The Shadoe Davis Show - Aug. 8th⧸2024- Public Meeting for Winnipeg's 15 Min City Postponed, New footage of Trump shooter

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00:03:30.000 it was mayhem mayhem i tell you in niverville has anybody actually ever said that before

00:03:54.640 there's mayhem in neverville i remember the old tv commercials for neverville when they were trying

00:04:00.720 to recruit people to come and live in neverville from winnipeg it's a nice bedroom community but

00:04:05.940 the the cell line was neverville a nice place to live that's what it was nice simple easy to

00:04:13.320 remember neverville i remember it 30 years later neverville a nice place to live well that's where

00:04:20.080 the meeting was supposed to be today for winnipeg 2050 this regional planning nightmare it is a 15

00:04:26.840 minute city let's let's be honest even though they're calling it a complete city in the city

00:04:32.020 of winnipeg brandon they call theirs a healthy city we'll bring that up a little bit later on

00:04:37.480 calgary calls theirs their own thing edmonton same thing vancouver same thing this is happening with

00:04:42.980 great speed all across the country and as a matter of fact i would suggest with great coordination

00:04:47.820 as the Trudeau government gets set to depart office in just over a year

00:04:52.460 fingers crossed

00:04:53.880 they want to make sure they get their plans in before they leave

00:04:57.600 at least that's my opinion on the matter

00:04:59.360 and we can talk more about that later

00:05:00.760 our guests tonight include

00:05:02.060 Marty Gold of the Great Canadian Talk Show

00:05:04.980 you can find that at actionline.ca

00:05:06.900 Manitoba advocate and former school trustee Christine Ronsere

00:05:11.180 and Ken Lee, local businessman who was on the show last night

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00:06:30.220 CanadaNanoSilver.ca. Now, Kev, I want to thank you. I know you're watching right now, Kevin and Anna,

00:06:34.320 And I want to thank you for sending video to me today as the meeting in Neverville was about to begin.

00:06:40.320 And remember, this is the second, was supposed to be the second of two meetings that the regional group,

00:06:50.280 the Winnipeg Metropolitan Region group, was to put on for public consultation.

00:06:55.880 Now, today's meeting didn't happen.

00:06:57.340 we have video for you which is provided by our friend Cheryl Zimmer who is at

00:07:03.020 all of these kinds of events taking pictures and video thank you very much

00:07:06.700 for providing this Cheryl and here's what it looked like today and this is

00:07:10.540 this is the board here and people were not being let in there was a capacity

00:07:15.400 problem apparently too many people showed up so let's go through this video

00:07:19.340 and see what happens

00:07:22.340 Wow, if they leave and don't do this, it's going to start a big, huge riot.

00:07:34.340 Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to get your attention, please.

00:07:37.340 Obviously, we have a much larger crowd than what this facility can accommodate.

00:07:43.340 We have a couple hundred people outside.

00:07:46.340 If you'd be quiet, people could hear.

00:07:53.780 Therefore, we have too many people that this facility cannot accommodate.

00:07:59.580 And we think it's very important that everybody, everybody gets to be heard.

00:08:04.660 Therefore, we will not be going today.

00:08:07.680 We will reschedule.

00:08:09.180 There has to be a 40-day notice.

00:08:11.120 And we're going to get a larger facility so that everybody can participate

00:08:14.640 and everybody can be heard.

00:08:16.280 It's not fair to the people out there

00:08:17.860 that they can't be inside.

00:08:31.080 Wow.

00:08:44.640 Okay, now I want you guys to understand that it didn't get ugly or violent or anything like that.

00:09:08.160 Contrary to what the left-wing corporate media locally may be telling you,

00:09:12.100 even now in their tv news reports and in articles in the newspapers tomorrow so let's bring on ken

00:09:18.740 lee who was on the show last night ken was at the meeting today and marty gold uh intrepid reporter

00:09:25.540 with actionline.ca and christine ronceray was uh at the meeting as well today christine you

00:09:30.900 guys know she's been on the show before let's start with you marty um what exactly happened

00:09:36.660 there today um i've seen that video for the first time but i have a podcast coming out tonight with

00:09:44.620 some of that audio that announcement um i think it's significant that something so important to

00:09:52.680 everybody who has owns property investment capital you know raise the family in this region

00:10:00.260 the way there's been no information provided that was the concern of a lot of the people in that

00:10:05.580 room that they weren't getting information from the the i mean you can't even say the government

00:10:11.040 because they're somehow not the government even though every one of them's got something to do

00:10:15.100 with the government when you saw that announcement made on my podcast tonight later night you'll hear

00:10:20.680 the inside story of what led up to an announcement even being made um it was it i was interested to

00:10:27.660 hear the term uh you know you know that that person said it could cause a riot the interview

00:10:33.260 i did with a couple of people that were there we stopped short of that but there definitely could

00:10:37.680 have been you know some kind of brawl could have broken out because people were justifiably upset

00:10:42.840 and felt they were being frozen out of the process but it was there was i have looked at some of the

00:10:49.020 a little bit of mainstream coverage there were incidents incidents absolutely false the rcmp

00:10:55.360 told stein back online they had no complaints it's right there in black and white for everybody to

00:11:00.500 read there's a misinformation being spread that there was groups that were somehow behind these

00:11:08.440 these disturbances i saw no evidence of any organized group or organization there's no

00:11:14.000 organized chanting no placards no it's like just you want to talk about conspiracy theories anybody

00:11:20.800 who doesn't look at that is genuine legitimate concerned tax-paying human beings in manitoba

00:11:26.120 worrying about their future and the security of their possessions

00:11:29.880 and what their families have worked hard for.

00:11:33.620 Anybody who attributes that as some sort of radicalism,

00:11:36.220 they need their head examined.

00:11:38.320 That's so out of line that there's any mainstream media coverage.

00:11:41.980 If they weren't there, I was there.

00:11:43.740 I saw what went on.

00:11:45.600 Well, you were telling me on the phone as you were making your way back from the meeting

00:11:49.420 or what was supposed to be a meeting today

00:11:51.460 that Richard Cloutier on the local talk radio station

00:11:55.100 was saying there was an incident that interrupted the meeting he didn't say that the newsreader did

00:12:01.000 that oh apparently there's been some incidents that he came back on and he said well we were

00:12:06.260 going to be having a segment from neverville but but but but and he was getting texted by sources

00:12:13.160 and what i know when i say on the podcast he's getting stooge reports he needs better stooges

00:12:19.660 i swear to god that the meeting was disrupted i don't think people chanting let them in

00:12:26.520 disrupts the meeting i'm sorry to say that's not a right option i and ken lee was there

00:12:32.300 and uh uh and he might you know it's a big room and there's a lot to look at and observe

00:12:40.460 and i might have missed something but this idea that people wanting their neighbors to be able

00:12:48.140 take part in a meeting that's going to affect everyone's future but former mayor west st paul

00:12:53.020 said this is going to have a profound effect told the media it's going to have a profound effect on

00:12:57.180 every business owner property owner every resident in the in the region that's affected by it and

00:13:02.540 that's the only politicians that told the truth so far well we've had people at the meeting or

00:13:08.620 was supposed to be the meeting today the preempted meeting who weren't even in this region gathering

00:13:13.340 let's call it christine your area is not included in the winnipeg metropolitan region yet you were

00:13:19.280 there rick wall was there a lot of winkler representation was there why did you guys come

00:13:23.320 out you know what actually first of all thanks shadow for having me on again tonight thank you

00:13:29.220 for coming on i appreciate that and it was so great to see ken and and meeting martin today

00:13:33.800 yeah it was just it was it was wild today shadow it was just it was yeah it was inspiring well give

00:13:41.820 us your take on what happened today that's why all three of you i want all three different

00:13:46.340 perspectives so marty i think was inside the the room and i think ken was in the room i had to wait

00:13:52.180 outside they did call my name knowing that they were going to get in the people who were going to

00:13:56.620 be speaking from my understanding so i was able to walk through the crowd and i got to the front

00:14:00.940 like to the door to get in um there was already security blocking the door i think they've reached

00:14:06.780 their capacity on the inside there looked like there was a lot of empty chairs however they were

00:14:12.600 right the amount of people on the outside are not going to fit in that room it's the whole

00:14:20.100 yeah the whole thing it needed another room they underestimated the crowd but they're used to not

00:14:27.200 under not they're used to not having a crowd yeah yeah marty you've been to a lot of these meetings

00:14:33.480 before i mean you've covered the city hall forever and ever and ever and usually at meetings like

00:14:38.840 this how many people turn out i get this a little different because it's regional so there were

00:14:44.840 people from outside of winnipeg at this meeting but it was a significant number not like three

00:14:48.760 people wandered in from la salle or something i mean i met i met christine today for the first

00:14:54.120 time which and and was able to talk with her and there was another uh another woman from another

00:15:01.180 rm that also is not yet encompassed by this plan who's like scared to death of it being a bit like

00:15:07.740 an octopus spreading and affecting their futures and their rights and everybody knows that there's

00:15:14.900 been no consultation in any of these of these affected regions this is there's a very bizarre

00:15:20.220 political process in play here that that i i've never seen before typically a public meeting on

00:15:26.660 something let's say a bike lane somewhere you might get 100 people or 150 how many are really

00:15:33.660 informed not just going through the motions or going oh yeah this is great go ahead uh you know

00:15:38.820 you have about 50 people that are really engaged maybe 20 or 30 they're sort of neighborhood

00:15:43.400 curious or something um a turnout like this is significant it's significant like the 500 people

00:15:48.760 in wolsey that didn't want to lose their bus service it's significant to the people in happy

00:15:53.400 Island Park in Winnipeg and in this area you've got what we see here clearly it's a lot 300 people

00:15:59.440 all banding together over something in this day and age when everybody's so distracted when

00:16:04.360 everybody's got a million things to do and so disconnected and you get 500 people here and

00:16:08.580 300 people here and then four or 500 people out in Niverville on a weekday the dirtiest trick in

00:16:13.960 this I don't mean to take up too much time but the dirtiest trick in this is trying to pretend

00:16:17.780 to public consultations in the summertime in Manitoba.

