00:01:17.360I've been following your work for some time, and this is the first time we've spoken, so I'm looking forward to it.
00:01:23.860Listeners and viewers will be familiar with you as a prolific social media user, an esteemed academic and author, including off the bestselling book, Suicidal Empathy, Dying to be Kind.
00:01:36.480And you are the visiting professor at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi, which is a grand and I would say quite fitting title.
00:01:49.240So, Gad, let's just kick off. There's lots of stuff I want to ask you about, including about Britain.
00:01:53.260I think you follow us fairly closely and our suicidal tendencies.
00:01:57.260But I guess I want to start off by asking you, what's wrong with being kind?
00:02:02.260Right. There's nothing wrong with being kind, but like most things in life, too little of something is not good. Too much of something is not good. And much of life is about finding that sweet spot. Many, many famous historical philosophers and thinkers have already made that point, most famously by Aristotle and his Nicomachean Ethics, where he talked about the golden mean.
00:02:24.760If a soldier has zero courage, if he is cowardly, that's not good.
00:02:30.040If he is so bold and courageous that he becomes a reckless martyr, that's not good because
00:03:34.840Cancer cells and healthy cells both multiply and divide.
00:03:41.100The difference between the two is the hyperactivation of the former.
00:03:46.240they continuously divide with no stopping mechanism so both of them start off with the
00:03:54.600same mechanism but one becomes hyperactive so let's take for example if you and i were to meet
00:04:01.080are you based in london where are you yeah so i meet you at a party in london but prior to you
00:04:07.880coming up to say hello and shake my hands i notice that you're incessantly sneezing in your hands
00:04:13.660Well, I scanned the environment for potential threats, one of which is that Brandon seems to
00:04:20.160be suffering from a nasty cold. I coded that information. When you came up and shook my hand,
00:04:26.340I quietly and discreetly, when you weren't noticing, went to the bathroom to wash my hands
00:04:30.920because I don't want to get Brandon's cold. That is adaptive. That is evolutionarily rational.
00:04:38.080Now take that mechanism and hyperactivate it, it is actually a psychiatric disorder called
00:04:45.340germ contamination fears, a manifestation of OCD. Well then I am stuck in an infinite loop
00:04:54.120of washing my hands for eight hours a day so that my skin is falling off with the scalding
00:04:59.820hot water. What started off as an adaptive mechanism becomes a psychiatric condition
00:05:05.120when it hyperfires that's exactly the mechanism that i use to explain suicidal empathy yeah that's
00:05:11.560incredibly clear i i often think about the inverted u in relation to alcohol too too little is bad too
00:05:18.660much is sometimes bad um but i want to if just to push you a little bit further on suicidal empathy
00:05:27.260before we look at some examples of it including here in the united kingdom um what is the thing
00:05:34.680that makes it suicidal i mean is there you talk about the sweet spot is there a tipping point is
00:05:40.200there a moment at which you are so obsessed with appearing virtuous that you lose sight of what's
00:05:46.140real what's rational what makes sense for you and for your community is there a typical tipping
00:05:52.740point when is when does it cross the line into something dangerous yeah that that's that's a
00:05:57.700Great question. When your suicidal empathy does not allow you to instantiate the most fundamental driver of any living creature, and that is invoking its survival instinct, right?
00:06:13.660When it becomes more important for me to stroke my luxuriant hair in the mirror of moral preening than to actually survive or protect my children from gang rape or have my civilization, my heritage, my culture, my traditions erased, because nothing is more important than me appearing orgiastically kind, tolerant, compassionate, empathetic, that's called suicidal empathy.
00:06:41.920This is why I also use another term that I introduced into the lexicon.
00:06:46.880Apparently, I'm really good at doing that.
00:06:52.200Seppuku is a ritualistic form of suicide that was practiced by the samurai class in Japan
00:06:59.120because it's a culture of honor and shame.
00:07:02.020There is nothing worse than losing face.
00:07:04.260And therefore, the samurai, the only way he can seek a road to penance and redemption
00:07:10.980is to take the blade of seppuku, engage in self-disembowelment, and then hopefully that will
00:07:18.340resolve the shame that he brought to him, to his clan, and so on. Well, this is what the West is
00:07:25.320doing. They're committing civilizational seppuku, but they're using the noble and virtuous blade
00:07:31.620of suicidal empathy to self-disembowel. Yeah, that's a very graphic and apt metaphor for what's
00:07:39.520happening um there has one of the things i find valuable about the work that you do and there are
00:07:44.740a handful of other authors as well is that there has been a tendency over the past 20 years or so
00:07:50.180to think that wokeness is a joke i mean wokeness in itself is is a is an all-encompassing term it
00:07:55.920can mean many different things but i think we've had a tendency to to make fun of it rather than
00:08:00.700to take it seriously so we look at crazy campuses in which people are running around into kafirs
00:08:06.180and saying we love hamas and whatever else they might be doing um or you know refusing to eat
00:08:12.020sushi because that's cultural appropriation and um all these crazy things that have been going on
00:08:17.560in america and the uk on campuses um but what you're saying is actually this culture this
00:08:24.460ideology uh this atmosphere however we might describe it is actually quite dangerous i mean
00:08:30.040in some cases even lethal so it's one of the problems that we haven't taken this ideology
00:08:35.500sufficiently seriously? Yeah, another great question. Thank you for it. Look, when I first
00:08:40.640began, you know, rising to the top of the mountain to scream into the void while nobody was listening
00:08:48.500about all these problems, the typical response I would get very much fits within your question,
00:08:53.640which is, oh, come on, professor, don't you think you're being hyperbolic and you're exaggerating a
00:08:58.640bit? Don't you think that maybe your childhood trauma in Lebanon is causing you to overreact?
