The Shadoe Davis Show - April 17, 2025


April 17th⧸2025- Special Debate Coverage


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00:03:30.000 Oh, my God.
00:04:00.000 Hello, everybody.
00:04:22.620 Welcome to a Shadow at Night special.
00:04:24.780 I know it's early and we'll be back with the regular show in a couple of hours
00:04:28.720 featuring B.C. Strong members James Davidson,
00:04:33.300 Marcella Desjardins, Dr. Stephen Malthouse,
00:04:35.840 and Dr. Charles Hoff as they discuss
00:04:38.320 what's going on in B.C. right now.
00:04:40.940 Apparently, David Eby has become somewhat
00:04:44.960 of an authoritarian out there and wants to pass
00:04:47.820 strong premier powers.
00:04:52.480 So we're going to discuss that.
00:04:53.540 Bill 7, Bill 21, the Infant Act repealed.
00:04:56.400 bill 36 as well all on the table tonight during the regular show at eight o'clock central time
00:05:03.640 also i caught a photo that katie pisidney of universal ostrich farm in british columbia
00:05:10.340 posted on facebook about an hour ago her and her mom were on their way back from the court
00:05:15.620 proceedings and they didn't give us any any updates the we don't know what happened all we
00:05:22.400 know is that they were both smiling very, very happily in this photo. So I'm hoping that it's
00:05:31.240 good news that came out of that court case the last couple of days. And I'll be looking for
00:05:36.680 information on that as we continue. This debate tonight, Pierre Polyev needs to land a knockout
00:05:44.260 blow. Never mind Jagmeet Singh, never mind Blanchet. Those two guys are irrelevant in this
00:05:52.060 debate. Blanchet was relevant last night in Quebec, obviously. Singh, not at all. Polyev,
00:05:58.100 probably not as much as Blanchet. And of course, Mark Carney, everybody's got their target on him,
00:06:03.480 except for some reason, Jagmeet Singh, who was attacking Polyev more than Carney last night in
00:06:08.940 the French language debate, which makes me think even more that the NDP are throwing this election
00:06:15.380 completely. It's projected they're going to get eight seats in this next parliament, which would
00:06:20.020 put them below party status level. They would lose their funding. They would lose speaking
00:06:25.980 privileges in the House. Yeah, disaster for the NDP possibly coming up. I want to take you while
00:06:32.260 we're waiting for the debate to begin, I want to take you to last night's post-French debate
00:06:37.500 question period with some of the leaders you see independent media was allowed in last night so
00:06:43.080 juno news was there rebel news was there and let me show you a couple of the questions first
00:06:48.640 it's alex zoltan from juno news asking a question of mark carney watch this
00:06:53.840 and with true north uh if you thought my friend's question was odd you're gonna love this one
00:06:58.040 i'm glad you self uh self-assessed that okay how many genders are there
00:07:02.780 There, in terms of sex, there are two. Thank you.
00:07:09.600 My follow-up question then, do you believe that women, biological women, have the right 1.00
00:07:14.280 to their own spaces, their own sports, their own change rooms, their own prisons, their 1.00
00:07:19.900 own homeless shelters?
00:07:22.100 I think we, this is Canada, and that as a general objective, yes.
00:07:32.000 but we work where we value all Canadians for who they are,
00:07:39.360 and we'll continue to do so.
00:07:41.160 Thank you very much.
00:07:42.560 We can value all Canadians for who they are,
00:07:45.200 but what about their mental conditions?
00:07:50.200 What these people need is psychiatric help.
00:07:53.600 So that was an interesting question that has not been brought up at all
00:07:57.640 in any of the rhetoric surrounding the campaign for the last few weeks.
00:08:00.940 And then here's, oh, what's your name? Alexis, Alexis Lavoie of Rebel News trying to get an answer out of Jagmeet Singh.
00:08:08.480 And look at his amazing arrogance here. Watch.
00:08:11.920 You have been a member of parliament for six years, which now gives you the right to a pension.
00:08:17.520 Before that, you were a provincial member and you have spent much of your career having your salary paid by the public.
00:08:25.840 But you decided to boycott the Conservatives and others, and you supported Justin Trudeau's bill on the Internet.
00:08:36.720 Now, this is paid by all Canadians.
00:08:41.020 Why do you think it's ethically acceptable to marginalize Conservatives and to refuse to treat them with respect?
00:08:49.240 I don't answer your – I will not answer your question from Rebel News.
00:08:54.420 So I will not take that question, but I will take the time to say that for me,
00:09:00.420 what is critical in this election is the issue of who will fight for Canadians,
00:09:05.420 who will defend the things that people hold dear, such as healthcare,
00:09:10.420 who will defend the interests of everyday Canadians and not rich CEOs,
00:09:16.420 and who will be able to stand up to companies that rip Canadians off.
00:09:23.420 I have a hold of it, so you'll have to listen to me again. 0.80
00:09:28.420 Now, you feel that – the Indians feel that your opinions are not acceptable, and you refuse to answer questions from journalists with whom you disagree, as you've just done now.
00:09:49.420 presume that in your opinion we should be punished one way or another so how are you any different
00:09:56.080 from authoritarian politicians uh that you would imprison for their ideas this is another reason
00:10:03.400 why i do not take questions from rebel news because you promote disinformation and your
00:10:09.460 question is an example of that
00:10:11.440 Question in English, please.
00:10:16.660 Wow.
00:10:18.140 Now, speaking of arrogance, this was the CBC last night, amazed, astounded, in disbelief
00:10:24.400 that there would be any independent journalism led into the debates for questions at all.
00:10:30.580 Watch.
00:10:31.000 Rosie, I'm curious what stood out to you, because at one point when some of those last
00:10:34.460 questions came up, I just checked, yeah, no, we're in Canada, because the identity
00:10:39.260 politics questions have not emerged much this happens on the same day that the the united
00:10:45.180 kingdom uh court ruled that uh women and sex refer to biological women and biological sex
00:10:50.700 uh true north is a very right-wing um website um and there have been issues in the past with
00:10:58.860 who gets allowed into these scrums and who's allowed to ask questions of the leaders
00:11:02.860 the commission uh debates commission was the one who decided that uh these people uh were allowed
00:11:08.700 these people these kinds of questions so there there you go all right
00:11:13.740 these people didn't don cherry get fired for something like that
00:11:19.900 these people well she just said these people like the incredible oh it's amazing
00:11:29.740 okay it looks like the debate's about to begin you guys let me throw it up on the screen here
00:11:33.180 and turn on the sound.
00:11:40.360 Good evening.
00:11:41.580 You're looking right now to bird's eye view
00:11:43.480 of the Maison de Radio-Canada in Montreal,
00:11:46.600 the site of tonight's English language leaders debate,
00:11:50.140 where in about 25 minutes' time,
00:11:52.100 we'll see all the major party leaders
00:11:54.080 take to those podiums in the atrium
00:11:56.080 and participate in a two-hour exchange.
00:11:59.180 The only English language debate
00:12:01.280 of Canada's 45th general election campaign.
00:12:05.460 Hello, everyone. I'm Michael Serapio.
00:12:07.120 Thank you for joining us this evening.
00:12:09.100 Did they push back the start time?
00:12:11.260 It was supposed to be 7 o'clock Eastern, not 7.30.
00:12:15.380 Is there another important hockey game on tonight that I didn't realize?
00:12:22.020 All right, so now I've got 25 minutes to fill.
00:12:24.180 That's fine. That's fine.
00:12:25.220 We can go ahead and do some Q&As here.
00:12:27.700 What do you guys think is the important...
00:12:30.700 What needs to happen in the debate tonight?
00:12:34.080 What absolutely has to happen?
00:12:38.880 Because if the polls are to be believed, and again, I think they're very sketchy.
00:12:45.120 Let's just put it like that.
00:12:46.440 And I know the Liberals have got a lot of soft support.
00:12:49.460 Because I think I said this on the show last night.
00:12:51.680 We've been hearing for years, ad nauseum, that the Liberals are the natural governing party of Canada.
00:12:59.200 And it seems as though that maybe they are the default party when people go to the polls to vote federally, not so much provincially, because provincially is a whole different matter.
00:13:11.260 In Ontario, you've got three parties, generally speaking, that run provincially.
00:13:15.940 Manitoba, there's only two.
00:13:17.760 You've got the NDP and the PCs, the Progressive Conservatives, and the Liberals don't even register in Manitoba.
00:13:24.380 Saskatchewan, it's the Saskatchewan party and the NDP.
00:13:27.300 Alberta, you got the UCP and the NDP.
00:13:30.200 Quebec is a completely different ballgame.
00:13:32.440 I'm not sure what it's like in Atlantic Canada provincially.
00:13:35.680 But when it comes to federal, for some reason, people go,
00:13:39.060 well, I'm not right and I'm not left,
00:13:43.860 which means I'm not NDP and I'm not conservative.
00:13:46.980 I think I'm going to vote liberal because they're right in the middle.
00:13:51.480 Even though that party has been so far left for the past 10 years
00:13:55.300 because of Justin Trudeau and his minions.
00:13:58.200 And now, what it sounds like to me is that Mark Carney steps in.
00:14:03.660 Mark Carney, you know, 59, 60-year-old banker.
00:14:07.900 He's got world experience.
00:14:09.680 He was the governor of the Bank of Canada,
00:14:11.700 then the governor of the Bank of England.
00:14:13.740 He's dealt in the UN.
00:14:15.560 People hear all of this stuff.
00:14:16.780 They don't know him, I don't think.
00:14:18.480 But he comes across as this calming sort of fatherly figure
00:14:23.140 to many of these people.
00:14:25.300 And I think just that alone, and I understand what you guys might be saying right now.
00:14:29.360 You're going, they're not listening to the issues.
00:14:31.380 They don't know what this guy's really all about.
00:14:33.840 I totally get that.
00:14:35.140 I understand completely.
00:14:37.540 But many people don't know the issues, and they won't know the issues.
00:14:44.160 And so they're throwing the persona of Mark Carney out there.
00:14:49.200 After 10 years of riding that roller coaster with all those Justin Trudeau scandals
00:14:53.200 and the tongue and the black face and all of, you know, the lying.
00:15:00.480 They look at Carney and go, oh, man, like that's the guy we need running this ship,
00:15:05.080 somebody to calm it down.
00:15:06.500 And then they look at Pierre Polyev, who's the younger guy, right?
00:15:10.580 And he comes off, I suppose, to some of these folks, because Canadians,
00:15:15.140 as somewhat abrasive because he corrects the premise of many reporters questions and the
00:15:24.680 reporters don't like that they get their noses out of joint but obviously you can't answer a 0.81
00:15:30.200 question that's set up to make you look like a fraud or a liar or a right-wing knuckle dragger
00:15:38.020 or whatever it is they're trying to set you up as and so he corrects the premise of those questions
00:15:42.900 I think he does it actually quite smartly.
00:15:45.040 I don't think he does it arrogantly at all.
00:15:50.500 And I think in the past week or so, and maybe this is too late,
00:15:54.360 Polyev has been trying to get the message out to Canadians via YouTube,
00:15:59.420 mostly podcasts we've never heard of because people have been urging,
00:16:03.180 you got to go do podcasts, you got to do podcasts.
00:16:05.900 And so he did a couple of these podcasts,
00:16:07.900 and I'd never heard of any of the podcasts that he's been on,
00:16:12.160 in which you're two or three, and he brought his wife on with him,
00:16:14.500 and he talked about their kids and how one of them is special needs
00:16:17.860 and how much he's learned from being a father and a husband
00:16:21.360 and just the years spent in Parliament as an MP serving his constituents.
00:16:28.380 So they're trying to soften his image somewhat,
00:16:30.720 but that probably should have happened a year ago, even two years ago.
00:16:36.180 And I know they tried it a while back,
00:16:38.740 and then they just dropped that campaign altogether.
00:16:42.160 But it seems to me that the conservative numbers go up when Polyev gets feisty, when Polyev starts calling things out, not when he's placating or trying to placate.
00:16:55.040 And I totally get that they're trying to make him look more human, like a young father.
00:17:00.300 You know, he's got a heart because that's the rap on conservatives, too, right? 0.99
00:17:04.260 You heartless conservatives, you're monsters.
00:17:06.480 because you know for years and years and years whenever a conservative government gets elected 0.98
00:17:15.080 anywhere whether it's a province or federally they have to come in and clean up the mess left
00:17:21.720 behind by the previous government usually an NDP or liberal government who's been overspending for
00:17:26.880 five or six years and now because there's no money left in the provincial or federal coffers
00:17:32.620 you've got to cut stuff you've got to cut stuff or you've got to raise taxes it's one or the other
00:17:37.100 or you lose your triple a bank rating and it costs more money to borrow money your interest rates go
00:17:44.000 up which means your taxes go up and so on and so on and so on bad fiscal policy from the left means
00:17:50.520 that the right has to come in and cut stuff and people don't like that i don't understand why
00:17:55.920 people don't just get the idea that you can't have both you can't oops hang on you can't have
00:18:05.480 both you can't have big government programs that cost money and low taxes at the same time it
00:18:11.140 doesn't work like that you've got to have high taxes for all of these programs and i'm going to
00:18:16.860 be completely honest in this question here and answer have you ever like of all the government
00:18:24.940 programs, provincial, federal, whatever, that have ever been offered, have you qualified for any of
00:18:29.980 them? Have you ever even bothered to try to qualify for any of them? I know I have not.
