00:07:11.860So I think we're going to have a lot of copycats possibly coming through the Freedom and Truth movement, trying to fill that Chris Sky void if, in fact, Chris stays away for a while.
00:07:22.720But what can we do? Those of us who were left, I mean, I'm not going anywhere. You're probably not going anywhere.
00:07:29.720So here we are. And some people have, in fact, gone somewhere and they keep tabs on what happens through shows like this every night at eight o'clock central.
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00:11:18.040Oh, by the way, John Abel, he alerted me to a fake Shadow Davis account that may be sending you a message saying, hey, you want to be friends?
00:14:29.360Well, I think we're going to tag team on that. But I'll start with where this came from. You know, for those of your listeners who didn't know, you know, I was the or I am the chairman of the commissioners in the National Citizens Inquiry. And as a result of that, you know, I spent almost three months traveling from coast to coast in Canada, stopping in eight cities and interviewing people.
00:14:52.040You know, we interviewed 305 witnesses. And what what came out about that is I was hearing about all kinds of groups all over the country that I'd never heard of before.
00:15:02.620And when I would be in, let's say, Saskatoon and talking to some people in freedom groups there and I would be telling them what was going on in Nova Scotia or Quebec or Ottawa, none of them had any idea of what was going on.
00:15:15.960And so what we were thinking, so having looked at that and starting to try to understand
00:15:23.600what's going on in the movement, we decided that it would be really good if we could get
00:15:28.000people together in one place and all of these groups together, and they would start talking
00:15:32.540to each other, and they'd start getting to know each other, and they could exchange ideas.
00:15:37.040You know, I'm doing this here in Alberta.
00:15:45.860So the whole intent of this, although we've got a jam-packed schedule and agenda, but the whole intent, the real intent is to get people together so that they get to know each other and they can use each other as resource, right?
00:15:59.900Well, when we first, okay, that was Ken's experience.
00:16:02.400And, of course, I was sort of like watching it and being a part of it.
00:16:06.240But as time went by, I saw that he was in connection and in contact with all the various leaders and all the people from coast to coast.
00:16:13.620but i began to see that like a lot of the organizations weren't necessarily in touch
00:16:19.060with each other so this whole thing kind of the mushroom from maybe we should get the leaders
00:16:23.320together so we're talking about that i'm going to say at least a year ago with the idea we're
00:16:27.460thinking about it so that the leaders can connect with each other and kind of exchange ideas that
00:16:31.860whole idea but then when this thing finally rounded the corner just a little while ago i would say
00:16:36.100a couple months ago it just kind of all of a sudden rounded the corner and just kind of took
00:16:39.560shape actually it was amazing how it happened um it became sort of not just leaders but people that
00:16:46.280are involved in all the organizations we need to know each other we need to touch taste feel see
00:16:50.240you know see each other it's not just on zoom calls and have most of us don't even know who
00:16:55.480all the different organizations are and i think it's it's a real pulling together of people and
00:16:59.780seeing that we're all there's a lot of us we're not a fringe minority we are the majority actually
00:17:04.080those of us we don't all agree on everything but uh you know most canadians are clear thinking
00:17:10.140reasonable rational people and i think it's really powerful really powerful for us to get together
00:17:15.920and talk and hear what each other has to say yeah yeah absolutely you know and and you know
00:17:21.200one of the elephants in the room whenever you talk about this is that this group is at cross
00:17:26.740purposes with that group and this person's mad at that person and you know a lot of that's because
00:17:31.580nobody knows anybody and everybody sees people on little postage stamps or they hear this or they
00:17:36.900hear that shadow you know better than anybody you've got all these people on social media
00:17:40.880that they think they know this and they think they know that and they're throwing things
00:17:44.840and that really poisons the group but if you know somebody face to face you know you spent three
00:17:49.840days talking with them uh interacting with them working with them you know that's a bond that
00:17:56.380hopefully will overcome a lot of those other things we're dealing with you know i absolutely
00:18:00.240agree because so many people for the past oh god since i've been doing this over three years now
00:18:06.480people you speak to on shows like this you know i mean i've been lucky enough to meet you guys
00:18:11.460several times because we're in the same area but i met chris barber tamara leach for the very first
00:18:18.080time eva chipiak for the very first time a month ago at the chris barber fundraiser in swift current
00:18:22.900And all of those people who were there were, you know, I mean, it was such a heartwarming experience to meet these folks and just to sit and speak with them.
