The Shadoe Davis Show - Aug. 7th.2024- Winnipeg 20⧸50 plan revealed with Ken Lee, Is your city next？

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00:04:16.160 good evening everybody and welcome to shadow at night this is wednesday august the 7th 2024

00:04:29.840 on the show tonight winnipeg community leader ken lee long-time businessman 10-year cfo with

00:04:35.520 the progressive conservative party of manitoba joins the show he has been digging into this

00:04:40.640 winnipeg 2050 planned for the past few weeks now ever since he first heard of it and that wasn't

00:04:46.960 long ago i mean he was he was surprised as anybody when this thing first came out and what it entails

00:04:53.920 and where it comes from there's all these questions that we'll try to answer for you

00:04:58.560 uh as much as we can anyway tonight on the show and ken is unearthing more and more stuff every

00:05:03.440 single day that goes by we've gotten we got in touch last week and we've been keeping in touch

00:05:08.800 about this uh pretty much daily for the last week or so so ken is going to join the show in just a

00:05:14.880 couple of minutes we're going to talk more about this yes in my opinion this is a 15 minute city

00:05:20.480 plan and it could be coming soon to a city or municipality near you so you might want to start

00:05:26.480 looking for something like this now the interesting thing about these particular plans is that they're

00:05:32.800 called something different in every different municipality there's over 400 of them 400

00:05:39.360 municipalities across the country that are involved in this we'll try and get maggie hope brawn on in

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00:07:04.920 well this is the board of directors actually the winnipeg municipal or sorry the winnipeg

00:07:10.080 metropolitan region board of directors we're going to get into all of this in just a second

00:07:15.020 Let's bring on Ken Lee. He is a long-time, very well-respected businessman in the city of Winnipeg.

00:07:22.300 He is an advocate for truth and transparency.

00:07:26.760 And Ken, you've been following this, I guess, ever since it first came out.

00:07:31.400 Can you explain how you came across this in the first place?

00:07:34.640 yeah i i received a uh an email and uh there was an attachment to it which which had a had a link

00:07:44.640 to the uh plan 2050 and so i clicked on it and then i came onto this 144 page document

00:07:55.300 um and i started reading it and i'm going well what what is this and where did it come from and

00:08:02.160 So after about an hour sort of paging through this thing, I finally started to look for some clues in the body of this document.

00:08:15.700 And I started going backwards to try to figure out, OK, so how did it get this far this quick and where did it originate?

00:08:23.000 So the first thing I talked about was the amendment to the Planning Act.

00:08:28.520 And that's where I started.

00:08:30.220 So I went back to there, and I've been digging ever since then.

00:08:34.000 So this is the Provincial Planning Act.

00:08:35.660 Let me ask you, when you first saw this and you were actually able to leave through it,

00:08:39.140 and as you say, it's a very long document.

00:08:41.020 I've got 159 pages here, but that's with all of the pictures.

00:08:45.740 And they do make it so that you kind of fall asleep halfway through.

00:08:49.380 I think it's designed that way.

00:08:51.000 Did your blood run cold when you read this?

00:08:55.440 Initially, when I got to, you get to the first part,

00:08:58.840 which is kind of like a real happy sort of pictures of the river and different things.

00:09:06.620 And then I read our objectives align with the UN, the 2030 UN agenda for sustainable development goals.

00:09:19.920 And I went, whoa, what the heck is that doing in the document for Winnipegers?

00:09:24.440 But why are they talking about the UN in like the first four pages of this document?

00:09:30.640 And that was a real, that was the first thing that I better start figuring this out because

00:09:36.820 we all know what the sustainable development triggers, based on the UN website, you know

00:09:44.320 exactly what this means, which is 15-minute fittings, your freedoms being taken away,

00:09:53.320 vehicles being gas-fueled, and the other thing that hit me almost immediately was the discussion

00:10:00.460 of climate change.

00:10:02.000 So what's a planning act?

00:10:04.320 What's a plan for the future for land use and transportation needs?

00:10:13.500 All of a sudden, talking about climate change, it turns out climate change is the entire

00:10:18.320 framework upon which this document was prepared.

00:10:20.840 so the capital planning region operates and and this is what it says in their document page six

00:10:27.460 operates is the winnipeg metropolitan region the regional planning bylaw applies to the wmr again

00:10:35.000 that's the winnipeg metropolitan region member municipalities including the city of winnipeg

00:10:40.220 selkirk neverville stonewall village of donatar i'm not sure if i'm saying that properly

00:10:46.220 Rural Municipalities of Carchet, East St. Paul, Headingley, MacDonald, Richo, Rockwood, Rosser, Springfield, St. Andrew, St. Clement, St. Francis, Tachet, and West St. Paul.

00:10:58.940 So in all, there are 18 different municipalities in on this, and each one of those municipalities has got a representative on the board of directors, plus four provincial appointees.

00:11:12.040 Do you know anything about how these people were appointed to this board?

00:11:17.820 And who created this board in the first place?

00:11:19.680 Where does it come from?

00:11:21.080 Yeah, so that's where I got to the amendment to the Planning Act of Winnipeg.

00:11:28.280 And in May of 21, under the PC government, they amended the Planning Act.

00:11:36.560 and when they did it the major amendment was done to create a region as opposed to a city

00:11:44.380 so this has been done across the country I checked in Edmonton Calgary they did it a little

00:11:50.840 different in Manitoba because in those other some of the other jurisdictions I understand they

00:11:55.560 started to amalgamate the municipalities into one or two so they take three municipalities put into

00:12:01.660 one and they kept on getting these these areas bigger in manitoba in winnipeg they just created

00:12:09.020 the capital region and they legislated that these 18 the thing that you just read you just read

00:12:16.380 their shadow they they legislated 18 communities to be part of the capital region so that's that's

00:12:23.420 where it started and then from there it really started getting kind of crazy because it talked

00:12:28.940 about a private corporation a private corporation that's legislated and given a mandate and so it

00:12:38.060 talks about that the capital planning region slash wmr is a private corporation without shareholders

00:12:47.100 so like a non-profit and then the very next line it says this uh planning region will not be subject

00:12:54.460 to any of the rules under the Corporations Act.

00:13:00.160 They're not answerable to anybody, Ken?

00:13:02.880 No, they're not following the rules.

00:13:05.800 So every corporation in Manitoba

00:13:07.720 has to follow the 77-page Manitoba Corporations Act.

00:13:13.200 It's called the Corporations Act now.

00:13:15.320 And there's all the, you know, everything's in there

00:13:16.880 from, you know, just a way a corporation

00:13:20.200 has to operate to maintain its legal status.

00:13:24.460 This particular corporation, it says, is exempt from the from the from the rules that apply to all corporations in Manitoba.

00:13:34.060 I'm not sure what that means.

00:13:35.400 I'm not sure exactly what particular sections they don't abide to, but you don't have to abide to any based on the fact that they're exempt from it, which is really strange.

00:13:45.160 like why would they be exempt why would the government say you don't even have to follow

00:13:50.000 you're going to be incorporated but you don't have to follow the rules of corporations in the

00:13:54.340 province so we've got a representative from each one of the 18 municipalities involved in the

00:14:02.740 winnipeg metropolitan region including there are four appointees let me bring them up on the screen

00:14:08.540 here for everybody to see you've got the wmr chair who is michael moore and he's a provincial

00:14:15.820 employee what do we know about this fellow michael moore has been around for a long time

00:14:22.060 in these types of roles uh not like not government exact government but offshoots like ngos non

00:14:28.700 governmental organizations i first i think i first ran into michael in 99 maybe with the pan am games

00:14:36.540 he was a worked on the staff i was on the board as a volunteer he was he had a fairly significant

00:14:44.300 role i think in the pan american games in 99 then he resurfaced uh i might miss some of his positions

00:14:52.380 but as the uh the guy the ceo for restaurants in manitoba mantel restaurant association

00:14:59.980 and then later he was with the home builders association in a similar ceo role

00:15:04.780 and then he's i think then he becomes part of the uh w uh mr so he he might have had some other

00:15:15.540 positions in between those are the three that i remember the pan and games restaurant association

00:15:20.840 home builders so he's a board jumper that's that's his role he goes around sharing boards

00:15:25.900 that he has nothing real to do with no stake in the game yeah like he would be a classic

00:15:33.600 bureaucrat, non-government

00:15:36.020 bureaucrat, I guess, that would

00:15:37.400 get him, he would know

00:15:39.500 how meetings should be run, he would know

00:15:42.040 all those things that it's necessary

00:15:43.820 to be an executive director of

00:15:45.960 one of these non-profit organizations.

00:15:47.980 Okay, then we've got the vice chair, who

00:15:50.000 is Elizabeth Safdiuk.

00:15:52.160 Have you ever run across her

00:15:53.960 in the past? I have not.

00:15:56.380 Okay. What about

00:15:58.020 this one, Chief Gordon Blusky?

00:16:00.280 Is he the guy who tried to shut you down during

00:16:01.980 your presentation a couple of weeks ago i i don't know if he was the guy or not uh i i did meet one

00:16:09.820 of the guys jim bear was also at that meeting and he is in the brochure and uh i met jim at the

00:16:17.700 during the pan american games we were on the board together but i don't know mr blue sky i don't know

00:16:21.860 okay we've got the city of wood yeah i think there's only three appointees right now they

00:16:28.300 can have they can expand that to what they could get one more if they wanted to have four but they

00:16:32.640 only have have three right now those three at the top of the page there you got the mayor of

00:16:36.980 neverville you've got a counselor from selkirk you've got the mayor of winnipeg in this there's

00:16:41.400 the mayor of stonewall the mayor of how do i say this dunnatar yeah i think so yeah i you know what

00:16:50.120 i'm sorry guys if you're if you live in that uh village i don't i'm not familiar with it somehow

00:16:55.720 I don't know how.

