00:10:32.540It was, you know, it really, you know, 1950, okay, 1953 is when MKUltra officially was signed into existence by CIA director Alan Dulles at the time, and his whole thing was fighting communism.
00:10:50.600it was the red scare you know he was he he used the threat of communism to push through all kinds
00:10:56.120of you know his own agendas and he was a master of uh disinformation i guess you could say and
00:11:03.600and counterintelligence and he ran a network around you know he was an amazing man i mean a
00:11:10.180terrible man and there's a book amazing and terrible evil i would say and he's got an airport
00:11:14.740named after him down there too it's crazy yeah dallas yeah um and you know he was behind uh
00:11:21.700well i would say he was probably behind the kennedy assassination definitely a big player
00:11:25.900in that because kennedy had you know it's a whole story dallas wanted the invasion of it wanted an
00:11:32.180invasion of the bay of pigs and kennedy was was trying to anyway kennedy was against his his plan
00:11:38.740to attack cuba and so he had it seems he had kennedy killed i mean that's one of the
00:11:45.300strong theories you know what we should say go any further i'm sorry to interrupt you and what
00:11:50.340we should say because last night's show we had a vaccine injury on last night and even though it's
00:11:55.140been diagnosed by doctors youtube decided or at least their algorithms decided to take that show
00:12:01.060down today so what we should say before we go yeah you know censorship so before we go any further
00:12:08.880what we should say to the youtube algorithm i'm saying this right to your face ai is that tonight
00:12:14.140we are talking about factual things that a person has actually been through in her life but we'll
00:12:20.720also throw out some theories as well regarding certain things because there's so much that we
00:12:26.320can discuss tonight and um i mean and here's something for a little bit down the road we
00:12:32.600don't need to get into this right now just because the viewers right they're anxious to have you on
00:12:36.840and they didn't know and i didn't know up until this afternoon that you dated leonard cohen
00:12:43.160and well he was that's not a major distinction in montreal for women of my generation i mean
00:12:51.680I mean, most of us dated Leonard Cohen at one time or another.
00:12:56.260No, I knew him quite well, actually, and I lived next door to him.
00:12:59.740And it's a whole, it's actually a part of my story.
00:13:04.600But, you know, it depends how far you want to go down the rabbit hole.
00:13:08.340But I think I knew him as a child, and I think the reason I knew him was that he was part of this program at the Allen Memorial, McGill University, too.
00:14:37.340I've been designated, I've been identified as a gifted child.
00:14:41.920It's a gifted program, my parents are told.
00:14:44.600And I will be put through interesting, you know, challenging situations and, you know, if I overcome, you know, I will be chosen perhaps for a career at the United Nations or some glamorous occupation in media or, you know, government something.
00:15:11.380You know, I have an IQ of whatever it is, you know, and they have decided that I'm worth training.
00:15:21.140So that, I think, was what my parents were told.
00:15:24.060My mother once, we used to have, I heard my mother say to someone, you know, when I was a child that the scientists were very interested in both her children.
00:15:35.560I had a twin brother, and we were both in the program initially.
00:15:39.020so um it was presented to parents as a is a very uh you know uh it was flattering it was a it was
00:15:47.880a positive yeah it was it for advanced kids it was like you're you're gonna jump eight grades
00:15:54.520you've got a genius for a daughter and we can help her to a great life and a great career and
00:16:01.300that's how were they selling it through schools or was it an ad in the paper do you know or were
00:22:52.140Well, they would have to have a good reason for my not going home if I had parents and lived in a house in the suburbs, right, in a normal family situation.