00:18:36.800And and they told me their stories. And you sit and you hear that and you're just so moved and touched by each one of these people.
00:18:44.240And yeah, you're right. You learn about them and you gain a layer of, I don't know, trust and affection for them, you know, and you realize that you're not just talking to an empty room, that you're not just talking to a camera every night, that there are people there and there are people engaged, even as frustrated as we get sometimes.
00:19:04.480I mean, I know that you guys have got over 50,000 people who are members of Manitoba Stronger Together,
00:19:10.100and yet, you know, we were talking about this privately, but I think it's worth talking about publicly now.
00:19:14.980It's very difficult to get these folks engaged.
00:19:17.660And we heard Chris Skye, you know, shutting down his social media a couple of days ago.
00:19:22.300I mean, are we going forward? Are we building momentum?
00:19:25.920Or do we take one step forward and two steps back, does it seem like?
00:19:29.520you know what we're just as you're talking i'm just like we're we are relational creatures
00:19:35.060and it's all about seeing you like we're seeing each other now on screen but we've met in person
00:19:39.900and just to breathe the same air and just be with each other there's just a connection that we
00:19:45.220absolutely need to have and i i'm sad you know that i mean chris guy i don't i didn't meet him
00:19:49.440personally but people get tired and and we're finding that uh as well you know leaders that
00:19:55.740they're talking to Ken, they're saying, you know what, people are getting tired. And I think if we
00:20:00.660connect with each other, physically see each other, break bread together, as they say, you know,
00:20:06.200look, Ken and I are having tea together. I wish I could be pouring you a cup of tea.
00:20:09.900I know, isn't that sweet? Here's to shout out.
00:20:14.780But you know, you're right. I mean, it's on us. And maybe we've failed a little bit as so-called
00:20:20.220leaders in the movement these past few years by not bringing new leaders into it. That's what
00:20:25.720you're supposed to do right we're supposed to bring more leaders in and they're supposed to
00:20:29.760bring more leaders in and so on and so on and so on i suppose that's the activist role of things
00:20:34.840do you know what i think sorry no i was gonna say it's hard okay hold on just a second you
00:20:40.840you two are hilarious together so you could do the show all night by yourselves i could just pop
00:20:45.580off screen i mean that that day we had lunch a couple of weeks ago i thoroughly enjoyed myself
00:20:50.660but i just wanted to say thank you absolutely entertaining anyway you were saying what was i
00:20:56.320gonna say it's gonna come to me it's gonna come to me uh oh oh yeah i think it was along these
00:21:03.640lines that's part of i think what we want to do is create new leaders and just learn from each
00:21:10.320other this is all a part of the you know the the mushrooming of of exchanging ideas what's working
00:21:16.160for you oh is that right yeah we should do that too we can't do it we can't do it in our community
00:21:20.240exactly like that but that's what you guys are oh that's brilliant whatever and then not only that
00:21:25.160oh we got a crisis over here we met such and such on the west coast give them a call or you're moving
00:21:30.300over there be connected we got to connect this is a huge country this is the thing that really
00:21:34.920blows my mind when i think about it the land mass of canada we're the second largest land mass of
00:21:39.480any country in the world but we have such a small population 40 million give or take well it's
00:21:45.260growing pretty fast lately apparently yeah but you know i mean we've never been our leaders
00:21:53.760our government has never been great at connecting us in fact they're professional at dividing us
00:21:58.640i think it's time for us to take the bull by the horns and start you know connecting each other
00:22:03.480we're relational and i think it's time to do that and it's kind of uh yeah and the other thing you
00:22:09.260know we we're a society of instant gratification and i always remind people you know it took us
00:22:14.74050 years or so to get into the spot we're in now and we've been fighting back against it for
00:22:19.620two or three years you know and we've made tremendous strides but it can't be on
00:22:26.880one person in a thousand or one person in a million you know it people have to step up
00:22:33.480everybody has a role to play everybody yeah yeah you know uh you started doing this a couple of
00:22:40.320years ago ken right you were pretty much semi-retired you were working on rosalie's music
00:22:44.580career and uh you know recording her and and the band and and then all of this and i i've heard
00:22:52.060your story but rosalie i i haven't heard yours i mean how has this been for you how far back do you
00:22:58.060want to go well we can go back a couple of years when ken first started writing that report did