00:16:58.080 There's only 998 people in that particular village.

00:17:02.220 Okay.

00:17:02.900 The RM of Cartier, the Reeve is Krista Van Mitchell.

00:17:06.080 All of these people are on this board voluntarily, I'm assuming.

00:17:08.900 You've got the mayor of East St. Paul, Carla Devlin.

00:17:12.760 The mayor of Headingley, Jim Robson.

00:17:15.560 You've got the Reeve of MacDonald, Brad Erb.

00:17:18.640 The deputy mayor of Richo, Shane Peltier.

00:17:22.060 the Reeve of Rockwood, Wes Taplin, the Reeve of Rosser, Ken Mulligan, the Mayor of St. Andrews,

00:17:31.120 Joy Soule, the Mayor of Springfield, Patrick Therrien, the Reeve of St. Clements, Debbie

00:17:38.620 Feckelkorn, the Reeve of St. Francis, Delmer Knott, the Mayor of Taché, Armand Poirier,

00:17:47.140 and the mayor of West St. Paul, Peter Trugan.

00:17:51.600 So each of these areas has only one representative on this board,

00:17:57.380 including the largest one, which is the city of Winnipeg,

00:18:00.500 representing 785,000 or 800,000 people as compared to the rest of them combined,

00:18:06.440 representing 125,000 people.

00:18:09.040 You were telling me something, Ken, about these board members

00:18:15.720 who were also council members in their own districts

00:18:18.560 being told to not talk about this

00:18:22.380 with any members of their community,

00:18:24.920 not even other councillors.

00:18:27.680 What have you found out about that?

00:18:29.940 Well, it's actually in their rules.

00:18:35.620 There's a set of bylaws that the WMR has

00:18:38.800 when they became active in April of 2023.

00:18:42.860 They have a set of bylaws that they put in place that should actually just reflect the rules that were given to them through the legislation when they amended the Planning Act.

00:18:58.860 But they added a couple extra things to there that I was sorting out today.

00:19:04.060 And so these individuals were appointed by their own councils.

00:19:10.220 So their councils would have picked one person from their council to sit on this as a board, as a director.

00:19:19.220 And they would be, normally it looks like it's almost all mayors.

00:19:23.000 So the mayors all did it.

00:19:23.940 I think there's one or two councillors, but they're mostly, the mayors picked themselves, I guess, to sit on this committee.

00:19:31.800 So this has been discussed at the council level in all of these municipalities.

00:19:37.580 Do you know, or is it still a hush-hush thing?

00:19:40.220 I think it's a hush-hush thing.

00:19:43.240 We've been able to talk to or approach a few of the different councillors

00:19:50.080 that people have known that I've come across, and they said,

00:19:53.080 well, I know that guy, so we'll go talk to them, ask them what's going on.

00:19:55.740 They all say the same thing.

00:19:57.780 We do not know what's going on at those board meetings.

00:20:00.880 And one of the people who was on the board actually said,

00:20:03.940 this is anecdotal, said that we were told not to disclose

00:20:08.280 to our fellow board members back in our own municipality exactly what's being talked about

00:20:14.280 in the board meetings for the WMR. In fact, like I said earlier, it's actually in here where it says

00:20:22.440 during the public hearings that the appointee as a director to the WMR should not discuss this

00:20:33.820 with anybody with anybody even i guess their wife but or husband but they it's it's it's just a

00:20:42.300 series when you go through their rules it's a series of censorships everywhere they're trying

00:20:46.580 to quiet this guy down and this guy can't talk in their own meetings if they censor you have to

00:20:52.340 apologize and you have to be quiet as soon as they say you're out of order the rules are you

00:20:57.020 have to stop talking and be quiet until you apologize like this it's crazy stuff in here

00:21:02.680 like i i was like kindergarten or what like so what are the most egregious areas of this

00:21:11.020 document here i'm just kind of flipping through it right now do you have any page numbers that

00:21:15.040 you want to bring up uh what document are you looking at the plan the actual plan i've got

00:21:20.920 the data here it's the winnipeg metro region.ca data plan i think you need to start if i was

00:21:26.660 going to start discussing this with somebody i would start with the planning act because

00:21:30.140 just that's where they develop all their all their power and authority so when once you have

00:21:38.760 this this background from the from the amendments to the planning act then everything that's in the

00:21:43.620 plan oh yeah i can see they can do that because they're they're they were given this right through

00:21:47.480 the through the province right so the so the first egregious thing of course to me was the fact that

00:21:52.780 it was a private corporation like where in a world you get a situation where you have a private

00:21:58.360 corporation of a group of appointed people not elected to be on that particular position as a

00:22:06.500 board member. Ken, do we know who exactly appointed these people to this board? Was it Wob Canoe? Was

00:22:12.340 it Brian Pallister? Because you pointed out earlier that this was under Pallister's watch.

00:22:16.620 This was initiated under Pallister's regime. I think initially it was, but the thing never got

00:22:23.200 passed until after heather took over so heather stevenson was the was the premier at the time it

00:22:28.720 got actually passed and i think if you look in there in the document it talks about the founding

00:22:34.280 members they're all gone so i'm going to assume i'll just make this assumption i could be wrong

00:22:41.020 i'm not sure but i think the appointees that were there under palacer probably were replaced

00:22:46.060 once the election happened i'm just guessing at that but there's three or four people listed

00:22:51.560 and i think the executive director wants to thank the or the yeah executive director wants to thank

00:22:58.260 the previous members of the board for all their work in getting the thing started um but whose

00:23:04.120 work i mean who who created this thing in the first place who is who did the province

00:23:11.120 i know what you mean but like we talk about the province are we talking about one person in

00:23:16.600 particular a group of people a part of the government one certain ministry a level of

00:23:22.400 bureaucracy i mean we can say the province all we want right but i mean do we know exactly

00:23:28.740 yeah i don't think we actually know an individual who who would have done the things that you're

00:23:34.240 saying so if i had to guess initially it would have been brian palliser's administration that

00:23:39.480 got the thing rolling and i can back up to that point because when that capital region

00:23:45.380 plan was set up initially there was some of my clients were invited to some of the founding

00:23:51.560 meetings to discuss what this thing was going to do and the only thing that was discussed as far

00:23:57.120 as i know was the transportation transportation quarters they didn't talk about about population

00:24:03.320 density or climate change or any of that kind of stuff what they were talking about was

00:24:08.660 transportation uh to move products and and goods through the city in a more efficient fashion

00:24:15.960 so when when that my client said to me that's what they were talking about i said well

00:24:21.120 that doesn't really make any sense because right now the city is doing everything they can to slow

00:24:27.440 transportation down through the city i mean they've got you know they got one city councillor

00:24:32.700 uh janice luke's in fort richmond area there and she wants to make the entire speed limit in her

00:24:40.300 whole riding 30 kilometers an hour and then you've got building bike lanes on major thoroughfares

00:24:46.060 you got them on stradbrook you got them on river goulay marion these are these are very they're

00:24:50.780 not main thoroughfares but they're the thoroughfares that are used to get to work in the

00:24:55.740 morning and get home and now they've they've got big bike lanes that aren't even being used even

00:25:02.060 in the summertime so instead of i mean going through and saying we have to fix the transportation

00:25:07.260 corridors you should start by getting rid of all those bike lanes move the bike lanes to where the

00:25:11.820 sidewalks are and let the people share the bike lanes with the bikes because there's so few bikes

00:25:17.420 anyhow and let the cars back on the road and the trucks so this whole concept when it started with

00:25:23.580 transportation i'm saying well the city's doing everything they can to make transportation more

00:25:28.940 difficult they didn't clean the streets this winter the streets were the worst shape i've

00:25:33.020 ever seen there was ruts on portage avenue so so let's look at let's look at this part here this

00:25:40.380 is this is the part that's got a lot of people upset and as you were pointing out earlier this

00:25:47.340 is all about the climate change agenda the un uh sustainable development goal so uh section 1.8.2

00:25:55.100 to guide regional transportation planning the winnipeg metropolitan whatever the group will

00:26:02.500 lead regional transportation master planning which at minimum identifies where possible to

00:26:07.000 implement regional transportation options including regional transit blah blah blah blah blah mixed

00:26:12.780 use nodes develops and strengthens a regional network of active transportation infrastructure

00:26:18.420 considers future technology such as zero emission vehicles and autonomous vehicles

00:26:23.400 and then they start talking about limiting access to certain roadways based upon what kind of car

00:26:32.620 you're driving yes that is part of the plan yes like the bad words in here are are fossil fuel

00:26:42.600 vehicles single occupancy gas fuel vehicles is a term they use in there now the other and you said

00:26:50.540 this thing is cumbersome to read, they actually have a three-page glossary in order to understand

00:26:56.820 all the new words they made up. There's a ton of new words that I've never heard of.

