The Shadoe Davis Show - Shadoe at Nite Thurs Feb. 8th⧸2024 w⧸Special Guest Shawn Buckley of the National Citizen's Inquiry

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00:02:30.000 hello everybody and welcome it is shadow at night for thursday february the 8th

00:02:52.080 2024 i did a promo video a walk and talk promo video earlier this afternoon because i believe

00:02:58.640 that tonight's show is probably going to be the most important show I've done in the last several

00:03:04.900 months. And the reason for that is the organization that kept many of us going these past couple of

00:03:12.280 years and woke many Canadians up these past couple of years has been the National Citizens

00:03:19.160 Inquiry. Some of us have been privy to what's happened behind the scenes at the National

00:03:24.080 Citizens Inquiry, and tonight we're going to find out exactly what has happened with

00:03:29.720 the National Citizens Inquiry and where we go from here.

00:03:33.620 And before you sit back and go, oh no, oh no, let me remind you that the people behind

00:03:41.580 this organization, the real patriots, are going to keep it going no matter what.

00:03:48.440 so we do have some good news for you tonight but we also do have some interesting news as well

00:03:57.320 sean buckley of the national citizens inquiry is going to join the show in just one second

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00:06:34.780 you can share it wherever people will see it. A very important episode coming up tonight. As a

00:06:41.320 matter of fact, let's begin right now. Here is Sean Buckley. Welcome, Sean, from the National

00:06:47.420 Citizens' Inquiry. I think we do have a little bit of a reverb. Can you hear me okay, Sean?

00:06:52.320 I can hear you good. How's my sound? Your sound is excellent. Okay, so I read the document that

00:06:58.760 you sent me earlier today, and then I read it again, and I tried to make sense of everything

00:07:03.880 that was going on and it's a lot it was 70 pages but i do know that there was some

00:07:12.200 i don't want to say misfeasance involved it looks like outright skullduggery that was involved

00:07:18.280 behind the scenes with the national citizens inquiry and apparently this had been going on for

00:07:23.960 at least a few months can you please give us some insight as to what has happened with the nci and

00:07:30.520 where we go from here and please take your time there is no rush on this and shadow i think i

00:07:35.620 think it's important and sorry i am hearing an echo too i think it's important for um everyone

00:07:42.020 to understand like you had mentioned like we're having a problem but we've got a core group at

00:07:50.340 the support group we've just lost two members that we've asked to leave but the rest of us

00:07:55.640 are committed to this and we've brought in some more people on and we're actually really excited

00:08:00.060 so you know we haven't we we made a decision i think it was back in july as a support group we

00:08:06.620 wanted to hold more hearings right and um we actually even voted to change you know our

00:08:14.460 purpose to allow that but we weren't allowed to because of a couple of members that were on the

00:08:20.540 inside that were preventing us from doing that so you know when you it's almost like you're waiting

00:08:26.700 when you're in you know high school for summer holidays to start so you're free yes we kind of

00:08:32.660 have that feeling so now we're we're preparing to organize for hearings again and move forward

00:08:37.780 and actually with a broader purpose so like i personally don't think we're done with covid for

00:08:43.480 several reasons like i mean from an inquiry perspective but it's going to depend on what

00:08:47.640 other people say just because i think um like when we hold hearings in the late spring and summer and

00:08:54.360 likely into fall of this year, I think we have to appreciate that there's going to be part of our

00:09:00.480 population that will be waking up for the first time, and they won't know what we know and might

00:09:05.300 still be useful. But there's so many other topics we didn't cover. We didn't really cover

00:09:09.220 infertility. We didn't cover the judicial system and some of the things that the chief justices

00:09:17.540 were involved in. There were a whole lot of things. But the long and the short of it is,

00:09:22.060 is we actually think that we've stumbled across something

00:09:25.620 really important for the nation.

00:09:28.140 And I'll tell you, Shadow, when we started this project,

00:09:30.940 we had no idea that it would, I guess, be so meaningful

00:09:36.700 to just have people testify under oath,

00:09:40.640 be able to say their piece, especially ordinary Canadians.