00:23:03.680so um there are different scenarios but one of the i was taken out of uh school quite often
00:23:12.200under various pretexts and i i can't say i remember everything that happened but it appears
00:23:19.760from people i have people who knew me for example have told me well i used to be down in the they
00:23:25.780saw me down in the bronfman mansion well they saw me downtown there's i was at the hospital
00:23:31.420so different stories would be told in one case I my mother enrolled me in second grade I was in
00:23:39.080a ballet class but I never took any ballet I at the end of the at the end of the year when we had
00:23:46.220the we had the recital they put me in a costume I had no idea of the routine at all and I and I'm
00:23:51.840just made a total fool of myself because you know in this ballet recital they still put me in it
00:23:58.500because my mother was in the audience,
00:24:28.320largely anyway not all of it what other people have told you about your own life
00:24:34.580it's a mixed bag i have very um clear memories um of certain things like i remember being in
00:24:45.080an underground facility at the age of four and children were being tortured
00:24:51.320and i remember and it's very clear and i've known about it all my life i even wrote about it
00:24:58.580in the 80s and published a story about this so i didn't pull this out of nowhere out of you know
00:25:04.420from reading uh conspiracy theories but but yeah i i tried to tell my mother well uh there there's
00:25:11.540this place in the and they're dressed there are witches and they're torturing the children and
00:25:16.260And the children were on an assembly line built, strapped down, and they were these, well, you know, years later, I read exactly the same scenario coming from a survivor from California, from the China Lake Underground Military Facility.
00:25:35.940And she describes the assembly line and what was being done to the children, which I witnessed.
00:25:41.480and you know it's it's a very that's a clear memory that i had from the age of four
00:25:46.620but my mother of course didn't believe me she said that was a bad dream and i remember clearly
00:25:56.280the conversation right that she doesn't believe me but you know and um i remember you know you
00:26:03.920you remember certain things but you have to also keep in mind that this whole experiment was based
00:26:09.200on wiping memory erasing memory that's what the electroshock was that's what the lsd was
00:26:18.080about right and hypnosis was being used and sensory isolation so i don't know if i'm being
00:26:25.860clear about what was going on down at mcgill was there was a group of children um in a laboratory
00:26:33.700they lived there they were disposables because they were orphans they were from broken homes
00:26:39.060The parents were sick, couldn't take care of them.
00:26:41.820Doctors offered, you know, to take their children, and they were there.
00:26:47.980They lived there, and they died there also when the project folded in 1963.
00:28:28.100was about erasing uh the personality and you know then you and then you rebuild it you build it back
00:28:36.100up from nothing so he would reduce people to infancy um and they did that to my father my
00:28:42.340father was a cameron patient in 1962 for six weeks um around the it's you know around that time i
00:28:52.380was I was in sixth grade and I thought I was living just a normal you know life I mean I was
00:28:59.360going to school and I would you know I was just a little school girl with friends and doing sports
00:29:04.900and different things were happening but my father was taken away from us suddenly he and came back
00:29:12.620six weeks later and didn't recognize us didn't know really who we were and that was because
00:29:19.520he'd been de-patterned he'd been you know he'd gone through some drugging and and electroshock
00:29:24.100process at the hospital the allen memorial under he is listed as a cameron patient i have a you
00:29:30.120know card that shows he was a cameron patient his other doctor was a different was a different
00:29:36.500psychiatrist called dr roper who i think took charge of him after and um and my my he wasn't
00:29:44.100able to work anymore he was taken from school where he was a music teacher and taken down
00:29:49.500downtown from school under i don't know why exactly but suddenly we were told he was in the
00:29:54.200hospital and six weeks later he arrived home and couldn't teach anymore of course because he
00:30:00.160couldn't remember his own children's names i want i wonder why they would send him back to you
00:30:05.440if they had completely and totally wiped his brain they must have known that he wouldn't
00:30:09.880recognize you or maybe that was part of the experiment to see if he would they were doing
00:30:15.400it at that point 1962 1963 it was over that winter they were they were um they had ramped
00:30:23.220it up to the point where they you know there were many people that that that went home to their
00:30:29.020families and didn't know their families there there were women who had you know had uh postpartum
00:30:35.600depression and and uh completely wiped so they you know they're reduced to infancy they don't
00:30:40.620they don't know their own names they don't know how to go to the bathroom or they don't you know
00:30:44.420It was obviously completely destructive of the person, the people that they were trying, they said they were trying to help, they were trying to cure of different, you know, neuroses.
00:31:02.080And they would send them home and, you know, the thing is my father within a fairly short time started, you know, he began to come back.
