The Shadoe Davis Show - April 20, 2024


Shadoe at Nite Fri Apr 19th⧸2024 One on One w⧸Michelle Leduc Catlin of the NCI


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00:07:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome.
00:07:26.980 It is Shadow at Night for Friday, April the 19th, 2024.
00:07:30.480 Special guest on the show tonight, host of the TrueDub podcast and the face, I guess
00:07:35.920 you could say the face of the, well, there's so many different faces of the National Citizens
00:07:40.640 Inquiry, but definitely one of the people who got the message out through one-on-one
00:07:48.200 interviews with all of the people that testified at the hearings all across the country.
00:07:54.400 Michelle LaDuke Catlin joins the show in just a couple of minutes,
00:07:59.560 and I can't wait to hear her story.
00:08:02.280 We know how Sean and Teresa Buckley became involved with the National Citizens' Inquiry
00:08:07.240 because they've been on the show before.
00:08:09.440 We know about Ken and Rosalie Drysdale's involvement.
00:08:12.160 They were on the show last night.
00:08:13.720 As a matter of fact, Ken has been on the show so many times,
00:08:17.580 I owe him a set of steak knives.
00:08:19.280 I know I keep saying that, but one of these days,
00:08:21.300 You'll see a picture of me handing Ken his set of steak knives.
00:08:27.900 There's got to be some kind of a participation prize here.
00:08:31.300 So Michelle joins the show in just a moment.
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00:11:09.420 Naranda is watching in Calgary on Facebook tonight. Linda is watching in Trenton. Hello.
00:11:14.740 Tony is watching on X in the City of Blue Sky, I think they're calling it now.
00:11:20.000 This is what Jody Gondek, the mayor of Calgary, spent $4.8 million on over the past two years,
00:11:25.940 coming up with a new slogan, a new handle, a new name for Calgary, and I think it's the City of Blue Sky.
00:11:32.560 Great use of taxpayer dollars there.
00:11:35.000 Hello, Sheila, watching in Oshawa.
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00:11:59.300 Over on Rumble, it's Midnight Oil.
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00:12:13.620 Hello, Midnight Oil and COVID Warrior 77.
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00:12:21.840 Hello, everybody, on Rumble tonight.
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00:12:36.020 and email or group. Again, let's get this out to as many people as we possibly can.
00:12:43.200 All right, one quick thing before we bring Michelle on here, and that is last night I
00:12:48.820 completely neglected to put the website Manitoba Stronger Together on the screen. We talked about
00:12:53.900 it, Ken and Rosalie and I talked about it, the big event coming up, the Canada Stronger Together
00:12:59.300 event which is on manitobastrongertogether.ca the events page right so manitoba all one word
00:13:07.160 manitobastrongertogether.ca live event coming up in june june 21st 22nd and 23rd i'll be your mc
00:13:16.340 i'll be moderating all of the big roundtable panels we would love to see you there the prices
00:13:21.920 are absolutely reasonable and and we're talking about like half the price of what rebel news is
00:13:27.700 charging for one day. These guys are charging half of that price for three days. And Ken mentioned
00:13:34.020 last night, they're bringing some big names, some top-notch speakers in for keynote addresses
00:13:39.680 this weekend as well. So if you can make it to Manitoba, we would love to see you here for the
00:13:45.640 Canada Stronger Together conference. It's in Bozes, your Manitoba, which is about 20 minutes
00:13:50.860 northeast of Winnipeg. It's not far. It's a bedroom community. June 21st, 22nd, and 23rd.
00:13:56.720 again manitobastrongertogether.ca that is the website we would love to see you there are we
00:14:03.460 going to see you there michelle it's possible we would love to see you there you know what here's
00:14:09.320 something interesting we've had sean buckley on the show before so we know how he became involved
00:14:14.220 in the national citizens inquiry of course like i was mentioning ken drysdale's been on so many
00:14:20.900 times i can't even count anymore and this is your first appearance on this show uh we don't know
00:14:27.060 how you became involved with the national citizens inquiry as the spokesperson pretty much the one
00:14:33.540 and and you know i've got so many questions for you and we had a tremendous conversation on the
00:14:37.800 phone just the other day so we're gonna try and replicate that tonight but how did how did you
00:14:42.200 become involved with this venture yeah so i was asked that's simple huh that's pretty much it i
00:14:54.160 just turned my life upside down and uh and i mean did you did you know exactly what was going to be
00:15:00.660 involved and what you would personally be tasked with no of course sorry but no not even a little
00:15:09.100 bit. I mean, the fact is we were inventing something. So, you know, I was asked to be
00:15:14.880 spokesperson and that basically meant, okay, so you'll do interviews with the media, right? You
00:15:21.320 will be the voice for the media. But as you know, the media didn't exactly turn up. So what happened
00:15:29.120 was that when I got there, we had a possibility of doing some news stories for an outlet that
00:15:36.100 was interested, that kind of fell through. But then someone had said to me, could you give us
00:15:42.400 like a summary at the end of the day? And I said, you know, the only way this is going to work is
00:15:47.520 the first night of hearings, we were up until about one or two o'clock in the morning. And then
00:15:52.900 of course, up at seven o'clock the next day. And I thought this, okay, this is not a schedule we
00:15:57.800 can keep. But I made a decision very early on that I'm not an investigative journalist, right?
00:16:06.060 I'm not going to, to do that kind of work. But what I can do is I can speak to people as my
00:16:15.720 peers, I can speak to the audience as my friends, as I would want to be sitting down and having a
00:16:21.140 conversation over dinner. So every night, I would sit down and I would do we called it a sit down
00:16:27.020 summary. And I would just speak to people, I would speak about what happened, what I heard,
00:16:32.920 I expressed my feelings, my thoughts about it. So it wasn't just a, you know, a report.