00:27:00.620 I had to flip to them. There's a thing called green lands and brown lands, and there's single

00:27:05.280 occupancy homes. They want to get rid of those. Those are a bad thing because of the population

00:27:10.500 density. So this thing, the transportation thing, the critical things there are the mixed-use 1.00

00:27:18.300 modes of transportation 50 of all your transportation modes will be walking and

00:27:24.600 bikes called active transportation 50 and then the rest will be shared unless you have an electric

00:27:31.300 vehicle or one of the lucky few to have a gas fueled vehicle and as we all know that's going

00:27:37.280 to go down real well in this part of the world when it's january february december when it's

00:27:42.680 minus 35 for three straight weeks and then we get a break and it goes up to minus 30 yeah yeah they

00:27:48.840 don't i don't think whoever okay when you act and you said ask before who where did this thing

00:27:53.820 get started it was actually written by a city planner from calgary he's probably the same guy

00:28:00.200 that wrote the plans for edmonton and and calgary as well so obviously when you when i read this

00:28:06.280 thing the first time i'm going if this was written by somebody from manitoba he would have been

00:28:10.920 considering the minus 30 and minus 35 which is the first thing you and i think about

00:28:15.080 to ride a bike in minus 35 and on icy roads uh that doesn't seem to be even a possibility in this

00:28:22.260 uh document they don't mention it they don't mention the temperatures in december january

00:28:27.240 february well i'm thinking that the person that wrote this would have been from florida because

00:28:32.500 it still gets pretty cold in alberta not for as long and maybe not as cold in alberta but it's

00:28:37.780 still cold enough uh that they don't have people riding bikes in january i'll tell you that and

00:28:42.440 like you see those people with the big rubber tires on their bikes wearing the goggles and 0.96

00:28:47.180 the mask and all that i mean i think those people are morons but i mean that's only that's only my

00:28:52.840 opinion yeah i'm looking for this area because i put it up on a facebook post today so i i put a 0.81

00:29:02.480 facebook post up today and it was getting shared like crazy and um people were telling me that they

00:29:12.500 couldn't share it facebook was taking it down because it went against community standards and

00:29:17.740 i i was trying to figure out what community standards did we breach here i have absolutely

00:29:22.480 no clue what they're even talking about it's just censorship shadow i think that's what it is

00:29:28.240 but i have here uh something from our friend christine ronceray down in the southern part

00:29:35.520 of the province and she tells me that this document she sent me and this may be part of

00:29:41.080 the joining uh amendment she says it's on page 101 of the document itself the uh pdf here the

00:29:48.240 winnipeg metro region plan uh she says oh transition period conformity

00:29:54.460 plan 2050 will be effective immediately once adopted by the winnipeg metropolitan region

00:30:04.380 board of directors as per the planning act which is what you were referencing earlier

00:30:09.260 municipalities and planning districts will update their development plan bylaws secondary plan

00:30:15.960 bylaws and zoning bylaws to conform to this plan 2050 within three years of the date when plan 2050

00:30:23.800 comes into force. On or after the day Plan 2050 is adopted, municipalities will not approve or

00:30:32.400 give conditional approval to a subdivision or any other development that is inconsistent with Plan

00:30:37.660 2050. Consulting with WMR on proposed changes to development plan bylaws, secondary plan bylaw,

00:30:45.000 and zoning bylaw. So in other words, every one of these municipalities has to consult with this

00:30:50.120 board before they can approve anything and then enforcement if they don't municipalities and

00:30:57.740 planning districts will administer and enforce local bylaws and plans under the planning act

00:31:02.580 again if the wmr board of directors determines that a member municipality is proposing to take

00:31:08.960 or has taken an action that conflicts or is inconsistent with the regional plan the wmr

00:31:15.020 board of directors may by written notice require the action in question be stopped within the time

00:31:21.220 set out in the notice if the municipality fails or refuses to comply the wmr board of directors

00:31:28.800 may apply to the court of king's bench for an injunction or other order which may apply at the

00:31:34.620 discretion of the court be granted or refused what it's insane so basically the the 17 well i guess

00:31:44.340 the 18 municipalities will not have any jurisdiction or authority to change

00:31:51.320 bylaws or to make a change or a variance that doesn't fit the regional plan.

00:31:58.140 So I'm not sure why you need councillors any longer.

00:32:01.760 What else are they going to do?

00:32:03.060 Like they're not like they,

00:32:04.640 when you look at their minutes of their meetings,

00:32:06.060 they're talking about,

00:32:06.900 you know,

00:32:07.200 somebody in an infraction on this bylaw or that bylaw,

00:32:10.800 or some guy wants to get a variance to put a garage on his property that's what they deal with

00:32:16.080 and all of a sudden the rules are not no longer made by them they're made by this the regional

00:32:22.240 group and something that applies in the city of winnipeg would not necessarily apply in selker or

00:32:30.000 in springfield or mcdonald so the whole like if i was a counselor and i'm reading this i'm going so

00:32:37.200 why are we joining this group we're giving up all our authority we're we're like useless here

00:32:44.080 to support greenhouse gas mitigation and advanced low carbon transportation options

00:32:49.520 the winnipeg metropolitan region will pursue strategies and options that identify potential

00:32:55.920 zero emission vehicle charging refueling corridors and identify opportunities to install and align

00:33:01.440 supporting infrastructure so what have we got in this act ken that talks about um gas vehicles

00:33:10.040 being restricted for travel on the highways and byways in this area yeah it's spread out a little

00:33:17.140 bit it's not all in one spot i picked it up in different areas of the uh of the document but

00:33:22.360 basically uh single occupancy vehicles like your regular car and that's as compared to a shared

00:33:30.980 transportation what they call it mobility or some crazy terminology for but a bus versus a car

00:33:40.480 bus good car bad if it's if it's if it's electric good anywhere but if it's gas fueled we have too

00:33:47.960 many we have too many vehicles uh gas fueled vehicles and that's what's causing the climate

00:33:52.740 change in the in the transportation plan by the city which was put up the same day a different

00:33:57.940 document it's confusing they have a big pie chart and the pie chart shows 37 percent of carbon

00:34:04.860 emission carbon dioxide emission that comes from cars and then it's got trucks 24 and then other

00:34:11.640 things so the the city of winnipeg they said 37 that's the worst it's the biggest angle the biggest

00:34:19.340 chunk of the pie is vehicles so obviously they're bad gotta get rid of them and i'm not sure where

00:34:25.140 i read this but it said that they their goal was to get rid of 60 percent yeah of gas field vehicles

00:34:32.540 i've read i don't have read that somewhere or in this document or somewhere else but

00:34:36.560 that would be one of the un sort of sort of goals that would be attempting to achieve

00:34:42.780 so this is not going to happen all at once just so everybody is clear on on this they're not going

00:34:49.740 to suddenly want you know the next day after this thing gets approved they're not going to say your

00:34:54.120 car is going to be impounded because it uses uh gas or diesel it's going to be a slow rollout

00:35:01.640 it's still going to happen that's part of the plan but the language is flowery and when you

00:35:07.000 read the document you really have to go through it and almost read between the lines and of course

00:35:11.320 it's designed that way what about land use ken when we talk about land use you were talking

00:35:16.760 about your own personal property and me the other day i thought that was a great example

00:35:20.280 Yeah. So the land use thing is based on population density. So they have targets. And in this document, if you spend a lot of time on the pictures, on all the maps and things, you get a lot more information, a lot more detail.

00:35:37.220 pretty much you know i'm an accountant and i know numbers are numbers and you can't really

00:35:41.760 you know change a number so if it's a number you can sort of read it and say their target

00:35:47.520 ultimate maximum density 370 people per acre and 250 people per acre in other zones is acceptable

00:36:01.140 but one person per acre is not acceptable so I worked out some numbers on that like what's the

00:36:08.940 current situation in Manitoba there's 160 million acres in our province and of that total we have

00:36:16.300 1.3 to 1.4 million people so right now each person has about 114 acres each but we obviously

00:36:27.620 we don't need 114 acres each so where's all the excess land going well it's parks beaches uh

00:36:34.500 fishing places personal property i mean let's let's be honest you have golf courses that kind

00:36:43.440 of thing right yeah all that kind of stuff so one of the reasons that manitoba is such a great place

00:36:49.020 to live is just that we have so much space we have space so why would we want to cram people into

00:36:53.860 little uh ghettos you know they call you know community complete communities now and not 15 0.96

00:37:02.100 minute cities what would you do people don't want to live people like their yard they like to go sit

00:37:07.540 and have a barbecue or cut their they cut in their grass and enjoying a little garden and things like

00:37:12.560 that outside well this does not fit into the plan this is a waste of space people should be

00:37:18.300 occupying it i mean they go as far as to suggest that if you're if you live in your house by

00:37:22.820 yourself like i do you would have to bring people to live with you i'm not sure who who who gets

00:37:29.620 designated to come and live with me but i don't want anybody here that's why i'm i'm kind of happy

00:37:33.740 living here by myself yeah that that's it's in there that's part of this plan is to increase

00:37:39.740 the density so that is the craziest part of this thing and this also is going to affect the people

00:37:46.880 in the rural areas in the the rural municipalities they're going to have to have different density

00:37:51.900 And I think a lot of the individual councils are fighting with this.

00:37:58.020 You know, should a lot be one acre or two acres?

00:38:01.360 Well, they're talking about, yeah, one acre.

00:38:03.480 You can have like 250 people on it if it's properly populated.

00:38:10.040 So let me ask you, this document, the wording of it, does it talk about existing structures and lands?

00:38:18.640 or is this exclusive to new developments?

00:38:24.380 There's lots of infill.

00:38:26.200 There has to be infill in this type of plan.

00:38:31.480 And I don't know if you remember this,

00:38:32.880 but maybe a year ago or so when Gillingham announced

00:38:35.980 that he jumped over all the normal processes

00:38:41.040 and he passed an ordinance or a bylaw

00:38:44.920 where they would allow four-story apartments

00:38:47.800 on all the major thoroughfares.

00:38:50.420 And the councillors were extremely upset

00:38:52.660 because they didn't go through the proper channels.

00:38:54.380 It just got put in.

00:38:56.120 And so immediately that was put in.