00:09:44.040 I mean, we're very accustomed to hearing experts

00:09:47.020 on talk shows and stuff like that.

00:09:51.180 But hearing ordinary Canadians sharing how something's impacted them, we're in this age where the mainstream media that is supposed to hold the government to account just simply isn't doing that.

00:10:05.020 And so what institution is there when an important issue comes up that can basically shine light, can reveal truth?

00:10:13.880 We can't force the government to do anything, but I think we could step into that role of revealing, you know, what's really going on and give Canadians, you know, at least the opportunity to respond to truth.

00:10:26.360 Because the problem is, is when you don't know what's going on, you can't even decide how to properly react to what's going on.

00:10:33.720 And it seems to me that we just have found ourselves in a situation in Canada where, you know, public officials don't have to be honest.

00:10:41.860 and where institutions don't have to be accountable

00:10:45.040 because we don't hold them accountable.

00:10:48.780 But part of that is we don't know what's going on.

00:10:51.860 Yeah, the media has been absolutely complicit in this.

00:10:54.440 There is no doubt about that.

00:10:56.660 A couple of months ago, Sean, you released,

00:10:58.760 well, the NCI released a bombshell report

00:11:02.260 that should have shaken the foundations of the media

00:11:05.820 and every government institution,

00:11:08.480 provincially, municipally, federally,

00:11:10.400 as to what you found so many pages in the recommendation section of that report and yet

00:11:17.480 for some reason it seems as though it's been largely ignored by the establishment has that

00:11:23.880 been a frustration for you or do you just continue to go all right we're just going to keep pushing

00:11:28.460 ahead well you know shadow you you're an independent broadcaster because you believe

00:11:34.340 it's necessary to make a difference and i imagine some days you're like oh my gosh like the country

00:11:40.300 is still just not in a good place.

00:11:44.020 For those of you who haven't read the report

00:11:46.620 or really don't know about the National Citizens Inquiry,

00:11:49.580 go to our website at nationalcitizensinquiry.ca.

00:11:53.740 We ran 24 days of hearings, a full 305 witnesses.

00:11:59.600 And each witness is broken up.

00:12:01.760 You can just pick a witness and watch them.

00:12:03.480 But I actually challenge you, we also have videos of the whole day.

00:12:06.700 So you get the opening, you get the transitions,

00:12:09.020 you get the mistakes like you actually live what we experienced when we were there and if you watch

00:12:15.560 a full day i promise you you won't be the same and it because it's just there's something about

00:12:22.840 hearing other people's voices i will say this when i saw you guys when you stopped here at

00:12:31.240 winnipeg i was thoroughly impressed with the setup the professionalism sorry the professionalism

00:12:38.160 of it and the way the witnesses were being handled they were handled with compassion

00:12:45.180 they were handled with care the uh the crowds that formed i mean i i don't know if you guys

00:12:50.980 had any empty seats in any location that you had hearings at was it always packed

00:12:55.920 actually you know it really varied from place to place so um we suspect that when we run hearings

00:13:03.620 this year that it's going to be packed and you know we actually don't want to have really large

00:13:08.940 venues because we are an inquiry where we need like a court-like atmosphere right so um but no

00:13:17.820 it's it's um the local committees understood that a lot of the witnesses were afraid to testify and

00:13:25.620 had gone through some traumatic things and you know our witness wrangler teresa was just magical

00:13:32.120 And, yeah, so, I mean, I think you have to treat people with respect.

00:13:38.380 So, you know, we're going to go into some problems that we're experiencing, and I'm certainly frustrated over it.

00:13:46.420 But let's not lose sight of the fact that we're sitting on top of something quite incredible.

00:13:53.680 And can I just, I can't not put God into this because it was just my experience.