00:16:39.420 And then the other thing was, as you mentioned, I interviewed individual witnesses. So on every
00:16:44.580 break, I would take one of the witnesses, particularly the lay witnesses, the people
00:16:49.880 who had been personally affected. And I did a short interview with them. And one of my
00:16:55.960 I guess, commitments was very early on, I saw that we could either do this as a kind of news
00:17:05.300 report, or again, we could do something a little different. And the NCI had purchased one of those
00:17:10.780 banners, you know, those wall banners that you see at film festivals. And so I said to our AV
00:17:17.020 guy, David, I said, I want to do this all handheld. And I want a microphone with an NCI
00:17:24.060 mic flash on it I want it to look like a film festival I want this to be a celebration of these
00:17:31.140 courageous people right handheld you know buzz in the background from people in the lobby and let's
00:17:37.900 do this with that kind of energy so I ended up doing about two or three of those every day
00:17:43.900 plus the sit-down summaries so none of that was expected it was just something that was
00:17:50.660 invented along the way what were these these folks like after their testimonies because
00:17:56.920 you know as as ken and rosalie pointed out last night and it was interesting to get rosalie's
00:18:01.920 perspective last night about how things looked from where she sat and she wasn't at every uh
00:18:07.400 different uh stop along the way but she saw enough of it to get a good taste for it and many of these
00:18:14.080 people were incredibly emotional and nervous because this is the first time they're putting
00:18:20.620 their names out there their faces in front of all of those people in in the audience and i'm going
00:18:25.680 to say that the audience ranged anywhere between what 100 and 300 depending on where you were
00:18:30.620 not to mention all of the people who were watching across the country either live or on a recording
00:18:35.940 later on they must have been emotional and you must have had to adjust to their emotional level
00:18:45.080 which I'm sure affected you emotionally it's very astute yeah it definitely did and I
00:18:53.160 I actually made a point of at the end of each one-on-one interview I acknowledged them I
00:19:01.060 thanked them on behalf of Canadians, and I hugged them, every one of them, you know, as long as they
00:19:06.800 did not want to hug. It was emotional. And I didn't feel that it was something that was to be
00:19:14.320 avoided. I felt that it was something to be acknowledged and embraced. Because what's going
00:19:22.340 to make the difference and what I felt then, particularly a year ago, that while the NCI
00:19:27.560 collected this incredible body of evidence the world's largest body of sworn testimony what
00:19:33.900 really was going to make the difference for canadians was to feel to experience the heartbreak
00:19:41.920 the hardship that ordinary people experienced and for me the emotional part of the story
00:19:48.000 was the bigger part the part that i i felt would make the biggest difference how did you go about
00:19:53.380 accomplishing that. It's very difficult to sometimes draw emotion out of people. And then
00:19:59.720 it's also very difficult at times, not always, to convey that on, as Ken called it last night,
00:20:05.900 a little thumbnail screen that people are watching on. They're not, you know, a lot of times people
00:20:10.540 are watching on their mobiles, they're very small, and it makes it even more difficult to convey that
00:20:15.780 emotion? I think when people are speaking about devastation in their lives, you know, losing their
00:20:24.000 homes, their businesses, their health, you don't have to draw out emotion. For the most part, they
00:20:29.760 were trying to keep it in. I think that our job was to bear witness. Our job was to provide them
00:20:38.540 not just a physical space, not just the time, not just the recording, but the dignity,
00:20:44.880 the humanity of hearing and allowing in their testimony what kind of range of emotion were you
00:20:54.120 experiencing from these folks and did it seem to buoy them to go forward and become leaders
00:21:02.340 in this truth movement or did they seem shell-shocked and terrified afterwards i guess
00:21:08.180 there was all kinds of different uh experiences like that that's interesting i i mean it was a
00:21:14.000 mix right there were people who are definitely utilizing what happened to them to make a
00:21:19.800 difference carrie sakamoto right with uh with her lawsuit you know i met her i'm sorry to interrupt
00:21:25.500 i met her in person at the chris barber fundraiser about a month ago in swift current what a nice
00:21:30.780 nice nice person so sweet not expecting any of of this kind of attention and uh she's adjusting to
00:21:38.620 it but it's a whole new world for a lot of these people and i guess that's the gist of my question
00:21:43.960 You know, like these people are stepping into a world that they've never experienced before.
00:21:48.320 I, it's true.
00:21:50.180 I mean, for so many people that has been the case, most people are reluctant heroes.
00:21:57.620 You know, that is actually, that was actually the first kind of kernel of the idea for my podcast, because I was actually marching into Ottawa with James Topp on his last day.
00:22:11.980 and I was walking with Danny Bulford and you know when I spoke to him and when I spoke to James
00:22:18.860 my experience was here's two men who are introverted they are people who are not accustomed
00:22:26.860 to being public speakers they're not people who ever wanted that kind of limelight and yet
00:22:32.800 something had them step over whatever fears concerns they needed to step over to do that
00:22:40.900 And that for me was like, what is that quality? Because if people can recognize that these people are ordinary people, these people have fears, these people have concerns, but they're doing it anyway, then my hope is that we can recognize that same kind of humanity within ourselves and we will step over our own fears and concerns.
00:23:06.660 Did you figure out what that common denominator was?
00:23:10.900 You know, there are many answers to that question.
00:23:16.640 And I like to keep it as an open inquiry rather than one definitive answer.
00:23:22.900 But I would have to say that one of the themes is that people who are speaking out,
00:23:33.060 and it doesn't have to be publicly, I mean, even within their own communities,
00:23:36.640 people who are speaking out are connected to or present to their values they are unwilling to
00:23:48.480 live in a way that is inconsistent with their values there is something that has them true up
00:23:55.000 to those values those principles and i think it's sourced in different ways but that's the
00:24:04.020 ultimate kind of common thread you know interesting i i personally have been trying to boil this down
00:24:11.980 for the last three or four years because it's a you know something that ken and i and rosalie
00:24:16.640 spoke about last night i guess because we were talking about the departure of chris sky from the
00:24:22.160 freedom and truth scene he's made that announcement now this past week he's going to be shutting down 0.98
00:24:26.860 his social media i think he's out of canada and he's saying anybody who stays is an idiot or should 0.99
00:24:32.460 convert to Islam and you know I think that's probably going to be a big hole for our movement 0.98
00:24:40.000 not that everybody loved the guy he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way that's for sure they didn't
00:24:46.660 like his teeth they didn't like his clothes they didn't like his neck tats but the guy spoke truth
00:24:51.220 he spoke truth and maybe part of our job and something that we've failed at in the past couple
00:24:58.800 of years and I'll take full responsibility is not creating new people to step into those shoes or
00:25:06.660 even take over new roles in their own communities or finding a way to inspire them to do so and that
00:25:13.560 has been the thing that I have been trying to do with this show more than anything else I've got a
00:25:19.340 few pillars of this one and the first thing is to try and and somehow get people coax them into
00:25:26.700 that leadership role so they'll share this show, so they'll get it out there, so they'll
00:25:31.200 talk about, they'll learn. First of all, you need to be up to date on everything with factual
00:25:37.040 information before you can go out and talk about it, right? So I encourage people to get that
00:25:43.100 information ingrained in them so they can spout it out almost unconsciously. And once you've got
00:25:49.460 that down, then you can start talking to people, the people who are in the middle, that soft middle,
00:25:55.220 that that middle we've been talking about for the past three years those folks who sit there
00:26:00.480 knowing there's something wrong but not doing anything about it or maybe they just need that
00:26:06.840 one little thing to convince them yeah man this is bad right and so i've been looking for that
00:26:12.840 magic formula to try and bring people into this mix it's yeah i i have a slightly different
00:26:20.080 approach, although the same commitment. So for me, I talk about a lot about being the change.