00:38:58.080 Now, if you want to build a four-story,

00:39:00.140 so what's happening, these developers, small developers,

00:39:03.300 would go get three or four houses or four houses together,

00:39:06.240 buy them all up, and then put in an application

00:39:09.020 to put a four-story walk-up on one of these spots.

00:39:13.240 And a lot went up in the north end, I'm aware of.

00:39:16.320 And probably, if you're driving through St. Bonham and some other areas,

00:39:19.920 you'll also see these small apartment blocks just popping up.

00:39:24.060 You don't have to wait a year and a half to go through planning

00:39:26.680 because it's all been approved, pre-approved by a magical wave of a wand by the mayor.

00:39:34.580 So what about land expropriation?

00:39:38.240 Is there any talk about expropriation here?

00:39:41.000 Yeah, so in the Planning Act, it talks about the powers that are given to them from the province.

00:39:51.020 So the first part of the discussion on power and authority, it says that they have the right to buy, sell, lease, mortgage, real property, which is land and building.

00:40:06.320 And then in the next sentence, it says personal property.

00:40:09.580 Well, when you go look at the definition of personal property, it's all other property that's not real property.

00:40:16.520 So that means everything.

00:40:17.800 Cars, it can mean any property that's not a house, any equipment.

00:40:22.680 And this all, so this nonprofit organization will be able to buy, sell, lease, build on.

00:40:31.400 Like they have every power that an individual would have.

00:40:35.560 It even states that they call a natural person.

00:40:38.780 so this non-profit organization will have all the power of a natural person that that means

00:40:43.800 something in legislation that means it can be just like like us you and i all the stuff we can do

00:40:48.880 that's given to this group so it goes through all these different things that they can buy

00:40:53.640 land and do everything they want and then the very next section it says they have the power

00:40:59.300 to expropriate property this private corporation can now expropriate property so what does that

00:41:05.480 mean that means they can come to a place like mine five acres of land that nobody's living on

00:41:10.780 it's just a big field they could go to me as the owner they would say okay you have you have five

00:41:16.040 acres times 250 1,250 people you got to build an apartment block on here that can house 2,250

00:41:23.480 people so wait a minute they're going to tell you that you have to build the apartment building or

00:41:28.700 they're going to take the land and do it themselves oh the way it's the way it's worded is they would

00:41:32.940 approach the owner and say you we're asking you to do this of course i'm going to go like

00:41:37.460 what are you nuts i don't want to build an apartment block there like no it's all fine

00:41:42.420 we'll just expropriate it so they they pay they pay me for that lot and then now they own it

00:41:47.500 that the the non-profit group owns it because they're the they're not the city or with the

00:41:55.760 city expropriated some of my land for the sterling lion uh park parkway here a few years ago when

00:42:01.960 They built a key on that.

00:42:03.580 And so the city owns it, and then they made it into a wider road.

00:42:07.080 In this case, this group can expropriate property based on land use, based on population density, then take your land.

00:42:16.840 And they can go to a developer and say, would you like to buy this land and build an apartment block on here for 1,250 people?

00:42:25.260 And they'd go, sure.

00:42:26.220 Yeah, we like that spot.

00:42:27.160 so if you take this a step further so what could actually happen in real life you could get a

00:42:33.520 developer go up and say you know what i like that property over there on wilks could you expropriate

00:42:38.460 that expropriate that for me and i'll put your population density on there i think that's a

00:42:42.560 really nice location so why couldn't that happen they got the power to go buy and sell and expropriate

00:42:49.320 and sell it so yeah it's crazy can't we we've we've got a lot of land in this area i mean

00:42:56.900 the winnipeg area is is pretty big for the population that we have i mean you know you

00:43:03.400 can drive through the city and still see a lot of open fields and why are they trying to jam so

00:43:09.580 where are all these new people going to be coming from well you're gonna you're gonna laugh at my

00:43:14.320 answers because of climate change because they need people to walk and get rid of their cars

00:43:18.600 so they want to jam people in and so they can walk and pick their groceries up or drive their

00:43:25.600 bike that's this this this even that they're looking for this paradise that they want to get

00:43:32.400 you into a 600 square foot apartment so they get in the other thing that's interesting and when you

00:43:36.900 talk about land use and and density they get into this discussion about they want to create

00:43:42.380 affordable housing you hear it all the time but how can you have affordable housing when

00:43:46.820 construction prices have gone up by 30 since covid plus you've got a situation where

00:43:52.820 the interest rates are as high as they've been in probably 20 years so you got high interest rates

00:44:00.540 means high mortgage payments you've got higher construction costs affordable housing they define

00:44:06.060 it to say 32 percent of your of your wage can go to housing so what can you afford for that

00:44:14.480 for that percentage of your salary well it's basically 600 square foot

00:44:19.680 apartment cell i mean that's apartment cell you should put it like that apartment cell that's

00:44:26.780 and that's what but you see that's this is what trudeau has been talking about when it comes we're

00:44:32.040 going to build build build right what are they building and polyev too for that matter you guys

00:44:36.380 we're not letting him off the hook here either he's been talking about build build build we're

00:44:40.740 going to build apartments apartments apartments right what kinds of apartments like you're talking

00:44:45.440 about ghettos like the slums like we used to see in in uh good times that tv show in the 1970s

00:44:51.760 where they all lived in in those identical apartment buildings the projects that's what

00:44:59.240 this is that's what they're that's what they're doing and if you know their idea is this 15 minute

00:45:06.780 concept don't even though they will deny that's what it's called as you say you know it's what

00:45:11.960 Is it now sustainable communities or complete communities?

00:45:15.720 Actually, you know, in the transportation plan that the city put out,

00:45:19.020 they actually mentioned 15-minute cities in those terms right in their document.

00:45:25.620 Don't we already have that?

00:45:27.240 Like, isn't everything that you need, absolutely need,

00:45:30.540 available in the neighborhood you live in within a 15-minute walk or bike ride already?

00:45:34.540 I mean, I know mine is.

00:45:35.680 I don't have to worry about it.

00:45:36.920 yeah well i mean i i i could walk but i prefer to take my car and take five minutes because i

00:45:43.220 walk in but that's that's that's the difference like you could walk if you wanted to walk but

00:45:48.480 nobody's going to walk i'm not going to walk in this minus 30 to the co-op over here i can walk

00:45:53.040 there in probably five ten minutes or five minutes i'd rather take my bus and two of my car in two

00:45:58.100 minutes so people aren't going to start to change their way of life i know change is hard but people

00:46:03.880 aren't going to aren't going to do that well that's what they want they want us out of the

00:46:07.740 cars ultimately this is all about the un green agenda as you pointed out earlier what about

00:46:13.440 the the farmers and there's a lot of uh farmers in this area this winnipeg regional uh winnipeg

00:46:21.700 so they're talking about shortening the growing season as well you read that right i did i don't

00:46:27.300 understand that i'm not a farmer but they'd say start in the end of may as opposed to the beginning

00:46:32.460 of may i guess that could pretty much ruin every crop going i mean that would be really dependent

00:46:37.720 on the weather to come up with a successful crop well we've already got a short enough growing

00:46:43.620 season in this part of the country as it is they're going to make it a month shorter that

00:46:47.400 there's no way anybody any farmer is going to be able to make money and that's another thing that

00:46:51.960 we've been talking about they are trying to get rid of the farmers so they can take it over

00:46:57.800 themselves the big conglomerates come in the bill gates's i mean we've heard the stories that he

00:47:03.000 owns the most farmland in the united states of america i've never actually taken the time to

00:47:07.840 verify that that's only something that i've read over and over and over again and i've never seen

00:47:12.280 any denials of it uh so this this meeting tomorrow are you speaking at this meeting in neverville

00:47:18.700 so far i have not i sent one application in to talk and they rejected it because i spoke at the

00:47:26.180 first meeting so I sent in a second request today before the deadline and I said I'd like to speak

00:47:35.260 on behalf of KJL and Associates which is my company and and I would be appointed to be the

00:47:41.580 speaker of my own company and the reason that this company wants to say a few words is because first

00:47:48.180 of all we're a member of the Cineboine Chamber of Commerce and the Cineboine Chamber of Commerce

00:47:54.340 put out a support letter for plan 2050 i discussed it with the uh executive director

00:48:01.940 and i said that uh i you didn't call me and get my approval about this there wasn't a vote there

00:48:08.020 was nothing like who exactly gave you the authority to write the support letter and uh

00:48:14.260 i wasn't the only person i know another one of my of members of the of the chamber also wrote a

00:48:20.180 letter as well as i did i didn't even know he did i talked to him later and he said yeah i sent one

00:48:25.600 and so i and then she told me that if you approve if you agree with the letter then we'll put your

00:48:32.640 name of your company on the letter i said well shouldn't you put the name of the companies that

00:48:37.220 disagree with it as well like why wouldn't you do that like if it's a this is like this is

00:48:42.200 uh a chamber of commerce that we all we all sort of pay to be a part of

00:48:49.020 um if you're going to show the one the companies that are in favor you should also show the ones

00:48:54.240 that are against it and the interesting discussion i had with her was that um she actually talked to

00:49:01.120 me because most i've been unable to talk to most of the mayors i've tried to talk to these won't

00:49:05.300 return calls but she was saying that you know this is about commerce about the economy about

00:49:11.540 being able to take transit from Headingley to Winnipeg to get a job.

00:49:18.200 And I said, but, you know,

00:49:19.540 what about the families of those of the people that are members of the

00:49:22.800 chamber? Cause it's going to damage the family life.

00:49:25.300 Like kids that have soccer, they have to walk to soccer,

00:49:28.460 or I'm not sure how that works. If they haven't got a car,

00:49:31.180 how do they go, you know, as a family to do a movie or how do they,

00:49:35.160 like how do they do all these things?