00:16:21.520 It's the dirtiest trick in the playbook of the bureaucrats

00:16:24.380 because they know people go to their deserved vacations at the lake

00:16:28.440 to maintain their properties, to visit their relatives,

00:16:31.740 to go to Folklorama, to go to the festivals in Dauphin,

00:16:34.940 to go to the pot, to go to Flin Flon.

00:16:37.480 And then they try to pretend that they're giving people access to information

00:16:41.980 and a pipeline of feedback to their political masters in the summertime.

00:16:47.780 it's the dirtiest trick in the book and it should be banned because that's how they're getting

00:16:53.100 around it don't you think they've gone too far christine you were going to say i think the most

00:16:59.220 important thing to remember because you were asking about um why i was there yes i have property in

00:17:05.600 winnipeg but that wasn't why i was there i was there because winnipeg is uh we have to get into

00:17:11.720 winnipeg our hospitals you have a heart attack out in the country you're not going to boundary

00:17:16.160 you're going to winnipeg we need winnipeg we need the surrounding areas to be vital

00:17:22.420 because we too need you because we work as a unit the problem you need to have access to the roadways

00:17:28.880 to get into the city right even if you're driving a dirty gas-powered car i know so we right we have

00:17:36.780 to get costco we have to right unfortunately that's how we roll we have to be able to access

00:17:43.040 it just like everybody wants to all manitobans just like me should be concerned with this if we

00:17:49.840 don't go to winnipeg or brandon we're pretty or winkler like those are the big hubs if it can

00:17:56.380 affect there and like ken was alluding to earlier um he was he was saying that this isn't just for

00:18:03.480 the region right this we can see in the plan that it actually talked about cabins and it talked

00:18:10.720 about um like beach areas well that doesn't exist in those 18 municipalities this is already

00:18:17.380 set up to go bigger and it's going to keep onion out in my opinion there it is the guide to the

00:18:26.740 planning amendment in city of winnipeg charter amendment act that is part of the planning act

00:18:31.220 from the province of manitoba ken you've been studying that now for the past couple of weeks

00:18:36.300 and that's been the key to the creation of this whole winnipeg metropolitan region

00:18:42.780 even the people who are presenting this plan don't seem to know what's in it you had an

00:18:48.860 interesting conversation today with with somebody at the meeting yeah with the city of winnipeg uh

00:18:55.100 i'll just bureaucrat uh and i went up i want to talk to scott gillingham and uh it was hard to

00:19:02.940 to get to him he had lots of protection there and i talked to one of his assistants wait wait wait

00:19:08.720 hold on you're telling me that the mayor had bodyguards not bodyguards it was just a bunch

00:19:13.980 of people hanging out it was hard to get through for a little guy like me so i just waved to the

00:19:18.960 person i knew and i asked her to come out so i could talk to her but it was interesting conversation

00:19:23.820 because because i i said like you know that like scott's in big trouble right now like

00:19:29.240 half the people in this room are from

00:19:31.280 Winnipeg. I talked to several people

00:19:33.300 that got in their car because they

00:19:35.280 missed the one at Canada Inns

00:19:37.280 and he said, I didn't know about that meeting.

00:19:39.440 I heard about this one and

00:19:41.280 I drove out, took a day off work. So there was

00:19:43.140 quite a few people

00:19:44.480 I went out with, like Marty

00:19:47.160 from Winnipeg. He wasn't there the last one.

00:19:49.240 But she

00:19:50.740 said, what do you mean in trouble? 0.99

00:19:53.720 These are all crazy people. 0.62

00:19:56.000 I go, no, they're not crazy 0.98

00:19:57.360 people. Why would you say that? She said, well,

00:19:59.100 i've been looking at their stuff online and they don't even they haven't read it i says what do

00:20:03.540 you mean maybe you haven't read it they all read it that's why they're here if they hadn't read it

00:20:08.420 they wouldn't tell me just it wastes their time they're here because they're angry at what they

00:20:12.600 read and she had the whole theme of the discussion was that we can't understand why you're mad why

00:20:20.440 you're angry at this thing this thing is great honestly i couldn't believe it don't play that

00:20:25.440 with me like i read it i'm not stupid i can read what this is this is a bad plan this there's

00:20:32.280 nobody who gets explained the situation and what you're trying to do would agree with it nobody

00:20:39.100 wants to give up their car nobody wants to give up their backyard nobody wants to give up their

00:20:43.180 wealth nobody wants to do give up anything that they own because everything is just fine there's

00:20:49.400 no climate change issue here that people can maybe they can walk there in 50 minutes but they

00:20:53.980 could drive in five minutes yeah so the communities are already in place we all have a community

00:21:00.100 but we're not restricted by bikes or walking we can get in our car we can go there if we want to

00:21:05.400 go outside of our community go to costco it's called freedom what they're proposing is something

00:21:11.680 other than that we're going to tell you we're going to supply you something and you have to

00:21:15.780 use that service is there any mention ken or marty and christine i know you've read this uh

00:21:22.020 this thing as well i've scanned it a couple of times but i always tend to get sidetracked with

00:21:26.880 something else is there anything about restriction of movement in this plan aside from a limiting use

00:21:32.260 of the highways to gas-powered vehicles yes yes there's there's all sorts of limit limitations

00:21:39.460 on movement because they suggest and before you before you start yet i just want to point this out

00:21:44.620 i messaged this to marty i think it was about a week ago on x or something i said hey marty have

00:21:48.860 You've seen this limiting transportation.

00:21:51.080 And you said, well, show me the limiting transportation part because you hadn't even had a chance to read it, which shocked me because Marty is always up on everything before anybody else is.

00:22:02.720 Right. And I went, whoa, they rely on this, though, guys.

00:22:05.980 And we know this now. They rely on an avalanche of jargon-laden, highbrow, philosophic nonsense that they don't take into consideration.

00:22:19.500 We freeze to death half the year. They don't take into consideration people that live in Somerset or that live in Lorette or that live in St. Paul.

00:22:29.380 What they're doing is they're playing SimCity with our lives.

00:22:35.980 and scott gilliam's going along with it that's not how you govern that's not what you were elected

00:22:42.180 to do yeah they're playing sim city with our lives but they've got the u.n whispering in

00:22:47.920 their ears about what next moves they're going to make and so can you that they would deny that

00:22:52.080 they're so detached from what's even in their own documents they don't understand why it's

00:22:56.280 important to people to to be able to point out well that's coming from the u.n not everybody

00:23:01.900 trusts the UN, and with good reason.

00:23:04.920 Well, no kidding.

00:23:06.220 And Ken, you were just about to talk about

00:23:07.880 the limitations to mobility here.

00:23:10.680 Yeah, well,

00:23:11.800 there's another document out there right now,

00:23:14.120 and Christine wouldn't necessarily be aware of this one,

00:23:16.100 but it's the City of Winnipeg 2050

00:23:18.000 Transportation Plan.

00:23:20.900 And it's 255

00:23:22.240 pages of nonsense, 0.77

00:23:23.680 but they pretty much mirror each other

00:23:26.020 when it comes to discussions on transportation.

00:23:28.940 The City of Winnipeg

00:23:30.140 document which i think is the what they're trying to sneak through here somehow but the city of

00:23:34.940 winnipeg talks about 50 of your transportation will be active transportation your transportation

00:23:43.040 mode i guess they call it which is walking and biking 50 of everything you do you'll be able to

00:23:48.500 walk to or ride your bike to then it talks everything else will be shared transportation

00:23:54.180 which is code for a bus buses and electric vehicles are fine 24 7 gas colored vehicles

00:24:02.860 bad and they want to get rid of them and i read it somewhere i don't know where i think it said

00:24:08.880 their first objective is 60 of the cars gas fueled cars off the road so yeah they're going to live

00:24:16.620 Because they want you to stay within your community.

