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00:00:00.000 and we are joined now by gad sad he is the author of suicidal empathy dying to be kind he's an
00:00:07.200 evolutionary psychiatrist and uh gad let's start with uh what is happening in france you told the
00:00:12.800 wall street journal this summer and this was before the most recent riots that quote demography
00:00:17.280 is destiny go to france go to britain come to canada we are starting to disembowel ourselves
00:00:23.600 that's pretty strong stuff um so the ap uh i read them this morning they described what's going on
00:00:29.440 there as a quote nationwide protest against rising living costs and poor conditions in schools
00:00:36.800 um what's the difference and are you right and they wrong what's going on uh i'm 100 right and
00:00:43.120 they are foolishly and suicidally empathetically wrong right there's always an excuse that they
00:00:49.040 come up with for why these realities are taking place because to face reality head-on would be 0.92
00:00:55.680 simply too scary and so we come up with all sorts of euphemisms to try to protect against reality 1.00
00:01:01.680 example when all the muslims in france do all of the crazy things that they've been doing now for 1.00
00:01:07.720 several decades we don't refer to them as muslims we refer to them in french as les jeunes the youth 0.99
00:01:14.360 because it's just this affected youth that usually go around uh harassing and bombing jewish 0.99
00:01:20.800 synagogues it's just because they don't have good student faculty ratios in the classroom
00:01:25.620 that they throw Molotov cocktails at people. 0.96
00:01:28.180 So, of course, they're wrong,
00:01:29.940 but it's going to come back and bite them hard.
00:01:33.300 Gad, this is Carl.
00:01:34.860 I want to say this to our listeners.
00:01:37.500 You are a scholar of the Declaration of Independence Center
00:01:42.660 for the Study of American Freedom
00:01:44.300 at the University of Mississippi in Oxford.
00:01:46.740 So even though you have a continental sensibility,
00:01:50.420 you're in our Oxford, not their Oxford.
00:01:52.360 but but but i wanted you know this this france thing it took americans by surprise maybe it
00:02:00.380 shouldn't and as i'm looking at this this it looks like a coalition really i don't mean in any
00:02:06.740 organized way it may be organized but between islamicists and leftists in france but isn't
00:02:12.460 that what we isn't that what we had at columbia university the same the same they call it
00:02:18.360 intersectionality. You might call it, some people call it an axis of evil. I don't know what you
00:02:22.320 call it, but isn't that the same two forces? It is, right? They both share a disdain for the West,
00:02:29.000 and so they feel as though they can be bedfellows. Let's join together and bring down capitalism,
00:02:34.640 bring down American exceptionalism, bring down Western traditions, and then we will sort out
00:02:40.160 which of the two camps will kill the other one. Of course, they don't realize that once we bring
00:02:45.780 down the West, the kind and suicidally empathetic leftists will have a wake-up call when the 0.79
00:02:53.520 Islamists come after them. I should just mention, though, I only use the term Islamist because you 0.97
00:02:58.340 used it. There is no such thing as Islamism. There is no radical Islam. There is no Wahhabism.
00:03:04.280 There is no militant extremist Islamism, right? So if you add the magical ism after Islam, 0.92
00:03:10.240 it doesn't somehow make it distinct from Islam. There is only Islam. Now, many Muslims are 0.98
00:03:16.080 perfectly peaceful because they don't take their religion seriously. But there's only one set of 1.00
00:03:21.400 canons known as Islam. And therefore, to try to find ways to euphemistically soften the blow on 0.95
00:03:28.840 Islam is probably not a good idea. Well, we don't like to get nasty letters to the editor, but I
00:03:34.260 I take your point. But let me ask you this, though, about that. I mean, you know, there are people, scholars, like my friend Shadi Hamid, who writes for the Washington Post. They don't ever come out and say this, but from my standpoint, and I'm not Muslim, I'm Christian, it seems like that religion needs a reformation, that there are problematic texts in the Old Testament and the New Testament in terms of incorporating those beliefs into modern society.
00:04:02.960 But that this religion, although there's two great branches, Shiite and Sunni, they've never had the kind of reformation where you get permission to be liberalized, to be more accepting.
00:04:14.060 Is that how you see it?