00:49:36.740 So aside from the economy of this,

00:49:39.040 shouldn't the chamber also be concerned about the families of the people who are members because

00:49:43.980 they're all going to be affected by this plan if it goes through so again so that's one reason why

00:49:48.580 i want to talk the other one is that all my clients i got lots of rural clients i got lots

00:49:53.480 of farmers a lot of people have called me to to talk about it that are clients and are saying

00:50:00.460 things like uh you know we need you just go out there and talk about this for us we can't go we're

00:50:05.240 working at two o'clock on a thursday afternoon so you know talk about the process talk about the

00:50:10.520 actual plan um so i said yeah i'll see if that what i can do so i applied again and we'll see

00:50:16.560 what happens i haven't got the confirmation yet but i sure hope i get a chance to talk tomorrow

00:50:20.640 what was uh the mood candidate the first one i mean and there was what like 200 250 people there

00:50:26.980 you were saying about 250 i would say anger anger would be the number one thing people were just

00:50:32.480 angry and they and they really they were angry at not only what was in the plan but the meth the

00:50:38.760 way they've been trying to shove this thing through without anybody knowing about it and

00:50:42.820 even the rules of the hearing like only having two public hearings there's every complaint you

00:50:47.480 can imagine when they're attempting to put in a piece of legislation that's going to completely

00:50:51.980 change everybody's life forever and they have two hearings for 18 communities they should have 18

00:50:58.880 meetings and at least yeah so the other thing i've been doing today shout out i haven't talked

00:51:04.700 to you about this yet but i've been making i was on uh the loving show yesterday and i got a bunch

00:51:11.220 of calls back from people who watched the show so it was kind of kind of cool but you know lady

00:51:16.300 from arbor went from mcdonald uh municipality guy from new brunswick who was a little out there um

00:51:23.400 do you yeah okay never mind so uh so i called him back and i said you know what friday starting on

00:51:36.160 friday we got a group of guys we're gonna we're gonna put together a tour of the 18 municipalities

00:51:41.800 and we're gonna hold information sessions and we're gonna need venues to rent so i talked to

00:51:47.420 people from mcdonald from uh arbor i don't think i've talked to the lady from our group about this

00:51:54.500 yet but the lady from mcdonald i said you know can you snoop around and see you know get us some

00:51:59.760 locations that we can possibly use rent and put on an information session to let the people know

00:52:05.440 exactly what this metro plan didn't tell anybody so tomorrow uh i'm going to get the word out there

00:52:13.180 during the meeting that we're going to try to to to get people engaged ken you're you're talking

00:52:19.720 you're talking to more people right now than you will be talking to tomorrow i i mean unless you

00:52:26.640 know thousands of people show up at this event tomorrow and uh what you should know is that in

00:52:31.660 the next 48 hours this episode will probably be seen 20 000 times or more so you are going to get

00:52:38.540 a lot of play from this just like you did from from jason's show uh what we need i think maybe

00:52:43.740 is a is a central hub or something where people can meet and not necessarily a facebook group

00:52:50.260 because facebook's been censoring everything right so um maybe build a quick website or or

00:52:56.740 something where people can go gather get information maybe you know give you a location

00:53:01.420 that you can go and and and rent out or even if it's bill's barn who cares where it is you know

00:53:07.460 like you just go and you you have this town meeting and you tell people what's going on

00:53:11.280 because as you point out they're doing only two meetings one uh they've already done one tomorrow

00:53:16.680 in neverville the meeting starts at three i believe right people gather at two uh get their

00:53:21.580 early guys if you want to get in i think because i also believe this board is going to try and stack

00:53:27.580 the audience there with people who are in support of this i think that's what they're going to try

00:53:32.680 and do because they they saw the last one and they weren't so happy especially when you got people to

00:53:38.200 stand up and say if you're you're supporting it or if you're against it right i mean that was

00:53:43.000 a great move but at the same time you gave them ammunition so you got to get their early guys

00:53:48.940 neverville it's the neverville community center correct yeah uh it's it's it's the building right

00:53:54.700 downtown i've been before it's a really beautiful beautiful building and uh it might be the biggest

00:54:00.220 hall they have there i'm not sure what it's called i think there's a it's it's mentioned

00:54:03.720 on the uh on the website on the wmr website there's gonna be a lot of people there like

00:54:11.120 everybody i seem to talk to they're going to be there they're going to try to make it even though

00:54:14.660 it's two in the afternoon you guys are booking off work uh going to take some time off from

00:54:18.720 their own businesses to go and and be there and and support this uh this this the group that's

00:54:25.060 trying to stop the plan you see this comment come up on the screen here is it willie is saying try

00:54:29.720 the local legions that might be an idea yeah that's great yeah we will um and anything i can

00:54:37.160 do to help you can obviously i will do in in any way that you would like um how many people are you

00:54:44.600 like are there was there a lot of confusion at the last meeting as well people went because they

00:54:51.040 they'd heard something they didn't like and and so they went down there and they didn't really

00:54:55.040 know what was going on i mean we've still got a lot of work in in terms of awareness i'm thinking

00:55:00.140 tons tons of people who went there last time just wanted to find out what's going on

00:55:04.460 and i was one of them i mean i had done quite a bit of research enough research that i could

00:55:09.620 give a presentation but i spent hours to put to read and try to put something together in for a

00:55:16.680 10 minute 10 minute spiel i found out immediately i was going to get through about 20 of what i had

00:55:21.340 written but it's people just don't know i think people now know a lot more like we met with some

00:55:28.780 people yesterday in neverville they were all understanding what was going on they they had

00:55:34.280 watched some videos they had uh they read parts of it but still a lot of confusion the same kind

00:55:40.100 of discussion we had tonight here where they don't know where it started why did it start why did the

00:55:44.580 province do this why are the municipalities allowing their their authority to be taken away

00:55:49.220 there's so many obvious holes in this plan that make no sense that uh people just can't come to

00:55:56.660 grips with it it's hard even for me to understand how any municipality would sign up and i mean it's

00:56:02.880 legislated i get that but just walk away and say you know what we unless we can contact our

00:56:07.140 constituents and let them know what you're up to we we really can't be part of this so we'll just

00:56:11.560 decade our spot on the board and uh you're on your own so there's just just before you

00:56:19.160 i just want to finish this there's two other things that i found out today and it was in the

00:56:24.240 bylaws of the wmr and what it is is that the quorum for any meeting is uh 51 of the people

00:56:35.800 in attendance so of the total board so if there's 22 members of the board or 23 members

00:56:41.700 a quorum would be 12 that's right it says in the section on quorum in the section on voting

00:56:48.160 it says that every director gets one vote however the total of all the votes the population of the

00:56:56.940 total of the votes in favor of a resolution has to exceed 50 percent well that means that the

00:57:04.040 city of winnipeg has 86 of the population so that means that every single thing that passes

00:57:10.120 will pass by virtue of the fact that scott gillingham votes for it one guy versus 17 guys

00:57:16.720 all with one vote but scott's votes are worth uh 80 the worth worth over 50 therefore it goes

00:57:25.740 through and whatever he decides he wants it goes through and that's the other reason i can't

00:57:30.560 understand why guys would have went along with it because they're giving up their authority and they

00:57:34.860 know that whatever the city wants the city is going to get and when i talked to maggie about

00:57:39.900 that she said you know when they put these kind of situations in before all these municipalities

00:57:45.160 say great we're going to get we're going to get lower prices on fire engines we're going to get

00:57:48.680 lower prices we're going to get all their the buying power of the city of winnipeg but they

00:57:53.080 get no money because uh they start to to create these communities where people want to move out

00:57:59.980 they shut down their wells whatever they do so it works to actually shrink the region

00:58:06.540 if the thing is allowed to play out and so these these guys that are voting to stick around on

00:58:12.620 this thing they're just actually shooting themselves in the foot because their community

00:58:16.180 is going to be gone eventually then i'm not sure no i i know i know you're not fear mongering but

00:58:23.540 i'm just wondering if enough of these smaller communities and you say there's a there's 18 of

00:58:29.820 them um if they pull out regardless of the quorum like a quorum would be more than half so let's say

00:58:36.800 they need 10 out of the 18 but if we can get nine of them to pull out they haven't got a quorum

00:58:43.380 they can't have a vote they haven't got a legal quorum we just need not and i already know that

00:58:49.320 two of these municipalities are not in favor of this one of them being west st paul have you heard

00:58:53.860 the same thing i heard three i heard selkirk west st paul and headingly the three i heard

00:58:58.860 i tried to call the mayor of headingly but he probably was on the gag order so he never called

00:59:03.580 me back but i'd love to talk to him and find out why did you why are you against it just to find

00:59:08.300 out what his reasoning i think both west st paul and headingly are against the population density

00:59:13.460 they don't want to have higher density than they have right now the attractiveness of headingly

00:59:17.660 there's lots lots of land out there big lots people have nice big yards taxes are lower i mean

00:59:24.600 it's a great place to go settle like headingly and it's close enough to the city um and they're

00:59:30.160 building up their commercial business out there as well they got the one side of the river they

00:59:34.400 have a sort of an industrial park and then the other side on the portage avenue side they have

00:59:38.180 all sorts of of uh strip malls going up and uh they got some really nice businesses headingly

00:59:44.300 sports shop they got some really nice businesses that have gone so headingly is like a bustling

00:59:49.520 community with tremendous snow clearing and everything else people live in headingly love it

00:59:54.920 so of course they're against giving all their power to the city of winnipeg well they de-amalgamated

01:00:00.560 from the city years ago they they moved away from the city they said no we don't want to be part of