00:09:04.280I mean, so what if some idiot in some humanities department is saying stupid thing?
00:09:09.900People in the real world are not going to worry about that.
00:09:13.080I said, no, no, no, you're an imbecile because the virus starts off in what appears to be
00:09:18.600a lockdown lab, but then the virus escapes both the literal virus, a physical virus,
00:09:24.900but the ideological parasitic virus also escapes.
00:09:29.000So it starts off in the humanities department in some esoteric nonsense seminar. But then the student who took that seminar becomes the prime minister of Canada, the castrated Justin Trudeau. So ideas have downstream consequences.
00:09:46.580So we begin with some professor in a wool suit pontificating about up is down, left is right, slavery is freedom, and everybody claps at his brilliance because he's a great postmodernist.
00:09:59.680But then that becomes the idea de rigueur, as we say in French, in journalism, in culture, in politics, in academia.
00:10:09.680And let me give you another variant of what you asked.
00:10:11.920Well, surely, Professor Saad, it happens in some of these fields, but I mean, not in the natural sciences. I say, no, no, no, it's coming for the natural sciences. Well, open the page in Suicidal Empathy, where it shows what is the most important thing that physicians and surgeons in Canada should be trained in.
00:10:35.480it turns out, you ready? Drum roll. It's in fighting against the white supremacist medicine
00:10:43.160that we learned about. It's about recognizing that the systemic erasure of indigenous knowledge
00:10:50.140is what causes all these diseases. It's recognizing that we need to be allies to people of color.
00:10:57.420So it's very important if you suffer from a really dreadful form of cancer to know that your surgeon
00:11:03.840is well-trained in indigenous knowledge.
00:11:06.840That's the most important thing to have.
00:11:08.840So all of the imbeciles who were saying,
00:11:32.920I remember speaking on campuses, you know, 10, 15 years ago and being surrounded by crazy kids calling me a bigot because I don't believe in the trans ideology and a man can become a woman.
00:11:43.620And then now, lo and behold, a few years later, the National Health Service, the publicly funded National Health Service, is using terms like chest feeder, pregnant people, letting men go into women's bathrooms, women's changing rooms.
00:11:55.480So that ideological virus has spread right through to the health system, which should be based on truth and reality, science.
00:12:03.620Exactly. And let me add another one of those terms. Cervix havers. They're not women, they're cervix havers, because some cervix havers are women, but other cervix havers are men.
00:12:16.360Look, I've had heated exchanges, both publicly and privately, with OBGYN physicians.
00:12:25.460I mean, imagine the extent to which your mind must be parasitized when you are a specialist,
00:12:32.940a female reproduction specialist as a physician who's arguing with me that it is astoundingly
00:12:42.800a simpleton who would say something like only women can menstruate and by the way one of those
00:12:49.780exchanges was with a anesthesiologist of color who then turned the card in of but i went to medical
00:12:58.620school and you didn't i said right because until 15 minutes ago the 117 billion people that had
00:13:06.500existed on earth seem to have been able to really easily resolve the conundrum of what constitutes
00:13:13.360male or female, but you came along with your progressive medical school and you are re-educating
00:13:19.760us. And then when I told her, but I've published scientific papers and top journals on the effects
00:13:25.960of the menstrual cycle, she then said that I was mansplaining. This is an anesthesiologist.
00:13:32.740I mean, it's insane. They know what a man is when they want to accuse someone of mansplaining, but the rest of the time they're very unsure. That's a very good example of suicidal empathy, I think, because, again, trans is another thing where there's a tendency to scoff and say, oh, don't be ridiculous. That's intellectual voodoo.
00:13:54.620but of course it has awful consequences in the uk we've seen male rapists sent to women's prisons
00:14:00.500which is incredibly dangerous and very reckless men have been allowed into women's bathrooms and
00:14:05.820various crimes have taken place as a consequence of that so i wanted to ask you what are the
00:14:10.740processes through which suicidal empathy can take hold even amongst the people we elect to run
00:14:17.060the country even amongst the people who are in charge of the nuclear weapons i mean keir starmer
00:14:21.740three or four years ago could not answer the question what is a woman every time it was it
00:14:27.620was like kryptonite every time it was put to him he would collapse how does that happen these are
00:14:33.500people in their 50s or in their 40s and yet they are imbibing an ideology that comes from crazy
00:14:40.300places how does that happen so this is why it's important for me to explain why i use the
00:14:44.880neuro-parasetological framework i know it's a mouthful let me break it down the field of
00:14:49.880Neuroparasitology is simply the study of host-parasite interactions, and there are a gazillion of these in the animal kingdom.
00:14:57.080So a tapeworm is a parasite, but it parasitizes your intestinal tract.