00:18:37.320 I just look at these programs like a waste because they say, oh, rolling out dental care. We're
00:18:42.880 rolling out this. Whatever program it is they've rolled out over the years. For some reason,
00:18:47.620 it's always seemed to evade me. I just look at it and go, oh, great. So you're just giving people
00:18:53.360 more free stuff so they'll vote for you. That's pretty much all it is. Anything the government
00:18:57.620 provides outside of building roads, you know, basic infrastructure, can be handled by the
00:19:03.460 private sector. It can be regulated by government, but it doesn't need to be handled and done
00:19:09.860 and executed by the government. That's, you know, the problem I've had for many, many years when it
00:19:15.460 comes to government-run liquor stores, government-run casinos, government-run this, government-run
00:19:20.980 that get out of the way but people will lose jobs no they'll just keep working for whoever's running
00:19:27.360 it whatever private agency comes in and decides they're going to run it and big government leads
00:19:35.920 to big problems as far as i'm concerned mark carney is all about bigger government and polyev
00:19:42.460 is not but that's the problem that conservatives have whenever they come into power they got to
00:19:48.180 bring out the scissors and people go oh you're evil you're cutting child care you're cutting
00:19:53.520 dental care you're cutting medical services for way up north where there's three people living
00:19:59.120 not to say those people don't deserve health care but i mean come on there's three of you
00:20:05.920 living up there in the remote north i mean you probably got to take that into consideration
00:20:10.820 before you move up there in the first place so it looks like there's a panel on cpac right now
00:20:17.380 Let me throw this up here and see what these guys are talking about.
00:20:20.140 This guy here that Michael Serapio is talking to is the CBC pollster,
00:20:25.120 or used to be the CBC pollster.
00:20:26.760 He does a podcast now.
00:20:28.880 And I forget his name, but...
00:20:30.620 ...would win 196 seats right now, in part because of the regional leads that we see.
00:20:35.100 They have about a nine-point lead in Ontario.
00:20:37.060 Yeah, so he's going off on the polls right now,
00:20:39.720 and there's your projections in terms of polling.
00:20:43.080 196 seats for the Liberals.
00:20:45.460 Unbelievable.
00:20:45.900 190. How is the debate live right now? Oh, there we go. Okay. I'm just going to go back.
00:21:00.500 Here we go. Okay.
00:21:02.980 As a win for him, then I think it was.
00:21:06.520 I would say, I mean, I think Carney had a good night. I don't think it's just because he didn't fall on his face.
00:21:13.660 We'll talk about in decades, pretty safe, trying to achieve their very modest goals,
00:21:19.720 given the number of Francophone voters in Quebec.
00:21:22.780 And if Pierre Paulyev wants to form government,
00:21:26.680 arguably he needs to do better than the polls are predicting he's going to do in Quebec right now.
00:21:31.900 He's now facing the leaders once again in the...
00:21:35.160 Starting point for negotiations, Mr. Carney, with the United States.
00:21:38.340 if, as you have stated, our relationship with the U.S. is over as we know it?
00:21:45.040 Well, first, Steve, may I thank you and also thank fellow leaders for their service to Canada,
00:21:50.540 people at home, for taking the time to watch.
00:21:53.300 I just want to underscore the premise of your question,
00:21:55.860 because I think the relationship that we've had with the United States,
00:21:59.140 the relationship over the course of almost the last four decades,
00:22:01.880 which has been one of steadying, increasing integration, has fundamentally changed,
00:22:05.500 because the president is looking to fundamentally restructure the trading system.
00:22:09.560 So the starting point has to be one of strength.
00:22:13.320 It has to show that we have control of our own economic destiny,
00:22:19.820 has to have a clear plan here at home to build this economy,
00:22:24.800 to diversify our trading partners with like-minded countries,
00:22:28.120 and also has to have a position of strength in terms of our reaction to the U.S. unjustified tariffs.
00:22:34.380 And that's why we have put in place counter tariffs that have maximum impact in the United States and minimum impact here at home.
00:22:43.020 Mr. Poliev, would you do anything differently?
00:22:46.060 Well, first of all, thank you, Steve, and thank you to our fellow contestants here today.
00:22:51.420 It's an honour to be here.
00:22:53.180 What would I do different?
00:22:54.540 Well, I'll start by what I would do the same.
00:22:56.660 I think we do need to counter the American tariffs with our own to deter this economic aggression.
00:23:02.860 we must make clear that we will always be sovereign and independent.
00:23:06.200 What would I be doing differently?
00:23:08.380 Well, we need to be in a position of strength.
00:23:12.020 The Liberal government has weakened our economy with anti-energy laws,
00:23:15.780 red tape, and high taxes that have driven $500 billion out of our country into the United States
00:23:21.340 and made us incapable of shipping our resources overseas.
00:23:26.580 That weakness threatens our ability to stand up for ourselves.
00:23:30.260 So what would I do? I would cut taxes, red tape, and approve our resource projects so that we can get our goods to market and bring home the jobs so we stand up to President Trump from a position of strength.
00:23:44.800 Mr. Singh, you get the next question. Can we trust the United States to work with us on matters such as Arctic sovereignty and defense policy?
00:23:52.540 I think we've seen, first of all, good evening, everyone, and thank you for tuning in, and thanks for the question, Steve.
00:23:58.000 We've seen what, for a lot of people, feels like a betrayal when we look at the United States.
00:24:02.520 I grew up in a border town, I grew up in Windsor, and we saw how connected we were as a city and as a community.
00:24:09.100 People lived on one side of the border, worked on the other.
00:24:11.780 People traveled back and forth all the time.
00:24:13.840 We're in the automotive capital of Canada, and we knew how important it was to be able to build cars in Canada,
00:24:20.340 but we saw that those cars went back and forth across the border.
00:24:22.800 seeing what Donald Trump did to attack Canada in this unprovoked way without any justification
00:24:28.960 really felt like a betrayal and so Canadians now are right to say well we don't really trust
00:24:33.460 Donald Trump at this point and we can't really have a lot of faith in him so when it comes to
00:24:37.680 our Arctic sovereignty and our security we need to make decisions that are in our best interest
00:24:41.820 and no longer be so dependent and so reliant on the U.S. and that's what I would advocate for
00:24:47.440 making sure we are resilient independent and less dependent on the United States.
00:24:51.780 Mr. Blanchet, for you, what supports would you want to see for industries affected by tariffs, many, of course, of which are in Quebec?
00:24:59.620 Many of them. First, we all will come in Quebec and Montreal. You have me because I try not to speak English in Montreal.
00:25:07.380 However, I think we should never underestimate the threat that Mr. Trump poses on Quebec economy and Canada economy and Mexico economy.
00:25:16.040 But we must acknowledge the fact that the economy of Quebec is built differently.
00:25:22.500 The challenges are not the same.
00:25:24.720 The necessity for Quebec to have at least partly its own voice in the negotiation is important.
00:25:30.820 The difference between Quebec and Canada is very important in terms of economy,
00:25:35.200 but also in terms of identity and language and values and who we are and the way we want to handle immigration.
00:25:42.140 So we have the right to be different.
00:25:44.400 And if this difference is being respected by whoever becomes prime minister of Canada, we will be reliable partners in order to achieve the best possible negotiation and protect ourselves and our economies as partners.
00:25:58.180 Merci, Monsieur Blanchet.
00:25:59.460 OK, we now move into open debate and I'll start it off, Mr Carney, with you and then we go from there.
00:26:04.980 Do you still support dollar for dollar tariffs, even if they ultimately threaten Canadian jobs and businesses?
00:26:11.600 No, and in fact, we've already moved off from dollar for dollar tariffs.
00:26:17.020 You know, we have to recognize, and I think we all do, the United States economy is more than 10 times the size of the Canadian economy.
00:26:23.080 And the principle in terms of our counter tariffs is to have maximum impact in the United States, as I said a moment ago, minimum impact here.
00:26:31.060 So we have to think about the impact on Canadian businesses.
00:26:34.600 I'll give you one example, if I may.
00:26:35.960 In the auto sector, the way we've designed those auto tariffs is that Canadian automakers, if they maintain production here, if they maintain their investments here, when I say Canadian automakers, I mean automakers that have jobs and plants and production in Canada, then they can have lower tariffs on what they ship to the United States.
00:26:57.580 We create a huge incentive for them in order to do that.
00:27:00.420 We also have carved out the Canadian auto parts sector.
00:27:04.000 Last point, I know you're pressed for time.
00:27:06.140 The Canadian auto parts sector so that it can remain competitive with the United States.
00:27:10.860 We're focused on maximizing Canadian jobs, maximizing the harm in the U.S. so that we get them where we need them.
00:27:17.040 Mr. Poliette, who went in? Then Mr. Singh.
00:27:19.180 Mr. Carney, you claim that you want our country to respond with strength.
00:27:24.620 But after the last decade, half of which time you've been Justin Trudeau's economic advisor, our economy is weaker than ever before.
00:27:34.740 It's been the worst growth in the G7.
00:27:36.480 We've lost a half trillion dollars of investment south of the border.
00:27:40.060 You supported blocking pipelines in Canada that gave Donald Trump and the U.S. a near monopoly over our energy.
00:27:48.440 And now you want to keep in place Bill C-69, the liberal no new development law that blocks us from shipping our resources overseas.
00:28:01.160 How could you possibly think it's a good idea to give the Americans a continued monopoly on our energy projects
00:28:08.640 when you have seen how much these liberal policies have weakened our country over the last decade?
00:28:15.260 Let Mr. Carney respond.
00:28:16.680 Sure, sure.
00:28:17.660 If I may, yes. So let's go to my record. My record is a month long as Prime Minister,
00:28:23.680 and this goes to the heart of coming to the Americans with strength, but doing the right
00:28:27.440 thing for Canada. Within the first week as Prime Minister, I sat down with all the premiers of the
00:28:32.440 provinces and territories, as well as the leaders of the Indigenous peoples. Got an agreement with
00:28:38.580 all the provinces and territories, doesn't happen very often, got an agreement for them
00:28:41.920 to have one Canadian economy instead of 13, first point. Secondly, to commit the federal government
00:28:47.360 to do its part by Canada Day.
00:28:49.360 So free trade in Canada by Canada Day.
00:28:51.540 Thirdly, the federal government to commit
00:28:53.640 with respect to project reviews.
00:28:55.420 The question was about pipelines.
00:28:56.340 Sorry, I'm getting to it.
00:28:58.040 Thirdly, one project, one review,
00:29:00.360 and relying on provincial...
00:29:03.680 Yes, it is possible on our system.
00:29:06.240 It is the impact assessment.
00:29:08.700 It is agreed under the impact assessment framework,
00:29:12.460 and we have a cooperation agreement
00:29:13.720 with British Columbia already.
00:29:15.720 We're looking forward to them with the other provinces.
00:29:17.360 Of course, we agree around having a strategic response to the United States.
00:29:24.920 But what I'm concerned about is what we're doing here in Canada.
00:29:27.880 We are already seeing threats to our country in that just the threats alone of the tariffs have meant Canadians have lost their jobs.
00:29:34.640 The threats of the tariffs that are in pace right now, the impact of those tariffs is that we've lost jobs in steel, aluminum, and the auto sector.
00:29:42.960 People are already losing their jobs.
00:29:44.240 And while, Mr. Carney, you had time, as you mentioned, not very long time, but as prime minister, you showed us your priorities.
00:29:50.940 The first thing you did is you had traveled, you made a tax cut for billionaires, which was reversing on the capital gains.
00:29:57.400 So you gave a tax cut to millionaires, but you didn't have time to increase the amount that workers get on EI.
00:30:03.680 Right now, workers who are struggling and wondering, what am I going to do if I lose my job?
00:30:09.080 workers who've lost their job are saying, how do I pay my bills when EI only covers half of a worker's
00:30:15.040 salary? Maybe 40 years ago that would have worked, but right now most workers are spending their
00:30:19.640 entire salary just to pay the bills, to pay their mortgage and their rent, and to put food on the
00:30:24.780 table. So EI is not good enough, and it shows Canadians that you didn't make it a priority
00:30:28.980 to protect those that are impacted by these tariffs that are a threat because their jobs
00:30:33.580 are lost. We have not heard from Monsieur Blanchet yet in this segment, so please.
00:30:37.040 Yeah, Mr. Carney, you are becoming a real Canadian leader saying one thing in French and another one in English.
00:30:42.860 You said in British Columbia in February that you would force oil and gas through pipelines through Quebec,
00:30:50.580 either we wanted it or not.
00:30:53.340 You would use emergency powers in order to do so.
00:30:56.140 And two days later in Montreal, you said that you would never do that without the approval of Quebec.
00:31:01.580 What's the point of using emergency powers if you do have the agreement of Quebec?
00:31:08.120 However, I do agree with you.
00:31:09.700 It's important to be very strong in front of Mr. Trump.
00:31:14.640 However, I would keep the dollar-for-dollar policy.
00:31:18.540 Don't be weak in front of Mr. Trump.
00:31:21.600 And those counter-tariffs have to be targeted.
00:31:26.020 You have put out already two billions of dollars for Ontario auto industry, car industry,
00:31:32.860 and the lumberwood industry in Quebec has already paid to the United States two billions of dollars,
00:31:38.640 and you have not raised one finger in order to help us.
00:31:42.500 Let's get from Mr. Poliev and then a response from Mr. Carney.
00:31:45.580 Well, Mr. Carney refused to answer the question about pipelines.