01:00:05.300 the city anymore now they're roped back into it ultimately you know i remember the ndp under greg

01:00:12.140 selinger doing this this thing years ago where they merged rms they merged towns remember that

01:00:18.940 i wonder if that was the beginning of all of this this has been going on since 1992

01:00:25.000 like the un plan 2021 now 2020 now 2030 1992 at the earth summit is when this thing was born like

01:00:34.640 sustainable development goals that's where that terminology came from that's that's a long time

01:00:40.580 we go maggie is in the chat right now maggie hope braun from kickley is in the chat right now

01:00:45.280 um and people are asking if you're going to come on maggie so i sent you a link

01:00:49.980 in facebook feel free to join us if you like but if you're in a situation where you can't

01:00:55.560 we appreciate that as well but we definitely like your thoughts on this so would it be

01:01:01.540 an idea first of all i believe

01:01:05.360 i believe that we need boots on the ground here uh telling people what the heck is going on

01:01:13.540 right knocking on doors i mean we we need flyers out there we need hey this is the thing that

01:01:19.840 they're doing what do you think about this um and and the information sessions as you say we need

01:01:26.280 those as well we need an army of people how much time do we have here ken before they finalize all

01:01:33.020 of this if maggie comes on she'll tell i asked her that question yesterday on the live-in show

01:01:38.760 and she said you know don't worry about the time because uh if you just convinced one

01:01:45.220 one municipality to just drop out the others will follow and so if it's already in place if if one

01:01:54.940 drops out if two of three or four or five drop out the credibility of this organization drops

01:01:59.600 because that's that's five different mayors and councils that are going like you know what

01:02:04.440 this is no good for our people the other municipal is going to have pressure on them to revisit why

01:02:10.160 they're in like why is headley dropping out and you're staying in here well what's wrong with you

01:02:15.800 like uh we like what they're talking about they want to have autonomy they don't want to be part

01:02:19.960 of this regional group that's that's going to we're going to get smothered by the city of

01:02:23.880 winnipeg because they have 750 000 people and we have 10 000 like yeah well you know the other

01:02:31.660 thing is and and this is something that i i believe to be true when it comes to federal

01:02:37.160 politicians they're very difficult to get a hold of right because they're shielded by that

01:02:42.820 that federal framework provincial politicians are a lot the same way even the councils of large

01:02:49.500 cities even though they live in the community you never really see them out there very often you

01:02:54.500 know and they're they're kind of like mini celebrities and you can't get to them but when

01:02:59.500 it comes to a small town council where you're not making where the councillors the reeves the mayors

01:03:05.520 whatever they're not making you know their entire living they get you know a stipend a small amount

01:03:10.840 of money to do that role but they're not you know full-time mayors full-time reeves full-time

01:03:17.040 counselors they're doing it because they believe they're doing their their community service and

01:03:22.240 they have to live in that small community with all of these people and they know everybody

01:03:29.760 everybody knows everybody else do they want to be the person that voted in favor of this united

01:03:36.700 nations globalist agenda do they want to be known as the person that you know prohibited access to

01:03:44.160 thoroughfares for gas vehicles do they want to be the person who shortened growing season

01:03:49.680 in this region for and for what reason i mean i'm not seeing where the benefit is

01:03:57.200 for these communities outside of the city here there's none there's no benefits that's why

01:04:02.640 the fact that it was legislated it's like an amalgamation i think i think maggie pointed that

01:04:06.960 out this is like an amalgamation but it's kind of a slew foot it's kind of it's snuck in there though

01:04:12.640 all of a sudden we're a part of this big region and there's all these great

01:04:15.960 things. And there's a lot of councils who are in agreement that this is a great

01:04:19.980 idea, but I think you're right. As far as the,

01:04:24.060 why would a council do this? I mean,

01:04:26.280 they're taking away all their own power. And the other thing,

01:04:29.300 when you mentioned that these local, there's one thing about politicians.

01:04:32.760 I've known a lot at every single level and all the things you mentioned are all

01:04:36.640 true, but the one you didn't mention,

01:04:38.820 which i think is true as well is regardless of the level of the politician they have one thing

01:04:44.740 they have power power i mean i talked to one seasoned politician and uh i said to him like

01:04:53.160 why did you quit your job like you've taken a huge cut in pay and uh to do this to be a be a

01:05:00.220 politician and he said and he shocked me what he said he said you know you're right this is a huge

01:05:06.480 cut in my pay but he says you know there's something about having power he was a cabinet

01:05:11.400 something about having power and I think that is maybe even on the smallest level that idea that

01:05:18.620 you have some power and authority that you might not have in your regular life that now all of a

01:05:23.300 sudden you have it um which I which is I believe why when the NDP get in power these guys that

01:05:29.700 you know have part of a union mostly teachers whatever they've never had a position of power

01:05:34.500 all of a sudden they have this power and that's why you end up getting bad governance when they're

01:05:38.840 in they're in their place plus their ideology doesn't help but they all of a sudden have power

01:05:42.960 and and they just use it because it's fun it's fun to have power and use it right so it's fun

01:05:51.080 to have power and abuse it yeah not necessarily use it so there's a lot of people from what i

01:05:59.900 gathered today from the social media posting that i put out there who think that tomorrow

01:06:05.600 this meeting in neverville is going to be the be all end all it's going to decide what happens

01:06:13.380 and i want you guys to know that that's not the case this is strictly the second of two

01:06:21.400 legislated meetings that this group has to have they're not doing 18 like ken says and i think

01:06:27.780 You're absolutely right with that, Kent.

01:06:29.780 They've got to go to every municipality and talk about this, and they haven't.

01:06:33.920 They're bringing this in under the cover of darkness, meaning it's the short Manitoba summer,

01:06:38.840 and everybody is out there trying to enjoy themselves because it's so short, right?

01:06:43.300 And people aren't thinking about this stuff right now, and they know that.

01:06:48.600 And that's why they're doing it right now.

01:06:51.320 But tomorrow, aside from being able to address this board, there's not going to be any votes or anything like that, correct?

01:07:00.680 It's just to address the board.

01:07:03.040 This is the second reading.

01:07:04.380 This will be the conclusion of the process for the second reading.

01:07:07.880 And so out of this, the process, if you look through the Planning Act and you look through their own bylaws,

01:07:13.180 so the process after the second reading is that they look at all the applications that were put in.

01:07:21.320 I think that you'll find tomorrow anybody talking is going to make an ask to the board to say, you know,

01:07:26.820 I think this should be delayed for 12 months or six months, or I think you should can the whole thing.

01:07:32.100 I think you should start over.

01:07:33.700 They need all sorts of people making recommendations to them.

01:07:37.500 That was on the advice of one of the guys from the Manitoba Stronger Together group.

01:07:44.360 So I think that's a great idea.

01:07:46.160 But I think the power in tomorrow's meeting is this.

01:07:52.140 Like when I'm going to be talking, I will not be talking if I get a chance to talk.

01:07:56.240 I won't be talking to them.

01:07:58.560 I'll be talking to the audience.

01:08:00.320 I'll be talking to the people who are there that want to get rid of the plant.

01:08:07.140 That's who I will be addressing.

01:08:08.420 so what i hope the other speakers do the same thing and and not go after the the board because

01:08:16.260 i think you're i think you're absolutely right they are not going to waver from their uh plan

01:08:22.440 gillingham has the only vote they need so if he's on board the other 17 don't matter

01:08:28.700 so the only way we can defeat this i think is by getting the the grassroots getting the the

01:08:36.640 constituents to step forward and put some pressure on their regional

01:08:41.600 counselors.

01:08:42.500 So I think what we can achieve tomorrow would be an ability to get people

01:08:48.320 engaged, get people out in their own groups in all 18 areas and start putting

01:08:55.020 pressure on their local politician.

01:08:57.400 I think that's all we can hold for here.

01:08:59.300 Ken, look who we got jumped on the show here.

01:09:01.800 It's Maggie Hope Braun-Kickley.

01:09:03.900 You're looking great, Maggie.

01:09:05.940 Thank you.

01:09:07.980 So are you.

01:09:09.640 Thank you.

01:09:12.660 You guys had a conversation yesterday.

01:09:17.360 Maggie, how up to date are you on this situation?

01:09:20.260 Because I know that you've got all kinds of things going on in all kinds of areas of the country.

01:09:25.400 Well, I'm trying to just review all the documents in between the other work that I'm doing.

01:09:34.140 So I was able to read the official plan today, at least skim through it.

01:09:39.680 What jumped out to me was the environmental section, of course.

01:09:44.560 I always recommend going and looking at the environmental section because that is obviously where a lot of these sustainable development goals are coming in.

01:09:59.420 It's kind of the portal, the gateway for it all.

01:10:02.120 um ken you mentioned earlier what i had said on the levine show that oh you know don't worry too

01:10:09.320 much we can always we can always pull it out at the root when when we get organized enough but

01:10:14.440 you know when you see that environmental section and it's essentially an outline of the partners

01:10:20.480 for climate protection program and their data collection and just really solidifying all of

01:10:27.200 their goals into an official plan like that, then it really does get hard to, to back them out of

01:10:35.160 it. You know, we could withdraw them from the program, but it's in their official plan at that

01:10:39.300 point. So it makes it a bit harder. So I would definitely kick up a fuss about that and point

01:10:47.720 to the origin of those, those mandates that they're trying to put into the official plan

01:10:55.820 around the environment. And yeah, great suggestions tonight. I like the idea of the website

01:11:02.260 and I'm going to the 18 different municipalities and having town halls. I would definitely

01:11:08.620 recommend having a petition, having a really good clear idea of what, what it is that, you know,

01:11:14.660 we can't just go in there and say, we don't like the whole thing, throw it all up. You know,

01:11:19.160 it doesn't quite work like that, but if we can focus in, like we did Enduro Dumber on their

01:11:24.520 official plan and say there's there's three problems with this plan well maybe we listed a

01:11:29.860 few more and I could almost think of what the problems would be for that official plan that I

01:11:34.980 would go for you know a lack of public consultation the fact that it was done by the staff essentially

01:11:40.920 or this corporation and not the elected officials who are the ones who are supposed to be coming up

01:11:47.280 with these plans and policies.