00:15:04.060But a neuroparasite is a parasite that needs to get to your brain, hence neuroparasite,
00:15:10.200altering your neuronal circuitry and hence altering your behavior to suit its reproductive
00:15:18.680interests to the detriment of your survival. So let's take an example. The wood cricket abhors
00:15:25.260water, the actual insect. It doesn't want anything to do with water. But when it is parasitized by
00:15:30.940a neuroparasite called a hairworm, the hairworm needs the wood cricket to happily and merrily
00:15:37.220jump into water, committing suicide, hence suicidal empathy, because that wood cricket
00:15:44.140is no longer invoking its adaptive survival instinct. It has been hijacked. And this is why
00:15:52.080I then had my epiphany, aha, I will use the neuroparasitological framework to argue that
00:15:59.720human beings can be parasitized not only by actual physical brain worms, for example,
00:16:04.980toxoplasma gandhi is an actual physical brain worm that parasitizes human brains but i argued
00:16:11.100that we could be parasitized by another class of brain parasites ideological parasites and now let
00:16:17.640me link the two books to kind of get to your question of so how but how does it actually
00:16:22.880happen how does keir starmer end up being the degenerate imbecile that he is okay so let's
00:16:27.640discuss it sorry was that too undiplomatic should i have no no more more we like that by the way i
00:16:33.780was being sarcastic. I don't care what Keir Starmer said. Okay. The parasitic mind was
00:16:39.260written to explain what happens to our cognitive system when it is parasitized. We are both a
00:16:46.400thinking and a feeling animal. It's not, it's reason or emotions. It's both. The trick is to
00:16:52.320know when to invoke your cognitive system and when to invoke your affective system. So the parasitic
00:16:57.280mind was the explanation of how our cognitive systems could be parasitized. But if I truly
00:17:04.440want to turn you into a wood cricket, I need to also parasitize your affective system, hence
00:17:11.340suicidal empathy. If I could parasitize both of those systems, then you are the quiet, hapless
00:17:16.960wood cricket that I want you to be. Now, that all sounds very professorial and non-concrete,
00:17:23.140So let me give a concrete example of that. If I internalize the parasitic idea of cultural
00:17:30.460relativism, cultural relativism is the idea that it is grossly inappropriate, gauche, it's immoral
00:17:38.640to actually make value judgments of the cultural practices and cultural beliefs of another society.
00:17:45.960If they wish to engage in the cutting off of clitorises of five-year-old girls,
00:17:51.360shut up racist. If they wish to have child brides, shut up racist. If they wish to have
00:17:56.920honor killings, shut up racist. Well, if I internalize that parasitic idea, it then renders
00:18:04.300me very likely to succumb to suicidal empathy when it comes to open border immigration policies. Why?
00:18:12.100Because once I've been rendered impotent to be able to speak out against different cultural
00:18:19.580practices, then who am I to say that I don't want people who hold those beliefs to be just as likely
00:18:28.120to come to Britain or Canada or Australia or the US because that feels wrong. All immigrants are
00:18:36.120equally likely to assimilate according to those who swim in the infinity pool of suicidal empathy.
00:18:42.120So the internalizing of cultural relativism rendered me open to suicidal empathy.
00:18:51.160Very good explanation. I think Keir Starmer as a hijacked wood cricket is the best explanation I have heard for his behavior.
00:18:58.720So thank you for that. OK, let's talk about I want to get onto the borders question in a moment and the Islamist question as well.
00:19:06.200but i want to ask you uh you've touched on cultural relativism there and i want to wonder
00:19:11.080if you could just give us a little bit more detail on how you understand cultural relativism i mean
00:19:15.800there was a very good example of it in the uk uh not long ago maybe last year i think where kemi
00:19:22.060badnock who is the pretty decent leader of the conservative party here um she said not all
00:19:28.940cultures are equally valid and this horrified bbc presenter said what on earth do you mean and
00:19:34.780kemi bad not gave the example of uh cultures that have child marriage or where women are put in a
00:19:40.680sackcloth and forbidden from speaking or in public or going to school um and everyone was horrified
00:19:47.600how dare you say these things how i mean it's a ridiculous question in a sense and you've already
00:19:54.360given some of the answer how has that happened where ostensibly rational people have become
00:20:01.460unable to distinguish between a country in which women are free and girls are left alone to live
00:20:07.140their lives and a country in which women are slaves to misogynistic religious ideas people
00:20:13.220can't distinguish between that i mean how's that happen well it's even it's even worse than what
00:20:17.800you said the the feminists in the west actually argue that erasing a woman's identity by putting
00:20:27.120her in a black tent is actually emancipatory because it frees her from the patriarchal male
00:20:36.080gaze. What could be more beautiful than judging a woman simply by her looking like a ghost in a
00:20:44.880tent because then I'm not lusting after her. But again, that's why the wood cricket metaphor,
00:20:51.680That's why neuroparasotology is the mechanism that explains this.
00:20:55.940This is why, and forgive the tooting of my own horn, this is why my books, you know,
00:21:00.760resonate with millions and millions of people.
00:21:02.800Because otherwise, you are truly left in an existentially incredulous stance.