00:31:49.640 Just the other day, he said that he doesn't necessarily think we need to build pipelines.
00:31:53.880 Let me tell you what that means.
00:31:56.020 Right now, the Americans get 97 percent of our oil, 100 percent of our natural gas exports at big discounts.
00:32:03.480 We have to send Canadian oil from Western Canada through the states just to get it back to Quebec because we don't have a pipeline.
00:32:10.300 And now there's this law, liberal law C-69, which effectively bans pipelines.
00:32:16.060 The 14 biggest energy and resource companies say it has to go if we're ever going to build another project.
00:32:21.740 And I asked Mr. Carney why he would keep in place this anti-pipeline law that effectively empowers Donald Trump to have a total monopoly on our single biggest export.
00:32:35.180 Why would you not repeal this liberal law?
00:32:37.900 Isn't it because you are exactly the same in the same line as Justin Trudeau and the rest of the liberal team that is now making up your cabinet?
00:32:47.200 That's what he needs to do.
00:32:48.380 Well, let's let me pick up a couple of points that have been made.
00:32:50.700 The first thing I did as Prime Minister was to cut the carbon tax.
00:32:54.540 That's the first thing.
00:32:55.500 Second thing is made a commitment that all proceeds...
00:32:58.700 No, interrupt him and say you didn't cut the carbon tax.
00:33:01.660 ...will go to workers and those companies most effective...
00:33:04.480 There were several points raised.
00:33:05.860 It means nothing so far.
00:33:07.240 Mr. Steve, if I may redress, I'm trying to do it quickly because several points raised.
00:33:12.200 All proceeds go to workers and the firms most effective, and those proceeds are considerable.
00:33:17.320 Third thing, I'm interested in solutions.
00:33:19.740 I'm interested in getting energy infrastructure built that means pipelines that means carbon capture storage that means electricity grids and here's how you do it and we've already moved in the first in the first month cooperation agreements with the provinces guess what we are a federation you need to cooperate with Quebec you need to cooperate with the provinces you need to get first nations and indigenous people buy in you can do that through through the one project one review is he flip-flopping on the pipeline nationally now ministers meeting as well as if
00:33:49.720 if necessary, using emergency powers to fulfill the federal responsibility, but not the uniqueness.
00:33:54.800 Mr. Poliette, do you want to come back on that?
00:33:56.360 What you're saying, Mr. Carney, with respect, is a total contradiction.
00:34:01.440 The no-new development law, C-69, guarantees there will not be a one-stop shop
00:34:06.560 because it requires the government of Canada to actually duplicate the same project.
00:34:13.820 Have no regulation. Have one-stop shop.
00:34:15.960 Shut up, Jagmeet. 0.97
00:34:16.740 Let's just let him finish the sentence that is not true in fact 0.97
00:34:22.060 Mr. Singh the reality is we should have strong rules enforced once we shouldn't have multiple levels. I heard you hear about the environment
00:34:29.280 That takes it takes now 17 years to get a major project approved in this country
00:34:35.100 Look at the lefties laughing with each other last 10 years. We've had the worst economic growth in our in the entire
00:34:41.700 We cannot afford a fourth liberal term.
00:34:46.320 We need a change.
00:34:47.300 And the conservative plan for a change will include repealing the anti-pipeline law so we can get our energy to markets other than the United States.
00:34:54.440 Mr. Singh and Mr. Cardi.
00:34:55.580 While these two compete about who's more pro-pipeline, I think what we need to do is, I mean, it's clear.
00:35:00.080 The liberals bought a pipeline.
00:35:01.380 They built a pipeline.
00:35:02.220 I don't know what Pierre is complaining about.
00:35:04.280 That's what they did.
00:35:05.340 I think what we need to do, if we're talking about energy in our country, we need to build an east-west grid.
00:35:10.180 Let's use our power as a nation to build a national project that creates good jobs, that strengthens us for the future, where we connect the low-cost energy from jurisdictions and provinces across this beautiful land and have low-cost energy for businesses, for people, so we can build a stronger economy.
00:35:27.180 That's the energy of the future that we need.
00:35:29.200 Mr. Carney.
00:35:29.780 Three quick points.
00:35:31.120 What energy corridor?
00:35:32.800 The pipeline built, yes.
00:35:34.380 TMX built.
00:35:35.100 That's why oil exports up 50% over the course of the last few years.
00:35:38.660 Secondly, Mr. Singh is absolutely right about the east-west grid.
00:35:43.840 Grid interconnections, which is part of the energy corridor, huge opportunities for this country.
00:35:47.780 We have to be able to do more than one thing.
00:35:50.560 Third point, fundamental point, we can give ourselves far more than Donald Trump can ever take away.
00:35:56.620 If we have one Canadian economy, not 13, and if we just look at that agreement we got with the provinces,
00:36:01.960 look at what Ontario and Nova Scotia have just announced in terms of their steps towards this,
00:36:06.440 This is within our grasp.
00:36:09.300 Monsieur Blanchet, what should we be prepared to concede in our negotiations with the United States?
00:36:13.340 What east-west corridor are they talking about?
00:36:15.240 I want to be back to something that Mr. Carney said.
00:36:18.860 You can't do something and de-opposite, and you can't fill people's mind with nonsense.
00:36:25.000 Quebec has, by law, its own environmental review institution,
00:36:31.020 and you cannot, through a federal decision,
00:36:34.480 even through a Quebec government decision,
00:36:37.380 go over the BAP, as we call it.
00:36:40.980 If the BAP says no, she said it's no.
00:36:45.360 I know.
00:36:46.300 Good.
00:36:47.060 I know.
00:36:47.400 Let's keep that in mind.
00:36:48.580 This is the point.
00:36:49.340 This is, if I may, this is the point.
00:36:51.920 The federal government can do the following,
00:36:54.260 which is to take the decision
00:36:55.580 to abide by the decision of the Quebec BAP.
00:36:59.700 That is within the federal government's power.
00:37:01.520 That is known as cooperative federalism.
00:37:03.940 That's what we need to do.
00:37:04.920 And do you understand one other point?
00:37:06.140 This is what we need to do in a crisis.
00:37:09.900 We have Moissi and then Mr. Pellet.
00:37:11.340 Yeah.
00:37:13.200 The building of those pipelines will take at least 10 to 14 years.
00:37:21.140 No, they won't.
00:37:22.180 Mr. Trump will be 90 years old, not president, no more.
00:37:27.620 And somebody, of course, less terrible will be there
00:37:31.440 before you can even dream of having oil through this pipeline of yours.
00:37:36.700 We're less than a minute to go.
00:37:37.680 Mr. Paliyev, I promise you, next.
00:37:39.740 Listen, after the last 10 years of liberals blocking pipelines and killing jobs...
00:37:46.120 It sounds wild when you say that.
00:37:46.780 We actually need to get things done.
00:37:49.960 We need a change.
00:37:50.700 And our conservative plan for change will repeal the no-new pipelines law.
00:37:55.280 It will create a true one-stop shop, set up shovel-ready zones with pre-permitting so that we can approve LNG liquefaction export plants, mines, pipelines, nuclear plants, and also hydroelectric dams so that we can generate the power we need to be strong, self-reliant, and stand on our own two feet for change.
00:38:19.780 He's appealing to the West right now.
00:38:21.420 Quick word, bringing it back to what we're talking about, which is tariffs, the threats to Canada, how to negotiate.
00:38:27.180 We need these options.
00:38:29.100 We need these options to build domestically, to build one Canadian economy.
00:38:33.000 We need to act.
00:38:33.840 We need to diversify our trade partners.
00:38:35.240 And that will give us strength in the U.S.
00:38:36.920 That is our time.
00:38:37.740 You don't like job tonight.
00:38:38.900 I've got to be the heavy guy here every now and then.
00:38:40.800 Yeah, heavy.
00:38:41.200 I'm sure everybody comes to time.
00:38:42.260 And I'm keeping an eye as well on making sure that everybody gets rough justice over here.
00:38:46.540 That concludes our first section and our first debate.
00:38:49.240 Up next, affordability and the cost of living.
00:38:54.740 Our goal is to double the pace of housing.
00:38:58.280 So both Singh and Carney were talking about this East-West Energy Corridor.
00:39:04.380 How do you do an East-West Energy Corridor without pipelines?
00:39:10.160 That doesn't make any sense to me.
00:39:13.540 Carney says no new pipelines, but he wants an East-West Energy Corridor.
00:39:18.340 what huh in debate format and mr polyev you get the first question this time many provinces
00:39:24.300 including some provinces with conservative governments have ambitious housing targets
00:39:28.460 none of which have been met why do you think your housing plan will be any different
00:39:33.020 let me start by talking to the young people of the nation and those who are aspiring to
00:39:38.960 homeownership you know it was only 10 years ago you could buy an average house for 450 000
00:39:45.260 dollars. But in the last lost liberal decade, housing costs have doubled, rising faster than
00:39:51.860 in any country in the G7. And so now our youth cannot afford a home. This could be where Polyev
00:39:58.040 hits him with Brookfield, with the modular homes. We can't afford a fourth liberal term of rising
00:40:01.840 housing costs. We need a change. And our conservative plan for change will, one, axe
00:40:07.640 the federal sales tax on new homes. Two, incentivize municipalities to cut their
00:40:13.820 construction taxes to bring houses down and cost by a hundred thousand dollars three sell off
00:40:19.540 federal land for homes and four train up 350 000 young trades workers who can help build those
00:40:27.220 homes because you deserve a home and we're going to make it happen for a change also on the issue
00:40:32.980 of affordability mr singh you get the next question how do you bring down grocery prices
00:40:36.920 in the midst of a trade war i appreciate the well it's the evil grocery store owners when i
00:40:43.400 talk to Canadians they tell me they're really feeling squeezed from the cost of living that's
00:40:47.800 one of the top things that people tell me about people are saying I can't afford to buy groceries
00:40:51.980 every time I go to the grocery store it's just ongoing worry and and this feeling of anxiety
00:40:58.220 that can I actually afford the things that my family needs on top of that people are worried
00:41:01.560 about the cost of homes I think those are the two biggest things I hear so we we can do things about
00:41:05.800 this other countries have taken concrete steps we can put in a price cap on food essentials
00:41:11.080 France has done it.
00:41:11.900 Greece has done it to great success.
00:41:13.660 It's brought down the cost of food significantly in both those jurisdictions.
00:41:17.240 We can also ban corporate landlords from buying up the affordable homes to keep homes that
00:41:21.620 are affordable, affordable.
00:41:23.240 We can make things better for Canadians, but it requires having the courage to take on
00:41:27.800 the powerful corporations that are ripping you off, that are price gouging you.
00:41:31.880 And we know that price gouging is one of the major reasons why food prices are going up.
00:41:35.860 You're never going to hear Pierre Polyev or Mr. Carney talk about the fact that these
00:41:39.780 are the corporations.
00:41:40.300 Thank you, Mr. Singh. That's time.
00:41:42.120 Mr. Blanchet, I want to ask you about old age security,
00:41:44.580 which will soon cost this country $100 billion annually.
00:41:48.380 We understand you would like to expand it.
00:41:50.520 How would you pay for that?
00:41:51.660 We would want it to be just for everybody
00:41:54.080 because the Liberals have created the discrimination against elders
00:41:57.800 which are 65 to 75 years old,
00:42:01.020 having 10% less income from federal government
00:42:04.160 than those who are over 75.
00:42:06.720 But the best way to do it is to have everybody pay its fair share in terms of tax, which means that one should not be entitled to hide money in fiscal paradise in order not to pay him or his clients or friends, not to pay billions of dollars in taxes that could be used to help the situation of elders.
00:42:30.100 Those are things which are supposed to be applied to, I'm sorry, applied to everybody.
00:42:34.660 There are a lot of questions to be answered about that.
00:42:37.920 Other ways to do it is to reduce the pressure on housing price
00:42:43.000 to make sure that the whole budget of elders and families and workers
00:42:48.100 can afford houses which have increased dramatically in price.
00:42:53.240 Next, Monsieur Blanchet, that's time for this one.
00:42:55.180 Mr Carney, I want to ask you about housing,
00:42:57.060 which over the past decade has gone from a problem to a crisis
00:43:01.120 while the Liberals were in power.
00:43:02.880 Is your policy on getting homes built any different from your predecessors, and how?
00:43:08.680 This is one of the reasons why I entered this contest, because of the housing crisis,
00:43:15.020 the cost-of-living crisis, the housing crisis, and the Trump crisis, to help fix it.
00:43:20.040 And I would say, look, the housing approach is fundamentally different because we need a fundamentally different approach.
00:43:25.520 We need to build housing at a rate that we haven't seen since the end of the Second World War.
00:43:31.340 We do need a fundamentally different approach.
00:43:33.260 And with the fundamentally different approach, we can build an entirely new industry.
00:43:37.640 So the question is how?
00:43:38.920 Now, Mr. Polyev and I agree on some things.
00:43:41.640 I agree as well on reducing the tax on first-time home purchases as a way to buy.
00:43:47.620 But I am focused on increasing the supply of homes.
00:43:52.460 Modular homes.
00:43:53.080 And doing that in a way that uses Canadian technology in modular, prefabricated housing.
00:43:57.180 It uses Canadian lumber, including in reinforced timber, and uses Canadian workers.
00:44:03.320 And in all respects, we're scaling up to double the rate of home building.
00:44:08.600 Thank you, Mr. Carney. That's time. We now move to open forum here.