00:26:28.900 And we've had a lot of focus on doing and all those things need to happen. We need to do a lot
00:26:35.760 of doing we need to read we need to keep ourselves informed, as you said. But we also talk about this
00:26:42.420 being a spiritual war. And we're not focusing on the spiritual side. And that for me, is the
00:26:52.300 impetus for everything else. I don't think you can convince people to take action. I think people
00:27:00.740 need to find something within themselves that has them be compelled to take action.
00:27:06.640 so my i also think that
00:27:12.560 people are so tired and worn out and for those movable middle i think one of the things that
00:27:22.660 gets in the way is that they just want it to be over with right so it's a little bit of naivete
00:27:27.880 a little bit of not wanting to face the truth and i think that we also have to focus on creative
00:27:36.380 solutions so that not everybody is going to be a fighter but many people can be creators
00:27:44.200 and we can do both of those by i don't want to get too esoteric but no it's all right i mean like
00:27:54.960 that be who you are that's the point of this well you know we we know that everything is energy
00:28:01.740 everything is vibration, right? And that there are negative energies that pull us down. And there
00:28:06.660 are buoyant energies that move us up. And I think we need to be focusing on that buoyant energy that
00:28:14.580 is creative. I think that's how we win this. I think that we know that love is the most powerful
00:28:20.220 force in the universe. We need to be loving on people, we need to be finding the compassion for
00:28:26.480 the people who were subjected to the greatest psyop in history and not blame them for their
00:28:34.740 actions towards us, but enroll them, have them get on side with us so that we can deal with the
00:28:41.460 people who are the real perpetrators. Michelle, when did, you just said the greatest psyop in
00:28:46.460 history, and this is something I've been wanting to get here. When did you become awake and aware
00:28:51.760 of everything that is going on did it happen all at once or was it a whole bunch of steps along the
00:28:58.660 way it was step can you imagine getting this all at once no man you'd be in bed for weeks
00:29:06.160 you know it's funny that you should say that because i occasionally still get one where
00:29:15.940 somebody will send me a piece of information and i'll go and research it as best i can
00:29:20.800 and once i verify it it's like oh my god it just knocks you back for a couple of days right now
00:29:27.900 there was a lot more at the beginning for me but i still get that every now and again and it's it's
00:29:35.020 like being kicked right in the stomach it's dark yeah it's so dark yeah it's almost like nervous
00:29:42.040 laughter you know i have to i have to once in a while just i mean it's absurd how deep and dark
00:29:49.660 it all gets to answer your question. Before all of this, I dealt with chronic fatigue for 13 years.
00:30:00.800 For the last seven of those years, I was doing daily health research. So every day I was digging
00:30:09.300 in and digging in, I was finding all kinds of alternative therapies. It was clear. And I was
00:30:14.900 exploring all the allopathic stuff available to me. And it was clear there was nothing available
00:30:20.600 there. And I ended up following a lot of cutting edge health gurus. And because of that, I got
00:30:31.380 information about, oh, I don't know, there's no excess death. There's this stuff called hydroxychloroquine.
00:30:38.720 there's this other stuff called ivermectin um i knew about vitamin d i knew about the importance
00:30:44.980 of exercise and sunshine and uh socializing and proper sleep hygiene and all kinds of things
00:30:52.940 and in fact i early on wrote this blog about i actually might have even written this in a letter
00:30:58.620 to uh premier doug ford about what a great time to bring back participation
00:31:04.620 you mean with hal johnson and joanne mcleod yes right i thought this this is really good we could
00:31:14.000 use this as an instigator to get everybody healthy right we know that health care costs
00:31:19.620 are exorbitant 80 of disease in canada is lifestyle you know imagine the money we could
00:31:26.760 save if we use this opportunity to bring back participation to get people growing community
00:31:33.240 gardens focusing on sunshine and you know good clean eating and proper sleep and blah blah blah
00:31:39.900 you know because i naively thought we just need solutions
00:31:44.520 yeah and then when you bring your solution to the government you get arrested you're right
00:31:54.620 hey look i got a way out of this yeah okay that's great keep it quiet you're in jail for the next
00:32:00.840 two months and and nobody's gonna know like you see that's the thing all of this totalitarian
00:32:06.000 stuff that started up in the past couple of years i mean did you ever think you'd see the day like
00:32:11.080 and there are still things that happen that mind boggle even now in our country things that i never
00:32:17.740 thought that i would ever you know even five years ago three years ago you look at it and go nah
00:32:23.440 they'll never do that and then they do it i know and some of this stuff you know when you try to
00:32:29.280 tell people they think that you're insane because that could only that's an insane thing you know
00:32:34.700 the online harms act that's insane that could never happen you know i there was an article
00:32:40.200 you probably saw from i think it was a uk publication that said that that uh um the
00:32:46.700 canadian online harms act would make george orwell and margaret atwood blush
00:32:50.920 yes that's right i mean scholars uh literary figures they've all come out against every
00:33:01.540 single censorship bill two of them now law that trudeau has implemented on this country
00:33:07.080 let me ask you this we've got a guy who's clearly a marxist at the head of our government in this
00:33:13.640 country uh pierre polyev has come out and said as much i'm not sure if you saw that video i played
00:33:18.980 on the show the other night, where he's walking with Jamil Giovanni, as they were campaigning
00:33:27.120 through Oshawa last year. And they stop at one woman's house, and she goes, you know,
00:33:31.640 this Trudeau, I don't know what to make of this. And he said, well, you know, he and
00:33:35.020 his father, they're Marxists. And that got caught on video, and all of the left-wing
00:33:39.440 corporate media went crazy about this. And then some expert came on. And this expert
00:33:45.760 said, well, it's clearly a pejorative
00:33:47.760 remark against Trudeau based
00:33:49.600 upon his social
00:33:51.420 policies and his monetary policies.