00:21:09.120You simply can't believe that Keir Starmer can be a buffoon who can't answer what is
00:22:16.740Franz Boas was the cultural anthropologist who came up with cultural relativism. He thought
00:22:24.000that to use biology in explaining human affairs might result in, you know,
00:22:32.160crittinous people misusing biology, right? And we've seen it with eugenicists,
00:22:37.660with British social class elitists, with the Nazis later. They all invoked some version,
00:22:44.500a bullshit version, but some version of Darwinian theory to explain their nefarious
00:22:50.060goals. Well, let's build edifices of bullshit that are fully decoupled from reality because
00:22:57.860at least there is a greater noble goal here, which is to stop bad people, bad actors from
00:23:04.840misusing biology. And so this is exactly a more modern manifestation of Plato's noble lie,
00:23:11.240right? It's a consequentialist ethic. It basically says, I don't have to defend and adhere to the
00:23:19.260truth in a deontological way. Deontological means absolute statement. If you say it is never okay
00:23:25.160to lie, that's a deontological statement. If you say it is okay to lie to spare someone's feelings,
00:23:30.760that would be a consequentialist statement. Well, here's the problem. You don't use a
00:23:35.220consequentialist ethic to deal with a deontological statement. You don't murder and rape truth in
00:23:43.580order to advance your social utopian goals, right? I can chew gum and walk at the same time.
00:23:49.340I could say that trans people deserve to live lives of dignity without me going into my
00:23:55.380evolutionary psychology class and telling my students, oh, no, no, no, men can menstruate,
00:23:59.940Of course. Oh, no, men, too, can bear children. I'm not going to lie to support your unique, celebrated personhood. And so this is why those ideas become very intoxicating to adopt, because they stem originally from a good place, but then they metamorphosize into the monster that we see today.
00:24:21.300Yes, absolutely. I think people can sense that as well. They can sense that long ago, there may have been some noble origin to the laying of these foundations, but the edifice is, is bullshit, as you say.
00:24:34.920I want to ask you about the role that Islam in particular plays. Well, it plays a huge role in the world, including in the Western world.
00:24:43.280but the role it plays in relation to what we you've just been talking about it the reluctance
00:24:49.620of so many people in the west to say anything critical about islam or to say look there are
00:24:54.660some dodgy ideas here mass public praying in trafalgar square is not a very good idea women
00:24:59.760covering their faces in supposedly democratic countries might not be a good idea there's a
00:25:04.480reluctance to have those discussions it the the confusions around all of this were really brought
00:25:09.360home to me in 2023 at the exact time that women in iran were up rising up and throwing their
00:25:16.640hijabs onto bonfires and taking them off and dancing in the streets at the exact same time
00:25:21.780in england we unveiled a statue called something like the strength of the hijab which is this five
00:25:27.000meter tall uh bronze statue celebrating women in the hijab and i thought hey you know britain a
00:25:33.380supposedly open democratic country is celebrating the hijab at precisely the time that women in iran
00:25:39.120a theocratic regime are throwing it off it was so surreal and yet it also made sense um what is
00:25:45.420it about islam how does that feed into especially the ideas of cultural relativism or i guess moral
00:25:50.960cowardice that you've been talking about of all examples of suicidal empathy and you know you
00:25:56.760mentioned that we might talk about a whole bunch of cases and i discuss a million such cases in the
00:26:00.480book, none is as existentially threatening as not being able to recognize via your misguided
00:26:09.940suicidal empathy that all religions are not equally congruent with our deontological Western
00:26:17.280values. Nothing is more dangerous, right? Why? Because the West is built on a set of foundational
00:26:24.760principles that has made the West unique in the panoply, in the buffet of human societies that
00:26:31.900have ever existed. Islam could not be any more incongruent with those values. Now, I hate to say
00:26:41.120this because I find that it's so unnecessary to have to say this. This is not an indictment of
00:26:48.300individuals called Muslims, although one can question, why are you adhering to that identity?
00:26:53.660But Muslims come in the exact same bell curve distribution as any other group.
00:27:57.740He's given me this wonderful forum to share my ideas.
00:28:00.420We have a very warm relationship with each other.
00:28:02.800But I have tried every weapon within my arsenal of persuasion.
00:28:09.100And I've got a very sizable weaponry of persuasion.
00:28:12.820he is impenetrable my friend Ahmad makes a good curry he's never raped me therefore Islam good
00:28:24.460period there are more white Britons that have committed rape in Britain than Muhammad and
00:28:31.700Ahmad then I go but per capita appears impenetrable now why is that because if you've
00:28:39.360internalize the idea that it is never okay to attack someone's religion and you truly internalize
00:28:47.540that as a central feature of your personhood, then it becomes a mortal taboo. I just can't
00:28:55.360attack. Well, that's not true because in the West, we could attack 9,999 religions,
00:29:02.800but there is one that is simply non-attackable no good person in good standing in trafalgar square
00:29:11.080would ever attack the noble muslims because they are inherently holy well if you internalize this
00:29:19.120then i'm going to tell you what's going to happen to your society in a hundred years it's um
00:29:24.020what you're saying rings so true with me i mean we've had many many examples of what you've
00:29:30.360describe but we have had a very recent example where uh nick timothy who's a very sensible
00:29:35.300conservative member of parliament here in the uk he criticized the mass praying in trafalgar square
00:29:42.040he said it looks to him like an act of provocation an act of cultural supremacy and he was instantly
00:29:48.320shot down as a racist uh even a member of the labor government said that his comments were racist and
00:29:54.120didn't say anything racist obviously um so on that question i want to ask you about the term
00:30:01.620islamophobia um i feel like it's a term that it might even be fading out of favor even amongst
00:30:11.300the woke i've noticed they've started using anti-muslim bigotry a bit more certainly the
00:30:15.720labor government is trying to shift towards anti-muslim bigotry rather than islamophobia
00:30:19.840um but that's a really dangerous idea isn't it the notion that as you say one religion and one
00:30:25.840religion only should be ring-fenced from public criticism and even worse that if you dare to
00:30:31.080criticize it you will be called not only blasphemous but racist right well i'm sure you've
00:30:36.900already heard this rebuttal but let's mention it for your viewers and listeners if i showed you
00:30:42.720all of the races that fall under the umbrella of islam every single human ring i mean that's
00:30:49.580one of the key selling points that they offer, right? There are incredibly white pasty Muslims.