00:13:58.960 because shadow i wasn't supposed to be in front of the camera one of my tasks was organizing lawyers

00:14:05.200 for each city and i'd actually have you know a pretty good list of lawyers for each city until

00:14:11.060 we got close to the hearings and then they'd start dropping like flies and um and then all

00:14:17.980 of a sudden we'd have to do the hearings with just a couple of lawyers in each location

00:14:21.320 so i ended up i ended up calling over half of the witnesses i think at the at the end of the day

00:14:27.020 but um we do an opening each day and so i did an opening in toronto on day one

00:14:35.380 and i spoke about how the vaccinated and the unvaccinated had the exact same experience

00:14:41.640 can i just share that with you because i i actually think it's important um because

00:14:47.540 we can get upset we can get angry we can get downright hateful towards people

00:14:58.080 without understanding that we're all basically the same like we will act quite predictably

00:15:05.320 depending on what we believe so what i spoke about on day one in toronto is is just how we

00:15:11.440 we have to forgive each other so and it's because we had the same experience so

00:15:17.840 let's talk about the vaccinated and i know i'm generalizing but you know from a general

00:15:26.100 perspective i think it's fair to say that for the people that were vaccinated they honestly believed

00:15:34.120 that there was a deadly virus that posed a mortal threat to both them and their family,

00:15:41.700 such as their kids, and they were terrified. I mean, just imagine you believe, and I believed

00:15:47.040 that at first, like I remember being terrified of this virus until I came to conclude that it

00:15:53.300 wasn't dangerous and I had other things to be afraid of. So, but in that camp, you honestly

00:15:57.960 believe that there was this deadly virus that posed a dangerous threat to you and your loved ones.

00:16:02.420 but there was a solution there's a vaccine you know but only but only if everyone would take it

00:16:13.700 and we've got those unvaccinated people that won't take it and they're putting me and they're putting

00:16:19.760 my kids and they're putting my spouse and they're putting my feral grandparents at risks

00:16:23.960 and you know you're afraid because you believe that

00:16:27.080 and then that turns to bitterness and then it turns to anger and now now you are divided from

00:16:35.100 these people because you don't want anything to do with them okay now let's switch to the unvaccinated

00:16:41.480 the unvaccinated and i i'm i generalize and i know that like there's a whole

00:16:48.160 COVID conversation range here. But the unvaccinated

00:16:52.160 honestly believed that that

00:16:56.260 vaccine was dangerous. They believed

00:17:00.200 that that vaccine posed a mortal threat

00:17:03.360 to both them and their loved ones, such as their kids.

00:17:08.620 Now, normally that, no problem, there's a dangerous

00:17:12.100 treatment, you don't want to take it, you don't want your kids subject to it.

00:17:15.320 well in canada you don't have to take something we had autonomy over our own bodies you didn't

00:17:23.460 have to worry about sending your kids to school and the school put it giving your kids a medical

00:17:28.260 treatment and telling your kids not to tell you we didn't have to worry about stuff like that before

00:17:32.640 so now it's actually the vaccinated that are creating the threat because if they weren't

00:17:39.020 participating in this coercion this vaccine wouldn't pose any threat to me or my kids

00:17:46.100 and it was that coercion we learned at the national citizens inquiry like yeah there was

00:17:52.040 economic pressure i mean it wasn't just government it was private employers saying you had to get

00:17:57.480 vaccinated or you would lose your job and you know what do you do when you're the breadwinner

00:18:03.320 and there's a mortgage and there's food and there's clothing like you cannot tolerate

00:18:09.900 not working and and seeing your your family being put out on the street like you don't have a choice

00:18:17.320 but actually we learned at the national citizens inquiry the biggest factor

00:18:21.500 in coercing people who did not want to be vaccinated and to get vaccinated was actually

00:18:27.820 social pressure being alienated from their family and their friends not be even being invited to

00:18:34.140 family dinner and you know this wall of hatred like it's like you got leprosy and everyone's

00:18:39.240 ashamed of you and you don't exist so there was real coercion there was real coercion so we're

00:18:45.880 talking about the the unvaccinated experience so here they're faced with this mortal threat

00:18:51.640 and there's no problem if only the vaccinated would leave them alone

00:18:56.220 and leave their kids alone and leave their spouses alone

00:19:01.360 and leave their parents alone in old folks' homes that had no choice.

00:19:04.700 They got jabbed.