00:33:54.460 Well, that's what
00:33:55.520 makes him the Marxist
00:33:57.160 in the first place.
00:33:59.860 So it's not name-calling.
00:34:02.220 It's fact.
00:34:03.600 It's fact, and that's a different thing
00:34:05.660 altogether. So, do
00:34:07.620 you think that he is, in fact,
00:34:09.600 a Marxist, that he's in bed with the World
00:34:11.460 Economic Forum, and that
00:34:13.580 this country is going to be run right down
00:34:15.740 the crapper until such time as he's out and would Pierre Polyev even make a difference what are your
00:34:21.600 thoughts on all of this I mean we talk about this stuff on this show all the time but this is your
00:34:25.940 first appearance I want to know where you're at with all this so I don't tend to focus on
00:34:34.200 politics like politics political party politics um because i think that what happens is when we
00:34:46.460 use i'm not saying he's not a marxist i don't know if he's a marxist or not i'm saying that
00:34:51.240 when we use terms like marxist or communist um what happens is that we um divide yeah we divide
00:35:03.140 We secure the favor of those already on board and we alienate those who could see, but are put off by that because they think, oh, you're just a bunch of right wingers.
00:35:15.040 So, you know, so.
00:35:17.400 But you're a bunch of Marxists.
00:35:20.760 That's worse.
00:35:25.780 I prefer to think of to focus on authoritarianism.
00:35:31.780 totalitarianism right that's what's happening right which is a hallmark of marxism by the way
00:35:37.460 but anyway i mean let's let's continue on well you could also argue that it's fascism right it is the
00:35:44.560 it is the marriage of it's corporatism and it's corporate and government you know this is this is
00:35:50.520 a whole new thing this is something that we've never experienced before in my personal opinion
00:35:55.440 I mean, we've got a totalitarian minded leader who is combining like technocracy because of AI is coming into it.
00:36:06.700 And there is a touch of fascism in there and there's a touch of Nazism in there.
00:36:11.740 You know, it is mind blowing. 0.77
00:36:14.480 They're putting it all together for one big, ugly, new kind of.
00:36:19.320 See, this is my point, is that so, you know, you go far enough right and far enough left, eventually they kind of meet somewhere. So we're in this whole new world. And I think it's really important that we not keep focusing on this old left-right paradigm, that we really focus on that tyranny, that authoritarianism.
00:36:41.200 yeah well what i'm saying is that you know you call somebody a marxist i mean to me it's not
00:36:46.520 about party politics at this point this is good versus evil this is about right versus wrong
00:36:53.420 this is about freedom and you know i we talked about this a little bit last night we don't want
00:37:00.740 to use the word freedom anymore it's been bastardized ken said that i think kev my
00:37:05.320 canada nano silver guy was on last night for a bit he said that and i've heard a lot of that
00:37:09.840 from people and i tend to agree it's more about truth seeking at this point and so we're not
00:37:19.840 talking about party politics now we're talking about is this person right for the job do they
00:37:24.960 believe in the principles that we believe in i don't care what color tie you're wearing at this
00:37:30.360 point it doesn't matter right but it just seems that the lefties are by far and away the the
00:37:39.400 authoritarians and the righties are the people who are screaming freedom. That's how it seems.
00:37:45.660 And I'm sure there are some, I mean, the guy that set himself on fire today, Michelle, in front of
00:37:50.080 the Trump courthouse in New York, this guy, I read about him today. He put out a manifesto before he
00:37:56.180 did it. He's a Marxist, but he also believes that there's some very dark times coming from a global
00:38:02.960 cabal so i don't know what to make of this guy and i'm sure there are some people like that very
00:38:09.260 much in the middle of this going yeah yeah you know i believe in socialism but i also believe
00:38:13.840 in freedom but that that's the point is look i came from the left that's that was my home base
00:38:21.480 i now the left left me i don't see the left representing what they used to represent the
00:38:27.540 left used to represent the working class the left used to represent free speech the left used to
00:38:34.920 represent all those things so this is why that paradigm is irrelevant and i believe you can be
00:38:41.400 you can be anywhere on the political spectrum but still see that there's something else happening
00:38:47.780 here there's something that is there's something that is as you said bad like clearly you know
00:38:55.400 not good clearly unhealthy clearly inhuman yeah yeah so what are some solutions to this
00:39:05.360 i mean people and you know i fear that once polyev gets elected whenever this election happens people
00:39:11.300 are going to go back to sleep and go thank goodness we've got a guy in there we need to
00:39:15.800 stay sharp and we need to stay focused on on getting our country back to where it should be
00:39:21.700 So I'm sure in your Trued Up podcast, by the way, tell us a little bit about that before answering this question, that you've come up with some solutions or solution-based ideas or talk to some people about solution-based ideas.
00:39:35.700 So I will clarify that. I'm not talking about solutions to problems. I'm not even in that paradigm. I'm talking about what it is to live a life trued up to your values and principles.
00:39:48.660 because the fact is it's not polyev that's going to save us nobody's coming to save us
00:39:54.200 and that's really the message behind the podcast i'm really inquiring into what makes people
00:40:01.360 see the truth what has people be able to see it and accept it and others not what has some people
00:40:09.880 stand up for what they believe in and others don't what has some people see have fear and act
00:40:17.260 anyway. Because for me, the missing piece, or at least the piece that I can offer in the puzzle,
00:40:26.620 because we need everybody taking all different kinds of actions, focused on all different kinds
00:40:31.300 of things, some people on issues, some people on, on strategies. For me, it's about who we're being.