00:30:55.800There are Asian Muslims, Far East Muslims. There are brown Muslims in India. There are
00:31:03.220black Muslims throughout Africa. So literally every human race is captured within the umbrella
00:31:12.700of Islam. So when you call someone racist, which of the panoply of races am I being bigoted against?
00:31:21.280There is no racism against an ideology. If I told you that communism is a sociopolitical
00:31:28.520economic model that does not lead to maximal human flourishing, would you call me racist?
00:31:36.400it sounds silly. How could you be racist against communism? But yet somehow, because of the
00:31:43.760profound stupidity of most people, regrettably, as a psychologist and as a professor for 33 years,
00:31:51.560one of the things that I have regrettably learned the hard way, having lived on earth for 61 years,
00:31:57.120is that it is baffling how idiotic most people are. This is not an elitist statement. It's just
00:32:04.300the statement of facts i can literally get in a car and try to poll someone about that the amount
00:32:13.600of knowledge that the average three-year-old a three-day-old squirrel should know about islam
00:32:20.080and they're completely oblivious oh i didn't know that i didn't know that muhammad said this
00:32:24.860i didn't know that islam did that nothing like there's this thing let me show you here
00:32:29.480this thing is called this i'm apparently i'm plugging one of my books this thing is called
00:32:34.620a book b-o-o-k if you open it and read it there is knowledge in it that allows you to enrich the
00:32:43.580most important organ in your body called your brain but most people they're cognitive misers
00:32:49.600they're too you know lazy and uh to to worry about these kinds of things so racism against whom
00:32:56.400So Islamophobia is a made up term. It's a term that literally Muslim strategists used on the West to full perfect effect because they knew our weakness. They know our Achilles heel and they use it.
00:33:11.740Look, the Muslim Brotherhood and their friends
00:33:55.240So we're going to conquer the West through the womb of our women.
00:33:58.260Number two, we're going to conquer the West through hijra.
00:34:02.360Hijra is the Arabic word for migration.
00:34:04.660well what what better way to have migration than to have the suicidally empathetic west
00:34:10.880open their borders let in millions of people who say they're going to f the west like a woman and
00:34:18.040mount her that's going to work out great ask germany how that went out ask the 250 000 british
00:34:24.040white girls that have been enriched by all of those noble undocumented love makers right so
00:34:29.580that's number two. But the third one is the one that speaks to your Islamophobia. We are going to
00:34:36.080use your miserable freedoms against you. So we understand the architecture of your mind and we
00:34:44.020will engineer these ideas in a way that we know you don't have the inoculation against them. And
00:34:51.760guess what? They're brilliant and they're winning. And we will sit along and keep debating these
00:34:58.340things while the monster eats you away. And in 50 years, you wake up and you'll say, hey,
00:35:03.800how did Britain become Islamic? We should have listened to that gorgeous Lebanese professor
00:35:08.740called Gadsad. I want to ask you about freedom, which you've just mentioned there are miserable
00:35:14.040freedoms as some people see them. What would you do about some of the problems we face in our
00:35:21.500nations in relation to Islam in particular? I'm a very liberal guy in the traditional meaning of
00:35:27.840the word i love freedom i love freedom of speech in particular one of the reasons i hate the idea
00:35:32.400of islamophobia is because i believe we should have the freedom to blaspheme against all ideas
00:35:36.160all books all gods all prophets um i'm a freedom loving person but i'm increasingly off the opinion
00:35:42.580that we might need some pretty stiff measures at least for the foreseeable future in relation to
00:35:47.920some of these problems for example i personally would ban face coverings in public i would ban
00:35:53.280mass acts of public praying you can pray in your house of worship if you need to pray um what do
00:36:00.380you think about ideas like that what do you think what's what immediate steps could we take to limit
00:36:05.540the impact of some of this uh the interventions that you're speaking of are akin to saying your
00:36:14.240physician tells you you have a raging case of diabetes and you say you know what i know that
00:36:22.580my legs are likely to be amputated, but I really have to take care of the dandruff first. So let
00:36:28.100me spend a couple of years working on my beard dandruff and then, you know, the diabetes thing.