00:31:10.260he did you know then start to remember things but i know that he was often
00:31:13.900concealing his lack of memory you know he was hiding the fact that he didn't remember things
00:31:19.820anymore do you remember anything that they did to you do you have any memories of that or or is
00:31:28.400your childhood from the age of four like when did you finally get out of that nightmare
00:31:33.720and did i finally get out of it um not to say that you because i know that this is probably
00:31:41.220a lifelong healing process and because of what they did to you but when you stopped actually
00:31:48.560taking part in the programming i suppose is what what i'm asking it's hard you know it's hard to
00:31:55.020give a short answer to questions no no it doesn't have to be short i mean it doesn't have to be you
00:32:00.160can go on and on here go ahead yeah I mean you know I can I could let me think how to say it
00:32:07.980it seems that um once my father okay my father was put in the hospital in December of 1962 he
00:32:18.260came home in January of 1963 um and we were told you know he had been treated my mother said he's
00:32:25.140going to get slowly better you know he's going to seem different for a while but the doctors are
00:32:29.980whole you know are optimistic that he he had been a really difficult kind of guy to live with in
00:32:35.500many ways he was often angry he had a lot of nervous energy that you know and and so okay
00:32:41.580he he was came home and he was very calm and you know and then he sort of slowly recovered his
00:32:49.100memory a lot over that okay over that winter um i don't know how to tell this story exactly
00:32:56.940It seems that I was unaware of this, the sinister side of this whole thing.
00:33:04.520But he told me one day we were playing chess or something, you know, because we were interacting.
00:33:10.800He said, they're not doing anything good down at that hospital.
00:34:04.740Were they just homeless people from the street?
00:34:07.640No, they had a very, the Allen Memorial had a very good reputation,
00:34:13.840and they had frequent free publicity in the local English newspapers,
00:34:21.440the Montreal Gazette and the Montreal Star,
00:34:23.900both of whose owners were investing in the program there that some of the big donors
00:34:30.340to this mind control program so the newspapers were in on it mcgill university was in on it
00:34:37.640mcgill was getting massive amounts of funding for these kinds of you know i mean for programs that
00:34:43.820were related and cameron was a great public relations man so people had a very high opinion
00:34:49.180You know, the NFB, the National Film Board, made a film about how they could help people through their new cutting-edge psychiatry, and they would go home to their families and they would be able to live normally, people who had had difficulties in relationships before, and they made propaganda film, one in particular.
00:35:09.180But it was just a kind of common knowledge in a way.
00:35:13.600It was the official story was that it was a great place that was helping people, you know, cope and get ready for the future, you know, the new society that was coming.
00:35:23.920And nobody had a clue what they were really doing.
00:35:27.420There was because it looked so normal, except for the people walking around not knowing who they were, where they were.
00:35:33.440Well, except by, yeah, and by 1960, I was told by Warren Allman, he was the attorney general of Canada, I think.
00:35:42.820But before, in those days, he knew of many people who had been totally ruined by the treatment.
00:35:49.340And there was a group of people that formed and they demonstrated outside the hospital.
00:36:01.040but it you know it didn't go anywhere i mean it was just didn't get newspaper coverage that's for
00:36:06.940sure so this is this is the program that essentially existed right under people's noses
00:36:12.820people didn't know what was really going on in there because it looked so normal
00:36:17.540it's like bringing millions yeah it was bringing in millions it was allowing mcgill to expand and
00:36:23.720become you know a leading hospital it was it had always been a center for experimental psychology
00:36:29.780you know and it offered i think mcgill's big drawing card was it was it had human beings
00:36:35.940that it was offering as guinea pigs and you know and and and some of that was secret but some of
00:36:41.380those guinea pigs were children and some of the guinea pigs were patients who came who went in
00:36:47.180there and sometimes they go in you know because they had a sore arm and they would end up being
00:36:51.760diagnosed with schizophrenia or you know and and then subjected to two weeks of of this uh mind
00:36:59.680control so you go in with appendicitis and you come out and you're a completely different person
00:37:05.920you can be totally psychotic or completely just nobody there you know gone blank and it's like i
00:37:13.020don't know what happened to the guy i mean he was fine when he went in and then he comes out and he's
00:37:17.700crazy he's a different person yeah and you know there's so well with the lead plaintiff in the
00:37:23.520case that at the moment is julie gold and her father was a you know loving father but he had
00:37:30.420some i forget what it was you know neurological issue with his face or something some pain some