00:19:07.980 And you're afraid, and then you get bitter and you get angry,

00:19:13.560 and now you hate and you are divided.

00:19:15.800 Now, do you see how that's the exact same experience, Shadow?

00:19:20.160 Yes.

00:19:21.160 You actually just had a different belief, and in fact,

00:19:23.660 we could even distill it more and say the split was,

00:19:28.400 do you believe the mainstream narrative or do you not?

00:19:32.980 But we had the same experience.

00:19:34.920 So how can I hate somebody who's vaccinated and how can they hate,

00:19:40.080 you know, let's say I'm unvaccinated and how can they hate me when we were

00:19:45.040 both acting the same way, we just believed something differently.

00:19:48.980 and so we had that as an opening and and i had prepared that one

00:19:55.740 um but for day two and every other day after that i literally got told by the holy spirit

00:20:02.240 i'm taking the openings you don't worry about figuring out what to say um and i should have

00:20:10.020 negotiated better you don't get negotiations you have these examples in the old testament

00:20:16.400 where there seems to be some negotiation right so um so i should have said okay you can have them

00:20:24.580 if you give me the outline at night so i can sleep not worrying about what i'm going to say in front

00:20:29.820 of you know tens of thousands of people in the morning when you ask me to get up there and just

00:20:34.920 let you run with it so but there was only one of those 20 days where i i got the outline at night

00:20:40.700 usually it would just be given to me just before we'd get in the car to go so i just have enough

00:20:45.440 time to to sketch it out so that you know i had something to to start with and kind of vaguely

00:20:51.920 follow as i went along i mean it was quite funny in ottawa when he was speaking about judgment i

00:20:58.120 remember thinking well you know i've never actually really thought of it that way so uh i was quite

00:21:03.740 you know but he seemed to be popping up everywhere like there was the odd day where just you come out

00:21:11.400 of any every witness's mouth god jesus um and so something weird happened there but it was

00:21:18.940 beautiful like we a community was started we were told we can stop being afraid it's not that we're

00:21:26.440 not going to be scared again when they throw other curveballs at us whether it's you know disease x

00:21:31.240 or economic collapse or you know terrorist incidents on our own soil or like whatever it is

00:21:37.560 we're going to be afraid again and they're going to throw stuff at us again but we've been there

00:21:43.420 and the message was you can handle it like i remember being paralyzed at first like until

00:21:50.980 those truckers started rolling and and gave us courage because we actually finally saw people

00:21:56.760 standing up um you know we were a lot of us were immobilized but that's not going to happen again

00:22:03.300 and definitely not for long periods of time and then the other thing is is just hearing each

00:22:08.160 other's voices like regardless of where the witness was in the covid conversation whether

00:22:14.260 they're vaccinated or unvaccinated whether they're talking about their education experience or their

00:22:19.160 kids or you know what happened at work there was something healing about us listening to each other

00:22:26.160 again we actually had permission to be a community again and then we also just got this message

00:22:34.140 that we can't we have to start taking responsibility for things personally because the reason we're in

00:22:41.960 this mess where a lot of us feel our institutions aren't responsive to us anymore where we feel our

00:22:48.260 governments aren't really acting in the public interest in a lot of areas is because we don't

00:22:54.920 hold people to account anymore because we're not involved we're not we're not personally involved

00:23:00.280 like i'm a member of a law society what let's say i was concerned with where the law society was

00:23:05.600 going i then have a responsibility to be attending those meetings and being a voice and you know

00:23:11.040 maybe trying to get on the board and the like that my point is is we were being told we have

00:23:16.420 to start taking responsibility you know we have a a duty to love our neighbor like ourself and that

00:23:23.200 compels us to be involved in our institutions in our country to make this a place where you know

00:23:32.540 we want it to be where we want where we know our brother's going to be treated well and taken care

00:23:38.200 of and there'll be honesty and the like so we just had this experience that was absolutely

00:23:44.220 incredible and and if any of your viewers have not watched the testimony please do it'll just

00:23:50.260 blow your mind so again you know just go to nationalcitizensinquiry.ca

