it up
00:11:17.660and then the Times and Retraction Watch
00:11:19.640and then it was, you know, it was completely out of control.
00:11:27.100At first, well, the university replied
00:11:30.580because remember that they already knew all this stuff
00:11:34.660and they've been covering it up since 2023.
00:11:36.820uh so they they released a statement that said the critics of our day were waging a vile campaign
00:11:46.340obviously insinuating you know racism yeah and the good law project also came out strongly
00:11:54.780in defense of our day and they explicitly used the r word for us that included some
00:14:18.020he was such an embarrassment on april 5th they said okay yeah this is this is the end we're
00:14:26.740we're investigating you and within a few hours jason arday had resigned no one knows him
00:14:33.420probably exactly why he resigned or the circumstances but he would have realized
00:14:39.580that cambridge is no longer protecting him so that that showed um then around that time i went
00:14:48.940to london and i gave a bunch of interviews to like the times radio and other places like that
00:14:54.940and i got like a quite good reception so uh the vast majority of even the respectable press had
00:15:04.420come around to my point of view. Now it changed dramatically nine days after that, after the
00:15:12.120resignation, when our day committed suicide and the critics were now very much on the defensive
00:15:19.660and everybody's looking for a scapegoat for this bad outcome. There was Cambridge who set our day
00:15:27.960up, who knew that there was this scandal waiting to happen and they thought that they will just
00:15:33.920intimidate everyone into silence. And then when the scandal gets out, they had three years to
00:15:42.120figure out a solution. They could have created a non-research position for him or whatever,
00:15:47.320something, but they just let him crash and burn. Then once he becomes an embarrassment,
00:15:54.460they tell him to pack your things and go home. Then there was the press, which in a 22-day period
00:16:01.040published 249 articles about Arde and making fun of him and humiliating him. Two-thirds of those
00:16:08.320articles were after he had already resigned. So his part of the story was over. And instead of
00:16:14.500talking about the real wrongdoers, which was Cambridge, they were still making fun of Arde.
00:16:20.100now neither cambridge nor the press wanted to reflect on their own actions so it became
00:16:30.620convenient to blame uh the uh super stimulus scapegoat which is me right uh and now all of
00:16:41.600these i published one article about our day which was 100 factual there was no mistake
00:16:47.620It, hundreds of thousands of people have read it and no one has found any mistake that I
00:16:52.680made, but the, there was a rally in Trafalgar Square about a week ago, 30,000 people.
00:17:01.780It was called the Jason Arday vigil, but really, uh, largely a Kofnus hate rally speaker after
00:17:10.220speaker denouncing me by name, including a well-known politician, the union of British
00:17:17.600journalists published a statement on the death of Jason Arday, and they singled out one individual
00:17:25.040by name for criticism, which was me. Again, one article that was 100% factual, and everyone wants
00:17:34.860to pin the blame on me. So let me ask you, I mean, let's get into a bit, if you don't mind,
00:17:39.960the psychological sort of domino effects on you as a result of that reality.
00:17:47.840Notwithstanding the fact that, you know, both you and I undoubtedly would support
00:17:54.020the reality that these people should be identified, because truth is more important
00:18:01.340than any consequentialist, you know, ethic in this case. You are a human being, and I think
00:18:07.620undoubtedly an empathetic one, and I say that advisedly as the author of Suicidal Empathy.
00:18:14.500And so is there any part of you when you lay your head down at the end of the day on that
00:18:22.040pillow to fall asleep where you question yourself? No, I know I did the right thing from a
00:18:28.560deontological ethic perspective, but the consequence of my deontological pursuit is that
00:18:34.340a man has died of his own doing. I mean, he's the one who made his bed, and now he's laying in it.
00:18:39.800But do you feel a sense of uneasiness at the final tragic outcome?
00:18:47.560Okay, you know, it's obviously the negative situation, the terrible outcome. Nobody wanted
00:18:54.980that. You know, I've said from the beginning that I didn't want him to be fired. And I thought it
00:19:01.080would be better for him to remain the face of DEI at Cambridge for the next 27 years.
