00:10:45.340but also it just looks downright silly it looks downright silly uh i mean the the the rcmp tactical
00:10:54.560units the fact that they're loaded with uh with all kinds of different riot control weapons and
00:11:00.500even beyond that as well too i might add um the armored vehicles uh the horses are kind of one
00:11:08.880thing and you know i will add this you know when they were first standing awfully well behind the
00:11:12.220lines they're beautiful horses they're wonderful Clydesdales but but to watch them go ahead and
00:11:19.420use them against the crowd I mean there's so many different versions of what happened today which is
00:11:23.900just it's yeah it's the the tears that I saw in people today um you know it's something of course
00:11:32.680that uh I'll never I'll never forget but there is a a really great sense of pride and positivity
00:11:41.400still here in this crowd and here in downtown ottawa um i've just once again walked wellington
00:11:48.180um just before coming on here with you and thanks again for having me on shadow it's a pleasure to
00:11:53.300be here again for everybody um uh and again the the night is quiet right now i just watched a
00:12:01.660police line leave for the night from the area that they have spent their time taking and this is this
00:12:09.820is very awkward um i mean what i stumbled upon today which happened to just be right place at
00:12:17.040the right time or wrong place at the right time or wrong place at the wrong time however you want
00:12:20.620to go look at it i guess i mean it's it's it's it's horribly awkward uh but i came down here
00:12:26.180to wellington today expecting what we had always thought for the last several days which is that
00:12:31.700the outlying groups on sort of the outside from the downtown area you know at the first blocks
00:12:37.580where convoy starts would be where they you know where they where they try to move in and punish
00:12:42.640people and that ended up being somewhat correct early today we're off of nicholas just a short
00:12:48.040away just a short ways from where i am right now it's actually it's kind of just down here actually
00:12:51.740um is where they they did that that that's where that clip comes from where they smashed the
00:12:57.140windows and dragged truckers out of their trucks but then again maybe because it was filmed and
00:13:02.840then already started to hit social media and go kind of worldwide i don't know maybe that changed
00:13:08.000something but regardless of that and there's no way for me to you know really properly understand
00:13:12.680that right now for anybody that that those clips yeah they took place at the kind of area where we
00:13:17.740would have thought that's where aggression might begin but for whatever other reason today it was
00:13:25.820very well planned, organized, and decided. And interestingly enough, it was just a few short
00:13:32.740days ago. I'm sure a lot of people might have seen some of these clips where very early Thursday
00:13:38.380morning, I was standing there with a lot of, that's a lot of people down that area that
00:13:44.400everything started today at Sussex and Rideau, just in front of the Chateau Laurier, just off
00:13:50.500of Wellington. So just off of Parliament Hill. I was standing with them a couple days ago as the
00:13:55.520police presence around that area started to build up and as we could clearly tell that they were
00:14:00.040staging out of the Chateau Laurier and I filmed that and at that same time that I filmed that I
00:14:05.640also filmed the gates and everything else going up at Parliament Hill and all that and you know
00:14:09.960that was notable at the time but we still thought that those aggressive pushes would come from more
00:14:15.080of the the outside several blocks away from kind of the main area but instead today they built up
00:14:22.880their police lines and built up all the riot gear and built up all the armed guards and built up all
00:14:27.560the armored vehicles down by rideau and sussex and decided that they were going to by absolute force
00:14:35.060absolute force take that area and um i just happened to wander upon that right when they
00:14:41.420were staging and then everything well i'm sure if anybody's seen my clips i filmed for about
00:14:47.280almost two hours solid watching that whole thing take place and it was well the most
00:14:55.520tragic it's a real situation uh let me ask you this are these all ottawa police or are these
00:15:03.420no from everywhere uh we filmed uh different badge numbers which i even reported live on stream you
00:15:09.920know the badge numbers and where they were coming from uh mostly a lot of toronto police here's the
00:15:15.260here was the deal and this was interesting as well too and there's conversations about this as well
00:15:18.740too having to do with um the certain jurisdictions around here because there's so many federal and
00:15:24.220provincial different jurisdictions right here in the downtown area when you're around parliament
00:15:28.240hill and so there's conversations about just different jurisdictions and how that plays into
00:15:32.480the situation i can't really speak to that i'm just saying those are conversations um but uh
00:15:39.860The Ottawa police took the line first in very just sort of normal gear, not tactical gear, not riot police gear, just police officers holding a line.