00:44:11.200 And Mr. Singh, you get the first comment.
00:44:13.620 Many of you have pledged to cut the GST on many aspects of buying a home.
00:44:18.320 And Mr. Singh, I want to ask you, would you cut the GST on anything else in order to make life more affordable?
00:44:23.240 Absolutely. In fact, I'm the only one on this stage that fought to give people a GST holiday.
00:44:27.780 Interestingly, while the GST holiday helps working class folks, middle class folks.
00:44:31.740 Polyev should have cut him off and said, wait a minute, wait a minute.
00:44:33.880 These modular homes, the ones that you invested in with Brookfield voted against that.
00:44:37.760 They oppose the idea of giving people.
00:44:39.740 He doesn't want to look mean, but rather give millionaires a tax break, which shows you whose side he's on, which is not surprising.
00:44:47.280 But what is surprising that Mr. Carney also said that giving people a break on their GST is a bad idea.
00:44:52.200 Mr. Carney, why do you think giving a tax break to capital gains folks that earn more than a million dollars is a good idea, but helping a family afford their groceries, helping people afford their bills for their Internet, their cell phone, their home heating, giving them relief to take the GST off of those is a bad idea.
00:45:09.300 But giving a tax break to people who really only earn over more than one point four million dollars, that's somehow a good idea.
00:45:16.180 OK, you went after your numbers.
00:45:17.480 You went after Mr. Polly at first, so I'm going to give him the first shot to respond.
00:45:21.040 Well, Mr. Carney, the reality is that housing costs doubled under the Liberal government.
00:45:26.420 While Justin Trudeau made exactly the same promises that you are now repeating today,
00:45:32.260 he promised that he would double home building.
00:45:35.060 In fact, home building went down.
00:45:36.940 He promised that he'd reduce the cost.
00:45:38.500 In fact, it went up.
00:45:39.540 And now here we are.
00:45:41.140 Mark Carney is asking for a fourth Liberal term, repeating the exact same Liberal promises
00:45:46.880 that priced you out of a house.
00:45:49.000 Just a few weeks ago, before the election, the Liberals voted against taking the GST off new homes, and they have continued to build up bureaucracies that block construction.
00:45:59.860 We need a change so that you can afford a home.
00:46:02.200 And our change will be, again, to axe the sales tax on new homes, incentivize municipalities to speed up permits, free up land, and cut development costs,
00:46:11.600 train up 350,000 young people who can be in the trades to build those homes
00:46:16.260 and sell off the land that is going to be needed in order to build homes.
00:46:19.880 That is a real plan, a real plan for you to own a home and afford your life for a change.
00:46:26.460 Mr. Carney, they're coming at you from both sides.
00:46:28.240 What do you say?
00:46:28.780 OK, I know it may be difficult, Mr. Polyev.
00:46:32.720 You spent years running against Justin Trudeau in the carbon tax, and neither.
00:46:36.960 They're both gone.
00:46:37.800 OK, they're both gone.
00:46:38.840 And we're in a very different. Look, I'm a very different person from Justin Trudeau. Focus is on. Hammer him. Hammer him.
00:46:50.380 results in the housing market you've got to change the model of building you've got to increase the
00:46:57.020 financing for uh housing developers 25 billion dollars on the table for those housing developers
00:47:02.780 10 billion for deeply affordable homes cutting development charges in half lowering the cost
00:47:09.780 of the building of those homes by 20 percent in and lowering pierre get them and the run costs
00:47:16.600 of those homes by another 20 percent this is how you drive affordability this is how you bring
00:47:22.280 young people back into the house you claim to be very different from mr trudeau now the point is
00:47:31.480 to show that you are any better than mr trudeau you claim to have a lot of experience in many things
00:47:38.120 and you know things last time we had somebody saying that they knew things it was the senators
00:47:43.480 and they killed the law that protected supply management
00:47:47.080 because they knew better than us and were elected by nobody,
00:47:50.180 exactly like you are today.
00:47:52.560 You say that you are a great crisis manager.
00:47:56.180 Which one? I heard of nothing.
00:47:58.080 As far as I know, Brexit happened, even if you were against it.
00:48:02.440 You say you are a great negotiator.
00:48:05.120 What have you negotiated but fiscal paradises in Bermudas or Cayman Islands?
00:48:10.680 you have to prove something and you have to reveal what you okay there it is in those companies if
00:48:16.900 you want people to believe you mr singh you wanted him yes never mind him of housing now
00:48:21.880 it's very important obviously we need to build homes that people can afford mr poly have had
00:48:26.120 the opportunity to show us what he could do he was the minister of housing under stephen harper
00:48:30.960 and during that time guess how many homes he built he built six homes during that entire time
00:48:36.120 this is not something correct him to build homes false 200,000 200,000 this has been confirmed
00:48:41.120 again and again you know it has homes that's it now the problem though with mr carney is well
00:48:46.180 he's laid out a plan the problem is is that when he was the chair of brookville investments this
00:48:51.520 is a company that made a strategic decision to buy up affordable homes in cities like toronto
00:48:56.740 where people were paying a decent rent and they purposely bought those homes kicked out the
00:49:02.440 tenants and jacked up the rents. That is not someone you can trust, sadly, to deal with a
00:49:07.260 housing crisis when Mr. Carney profited off of it. We're going to get responses here, Mr. Paglia,
00:49:11.560 first. Mr. Carney, second. First of all, Mr. Singh, the Toronto Star debunked your falsehoods on that.
00:49:19.020 It was six homes. And I appreciate neither Liberals or NDP are very good with math, but in
00:49:23.660 that year, the year I was the minister, if I could, the year I was... Mr. Singh, let's let him answer.
00:49:28.920 In the year I was minister, we had 200,000 homes built.
00:49:33.480 And guess what the average price of a home was at the time?
00:49:36.500 $450,000.
00:49:37.740 And guess what happened at the end of the conference? 0.99
00:49:39.200 Jagmeet, shut up. 1.00
00:49:40.140 And one of the bedrooms rented out for $900. 0.93
00:49:42.980 And since that time, housing costs have actually doubled under the Liberals.
00:49:46.940 And now we have Mr. Carney making tens of billions of dollars of spending promises
00:49:53.200 that will ultimately continue to build bureaucracy.
00:49:56.380 We don't need more bureaucracy in Ottawa.
00:49:59.460 We tried that for 10 Liberal years, Mr Carney.
00:50:02.040 What we need is to build homes in communities.
00:50:04.880 And that means taxing taxes on home building
00:50:07.140 and getting the government out of the way
00:50:09.000 so that builders can actually build.
00:50:11.420 Mr Carney, you are on housing, we need a change,
00:50:14.420 and you, sir, are not a change.
00:50:16.340 Mark Carney.
00:50:17.580 I'm going to pick up on...
00:50:18.680 I thought that answer was quite revealing.
00:50:20.780 The first thing is that it's an attitude towards housing
00:50:24.580 that absolutely ignores affordable housing,
00:50:27.740 deeply affordable housing, issues with vulnerable people,
00:50:30.420 ignores the rental market, ignores all other aspects of it.
00:50:33.680 So the six are the relevant.
00:50:36.140 Mr. Singh is absolutely right.
00:50:37.760 The six are the relevant.
00:50:38.920 200,000.
00:50:39.720 The 200,000 are a different part of the housing market.
00:50:42.780 There are many Canadians.
00:50:44.440 There are many Canadians at different income levels.
00:50:47.360 The second thing it reveals is a misunderstanding or, well,
00:50:53.580 a misunderstanding, I'll be polite, of how the government's balance sheet can catalyze enormous
00:51:00.680 private investment. And that is what we need to do to solve the housing crisis. It happens to be
00:51:06.000 what we need to do as a whole to address the economic crisis that's been forced on us
00:51:11.860 by President Trump. Mr. Blanchet? Yeah. You have spoken much more than I have,
00:51:18.100 so I won't ask a question. I will make a statement instead. I'm not saying, no,
00:51:22.760 I'm not saying that you cannot do what you pretend that you are able to do.
00:51:26.100 We just have no proof so far.
00:51:28.080 I'm saying quite clearly that you cannot be entitled to do it alone.
00:51:32.980 You cannot be entitled to hold all the power in your two hands.
00:51:36.960 You cannot go out there and fix things for Canada and Quebec without being seriously checked by serious people.
00:51:44.760 You cannot go out there and speak for Quebec without Quebec having its own strong voice to protect itself and to promote its different economy.
00:51:55.120 So if you want to collaborate, let's say right now that whatever happens, even if minority government happens, you will be a partner with the different Quebec economy and identity, which you have been not interested in for the economic part and not respectful for the identity.
00:52:15.620 Let me get Mr. Singh in at this point. Can you tell us what's the first thing you would do to make life more affordable for Canadians?
00:52:21.940 Yeah, there's a lot of things that we can do,
00:52:23.300 and I've laid out some of those things.
00:52:25.500 Fundamentally, I'm the only person on stage
00:52:27.100 that not only fought for real relief for people
00:52:29.060 in terms of affordability,
00:52:30.740 I'm the only one that fought for pharmacare
00:52:32.780 that actually makes life more affordable
00:52:34.240 by giving people medication coverage.
00:52:36.180 Dental care, it gives people more affordability
00:52:38.340 by letting them access their services.
00:52:40.520 If you're a senior and a kid,
00:52:42.160 I fought for childcare to make sure people
00:52:43.780 could afford childcare.
00:52:44.800 All measures that Mr. Polyev voted against,
00:52:47.920 all measures that Mr. Blanchet voted against.
00:52:50.240 So if you want someone that's going to fight for you in Ottawa to actually make life more affordable, you can't entrust all the power to Mr. Carney.
00:52:57.960 He doesn't have a track record of making life more affordable for people, but we do.
00:53:01.560 So vote for a new Democrat, and we'll continue this work to make life more affordable for you.
00:53:05.700 While the Conservatives and the bloc have voted against those measures to make life affordable, because that's not who they care about, new Democrats are in it for you.
00:53:13.080 Pierre Polyev.
00:53:13.640 The number one expense for families today is taxes, more than they spend on food, clothing and shelter combined.
00:53:20.960 This after 10 years of liberal tax increases, we can't afford a fourth term of high liberal taxes.
00:53:28.580 That's why conservatives have a plan for change.
00:53:31.480 And that plan and plan voted against your measure to help you shut up income taxes.
00:53:35.900 Where's the moderator?
00:53:36.860 Don't shut up.
00:53:37.580 Worker and seniors are saving a working couple up to two thousand dollars.
00:53:41.540 rewarding hard work again because hard work is actually being punished is actually being punished
00:53:48.060 because of the very high taxes now the liberals promised 10 years ago they would lower them they
00:53:53.760 actually rose to raise taxes on nine out of ten canadians we need a change in this country because
00:53:59.720 your hard work should once again pay off with a powerful paycheck that buys you an affordable food
00:54:05.620 He's speaking on a safe street, and that's what we will deliver.
00:54:09.360 He doesn't interrupt Carney like this.
00:54:11.120 Cut their gentle care, which is thousands of dollars.
00:54:12.920 Cut their child care, which is thousands of dollars.
00:54:15.120 Cut pharma care coverage, which is thousands of dollars.
00:54:17.720 That's not a very good math deal right there.
00:54:19.520 You're going to cut, you're going to save people 2,000, but cost them tens of thousands of dollars.
00:54:23.720 That's why you cannot afford conservatives, and you certainly can't trust the liberals on their own.
00:54:27.380 You need new Democrats.
00:54:29.500 Let's see if he interrupts Carney.
00:54:30.900 That point, and then I'll respond to Mr. Blanchet.
00:54:33.160 child care in this country
00:54:36.080 $3,000 to $10,000 a year
00:54:38.700 for a family depending on where you live
00:54:40.380 province jurisdiction
00:54:41.260 depending on where you live
00:54:43.920 that's what's being saved there
00:54:45.720 $800 per trip to the dentist
00:54:47.900 we've expanded dental care to 8 million
00:54:50.740 what?
00:54:51.680 8 million Canadians
00:54:52.880 these are fundamental issues
00:54:56.540 for affordability
00:54:57.560 we're talking about affordability
00:54:58.760 and taking them off
00:55:00.200 in order to shut your tax
00:55:02.580 that's not what I've said and in terms of income tax working with Quebec for
00:55:08.260 Canadian yes absolutely throughout the short time I've been promised working
00:55:12.580 directly with the premier of Quebec our Minister of Foreign Affairs our
00:55:17.880 Minister of Finance are from Quebec Quebec and Quebec issues whether it's
00:55:22.320 why I answered miss like there goes a letter he asked five things in a letter
00:55:27.300 he reduced his expectations
00:55:29.520 and you did not
00:55:31.400 even answer him and tonight
00:55:33.260 you are so much in love with
00:55:35.480 Quebec
00:55:35.780 Steve, the question that Canadians
00:55:39.620 have to ask
00:55:40.420 Mr Singh, sorry he has the
00:55:45.520 floor
00:55:45.720 the question you have to ask is after a
00:55:49.380 decade of liberal promises
00:55:51.280 can you afford food
00:55:53.380 is your housing more affordable
00:55:55.440 than it used to be
00:55:56.280 what is your cost of living like compared to what it was a decade ago and are you prepared to elect
00:56:02.500 the same liberal mps the same liberal ministers the same liberal staffers all over again for a
00:56:07.900 fourth term mr carney justin trudeau's staffers are actually here with you at this debate in
00:56:13.500 montreal writing the talking points that you are regurgitating into the microphone how can we
00:56:18.420 possibly believe that you are any different than the previous 10 years of liberal what am i seeing
00:56:25.420 here a segment for you to respond are these teenagers look i do my own talking points thank
00:56:30.240 you very much okay hold on just a second we're going to continue on in just a second carney just
00:56:34.520 went oh i'm scared oh did he actually just do that you guys saw that right
00:56:42.280 i'm i'm looking in the comments here you guys you guys saw what he did let's
00:56:48.300 Let's just go back a little bit here.