00:36:33.540So those interventions are very nice and necessary, but they don't get at the fundamental problem
00:36:41.020because the problem is one of demography, right? What makes Britain Britain is not the English
00:36:49.520channel. It's that British values are a set of unique values and principles that define the
00:36:57.840British ethos. Yes, there is Lebanese cuisine versus Swedish cuisine. That's cultures. Yes,
00:37:04.700some cultures are more arid. Some cultures are more tropical in terms of their topography. But
00:37:10.580what makes a culture unique and distinct from others are the foundational values that define
00:37:17.540that culture that will be protected as long as the numbers who adhere to that are substantially
00:37:25.740greater than the numbers who don't right this is why this is Peter Hammond's book where he talked
00:37:34.000about what happens to a society as a function of the percentage of Islam that is within that society
00:37:41.220zero to two percent oh but they're just a beautiful peaceful community that just wears
00:37:46.900different colored scarves. It's all very exotic. And when I go with Piers Morgan, we have our
00:37:55.200curry. They're just serving us curry. It's all good. Three to five percent, we start being a bit
00:38:00.920more demonstrative in our political muscle. Six to ten percent, and by the way, I might get some
00:38:07.980of those percentages wrong. Six to ten percent, we start creating no-go zones. Don't bring your
00:38:13.440bullshit dog in this neighborhood. This is a Muslim area. But we're still too few.
00:38:20.340Fast forward when they become 25, 30, 40 percent, and then tell me what happens to the other groups.
00:38:27.800Well, I want to draw an analogy to science. When you publish a scientific paper,
00:38:35.020you're looking for statistically significant findings, right? So I give one group of patients
00:38:41.660a experimental drug, I give a placebo to the other group. And if it turns out that the efficacy of
00:38:47.860the experimental drug is 1.2 to 1, meaning it's 20% more effective, then I'm very happy and I
00:38:54.540publish those findings. The statistically significant findings associated with 1400
00:39:01.800years of data as relating to whether when Islam enters a society results in a flourishing of
00:39:09.680personal liberties or a reduction of personal liberties. That statistically significant finding
00:39:16.000is about a gazillion times more statistically significant than any scientific study that's
00:39:24.240ever been published in any scientific field. Was that strong enough how I pointed this? But yet,
00:39:31.840we apparently don't have the data to connect those dots, right? Islam is a expansionist
00:39:40.760ideology. It basically says that the most fundamental tenet of Islam is to unify every
00:39:49.520millimeter of the globe under the unifying flag of Allah. Allah, the Arabic word for God,
00:39:57.820the Islamic God. Okay. There are today 56 countries that are part of the OIC, the Organization of
00:40:06.360Islamic Cooperation. Those 56 countries, most of them are 99% Islamic, 99.9%, 98, 92, 97, right?
00:40:17.180Once upon a time, every single one of those 56 countries had 0% Islam. Then we closed our eyes,
00:40:27.580we opened our eyes, they're 100% Islam. How did that happen? Was it through the spreading of
00:40:34.240sweets? Was it through Socratic dialogue? How did it happen that one-fourth of humanity
00:40:42.080is now Islamic? Well, it's the exact way that Britain is heading, but most people don't have
00:40:50.860the imagination to extrapolate into a future trend. So therefore, as long as I don't live in
00:40:58.380Luton or in, is it Rockdale? Is that how you pronounce it? Or in Birmingham, I live in Sussex
00:41:05.060in a really nice neighborhood in a country pile. Islam doesn't affect me. So therefore,
00:41:11.360diabetes doesn't exist until I suffer from diabetes. So this is the problem of the West,
00:41:17.640which is you denigrate those who warn you, you scoff and mock them until it comes and knocks on
00:41:26.080your door, but then it's too late. Listening to you there just reminded me that some of the things
00:41:30.920we've already seen in London, which is where I live, I mean, we've already seen clips of young
00:41:36.660Muslims telling Christian preachers, you can't preach here, this is a Muslim area, you can't
00:41:41.620read from your Bible in public, you need to get the F out of here. We've already seen stuff like
00:41:47.120that we've seen the police intervening sometimes on the side of the islamists and say and kicking
00:41:52.480out the christians occasionally on the side of the christians and saying listen we've got freedom of
00:41:56.680speech um and i think people underestimate just how serious it is when christian preachers in
00:42:05.340an ostensibly or at least historically christian country are being forbidden from preaching by
00:42:11.460active uh islamic campaigners that is incredibly worrying um i want to ask you you've you've already
00:42:18.180touched on it here and there in the conversation but i want to ask you about possibly the worst
00:42:23.220case of suicidal empathy of modern times maybe this is an anglo-centric view but the grooming
00:42:28.720gang scandal or as we now call them more aptly the rape gangs um you mentioned rochdale there
00:42:35.220and there's other parts of england um people will be familiar with this crisis listeners won't need
00:42:41.400to be reminded, gangs of primarily Muslim men preying on and abusing white working class girls
00:42:47.020over a period of decades. And the suicidal empathy, of course, comes in when police officials,
00:42:53.460politicians refused to investigate or talk about it because they didn't want to appear Islamophobic.
00:42:59.440As an outsider, you as an individual and people you know, what have you made of this scandal?
00:43:07.640Has it rocked the world in the way I think it should?
00:43:10.400It hasn't rocked enough of the world, right? I mean, it's nice that Tommy Robinson has been warning about it for years. It's nice that Gadsad has been warning about it for years. It's nice that Elon picked up on that story and advertised it to hundreds of millions of people.