00:23:03.780you go oh no oh no or were you the one who pushed him into it no i'll tell you what i'm saying oh
00:23:10.240no i'm saying it now like oh brother now we're into it no it's like it's like i was saying to
00:23:17.100somebody it's like when you're on the ski lift on the chair lift and it's like now you gotta jump
00:23:21.380off and go down the hill that's kind of where we're at now but you know when he was starting
00:23:25.520that whole report thing he was just starting to do it because he was having some interaction with
00:23:29.920some people and tried he said that doesn't sound right i'm gonna check into it of course he's a
00:23:34.000statistician and a mathematician and a scientist and all these things and he you know can read
00:23:39.660charts like and make them and he's looking at stats canada i think you know that story um and
00:23:45.080he's saying you know this doesn't he just he was just looking at the stats as given to us by stats
00:23:50.080canada with with he wasn't trying to make it be one way or the other no opinion just to look at
00:23:54.420it mathematically and that's where you know the 89 page report came from because like this does
00:23:58.660not add up and as he was writing it he's telling me about it and then he was like math forget it
00:24:04.340who cares nobody's gonna want i said no no this is really good you gotta finish it you actually
00:24:08.280did one first and then you did another then you did the 89 yes so that's what happened i said no
00:24:13.560this needs to go out because you know look like a lot of us we're we knew something was not right
00:24:19.160and so i thought he's got to finish this and nobody nobody can quite do it like he can do it
00:24:23.960so then the rest is history yeah but i mean for you personally i mean you know you guys like i
00:24:30.040said you're a great couple and and obviously you support each other very much in everything that
00:24:34.600you do but ken has been away from home a lot i mean you know you you've been out with the nci i
00:24:40.380know you were recently in calgary can and you've been all over the country doing interviews and
00:24:45.000and a lot of interviews i mean daily i think you're doing two or three and some of them take
00:24:49.960a long long time i mean how how has this changed for you guys well it has changed i think we've
00:24:57.900kind of slowly kind of both morphed along with it i guess i don't know i don't well you know what i
00:25:03.440want to be honest here oh dear um when i came back when i came back from nci and when i say
00:25:13.020come back november 28th was when we issued that report that 5 400 page report yeah i believe i
00:25:20.200had some pst pst pts pts and and i believe some of the other people involved did as well because
00:25:27.540you know what we were doing was is it was for two and a half months so we have a travel date we have
00:25:33.880three days of hearings and a travel date and then a day off and then we're back again so five days
00:25:38.280a week for for for two and a half months and and what we were doing of course is for 12 to 14 hours
00:25:44.920a day we were listening to the most horrendous heartbreaking incredibly terrible story you can
00:25:52.620even imagine and then we would have dinner at 10 o'clock and we go to bed and do it again
00:25:58.160and so that that was a strain and then when we were writing the report shadow i think you know
00:26:04.100that at least personally i was hoping we would get the report done in time to make a difference
00:26:10.540for sheila lewis and of course she died when we were about halfway or three quarters of the way
00:26:16.700through that report and and and and and that had an effect and then what was weighing on us the
00:26:22.840whole time and doing the report was the that we had to do something that had fidelity to the 305
00:26:31.180canadians that came forth were scared of their jobs scared of the what happened in their community
00:26:36.320would happen to them in their communities but they came forward anyway so that you know apart
00:26:41.340from this this behemoth report we had to put together we were weighted down by these
00:26:46.680responsibilities and you know it's it really is quite amazing and and folks might not understand
00:26:53.220this but you know we started those hearings in march and we issued a 4 5 400 page report
00:26:59.240november 28th of the same year had that been a royal commission it was about 20 30 million and
00:27:04.780it would take seven years to do and i'm not exaggerating people can go look up what royal
00:27:08.340commissions do and and that that report didn't cost the taxpayer a dime you know it was all
00:27:14.520everyday Canadians who donated to it so that responsibility and even to this day that
00:27:20.920responsibility why the heck should I be doing interviews every day when I could be in Mexico
00:27:27.260I've got lots of people in Mexico on the beach right now or in wherever and I'd love to be there
00:27:31.900But that responsibility, you know, those 305 people, you know, it weighs on you.