00:04:16.380 Yeah, but the reason why there can be a reformation, so it's not as though in the past 1400 years since Islam has existed, people haven't thought of the idea of reforming it. 0.95
00:04:27.220 But you can't, because you start with the premise that anything that is codified in 0.82
00:04:33.880 those Islamic texts is the final, unchanging, inerrant word of Allah, and therefore, by
00:04:40.400 definition, canonically, you cannot engage in this information.
00:04:44.480 So yes, there are passages in Deuteronomy that might not be nice, but there was a mechanism
00:04:50.420 by which we can ignore the part that says, take your children, your insolent children
00:04:56.120 to the gates of the city and stoned them to death.
00:04:58.940 And so we don't worry today about, you know, 1.00
00:05:01.240 Orthodox Jews or Seventh-day Adventists
00:05:03.680 taking the Old Testament or the New Testament,
00:05:06.820 the unpalatable part, seriously. 1.00
00:05:09.200 Islam, you cannot have that, right? 1.00
00:05:11.480 So we could sit and debate what it means to say, 1.00
00:05:14.420 kill, kill, kill. 0.99
00:05:15.300 Maybe they meant kill with kindness, 0.99
00:05:19.480 but that Reformation project is bound to fail. 0.96
00:05:23.060 We have 1,400 years of astoundingly clear data. And the quicker we wake up to that reality,
00:05:30.200 notwithstanding Shadi's very nice unicornia, the better we will be.
00:05:35.820 Yeah, I want to go back to France for a second. I mean, they've had violent protests, riots
00:05:41.260 in the suburbs around Paris for decades now. But I'm wondering, does this one seem different to
00:05:48.700 you and we've seen it spread across Europe. I mean, with, you know, all of the the immigration
00:05:55.300 that's happened over the last 10, 20 years is has it reached a tipping point? Is this the beginning 1.00
00:06:01.240 of the end for Europe? I mean, look, as you said, the tipping point is exactly the mechanism that
00:06:07.900 determines when things go awry. Right. You don't need to amputate your leg when you have diabetes
00:06:15.060 until you pass a tipping point and off with the leg, right?
00:06:19.340 You were jogging, thinking that you're healthy,
00:06:22.760 and then you drop of a heart attack.
00:06:24.460 So the reality is that demography
00:06:27.380 is what determines the trajectory of a society, right?
00:06:31.060 I am Canadian, although, inshallah, soon to be American.
00:06:35.160 I am Canadian, and yet I am a professor, as you mentioned,
00:06:39.400 at the Declaration of Independence Center
00:06:41.240 for the Study of American Freedom
00:06:42.700 because I internalize and live by those American ideals. 0.99
00:06:47.840 If you import people into your country in the millions
00:06:52.000 that don't share your foundational deontological principles, 1.00
00:06:56.200 it doesn't take a fancy evolutionary psychologist
00:06:59.260 to predict what's going to happen.
00:07:02.160 You're going to have an erosion
00:07:03.880 of those foundational principles. 0.76
00:07:06.060 That's what you're seeing in France.
00:07:07.460 That's what you're seeing across Western Europe.
00:07:09.800 That's what you saw in Canada.
00:07:11.140 and i escaped from canada now you're seeing it in australia and if we don't wake up to it our
00:07:17.460 grandchildren will hate us for it we um play you something here this is rokhana uh congressman
00:07:24.180 a democrat from california uh he was actually on fox news just this morning talking about this he
00:07:29.780 made some uh a lot of people noticed some tweets that he sent out yesterday but here he is talking
00:07:34.180 about just this very topic macron cut taxes for the wealthy he cut both corporate taxes and he
00:07:42.580 cut wealth taxes on real estate and students have lost funding for schools their schools are
00:07:49.300 crumbling they're less teachers they're overcrowded and they took to the streets now for vice president
00:07:55.540 vance to say that this is somehow immigrants doing this i mean does he understand france
00:07:59.940 France has had a history of protesting since the French Revolution.
00:08:03.580 It's the most French thing to do. 0.97
00:08:06.320 What do you make of that? 1.00
00:08:07.280 Off with their heads. 1.00
00:08:08.480 It's the most French thing to do. 0.99
00:08:10.620 There are many, many societies where students might not feel happy
00:08:16.980 with the quality of the laptops that they get in the classroom,
00:08:20.800 and yet we don't see that manifestation of violence that we're seeing in France.