00:24:22.320 And if you venture out of there and you have a gas vehicle,

00:24:25.520 it talks about a toll or a fee to drive your gas-powered vehicle 0.52

00:24:30.360 out of your jail, your ghetto, and down a restricted road.

00:24:35.980 It's so bizarre that in Canada, we're even talking about this right now.

00:24:41.900 And these restricted roads, Ken, we're talking about,

00:24:44.260 they're not back alleys they're not dirt roads or c-grade highways we're talking about main arteries

00:24:51.460 within the city and outside of the city we're talking about like highway 59 highway 75 highway

00:24:57.020 six and seven and eight correct correct they're talking about the new term is transportation

00:25:01.760 corridors by the way not highways but transportation corridors with restricted access in fact in the

00:25:09.100 July 25th meeting a gentleman from the city of Winnipeg started talking about an amendment he

00:25:15.020 wanted to make to Pemina Highway and I'm sitting there going and he talks about words are right

00:25:20.400 out restricted access which means only certain vehicles will be allowed shared shared transportation

00:25:27.560 buses and and vehicles that deliver goods so your prime Amazon truck is not in jeopardy in this plan

00:25:35.140 but that's and then when they say restricted that means they'll be closing off roadways

00:25:40.260 like there's one on academy road right now can't get onto uh academy road from wellington crest

00:25:46.840 they just blocked the road up yeah marty you've been you've been following the uh the bicycle path

00:25:53.860 or the bicycle lane situation pretty closely for the past couple of years is that the beginnings

00:26:00.120 of all of this in your opinion it's the thin edge of the wedge for sure because they know

00:26:04.740 that can game and rig public consultation, manufacture consent,

00:26:09.480 invent consent where it doesn't exist.

00:26:11.960 The bike lobby clearly has its hooks into some of the city councillors

00:26:16.420 who deny it, but there's no correlation between the success of businesses.

00:26:22.660 Listen, CGOB today, in dealing with the Niverville thing,

00:26:28.760 with the hearing, they gave an overview at first.

00:26:32.060 oh the winnipeg metropolitan region has a new plan and it was consultations took place over

00:26:37.960 five years it was interrupted by coven what consultation over five years that's a red flag

00:26:42.420 right there and and when they have the spokesperson from the wmr on she spoke about how this and

00:26:48.660 christine i want to mention this to you this was to the benefit of the bedroom communities

00:26:52.760 they're missing out on opportunities because there's no coordination between municipalities

00:26:56.480 so businesses are choosing to go to Edmonton

00:26:59.320 or other places that have these plans. 1.00

00:27:01.880 Now, this to me sounds like a bunch of shibberish. 1.00

00:27:07.460 Right? 1.00

00:27:09.320 So, Christine, have you been looking in your area?

00:27:15.460 Because I know Brandon has got a plan like this.

00:27:18.100 They call it the Healthy City Plan, though,

00:27:19.920 and they use the jargon of the United Nations 2030 SDGs

00:27:24.340 and the World Economic Forum.

00:27:25.840 have you looked in your area for anything like this well you know what it's actually because

00:27:31.440 this is so new i only found out about this two days before last week's meeting and um

00:27:38.000 i mean i tried to get a few people on this as fast as possible but i haven't looked in our area

00:27:43.760 i think uh they're going to definitely do this in winnipeg first my area is so small i don't want

00:27:49.360 to say that because i actually thought winnipeg was so small that they would never do winnipeg

00:27:53.260 but and actually when you look at this i don't know like it's so i'm it's so feasibly ridiculous

00:28:04.460 we can't financially handle this to me there's something more in behind it and i thought

00:28:10.240 well we can't even fill a pocket like how can we actually do what they think they're going to do

00:28:17.220 with the money that we have so my the problem that i'm having with this whole thing is the

00:28:24.060 fiscal responsibility where there's there's no budgets there's no there's no financials there's

00:28:29.860 no projections i have never seen anybody be able to take a proposal if you as a family want to buy

00:28:37.220 a swimming pool you better take into account how much that costs where's the cost there's nothing

00:28:42.300 here i miss ken did you find anything no i can't find any financials on this i can't find any

00:28:49.120 projections i can't find any budgeting i it's it's insane so the thing that this is actually

00:28:54.060 going to go through it's fiscally um impossible so what's the grab and i keep going back to page

00:29:01.460 101 and and i think it's six six point two point seven maybe is that is that the one that you

00:29:08.140 texted to me yesterday yesterday and i believe that's the only thing that's making sense is that

00:29:13.360 once they push this plan the next day they can enforce and that's the control piece that it

00:29:20.600 doesn't matter if we can afford this or do even even do one even if they want to make another

00:29:26.000 bike plane they can't afford it but they get the power to tell you what to do okay so let me let

00:29:33.340 me throw something out there and you guys can call me crazy because you know why not like as

00:29:39.020 long as we're going down this path why not the trudeau government has been meeting with city

00:29:44.240 officials in major cities across the country for the past couple of years and nobody really knows

00:29:49.160 what they've been talking about they've been talking about infrastructure they're talking

00:29:52.340 about transportation what exactly are they talking about where has all this missing money gone i mean

00:29:58.920 i'm not sure if you guys have been following any of these federal government committees that have

00:30:02.960 still been going on over the summer and there there's billions and we're talking about billions

00:30:06.960 of dollars missing from this green slush fund could it be that the federal government in term

00:30:13.840 in in you know in return for giving all of this money away to these cities is saying you've got

00:30:20.560 to implement these smart city plans i don't care what you call it don't call it 15 minute city

00:30:25.680 because people are onto that call it smart city call it healthy city call it complete city whatever

00:30:30.160 Is that even a possibility, Marty?

00:30:31.820 Have you seen anything like that at all?

00:30:34.180 Interestingly enough, and I don't spend a lot of time looking at the big picture

00:30:38.020 because I'm, by definition, I'm very micro on this stuff.

00:30:42.600 But I have some, what do you say, something about smart city, right?

00:30:46.800 I got smart listeners and smart readers, and I got an analysis,

00:30:50.600 and I want to run past you folks.

00:30:52.580 All right.

00:30:53.080 Following the money is often a good way to begin an analysis.

00:30:55.940 Who is more motivated?

00:30:56.880 the federal liberals who made the mess of excess immigration or winnipeg's home builders

00:31:01.640 if you were the club for home builders in winnipeg and you know that even with a big

00:31:06.180 liberal bribe no one is buying or building houses in winnipeg and housing starts here are way down

00:31:10.780 wouldn't you see this wmr 2050 thing as a salvation would you be motivated to lobby

00:31:17.940 government to bring in such rules when you see home building outside the city limits accelerate

00:31:22.700 You enable the private club to, here's where the mobility comes in, close doable, permanent, et cetera, and take control of all home building in the region.

00:31:33.360 Now, no one can build a new home in the region, and those who live outside the perimeter cannot commute to the city.

00:31:40.300 Here's how this plays out, and this I got like two days ago.

00:31:44.700 so if you are a crane operator or a hydro vice president and live in neverville

00:31:51.760 you will have to find work locally according to this plan even though no such job will exist there

00:31:58.300 ever in the real world and these rules come into effect those who own home houses in the bedroom

00:32:04.840 communities in the region will be forced to sell putting those town councils in a financial distress

00:32:10.160 It is sad that those who vote on this have no clue what it will do to their small towns.

00:32:16.840 I leave it to you folks to reflect on those, that.

00:32:21.340 You know, that Maggie Hope Brown was talking about that exactly, about how they can end up forcing people from the rural areas to move into the city for affordable housing.

00:32:33.400 um so she said that in these other circumstances when they've amalgamated this is not an amalgamation

00:32:40.620 here but when they've amalgamated different uh municipalities around a major city what ends up

00:32:47.140 happening over five years or 10 years is that the funding to these smaller municipalities gets cut

00:32:52.740 off and all of a sudden they can't afford anything so they shut her down and they move the people

00:32:58.020 move into a different community because the services are cut in the winnipeg situation you

00:33:03.520 have winnipeg with 86 of the population they're funding 86 of the expenses so i would imagine

00:33:11.020 they're getting 86 of the money so some of these smaller communities you know we're going to get

00:33:16.860 nothing virtually nothing that they can actually work with so i think marty i think whoever wrote

00:33:22.180 that might have some insight into where this is heading i've already heard it from from maggie

00:33:27.300 she's already talked about that situation i think you're right it will have an effect definitely

00:33:35.160 but this is so massive this it's so ridiculously impossible that that although that has a factor

00:33:45.420 like i mean just the idea of this whole thing of of this many councils unknowingly i i'm going to be

00:33:53.140 as kind as possible

00:33:55.380 and only giving

00:33:57.240 up their rights

00:33:58.680 this actually

00:34:01.400 is pushed down by the

00:34:03.320 province, it's mandated by the province

00:34:05.320 it started off as a beautiful little

00:34:07.040 cute idea as a committee

00:34:08.380 and then it was

00:34:10.900 ratified by

00:34:13.280 our provincial government

00:34:14.560 to create as a

00:34:17.200 corporation that actually

00:34:19.400 is kind of in between

00:34:20.900 we have the feds, we have the province

00:34:22.640 and then we have our third level of government which is it's our local governance and this