00:15:52.260Shortly after that had been done for, I don't know, maybe half an hour-ish, then it quickly turned into the Toronto police moved in.
00:16:02.220They had the guns with the tear gas canisters on them.
00:16:06.520They had the riot police gear ready around them already.
00:16:09.860And then they were following up with the RCMP, with the horses, and, of course, also with tactical units that had armored vehicles and all kinds of other things.
00:16:21.320And then that line, a line that was South Sussex started first and moved in on the crowd first, then all of a sudden the warnings came out.
00:16:32.900what if they move in from the other areas and almost as if the few people who said that
00:16:37.100were predicting the worst uh they were proven correct without too much time uh taking place
00:16:44.240and then we were quartered and and then the obvious situation that we've seen time and time
00:16:49.280again of crowd control which is called kettling uh ended up taking place where then they moved
00:16:56.480in from all sides and then as they as they then decide it was then noticeable that they were moving
00:17:03.700from all sides and completely take that area completely take that intersection then they
00:17:08.980started breaking out the the loudspeakers you must leave uh via this direction or you will all be
00:17:14.660arrested uh then that started playing very loudly to the crowd and then the larger riot control uh
00:17:21.400sort of gear started to move in and then it became from quickly quickly quickly uh from
00:17:27.400a peaceful line from you know officers and peaceful protesters to push 10 feet push 10 feet
00:17:37.040push 10 feet and once that started and people started to try to hold those lines they were
00:17:41.780taken down in all kinds of aggressive fashions i have film of people having you know knees and
00:17:47.180elbows right on their throat uh old ladies getting taken down uh the veterans got taken down there
00:17:53.660were veterans holding the line all badged up with like medals all across their chest
00:17:57.800ripped right out of the line thrown to the ground handcuffed not handcuffed actually the majority of
00:18:04.040them uh zip tied i should say that's the typical riot uh police sort of way of doing it because
00:18:09.060they were zip tying people yes yeah zip tying yeah zip tying like basically like hog tied and
00:18:15.620then hauled off by multiple people uh like it was never even if they wanted to get up on their own
00:18:20.840volition i think it was like they got picked up by multiple people and just like led away um i got
00:18:27.280so much film of that i know it's kind of in the middle we're working on editing it out so we can
00:18:32.580go show different versions of it but that's being done behind the scenes right now so you might have
00:18:36.600to wait a bit for that because i didn't mean to film a whole two-hour section of this but
00:18:40.560you know it was just kind of one thing after the other and i i couldn't cut the feed it was just
00:18:45.540there was so much happening let me ask you let's get back to the horses for just a second you said
00:18:50.220there was a lot of different versions of what happened and it looks like the crowd is pushing
00:18:54.640back on the cops at some point even though we keep hearing people say be peaceful be peaceful
00:19:00.280were there any crowd members who were aggressive towards the police at least to start with or was
00:19:06.380it always the cops being the aggressors first the most i can say for that because of course i don't
00:19:12.920have the best eyes on every last little incident i usually when somebody all of a sudden gets taken
00:19:18.460here's the way it goes when there's a melee like that because they're pushing forward and there's
00:19:23.060clearly people that are just simply saying no no no hold the line which to me isn't really
00:19:27.220necessarily aggressive it's just simply saying stand where you are right right yeah they're
00:19:31.140joining hands they're they're already in the middle of like singing or praying or whatever
00:19:36.060you know they're either they're joining hands and they're just simply saying hold the line i don't
00:19:39.340i don't view that as aggressive but when those things start to happen and you see them pushing
00:19:44.640forward regardless then all of a sudden say you know 10 feet 15 feet away from you all of a sudden
00:19:50.180you see somebody go down and a massive circle of of uniform you know just falls on them and you
00:19:56.680can't really tell what's happening for a second sometimes that happened closer to me and i got0.95
00:20:00.540better views of that and i could see the aggression and it was it was it was well it was pathetic to0.90
00:20:05.460say the least like it was way overbearing and completely disgusting uh but uh i i can't honestly