00:56:53.680 The short time I've been.
00:56:55.260 Could that be a turning point?
00:56:57.440 People don't like that stuff.
00:56:58.900 They already hate Singh because he's interrupting all the time.
00:57:01.520 But this.
00:57:03.460 Prime Minister, working directly with the Premier of Quebec.
00:57:08.220 Our Minister of Foreign Affairs, our Minister of Finance are from Quebec.
00:57:12.200 Quebec and Quebec issues, whether it's.
00:57:14.260 Why have you answered Mr. Legault's letter?
00:57:17.160 He asked five things in the letter.
00:57:19.580 He reduced his expectations.
00:57:21.620 We're talking about liberal promises.
00:57:24.240 Can you afford food?
00:57:26.260 Is your housing more affordable than it used to be?
00:57:29.420 What is your cost of living like compared to what it was a decade ago?
00:57:33.540 And are you prepared to elect the same Liberal MPs, the same Liberal ministers, the same Liberal staffers all over again for a fourth term?
00:57:40.500 Mr. Carney, Justin Trudeau's staffers are actually here with you at this debate in Montreal, writing the talking points that you are regurgitating into the microphone.
00:57:50.080 How can we possibly believe that you are any president than the previous 10 years of liberal government?
00:57:56.920 25 seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that.
00:58:00.000 Look, I do my own talking points. Thank you very much.
00:58:03.000 Wow. That's petulance.
00:58:04.500 petulance biggest risk we have to affordability the biggest risk we have to this economy is
00:58:11.140 donald trump so first and foremost we've got to get that right secondly we need to do it in a way
00:58:16.380 that brings everyone along together that means preserving pharma care dental care child care
00:58:24.140 reinforcing health care spending our intrusion intrusion intrusion intrusion over and again
00:58:30.660 I like if you were any better. 0.63
00:58:32.940 Same with Alberta.
00:58:34.040 Is there one thing Canadians can do that Quebecers cannot do? 0.58
00:58:37.960 You are doing intrusions in our jurisdiction with our money, 0.98
00:58:42.060 pretending you are better,
00:58:43.480 and most of the time you try to copy what we did
00:58:46.380 with our own money against us.
00:58:48.860 What's that as a policy?
00:58:50.520 Don't you have your own things to care about?
00:58:52.560 That really is time for this segment.
00:58:54.180 I wanted to be polite and let everybody finish their points,
00:58:56.120 but we've got to move on.
00:58:57.480 I'm so high to the liberty.
00:58:58.760 Thank you.
00:58:59.100 okay that ends section two up next public safety and security okay fight crime to protect Canadians
00:59:08.400 and to build communities that are safe secure and strong drugs stolen cars and other illegal
00:59:16.440 substances out of our country we're gonna invest in our borders and that means hiring more border
00:59:21.600 officers. Resources are in short supply, not enough stuff. This is not the nice way to treat
00:59:29.400 people who come to our border. Okay, same format, one-on-one questions and then open debate. Monsieur 0.54
00:59:37.540 Blanchet, you get to go first in this one. Public safety and security, for a lot of people, that
00:59:43.100 means the fentanyl crisis. I'd like to know what you could contribute to ending that crisis in this
00:59:48.640 country? The fentanyl crisis is a very serious issue, which is a bit less important in Quebec
00:59:54.180 than it is in British Columbia. I think the whole border thing is the real issue. Immigration is a
01:00:00.760 very important issue for Quebecers. Immigration has to be dealt with in an orderly fashion.
01:00:06.620 Our borders are not dealt with in an orderly fashion. The rules are not respected. The rules 1.00
01:00:12.680 are unclear. Some rules even invite people to hide for two weeks illegally before coming
01:00:18.780 out. Some things have to be done. The situation of one person asking for asylum may take as
01:00:26.440 much as four years without us reducing the number in order to deal with them in a human
01:00:33.720 way. The services for every citizen in Quebec are being reduced because we cannot afford
01:00:39.600 the fact that we are receiving much, much more people in Quebec 1.00
01:00:44.300 from this specific type of immigration than we can afford, 1.00
01:00:48.900 and we cannot teach them French. 1.00
01:00:50.640 That's time, M. Blanchet. 1.00
01:00:51.640 We can, of course, return to the immigration issue
01:00:53.680 during open debate, should you choose to.
01:00:55.900 Mr Carney, question for you.
01:00:57.200 The Liberal gun buyback policy,
01:01:00.160 not considered a success by many people.
01:01:02.880 Reviving it is in your platform.
01:01:04.820 Why would it work this time?
01:01:06.000 Yeah, I think, well, what we've seen with that policy
01:01:09.200 is some success at the commercial level but not at the individual level
01:01:13.840 because it hasn't been, in my opinion, it hasn't been organized properly
01:01:18.080 and it needs to be organized properly.
01:01:20.220 And I've instructed the Minister of National Security and Public Safety
01:01:24.740 in order to do that.
01:01:26.940 So part of this is a different focus of government,
01:01:30.300 a focus on results, a focus on clear milestones in the short term.
01:01:33.980 Let me make a broader point, though, and Gunn,
01:01:35.820 which is that we have a problem with guns coming over our borders,
01:01:41.240 which is why we've tightened our borders.
01:01:42.800 We have an issue, though, with a gun industry
01:01:45.280 that is continually coming up with new forms of assault rifles,
01:01:49.140 mass killing machines.
01:01:51.120 We've banned over 2,000 of these.
01:01:54.400 Every single time there has been a vote in the House of Commons on gun control,
01:01:59.340 Mr. Polyev has voted against it.
01:02:01.580 You can't be tough on crime.
01:02:02.860 If you've banned 2000 guns, then what else can you do back on that in the open state if you want to? 0.79
01:02:08.300 But my question for you in this segment is indigenous people are statistically overrepresented in our correction system.
01:02:14.760 Are you concerned that you're tough on crime platform will make that worse?
01:02:19.100 No, I'm concerned that indigenous people are disproportionately the victims of crime.
01:02:24.180 I give you the example of a wonderful group of indigenous people who came under attack in Saskatchewan.
01:02:31.320 and many of them were murdered.
01:02:34.280 The killer was out of jail after 60 prior convictions.
01:02:40.880 This is the result of 10 years of liberal laws
01:02:45.280 that allow the same offenders to be released
01:02:48.020 dozens and dozens of times,
01:02:50.060 even when it's known they are a danger.
01:02:52.540 We can't risk a fourth liberal term
01:02:55.200 of soft on crime policies.
01:02:57.780 We need a change. 0.78
01:02:58.600 and the Conservative plan for change will bring in a three-strikes-you're-out law,
01:03:03.620 three convictions for serious crimes.
01:03:05.440 You go to jail for at least 10 years, maybe for life, no chance of parole or bail.
01:03:10.700 We will bring in life sentences for traffickers of fentanyl, human beings, and guns,
01:03:16.340 and we will secure our borders to keep the illegal guns.
01:03:19.860 Thank you, Mr. Paliyev. That's time.
01:03:21.580 Mr. Singh, your question is about the RCMP,
01:03:24.380 because you've got RCMP reform in your platform.
01:03:27.320 What, in your view, is the problem with the RCMP?
01:03:30.760 Well, some of the basis for this is the concern that's been raised in more rural communities,
01:03:35.280 in northern communities, that there have been some serious concerns about violence
01:03:39.640 or inappropriate use of force when it comes to the execution of their duties.
01:03:45.160 We want to make sure that we've got a top-tier police force
01:03:48.640 that provides security and safety to those communities
01:03:51.720 in a way that's sensitive and understanding of the communities they're serving.
01:03:54.660 I also think what's very important is for Indigenous communities, Indigenous policing.
01:03:59.080 This is an area of deep concern.
01:04:00.880 I think everyone in our country should be safe.
01:04:03.580 You should be able to be safe at home, safe when you go to work, safe if you take public transit, safe for your kids to be able to play in the local playground.
01:04:11.480 And that's something I'm committed to.
01:04:13.060 And the other area that I'm focused on when it comes to public safety is making sure we prevent crime before it happens.
01:04:18.640 And that's why we want to see increased investments in our border security.
01:04:22.340 we saw under the conservatives they cut 1100 border officers in one day so that prevented
01:04:29.020 our ability to keep our borders safe that stops those materials that's time not sure it was about
01:04:33.820 the rcmp but maybe we can get back to that during the open debate segment uh which we go to right
01:04:38.640 now and mr poliev you get the first word on this one and it sort of dovetails on the last answer
01:04:42.880 you gave which is you have pledged to be the first prime minister in this country to use the
01:04:47.920 notwithstanding clause, setting aside charter rights of, as you call them, multiple murderers.
01:04:53.100 Why do you think that's necessary? To be clear, I want to uphold the charter rights of Canadians
01:04:58.060 under Section 7 to life, liberty, and security of the person. Right now, that right is violated
01:05:06.260 by multiple murderers who are given discounts. The case in question was a gentleman who went
01:05:12.520 into a mosque and shot dead six innocent worshippers. He got, according to this ruling,
01:05:18.740 only one 25-year sentence, meaning he could be out in his 50s. He only serves four years for every
01:05:25.540 murder that he carried out. That is outrageous. And I will use the constitutional powers that
01:05:32.400 are created for this purpose to ensure that mass murderers stay in maximum security penitentiary
01:05:38.560 for life they will only come out in a box we will also pass tough new laws that prevent repeat
01:05:45.120 offenders from getting out if you commit three offenses under the three strikes law i propose
01:05:49.040 you will not be allowed out of jail until you prove that you are drug free that you that you
01:05:55.300 are behaved perfectly and you've learned an employable you will only come out in a box
01:05:59.700 we cannot allow liberal crime and chaos to go on terrorizing our communities what we need is a real
01:06:06.320 plan for change so that we can bring back the safety and the security the Canadians used to
01:06:11.400 take for granted. Let me get Mr. Carney to respond to that. You think that's an appropriate
01:06:14.480 use of the notwithstanding clause of the Charter? I think that one of the core responsibilities of
01:06:20.380 the federal government, Prime Minister, is to defend the fundamental rights and liberties of
01:06:26.120 Canadians. And those fundamental rights and liberties of Canadians are outlined in our
01:06:31.520 Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is 43 years old literally today. I think it's a very dangerous
01:06:39.280 slope to override judgments of the Supreme Court of Canada. In fact, the Charter of Rights and
01:06:49.220 Freedoms exists to protect Canadians from people like us on the stage, politicians who may use
01:07:00.800 their power to override
01:07:03.000 fundamental rights. And the issue
01:07:04.640 in using by the federal government, I'll stop here,
01:07:07.940 is not
01:07:09.080 where you start, but where will you
01:07:10.940 stop? Mr. Pauly, I should
01:07:13.060 get Mr. Paulyev on that. I can't even
01:07:14.960 believe he said that. I must say, I would
01:07:16.980 be quite interested too, because
01:07:18.960 Mr. Carney said that he didn't want us
01:07:21.040 to use a notwithstanding clause
01:07:22.840 before
01:07:24.880 adopting
01:07:27.220 a law. And yesterday he
01:07:29.080 said that he felt that it was wrong to use the notwithstanding clause after a law is adopted.
01:07:37.600 So if we cannot use it before and we cannot use it after, it means that Mr. Calmey believes
01:07:43.220 that we should never use it. But it is very important. And the Ford case made it clear.
01:07:50.580 The Constitution says how it should be used, but never how or what we will do with it because it's the prerogative of the provinces.
01:08:02.260 So do you want the Supreme Court to overrule another judgment of the same Supreme Court because you don't like it?
01:08:11.360 Because that would be being the hell of a politician as you define them.
01:08:15.040 Well, let me just start by saying, first of all, yeah, thank you.
01:08:18.060 I just started by saying, let's not let Mr. Polyev get away with making this ludicrous claim that anyone on this stage thinks that violent crime should get a less severe penalty.
01:08:29.300 Obviously, that is not a special position that he's taking.
01:08:32.300 Everyone agrees that horrible crimes should have horrible sentences.
01:08:36.880 Judges are equipped to do that, so don't let Mr. Polyev's rhetoric confuse people.
01:08:42.140 Obviously, everyone agrees that if someone does something horrible,
01:08:44.560 they should pay a horrible price for it.
01:08:46.380 There should be an appropriate sentence that's put in place by a judge.
01:08:49.840 What I'm concerned about is all of what Mr. Pauly was talking about is after the fact.
01:08:54.520 Now, there's heinous things that happen, and there needs to be severe penalties put in place.
01:08:59.060 But we also need to keep communities safe.
01:09:00.720 And that's what my focus is.
01:09:02.460 Well, how do we stop crime before it happens?
01:09:04.800 Much of the violent crime that's committed is committed by illegal handguns and firearms
01:09:09.620 that come across the border.
01:09:11.220 Now, Mr. Polyev has admitted that as well, that it is illegal handguns and illegal weapons that are used in violent crime.