00:37:35.280chronic pain and they put him in the island and he came back he he was a monster after that that
00:37:40.700you know he he terrorized his family you're talking about the uh the mk ultra class action
00:37:47.360that that you were part of that had been launched against the u.s government last uh tober this is
00:37:55.060a story from the cbc they said that the quebec high court said that the u.s has immunity in canada
00:38:00.740and that they can't be touched so yeah the cia has immunity everywhere
00:38:07.480you know they're above the law and so our government agrees is is the case progressing
00:38:16.560at all i have you heard any anything new or is there going to be an appeal at this point we are
00:38:22.880appealing but we have to have it we have to have the appeal uh approved you know we've i think the
00:38:27.640application i don't know if it's been submitted but it's now in a waiting phase and it really
00:38:32.740feels as though the case is stalled i mean to be perfectly honest i've a lot of great work has
00:38:39.960gone into it and there's a thousand uh people who've signed on to it who say that their family
00:38:46.160members were were victims i am one of the few i believe you know i say that was actually in there
00:38:53.080that's still alive because most of the patients cameron's patients have passed on but since i was
00:38:59.820four years old yeah it seems to me this program was never meant for people to know about it
00:39:07.600right like it was it was always secret and somehow it got out to the public
00:39:13.800how did that do you know how it leaked out to become public knowledge
00:39:18.660long series well in particular in 1977 um an american uh writer journalist john marx wrote
00:39:30.700a book called the search for the manchurian candidate right and it got um international
00:39:37.360attention it was you know in all the media and it mentioned it it it um it talked about many
00:39:44.160projects because mk ultra i think was 149 different sub projects across north america i
00:39:49.840actually think there were more but those weren't those are the ones they you know he found files
00:39:54.680that identified the projects and he found the financial records and so from those he was able
00:40:00.020to make you know to determine you know the extent of and how it worked and who and to some extent
00:40:07.080who was involved even though the the files are heavily redacted right but there's guesswork
00:40:13.680involved in it too but anyway he came out with his book the search for the manchurian candidate
00:40:18.420it talked about dr cameron in montreal dr cameron in montreal was one of the i it's it's always
00:40:24.880mentioned whenever anyone talks about mk ultra it's like the number one the worst case of um
00:40:31.280the largest human experiment ever conducted on an unwitting population you know in history in the
00:40:39.160history world of north america you know it's it's a huge thing it's always at the top of the
00:40:45.520you know list when they talk about mk ultra and yet for in montreal it's it's still pretty much
00:40:53.200kept secret i mean people know about it finally now but for years uh i would say they managed to
00:41:01.660you know they managed to uh put a whole city under you know under an estate of amnesia
00:41:08.280hypnotize the whole population into thinking nothing bad ever happened we can we can talk
00:41:14.200about germany during world war ii right people saying i didn't know that there were concentration
00:41:19.560camps i didn't know they were burning people in ovens and yet they could see the ashes in the sky
00:41:26.840they could smell it they knew but they never said anything right and that's exactly yeah
00:41:33.520oh it's the same thing that happened when i was writing when i was writing my cold war which was
00:41:41.180back in around that 2003 i was back in montreal and i had already done massive amount of research
00:41:46.160while living out in vancouver and then came back to montreal i swear that i could not go anywhere
00:41:51.460couldn't go to dinner couldn't go to any any any gathering or or even sit on the bus
00:41:56.700and with the person next to me starting to tell me about their their story of the family
00:42:02.560uh that were cameron victims it just seemed that every everywhere i went someone someone had a
00:42:09.040family member somebody you know knew someone someone had been in in some way harmed by this
00:42:13.700program they were everywhere and yet officially they they managed to limit the um it okay after
00:42:21.3801977 uh the canadian you know press was forced to admit that that this was a real thing that
00:42:29.340had happened in montreal so they did start to release stories on it and reports and they'd
00:42:34.360interview people who were who had survived it and so on and former patients and but what they
00:42:39.660managed to do was to was to um it was a limited hangout in that they talked about some of the
00:42:46.840worst cases people were reduced to vegetables they never recovered or they committed suicide
00:42:51.880or they were they told a handful of these kinds of stories that were so bad that i didn't at that
00:42:58.780time, you know, I was 26. My father had died already a couple of years earlier. So I couldn't
00:43:04.500ask him. My mother refused to talk to me about it. And I could not really relate my father's
00:43:11.560situation, his case, to these horror stories, because in fact, he got off fairly easily.