00:19:07.880That would have been the ideal outcome for me. And I thought, yeah, I mean, he engaged in
00:19:17.500some wrongdoing, but the punishment that he received was totally disproportionate
00:19:23.660to what he did wrong and you know he was largely yes he was he manipulated people and all that but
00:19:31.440he was following he was responding to incentives that were created by other people you know the
00:19:36.480white liberals who would never question him and he could just make up lie after lie and uh they
00:19:43.300wouldn't say anything because he's black and therefore you know get special treatment i think
00:19:47.860that in that sense, he was certainly a victim. But, you know, I think it's kind of, yes, there's
00:19:59.920some chain of causality that involves me in the bad outcome. But, you know, if you do the right
00:20:12.620thing and that some somehow leads to you know a bad outcome i i think it's kind of dangerous to
00:20:24.000to reflect on should i have done the right thing no i agree and that's why i use the terms
00:20:30.060deontological versus consequential is because the pursuit of truth has to be pursued and defended
00:20:36.600irrespective of because i mean otherwise that's how you fall into the trap of forbidden knowledge
00:20:42.200And this is what I call epistemological empathy in the book Suicidal Empathy, because if you're pursuing an epistemology of truth, you're saying, look, if I apply the scientific method in an unbiased and fair way, wherever that takes me, it takes me and that's fine.
00:21:00.340If I apply an epistemology of care rooted in misguided empathy, then I say, no, no, wait a second.
00:21:06.980You can't do research on racial differences along whichever trait, because that, if the results don't assort themselves in a way that is consistent with our preferred narrative, then that should be forbidden knowledge.
00:21:19.760So I completely hear you, which actually is a perfect segue to sort of the earlier clashes that you had in your career, whereby you did pursue certain areas.
00:21:28.980So we're forgetting now. We're putting aside, are they? You are a philosopher of biology. You study how biology is applied in the social sciences, which, of course, is pretty much my whole career. That's what I've done, applying evolutionary psychology to consumer behavior, economic behavior, the behavioral sciences.
00:21:51.000And so, you know, you've crossed swords with guys like Kevin MacDonald, who talked about a group selection strategy as a sort of evolutionary strategy for how Jews, you know, manipulate the world.
00:22:05.000You've looked at things like racial differences in intelligence and so on.
00:22:10.300Now, so in a sense, is your temperament such that you are the perfect person to do the are they, you know, sub stack, because you're not going to wilt away when you face a difficult problem?
00:22:27.100i mean you know i don't want to sound like you know self-congratulatory i don't think
00:22:34.460that is a total coincidence that i say true but unpopular things about certain
00:22:40.840academic topics and then i happen to be the person to say this
00:22:45.540i mean um like you know there were as i say there were thousands of people who knew about it
00:22:55.380No, but you had, sorry, you had the right temper because, so you were doing all that other stuff before our day, which does require courage. Many people would have walked away from that. Then it fell into your lap through the anonymous whistleblower.
00:23:11.460You could have certainly at that point made the decision of, well, I'm not touching this one, but then given your temperament, and I'm not trying to throw you flowers, but because of your temperament, you said, yeah, sure.
00:23:26.400No, objectively, yeah. So this is another reason why I'm a scapegoat and why I'm getting so much hate, is because people recognize, especially on the left, well, okay, now we've been forced to acknowledge that Kofnes was right about our day, and Cambridge, and the BBC, and Glasgow University, and Simon & Schuster, and everybody else is just lying.
00:24:24.760in his reporting on our day so yeah but we could still attack you for your motive right so
00:24:31.640so even if the veracity of what you wrote is perfectly accurate i can still i'm speaking now
00:24:41.160as the leftist the general i can still say but why why would you write such an article clearly
00:24:48.500there must be a nefarious reason for you to write such an article with such Jewy glee,
00:24:57.380Jewy, because you're Jewish. Yeah, well, I should say, too, that, you know, I don't want to make
00:25:02.000too big an issue out of it, but I think it would be a little bit harder to make the scapegoat
00:25:07.800thing stick if my name were, you know, Christopher Goyman. It's just, it's part of the package,
00:25:16.420You know, so you do think that there is a nice little sprinkling of Jew hatred because of your heritage, Jewish heritage that wouldn't be there if it were Joe Smith.
00:25:28.680And a lot of these people are saying also Kovnus is a Zionist, Zionist Kovnus and it's Zionist, you know, it's just a euphemism.
00:25:39.180right right gotcha how does so i presume obviously your closest members of your family
00:25:47.040have heard of some of the story whether it be your parents or i don't know if you're married
00:25:52.620or whomever is close in your life do they come around and say what the hell man nathan what
00:25:58.540why'd you go and do this or do they say there's my son i'm so proud of what's the reaction
00:26:04.620I mean, most of them are definitely nothing to do with any of this stuff.
00:26:09.180I mean, my wife, she obviously, like, it's a big concern, like a safety concern.