00:08:26.180 I don't know the exact numbers.
00:08:28.240 I don't think those numbers exist.
00:08:29.940 But if we were to take a sampling, a random sampling of all of the people that are committing most of the street violence, I can predict with almost near certainty that their names are not Jean Miquelon.
00:08:44.740 I can predict that with absolute guaranteed assuredness. 1.00
00:08:49.260 And so Roe, whatever his name is, is a baffling imbecile. 1.00
00:08:53.780 Well, that may be true. 1.00
00:08:56.560 But it does seem that the one thing that Ro Khanna sort of agrees with, I think, you and other people,
00:09:02.320 is that it could happen here, that he says that if we don't get our house in order
00:09:06.440 and we don't sort of figure this out, that we may, that we just need some more socialism here
00:09:13.780 and we will solve this problem.
00:09:18.020 Is he right? Could it happen here? I guess that's a big question.
00:09:20.800 So E.O. Wilson, who is a famous Harvard biologist who recently passed away, one of my intellectual heroes, he studied in his research, he studied social ants.
00:09:31.900 And he was once famously asked, Professor Wilson, what are your thoughts on socialism slash communism?
00:09:38.400 And he paused and gave one of the greatest answers of all time.
00:09:41.740 He said, great idea, wrong species, meaning that the reason why communism has failed for
00:09:50.040 a hundred plus years in countless ecosystems is precisely because it is antithetical to
00:09:55.820 some foundational principles that define our human nature, right?
00:10:00.840 On the other hand, social ants have a reproductive queen, a indistinguishable cast of worker
00:10:07.040 ants and soldier ants.
00:10:08.340 So ants are communistic.
00:10:10.740 Humans are not.
00:10:11.740 Some are taller, shorter, harder working, less harder working.
00:10:15.020 And so that idea that we just need to tax those ogre rich people and then we will live
00:10:22.680 in the beautiful unicornia, I understand that mindset because it also appeals to another
00:10:29.340 frailty of human nature, which is envy, covetousness, right?
00:10:34.060 That's why the seven deadly sins have envy as one of the seven sins. 0.99
00:10:38.460 Why does that bastard have more money than I have? That's not fair. If only my parasitic overlord called the government can steal his money and redistribute it, we can all hold hands and be happy. So that reflex exists. It is an inerrant feature of human nature, but we've tested that experiment and it always fails. 0.99
00:11:01.180 Well, and in the more or less theoretical world, I mean, I've never heard anybody say that France's tax burden was too low.
00:11:09.380 I mean, it's two and a half times the average burden in the United States.
00:11:13.240 And this idea that you Democrats like say you can't incarcerate your rate out of the crime problem.
00:11:20.380 And I take their point. You can't tax your way out of France's problems, I wouldn't think, because pretty soon there's no money.
00:11:28.980 Well, I'm living proof, right? So, I mean, I'm not Elon Musk, but I'm certainly more successful than the average person. Let me tell you what I escaped from in Canada. The highest tax rate at the provincial level is, I mean, at the federal level is, I think, 33%. The highest tax rate at the provincial level, where I lived in Quebec, is 25.75%. So we're well over 50%.
00:11:54.320 Now, whatever the government allows me to keep, which is around 40% after they've taxed all my book royalties, most of which were garnered outside of Canada, I'm left with 40%. Now, when I spend on something, they tax me 15% on that. Then we add carbon tax and property tax and school tax and this tax and that tax. I'm left with about 30 cents to the dollar.
00:12:18.700 Let's put it another way. From January till end of August, I work for free for the government.
00:12:27.240 Starting in September, the government allows me to keep my money. Guess what? I left Canada. Now,
00:12:34.240 many Canadians who are progressive are celebrating the fact that I left Canada.
00:12:39.060 But is it a good idea for our most productive people in a society to one day say, hey, I can't
00:12:44.580 take being so, you know, thieved every day, I'm going to leave. That's what's happening. It'll
00:12:50.540 happen in France. It happened in Norway. It happens everywhere. Can I ask you about the
00:12:56.080 sort of premise of the book, which is, and you've said before, look, empathy is a good thing
00:13:00.340 in moderation, right? You don't want too little of it. You don't want too much of it.