00:43:18.780You know, even though he lost his job, and he lost a lot of his memory, and he wasn't the same
00:43:23.460after the the horror stories were so graphic and so and so extreme that you it left out the
00:43:31.800hundreds and hundreds of people who you know had other sorts of situations sometimes just as bad
00:43:38.980but you know different and they kind they kind of controlled the narrative in that kind of way by
00:43:43.860by limiting you know and um and then they only told the story so now when i wrote my book in 2000
00:43:51.360I was told in 2003, 2004, I started going to publishers, and they would, most of the time, people would say to me when I told them what the book was about, they would say, well, that's already been talked, that's already been written about.
00:44:03.200Everybody knows that that happened, but they thought that it only happened to a few people.
00:44:07.940And there's been compensation, but not really, no.
00:44:11.460There's, you know, there's a thousand people now signed on to the lawsuit, and this is, you know, only using the internet, not much media attention at all.
00:44:20.520and that's just montreal quebec right that's just montreal although some of them are across
00:44:26.860yeah they're across canada you were saying earlier that their objective was to cure mental illness
00:44:33.740a different array of mental illnesses through these treatments that they were trying to develop
00:44:40.340on unwitting um people yeah in the research that you've done did they have any success
00:44:51.940with that or was there a deeper objective and when you talk about a manchurian candidate i guess
00:44:58.920that's what i'm getting to here because you did mention to me earlier today something about the
00:45:03.760trudeau family and the bronfman family and we can talk about that later on as well because that's
00:58:50.740I mean, there's a network and if you say it, I mean, the way I say it, people just say, oh, well, she's crazy and she makes stuff up.
00:59:03.820I'm prone to imagining things, but I think the more we go deeper and deeper with time and the more attention we pay and the more research we do and the more stories come out, the more connections can be made.
00:59:17.320the more to me it becomes obvious that this has been you know this is the story of our lives
00:59:24.480really after world war ii you know operation papercliff and so on you've you've read about
00:59:30.120that yeah i mean that's what i'm getting here when you when you talked about this
00:59:34.740hitler's second in command who went by the name of green over here he was probably part of that
00:59:41.260um and who knows if hitler even really died right i mean there's all kinds of speculation that
01:00:04.180I think that the powers that be want us in that situation.
01:00:09.760They want us, they want us to not know what to believe.
01:00:15.160And so they leak some stuff and then other stuff they say, that's crazy.
01:00:19.740And now look, I mean, they're having hearings in the United States House of Representatives regarding unidentified flying objects where for years they said, no, no, no, that's just a weather balloon.
01:00:34.360And now all of a sudden they're talking about it like it's real and there's people testifying.
01:02:03.080anyway um who also talks about trudeau in michigan
01:02:09.080what does she say or can you say it's pretty much pretty much parallel to what kathy ford you know
01:02:17.800excuse me kathy ford to someone else uh kathy o'brien says and that is parallel to what aneka
01:02:24.540just told you know the interviewer that he was a violent pedophile and he and he was a programmer
01:02:31.840He was a mind control programmer and he was part of this elite group that included the Clintons and the Gerald Ford and the Bush family and all the all the players, you know, and the Mackinac Island, I think, was also the location, which is in the in Lake Michigan.
01:02:47.160um what do you think about all this i mean you you mentioned the jesuits
01:02:53.720and we've talked about what annika lucas said to patrick pet david the other day you just
01:03:01.940referenced it just now is there a global network is it real don't ask me i'm not part of it well
01:03:12.460I mean, yeah, I think there's plenty of evidence, you know, that there is.
01:03:19.420Does that mean, yeah, I think there is, you know.
01:03:27.260I mean, I think there's always been an elite that has had access to, you know, control, means of control and information and propaganda and all that.
01:04:35.620Because I saw the techniques being used.
01:04:37.300And I remember, you know, watching television one night in British Columbia just with, you know, in a restaurant where they were playing this and saying to my friend, you know, how did they get all this?