00:40:38.320 That's, that's the inquiry that I live inside of, because that's, that these are the questions I'm
00:40:44.520 always asking myself and I'm always looking to see what is wanted and needed and what skills do
00:40:51.760 I have that I can bring to the table and how can I use them and it comes back to what you asked me
00:40:57.320 about getting involved with the NCI initially because I had been writing about what was
00:41:03.560 happening for a couple of years and I had made a conscious decision to then bring my my on-camera
00:41:11.740 skills, my broadcasting skills to the table. I didn't know how, because I'd been out of that
00:41:17.040 for quite some time for the decade that I was sick. And I didn't know how, but I knew that was
00:41:23.740 the next thing for me. And then the opportunity presented itself. So, you know, some people think,
00:41:30.660 oh, well, Shadow Davis is going to be one of the people that helps because, you know, he's on camera
00:41:36.760 and he has these skills, but we have, we each have our own skills. We each have our own
00:41:42.600 qualities and it's, it's not about, I'm not focused on the various solutions, although I'm
00:41:51.400 involved with different things and I support different things, but I'm interested in catalyzing
00:41:58.380 people to use their God-given talents, their skills and their passions to go out and be the
00:42:05.940 change and do the things that they love in order to bring about that change have you brushed up
00:42:11.680 against and the reason i ask this is because as you were talking and giving that answer there it
00:42:17.440 occurred to me i had an incredible argument with somebody i used to work with in radio a couple of
00:42:24.600 months ago somebody i rather like and still do but my respect level has gone down significantly
00:42:31.320 this person knows that there is something horribly wrong in our country this person still works
00:42:40.060 in media and this person still toes that line knowing absolutely knowing that there is
00:42:47.980 we've got a very very short runway here before we get into all kinds of trouble that we may never
00:42:55.060 be able to get out of and he happily goes into work every day and does his job does what he is
00:43:01.520 told and then goes home and i my question to him was how do you sleep at night we're talking about
00:43:08.160 somebody who is living completely in opposition to his inner beliefs i don't know how he sleeps
00:43:18.120 at night or looks in the mirror pardon me how did he answer you what was his answer he looked
00:43:27.100 at his shoes michelle but that was it there was no defense for it
00:43:35.260 i think i i don't know the answer to that question in fact i i there are people i know
00:43:45.220 and care about that are not standing up they I think they think somebody else is you know
00:43:51.720 going to do it for them um I think that this is the opportunity of this time in history
00:44:01.920 that's the other piece that I'm focused on is is we've spoken a lot in this country and around
00:44:08.940 the world about rights, but we do very little speaking about responsibility. And we have been
00:44:15.420 lulled into a false sense of security because we lived in Canada, you know, and we had all these
00:44:24.740 rights. So we thought, and we took no responsibility and we have the system in some respects we
00:44:34.440 deserve because we've done nothing to create the system we actually want you know interesting you
00:44:42.300 say that because the leaders that we've had in this country and i suppose provincially to a large
00:44:48.600 degree you may have had one or two premiers over the course of the last 30 years ever since the
00:44:54.180 constitution and the charter of rights and freedoms has been in place go against the charter using the
00:44:59.860 notwithstanding clause still constitutional because it's in the charter of rights and freedoms but
00:45:04.200 But you haven't seen any leader go completely against the grain into what Pierre Polyev,
00:45:13.840 I'm not talking about him now as a political party leader, I'm talking about a great speech
00:45:18.980 that he gave about a week ago, the Great Canadian Agreement, right, that all of the leaders
00:45:25.540 since Confederation seemed to believe in, that Canada was this melting pot of ideas
00:45:31.880 and people and religions and colors and nationalities,
00:45:36.700 and we would all get along in a free and democratic society.
00:45:40.900 You know, when I had Brian Peckford on the show,
00:45:43.040 that's what they believed.
00:45:44.820 All of these national leaders who gathered to bicker
00:45:48.440 and negotiate over what was going to go into the Charter of Rights and Freedoms
00:45:53.160 and what wasn't.
00:45:54.560 He remembers being in that room,
00:45:56.200 and he remembers that he was sitting with upstanding men
00:45:59.160 who believed in democracy and believed in freedom.
00:46:02.720 I've heard stories about people like Jean Chrétien and Brian Mulroney
00:46:07.780 who, when something hinky happened within their caucus
00:46:12.040 or within the bureaucracy even,
00:46:14.220 made sure they at least tried to shut it down once they heard about it
00:46:18.080 because, first of all, they didn't want the scandal to get out.
00:46:20.500 But secondly, they knew inherently it was wrong.
00:46:24.860 It was wrong.
00:46:25.560 and it doesn't bode well for a country
00:46:28.680 when you start going down that path
00:46:30.820 even if you look at the scandals
00:46:33.120 that happened during the Harper era
00:46:35.260 or the Kretchen Martin era
00:46:37.420 I guess the big one there would be
00:46:38.820 the billion dollar boondoggle
00:46:41.900 the sponsorship scandal
00:46:43.680 and then Harper had the Senate scandal
00:46:46.340 and that was it really
00:46:47.780 I mean there wasn't much else
00:46:49.680 then Trudeau comes in
00:46:51.280 and starts mucking with the very
00:46:53.160 the very elements that make this country great or what we thought made it great and he's been able
00:47:00.320 to erode that so badly that this is the state we're in now where we can have people 1.00
00:47:07.380 held in lockup for over two years without a trial i mean that's what banana republics do 0.97
00:47:15.500 you know and and so maybe our our democracy needs a shake-up a little bit our institutions 0.84
00:47:25.240 need to shake up a little bit and some protections in place um we've got a leader right now that does
00:47:31.700 not believe in that canadian agreement that all of the other leaders of this country did
00:47:36.580 since 1867 we need to restore that and then strengthen our freedoms again
00:47:41.560 in my personal opinion what were we talking about
00:47:44.680 and how did i go off on that tangent so i was talking about responsibility who's the host here
00:47:56.580 that's why i feel like i'm the one being interviewed see that's what that's the
00:48:02.400 problem when you have other podcasters i know they'll start interviewing you yeah right so
00:48:08.840 responsibility you're right that's probably where i i went off on that one and so that's what i see
00:48:13.920 our responsibility is to get back to where we were and then safeguard that so this can never happen
00:48:18.980 again okay so i have a different approach and it's not that that's not true okay but there's a
00:48:27.440 different way to look at it while we could talk about the men who were responsible who had ethics
00:48:35.880 there's the other the place that we can make the biggest difference is with ourselves
00:48:43.240 so for me it's not about focusing on who is in power poliev trudeau whoever is in power
00:48:51.820 that's not going to make the difference we are so far beyond that and that's not where the
00:48:57.400 opportunity is that's just more of the same old you know us against them political game that keeps
00:49:04.700 us divided, and keeps us from really coming up with solutions and really taking personal
00:49:10.680 responsibility. So personal responsibility is how we each individually live our lives,
00:49:18.820 the ethics, the morals, the values with which we each live our lives. If we were all taking
00:49:24.060 care of that, we would have proper political power, we would have limited proper political
00:49:30.780 power. But I think this is part of the mindset that I think keeps us in this idea that it's
00:49:38.780 somebody else is going to handle it. I mean, personally, I knew nothing about how the
00:49:44.080 government really ran. It wasn't until Bruce Party testified at the NCI that I got the best
00:49:49.620 civics lesson of my life. I had no idea how these things worked. I took no interest.