01:11:51.240 So those ones, I would look at how they're limiting the use of rural properties and the

01:11:59.980 severances there, potentially the land use and so much more.

01:12:06.880 So and then, of course, the environmental climate change stuff.

01:12:10.260 So I would come up with some specific things to put into a petition and start gathering

01:12:17.100 signatures and that does make a difference even doing would it would it be worthwhile to

01:12:24.120 encourage people to email their counselors and their reeves and their mayors and tell them that

01:12:29.840 they're completely in disagreement with this and and the other thing too is i think what we have

01:12:34.600 at these meetings when you are talking to officials we do have to maintain a certain

01:12:39.960 level of decorum i know that maggie you're a big proponent of more flies with honey than with

01:12:44.480 vinegar but at the same time we need people educated to know exactly what they're talking

01:12:50.520 about when it comes to this plan so that they can talk about it rationally and they can explain

01:12:56.320 why they don't want this plan in their neighborhood they can't just rage against the machine here

01:13:01.940 you've got to give them reasons why because the second you can't is the second they go ha we've

01:13:08.440 gotcha yeah yeah they definitely um and there's tools that we can use for that i've i've i know

01:13:16.380 everyone uh is new to the ai world and we have to use it carefully but sometimes i'll wake up in

01:13:23.660 the morning and i'll see what's going on and i'll be mad right just like everyone else i get mad too

01:13:30.160 and i'll throw my say what i would like to say to these people into my notes on my phone and um

01:13:40.300 and i'll just throw that into a little editor like grammarly or something right like just

01:13:45.400 edit it and make it a little bit more diplomatic okay and then i toss that into the email to the

01:13:52.300 to the counselors and i actually get a response whereas it had it came out exactly how i would

01:13:59.360 like to say it, I wouldn't be getting a response. And I'd lose all respect that I possibly could

01:14:05.280 have had with them. And it does make a difference. So, you know, we have to realize that we're

01:14:10.180 battling a bit of a fictional realm when we're up against these plans. It's all about the words. So

01:14:17.680 yeah, there's tools that we can use to make, to express ourselves if we're not quite sure how to

01:14:23.400 do that diplomatically. Without yelling and screaming. And maybe, you know, you guys watching

01:14:28.220 tomorrow if you are going to this meeting in neverville let me suggest putting on a collared

01:14:34.380 shirt yes or you know i mean you know maggie i know you're a big one for for looking the part

01:14:41.500 right when you go out and you are making a case you should probably dress yourself up a little

01:14:49.420 bit guys and you know i know there's some folks out there saying i'm gonna wear you i'm this is

01:14:53.600 the uniform of the redneck redneck and i'm gonna look guys i mean that's cool that i understand

01:14:58.340 that but just think about this as you're going to church on sunday morning and maybe you're going to

01:15:03.120 put on a nice shirt and a pair of pants or even a nice pair of shorts if it's a nice day tomorrow but

01:15:07.720 not flip-flops an old pair of adidas shorts and and a and a wife beater because that's not gonna

01:15:15.680 and when i say wife beater i'm talking about the shirt not the actual boxers out in the olympics

01:15:20.820 right now and i know maggie i've been using ai as well uh for my emails and stuff and to tell you

01:15:29.740 it makes me appear to be a lot nicer more polite person than i've ever been in my lifetime

01:15:35.180 i'm against i still haven't done it yet and i'm a little bit slow to pick up on new tech

01:15:48.980 you know and all the negative stuff we've heard about ai although i have had some interesting

01:15:53.000 conversations with meta ai in the last couple of days about why certain posts are getting

01:15:57.980 taken down and and the the use of language uh somebody used a meta ai actually used the

01:16:04.980 expression to me cisgender the other day and i said i i believe that word is a pejorative and

01:16:10.660 i don't want you to use it anymore i'm so sorry i didn't mean to they're actually very polite that

01:16:15.760 meta ai so the meetings tomorrow ken are you the one heading this up uh locally are you the man

01:16:27.860 no i don't think i'm the man i'm just one of many that are trying to get something done

01:16:33.700 um i will if somebody asks me to help out or do something i'll always do that but i'm not

01:16:41.000 But somebody has to lead the way into certain things, like this idea of having these 18 town hall things was sort of my thing.

01:16:52.280 I haven't talked to anybody about it yet.

01:16:53.620 I just kind of came across it today, actually, after the meeting last night with those guys from Niverville.

01:17:01.080 Got me thinking that these people are really engaged and they're saying the same thing.

01:17:06.240 We don't know what's going on.

01:17:07.400 Like, you got to tell me what's going on.

01:17:09.300 and that's the problem

01:17:11.420 people don't know

01:17:12.460 so we have to get a way of getting the information

01:17:14.860 the other thing today I got a call

01:17:17.240 from the local 0.99

01:17:19.360 newspaper from Stonewall called the Express

01:17:21.700 or something that they want to

01:17:23.460 interview you so they haven't called yet

01:17:25.060 that'd be a good way of getting a message out

01:17:27.260 to the rural areas because I think it covers

01:17:29.180 Stonewall and

01:17:31.140 areas around Stonewall

01:17:32.400 more than one constituency or more than

01:17:35.340 one municipality so that's another

01:17:37.320 thing we're thinking about getting some ads

01:17:39.180 uh in on the back page or front page of some of those local newspapers and get the message out

01:17:44.580 that way or announced billboards billboards do billboards like the guy tried to do billboards

01:17:49.100 in toronto and they shut him down so he's taking him to the court uh court now

01:17:52.660 that was about something different altogether maggie how important is it for because there's

01:18:00.100 a lot of disparate groups in this area just like everywhere else you've got you know freedom people

01:18:04.460 here freedom people there and they've been fighting and they don't get along and they

01:18:07.460 call each other names and this person did this and this person did that how important is it now

01:18:13.520 with something like this coming right down the pipe to for all of those groups to put that stuff

01:18:19.240 aside and come together you know it's going to be the natural outcome is is the groups will come

01:18:25.600 together and and they and that is what what i recommend we do is we start with a small group

01:18:32.280 So we have Ken. Ken's going to find a couple of people to get together and and have meetings with and people like myself and you that kind of come along and support and guide and and and create that that campaign of awareness and, you know, those foundational concerns.

01:18:51.060 And what will eventually happen is, is the groups will come together and they will, they will battle this similar enemy because it's on their doorstep. Right. And it's similar in British Columbia. I've been working with that group and I think it's going to be the same in every province.

01:19:08.700 We have 20 to 50 different groups and organizations working in a province and something like this comes in and they all see it as as an important, you know, really important to get involved with because they know how important it is to address this at the local level now, I think, which is a great thing for our country to finally realize that we do have a voice and it's really at that local level.

01:19:36.740 we can make a difference and um yeah it's it's definitely already bringing the groups together

01:19:42.380 so i just hope and pray that in winnipeg that will be the result there and i think you're probably

01:19:50.300 already seeing it people from the different groups are showing up and they're getting together they

01:19:55.340 have a new enemy now right my enemy's enemy is my friend ken have you seen this merging of of the

01:20:03.880 minds because i know that you've been involved in this almost since the beginning yeah i i never

01:20:09.760 understood why people with similar backgrounds or similar feelings are fighting each other

01:20:17.740 and i think it boils down to ego at some point in time and i think i've already seen it in this

01:20:24.820 movement here some egos that are again in the way of things uh getting way of of getting together

01:20:31.000 because you have to get together you have to collaborate you can't be duplicating the other's

01:20:35.700 work if somebody's prepared to do something let them do it they don't have to oversee it or you

01:20:40.900 know try to change it um but the other thing that shadow mentions is about people going and getting

01:20:47.760 a little bit over the top at the meetings because all that's going to happen is that uh they're

01:20:53.700 going to tag everybody with the same brush right they're going to say you're all the same you're 0.95

01:20:57.280 all a bunch of you know wackos and uh whatever right wing extremists knuckle draggers white 0.92

01:21:04.000 nationalists all of that yeah right yeah yeah so when i spoke first time i wore a jacket and a 0.84

01:21:10.600 nice shirt and kind of looked like an accountant for a change and uh did my thing about the guys

01:21:17.400 looking what are you dressed like that for it's a funeral what else what else will i dress like

01:21:21.360 this but you just want to you want to look like uh you're not a right-wing wild whatever although

01:21:29.340 i am but i don't want to look like is there anything we've forgotten to mention so far

01:21:35.360 tonight at all anything um i don't think so there's so much in here you could you could talk

01:21:42.920 about these oh there's one thing uh when i was talking about all the power that this private

01:21:48.380 corporation had about acquiring land and expropriating the land and then maybe selling

01:21:53.180 it off and making a profit or or whatever the other power they have is they have the power to

01:21:59.740 charge fees for services rendered so like a municipality can charge you you know 50 for a

01:22:08.580 permit to build a garage well this group this private corporation is legislated to be able to

01:22:15.140 charge fees so i thought that was kind of interesting so these these counselors that

01:22:21.180 are in these various municipalities are going to cede their their invoicing rights to this

01:22:27.900 private company in their municipality so again i found that to be rather here's here's something

01:22:35.040 else that i just ran across in this winnipeg metro region spreadsheet here data collection

01:22:42.040 and sharing

01:22:42.840 establish standards, methods, protocols

01:22:46.240 for data collection, storage and delivery

01:22:47.980 using internationally recognized

01:22:49.800 ISO developed tools as a model

01:22:51.940 they're going to be

01:22:54.200 merging all of our data together

01:22:55.840 in one hub

01:22:57.580 all of it

01:22:59.400 I don't think I like that

01:23:02.240 too much

01:23:02.700 that's the thing that

01:23:07.580 what I've been writing about this week

01:23:09.760 and going into is

01:23:11.480 you know these these programs that you're going to see in your environmental section of that

01:23:17.320 official plan you know it's all about data collection and you know that data collection

01:23:24.180 is being done by organizations like icly that's who's doing it those are the you know that's the

01:23:30.800 international companies that are are doing this and who is icly funded by it's funded by google

01:23:37.480 and BlackRock and Vanguard and Fidelity.