01:09:17.240 So our plan is let's stop those illegal weapons getting into our country in the first place.
01:09:22.620 And the way we do that is by having stronger border security officers and having more people on the border.
01:09:27.780 Mr. Pierre Polyev, when he was in power in the Conservatives, they cut the number of border officers.
01:09:33.080 This is unbelievable that these people live in pie in the skyland.
01:09:36.960 Let's get back to Mr. Poliev on the issue of whether in using the notwithstanding clause
01:09:41.440 under these circumstances would be a kind of a slippery slope and encourage politicians to use
01:09:45.940 it more. No, we will use it to protect the charter rights of law abiding Canadians. I'm interested
01:09:52.900 in the rights of victims. Mr. Carney seems to be very interested in the rights of criminals.
01:09:59.260 He says that it's dangerous for me to ensure that mass murderers stay behind bars for life. You
01:10:06.400 know what's dangerous turning them loose on our streets i don't think you appreciate sir the chaos
01:10:12.580 that is unfolding in communities in toronto right now the police have been forced to tell people
01:10:17.920 to just let people let the thief steal the car when they break into the house just take the keys
01:10:23.860 just let them take the keys so that you don't get hurt people are living in terror in many of our
01:10:30.020 communities precisely because of the catch-and-release bail law, C-75, which requires judges
01:10:36.420 release the accused at the earliest opportunity under the least onerous conditions.
01:10:42.800 Every single member of your Liberal caucus and your Liberal cabinet voted in favour of
01:10:48.840 this bill, and they are all determined to keep it in place despite constant promises
01:10:54.140 to the contrary.
01:10:54.900 Mr. Carney, Canadians deserve to live in peace and security.
01:11:00.220 That is the right that I'm fighting for, for a change.
01:11:03.480 I'm fighting for that as well.
01:11:05.760 And let me be specific about two things that have been raised.
01:11:08.740 The first is with respect to these issues of car theft, home invasion,
01:11:14.840 and I'll use the GTA area where there has been a sharp increase.
01:11:21.020 How do you attack that?
01:11:22.420 You attack it several ways.
01:11:23.560 One, you increase the criminal penalties for that happening, particularly if you're part of a gang, particularly if you use a firearm.
01:11:32.580 And you will do that?
01:11:33.360 And we're doing so. We've committed to doing so.
01:11:35.560 You put in place a reverse onus in terms of bail so that it has to be proven that there's not a risk, which we've also committed to.
01:11:42.740 And then you go to what Mr. Singh was talking about, which is we have to reinforce our frontiers.
01:11:48.340 That's why we're committing to an extra thousand Canada Border Service agents, an extra thousand RCMPs.
01:11:54.940 That's why, as part of the broader fentanyl initiative, where we've added to the RCMP there, we've added drones, we're adding helicopters, we're adding surveillance, and we're going to the other end of the chain with respect to Carthap, which is tightening security at the ports.
01:12:11.540 But heaven forbid we should keep these criminals in prison.
01:12:14.000 get results. You need to focus where at both ends of the chains. Thank you very much. I want to talk
01:12:19.740 about one of the issues that has come up is the idea of the public safety concerns around the
01:12:25.060 overdose crisis and how this is devastating our communities. We're seeing so many lives being
01:12:31.080 lost. In that, we know that one of the ways to address that is by investing in some of the
01:12:36.400 solutions like mental health services and rehabilitation services. Services keep our
01:12:40.740 communities safe, having access to those good services. Both Mr. Carney and Mr. Polyev are
01:12:46.300 proposing cutting government spending and cutting those services. That's not going to make our
01:12:50.200 communities safer. We need to see better investments in rehabilitation services,
01:12:54.100 more investments in mental health. We need to respond to this serious crisis in our country
01:12:59.340 with care and compassion. I've met with Mom Stop the Harm, an organization of moms that have lost
01:13:05.240 their children to this opioid overdose crisis. They've literally had their children have died
01:13:10.280 because of this and they say they're saying we need to do everything possible to save lives
01:13:14.680 to stop uh this death from happening and i think we need to listen to those moms and that's my
01:13:19.360 commitment mr blanchet two things as rapidly as possible first we believe that we should act on
01:13:25.160 crime gangs and organizations defining them as we do for terrorist organization we have to protect
01:13:32.740 our kids from the violence of those gang from the drugs being sold by those gang from the
01:13:39.060 Their guns and whatever else being sold.
01:13:47.460 Sailed.
01:13:48.900 Being sold.
01:13:50.860 Sold.
01:13:52.340 Not sold.
01:13:53.540 Being, you know, purchased a thing.
01:13:55.820 Sold.
01:13:56.400 Selling.
01:13:57.120 Sold.
01:13:57.540 Sold.
01:13:57.900 Sold by those gangs.
01:13:59.500 And we mostly have to protect our kids from being recruited by those gangs,
01:14:03.960 becoming violent at 13 and 14 and 16 years old
01:14:09.240 because this is the real fear of parents like I am.
01:14:13.540 This is a very dangerous situation. 1.00
01:14:15.360 I want to come back to immigration 1.00
01:14:16.600 because we said that we would come back to immigration.
01:14:19.060 Do you remember the Century Initiative, a sad memory?
01:14:22.860 Here we go.
01:14:24.360 They said that they had not considered Quebec difference.
01:14:27.740 They had not considered Quebec language.
01:14:29.360 They wanted Canada to be 100 million people
01:14:33.320 country by the end of the century, Mr. Barton told myself, told me himself, that he had not even
01:14:41.660 thought about the Quebec difference in that analysis. And one of his closest collaborators
01:14:47.100 is now a close councillor to Mr. Carney, which seems to be part of that kind of project or
01:14:53.660 ideology. So it is impossible for Canada to have all those people coming to Canada. It is impossible 0.92
01:15:00.400 for quebec to receive all those people and in quebec we have the language and values and
01:15:05.680 secularity of the state issue which is very important so i say pause pause pause let's do
01:15:13.200 things properly let's receive migrants in an orderly fashion and successfully as a measure
01:15:20.320 of respect for them also mr polia if you wanted a word i speak to families all the time who are
01:15:26.320 terrified by the scourge of drugs and illegal guns and we know those guns are not grandpa joe's
01:15:32.640 hunting rifle so when the liberals try to ban hunting rifles they're really going after the
01:15:38.160 wrong people 90 of guns that come in that are used in crime are smuggled illegally over the 0.77
01:15:44.400 porous liberal run borders that's why shut up jackie shut up actually if i could the police
01:15:53.360 actually endorsed me, the police in Barrie, in Peel, in Sault Ste. Marie have all endorsed me 0.97
01:16:00.480 because they know that I will go after the gun smugglers and criminals with 2,000 extra border,
01:16:05.840 frontline border guards that will stop the guns from coming in. But unlike the Liberals and NDP,
01:16:11.420 I will not ban hunting rifles. The Liberals want to protect, I want to protect Canadians from 0.96
01:16:16.540 criminals. The Liberals want to protect turkeys from hunting. I think we know which one makes
01:16:21.280 Mr. Carney, quick intervention, Mr. Carney,
01:16:22.920 and then I've got a question for each of you before this segment's out.
01:16:25.020 Okay.
01:16:26.320 We absolutely fully support hunting rights of hunters and indigenous Canadians.
01:16:32.380 But I want to raise an issue, which is a serious issue, talking about safety.
01:16:36.180 There are people, we're in Montreal, in Toronto, across this country,
01:16:40.780 who fear going to their synagogue, fear going to their community centre,
01:16:46.060 fear taking their children, leaving their children's school.
01:16:49.300 And this has to stop.
01:16:51.280 This is totally unacceptable.
01:16:53.400 So what we're proposing is to make it a criminal offence
01:16:56.920 to threaten or to impede anyone from being near or going
01:17:02.360 to their place of worship, their school, their community centre.
01:17:06.140 This, it pains me that when we have to do it.
01:17:08.880 It's already against the law, but...
01:17:10.540 Because this is not what we should be doing as Canadians, unfortunately.
01:17:13.920 Like, threatening is a crime.
01:17:17.400 Let me get 10 seconds from each of you before this segment's out
01:17:21.040 on what you perceive to be the biggest security threat to Canada right now.
01:17:25.900 Ten seconds each, Mr. Polyev.
01:17:28.540 The physical security threat to our country is the rampant crime wave
01:17:32.960 that is running out of control.
01:17:35.360 After the last decade, we had a 116% increase in gun crime.
01:17:40.700 We need to lock up the criminals and secure the borders. 0.52
01:17:42.080 I've got to hold you to ten seconds. Mr. Carney?
01:17:44.280 Well, we're in a security section.
01:17:46.800 I think we didn't have a chance to talk about anything internationally.
01:17:49.440 I think the biggest security threat to Canada is China. 0.68
01:17:52.640 China, you say? 1.00
01:17:53.420 Yeah.
01:17:53.700 Mr. Singh.
01:17:54.480 Biggest free threat, illegal guns and drugs coming across the border,
01:17:58.580 and cuts to services that would make our public safety and security even worse.
01:18:02.860 Last word to Mr. Blanchet.
01:18:04.360 The fact that...
01:18:05.760 What? He's lying.
01:18:07.040 ...is able to protect itself, and that we are still dependent
01:18:10.000 and entirely dependent on Americans to protect us.
01:18:14.860 Okay. That is the end of that section, gentlemen.
01:18:16.980 Up next, energy and climate.
01:18:20.380 Oh, here we go with the climate change.
01:18:23.060 Getting things filled.
01:18:24.780 Unleashing production.
01:18:26.020 We are unlocking major infrastructure projects, including in conventional.
01:18:31.540 Okay, guys, I'm only going to be able to carry this to about quarter to the hour.
01:18:36.460 So another half hour.
01:18:37.580 And then I have to go.
01:18:38.900 We've got a show tonight at 8 o'clock featuring the BC Strong folks, James Davidson, Dr. Stephen Malthouse, Dr. Charles Hoff.
01:18:46.760 We're going to talk about the problems they're having in British Columbia.
01:18:49.040 OK, so another half hour. Then I got to jump out of this and we'll jump back in with the regular show starting at the regular time.
01:18:55.380 Here we go.
01:18:55.900 Build new pipelines to get our oil and gas to market.
01:18:59.520 Well, it's not an approach I favor with public money.
01:19:02.260 There's not any projects that are on the table, so it's not a specific project to look at.
01:19:06.220 I favor when it comes to the environment building and east west energy grid that connects low cost energy and allows for families to reduce their electricity costs.
01:19:15.780 But let's put this all in context.
01:19:17.680 We're talking about what our energy solutions are in the context of a climate crisis.
01:19:22.640 And we're not just talking about a climate crisis in the far future.
01:19:25.800 We're living it right now.
01:19:27.920 I remember I met a mom a couple of years ago before I had kids who told me she was worried about taking her kids out on some days because of the forest fires in B.C.
01:19:36.040 It meant that it was unsafe for kids to go outdoors.
01:19:38.520 Fast forward to when I became a parent just a couple of years after that.
01:19:41.560 And I literally worry about the same thing.
01:19:43.260 the forest fires we saw a couple years ago meant that many places that didn't see this before saw
01:19:48.680 days where there was such smoke in the air that it was dangerous for kids. We've seen extreme
01:19:54.740 weather, forest fires, heat domes, floods impacting us. We've got to do everything we can to protect
01:20:00.660 our future. Thank you, Mr. Singh. That's time. Mr. Polyev, where does fighting climate change
01:20:04.140 land on your list of priorities when it comes to expanding energy opportunities in this country?
01:20:09.140 It lands within our priorities of bringing home jobs while bringing down emissions around the world.
01:20:16.900 Look, the reality is that if we push production out of our country to more polluting countries,
01:20:23.120 it actually makes the problem worse.
01:20:25.160 But that has been exactly the liberal approach with the anti-development law of C-69,
01:20:30.320 blocking of 15 LNG export plants over the last 10 years.
01:20:36.360 we have seen more of those jobs go abroad. I want to bring them home. My plan will be to approve,
01:20:43.320 for example, natural gas liquefaction and export. If we sent our gas to India, for example,
01:20:49.640 to displace half of their demand for electricity, we could reduce emissions by 2.5 billion tons,
01:20:58.340 which is three times the total emissions of Canada. That's the way we bring emissions down
01:21:05.040 and jobs up. It's common sense, and now it's time to bring it home.
01:21:10.680 Thank you, Mr. Poliev. The next question is for Mr. Carney. How would your government
01:21:14.920 fast-track pipelines and mining projects while also following the Supreme Court decision that
01:21:21.220 requires consent of indigenous communities? Well, I think the first thing, and this goes
01:21:26.280 back a bit to where we started, which is recognizing that we are in a crisis. We need to act with
01:21:32.240 maximum force and having a process and a consultation but a consultation with a purpose
01:21:39.980 which is to identify those projects those investments of national interest that are
01:21:46.220 really going to move the dial in terms of growth jobs energy security well-being consistent with
01:21:53.300 long-term competitiveness which necessarily means lower carbon and so part of that process
01:21:58.140 is ensuring that First Nations,
01:22:00.540 Indigenous peoples,
01:22:01.380 are there from the start.
01:22:03.020 It also includes their ability
01:22:05.260 to participate fully in those projects.