01:17:19.640And they went into a meditation, and then all of a sudden they were in a room
01:17:26.060at McGill it was 1960 and there were children and one by one first they went to the party
01:17:35.800and they described what was going on at the party including there was a little girl who had a polio
01:17:42.020brace on a table and she was dead and the other children were standing around looking at her
01:17:49.260she had died and that was one of the first things that they that they saw and then they saw
01:17:54.220the games and what the symbols were. They named all the symbols on the cards
01:17:58.620that children had to guess and then some of the rough games that were
01:18:02.620going on and they just described this and then they spoke to a couple of
01:18:07.100children and got the full story of why they were there, what brought them, who
01:18:12.400they were and what happened later to these kids. So I wrote it all
01:18:17.740down and then the following another meeting we had, we went to the laboratory
01:18:24.220And there were about 10 kids living in the laboratory underground at McGill, and they all had names.
01:18:30.040And each one of them told us, it was like we were interviewing, who are you and why are you here?
01:18:38.400And there was one little girl, the first girl had, she was tied to a chair with electrodes in her head, coming out of her head, tied to a machine.
01:18:48.480And we said, how long have you been there?
01:18:49.980She said, I don't know, it's been years.
01:18:51.380and uh when i when i need to pee i just pee you know she never she couldn't leave the chair
01:18:57.680and uh she was 16 years old she told us her mother's name i looked her up there were several
01:19:06.000other kids who told equally her you know all kinds of things happened um um later i actually
01:19:13.120looked i got two of the names i went down to the archives the city montreal and i found both of them
01:19:18.440in the archives and uh and with a proper with the proper dates you know the those dates
01:19:26.400so you could say that with psychic research you know but you know you could you could have all
01:19:33.300kinds of experiences on the psychic plane you can't prove it you can't prove any of it you can
01:19:37.380just you have a vivid story but in this case there were some things that i was able to verify
01:19:44.240with research yeah yeah yeah well if you can verify them then i suppose you can explain it
01:19:52.600i don't know how they did it but you know what i mean but this is the the research i did they were
01:20:00.500right how is that even possible unless they're telling the truth that they were there yeah
01:20:07.900as they did remote viewing let me ask you and oh go ahead no no that's it i just thank you yeah
01:20:15.240thank you for getting it sure um i want to talk about leonard cohen and what you told me was very
01:20:24.760interesting earlier today when we were talking about him kind of appearing at places where there
01:20:34.040was going to be an event a major event and one of them was the shooting of john lennon
01:20:41.140because we had heard and and i ran one uh piece on my my website last week that mark david chapman
01:20:51.760was a stooge or somebody under mk ultra mind control who did it because when he's questioned
01:21:00.040later he doesn't know why he did it he didn't hate john lennon it had nothing to do with that book
01:21:06.520the catcher in the rye he liked john lennon he got an autograph from john lennon on on his latest
01:21:12.100album that afternoon and then he turned and shoots him five times and he can't explain why
01:21:18.960like what but leonard cohen was there wasn't he
01:21:25.120uh yeah he was well here's another story tell that story please i mean that's such an interesting
01:21:34.360story that i think people want to hear that well i can't tell it i can't do justice to the you know
01:21:41.860an interview like this really to the intricacies but there but it took it was over go ahead take
01:21:47.540your time take your time i mean you know what guys once again tonight we're gonna go long
01:21:52.240just like we did last night but i find this stuff fascinating and uh you know you've got
01:21:58.320you can edit it right later no i know you can't
01:22:02.3601500 people watching us right now they were here they want to hear it
01:22:08.640hi oh my that many now i'm now i have stage fright no okay no i
01:22:14.400i can tell it i've told it i've told it many times i would see i wrote i wrote a memoir called
01:22:21.280um the man next door Leonard Cohen and the man next door I when I got to the end that's when I
01:22:28.700realized that yeah he likely whatever that that um when I got to the very end of the book that's
01:22:38.360when I realized what I had just not proven but I'd basically told it okay what it's okay
01:38:26.740what else can they do to people what they aim to do was you know yeah there's a book it's called
01:38:36.220carry on comfort i'm not sure if you've ever heard of it you said you read a lot so i thought
01:38:41.000i'd throw it out there it's by a guy called dan simmons it's a work of fiction and it talks about
01:38:46.680this small cabal of people who secretly control the world but they have the ability to control
01:38:55.260other people through their minds and it's a terrible terrible book it's a great book great
01:39:03.840story but a terrible book if you know what i mean it's it's almost like you're offended reading it
01:39:11.680because of the things that these people do imagine having that kind of power where you could actually
01:39:19.080go into somebody else's body and control them like a puppet which is what these characters in
01:39:24.320this book do. What kind of a person would that be? Would that person be human at that stage of
01:39:36.480the game? When we talk about the rich, the elite, the people who apparently feed off something
01:39:42.320called adrenochrome, and yes, YouTube algorithms, there is in fact a substance that is called
01:39:47.980adrenochrome these people live a different plane of existence than the rest of us do
01:39:55.220right they don't have to go shopping every day they're not bothered by the day-to-day0.98
01:40:01.180naggings of the rest of the world the useless eaters out there these people they they live1.00
01:40:06.960above us in the clouds almost what kind of people would these be and what would they be capable of1.00
01:40:17.980Right? These are the kinds of people who might think, hey, I'm going to grab somebody off the street and put them in a mind control experiment. Or I'm going to go and get a little girl who's four or five years old and put her in a mind control experiment for 10 or 12 years, just to see what happens.