00:49:55.320 and so i have the government i deserve now i'm engaged i'm not necessarily engaged with a
00:50:04.340 political party but i am engaged every day of my life i am interested i am hungry to know what's
00:50:10.380 going on so getting back then to the beginning of all of this when i asked you what was it that
00:50:19.040 woke you up because you've been writing about this for a while you've been talking about this
00:50:22.660 for a while and and what was was there one key thing that happened where you went oh no no no
00:50:29.480 no that made you stand up and start actually taking action more action than you had the vax
00:50:37.380 pass vax pass what the right we're gonna do what i don't think so no it was vax pass that's it i
00:50:48.600 I shut down my blog.
00:50:50.240 I shut down everything I was doing.
00:50:51.860 I started writing for free full time.
00:50:54.380 We need to get the word out.
00:50:55.680 So the first little hints were, you know, the health things, right?
00:51:00.680 But VaxPass, gobsmacked, absolutely gobsmacked.
00:51:09.100 And then the absolute breathtaking speed with which people accepted it.
00:51:18.600 And that's why I see the opportunity for personal responsibility, because they could not have gotten away with that if we had just said, no, I'm not doing that.
00:51:30.300 I'm not doing that.
00:51:31.460 I walked through my neighborhood and I looked at people in the windows of restaurants and I thought, how do you sit in there? 0.93
00:51:44.220 I mean, it's the Jews are out here.
00:51:47.620 Yep. 1.00
00:51:48.600 yep i i don't it was mind-boggling now i know that we can't actually transform anything that
00:51:58.520 we're making wrong we can fix and change things but we and you know la puce a change la puce a
00:52:05.180 la mĂªme chose right the more things change the more they remain the same so if we use this
00:52:10.400 hostile, angry energy to correct or fix things, we will end up with a different situation with
00:52:20.420 hostile, angry energy, right? The means are always contained in the end. And so for me,
00:52:28.020 I had to find the compassion for these people who went along with this.
00:52:34.260 How did you do that? Because, you know, a lot of us here, and that's interesting that you say that,
00:52:39.300 because i wrestle with that all the time i try so hard you know um yeah go ahead i think it is
00:52:47.600 something we have to wrestle with all the time i don't think it's a one-off i think that
00:52:51.640 understanding you know that there are there's the kind of material world just the information on
00:52:59.860 the psychological operation that was used against us you know whether you think it was
00:53:04.660 mass hypnosis or whatever. There are several theories. I think there's first understanding
00:53:10.160 that for me, compassion comes from knowing that each of us is, each of us has, you know,
00:53:24.300 I don't want to get esoteric. I'm trying to say it in a way that, that actually speaks to the most
00:53:32.720 number of people right so there is a spiritual being we are all spiritual beings here having
00:53:39.380 a human experience and I speak to that person so I am by far far from perfect at that I am
00:53:52.020 far from successful at that all the time even part of the time but that's what I keep truing
00:53:59.560 myself up to is that i believe that we are all spiritual beings i believe that you know unless
00:54:05.620 you're a psychopath leading a country i believe that we want to do the right thing i believe that
00:54:13.140 most people are operating in a way that they think they are being doing the right thing at least in 0.99
00:54:19.920 the beginning but then we have this human foible we have this egoic part of us that for some people
00:54:28.820 is so difficult to confront because they have to admit they were wrong and it's not just a
00:54:35.080 matter of having a wrong opinion but for some people they have to face injecting their children
00:54:43.120 with a poison that is a pill I don't know how people swallow so I have compassion for that
00:54:53.100 i think it's not that i think it's the right thing i think it's the effective thing i think
00:55:01.400 you can't you can't um make people wrong and expect them to be on side you can't make people
00:55:11.680 wrong and expect them to say yeah you're right or i was wrong or i'm sorry i think you have to
00:55:18.960 find compassion for them and you have to keep finding it and finding it and finding it until
00:55:24.940 they see for themselves keep presenting them with the information keep pointing to the
00:55:31.080 inaccuracies or the the um the obvious there's so much obvious at this point right
00:55:39.000 yeah the contradictions i think people as they bury their loved ones
00:55:45.000 we'll start to see more and more do you believe michelle that we have made progress let's go
00:55:54.280 back to the beginning of the nci yeah until now are more people are you i feel that we gain
00:56:02.300 momentum in waves and then we lose it quite quickly and i think you're right when you said
00:56:07.980 earlier that people they're tired and they've been towing that rope now for three or four years
00:56:14.980 and we need more people to stand up and take that rope,
00:56:18.260 give some of us a break for just a little bit.
00:56:21.920 Not that we're not coming back.
00:56:24.380 We just need that 48-hour pass they used to give out in the Army during wartime.
00:56:29.460 But are we making an impact?
00:56:31.420 And if so, have we made enough of an impact
00:56:34.240 to be able to withstand something like this coming our way again?
00:56:38.580 And the reason I ask that is because the bird flu seems to be
00:56:42.020 all the rage in the left-wing corporate media the last couple of weeks.
00:56:48.480 That's a hard question. That's a hard question. Have we made progress?
00:56:54.660 I'm sorry. Did I not give you the memo? Easy questions.
00:56:57.480 No hard questions. Softballs, please. 0.95
00:57:01.080 That would be a really boring conversation, wouldn't it?
00:57:03.620 No kidding.
00:57:04.140 And a short one.
00:57:05.160 I think we have made progress even in the fact that we are having conversations like this in more and more places.
00:57:19.260 I think people are definitely open.
00:57:20.900 I think you see it even on social media that people are much more open.
00:57:26.960 They're much less trusting of the government.
00:57:30.900 There's far less uptake on injections.
00:57:35.160 Um, I think these things are moving. It's interesting what you said about there's like
00:57:40.680 a wave and then it goes back. I, I think I have to believe that we will win.
00:57:51.140 I just have to, that's, I guess that's a leap of faith. Uh, I don't think we have an option.
00:57:57.600 i think we have to win and i think that i i also have to believe for my own sanity
00:58:05.480 that love and goodness always wins truth will out it's inevitable yes that's true but
00:58:16.500 do we have the time for the truth to come out is the question and you know people watching and and
00:58:23.580 You know, it's interesting, the reactions I get.