00:23:54.700 so but you want to talk about kind of okay what's happening and i'll share what's i'll share what's

00:24:02.100 happening because we feel obligated to do so for two reasons um you know one just because we lost

00:24:08.120 control of our social media channels and the messaging has become such that it's impacting

00:24:14.840 the reputation of our independent commissioners and then you know the other reason is is actually

00:24:21.280 we feel that people need to be told the truth here we're an inquiry where we're trying to shed

00:24:27.140 light into the darkness literally and bring truth to things and you know here we found ourselves

00:24:33.960 oh you know we don't want we don't want to have to go public we don't want to say there's a rift

00:24:39.280 um like it really honestly it was only when the the messaging was getting so out of hand and

00:24:45.400 there's you know one kind of situation i'm not even at liberty to talk with but my gosh if the

00:24:51.000 commissioners had gotten linked to it it could be the end so um so we felt compelled to go public

00:24:58.160 but and i'll go into the details um but one thing i've i've learned that i want to talk about after

00:25:05.960 I go through the details is I think the way we're responding to this we need to examine

00:25:13.200 so you know a lot of people are telling us we like you should just literally hold hands and

00:25:22.720 sing kumbaya and like all get along and like I know none of us like conflict and I know we're

00:25:32.040 supposed to you know like love each other and get along but if somebody is acting in a way that

00:25:38.400 is inappropriate and making representations that aren't correct and are actually doing things that

00:25:44.820 are going to be very harmful to people are we supposed to hold their hands and sing kumbaya

00:25:50.140 you see i would say that's part of our problem as a culture is that we no longer hold people to

00:25:56.100 account for their actions so let me tell you what you know has recently happened so but i have to

00:26:04.640 kind of go into the history of the nci so we we were started by 11 people so we we got together

00:26:16.920 you know there were kind of some preliminary meetings with more people but as of july 29th

00:26:22.320 2022, 11 of us held a meeting and we'd all decided we're going to do this. So we're going to

00:26:30.400 organize and put on a truly independent citizen led and run inquiry to inquire how governments

00:26:41.700 handled COVID. And everyone involved will agree with me that, you know, at all times, our goal

00:26:49.360 was let's structure this so that it would be as independent as possible and we really didn't even

00:26:56.820 understand how difficult of a task we faced so um so we start organizing and if i could just

00:27:04.380 interrupt you for one second sean i i want to make a point of letting the viewers know right now

00:27:09.860 because i get so many messages every single day from people who say what can i do i'm only one

00:27:16.060 person. I suppose I could call my MLA. I could call my MP. I could call my school trustee.

00:27:23.040 And did you hear what Sean just said, everybody? 11 people, 11 people, a group of 11 people got

00:27:30.260 together and they started something miraculous like the National Citizens Inquiry. So you can

00:27:37.560 do this. You can't do it alone, but it doesn't take an army. You'll get the army along the way,

00:27:44.720 but you can do it you can start small everything starts small the journey of a thousand miles

00:27:49.840 begins with a single step anyway i'm sorry sean to interrupt no no because you're you're hitting

00:27:54.580 on something that people have to hear because shadow people have become to feel helpless and

00:28:01.400 they don't understand how powerful they are like you're sitting at home and you might be watching

00:28:08.380 freedom broadcasts and you might be going to the odd rally but you're really not doing things

00:28:13.820 like let's say you know like i use the the province of alberta because i live in alberta

00:28:19.560 and i think we have like 86 mlas so let's say 86 people watching your show from alberta

00:28:26.060 all committed to what one afternoon a month for a year they're going to write a letter

00:28:33.640 to their mla and just for people out east you call them mpps we call them mlas but i'm talking

00:28:40.500 about you know the people we elect to the provincial legislature right so let's say one

00:28:46.400 afternoon a month like that's not a big commitment that's a minimal in fact an embarrassingly small

00:28:51.580 commitment but if i had a hundred people commit in alberta to once a month write a letter to their

00:28:58.920 mla saying i don't want you to vaccinate kids and what for whatever reason comes to mind like just