00:20:14.420say that every time one of those situations happened that uh that it wasn't one of those
00:20:19.320individuals maybe not turning around i mean i don't think any one of them would be like like
00:20:23.540saying throwing punches but maybe actually like physically pushing back and just kind of saying
00:20:29.320no no kind of instead of the usual which is just hold your back to them and say no no no right
00:20:34.860and you're looking at the crowd you're looking kind of at your supporters which is the the most
00:20:41.200common response that of course is expected in this type of protest uh and what i saw for the
00:20:47.340most part it was there individuals that might have went about face and looked right back at
00:20:53.300an officer and pushed him right back very possible does that mean they should go through what they
00:20:59.640still ended up going through yeah that's certainly up for debate i would say no uh but well yeah that
00:21:05.500did happen to the point where here's the one of the more weird things that i saw today as far as
00:21:10.180like you know well i can't call it police brutality but it was really interesting
00:21:14.820there was a moment after they had basically taken um radeau and sussex and we were pushed back
00:21:23.800northbound on sussex and they kept telling us this is for trucks the trucks are going to leave
00:21:27.860and we all saw this as well too uh where uh was the ex rcmp officer um i'm forgetting his name
00:21:34.420right now i was right standing there with him he he gave himself up today he uh he uh he went
00:21:42.000annual bulford bulford thank you yes bulford yes yes who has been a part of the convoy and helping
00:21:47.260them out since the beginning sorry i forgot the name uh but i was standing with him for a good
00:21:51.940period of time i actually uh filmed him doing a few interviews with mainstream media and others
00:21:56.400as he was saying that they were going to try to reach an agreement so that there didn't have to
00:22:01.260be any more breaking of windows slamming down of people and further aggression from the police
00:22:08.760so they were saying okay basically at this point in time just to go deal with what's happened today
00:22:15.960let's go pull off of this corner we can we can go restage our trucks and figure this out
00:22:22.400they're still giving us wellington because we were off wellington they're still giving us
00:22:26.640wellington so you know it kind of seemed to make sense that we can pull these trucks off take a
00:22:31.520break restage them on wellington move on from here uh a conversation between bulford uh some
00:22:38.580of the officers on the ground that were claiming to be go-betweens between them and their superiors
00:22:43.140happened live time i filmed that um and uh then shortly after they continued to be so overly
00:22:50.480aggressive that uh then bulford came back and said the deal is done you're not just letting our
00:22:56.220trucks move you're punishing people still and then and then that was clearly evident like he made the
00:23:01.620right call because after they got us way down north sussex plenty of room for the trucks to try
00:23:07.400to move out of that area the trucks hadn't moved an inch and they were still punishing people and
00:23:12.540i was concerned that they were still going to screw with the truck drivers and do something
00:23:15.960else that might have been you know kind of nefarious and and and unnecessary i can't confirm
00:23:21.760that now i was just asking people down in that direction just about 45 minutes ago as well too
00:23:26.800saying like look i was concerned about those guys because i i think they were going to get thrown
00:23:31.320under the bus regardless and i don't know i'm going to be continuing to dig into that one because i
00:23:36.680had a bad feeling they were still going to screw with those truckers and not just let them leave
00:23:41.460kind of situation so i don't know about that regardless once we got down that far there was
00:23:47.180a lady that was coming up and she was saying and i don't it was kind of silly because she sees this
00:23:53.060big little hand of police officers but she walks up to them anyways and goes i'm an ottawa resident
00:23:56.420i need to get through here because i live down this way and they were like uh-uh uh-uh uh-uh
00:24:01.520like they even said right to her we will arrest you we will arrest you and i'm kind of going like
00:24:08.060well i think i think she was even wearing a mask as well too and all that and she seemed like you
00:24:13.000know she was pretty honest seeming you know a person and uh shortly after she questioned them
00:24:22.040and they said like not a chance not a chance then they decided to move the line and they went
00:24:27.120they did their thing and they went 10 feet 10 feet which means they want to grab 10 feet