00:26:21.020I'm getting, I'm flooded with death threats and just more run-of-the-mill hate mail.
00:26:26.200you know there was a 30 30 000 person rally in trafalgar square where people are just
00:26:34.100screaming about me that i've killed jason arde so it's uh and you i i have connections to the uk
00:26:43.860not sure if i can go back there so you you genuinely feel that there is a threat to your
00:26:53.180person i mean it's in the uk how about in the greater uh europe i mean can you walk around in
00:26:59.620belgium on the street can you can you i was so i was assaulted uh in uh belgium after i gave a talk
00:27:09.800to a student group a uh and a guy wearing a keffiyeh threw a heavy bottle of uh yogurt
00:27:20.900forcefully at my face and uh wow yeah uh so i i'm definitely a target here and more so now
00:27:33.840more so now than before but does that so it i'll first answer it for myself and then i'll ask you
00:27:42.620to answer the same thing when people come after me it only riles me up so if you come after me
00:27:49.440I come after you 10 times more if you tag my university I'll tag my university and attack
00:27:56.960you endlessly for the next six hours so I never ever back that and it's not a strategy it's not
00:28:02.900anything it's just my temperament right I'm I'm a very affable warm guy but I also have the side
00:28:09.160of me whereby you know you you can't disrespect me you can't attack me you can't threaten me
00:28:15.320I'm never going to back down. It is your I mean, you seem like a pretty sort of gentle, soft spoken guy, but it's your inner inner dialogue that they will never shut me down.
00:28:30.020And this has increased my resolve to fight for truth. Or are you sort of sitting?
00:28:35.160Oh, gee, I just want to go back to writing a philosophy of biology article in some journal that nobody will ever read.
00:28:45.320I don't know. Maybe I'm just wired in a weird way, but it's like all this screaming at me or throwing stuff at me, whatever, like I say what I think is true and important. Like all that stuff is irrelevant to that.
00:29:03.500Wow, that's amazing. That's fantastic. Do you worry that moving forward, you've become this radioactive toxic stew? And I'd like to believe that there will be many people who listen to this chat and see you on other platforms and say, this is exactly the type of guy that we want.
00:29:26.900Look, and I'm a case of that, right? I mean, I've been doing what I've been doing for 32 plus years as a professor. I don't know, knock on wood, how I have survived all these years in academia. And then here I am, some really wonderful universities, including the one that I'm currently at, University of Mississippi, said, hey, this is the kind of guy that represents the kinds of, you know, ethos of liberty and freedom that we want, despite the fact that many other universities,
00:29:56.900view me as a toxic evolutionary Zionist pig who supports the genocide of Gaza and so on.
00:30:04.140So do you feel that, look, I could have been an obscure guy that's going to toil in postdoc
00:30:12.060after postdoc, or pragmatically, I'm now at the center of these important debates, and
00:30:19.260I can't wait for hopefully the right school to come along and rescue me.
00:30:23.360Where are you in that sort of career trajectory?
00:30:25.820Well, I'm very committed to the project of retaking the institutions. You know, I don't like the idea of slinking away and kind of doing my own, just doing the independent thing. Yeah, I do. I do that. I do a lot of work on Substack.
00:30:45.040But it's very important to have a physical presence, in my opinion, in important institutions, and not just cede them to left-wing activists. So I do want to obtain a position that I am qualified for.
00:31:05.100but uh yeah i mean there has been the last generation has really seen a purge
00:31:16.820of almost every anyone who would be in a position to get to you know recruit me now you're at a much
00:31:27.660earlier stage in your career than where i am so i can speak as someone who's longitudinally sampled
00:31:33.720many generations of students and so on. But at your stage right now, do you hold out hope that
00:31:42.080to your point about, you know, not ceding the ground to the ideologues, is there hope for the
00:31:48.720universities? Or do you think it's a slow death and all of these institutions, including, I mean,
00:31:54.300Cambridge? I mean, imagine Cambridge is succumbing to all this nonsense. Is there hope? Or do you
00:32:01.180think it's a losing battle. We should do what we can to muscle our way back in. I don't think that
00:32:08.360we can really reform institutions until there's significant cultural change. Right now, the
00:32:15.880wokeism, which I see as what follows inevitably from the denial of group differences in socially
00:32:24.540relevant traits that is the religion of the of the elites and it's not you know legislated
00:32:33.400there's no conspiracy it's just if you believe that all groups are innately the same then the
00:32:40.260existence of persistent disparities presents us with a moral emergency and everything about woke
00:32:46.320ism follows from that so people just have to understand until people learn to think biologically
00:32:53.460i uh i don't see any you know real prospect for for retaking i love that you said this because
00:33:05.300until people start thinking biologically so one of the parasitic ideas that i discuss
00:33:11.140in the parasitic mind is biophobia the fear of using biology to explain human phenomena
00:33:19.100And there is a wonderful term, not mine, called the human reticence effect, which basically posits, to your point, that it is perfectly reasonable to apply biological-based thinking, Darwinian thinking, to every single species on Earth except one that transcends biology.