00:34:28.000 actually kind of lies in between it's directed by the province and it actually is kind of in between

00:34:33.840 and it's above the council christine have you have you looked into who this council is answerable to

00:34:41.200 are they answerable to the province or anybody are they independent who are they under a public act

00:34:47.440 so it's a manitoba act that governs them they would probably they're going to have to respond

00:34:53.600 just this plan has to respond to um the sports but not sports culture and heritage i'm so used

00:34:59.640 to saying that um municipal relations so and i think his name i think he's a first nation

00:35:05.340 gentleman i think his name is bushy bushy bushy and yeah ken you were talking about ian i'm sorry

00:35:13.340 to interrupt you christine you were talking about ian bushy uh just before the show started yeah

00:35:18.060 ian bushy is the minister of municipalities and he's also the minister of economic development

00:35:23.400 for the indigenous community so ian bushy has tremendous powers in the uh amendment to the

00:35:32.080 planning act and i was explaining to you shadow before the show they list all his areas that he

00:35:38.580 can make regulations and there's 18 of them and they include things like uh he can he can has the

00:35:45.860 power to uh where is it now just let me find it in a second sorry i got this uh down here so he's

00:35:54.120 got all sorts of powers he can uh appoint directors he can fill vacancies he can pick the chair and

00:36:01.400 the vice chair which i find kind of odd that the minister would do that and he can determine the

00:36:07.060 voting structure and i wouldn't mind just talking about that for a second because i just learned

00:36:11.340 about this two days ago when i was looking at the mnr bylaws their own bylaws and in the very last

00:36:18.560 page of their bylaws section 21 it talks about voting and it says two things it says each

00:36:26.360 director has one vote now that never made sense to me that winnipeg would have just one vote out

00:36:31.140 of 18 when it's making up 86 percent of the population then it says this the directors who

00:36:37.280 approve any decision by the board must together represent regional member municipalities that

00:36:44.160 collectively have at least 50 percent of the population so let me break that down for you

00:36:50.100 if 20 people 20 members of this board of directors vote in favor of something and

00:36:56.640 city of winnipeg votes against it it's done it's out because he has 86 of the vote so he rules so

00:37:03.800 20 municipal 18 municipalities three appointees they have no power zero power to vote on a

00:37:11.960 resolution their votes are worth nothing so all he should have is scott gillingham in charge of

00:37:17.700 the entire region he can sit there and say oh i'm okay with that i'm not i don't want that

00:37:22.500 another guy's in the state that's not how the province wants it though and that's actually

00:37:27.140 works in our favor marty you were telling me that there are some counselors uh from some of the rms

00:37:33.140 surrounding the city who are very concerned about this and absolutely oppose it you know i i i've

00:37:39.540 heard that i certainly there was you know i actually i went up to one of the counselors

00:37:45.140 today and when i say counselors they might be mayors or reeves i i'm not well versed in who's

00:37:51.040 who out there uh but i went up to one guy and i said are you so and so and he wasn't the the one

00:37:57.440 i i thought he was who had expressed the concern this was the the representative from west st paul

00:38:04.080 who in the first hearing pointed out that the um agricultural water retention policy would result

00:38:12.260 in the people not being able to plant crops

00:38:14.520 at the beginning of May,

00:38:15.880 at the beginning of June.

00:38:17.320 And I went through the dreadful experience

00:38:20.240 of watching that hearing,

00:38:22.420 and Ken had it even worse off by being there.

00:38:25.000 And I'm like, who, on what planet

00:38:28.620 should Scott Gillingham have a vote

00:38:31.680 on deciding if a farmer should be planting his potatoes,

00:38:36.360 when a farmer should be planting his potatoes?

00:38:39.480 That escaped me.

00:38:41.040 And right there, like between that and the lack of consultation, I can see this just some goofy, bureaucratic, technocratic overreach.

00:38:51.500 You know, they start with a big problem and they say, oh, it's going to cost a lot of money not to fix it.

00:38:57.240 So we're going to fix it.

00:38:58.360 And the next thing you know, you're going to have high density, multi-story buildings crammed down the main road going in a God knows where, you know, small villages or whatever.

00:39:07.000 and they're going to completely change the character of everything and we're the beneficiaries 0.79

00:39:11.480 the liberals in charge the ndp in charge the political class hypothetically the home builders

00:39:18.400 no marty no the ultimate benefactor will be us because the climate

00:39:24.700 but none of this none of this would reduce ghd emissions as much as uh closing commercial

00:39:36.340 air travelers we know that there is like manitoba is a hydro province we you we don't use coal here

00:39:46.500 which is probably the number why do they punish us for living here and use climate as an excuse

00:39:53.940 to like twist it and blind us how close are we and and this thing was given a 40-day delay today so

00:40:02.580 So we're not doing it today, 40 days, we're going to do another one in 40, or we'll give you 40 days notice.

00:40:07.960 So it may not even be in 40 days, they have to go and find...

00:40:11.040 It'll be sometime between Thanksgiving and Halloween, I think.

00:40:16.500 Okay, so they need a bigger venue.

00:40:20.600 Once they have this meeting, this second meeting, and they're going to be prepared for us this time, by the way,

00:40:25.740 so we're going to need to bring an army with us.

00:40:27.440 And when I say that, I'm talking figuratively, not literally, I don't want you guys watching this.

00:40:32.580 to get any ideas um because i know some of you guys who were there today do have those ideas

00:40:39.140 maybe anyway we're gonna have to bring even more people the idea shadow a thousand people

00:40:45.220 they have to and i talked with a couple of these officials i told them directly your staff let you

00:40:52.660 down this was mismanaged they had no idea how to do the security in the inside the venue they had

00:40:58.180 no idea how to even address the people outside i ended up having to to explain to the 300 people

00:41:05.520 outside what was going on and assure them that i had a recording in my pocket on my phone if they

00:41:11.840 wanted to hear that he said it's only postponed we're going to get 48's notice we're going to

00:41:17.400 have a building big enough for everybody okay so out there and talk to that crowd it was left to

00:41:23.280 So Don Woodstock is such a colorful character, isn't he?

00:41:28.440 Anyway, so we have this meeting, the second meeting,

00:41:30.840 and Marty figures it's going to be between Thanksgiving and Halloween.

00:41:33.820 Once that meeting happens, is this ratified?

00:41:38.580 Or is there still hoops they have to jump through, Christine?

00:41:41.460 Yeah, no.

00:41:42.480 Okay, so they are following process.

00:41:44.800 The problem is that they're being sly. 0.91

00:41:48.940 They're not being so stinky. 0.90

00:41:50.720 Marty, I'm sorry.

00:41:51.520 I'm going to have to mute you, Marty.

00:41:52.460 You sound like when you're not talking, it sounds like there's a rattlesnake next to you.

00:41:55.780 So I'm going to mute your mic, but we'll come back to you definitely.

00:42:00.500 Anyway, Christine, go ahead.

00:42:01.840 So they have followed procedure, but they haven't done their due process to the best of what they could have done, right?

00:42:09.680 They didn't let people know.

00:42:11.460 They put a small ad at the bottom of the paper in comparison to letting people know, right?

00:42:17.780 If they wanted to save their jobs, they would have let you know.

00:42:20.440 but no instead this isn't about their jobs this is about um getting the public to come out the

00:42:26.540 public information so they put a little ad at the bottom of the paper they did their job by letting

00:42:32.680 them letting very few people know about it so nobody shows up at the meetings so what their

00:42:38.560 job was they made a committee the committee was supposed to by their mandate is provide a plan

00:42:44.680 and they have to accept the plan that's their job is to accept a regional plan for the area

00:42:50.220 now what that committee did they would have asked the public very quietly asked the public but they

00:42:57.120 did their job they get to check that box nobody showed up they did it during 2021 when we were all

00:43:03.720 locked down they did it very quietly and they did do the information meeting once they gather their

00:43:10.720 information then they're supposed to devise a plan they did that you know that's what you're looking

00:43:16.100 act and okay so when they did those two information meetings one was probably supposed to be inside

00:43:21.780 the inside the city and the other one was supposed to be out in the country i never heard of it but

00:43:26.260 they would have had to have done it in order to get to this stage don't you think that some of

00:43:31.620 these councillors mayors reeves would be looking at anybody like who's on council with them and say

00:43:38.200 you know what this seems really weird to me we've never had to do this under the cover of night

00:43:42.940 before and and shouldn't there be alarm bells just ringing in their heads here well yes and no

00:43:49.300 because they've been doing this for years the same pattern all the time they don't want people

00:43:55.120 showing up nobody normally shows up why are we wasting money on the ads nobody like this has to

00:44:00.740 happen for every every board school boards included whenever they propose something that's so major

00:44:08.440 they do have to do two information sessions they have to do a proposal they do the proposal then

00:44:14.920 they do first reading then they have the plan already liked by these people then they have to

00:44:20.400 do um two inside the city and outside of the city meetings to let the people know that this is the

00:44:28.040 plan we've decided then they do second reading and third reading so right now we're in this pattern

00:44:34.340 Am I saying that wrong, Ken?