00:24:32.560and and she stood there bewildered still like whoa whoa what and she didn't move for a second
00:24:38.240and they started to throw her to the ground and she quickly yelled no no no resident thank thank
00:24:45.000god thankfully enough one of the officers with their hands on her stopped for a second to listen
00:24:51.060to her and stopped her from falling to the ground uh because i already had yelled briefly0.96
00:24:56.680you're gonna take down a resident like a random but they were about to like they pulled her past
00:25:03.060the line and were already putting their into like they had they had her mid throw to the ground
00:25:08.040and then stopped her and was like whoa and pulled her back up and then set her on her way
00:25:13.420but let me ask you about the cops and their attitude i mean you were close enough you could
00:25:18.400see their faces uh i was watching some video all the cops they had sunglasses on and they had kind
00:25:24.620of masks that you couldn't see their faces but you probably could you were there are these guys
00:25:31.060like are they feeling bad being there do you get the vibe that they're embarrassed at all by what
00:25:37.400they're doing yeah there were several of them that said they had a very very very tough time
00:25:43.780coming down to do this today that was before things got bad that was kind of one of the first
00:25:49.700lines and again i don't know how this works because they all have you know you would notice
00:25:53.660by watching all the clips they all have you know um uh big earmuffs on right because of noise i
00:25:59.380guess or whatever but it's also for another reason because under that they have earpieces
00:26:03.300where they're listening to a central command and that central command knows something and what that
00:26:09.840central command seems to know and this is interesting because i mean i've watched a
00:26:13.160million different bits of footage i've been around lots of protests as well too even some with you
00:26:17.620know riot gear to some extent of course nothing like this uh but this is one instance where you
00:26:23.080really get to understand how they actually perform wanting things to be more aggressive so
00:26:29.200you can watch them go take a look at people and this might also mean people watching social media
00:26:34.680somewhere else as well too some of the cops who are still doing what we've already been reporting
00:26:39.860on for the last few weeks which is we noticed the change in police officer attitude uh from you
00:26:46.200know wanting to fist bump an elbow bump and shake hands and grab a coffee from somebody and have a
00:26:50.820conversation with somebody to somebody a little more cold well the same applies even more so to
00:26:56.520a situation like that where the first line of cops especially the Ottawa police officers that
00:27:01.320were mostly kind of more plain clothed they were getting tapped on the shoulder like nope you out
00:27:08.500nope you out and then the same even when the second move went in as well too so the officers
00:27:14.800who were you know i don't know clearly having an issue with what they were there to follow orders
00:27:21.940for are given taps on the shoulder and and told to go either take a break or move to the side of
00:27:27.940the line um and so again it's a situation where as nasty as it seems to have to wrap your head
00:27:33.220around there's there's there's there's eyes on this i mean i i found this interesting too and
00:27:38.140i guess this maybe points a hand to how this happens is there were full tactical officers
00:27:42.860that were just there with like really good looking camera setups filming from behind the lines just
00:27:49.540filming and i found that like you got drones you got eyes up on the uh on the buildings you got
00:27:55.960helicopters but you still had guys on the ground with camcorders just filming and so there seems
00:28:05.120to be this situation where when they need when they need the top brass to be more aggressive
00:28:12.880there's a way of doing it uh there's a way of managing that and basically creating it making1.00
00:28:21.320sure that well hey we need this style of push we need this attitude we can't deal with any softies
00:28:28.760out there so you know we'll route you out and i i i gotta tell you i think i watched that live time
00:28:34.780And that's actually one of the most saddest things that I think I watched today, because I watched that also hurt other Canadians as well, too, that are out here, because there was good conversations happening.
00:28:46.900There were some really, really, really beautiful discourse that I watched happening between peaceful protesters and obviously, I don't want to say agitated, but, you know, well, agitated maybe even some of the right way, you know, officers that were uncomfortable.