00:27:39.220So when you ask how did it affect you, it's made me a little shorter of temper than I have.
00:27:47.080And, you know, for Ken to even use the word, the phrase PTSD concerning himself is that's new because he's never somebody to go, oh, well, this is how I feel today.
00:57:28.440The other thing is, is that when you, for instance, when you go to the website and you go to the agenda and you look at panel one, you'll see it's blue highlighted and underlined.
00:57:37.980If you click on it, it opens up a window.
00:57:40.360It tells you exactly what the panel's about and it tells you who's on that panel and all of their names are clickable.
00:57:47.460So, for instance, I'm just looking at the panel on reclaiming our education system.
00:57:52.240it says moderator shadow davis when you click on shadow davis's name it takes you to his website
00:57:56.720oh the other speakers are like that as well cool i should i should probably do that for for the
00:58:04.100website on my website so people can come back to manitobastrongertogether.ca are you expecting
00:58:11.620875 people we're going to say yes well we're but we are and we're we've actually we're looking at
00:58:20.280the budget uh and we're we're we're trying to balance this around 500 or so attendees we have
00:58:27.080the capacity for 875 and like i said at about 500 we're at a stage where we need you know we need
00:58:35.680around 30 to 50 thousand dollars worth of sponsors to to get us even we're not in this to make money
00:58:41.700on it folks and and by the way all the money is being is being handled by peter debonham who is
00:58:47.900a retired independent uh uh certified accountant and we will be publishing the accounts so everybody
00:58:55.180knows where the money went yeah because i'm not touching the money you did not want to hear the
00:59:00.060question where's the money going where's the money going i i understand that uh 100 percent
00:59:07.060you know what guys i mean i think that this is a fantastic initiative and i really appreciate you
00:59:12.900putting your own time and finances on the line to bring canadians together like this
00:59:19.600there's not many people that would do that so thank you well you know we've been blessed we
00:59:26.660we we we also are have the responsibility of having six children and five grandchildren
00:59:33.040and that weighs on you but we have been blessed so that we can you know we can take certain
00:59:38.720certain we can stretch your necks out a little you know I think this might speak to people also
00:59:43.560just like if you just rise up to the challenge you know it's not like we weren't looking for
00:59:47.600this believe me we you know we weren't but you know things come up you're okay what can I do
00:59:52.400like it started with that 89 page report and then it went on to this and it went on to that
00:59:56.120but it also takes you know commitment to you know wanting to see this thing through to the end like
01:00:03.600at what point when you get started do you do you opt out you know so i guess maybe that's what
01:00:09.200intimidates people as well but i mean i guess if you see the gravity of the thing that we we do
01:00:15.640have our freedom to save we have our country to save we we want to be able to continue
01:00:20.440i mean we got there's the future ahead of us and we're only here for so long so we're going to do
01:00:25.640what we can and i gotta tell you something as time goes on shadow i gotta say at first i i had a lot
01:00:31.360of fear i thought you know are they gonna come put ken in prison are they gonna i mean i mean
01:00:35.620are they gonna come get us i mean i was worried about that there was that fear and i'm not saying
01:00:40.140that fear is gone but uh as time goes on i'm less afraid i really am i am i am not trying to be
01:00:47.660a big man when i say that i i because the words i'm of the opinion words matter and our words
01:00:53.400that we speak matter very much and when i say that i'm not saying it glibly but i'm like a lot
01:01:00.640less afraid now than i ever have been gotta go for it gotta go for it is there ever a moment
01:01:06.360honestly thank you for what you do too just so folks know when i phoned shadow up out of the
01:01:12.560blue and asked him for lunch and we started talking about it i don't think i got half the
01:01:18.860words out of my mouth when he said i'll be there yeah there was no invitation yeah i i'm very
01:01:25.300excited about this i i you know i love seeing people come together and and i i want to ask you
01:01:31.480uh both i just had an internet glitch pardon me i i want to ask you both i'm not sure if you can