00:29:03.200 a one-page letter can it can be two paragraphs and then you know and saying this is a voting

00:29:08.240 issue for me and type it out now is that going to take you like 20 minutes half an hour you're

00:29:15.180 going to put the legislative address on your letter and you're going to put your mp's name

00:29:20.740 and you're going to print it off and then you're going to say you know what there's 85 more to go

00:29:25.300 all i have to do is change the name the address is the same so now you spend another hour and 20

00:29:29.920 minutes and now you have 86 letters sign them all put them in the same envelope because it's one

00:29:35.020 address and mail it like what's that going to cost you eight bucks yeah because they it's not free

00:29:40.260 like for a package of 86 it's free for a single letter now if 100 people would commit to do that

00:29:47.900 in alberta every year it would mean every mla in alberta will have received 1200 letters 1200

00:29:55.920 in one year on a single issue you stop jabbing kids and i'm willing to bet that not a single

00:30:02.840 mla or mpp in any province has ever in their life in a year period received 1200 letters on any issue

00:30:10.660 now really if you said to yourself we're we're in a spiritual war it's manifesting as an information

00:30:18.600 war and i have to be involved and let me tell you you have to be involved you have no choice

00:30:25.140 have you heard arthur plesky's dream shadow no i have not please okay well i i i can't resist

00:30:32.820 in a second but i'm just saying you have no choice anymore because you are going to be held

00:30:37.680 accountable for not being a soldier in this war because we're all being called to do that

00:30:42.960 and it's your full-time job like many of you don't work you just get start praying and just

00:30:49.160 start doing something and before you know it you're going to find your niche and like the 11

00:30:55.380 people that started the nci you're going to change the world because you're going to be used it's not

00:31:00.320 you. So I called Arthur Plesky last week because I'd heard from two different sources this dream

00:31:07.800 and I wanted to hear it from Arthur himself. And he told me and I said, Arthur, do you mind if I

00:31:13.460 share this? And he said, well, of course not, because it's meant to be shared. And this is a

00:31:19.040 dream, if I recall the conversation without looking at my notes, that occurred about three years ago.

00:31:24.820 So it was pre-COVID, and it wasn't a dream, it was a vision.

00:31:29.880 Like, we've all had those super vivid dreams.

00:31:33.500 And what Arthur sees is he sees a fence that goes into the horizon as far as the eye can see,

00:31:40.520 and he knows the fence represents the world.

00:31:45.680 And on top of the fence, everyone in the world is sitting on top of the fence.

00:31:50.160 And you see the symbolism there, right?

00:31:52.800 You know, sitting on the fence means you haven't made a decision on an issue.

00:31:56.600 And then God's hands kind of come down and grab the fence and start shaking.

00:32:01.460 He's shaking that fence, and he's really shaking it.

00:32:04.720 I mean, he's violently shaking the fence, and everyone's just hanging on,

00:32:10.000 and they have to choose.

00:32:14.920 What side of the fence am I falling on?

00:32:17.120 am I going to be choosing to follow God

00:32:20.240 or am I going to be choosing to follow Satan

00:32:23.160 and this is Arthur's dreams

00:32:25.440 and this is his explanation

00:32:26.960 and by the end of the shaking

00:32:30.440 there's not a single person left on the fence

00:32:32.780 and the understanding is

00:32:35.020 that people are going to be revealed

00:32:37.040 for who they are

00:32:39.500 they're going to have to choose

00:32:41.060 what side they're on

00:32:42.960 and we're going to see it

00:32:46.480 and I think actually shadow and I mean the reason why you have shows the reason why the NCI calls

00:32:52.960 witnesses is so that people can see truth so that then we can decide what we're going to do with

00:33:02.900 truth it's it's a revealing but I think that we're starting people are going to are starting

00:33:07.900 to have to choose sides on things as it gets more crazy I mean I think in the United States

00:33:12.780 And regardless of what you think of Trump, people are revealing whether they hate him or don't hate him, right?

00:33:21.240 Like, I mean, all these actions to keep him off the ballot in the various states, which, you know, my understanding is is totally unprecedented.