00:29:06.340and because of their uncomfortability they wanted to talk and that just of course only flies for so
00:29:15.400long and then things change and then after things change then they noticeably get more aggressive
00:29:20.640and it's just it points out you know what what i'm what i'm saying and that's uh that's really
00:29:27.980really that's one of the probably the most saddest things that i had seen today because that also
00:29:33.340took an effect on the crowd watching good officers have to kind of take a back seat
00:29:38.040to the things that they also had some fears about were there any crowd members telling the police
00:29:46.180it's not too late you can stand down you can do the right thing of course of course oh man uh you
00:29:54.060know people saying oh canada like time and time again uh you know didn't did you know did large
00:30:00.820prayer circles in front of them uh large uh you know holding hand situations uh hugging circles
00:30:06.860uh people sat just sat and kneeled in front as well too um all kinds of wonderful scenes that
00:30:13.680i had seen that uh you know really speak to again of course the the atmosphere that's been building
00:30:20.020out here for about a month solid right now that still exists now even after all that chaos which
00:30:26.460is pretty incredible i might add uh really really really unbelievable actually um another great
00:30:32.160reason to be to be you know uh a proud canadian right now i think it's a beautiful thing um but
00:30:37.600yeah uh do you think you know i want to send a personal throw out to kristen nagel
00:30:42.720frontline nurses what she has done and of course i've been side by side with her a lot in these
00:30:48.980situations and again was uh today and uh her speeches to some of the officers as somebody
00:30:57.400who's gone through hell and back as a as a mother a parent uh you know a nurse you know a career
00:31:03.820woman and all that and then an activist is um is really second to none and she's done an amazing
00:31:11.560job go watch her instagram lives in the past three weeks it's amazing uh but uh what she did
00:31:16.680today was was second to nine as well too and i was uh very very very kind of proud to go stand
00:31:21.280shoulder to shoulder with her for a while well she looked these officers right in the eye and said
00:31:26.660i'm like i'm a parent my children are here in this city and at one point actually get this
00:31:34.660there were children right with us right with us not because nobody was forcing them to they were
00:31:43.500standing there with their mother watching these grown men looking
00:31:47.380bewildered like. Like, I'm going to tell you.
00:31:51.620I mean, I know. Yeah, they're children. But still, it was
00:31:55.480like they could understand it, too. Like, why? Why?
00:31:59.660Why? We just finished walking the street with barbecues,
00:32:03.440cookouts, and hockey games. What do you, why?
00:32:07.640And I know you told me that the media, and I caught this as well, too.
00:32:11.200i caught this ottawa police actually ottawa police put out a tweet today saying that they're still
00:32:15.920okay with taking children because they think the truckers and the convoy are using children as like
00:32:20.640shields that is the most disgusting thing you can throw into this i don't care everything that
00:32:27.780happened to adults today or whatever is one thing but that that oh i hope they don't actually make0.98
00:32:36.100that more than a tweet that is really really sad and extraordinarily un-canadian and ridiculous0.76
00:32:44.580and pathetic and um i i i hope i hope the people who put out that kind of idea are eventually found0.95
00:32:52.200out for being so horribly misled and wrong that is a disgusting thing to say let me ask you this0.94
00:32:58.220this operation is probably going to continue for a few more days because there's still a lot of
00:33:03.260protesters down there yeah do you think that any of these cops are going to say i'm sorry man but
00:33:09.440i can't go back and do this again tomorrow i mean this has got to be emotionally taxing not just on
00:33:14.120the protesters but on them too and i'm not trying to throw out sympathy vibes to them believe me
00:33:19.480because they did what they did today and it looks horrible not just to canadians but all around the
00:33:24.380world that's right but are their numbers going to be thinner tomorrow based upon that do you
00:33:28.860think some of these guys will be saying forget it then i can't do this the best i can say of course
00:33:36.300is everybody out here is very very focused on trying to put forth a kind of energy that maybe
00:33:43.440could maybe could provide that opening uh you know there is only compassion funny enough even still0.91
00:33:52.420Even right now, for those men and women who are performing that act right now, we're not going to be the first to just go throw them under the bus and say, to hell with you, even though it would be very easy to do so.
00:34:13.940But there needs to be, again, as this continued movement has proven, the steadfast patience and just outright positivity that moves through the crowd in ways I've never imagined before seems to understand that.