01:23:41.580 And what are they doing?

01:23:44.880 They're definitely, well, Google's definitely data harvesting

01:23:48.360 for international companies, private companies,

01:23:51.920 and Vanguard and BlackRock are into land acquisition.

01:23:55.580 So that's who we're giving our data to.

01:23:58.340 Wow.

01:23:59.120 And how can we expect that that's not going to translate

01:24:02.660 into policy suggestions that will have to, that will potentially negatively affect our land,

01:24:10.860 right? So ever since we signed up for this in 1992 and started these programs in 1994,

01:24:21.280 that's when the housing crisis started in Canada. Mid-90s, housing crisis started. 30 years later,

01:24:29.340 it's an absolute crisis at this point and i like what you said earlier ken you know

01:24:35.520 in manitoba technically you each should have 140 acres each right why are we cramming them into the

01:24:44.720 urban area you know this is something that i i mentioned to ken earlier we kind of glossed over

01:24:50.180 a little bit when i asked ken where are these people going to be coming from when you look at

01:24:54.320 the the population growth statistics in this area just in the last year i mean we know that winnipeg

01:25:01.600 is a slow growing city it's been growing maybe you know from census to census it goes up 50 000

01:25:08.600 people right so every year 10 000 people this past year 40 000 plus new winnipeggers suddenly

01:25:20.360 appeared and i'm wondering if they're planning on keeping that up regardless who's in power in the

01:25:26.400 federal government and maybe that's why they're doing this whole density thing in the first place

01:25:31.560 because they're expecting way more people in a very short period of time you know i looked through

01:25:38.440 their population uh projections in the plan plan 2050 and if you look at that page it shows the

01:25:45.780 population growth by age group so it showed 0 to 19 and it showed 19 to 70 or something or and or

01:25:52.780 60 then 60 plus so the 0 to 19 growth for the next 25 years for manitoba and winnipeg is flat

01:26:01.260 so that means there's going to be no growth on people having babies in in manitoba not predicting

01:26:08.820 it flat completely flat and then the next group at the end it kind of goes up towards the end of

01:26:14.200 the uh time to 2050 and then way up so the question i had and i didn't get a chance to ask

01:26:21.380 or present this at the last hearing was so the really the only growth we're going to have in

01:26:26.460 the province of manitoba for the next 25 years is immigration so if that's the case yeah and we have

01:26:33.340 a housing shortage and we have we have you know we need to create these small living units because 0.99

01:26:39.880 of this growth how about this stop immigration how about that that gets rid of all the problems

01:26:45.240 because the only growth that they're showing it's not going to be families from manitoba

01:26:48.980 having babies because that's flat on their number it doesn't go anywhere and it's not

01:26:53.980 interprovincial migration either because manitoba is always a net loser with that every single year

01:26:59.120 right if people go to a new province they're generally going to alberta british columbia

01:27:04.880 they're not coming to manitoba so then where are these people coming from out of country

01:27:09.480 who's coming well just look around you look around in your neighborhood and see and i'm not saying

01:27:16.940 that that's necessarily bad yet but all you need to do to see what might be coming is look at what's 1.00

01:27:24.040 going on in the uk right now and in toronto for that matter where we had a bunch of palestinian

01:27:28.860 protesters trying to block an exit or an entryway onto the gardner expressway yesterday morning

01:27:33.900 and there's more jostling today i've got some video i'm going to play in the extension coming

01:27:39.020 up in just a few minutes i want to thank you both for coming on tonight and i want to keep this

01:27:43.160 this dialogue going because i believe it's very important maggie what other areas of the country

01:27:49.220 are going through this very same thing right now at least that you know of oh it's happening fast

01:27:55.840 it's happening everywhere um obviously everyone knows what edmonton calgary now winnipeg it just

01:28:02.620 seems to be one after the other is experiencing this um you know 15 minute city upgrades plans

01:28:10.800 official plans and i think we just might be noticing it more in this last little year which

01:28:17.920 i think is a good thing i think it's a good thing that people are paying attention because it's been

01:28:22.220 going on for a long time if you look at that official plan it gives you a history this isn't

01:28:27.100 the first thing that passed along this, um, trajectory. Right. So,

01:28:32.420 and they call it something different in every city too, right? Yep.

01:28:37.400 Absolutely. So,

01:28:38.620 so it makes it tougher to track it down is,

01:28:41.120 is what we were talking about a little bit earlier before you joined.

01:28:44.440 Yeah. I like this new one, complete community. That's new.

01:28:48.900 What, what other, if you can remember,

01:28:51.460 what are some of the other names that you've heard in your work so far?

01:28:55.620 oh well the 15 minute city everyone knows that one smart city maybe is that in there

01:29:02.940 um smart city there's about eight names shadow i saw a list of them one day there's about eight

01:29:10.380 of them and they're all kind of takeoffs on the complete community or same thing yeah yeah all

01:29:18.480 right all right guys thank you go ahead again yeah we're getting close to the end here but i

01:29:23.560 do want to remind everybody that neverville tomorrow at three o'clock the meeting starts

01:29:27.960 at three and this meeting could be going on for hours i mean the last meeting was five hours long

01:29:33.740 am i right that's correct okay guys so bring a lunch or or make sure that you know you've got

01:29:40.080 something to snack on um or drinks or whatever because i'm not so sure they're going to be

01:29:45.320 providing anything like that in the meeting maggie i want to thank you for coming on at last minute

01:29:49.560 notice like this and giving us your wisdom we always appreciate it and I do want to get you on

01:29:54.820 one night very soon to talk about this whole big thing as it's affecting the entire country

01:29:59.680 maybe in the next few days but I know that you've been trying to grab some time off also

01:30:03.640 in the past month and it's been tough it's not meant to happen I guess so we'll see okay we'll

01:30:11.700 see you guys again soon thank you for coming on tonight really appreciate it you too thanks

01:30:15.640 everyone all right there's uh maggie hope braun ken lee we are fighting against the 15-minute

01:30:21.880 city you guys and i want to thank you for being here tonight really appreciate it don't forget

01:30:26.340 neverville tomorrow the meeting starts at three o'clock but registration to speak starts at two

01:30:31.240 o'clock we hear that that is full up already um at least pre-registration they may have some spots

01:30:39.140 for you available to talk tomorrow the length that you get is 10 minutes so if you do want to

01:30:46.900 talk at this meeting tomorrow make sure that you know what you're going to say keep it to 10 minutes

01:30:53.000 or less and there's a great quote that i'm going to bring up now from a movie called planes trains

01:31:00.780 and automobiles you may have seen it before and steve martin is talking to john candy and he says

01:31:07.660 oh by the way the next time you're telling a story have a point it makes it so much more

01:31:16.080 interesting for the listener have a point you guys you can't just come out and speak at this

01:31:22.580 thing tomorrow rambling angry because that is not going to work we need a uniform front

01:31:30.080 we need a professional front we need a concerned possibly

01:31:34.660 little bit of anger in the presentations but not over the top yelling screaming face painting

01:31:43.940 freedom honk honk and all of that stuff right that save that for the for the bush parties

01:31:49.500 i mean those are fun too but tomorrow it's all business thank you for joining the show tonight

01:31:57.300 much appreciated love you all appreciate you all it's brought to you as always by canada nanosilver

01:32:03.180 canada nanosilver.ca for those of you who are all access members at shadowdavis.com

01:32:09.120 i will catch you there in a couple of minutes if you're not a member go and become one right now

01:32:13.600 it's not very expensive i've got some interesting stuff coming out tonight regarding the justice

01:32:17.820 center for constitutional freedoms also uh a little bit more information about kamala harris's

01:32:23.880 vp pick of course we know he is the governor of the state of minnesota his name is tim wallace

01:32:29.320 but did you know that he is a marxist and quite possibly could be charged with stolen valor from

01:32:36.800 his time in the reserve forces in the united states of america absolutely and definitely

01:32:42.160 the republicans are trying to make hay with that also one of uh my viewers sent me this today

01:32:49.360 and I couldn't believe it.

01:32:51.440 Direct energy weapons do exist

01:32:54.940 so it's not a conspiracy theory

01:32:57.120 and this was found on the Government of Canada website.

01:33:01.540 We're going to be talking about that

01:33:02.820 and so much more on the extension

01:33:04.440 in just a couple of minutes.

01:33:06.000 I'll see you there.

01:33:06.720 If not, I will catch you tomorrow night

01:33:09.080 at 8 o'clock central

01:33:10.180 for another Shadow at Night live stream.

01:33:12.440 Bye for now.

01:33:19.360 guitar solo

01:33:49.360 We'll be right back.

The Shadoe Davis Show - August 08, 2024

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