00:58:26.520 And there's going to be a lot of interesting reactions tonight from people.
00:58:29.800 There already are in the comments, and there's going to be some e-mails and messages later on.
00:58:35.800 We can't wait around night.
00:58:37.620 You see, some people come on and they say, just hug.
00:58:41.740 Just give them a hug. 1.00
00:58:43.220 You know, kill them with kindness. 1.00
00:58:44.600 And other people want to go and start lopping off heads figuratively, not literally. 0.99
00:58:50.680 Is your approach somewhere in the middle?
00:58:52.800 I mean, if they tried this on us again, this PSYOP business again with bird flu or whatever,
00:58:59.620 do you think that there would be so many business owners willing to shut down again?
00:59:05.800 So many people willing to put up with the nonsense again?
00:59:10.560 Or are they going to get mad?
00:59:11.720 Are we going to start seeing some action in the streets here?
00:59:15.180 Well, that's the danger, right?
00:59:17.600 That's the danger is that it becomes kinetic, that this that people have had enough and that that their upset explodes.
00:59:29.100 I think this is why we need to focus on when I when I talk about love, I'm not talking about just going out and hugging people, which, by the way, I'm a big hugger.
00:59:38.600 I'm all for hugging. But there's also there's accountability.
00:59:43.220 You know, I'm talking about love the way Martin Luther King talked about love, right?
00:59:48.520 The way you love your enemies, because love is the energy we want to perpetuate, right?
00:59:54.660 We don't want to end up with the same situation, you know, just a different flavor of the
01:00:01.520 situation.
01:00:02.680 That's not to say that you don't hold people to account.
01:00:06.040 That's not to say that you don't pursue justice.
01:00:10.580 What was your question?
01:00:11.840 are business owners going to put up with it again are we going to are we going to accept
01:00:20.020 this again if they do try it again i mean because as you said a psyop and it's already in left-wing
01:00:27.500 corporate media that the canadian military was watching us through our cell phones for the
01:00:33.040 apparently for the first six to twelve months of the uh of the pandemic response they're watching
01:00:40.780 us they're watching what we do yeah right so will we do it again is the question i'm sure they have
01:00:49.640 analytical reports on the probability of canadians rising up or just taking it again
01:00:55.480 what are we going to do yeah i i mean i i don't have a crystal ball i don't have my what's your
01:01:04.360 gut tell you i would say my gut says no i think that there's enough information out there i think
01:01:14.460 to that people generally know or suspect that closing down businesses had zero positive impact
01:01:24.600 and huge negative impact it's one of the reasons that uh if i may transition to talk about a little
01:01:31.740 bit about the this film that i'm involved with yes because so i said to you one of the reasons
01:01:39.520 that i took on being spokesperson for the nci was because i felt this was an olive branch
01:01:47.220 to the people who did not yet see i felt that we'd become so polarized that people who didn't
01:01:56.520 know what was happening could not hear from the people who were just like angrily telling them
01:02:03.260 but the nci came along and here was this very credible very legitimate very in some ways neutral
01:02:11.380 um um avenue to ask what did we do right what did we do wrong what could we do better i mean
01:02:19.480 really there were some very basic questions we wanted to hear from the government officials
01:02:24.240 they didn't show up so we didn't get to hear their side but we asked so for me though that
01:02:30.600 should tell us everything we need to know yes but from their standpoint the fact that i could
01:02:36.500 talk about that with people who i was not able to talk about the issues with i could talk about this
01:02:43.080 you know in a neutral tone so for me that was a bridge that was being built
01:02:49.380 when i met the filmmaker of covid collateral this is a new film that's going to premiere
01:02:56.240 next week and i'm hoping you're going to be speaking to the filmmaker because she's
01:03:00.260 fascinating this is i would love to i would love to yes so this is a mainstream filmmaker
01:03:07.780 somebody who's worked with sting and werner herzog and you know michael buble and and you
01:03:15.920 know leading scientists i mean she's you know all kinds of big idea films about the brain about
01:03:22.400 music about all kinds of things and she made this film this is like a very high with very high legal
01:03:29.880 standards you know it had to be completely vetted by a team of lawyers because of errors and
01:03:34.720 omissions uh insurance um this is a film that has been has very high journalistic standards
01:03:42.020 and it's a film that's aimed at the movable middle so for me there is nothing in this film
01:03:48.340 that I didn't know right so it's not like you know for your audience who already knows all
01:03:53.760 about lockdowns all about the lab leak all about that stuff it's not new information but it is put
01:04:00.700 together in a way that is accessible to the person who suspects is starting to be open but does not
01:04:08.140 know it's not threatening it's very mainstream so i think we need to keep focusing on those
01:04:17.820 things those things that bridge the build bridges those things that build that fill those gaps
01:04:23.900 i think we need to keep doing that there are other things we need to keep doing these lawsuits right
01:04:30.400 these you know accountability again accountability is really important and i think you know the
01:04:36.800 thing about being worn out is this is where if we're each bringing what we are passionate about
01:04:47.140 if we each bring our individual skills you know not everybody is comfortable and I'm not saying
01:04:54.460 you should just do what's comfortable but there is something to doing what is an expression of
01:04:59.600 you there's this great quote i used to use about um don't ask what the world needs um go do what
01:05:07.340 makes you fully alive because what the world needs is more people fully alive and i i think we we need
01:05:14.800 people to be finding their own expression and their own piece of the puzzle to stand up
01:05:22.900 together if that makes sense it certainly does and you know what i say to people
01:05:30.600 one of the analogies i've used i mean i've tried everything and one of the analogies i use when it
01:05:36.320 comes to um speaking up you know that you're going to get involved in this in some way uh
01:05:43.180 you know when when you're walking wading into a lake it's cold right and you go slow and slow
01:05:49.560 and you stand there and you're and then maybe you turn around and walk out i just say go right in
01:05:55.880 splash right in that's the way you should do it just and you'll come out you'll go oh and then
01:06:00.860 it'll just feel normal and then it'll feel amazing actually right yeah so that's the other part this
01:06:07.460 is the part that i don't i really want people to get there is something the opportunity in this
01:06:14.860 crisis is that we get to be our greatest selves because so this will kind of tie back to answer
01:06:22.380 your question about uh you know are we going to win right are we going to do this and i think
01:06:27.860 either we are going to succumb to some very dark forces or we are going to evolve in which case
01:06:36.180 humanity will devolve into another dark ages if we're if we're not already there yeah or we are
01:06:44.040 going to evolve and we are going to become the next iteration of who we are and i'm not talking
01:06:48.980 about you know transhumanism at all at all i'm talking about about the next evolution in our
01:06:58.760 spiritual being right that that that walking into the lake so we need to do some walking into the
01:07:06.380 lake we need to get out of our comfort zones we need to you know feel the chill but the thing is
01:07:13.560 you know when you do dive into a cold lake you feel amazing afterwards that's true but when you
01:07:20.000 don't want to do it i just can't i can't and you almost need sometimes somebody push you somebody
01:07:25.080 push you in right you go oh thanks man at first yeah that's that yes but you know some people
01:07:34.340 you know might drown if you push them so you know well you know there's always going to be
01:07:41.340 some collateral uh friendly fire the point is there is an opportunity to be our greatest selves
01:07:49.140 i mean there is something about what's happening i i felt and it also ties back to what you were
01:07:58.060 saying about those moments so there was vax pass there was the convoy um because you know it was
01:08:04.580 really clear that that the people the things people were saying on tv had no bearing that's
01:08:10.860 what was happening on the ground that was like you know completely opposite it was that was
01:08:16.540 bizarre so that was you know another step in the in the awakening but i i have felt since that time
01:08:24.480 that i am being guided that i am i am i am going where i can serve i am going where i am asked to
01:08:35.220 serve and when i was asked to be the spokesperson of the nci it i dropped everything it's like i
01:08:41.180 am being called to serve my country there's there's no greater as emotionally physically
01:08:50.220 intellectually difficult spiritually difficult as it was it was the greatest privilege of my life
01:08:58.920 And I grew into that role. You know, that's not something that you just you just be right. You have to grow into it. And everything I do, everything that I am doing, I keep being asked to do things and participate in things that are causing me to grow, to expand, to become somebody living inside of a purpose.