00:34:39.300i think the most interesting thing that it understands is that this as bad as it is
00:34:46.220is kind of par for the course kind of an inevitability you're you're you're challenging
00:34:53.400your entire establishment right you're challenging your government you know which has already been
00:34:59.220known for wanting to grab as much you know machinery if i can use the term loosely you
00:35:05.420know to to do what it wants to do right hey i want i'm gonna freeze your bank account i spoke
00:35:11.400with sean zimmer about an hour ago as well too i should have interviewed him but yeah
00:35:15.080he does enough interviews but yeah he's doing he's doing really good as well too he's still
00:35:21.200out here tonight just met with him he's doing fine um and uh you know all those different
00:35:26.900situations you know what they've what they've used the media for what they've used all kinds
00:35:31.120other different institutes for um you know to create a authoritarian system uh that is so
00:35:39.500easily seen out here as being funny enough one of the number one reasons to continue to stay calm
00:35:47.260and and move forward and understand that because of the push that's coming
00:35:51.580from that other side that yes okay what happened today is is sorry
00:35:58.520did you get you guys all get to hear the uh hockey night in canada theme song right there
00:36:08.120i only have that as my ringtone because i like don cherry okay okay he hasn't been on the
00:36:15.680broadcast in a couple years that's not that's not yeah yeah that's not the sports net version
00:36:19.640though screw that so do you think this is going to continue todd is the protest going to continue
00:36:26.500even with the cops now making this major push are more people going to arrive in ottawa now
00:36:31.680i get the feeling there are i think there's a lot of people who have been demoralized by all
00:36:36.060the video they've seen today but i think there's going to be other people who are probably energized
00:36:41.120and want to turn up truck or no truck uh in ottawa as early as well the person who was just
00:36:47.300calling me right there sean how was on his way here right now actually if i go ahead and go
00:36:50.500put his name out live on air because that's who was just calling me yeah yeah that's right that's
00:36:55.900Yeah, he's coming here right now, and he's doing a very good job of letting me know how far he is.
00:37:02.920Anyhow, we've been predicting this as well, too, and we will have eyes on this.
00:37:08.460I mean, there's blockades all across this place right now to get into downtown.
00:37:12.920I have to dance around like a ballerina, practically.0.92
00:46:30.740It's a very interesting kind of situation because I've been kind of involved in this fight, you know, for, you know, kind of right since it got started.
00:46:42.940You know, I've been through enough of my own awkward situations to do with understanding Canadians' desire to stand up against, you know, COVID-19 restrictions and mandates.
00:46:56.740And so, oh, yeah, yeah, there is something happening up here.
00:47:00.100okay yeah we're gonna have something to show you guys for sure and a large crowd is starting to
00:47:03.700get together yep okay uh so you know it's uh it's kind of difficult for me in some ways i i'm torn
00:47:14.420between way too many things uh one is somebody who understands all the reasons every one of the
00:47:20.340reasons the pure good-hearted reasons for why all these people have been out here for this long
00:47:24.020but uh then there's the you know kind of very strong desire to want to go present things to
00:47:31.900the world and go you know try to be i guess a citizen journalist and uh and show people stuff
00:47:39.420uh but uh you know it's hard i have to separate kind of like the the personal from some of what's
00:47:45.940just uh trying to do a service i guess to some extent like all the time it can be it can be
00:47:53.840pretty difficult like today i was literally for like an hour an hour i was i was completely on
00:48:00.900the line completely on the fence uh from going should i make sure to film this because i was
00:48:07.320one of the first on scene or should i shut my camera off and do what i almost i don't want to
00:48:13.680say feel like a little bit more but you know there's there's that instinct that comes in that
00:48:17.920goes like just shut your camera off and you know you hold the line and you get arrested
00:48:22.200i could have i could have went that direction too i i i still feel that kind of tug of war it's it's
00:48:30.400tough um i'm getting a report that the woman who was run down by the horse today is in critical
00:48:37.640condition in hospital have you heard anything about that no no i haven't had the time to go
00:48:44.180research some of those little extra little tidbits since they've been happening today
00:48:47.200um i've still been all over the map uh and yeah yeah yeah this this is the police line again