00:43:25.160but yet I'm sure that I can go to most academic parties where people hold their thing while they
00:43:32.180sip their espresso and cross their legs in a very effeminate way. And, and, and they will say that
00:43:38.860you truly are a grotesque, mean person. You lack empathy. As a matter of fact, just before coming
00:43:44.280on your show, I just responded to, so a woman, I guess a white woman journalist writes, oh,
00:43:53.800it must be hard to spend all your day trying to demonize a group of people. Because I had shared
00:44:00.320a clip of a bunch of like some one or more Muslim guys in the Spanish enclave, how do you say,
00:44:09.880Kuwaita, who had just raped 10 and 11-year-old girls. So imagine a woman who ostensibly could
00:44:18.220be a mother, maybe she's got a daughter, took my clip, my post, where I'm retweeting about these
00:44:25.260guys raping 10 and 11-year-old girls, and her moral compass led her to have a triggered ire
00:44:35.420against me for demonizing the people who did it, then having any empathy for, you know,
00:44:44.360the 10 and 11 year old girls who were raped and sodomized so to your question the world is filled
00:44:51.560with a lot more wood crickets than with gatsats uh yeah i remember i wrote about the grooming gangs
00:44:57.540for the wall street journal i think 2014 maybe 2015 a long time ago and um even then i was
00:45:07.740getting messages from friends of mine in america saying this can't be happening what are you
00:45:12.220talking about i mean and of course it got worse and worse even in the years since then right
00:45:17.340through to today um it's the kind of thing people didn't want to believe and certainly didn't want
00:45:22.060to talk about um what can be done in situations like that i mean obviously you've got a large
00:45:28.640platform you've spoken about it you've shouted about it and you've um got the attention of
00:45:35.300people like elon musk as you say and many others um what can everyday people do i mean democratically
00:45:42.140is there anything that can be done to force this question? What advice would you give to ordinary
00:45:47.240Brits who might not have the clout that you have? Well, there are several ways to answer this. I'll
00:45:51.240try to tackle in a few ways. Let's begin with sort of a general prescription. In the last chapter of
00:45:59.400the parasitic mind, I implored people to activate their inner honey badger. And the reason why I
00:46:07.060use that call to action, that animal, is because the honey badger has literally been classified as
00:46:14.200the most fierce and ferocious animal in the animal kingdom, which is saying a lot. There are a lot of
00:46:19.800fierce animals in the animal kingdom. It's the size of a small dog, small to medium-sized dog.
00:46:25.160It operates in a very, very dangerous neighborhood in the African savannah, but when it walks,
00:46:31.460the lions passing by cross to the other side and say, sorry, sir, I didn't mean to disturb you
00:46:38.540during your stroll. How could that be? Well, because it walks the tallest. It may not be
00:46:44.700tall physically, but it's the tallest in the way it carries itself. Well, when I ask people to
00:46:50.300activate their inner honey badger, I'm not asking them to be physically ferocious. I'm saying when
00:46:54.860there is a set of principles that you believe are worth defending, don't walk away from using
00:47:02.320whichever large or small voice that you have to at least contribute to the battle of ideas. It really
00:47:08.980is death by a thousand cuts, right? If you don't speak when your professor says that of course men
00:47:15.140can menstruate, and if he doesn't speak when you say that Kamala Harris is arguably smarter than
00:47:21.400Charles Darwin. And if we allow every instantiation of the orgiastic rape and murder of truth
00:47:30.720to keep advancing without any pushback, then we end up with the Olympic Committee debating on
00:47:38.760what constitutes male or female in the 21st century. That's how we arrive to that position,
00:47:44.360because the wood cricket monster went unencumbered for decades.
00:48:06.920So that would be sort of the grand prescription.
00:48:09.340In a specific way, I would argue that don't tolerate one millimeter of any ideology that is existentially contrary to the organizing principles of your society, not one millimeter.
00:48:27.200So it's not only when now you could no longer drive in Trafalgar Square because Islamic public
00:48:34.720prayers that you wake up. Does Islam in the mosque call for the inshallah killing of all the kafir?
00:48:45.080Yes, that's a problem. No, no. Your freedom of religion doesn't supersede my right to be free
00:48:52.680of your religion so you have freedom of religion as long as it is congruent with our principles if
00:48:59.180not don't let the door hit your ass on the way out so so they so here's the good news and bad news
00:49:05.240the good news is there to your question there are a set of auto corrective mechanisms that could
00:49:13.780allow us to redress the problem so that's good news because i mean you could go to your physician
00:49:19.140and god forbid he or she could say to you you've got four weeks to live there's nothing we can do
00:49:23.640you're dead right this is not the case it's not as though it's an intractable problem for which
00:49:28.860we have no known solutions this is the good news you ready for the bad news i don't see
00:49:36.520a millimeter a nanocentimeter of evidence that the west has any of the testicular fortitude
00:49:47.180necessary to implement these. So there is no point in me telling you there is a cure for your cancer
00:49:53.480if your rebuttal is, but there is no such thing as cancer, but cancer is a Zionist plot. It doesn't
00:49:59.440exist. I'm not dying of cancer. So, well, you're going to die. So that's the problem. There is a
00:50:04.400solution. The West is not only hell bent on not implementing it. In many countries, they're double
00:50:10.760and tripling down. I'll give you one quick example from my adopted land of Canada. Canada just paid
00:50:17.040$504 million of taxpayer money to poach 64 American-based scholars to come to Canada at the
00:50:28.180tune, in some cases, of $1 million for eight years. I mean, they're getting paid premiership
00:50:34.300soccer money. So you would think, I mean, they are on the verge of cracking some of the biggest math
00:50:40.580problems and probably solving cancer. No, no, no. We're hiring a specialist in trans philosophy.