01:01:37.700see me i'll i'll be rejoining soon if you if not i i just had an internet glitch here on my end so
01:01:45.400um i want to ask you when you talk about opting out you said rosalie just a couple of minutes
01:01:50.480ago you said that phrase opting out not that you plan to do it but we you know chris sky has done
01:01:55.760it at least for now temporarily is there ever a moment you could see yourself saying okay okay
01:02:02.000uncle i'm done and then looking to answer that question i mean well look at you know
01:02:10.080you could only you could only stand on a soapbox and yell by yourself for so long
01:02:14.800um and and when i say you know we want need people to participate i don't mean that you attend the
01:02:22.240zoom call or that you you put a little check mark on a on a social media post you know even getting
01:02:28.700folks to share posts you know you on a social media you go you have you have these little
01:02:33.860thumbs up well if you thought it was thumbs up why didn't you share it why didn't you share it
01:02:39.200to your social media and and even those little things like i'm not i'm not expecting somebody
01:02:44.560to come up and start writing checks to put on a conference you know we're we're the crazy people
01:02:49.340who are doing that but what about sharing stuff on your social media what about standing in line
01:02:54.860at costco and saying to the person in front of you hey have you heard anything about that stronger
01:02:59.740together conference you don't have to say more than that you know how about how about it's easy
01:03:05.280to give out those cards yeah we have all these cards manageable stronger together cards i mean
01:03:10.320somebody was admiring my lime jeep my lime green jeep this is a while ago and really thank you
01:03:15.980thank you yeah i like the colors they're admiring that jeep you are criticizing that yes and i still
01:03:23.960am well you know it's it's an interesting thing it doesn't take much and to answer your question
01:03:30.860those kinds of things and it might not make sense to folks who haven't been in this situation but
01:03:36.840seeing people participating and seeing people even just sharing something that you're doing
01:03:42.020really buoys you up and if you're if you think you're sitting in a dark cave somewhere and
01:03:47.440you're just whistling into the dark that makes it really difficult but if folks are actually
01:03:51.500participating you know join a zoom call and leave your camera on for gosh sake yeah so we can that's
01:03:58.900a good start yeah you know we rosalie had a meeting the other day about whatever it was and
01:04:03.660and some new person joined and rosalie said well you know everybody here's got the cameras on can
01:04:08.360you turn your camera on it ain't likely but cut off gone i was kind of a meeting you know i know
01:04:14.840he said that that's not gonna happen so i was like bye you know people if you want to participate
01:04:22.820you don't have to start spending thousands of dollars or millions of hours just share something
01:04:28.700just come to a meeting you know buy a 249 dollar ticket gosh you know i went to a&w
01:04:35.160i went to a&w a couple months ago and bought a hamburger and fries and it was 35 bucks
01:04:39.740right we're getting five meals for this for gosh sakes and all the information and all the more
01:04:46.560than anything it's the meeting of each other that we're facilitating i mean the food yeah we're
01:04:52.020gonna make it we're that's gonna be good we've got music all these things but it's the meeting
01:04:55.800is hey how you doing yeah so where are you from oh yeah ha ha ha that was a funny joke you know
01:05:00.700this this interaction of human beings and you should you should be prepared folks when you come
01:05:05.640to this thing because we're going to be at you we're going to say don't stand with your brother
01:05:09.660or your sister or your cousin or your or your your church member we want you to go meet new people
01:05:15.540and stand with them have dinner with them have lunch breakfast get to know the people around you
01:05:20.120take advantage of this it's an incredible opportunity to to get to know people so come
01:05:25.740with your brothers and your sisters in your church group in your whatever group but go meet other
01:05:30.640people when you're there and and spend time with them you can you can catch up with your friends
01:05:34.960later and i also want people from all walks of life life all religious backgrounds we want
01:05:40.980everybody that cares about this country to be there there's there's there's no delineation