01:22:08.080 And that's why,
01:22:08.800 and I know I can tell,
01:22:10.920 you've got to tell
01:22:11.620 on when I've gone on too long,
01:22:12.780 so I'll finish up,
01:22:14.020 which is that's why we're doubling,
01:22:16.700 our proposal is to double
01:22:17.800 the Indigenous Loan Guarantee Program
01:22:19.700 to $10 billion.
01:22:20.640 What does that actually mean?
01:22:22.060 It means an ability for them
01:22:23.440 to invest equity in those projects
01:22:25.800 and be full partners.
01:22:27.040 Thank you.
01:22:27.160 My tell is my clock, and my clock is at zero, so that's how it goes.
01:22:30.580 Monsieur Blanchet, do you still oppose pipeline construction in Quebec,
01:22:33.880 even though a majority of Quebecers now apparently say they support it?
01:22:37.720 We will know about that when we have held a debate about that, which has not begun yet.
01:22:42.740 We are just bigotting it.
01:22:44.700 First, we are hearing very creative numbers, and we are being fed nonsense.
01:22:50.820 And we will be back to it in a few minutes.
01:22:52.720 But energy, trade, commerce is from south to north or north to south.
01:23:01.420 And it's true in Quebec also.
01:23:03.580 In a little more than three years, Donald Trump won't be in office.
01:23:07.960 And there will be not one more pipeline having been built once we get there.
01:23:16.420 So let's be serious, responsible, and we will be back with the numbers.
01:23:21.780 We don't want to pay in Quebec for such monstruosities, which will provide us with nothing.
01:23:30.760 We now move to open debate, and you all will get a chance, or have had a chance, to get the first shot at this.
01:23:36.080 Monsieur Blanchet, it is your turn to get the first shot.
01:23:39.460 Canada has a substantial supply of critical minerals, which are in high demand.
01:23:43.420 Are you in favour of allowing these minerals to be mined?
01:23:47.800 Of course. It has to be done properly.
01:23:50.580 Quebec has probably the most important clean phosphate reserves in North America.
01:23:57.560 In Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean, it is very important.
01:24:00.240 It has to be exploited.
01:24:01.820 This is the best way to use Paul Saguenay as an infrastructure that we need.
01:24:06.780 We have lithium.
01:24:07.620 Everybody needs lithium.
01:24:09.020 Transportation has to be taken from oil to clean energy.
01:24:14.800 This is what we want to be working on.
01:24:16.920 And it is part of the specifics of Quebec economy, so we are in favour of that.
01:24:25.160 But we don't want to pay for the 30 billions of dollars which have been spent on oil and
01:24:31.300 gas by the Liberals last year.
01:24:33.380 It's 7 billions of dollars from Quebec.
01:24:36.300 We don't want to pay for the 40 billions of dollars which have been spent by the Liberals
01:24:41.540 on Trans Mountain.
01:24:42.920 It's 9 billions of dollars from Quebec.
01:24:45.400 Those are 16 billions of dollars, of which not one dollar has been spent in Quebec to
01:24:52.420 develop a lot more power and wealth for Quebecers with our own money.
01:24:59.720 We need to let the leader of the Liberals respond.
01:25:02.160 Well, actually, I was going to pick up on the enormous opportunity that exists in Quebec,
01:25:08.580 exists in Ontario, exists in the north of Canada, really exists across this great nation
01:25:12.920 in terms of critical metals and minerals.
01:25:15.400 We are one of, have one of the biggest resources in this country.
01:25:18.960 And this is, it's not just enormous economic opportunity, it is a strategic opportunity
01:25:24.040 for Canada.
01:25:25.460 So we have to make a decision, not just to develop it, but how do we develop it and who
01:25:30.040 are our partners for it?
01:25:31.940 Do we become more dependent on the United States, which is what they want?
01:25:35.320 By the way, President Trump this week said he might put a tax on critical metals and minerals.
01:25:40.500 Just showing again, if I may.
01:25:43.480 And so the discussion is to negotiate.
01:25:45.400 If I may finish.
01:25:47.320 Let's let him finish.
01:25:47.960 Let me finish.
01:25:49.320 So the opportunity includes in Europe and includes in Asia as our partners.
01:25:53.780 Last point.
01:25:54.840 In order to get it done, in order to get it done, we'll put in place a first and last mile fund.
01:25:59.120 So these projects are connected to road and rail so they can go quickly to market.
01:26:04.060 And we will have all of the other fast-tracking measures in place that I talked about earlier in terms of capital, timing, approvals,
01:26:10.600 so that we can move quickly, we can be stronger at home, better ways.
01:26:14.800 Mr. Singh has the floor of that.
01:26:17.120 We should absolutely take advantage of the fact that we've got incredible amounts of critical minerals in our country.
01:26:22.180 And the way we do that is with any energy project or any project of this nature,
01:26:26.000 make sure it's got the local community buy-in, it creates good jobs in communities,
01:26:29.860 make sure we are meeting all our environmental needs, and we work with Indigenous partnership.
01:26:34.380 And so I absolutely agree with that.
01:26:35.460 I want to build on something Mr. Blanchet mentioned about the investments that this country has made.
01:26:40.020 What I found very troubling is that the past number of years, the Liberal government record is one where we have spent the most subsidies compared to any other country in the G7 on subsidizing oil and gas.
01:26:54.580 These are highly profitable companies.
01:26:56.580 You voted for it.
01:26:56.800 I think that's the wrong thing to do.
01:26:58.260 We fought against it again and again.
01:27:00.020 No, you voted for it.
01:27:00.480 And then the Liberals have continued to do it.
01:27:02.740 And so my question really to Mr. Carney is, will you commit to ending oil and gas subsidies?
01:27:07.600 We should be using that to invest in people, not giving it to highly profitable oil and gas companies.
01:27:13.140 I promise Mr. Paulyev we'll come back and get that question answered.
01:27:17.680 Mr. Paulyev.
01:27:18.960 Well, Mr. Carney, you point out that Donald Trump has a wrongheaded idea of putting a tax on our mines and our industry.
01:27:28.580 And that is wrong.
01:27:30.240 But so do you.
01:27:31.140 You want to apply a massive industrial carbon tax on Canadian mines, Canadian steel mills, Canadian aluminum plants, Canadian oil and gas plants.
01:27:42.080 And your idea is to double the tax that Trump is applying by hitting them a second time.
01:27:47.760 This will do nothing for the environment.
01:27:49.680 It will actually ship our jobs south of the border just like President Trump wants.
01:27:56.200 My plan is to bring that production home here to Canada.
01:27:59.600 For example, I will give a tax credit to low-emitting Canadian industry like Quebec's aluminum, for example, or British Columbia's natural gas, so that we not only bring home the production, but we do it below global average levels of emissions so that we actually help the environment while bringing home the jobs for our people at the same time.
01:28:22.900 That is a sensible, pragmatic approach that puts us in charge of our economic destiny
01:28:28.880 so we can stand up to the Americans from a position of strength for a change.
01:28:33.060 Mr. Pony, we've got...
01:28:34.040 Hang on a second.
01:28:34.880 I want to give you a chance to speak to Mr. Singh's criticism about oil and gas subsidies
01:28:40.180 and Mr. Poliev's criticism about the industrial carbon tax.
01:28:43.720 Okay, I'm going to make three points.
01:28:46.180 I'll make four if you want me to respond to that, but I want to make three.
01:28:48.960 The first is that we answered, I answered this question last night,
01:28:53.600 but I think the puck had already dropped in the Canadians game,
01:28:55.740 so not everyone heard it.
01:28:56.780 Yes, and oil and gas subsidies. 0.93
01:28:58.600 That's why you need a new Democrat.
01:28:59.380 Secondly, I would have done it independently.
01:29:02.480 Secondly, recognizing that the biggest component of that
01:29:05.500 was the cost of building Keystone.
01:29:08.260 Keystone, which is the pipeline which has helped to increase oil exports
01:29:12.780 by 50% in this country.
01:29:15.720 That is an asset of the people of Canada.
01:29:19.040 We own it.
01:29:19.940 And the question of what to do is,
01:29:20.960 so it's not a subsidy that has disappeared,
01:29:22.600 it's actually an asset of Canada.
01:29:24.120 The third point, though,
01:29:25.080 in terms of where the oil and gas industry,
01:29:27.000 particularly the oil industry,
01:29:28.460 wants to and needs to go,
01:29:30.140 which is to become low carbon,
01:29:32.380 low carbon in the production and transportation of oil.
01:29:34.620 One of the big projects we need to move forward with
01:29:37.320 is carbon capture and storage,
01:29:38.820 the Pathways Project,
01:29:40.140 so that we have oil and gas that is competitive,
01:29:43.100 not just today,
01:29:44.740 10 years from now and 20 years from now as the world uses less we want to have more market share
01:29:49.220 we need to do that my government my government will move that but by definition a subsidy isn't
01:29:55.380 when we buy a pipeline i'm talking about subsidies that go to oil and gas companies
01:30:00.180 dependent separate from the country oil and gas companies that's what i'm talking about the figure
01:30:03.540 you quoted last night uh included the cost of the pipeline do you want to address the dollars
01:30:07.140 we're spending we got to stop spending sorry can we can we get you to address his point
01:30:10.100 how much will the industrial carbon tax add to the price of a car so the first
01:30:14.660 thing I want to say is we have I'm going to address the broader point well broader point
01:30:19.540 is in the entire absence of a climate plan from mr. Polia which by the way is going to put our
01:30:26.580 industry and our country at a disadvantage as we're looking for new trading partners guess what
01:30:32.660 most people want to deepen our partnership in Europe in Asia those countries care about whether
01:30:38.260 or not you've made progress second thing is we're designing a program so that the big polluters
01:30:44.340 pay canadians at home for making responsible climate choices for retrofitting their home
01:30:51.300 getting their emissions down or improving otherwise and that is smart climate policy
01:30:56.180 it's better for the big polluters and it's better for canadians mr carney didn't answer my question
01:31:02.660 i asked how much would the industrial carbon tax on canadian steel add to the price of a car he
01:31:09.540 He won't answer because he knows that it will be very expensive because there's lots of steel in cars.
01:31:14.920 Now, well, Mr. Carney has temporarily hid in the carbon casters thousands of dollars, thousands of dollars, extra costs.
01:31:23.200 When you add taxes to steel, you raise the price of everything that uses steel.
01:31:32.640 When you add the carbon tax onto the price of, for example, fertilizer, you increase the price of food.
01:31:44.100 So while Mr. Carney has temporarily hidden the liberal carbon tax at the pumps while keeping the tax fully in law and planning to raise it after the election,
01:31:52.960 he's also going after a tax on our industry that will ultimately be passed on to you.
01:31:58.140 After a lost Liberal decade of rising costs, we cannot afford a fourth Liberal term.
01:32:04.040 We need a new government that will fully axe the carbon tax,
01:32:08.720 increase the jobs that we have here in Canada, and bring down your cost of living.
01:32:12.660 We've got just a little over three minutes left in this segment.
01:32:14.800 So, Mr. Singh, I want to ask you, do you think climate change is still a priority from Canadians?
01:32:18.680 You're out there. What are you hearing?
01:32:20.620 Absolutely. You speak to any young person and they think,
01:32:24.500 we're seeing climate crisis in front of us happening right now.
01:32:28.140 I speak to seniors who say, you know, we used to be able to live in our homes without air conditioning,
01:32:32.240 and now we're seeing heat crises in communities that never had worries about extreme weather.
01:32:37.760 We're seeing flooding.
01:32:38.980 We're seeing forest fires like never before.
01:32:41.000 We're living in a climate crisis, so Canadians are absolutely worried about it.
01:32:44.500 As soon as we come into a summer, we start seeing those forest fires again.
01:32:48.160 It's top of mind for Canadians because they're living it.
01:32:50.400 They're seeing it.
01:32:51.280 And I want those Canadians to know, Mr. Carney is not going to end those fossil fuel subsidies unless I'm there to fight back.
01:32:57.300 Mr. Polyev wants to let big polluters pollute as much as they want,
01:33:00.580 poison our beautiful land, our water and air.
01:33:03.740 He wants to let them dump into our oceans.
01:33:06.320 I'm going to fight back and defend our environment.
01:33:07.940 Mr. Blanchet, on the issue of whether or not people still care about climate change.
01:33:11.440 I think people should be kept very informed about climate change
01:33:17.580 because we are in a very strange denial situation about climate change,
01:33:22.200 which still exists and is very expensive.
01:33:24.940 And I'm sorry to crash your party, guys,
01:33:27.300 But you are telling fairy tales.
01:33:30.660 Clean oil and gas is a fairy tale.
01:33:34.980 Large-scale carbon sequestration, sorry, I'm French, is a fairy tale.
01:33:41.620 It does not exist.
01:33:43.000 If Alberta wanted to exploit oil and gas and it were not a matter of pollution, I wouldn't mind at all.
01:33:51.400 That's their business.
01:33:52.460 our own powerhouse
01:33:55.000 in terms of energy in Quebec
01:33:56.460 is clean energy.
01:33:57.840 We are the best place in the world
01:34:00.180 to achieve that.
01:34:01.580 Our market is the northeastern part,
01:34:05.100 democrat part of the United States.
01:34:07.200 We want to keep our money
01:34:09.100 to create wealth in Quebec 0.99
01:34:12.160 for Quebecers. 0.99
01:34:13.800 Let us be different
01:34:15.020 because we can afford to be different.
01:34:16.820 Let me give...
01:34:17.820 I will get to you
01:34:19.100 because I said I would,
01:34:20.560 but you've taken a couple of hits here
01:34:22.380 and I want to give you a chance to respond to some of the things
01:34:24.420 the people on this side of the stage have said.