00:50:49.780Well, does that look like Canada listened to Gad Saad and said, hey, let's implement some changes
00:50:55.880or goodbye Gad Saad to the United States. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out and
00:51:02.380let's double down on our nonsense. That's the problem. You know, yes, the death wish of the
00:51:07.760west is pretty terrifying i'm i'm interested in the next few years to see how that death wish
00:51:13.240rubs up against a growing sense of anger amongst ordinary people that i feel in i see in here in
00:51:18.980the uk all the time and i think the crashing together of those things will be very interesting
00:51:24.060possibly quite destabilizing but probably also necessary let's see what happens um gab before i
00:51:30.440let you go i want to ask you about an issue close to your heart and close to my heart as well in
00:51:34.740terms of my writing which is the hatred for israel um the the scourge of anti-semitism
00:51:41.120um my understanding is that you are an atheist of of jewish heritage i'm an atheist of catholic
00:51:47.480heritage and yet we are both opponents of course of um jew hatred which is spreading
00:51:53.840like another disease across the western world um where do you think things stand with that it's
00:52:00.620been three years since the orgy of islamo-fascist violence in israel the western world went
00:52:06.620completely bananas many people took the side of them of the jew killers rather than the jews
00:52:12.480um do you see that petering out or is it as bad as it ever was it's as bad as it ever was and only
00:52:18.840getting worse uh but just and and i'm not trying to be pedantic you're correctly representing me
00:52:25.440as atheists of Jewish heritage, I resist the term atheist because that originally arose
00:52:32.540during the time of Christopher Hitchens and Daniel Dennett and Richard Dawkins,
00:52:37.700where I was very angry at the encroachment of religion within the sphere of science, right?
00:52:44.640As someone who preaches all day long, 24 hours a day, the virtues of reason, logic, science,
00:52:52.720evidence-based thinking, if you're going to tell me that the earth is 6,000 something years old
00:52:57.880because it says so in your book, including in your Jewish book, then I'm going to be pissed.
00:53:03.040So it's in that sense that I'm an atheist, right? You would be very hard-pressed to find someone
00:53:10.200who presents themselves to the world with a greater Jewish identity than I do, right? I mean,
00:53:15.260I have a gazillion death threats for my, right? I had to put on really good running shoes and
00:53:21.680outrun the guys who wanted to kill us in Lebanon during my childhood. So I'm very much wedded to
00:53:28.980my Jewish heritage, although I don't think that lighting the Shabbat candles at 421, not 422,
00:53:36.640is what the Lord of the universe expects of me. So in that sense, I'm an atheist. Okay, so having
00:53:42.080put that aside uh if i showed you brandon the daily torrent tsunami of jew hatred that i receive
00:53:53.120and i i shared them with goebbels himmler and hitler we were sitting having coffee together i
00:54:00.780say hey hey hitler check out the stuff that i received they'd go look we're really big jew haters
00:54:06.400I mean, we hate the Jews. We want to exterminate all Jews. But this seems a bit over the top,
00:54:12.520even by our standards. I think that the stuff that you're getting seems a bit crazy,
00:54:18.000even by our standards, as we want to whisk you to the Treblinka death camps. So I have a unique
00:54:25.280way of expressing myself, but hopefully I've shared how bad the Jew hatred is. There isn't
00:54:32.600anything that I post that doesn't result in a retort of Jew hatred. So if I post went to see
00:54:41.740my son play soccer, he scored two goals. You piece of shit, Zionist baby killer. While your
00:54:51.960son is playing soccer, you're orchestrating the death of Gazan children. Okay. Check out the meal
00:54:59.020that my wife just cooked, I chose properly the ideal wife. You piece of shit, vermin, parasitic
00:55:07.340Jew baby killer. Do you know the Gaza famine that's happening right now? So there is nothing
00:55:13.840that I can share that is completely neutrally valence that simply is a sharing of my daily life
00:55:22.380that doesn't result in me being the worst of cockroach parasites.
00:55:30.020Well, I don't even think the Nazis came up with that.
00:55:49.360And in relation to Israel itself, people, you will have heard this argument a million times. It's not anti-Semitic to hate Israel. It's not anti-Semitic to criticize Israel, which is a fair enough comment, but it probably is anti-Semitic to obsess over Israel morning, noon and night and to dream of its future destruction.
00:56:08.640um where do you see the israel question sitting with all the stuff you've been talking about in
00:56:14.640this conversation in relation to the death wish of the west cultural relativism our suicidal
00:56:21.120tendencies um how do you think the israel has become the focal point of so much
00:56:27.540demented western fury for a particular reason i'll answer it first in a personal way
00:56:32.700the the most the staunchest reason or or or most important reason that i support israel
00:56:41.660is not because actually of my jewish heritage that might surprise you is because israel is
00:56:48.920the first doorstop against what's coming to newcastle and to and to new york well it's
00:56:57.060already in new york and it's already in newcastle too right so so israel represents a set of values
00:57:05.240that are congruent with mine now the fact that i'm jewish adds an element to it the fact that
00:57:10.760most of my family lives there adds an element to it but that's not what animates my defense of
00:57:16.700israel what animates my defense of israel is that they are the ones who are fighting the fight there