00:33:40.800It's called Homo sapiens. But if we are going to provide affordances for the evolutionary
00:33:48.260mechanisms to seep into for human behavior, it has to stop at the neck. So using biology or
00:33:57.680evolution to explain why we have opposable thumbs, sure, that sounds great. Why our respiratory
00:34:02.360system is the way that it is, yeah, sure, that sounds great. But applying it for the most
00:34:06.660important organ that defines your personhood, now that's just quack pseudoscience. And that's
00:34:12.620how I originally, Nathan, started the idea of parasitic thinking was simmering in my head
00:34:20.54030 plus years ago, because I finished my PhD, I had gotten my evolutionary epiphany, I had read
00:34:27.660the book Homicide by Daly and Wilson, where they applied the evolutionary framework to
00:34:33.340study patterns of criminality. And I said, okay, great. I'm going to take that framework and now
00:34:38.560apply it to the behavioral fields that are most interesting to me. And I was housed in a business
00:34:43.220school. So I applied it to consumer behavior and to economic behavior and so on. And then I saw
00:34:49.220all of my colleagues who were either at the business school or in the social sciences
00:34:53.280say, what kind of nonsense is this? And then I started thinking, well, how could these supposedly
00:34:59.600intelligent people with many titles before their name and after their name be so imbecilic so
00:35:05.260removed from reality and then basically the parasitic mind just wrote itself i just collected
00:35:10.220enough evidence for 30 years and voila here comes suicidal empathy here comes so what's your
00:35:16.640explanation for biophobia several several reasons that's a great question and in one of my earlier
00:35:23.460books and The Consuming Instinct, I offer an exact explanation of what you just asked me.
00:35:30.720So let me give you a few. Number one, to the extent that many people have misused evolutionary
00:35:38.680thinking to pursue their political vision, then it becomes dangerous to apply biological-based
00:35:47.080thinking. So if the eugenicists say, hey, we need to get rid of people who may have the gay gene,
00:35:52.500Why don't we sterilize them? And therefore, we can select out. Of course, that mechanism doesn't work. But I'm using a, quote, pseudo Darwinian process. If the British social Darwinists, and I hate that term, or the social class elitists say, hey, there's a natural struggle between the upper and lower classes. This is in the 19th century. And if the lower classes die, they die of tuberculosis. Well, hey, that's just a natural struggle between social classes. It's Darwinian who gives a shit.
00:36:21.880if the nazis come along and say hey there's a natural struggle between races we're the aryans
00:36:27.160sorry jews gypsies you're out that's just darwinian so then here comes franz boas regrettably
00:36:33.520a fellow jewish cultural anthropologist who says why don't we now create a new reality
00:36:38.920so that we can build edifices of bullshit that are fully detached from reality but it leads to a good
00:36:47.340consequentialist outcome, which is we've at least protected against the possibility of biology being
00:36:53.440misused. So that would be one example. Can I give you one or two others, or do you want to interject?
00:36:57.420Well, I would say I did have some dispute with Kevin MacDonald about Franz Boas's role in
00:37:06.660bringing about this orthodoxy. You know, I trace the original statement of race denial, also the
00:37:17.140denial of individual differences to 1690 and john locke true he that he he literally said not only
00:37:23.960was he a blank slatist which of course he's very famous for but he said that there's no difference
00:37:30.080between groups if an englishman were born in africa or vice versa then they would just be like
00:37:34.980no difference at all um i think that it's uh that well blank slatism in general that the idea of
00:37:43.500human malleability is very appealing to like the leftist mind exactly right so so one of the other
00:37:49.560by the way i i only refer to franz boas because to the extent that he is the originator of cultural
00:37:56.620relativism then there is a very direct pathway from internalizing cultural relativism and then
00:38:02.460supporting open border policies as a suicidally empathetic position right who are you to judge
00:38:07.740whether other people can't assimilate as easily within the western tradition
00:38:11.620but but you are right John Locke said that he had the blank slate position but also behaviorism
00:38:18.060right the stimulus response model of John Watson and all these guys also was that so social
00:38:23.920constructivism goes in tandem with with biophobia and so you're exactly right so that's why I'm
00:38:31.240saying that my original impetus to write parasitic mind in 2020 really started in 1994 when I would
00:38:39.980make these arguments about, for example, how hormones affect women's beautification practices
00:38:48.700as a result of where they are in their menstrual cycles. And people would go completely wacko.