01:34:26.500 Thank you.
01:34:27.220 Well, first of all, we do support... 0.99
01:34:28.680 This is all a bunch of horse shit. 1.00
01:34:30.160 ...banning, we want to ban the dumping of raw sewage into our waters. 1.00
01:34:34.500 We want to hold large corporations to high environmental standards
01:34:38.480 to protect our water and air.
01:34:40.500 But we cannot do that by raising taxes and sending jobs overseas
01:34:45.300 as Mr. Carney is proposing to do.
01:34:47.560 That has been the approach of the last 10 years of the Liberal government.
01:34:51.620 What the biggest companies that develop our resources say is that we need to repeal the liberal anti-development law, C-69, a law Mr. Carney wants to keep in place.
01:35:02.700 They say we need to repeal the industrial carbon tax and get rid of the liberal energy cap.
01:35:07.840 We need six months' approval in order to take back energy security and energy sovereignty.
01:35:14.480 We can summarize that.
01:35:15.800 Mr. Carney, last word to Mr. Carney in a second, please.
01:35:19.540 Thank you very much.
01:35:20.140 You know, I was born in Fortsmouth in the Northwest Territories, just north of what the oil sands became.
01:35:26.660 When I was born and when I was growing up in Edmonton, early days, it was a fairy tale, quote unquote.
01:35:32.160 But you know what happened?
01:35:33.580 Canadian ingenuity, Canadian engineers, Canadian governments, both the federal government and the Alberta government got together and created, converted this.
01:35:40.380 The worst pollution in the world.
01:35:41.700 If I may.
01:35:42.120 The worst pollution.
01:35:42.780 May I finish?
01:35:43.420 May I finish?
01:35:44.380 Ten more seconds to finish, please.
01:35:46.200 Let him finish his point.
01:35:47.360 That's the opportunity we have.
01:35:48.900 That's the opportunity we have in carbon capture.
01:35:50.920 That's the opportunity we have in small modular reactors.
01:35:52.980 That's the opportunity we have in hundreds and beyond.
01:35:55.100 This country can be a clean energy superpower.
01:35:58.380 My government will help deliver it.
01:35:59.460 And that is time for this segment.
01:36:01.000 Gentlemen, let us go to our final theme, which is called leading in a crisis.
01:36:08.800 Canadians know how to weather a storm.
01:36:10.620 Canadians know how to get through a difficult time.
01:36:12.380 If, at the end of the day, we end up with the balance of power,
01:36:16.360 Quebec is safer than it could be in any other scenario.
01:36:20.340 Now is not a time for weakness.
01:36:22.320 Now is the time to take back control.
01:36:24.700 Canadians are always ready when someone else drops the gloves.
01:36:29.840 Okay, leading in a crisis is a pretty broad theme
01:36:32.300 that allows us to explore many different avenues here.
01:36:34.860 So let's get to it.
01:36:35.740 Mr. Carney, you get the first question this time.
01:36:37.900 We haven't balanced a budget in this country in 17 years,
01:36:41.220 and 10 of those years were under your party.
01:36:43.160 you have pledged to get us to a balanced budget in three years question is how harper's last budget
01:36:50.340 was balanced let me let me put this in the context of leading in a crisis which is in a crisis you
01:36:56.200 got to plan for the worst worst is that the u.s actually does want to take us over secondly you
01:37:00.640 got to have a plan um plan to build and i'll include a fiscal plan and i will get to that in
01:37:04.900 a second the third thing is you need to respond in a crisis with overwhelming force you need to
01:37:10.980 think big. You need to move rapidly. The things we've been discussing today are a subset of what
01:37:16.540 we can and should do as a nation and we can deliver. And government can play a role, but its
01:37:23.020 role has to be catalytic. And so our approach is that we will slow the rate of spending. It's been
01:37:29.580 growing at 9% a year, operational spending, program spending, away from transfers, away from transfers
01:37:34.880 9% a year. We'll slow that to 2%. We will focus on a small amount of capital spending by the
01:37:42.940 federal government in order to drive enormous private investment up to half a trillion dollars
01:37:49.160 by five years. Thank you, Mr. Carney. Ukraine surely constitutes a crisis leading in a time
01:37:55.760 of crisis. Why are they talking about Ukraine? If the United States withholds support from Ukraine
01:38:00.680 going forward. Do you believe Canada should commit more to assist? I believe we should continue to
01:38:05.560 support Ukraine. Our party supported donating missiles that the Canadian military was 0.94
01:38:13.240 decommissioning. We supported funds and other armaments to back the Ukrainians in the defense
01:38:18.500 of their sovereignty. We also need to rebuild our own Canadian military because the Russians 0.93
01:38:24.460 want to make incursions into our waters. We'll be buying four massive Arctic icebreakers. I'll
01:38:31.160 be opening the first Arctic base since the Cold War in Canada, CFB Iqaluit. We're going to double
01:38:38.240 the size of the Arctic Rangers and fill the vacancies in our Canadian armed forces. We need
01:38:44.440 a change to rebuild our military, which has been so disintegrated under the cuts and the mismanagement
01:38:50.920 of the last 10 years but we can have a change because we have the best soldiers sailors and
01:38:57.380 airmen in the world and they will have full backing from my government if you give me the
01:39:02.320 honor of becoming prime minister i may come back to that one in the open forum because i'm not sure
01:39:06.560 we got an answer about ukraine on that one but okay well going on mr blanchard the answer was yes
01:39:12.020 we'll get more details perhaps as we go forward mr blanchard given the u.s trade war should any
01:39:18.500 talk of a referendum on quebec independence be put on pause that one is easy it will happen only
01:39:25.620 after the negotiation is over and that's a good thing i want to say i support the idea we must 0.96
01:39:32.180 help ukraine but we also must help the civilians of gasa and we must destroy hamas which is a 0.86
01:39:39.700 terrorist organization you know what i don't want to be the leader of canada you will understand
01:39:46.260 that i don't want to be prime minister but i can offer to be a partner a responsible partner a
01:39:52.740 collaborative partner if quebec is respected in its differences in its aluminum industry and
01:40:00.580 lumberwood industry and culture and french language and values of secularity of the state
01:40:06.740 which is the price to be paid in order to have real equality then if we are respected we will
01:40:13.380 be a partner and then even canada will be stronger in its negotiation against donald trump this is
01:40:21.380 what i am offering respect us mr singh i watched last night's debate you seem very eager to talk
01:40:28.740 about health care so let's talk a little more health care right now you have health care is
01:40:32.900 not a federal responsibility if a province says to you we'll take your money for health care
01:40:38.980 but not your conditions on how to spend it what do you do we've got to negotiate we can't be giving
01:40:45.320 away money without clear conditions we're in a health care crisis right now and a crisis you're
01:40:51.460 not giving any money away you are people are waiting desperately in line and giving each
01:40:58.160 province what is promised constitutionally for health care years and years to get the care that
01:41:04.420 they need for surgeries that would remove pain or help them deal with mobility issues we're in a
01:41:09.940 serious crisis health care workers are burnt out this whole debate's a farce you guys it's a farce
01:41:15.900 is more and more privatization and that is hurting our public universal health care system so we've
01:41:21.060 got to fight back against it we cannot allow our public money to go to a for-profit private clinic
01:41:27.760 lining the pockets of a rich ceo or investors instead of going towards care we need to make
01:41:33.360 sure that we are investing in solutions where care gets to people not profiting those at the
01:41:39.360 very top and so that's my commitment that's not your responsibility threats of americanization
01:41:44.800 and privacy okay we now go to open forum debate and perhaps mr polyev you get the first word here
01:41:49.340 this might be a good time to put a little more flesh on the bone of what you think canada could
01:41:53.640 do for ukraine yes the u.s backs out yes and what i my answer is that we should continue to support
01:41:58.620 ukraine we don't need to follow the americans and everything they do when they're wrong
01:42:01.960 then we will stand on our own and with other allies.
01:42:05.700 And with respect to Ukraine, that, of course, includes support with intelligence, equipment, armaments.
01:42:13.260 But it also includes defunding Putin.
01:42:16.280 Right now, Vladimir Putin has a monopoly on the European energy market
01:42:20.060 because, frankly, the Liberals blocked exports of Canadian natural gas off the Atlantic coast.
01:42:27.440 They blocked multiple projects.
01:42:29.360 I would rapidly approve those projects on national security grounds so that we can actually ship Canadian natural gas over to Europe, break European dependence on Putin,
01:42:43.500 defeat it in the war, and turn dollars for dictators back into paychecks for our people.
01:42:48.840 Mr. Carney, you wanted to add?
01:42:50.080 Well, I want to go to the situation in Ukraine because it's very important.
01:42:53.660 We've been a steadfast, Canada has been a steadfast ally, and Canadians have stepped up, welcoming Ukrainians into their homes and supporting them in other ways.
01:43:03.380 You know, in my first month as Prime Minister, we joined the Coalition of the Willing to support Ukraine as the U.S. stepped back.
01:43:10.280 So led by France, the United Kingdom, with Ukraine number, European nations, Australia or South New Zealand.
01:43:16.320 The Coalition of the Willing? 0.94
01:43:17.940 an example of how the new world is going to be. Canada participating in these areas and helping.
01:43:24.100 It also means open trade. Mr. Poliev voted against free trade agreement with Ukraine.
01:43:29.760 It means aid for Ukraine. Mr. Poliev wants to cut foreign aid, including for Ukraine, or not.
01:43:35.120 He didn't mention support for aid for Ukraine. We have to stand by them. We have to be there, 0.99
01:43:40.760 and this government has been. Mr. Singh. New Democrats absolutely support standing with
01:43:44.700 in Ukraine and will continue to do that. But I appreciate the opportunity in talking about
01:43:48.860 leadership in crisis, talk about many of the crises that we're up against. And one of the
01:43:53.060 crises we're up against in our country with the threat of Donald Trump, with the threat of the
01:43:57.320 trade war and with the privatization and Americanization of our health care system is the
01:44:02.620 health care system. And what we have learned today, you know, Mr. Carney mentioned slowing
01:44:07.100 operation spending. That's a cut to services. He said his plan, he has a plan to balance the
01:44:12.760 operating budget within three years that's going to require massive cuts to spending we calculated
01:44:17.780 that at 43 billion dollars in cuts in fact rosemary barton when he was on the show on february 16th
01:44:23.380 he said it would cut spending he said it would be in operations he defined it as transfers in health
01:44:29.000 and finally longtime liberal and former house leader karina gould said that mr carney's plans
01:44:35.260 would mean massive cuts that's the only way to achieve it so mr carney do you think it is
01:44:41.000 leadership to cut health care at a time when it is in crisis. I think it is wrong. We can't do that.
01:44:47.740 We will not cut transfers for health care. We will not cut health care spending full stop.
01:44:52.500 Who do we believe, Mr. Carney today or the one he spoke at on Rosemary Barton's show on February 16th, the one that repeated again that he would cut spending?
01:45:02.020 Who do we believe?
01:45:02.760 If I may, consistently said we will preserve all transfers to the provinces, including the increases.
01:45:08.720 We will preserve all the transfers to individuals, I won't detail them all, but they're...
01:45:13.380 So we're looking at addressing an operational spend, which is about $150 billion.
01:45:19.340 We will address that, we will make it more efficient, and we will do it in three years, and we'll balance that budget.
01:45:23.880 I am six minutes behind Mr Carney, so I will speak a little bit longer.
01:45:28.980 First, I will support any initiative which will bring Canada
01:45:33.940 aligned with Europe and NATO in order to be stronger and facing new...
01:45:39.880 All right, that's fine. That's good. That's enough. That's enough.
01:45:44.800 This last 10 minutes has devolved into nothing but a bunch of BS
01:45:49.360 talking about Ukraine and climate change, and we know better than that.
01:45:55.100 the sad thing is that poliev gets dragged into this and he has to play their game or he's vilified
01:46:03.400 by all of the left-wing corporate media you saw that video that i played at the beginning of this
01:46:07.760 show tonight this special show where the cbc journalists were absolutely appalled that the
01:46:13.380 independent media were allowed into the french debates last night and they will be allowed in
01:46:18.080 again tonight to ask questions those people rosemary barton said so if you try to say hey
01:46:25.660 climate change is just a bunch of bs or we're not going to support ukraine they will be all over you
01:46:33.140 they will eviscerate and what is what does that mean for your chances of ever becoming prime 0.74
01:46:42.240 minister ever winning the federal government nothing so he's got to play that game and it
01:46:47.200 sucks we need to find a way to change that narrative we need to find a way to change
01:46:53.260 the zeitgeist of this country somehow because there is a huge huge ideological divide right now 0.93
01:47:02.480 and when conservatives have to play that bs game that just enrages me no end okay guys i'm going
01:47:10.660 to sign off for now this special show you can go ahead and keep watching the debate on cpac if you
01:47:16.240 want or wherever else i'm coming back in 15 minutes with bc strong's james davidson marcella
01:47:23.680 de jarles dr stephen malthouse and dr charles hoff to talk about the issues that are going on
01:47:29.280 in bc right now and they're very authoritarian they are very very bad so i'll catch you in 15
01:47:36.600 minutes i hope you enjoyed what you were watching and i have no idea who won this thing but i don't
01:47:43.920 think that Polyev landed the knockout blow he needed to land. Okay, back soon. Talk to you in a bit.
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