00:13:04.340 How do we find the balance? And how did we end up in a place, both here and in the West,
00:13:11.500 where we were out of balance, where we just, you know, we ended up tilting too far toward
00:13:17.320 excessive empathy. Right. Well, first, thank you for saying that I'm not attacking empathy.
00:13:22.420 As an evolutionary behavioral scientist, I fully recognize the adaptive values of well-modulated
00:13:28.500 empathy. We're a social species for you and I to have a meaningful conversation. I need to put
00:13:33.900 myself in your mind and vice versa. That's called theory of mind or cognitive empathy.
00:13:38.200 But like everything in life, like Aristotle explained to us 2,000 plus years ago, too little of something is not good, too much of something is not good, and much of life is about finding that sweet spot.
00:13:50.220 So to your general question, how do we know that we've passed the inflection point of the inverted U curve?
00:13:55.860 Well, if you are willing to be so empathetic as to erase the invocation of your survival instinct, you've probably passed the curve.
00:14:07.140 So if we have open border immigration policies that will absolutely guarantee the destruction of our civilization, but at least we are kind to those noble others who just wish to participate in our lovely experiment, you've probably passed the point.
00:14:26.600 If you are a rape victim, but you don't tell the cops that the people who gang raped you were speaking in Arabic, but you lie to them and say they were speaking in German because you don't wish to contribute to a rise in Islamophobia, you probably passed the empathy inflection curve. 0.84
00:14:44.920 So it's not difficult to know the difference between well-calibrated empathy and suicidal empathy.
00:14:50.980 we're talking to gatsat he is a scholar of the declaration of independence at the center for
00:14:59.940 the american freedom at the university of mississippi want to make sure i got that right um
00:15:06.420 you know why is this a western phenomenon i mean because i take it from what you're saying that
00:15:11.300 this is sort of something that um that's happening in the west but it's not happening in china it's
00:15:15.860 It's not happening in other countries.
00:15:19.140 It's certainly not happening in the Islamic world. 0.92
00:15:21.980 Why are we the ones who are, in your view, committing this social suicide? 0.93
00:15:28.660 Yeah, great question.
00:15:29.780 I'll first answer it with an analogy.
00:15:32.100 If you look at the epidemiology of anorexia nervosa, it turns out that it only happens in cultures of plentitude, right?
00:15:41.440 Ethiopian women do not typically suffer from anorexia nervosa.
00:15:45.540 because they suffer from a real endemic problem called recurring famine. And so it becomes a
00:15:51.740 malady of cultures of plentitude, right? So the same thing happens with the West, right? 0.79
00:15:58.520 So, and let me here explain the relationship between two of my books. One of my earlier books,
00:16:03.900 The Parasitic Mind, explained what happens to our cognitive system, our thought processes,
00:16:09.100 when they are parasitized by bad ideas.
00:16:12.140 And then suicidal empathy completes the story
00:16:14.560 by explaining what happens to our affective system,
00:16:18.300 our emotional system when it too is parasitized.
00:16:21.620 Now, let me explain why this is a product of the West.
00:16:25.100 Every single parasitic idea that I discuss
00:16:28.100 in the parasitic mind stems from the university campus 0.86
00:16:32.640 because it uniquely takes intellectuals 1.00
00:16:35.980 to come up with some of the dumbest 1.00
00:16:37.960 and most imbecilic ideas. Why? Because they are fully decoupled from the autocorrect flap of 1.00
00:16:44.860 reality, right? So if I'm a professor in the humanities and lesbian dance theory, I can stand 0.82
00:16:51.020 with my really nice wool jacket and pontificate about how slavery is freedom, up is down, men are 0.60
00:16:57.560 women, and there are no costs to be born for me spewing that nonsense. But you, for example, don't
00:17:05.160 see as much of these parasitic ideas in the engineering school or in the business school
00:17:09.820 because those are applied disciplines that are tethered to reality. So you can't build a bridge
00:17:16.760 if you are a architect or a civil engineer using lesbian dance theory physics because the bridge 1.00
00:17:23.880 will collapse. You can't build an economic model of consumer choice using postmodernist queer 1.00
00:17:30.700 theory because again it won't predict anything and so that the malaise arises in the west 1.00
00:17:38.060 because we have universities that allow these dreadfully parasitic and harmful ideas to flourish