00:38:55.080Are you saying that human female consumers are no different than female chimpanzees? You quack
00:39:03.260pseudoscientists. So that's why I'm saying that the parasitic mind was a natural progression
00:39:08.700of all the lunacy i saw so but let's talk since you mentioned kevin i mean i originally referred
00:39:15.340to kevin mcdonald and you mentioned him tell us about that you know locking horn because once in
00:39:21.540a while not often i will get some sort of you know uh pro-white anti-jew guy quoting kevin
00:39:30.100mcdonald as the real evolutionary scientist whereas i'm just the fake evolutionary scientist
00:39:35.320Tell us about your locking horns with him.
00:39:38.180So, McDonald is an evolutionary psychologist who is at Cal State Long Beach, and he came up with the theory that Judaism is a group evolutionary strategy, that Jews are genetically and culturally adapted to undermine Gentile society for their own benefit.
00:39:57.840and specifically argues that the triumph of leftism
00:42:33.120by ethnocentrism and the desire to undermine Gentile society
00:42:40.180but preserve Jewish ethnic separatism is not based on real evidence.
00:42:48.140Right. And I mean, a current manifestation of this,
00:42:52.480picking the Jews whose positions you don't like,
00:42:56.460Oh, NGOs run by Jews are all about open border policies. George Soros is about the open, you know, open borders. And therefore, there is an inherent Jewish proclivity to undermine Western societies by having open borders, not recognizing that there are two pretty high profile exemplars of Jews.
00:43:23.360One is called Gatsad. One is called Stephen Miller, you know, the head czar of immigration in the Trump administration, who is also Jewish.
00:43:33.120But we are not the real representation of the Jewish position because we are anti-open borders.
00:43:40.860The real Jewish position is the George Soros one. That speaks to your point, yes?
00:43:45.580So the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society is very famous among anti-Semites.
00:43:53.360Constantly hearing about Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, there are eight organizations that are funded by the government to promote open borders.
00:44:04.300Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society is one of eight.
00:44:08.060There were like three or four Christian organizations and a few others that have nothing to do with Jews.
00:44:16.720So people select the one that's Jewish.
00:44:19.180And besides that, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society loves open borders for Israel, and they're doing everything they can to bring refugees and diversity to Israel. So these arguments fall apart often when examined.
00:44:35.700The other case that I'm familiar with regarding you locking horns with some academics is someone
00:44:42.380that I've had the distinct displeasure of interacting with, if only obliquely on a few
00:44:47.660occasions. And to my earlier point, when I find out that she's coming after me, I usually will
00:44:52.820spend four hours going after her until I get bored and move on to something else, is Rebecca Sear,
00:44:58.980who apparently came after you and taught Shackleford,
00:45:03.540but in an earlier time, she went after Satoshi Kanazawa,
00:45:07.480who's at the London School of Economics.
00:45:39.160I don't think I responded as far as I can remember.
00:45:42.880Well, maybe I need to implement your sort of, in French, you say mon fichiste, your kind of, I don't give a crap.
00:45:50.740Is that what led you to not respond because she wasn't worthy of your time? Because I'm sort of the opposite.
00:45:56.720Yes, I mean, I do ignore a million people who come after me, but someone who is at the, I don't know where she is exactly, somewhere in London or something.
00:46:05.060But, you know, she's the president of the Human Behavior and Evolution Society in the European edition.
00:46:11.420And she's been, I think, editor or, you know, consulting editor of several journals.
00:46:15.380When someone like that, with whom you would think I share many, many commonalities, intellectually speaking, in terms of our commitment to applying the evolutionary lens to human affairs, when she starts sort of really, I mean, just smearing me.
00:46:30.400She said that both Elon and I were instrumental in calling for civil war in Britain, where
00:46:38.560what I had said is that the natural outcome of the realities that we're seeing now will
00:46:59.400Did she do it recently? Because I know she did it some years ago. I do remember that. I don't remember replying, but did she do it recently, too?
00:47:09.660To you, I don't know. I just heard through other sources, because somebody saw my very pitbull responses to Rebecca Sear. They wrote to me privately.