00:44:36.400 No.

00:44:37.060 I just think the process, the stage of the process there are right now,

00:44:41.440 they have to do at least two meetings, which they've done.

00:44:43.860 They should have done an 18 meeting is what they should have done.

00:44:46.700 But they did two meetings, yeah.

00:44:48.620 And then that's the second reading.

00:44:51.060 When it's completed, they have to take the results of those hearings

00:44:54.340 and all the different people who present it,

00:44:57.040 and they're supposed to incorporate some of their ideas

00:44:59.660 before they give it the third reading.

00:45:02.140 The third reading then goes without any more hearings.

00:45:05.880 It goes to the minister, and the minister approves it.

00:45:09.420 Rubber stamped.

00:45:10.500 So we're close.

00:45:12.400 They want this implemented January 1st of next year.

00:45:16.980 Yeah.

00:45:17.480 And this is done.

00:45:19.880 Marty?

00:45:21.220 This is done without the area councillors in Winnipeg being given a single information session

00:45:28.240 about the implications of this

00:45:30.580 and on what they will or won't be able to vote for in the future.

00:45:34.780 This is beyond.

00:45:36.940 I've only today started to understand the back end

00:45:40.100 that they did.

00:45:42.460 How is four hours of consultation in Winnipeg

00:45:45.580 with 750,000 people,

00:45:48.100 how do they think they're going to convince anybody that's legitimate?

00:45:52.500 That's zero legitimacy.

00:45:54.200 And I want to draw the point about where public consultation goes wrong.

00:45:58.240 The city of Winnipeg bike plane audit explained that when people don't show up, that's not because people don't care.

00:46:06.200 It's because you as a communicator on the government payroll failed to do your job and get out messaging that accurately reflected the importance of what's going on.

00:46:15.280 Traffic calming measures is not the same as cars may be blocked at your street.

00:46:20.700 Okay?

00:46:21.260 so it was explained that you have to detail to people these could be the effects on in your area

00:46:30.000 on what goes on not come tell us your experience so to inform future policy so they not only are

00:46:37.200 doing the bare minimum they're ensuring that people don't get engaged because they are talking

00:46:42.020 about like it's a philosophical exercise which to them it is because it's all part of a broader

00:46:47.380 philosophical plan to i guess save the planet or something but it always revolves around

00:46:54.540 people being restricting mobility and people being having less choices and less control

00:47:01.060 and government having more marty let me ask you you cover the city of winnipeg you know the

00:47:06.880 councillors is it mostly a left-leaning marxist type council that we have this time around i

00:47:13.320 haven't even looked lately to be honest with you i i think you've got a lot of i think a lot of

00:47:18.060 conservatism now is um not very conservative on a lot of issues yeah i think there's a lot

00:47:24.700 it would make city all of go along to get along if um if you listen to my interview with brian

00:47:31.380 mays you know he talked you know he's genuinely um hurt at at his departure from epc um but he

00:47:41.380 admits he rattled cages but the way that was handled is just unacceptable you know call somebody

00:47:48.180 when they're on the road you know to tell them your service is no longer required that's rude

00:47:52.100 and and unnecessarily unkind there's no rush to replace maybe there was a rush to replace them i

00:47:57.140 don't know um it's it's interesting that he said that things were actually better under

00:48:02.840 cates and bowman in terms of having leeway to debate policy and disagree on things but if

00:48:09.440 Gilliam is essentially whipping a very tight ship.

00:48:14.100 It's like, who made him the person who controlled Winnipeg's destiny with the region?

00:48:21.140 Like, when he got that appointment, did people understand he'd never go back to council to get them to approve anything?

00:48:26.640 This, again, just strikes me right now.

00:48:28.420 But, Ken, does that sound right to you?

00:48:31.700 No, but, Marty, I want to ask you a question about the transportation plan.

00:48:35.940 i think that's the that's the trojan horse that they're it's in the background nobody's even

00:48:41.740 looking at it have you talked to any councillors what they have do they have any knowledge about

00:48:47.480 what's in the transportation plan 2050 because this is just as scary as the wmr one by the way

00:48:52.400 you even mentioned 15 minute cities right in the text um have you talked to any book any

00:48:57.800 counselors well i i honestly i don't recall that any certainly it didn't come up with with brian

00:49:03.300 that's probably my own fault because we had you know there's so much else to talk about i don't

00:49:07.460 think they know about it i don't i i'll put it to you this way oh actually yes i did hear from

00:49:13.760 one counselor who agreed that there was something odd about the pop-ups not being consult public

00:49:20.600 consultation i did bring that up with maize actually now i haven't aired that part of the

00:49:24.880 interview that they say well we're just providing information with these pop-ups and i'm like

00:49:29.660 but people have questions and you can answer the questions don't you go back to the counselors

00:49:33.280 and say hey the residents asked how it's going to affect my bay over here if it's going to prevent

00:49:38.680 people from stopping by the school like do you not like give that feedback that of holes people

00:49:44.280 found in the plan you just cash your check holes in the plan marty even the the um the president of

00:49:53.540 of the chakras association if we're talking about stakeholders that would have been one of the

00:49:59.780 biggest stakeholders are you kidding me they holes in the plan they didn't even talk to the

00:50:05.360 right stakeholders i don't understand how we got here except for corruption i really don't get it

00:50:13.440 who's benefiting from this what the hell is going on and and yet the the city sleeps there's still

00:50:19.240 people who what are you talking about when you say this to them so let me ask you this and ken

00:50:24.880 and i have discussed this we haven't yet had this conversation christine or marty

00:50:28.260 But is there a way out of this?

00:50:30.640 Marty, you go first.

00:50:32.540 Oh, yeah.

00:50:33.320 I'll tell you what.

00:50:35.440 In spite of it, you see, there's a real weak link here.

00:50:39.640 And that's the fact that this is all, I'm trying to think of the comparison.

00:50:43.520 The Wizard of Oz?

00:50:46.740 Is this what I'm thinking of?

00:50:48.100 Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

00:50:52.920 Gillingham is, like, in front of the curtain and behind the curtain

00:50:56.420 because ultimately he has all the control.

00:50:58.260 but these local reads local mayors they're going to be very sensitive to the feedback they get now 0.99

00:51:03.460 the question is is the ndp going to give a shit or is the ndp just going to ram this through 0.98

00:51:07.340 but this is going to cause the ndp have the power marty does the ndp have the power to override a 0.99

00:51:16.340 municipal government duly elected yes absolutely and wait a minute because no wait hold on hold

00:51:22.760 on just just a second because christine you and i have had conversations like this before talking

00:51:27.540 about school trustees and the province just rolling in and trying to get rid of a duly

00:51:32.820 elected school trustees and they can't do it well they're not supposed to do it unless there's proof

00:51:37.540 of of um dysfunction if the lower if the lower government is not performing properly

00:51:44.420 then the the provincial government can step in according to who that they're not performing

00:51:50.460 properly so now we see everything that's so sneaky this is not a skunk in the hen house

00:51:56.920 we'd smell it this is a fox okay you're asking about do we have a chance on this yeah we just

00:52:05.180 we we had a win today we bought ourselves 40 days now i'm going to make a plea out to people

00:52:10.880 every counselor not just in this region every counselor in the province should know about

00:52:18.300 what's going on every mla and i can guarantee you every mla has no clue of what they've allowed

00:52:26.880 to happen and this is on them just as much as it's on this this sad corporation who doesn't

00:52:33.760 even understand what they're doing and every sad counselor who's going to be very sad and very

00:52:38.200 woken very short shortly in short order here but every mla has no idea what they've done

00:52:46.300 they allowed a corporation and they're under the guise of of a beautiful idea right let's get these

00:52:53.200 programs to talk to each other let's get them to amalgamate and and become one so that they can

00:52:57.440 they can talk about their stewardship and everything then all of a sudden it went from a

00:53:02.980 beautiful little committee that had to report back had to report back to their councils because it

00:53:08.800 was a committee all of a sudden they became an entity and now they didn't have to report back

00:53:13.840 in fact they were forbidden from to report back am i right ken i think they were forbidden

00:53:18.980 to report back to their own councils so now it's actually written christine in one of their

00:53:25.120 documents yeah marty looks a little confused by that yeah that that's something that ken brought

00:53:29.600 up uh to all of our attention last night on the show that these representatives from uh the rms

00:53:36.160 outside of the city have been instructed not to discuss any of what is discussed in the wmr

00:53:41.960 planning not even with their husbands or wives never mind their their council uh mates they

00:53:48.200 don't talk about this with anybody like what am i holding a secret atomic football here and

00:53:53.480 like seriously like because it's a corporation that isn't accountable to the shareholders

00:54:00.280 they're off i mean i don't see where the accountability is i mean if if if and this

00:54:07.800 This isn't just Scott Gillingham.