01:55:04.340they were on they were completely disabled by the the flooding was completely debilitating
01:55:11.860they spent all their waking hours and sleeping hours remembering horrible things that were done
01:55:19.880and i was told don't do it you're functioning you know you're you're you're okay you have memory
01:55:26.520walls you have you know you've been able to you've had a life that's what you know up to now
01:55:31.920Some people are so damaged by those experiments, they need to go through that therapy process just in order to live.
01:55:41.260But in the end, you know, they can end up on drugs, disability, all kinds of stuff, you know, diagnosed as psychotic or whatever, because they've done that work.
01:55:52.720It's a risk and it's a huge investment.
01:55:55.400So early on, it's as though I was being told, approach it at your own speed from the outside.
01:56:01.920you know, from the, as a journalist, rather than a victim. And so slowly, you know, but then slowly,
01:56:10.020you know, the inside and the outside start to meet. I mean, I had my own memories and subjective,
01:56:14.460you know, experiences and so on. Plus, I had people that I knew. That's the whole thing is that
01:56:20.080it seems I was with a group of children, most of them died. I was a weekend child, or I would come
01:56:29.020after school i was coming and going they were stuck in there and they and most of them they
01:56:34.140didn't get out because they they would have been a danger you know a threat to mcgill to to the
01:56:40.460scientists right they would have been able to report but i was being mind-controlled memory
01:56:46.940wiped and taken home and i didn't know where i'd been this is my this is what i believe this is
01:56:53.340what i've put together about my life and that there's a huge gaps and you know like i missed
01:56:58.080100 days of school in grade two exactly 100 days 100 days out of 200 and I still you know got top
01:57:05.420marks and you know seven years old praise from the teacher and so on but I mean I wasn't in school
01:57:11.520they were taking me out they were and that's when I probably spent quite a bit of time with Leonard
01:57:16.580Cohen downtown because he seemed to have he seemed to remember me from as a child he spoke to me as
01:57:24.060if he remembered me as a child he called me we annie you know and various kinds of jokes he would
01:57:29.880make interesting that trying to see whether i remembered do you remember him from childhood
01:57:37.100no this is another thing no i it's like no i remember seeing him for the first time on
01:57:45.560television when i was 15 and he was singing the stranger song and it's absolutely imprinted in me
01:57:50.740you know that that performance on canadian television and after that i was very interested
01:57:56.460in him i bought his books and i later bought a record and so on you know and then i met him i
01:58:01.880began seeing him in the streets in montreal he would be wandering he'd be in the streets and he
01:58:06.340he'd often greet me or he didn't know who i was but i was just a girl and he talked to girls you
01:58:13.400know and and i was tall and he liked tall girls or something but no and then when i met him uh he
02:04:48.080In the last five years, I've started to have some connections with a whole other side of this program that I think was part of it and that was wiped from my memory.
02:04:59.900And it had to do with the music business and it had to do with the Rolling Stones.
02:05:04.020and i've met their manager you know their first manager and i've had a whole i'm in the process
02:05:09.620of writing writing the whole story of that but um that's kind of fun in a way but i okay just to say
02:05:18.740i believe that all of these bands all of the music of the 60s one way or another fell under
02:05:27.140the umbrella of the uh of the mind control programming of the time including the beatles
02:05:33.460the rolling stones you know the dave clark five over the whole the whole all of them donovan you
02:05:39.500know all these people the british invasion for goodness sake they they say the british invasion