01:09:25.680 This is like the greatest joy in life.
01:09:28.220 So there's this paradox in all of this,
01:09:31.120 that there is the opportunity to become the person,
01:09:34.500 you know,
01:09:34.800 you could always be.
01:09:36.280 That is amazing.
01:09:38.620 You know,
01:09:39.380 I have never,
01:09:40.260 I've thought that and felt that for,
01:09:43.600 I'm going to say four years since all of this started.
01:09:46.260 And I reluctantly started doing this show.
01:09:48.740 I mean,
01:09:49.080 this show was supposed to be like an entertainment lifestyle thing when I
01:09:53.760 first started it.
01:09:55.680 And I just could not, I just, you know, when, when all this nonsense started, I went, I just, 0.99
01:10:04.240 I can't sit here and talk about this crap. And so I made the switch and it felt like that was 0.97
01:10:13.000 what was supposed to happen. I got called to do it and I can't, I can't ever stop now.
01:10:22.500 it's just one of those things that you know that this was destined for you you were so
01:10:27.980 everything that you did before that was conditioning you for this now and i want
01:10:33.900 everybody maybe to look inside themselves a little bit maybe you'll get that same feeling
01:10:39.820 too you guys watching the same thing instead of you know i think i'm getting what you're putting
01:10:44.580 down here michelle i mean instead of feeling woe is me all the time and being victims
01:10:49.620 maybe we should look at this as a blessing and say you're right this is giving me the opportunity
01:10:58.980 to be who i was always supposed to be every single person listening to this show is here
01:11:07.640 at this time this moment in history for a reason you have skills you have talents you have conviction
01:11:17.440 you have some you have what it takes to be here that's why you're here this is what's needed in
01:11:25.840 this time is to tap into that is to get is to activate that and it's not it's not selfish or
01:11:34.260 selfless it's if the two are intertwined the more we the more we have the opportunity to step into
01:11:41.080 our own greatness the more we'll make a difference in the world and that's our job too right like
01:11:46.660 to lift others up yes yes how can we find i'm sorry to interrupt how can we find your show
01:11:56.160 trued up podcast michelle where is it on all the major podcast platforms but if you want to watch
01:12:02.740 it um you can subscribe to my website at gather your wits.com um it's that's a great name by the
01:12:11.800 way gather your wits i like that why didn't i think of that because i already did
01:12:17.960 um and then yeah and then you'll you'll get information so i just completed the first
01:12:25.160 season i'm basically it's an in-depth conversation so i just did 10 episodes with 10 incredible
01:12:32.180 freedom truth leaders um and then i'll take a break we will be repeating them and then we'll
01:12:39.200 do another 10 but in the meantime i'm continuing again to write my blog and also all of that can
01:12:45.840 be found at gatheryourwits.com and then the show is actually as i said it's on podcast platforms
01:12:52.540 but then you can watch it on rumble or facebook and even youtube so far really you haven't been
01:12:59.640 banned yet i stay away from youtube like the plague never touch it you know it's there um
01:13:07.720 So far, I mean, I'm really surprised given some of the things my guests have said.
01:13:13.900 Right?
01:13:15.320 I mean, I got two strikes on YouTube already.
01:13:17.720 I don't even know what I did yet.
01:13:19.080 They won't tell me.
01:13:20.340 Really?
01:13:21.300 Yeah.
01:13:21.520 They won't even tell you?
01:13:22.680 No.
01:13:24.400 Very vague answers whenever I ask.
01:13:26.460 I just went, ah, you know what?
01:13:27.520 I'm already on six or seven others.
01:13:29.140 I don't need to worry about YouTube.
01:13:30.560 I know it's the biggest video sharing platform in the world, but if they're going to be censoring
01:13:35.680 like that why do we want to be a part of it anyway michelle thank you so much for coming on tonight
01:13:40.260 i want to get the covid collateral filmmaker on next week and i've got wednesday open
01:13:45.040 i don't usually set up uh interviews live on the show but here i am well i i am her people so uh
01:13:53.580 and uh i'm gonna say that she's good with wednesday wednesday night it is all right that's
01:14:00.440 perfect thank you and you're welcome back on the show at any time it's been a pleasure chatting
01:14:05.680 with you tonight michelle thank you it's been really fun thank you so much for having me on
01:14:09.900 all right we'll talk to you again okay all right bye for now michelle leduc caitlin spokesperson
01:14:17.020 of the nci and the host of the trued up podcast you know i feel really inspired right now you guys
01:14:24.620 I feel really inspired after that conversation, and I certainly hope that you do as well.
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