00:54:09.200 I didn't hear any candidates say, elect me, and I'll make sure that the WMR will have to approve every bylaw,

00:54:17.640 every housing development, new neighborhood.

00:54:20.880 Vote for me, and I'll hand over authority.

00:54:23.440 Marty, have you ever seen anything this big proposed by the city of Winnipeg before, ever?

00:54:31.560 No, this is bigger than Unicity, right?

00:54:34.920 Unicity was big.

00:54:35.920 before your time here

00:54:38.660 but it was a big deal

00:54:40.080 bringing together all the

00:54:42.220 Transphona and St. James and all the

00:54:44.800 former little cities and whatever

00:54:46.060 but this is

00:54:48.940 I'm just trying to

00:54:50.880 grasp again this process

00:54:52.680 confuses me that people have

00:54:54.800 a position because they were elected

00:54:56.380 but then they aren't accountable

00:54:58.320 for their actions

00:55:00.760 in this organization

00:55:02.540 even though they're there

00:55:04.560 because they're representatives of the people.

00:55:07.740 It's a bizarre kind of fight, private fightdom.

00:55:11.660 It makes no sense.

00:55:13.080 It sounds like Winnipeg Enterprises Corporation

00:55:15.380 from years ago, doesn't it?

00:55:17.140 Yeah, it's shocking that these individuals

00:55:19.960 from these municipalities just advocated

00:55:22.380 all their authority to Gillingham.

00:55:25.200 It's what they've done.

00:55:26.060 Like, they've all been snipped,

00:55:28.740 and Scott's running the whole show,

00:55:30.500 and these guys, like, I can't imagine...

00:55:32.840 Well, wait a minute. I mean, you say Scott's running the whole show, but what about these three provincial appointees?

00:55:36.760 What is their role exactly? Does anybody know?

00:55:39.600 Chair and the vice chair.

00:55:41.620 Yeah, I think there's... Go ahead, Marty.

00:55:45.020 And I think there's an Aboriginal representative, one of the... I just don't remember which band he's from.

00:55:49.800 Yeah, Blue Sky. Mr. Blue Sky.

00:55:51.440 Oh, yeah.

00:55:53.460 Mr. Blue Sky, please tell us why. I'm sorry, I had to. I had to.

00:55:58.760 No, but the way the provincial government controls it, they control the rules that allow these guys to operate, the power that has been given to them.

00:56:10.180 So they do control it, but after they end up with their advocating all the authority to this group of private citizens, basically, unelected for this role, then the way it ends up by giving Scott Gillingham majority rule, he ends up running it at the end.

00:56:34.640 But he only runs it by virtue of the fact that he's been given that power by section 21 of the bylaws that says if you have the most population, you're the winner.

00:56:45.660 You can do whatever you want.

00:56:46.800 Okay, so let's, you know, this baffles me because here, you know, I've got three pretty intrepid people here, guys.

00:56:53.420 For those of you watching this right now, Marty has been a reporter in Winnipeg for, what is it, like 40 years now?

00:57:00.520 I mean, you've been covering the city for 40 years off and on.

00:57:03.440 Ken, you have been a respected businessman in this town for a very long time.

00:57:07.900 You've got deep connections with the Progressive Conservative Party.

00:57:10.640 You know all kinds of people who operate behind the scenes.

00:57:13.800 Christine, you have been an advocate for quite some time as well.

00:57:16.620 You've been speaking at committees for the last few years.

00:57:19.720 You understand what's going on because you do your homework,

00:57:22.360 and you've got a team of people that provide you with information as well,

00:57:25.520 and they dig very deep.

00:57:27.880 And none of us, and so do I,

00:57:29.800 none of us can even come up with the first clue as to how this thing is running does that not

00:57:36.100 mystify and possibly frighten you guys a little bit absolutely they have a rule in their again

00:57:43.560 those bylaws they have a thing called closed meetings and they can they have a closed meeting

00:57:49.060 for any item that they feel that if the public gets word of it prior to them finalizing it that

00:57:55.640 they can call a closed meeting so there's no no scrutiny no trans no transparency nothing it's

00:58:00.780 actually in their bylaws that they can have a closed meeting if something is sensitive and the

00:58:05.200 public might not like it they don't want it coming out somehow through something other than like a

00:58:11.180 as a regular board meeting they can have a closed meeting fiddle around whatever they want and then

00:58:15.640 come up with something and then disclose it when it's too late for the public to really what's

00:58:19.900 crazy about i can what's crazy about that is that they they're kind of steering in between some laws

00:58:25.220 here like i don't even understand how they can do that because they're a corporation that's why

00:58:30.520 they can have it without anybody there but they still spend the public funds so it doesn't make

00:58:36.220 any sense usually what happens is that if you spend public funds it's public knowledge

00:58:40.300 but because they're a corporation then it's considered private so you don't have to share

00:58:46.140 that information so are they are they spending public funds and therefore public or are they

00:58:51.260 not spending public funds in the poor corporation things are not making sense we need some legal

00:58:59.020 minds on this one ken and i talked about this last night has anybody talked to any legal

00:59:04.500 representatives about any of this at all just yet christine i you'd probably be the first one that i

00:59:09.440 would ask on this yeah no i mean there's some there's none of us even like what like you hear

00:59:15.920 this is a funny thing right we can call a lawyer what are we going to tell him he can watch the

00:59:20.700 show, watch this show for the last

00:59:22.560 hour and then try and figure out what we're talking

00:59:24.680 about. I mean, there's so many

00:59:25.880 unanswered questions and loose ends in all this

00:59:28.620 and still things that we're finding out even

00:59:30.520 now. And Shadow, but

00:59:32.200 any lawyer that's worth their fault

00:59:34.680 is kind of not wanting

00:59:36.740 to bark around the government

00:59:38.400 because they get a lot of their

00:59:40.360 clients through governmental

00:59:42.540 stuff. Well, we saw that during COVID,

00:59:44.840 didn't we? And we also saw that with this

00:59:46.740 latest school

00:59:48.760 board stuff. Like, I just

00:59:50.480 i don't know we're sitting in a very funny situation and i love like what i love about

00:59:56.500 today is the number of people who showed up yes there were people from all over the place yes it

01:00:01.820 wasn't just from that region thank you farmers for showing up yeah uh estimated what i'm sorry

01:00:09.260 can't estimate about what four or five hundred marty you were saying earlier to me well you

01:00:14.020 know when i looked at that video uh me and woodstock in front of that crowd that was a lot of

01:00:21.080 people i i was told by one of the guards was 150 outside outside the room and it was it might have

01:00:27.260 been when they told me but by the time i was done there was like 250 i think maybe it could have

01:00:31.460 been 300 i mean i don't know they could have been out the door into the parking lot on the outside

01:00:36.720 inside the room about 220 yeah so we had like maybe over 500 which is good oh yeah

01:00:43.740 christine you're saying that you're very happy about the turnout today as am i as we all should

01:00:50.580 be that's what we need to do with the next one is that how we're going to get out of this in

01:00:55.420 your opinion um yeah i do think that that they for first um what is his name the the guy in

01:01:03.500 charge the chair what's his name again Michael Moore Michael Moore for him to have said it in

01:01:08.720 the way Halloween said it I mean yeah Michael Michael Moore okay so then the way he said it

01:01:14.520 the way that today he said that we need everybody to be able to speak their mind now let's let's

01:01:21.220 I don't always trust those kinds of things yes everybody's gonna have the right to speak their

01:01:25.700 mind that doesn't mean they're gonna have influence but you know what we did we got some

01:01:30.180 attention being paid everybody who showed up today at least tapped the shoulders of one other person

01:01:36.060 at least one other yeah we need that we can't sit here for 40 days this isn't lent guys that

01:01:43.080 we get excited for for easter this is this is putting your foot down and we've got a big hall

01:01:48.860 here we've got to get a hold of our am i wrong ken we've got to get a hold of it every LA we have to

01:01:55.880 because they don't understand what's happening.

01:01:58.440 You think the MLA,

01:01:59.660 the Progressive Conservative Party

01:02:01.980 is in tatters right now in this province.

01:02:03.940 I don't know if...

01:02:04.900 I got to talk to Conrad North today.

01:02:06.880 He was there.

01:02:08.280 Conrad was there.

01:02:09.960 He's a DMLA for Vita area.

01:02:13.300 I'm not sure what they call it.

01:02:15.560 They're not even a player right now.

01:02:17.320 The NDP is ruling this province

01:02:18.980 with an iron fist at the moment.

01:02:20.940 Marty, what do you think the media reaction

01:02:23.440 from this is going to be,

01:02:24.620 if there is one at all?

01:02:25.880 Well, let's just step back.

01:02:27.800 I have to step back.

01:02:29.460 Okay.

01:02:30.100 The chair is a bit of an abrasive character, I think,

01:02:33.260 and would agree that he comes across a little bit abrasive, right?

01:02:37.240 Yeah.

01:02:37.680 Yes.

01:02:39.160 Condescending, I would say.

01:02:40.900 He tried hard not to be abrasive when he made that announcement.

01:02:44.460 It seems to me that he might have gotten advice from his political masters,

01:02:48.380 and the province told him, may have instructed him, you know,

01:02:53.720 the region may not have caught on to what's going on but i almost wonder how much of

01:02:58.580 this is being directed from broadway with the chair uh in any event he said the right thing

01:03:05.280 uh i think there's going to be a thousand people at the next thing the media

01:03:11.160 was not there steinbeck online i guess had a camera i was there marion kloak was there i know

01:03:19.440 what i saw there was no group seeking publicity that's bullshit there was no radical extremism

01:03:27.940 there was no anti this or that except anti this plan the fact they have an health proper 0.83

01:03:35.860 consultations tells you it's a bad plan with bad things in it that's the only reason anybody needs

01:03:43.140 to oppose it moving forward and these characterizations that you didn't read it and

01:03:48.280 You know what? Once people try to hide it from you, once the bureaucrats try to obscure the real meaning, you go, hold on there.

01:03:56.060 I want to know what this is about. That's legitimate.

01:03:59.560 But instead, they expect everybody to be sheep because the planners said this.

01:04:05.880 Yeah, I agree. It's sustainable development. Come on.

01:04:11.620 Everybody. We all know that.

01:04:13.740 But, I mean, we're the ones who have been researching this for years,

01:04:17.120 and we know that stuff.

01:04:18.320 The normies out there don't.

01:04:20.000 And they're going to be swayed by the left-wing corporate media

01:04:23.060 and some of the politicians.

01:04:24.780 Let me ask you guys this.

01:04:25.620 I don't think the media is going to have a lot of influence on this one,

01:04:27.700 Shadow, compared to otherwise.

01:04:28.960 They're way behind the curve.

01:04:30.720 People are very awake to this because it affects their homes.

01:04:34.420 You know, their salaries aren't guaranteed by Trudeau

01:04:37.560 the way they are at certain media outlets here.

01:04:40.260 yeah well i've taken a grip among the middle class very quickly in winnipeg in my opinion

01:04:45.880 that's that's if they find out about it in time uh christine yes and can be sorry

01:04:52.460 i saw your hand go go ahead if scott or any of those reeves we have to remember who the

01:04:59.580 reeves are what that means is that that's the chair of that council so if they get voted out

01:05:05.800 of chair position do they are they still on that committee are they still on that corporation

01:05:12.940 if uh well they're elected as a counselor are they elected as a reef i don't understand your

01:05:18.840 question no no no no let's so all from those regions all the chair position right that's

01:05:26.100 or mayor is chair position of council all of them are from the surrounding areas and from the city

01:05:32.320 and they sit on the the corporation they sit on that board so if they get on the new election

01:05:40.000 are they still get to stay there no because they're appointed by their own they're appointed

01:05:46.740 by their own council okay so if they're if they're voted off the council then they won't go ahead but

01:05:52.020 that's not how it is right now they're now because it's a totally different thing because what you're

01:05:56.800 saying is that if they are then they technically are elected right no no it's not it's not like

01:06:02.640 that christine it's in in the uh planning amendment they talk about how who gets on the board of this

01:06:10.220 as a board of director each municipal council selects appoints one of their members to be that

01:06:17.500 person on the committee on the committee hey it's not a committee anymore though ken not the committee

01:06:23.680 they get picked to be a board of directors

01:06:25.500 on the board of directors, they're appointed

01:06:27.120 I can send you the quote

01:06:29.560 Christine, are you suggesting

01:06:31.560 that if somebody gets voted out of office

01:06:33.860 they could possibly

01:06:35.460 still hang on to their position

01:06:36.960 that's what I'm worried about

01:06:39.620 yes

01:06:40.040 that's not the case

01:06:42.940 but if they get voted out of office

01:06:44.680 I'll put it to you this way

01:06:47.960 this is way ahead of

01:06:49.260 way ahead of things

01:06:51.500 but

01:06:52.920 if this plan is no good for the citizens and residents of winnipeg for the businesses of

01:06:58.300 winnipeg no matter what kind of bs they try to spread through cjob and other outlets with their

01:07:02.640 spin from the wmr oh the bedroom communities are trying to help so let's say it's going to help

01:07:08.000 the bedroom communities and hurt the city of winnipeg mike collins suggested that gilliam

01:07:13.900 has all the referendum on this yeah that i wasn't kidding and in the course of four or five days

01:07:20.540 we're seeing that that's a more of a live ball than i really anticipated

01:07:24.480 because if it's bad for the city and the counselors don't even have to approve gilliam

01:07:30.740 accepting the plan i then then what's the point in even having a council in the first place

01:07:40.280 yeah yeah you don't need a council and as you say i mean like marty if they can have a referendum

01:07:47.660 them in the city over something ridiculous like opening portage and made to pedestrian foot

01:07:52.080 traffic then which is nothing really i mean who cares you know it's a minor traffic inconvenience

01:07:57.660 if you drive downtown but to this extent of you know trapping people into their own zones 50

01:08:03.600 have they pointed out to ken you've looked at this have they pointed out in this plant

01:08:07.240 how many different regions inside the city there would be like the edmonton one no they haven't

01:08:12.960 They haven't got that far yet.

01:08:14.320 They don't dare do that yet.

01:08:16.320 Like, they want to get a third reading.

01:08:18.200 Then it starts.

01:08:19.380 Like, we're not into the implementation part of this process.

01:08:23.780 We're only into the approval part.

01:08:26.480 This is a philosophical document.

01:08:29.940 Right.

01:08:30.640 There's nothing really concrete in it.

01:08:32.640 Were any of these people on the committee that were there at this meeting today,

01:08:39.000 when they saw all those people there,

01:08:40.340 do you think they were concerned by that turnout i think they all stole the underwear i think they

01:08:47.160 were very very concerned very upset with the whole thing they were scared nobody was happy to see it

01:08:52.420 no they were they were like looking at each other going what like because i think they were ready

01:08:57.300 for us but obviously they had no idea that of the magnitude of the blowback here because they were

01:09:03.260 these guys were worse than the first one they were kind of going oh my god like we thought we had

01:09:08.160 this thing we had security guards we had the rcmp and look this is this place is falling apart

01:09:13.040 right around this they just sorted these guys out with they called the rcmp i can't even believe

01:09:18.840 they called the rcmp like a bunch of concerned citizens who are maybe getting a little bit

01:09:25.540 ruly like they're not antifa they're not wearing masks they're not burning the place down that was

01:09:29.860 outrageous i needed to know about the procedure after they've just declared this so i needed to

01:09:35.060 know do i have to re-register in order to speak or what this procedure looked like and thank

01:09:39.760 goodness marty was there that's how we got to meet was because soon as when i walked up to

01:09:44.100 the remaining council that was up at the front security jumped in front of me as if i was going

01:09:49.300 to attack the chair i don't know but marty was able to ask that question for me but so a great

01:09:57.100 turnout for a mid-summer consultation session do you think in 40 days or between thanksgiving and

01:10:07.940 halloween we'll be able to get out twice as many people or even more is that a plan well i've got

01:10:13.000 a plan i mean we have a plan we've talked about it christine we've talked about it with uh mark

01:10:17.920 Olsen, Thierre, Ethel, we talked to all the people that are kind of around, Christine

01:10:26.400 as well, the one that did the UN speech last week, and I said that what we want to do is

01:10:32.260 hold 18 public hearings, one in each constituency, maybe more than one in Winnipeg, and have

01:10:38.840 a PowerPoint, do some advertising, get people from the community to get people out and tell

01:10:45.600 them what is what their elected representative their council have not told so we're going to

01:10:52.300 explain to them what this document is how it affects their lives how it could affect their

01:10:57.420 lives uh so we're going to inform hopefully uh everybody in the region and i think you know i

01:11:06.600 i can do you think that's feasible like is there enough time to do this i mean now that we've got

01:11:12.440 this 40-day extension that's awesome but it's like can we get this out there we're gonna do it

01:11:17.400 we're gonna do it it was 15 days i was planning on starting it tomorrow start to call people i've

01:11:23.180 already got well thanks to your show shadow i got a lot of calls from people and said how can i help

01:11:28.400 how can i help and so we've got two different people already looking for venues i said well

01:11:33.940 we need venues in your district if you can find places for us we'll we'll rent it wherever we

01:11:39.620 need to do that will appear in your area? You know, the best thing is, you know, when we've

01:11:44.160 got 17 of the 18 municipalities involved in this, they're rural, right? So we can do it in Bill's

01:11:49.120 barn. Doesn't matter. Basement, backyard. I mean, it's still summer and we've still got the good

01:11:55.140 weather. It doesn't need to be overly expensive, you know, a legion even. But I think that as the

01:12:03.960 more of these things happen, the larger the place we're going to need because people are going to

01:12:08.000 be concerned people talk right and the biggest thing the biggest thing we have

01:12:12.440 going for us is word of mouth I believe yeah and I think you know your your

01:12:18.380 suggestion of getting a flyer or some kind of paper got to get it all that

01:12:22.880 kind of stuff the 30-second introduction at the door we need that

01:12:27.020 you know need to get a coordinated sensible not violent approach to this

01:12:34.820 get people out and educate them, not indoctrinate them, educate them.

01:12:41.820 And I think we can get maybe 5,000 people out.

01:12:45.620 Like anybody I've talked to and you tell them what it's about,

01:12:49.220 they kind of go, no, it's real.

01:12:51.740 And they go, okay, we have to stop this.

01:12:54.460 And I've got people offering money to help.

01:12:56.340 Like I've got lots of people that are very concerned.

01:12:59.800 And if it takes money,

01:13:01.040 I think I can raise money from concerned citizens and clients and different people that see the problem here.

01:13:07.980 So we'll we'll do whatever we can.

01:13:11.460 But I don't think there'll be a problem in arranging 17.

01:13:14.460 There's a lot of people prepared to show up and do the do the I couldn't do it all myself, obviously.

01:13:20.740 But I could do four or five and I could do four or five and we'll get them all done.

01:13:24.320 We'll get them done.

01:13:24.920 now i've been hearing rumors that there's going to be some kind of a rally or a protest scheduled

01:13:30.600 for city hall i don't think that's a constructive thing at this time based upon the fact it's just

01:13:34.660 going to give the left-wing corporate media a little more ammunition to play with um and i i

01:13:39.660 don't see how 30 or 40 people standing outside city hall holding signs that say stop the smart

01:13:45.100 city or the 15-minute city it's going to help i mean we've i think that ship has sailed when it

01:13:49.600 came to the protests and all the things we've seen in the last three or four years now is the time

01:13:55.220 for education as you say kent christine i don't think you're going to convince uh the city i mean

01:14:01.100 out of all of these out of all of these groups that we're talking about the city's pretty woke

01:14:04.920 sorry right so that's what i say too i mean that so if we're able to bring down if if we're able to

01:14:11.580 to get say 10 or even three of these rms to drop out of this plan then i think some of the others

01:14:18.680 are going to start dropping out too selkirk already said that they did drop out of the plan

01:14:22.660 right they already said that they didn't want it they said that in the meeting on what on last week

01:14:28.280 thursday the ceo of selkirk said we don't want this we never voted for this that from my

01:14:38.500 understanding that was one out of the two m of the rms that said no so it's like it's being forced

01:14:45.080 but we the people need to empower them to have them all rejected we need to empower those those

01:14:51.340 reefs that sorry i'm actually elected to be on this committee board which i'm still kind of

01:14:58.160 weary on you're gonna have to send that you can but if they are elected to this four years later

01:15:05.100 that's what doesn't make sense four years later we can put in hopefully we can put in good people

01:15:11.740 into chair position and then that board if it's done the way you say it can then that board

01:15:17.420 totally changes and if this were to go through that's when they can get it out based on the

01:15:24.620 wording uh like so yeah we have to understand they were legislated into this thing so they

01:15:30.400 didn't have a chance to say no but there are things within this i mean even common sense so

01:15:36.780 Let's say five – and so, again, Maggie Hope, Braun, I was talking to her on, I think, on your show, Shadow,

01:15:43.500 and she was saying that you start on the outskirts of the area, and that's where you go first

01:15:50.480 and try to convince the residents to stand up, go see their counselors.

01:15:57.060 They're all friends.

01:15:57.720 They all know them.

01:15:59.000 And say, you know what?

01:15:59.860 You can't be doing this.

01:16:01.700 And then one guy, I talked to somebody today, and he said to us, five counselors, three were in favor, two were against it.

01:16:10.980 So that's close already.

01:16:13.180 So two are against it.

01:16:14.800 If you could convince one more, that's all you need is one more.

01:16:18.220 How can there be anybody for this if they know about it, if they've actually read the plan?

01:16:22.980 Okay, guys, I've got to wrap up, but we're all on board with this.

01:16:26.300 Ken, Marty, Christine, thank you for coming on the show tonight.

01:16:29.620 and ken i know that you're gonna probably don't want to be but you're going to be the point man

01:16:34.660 on this going forward i'm sorry but we've chosen you you're the man that's it you're the guy uh

01:16:42.100 marty i know that you're going to help as best you can with actionline.ca and the great canadian

01:16:47.060 talk show christine i know you're always digging christine is the one who sends me texts on friday

01:16:52.340 night at 11 o'clock hey shadow did you hear about this here read this 15 page document that i've

01:16:57.620 I've just sent you at 11 o'clock on a Friday night.

01:17:00.180 That's Christine.

01:17:00.560 Don't get irritated when you say my nickname, though.

01:17:02.920 I know it's hard to tell your irritation.

01:17:05.980 Thanks, you guys, for coming on tonight.

01:17:07.920 Really appreciate you taking the time, and we'll talk to you again soon.

01:17:10.900 All right, guys.

01:17:11.900 Marty, Christine, Ken, Winnipeg 2050 plan,

01:17:16.440 with a great turnout in Neverville today,

01:17:20.080 500 maybe more people postponing this meeting

01:17:25.140 so that they have to reschedule within 40 days.

01:17:28.320 Marty Gold thinks it's going to happen

01:17:29.980 between Thanksgiving and Halloween.

01:17:31.800 We'll see what happens.

01:17:33.480 We don't know.

01:17:34.820 But we do know that we, more than ever now,

01:17:38.700 we have got very concerned people

01:17:40.520 who are going to be working towards

01:17:42.520 trying to get us out of this.

01:17:45.100 And if that means to you just showing up,

01:17:48.400 that's what you do.

01:17:49.500 Bring a friend.

01:17:50.820 If it means sending an email or a letter

01:17:52.740 to your counselor,

01:17:53.980 be it town or city

01:17:55.700 then that's what you do. You're MLA

01:17:58.140 then that's what you do. And one more

01:18:00.160 thing that I want to add on

01:18:02.120 here that you guys may not know

01:18:04.280 is that

01:18:06.380 Brandon is trying

01:18:08.120 this again. The city

01:18:10.100 of Brandon tried this for the very first time last

01:18:12.220 year in the spring of last year and they were

01:18:14.120 their meetings, their healthy city

01:18:16.080 Brandon city plan meetings were

01:18:17.880 apparently according to the left wing corporate

01:18:20.020 media in Brandon, hijacked by

01:18:22.140 a bunch of right-wing extremists well um they tried it again earlier this year and their meeting

01:18:29.880 were were hijacked by a bunch of right-wing extremists so they're going to be trying again

01:18:33.980 and the date for this is august the 19th this is brandon now and probably all of the areas around

01:18:41.940 brandon and here's what they say in their literature in the healthy city plan as a healthy

01:18:47.780 city brandon cares about providing various types of housing for all residents health and wellness

01:18:52.400 of residents equity woke that is critical race theory right there that is the wef that is the

01:19:00.920 un wording right there i don't know if these people even know that but we do equity inclusivity

01:19:09.940 and reconciliation that my friends is all you need to know about what this plan really is

01:19:18.160 august 19th seven o'clock city hall brandon if you live in that area or if you live in that city

01:19:24.860 i suggest that you attend and bring a whole bunch of your friends with you coming up on the extension

01:19:32.220 tonight a killer has been released from prison in british columbia after serving one year of a

01:19:39.860 three to four year sentence a guy guilty of manslaughter was sentenced to three or four

01:19:47.120 years in prison if you can believe it and we'll tell you about more more about that in the

01:19:51.480 extension also some brand new footage put up on x today of thomas crooks the man who tried to kill

01:19:59.120 donald trump remember that i know it seems like a long time ago but he tried to call kill donald

01:20:04.020 trump like a month ago new footage just released today that shows a police officer being hoisted to

01:20:10.360 the roof of the building that thomas crooks was laying on as he was getting set to shoot trump

01:20:16.900 this police officer who interrupted crooks seconds before he started shooting we have video of that

01:20:24.000 we're going to play for you in the extension tonight if you're an all-access member on shadow

01:20:29.040 davis.com if not i will catch you again monday well maybe sunday night for a half an hour or so

01:20:35.260 that's what i'm going to do sunday night we'll do a half hour on social and then the rest will be

01:20:39.180 on shadow davis.com for all access members so back again sunday night at eight o'clock i'm off

01:20:44.560 the next couple of days i love you all i appreciate you all and i will be back again on sunday night

01:20:51.820 but in two minutes for all access pass holders for the extension on shadow davis.com i'll see you

01:20:58.260 We'll see you soon.

01:21:28.260 We'll be right back.

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The Shadoe Davis Show - August 09, 2024

Aug. 8th⧸2024- Public Meeting for Winnipeg's 15 Min City Postponed, New footage of Trump shooter

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