00:33:28.540 I mean, it's revealing things.

00:33:30.520 So, I mean, we're in an exciting time because I think just our corruption and our allowing things to get to this point, you know, we've got a lot of work to do.

00:33:40.440 but that's okay we can just do the work but as people get revealed

00:33:46.160 for being on the wrong side like what if we have a public official and it's revealed they're lying

00:33:53.000 and it's revealed they're corrupt or it's revealed that they're not acting in the public interest

00:33:57.020 are we supposed to hold their hands and sing kumbaya are we supposed to kick them out

00:34:03.600 throw them in jail maybe would be would be better and you know there's a lot of people sean who who

00:34:09.300 want retribution they want to see the perp walk for justin trudeau and i know that that's not

00:34:14.140 going to happen one day but getting back to the fence for a second you know i find that interesting

00:34:18.960 because the people who are not deciding or they're trying so hard to sit on that fence god's going to

00:34:25.580 shake them off one way or the other right and we all feel that somebody else is going to make up

00:34:31.920 their mind for them which is the thing you know somebody asked me the other day jamie soleil i

00:34:37.460 was on her show. And she asked me, could you ever not do what you're doing? And I said, no,

00:34:45.980 I couldn't sleep at night. This is the reason I do this is because I'm trying to reveal things,

00:34:52.720 just like you say. I want the truth out there. I want the people who are supposed to be accountable

00:34:58.080 to be accountable, the elected people, the appointed people. It doesn't matter to me.

00:35:02.640 they've been put into a job where they're accountable to the public and they're not doing so

00:35:08.640 and so with every word we utter with every action we take we want to get that truth out there for

00:35:15.920 people to understand and absorb that truth and then it's up to them what they want to do with it

00:35:20.500 but this is what our job is as you say you know i found your your answer to jamie soleil really

00:35:27.680 interesting that you wouldn't be able to sleep at night because first of all people don't understand

00:35:32.520 how much work it is to put on a podcast like you do and to do it as well as you do and push it out

00:35:38.880 as well as you do people have no idea shadow the commitment that you're making to do this

00:35:44.760 and um but it's funny because my wife and i i think it was maybe three days ago because my wife

00:35:51.640 um has been heavily involved in the nci and basically since the hearings has run most of

00:35:57.560 of the operating structures and but it's just been horrible because we've been sabotaged within for

00:36:04.320 so long I've well we both felt that we were under a constructive dismissal attempt for quite a long

00:36:10.740 period of time and and we just wanted to quit and wanted to quit and wanted to quit and but just

00:36:17.160 felt we couldn't and you know my wife was really upset the other day and and wondering if she could

00:36:25.060 go on and i asked her i said can you quit

00:36:30.520 and she thought about it like she took her time and she's you know and basically it's like she

00:36:39.380 couldn't live with herself until the nci is safe like for her she feels her role is um to keep it

00:36:47.320 safe until you know it's in safe hands and others can push you know push forward with with the

00:36:52.420 commissioner report and further healing or hearings rather but you know it's not a freudian slip to

00:36:58.300 say healing because the the hearings are or whatever one of the same yeah i think some truth slipped

00:37:05.900 out um but you have to understand that um the most important thing for you is to be proud of who you

00:37:16.020 are and do what's right regardless of the cost. You know, Shadow, and I expect this is for all

00:37:25.360 your viewers, that when they were young, but I'm going to just switch it to first person for them.

00:37:31.120 So when you were young, you had this feeling like you're just a little kid, but you had this

00:37:38.300 feeling you were here for something really important. Like you just knew it. You were

00:37:43.040 special you were here for something really important you didn't know what it was but you knew

00:37:47.440 you were here to make a difference and then you know we socialize you in school and then we

00:37:53.900 socialize you in school some more and then either you got to get a job or go to university and

00:37:58.700 college and get more school and then get a job and then you know before you know it you're got

00:38:03.240 a family and you're driving kids to soccer practice and you probably found yourself thinking in all

00:38:08.120 this busyness that our society deliberately creates for us this is by design you probably

00:38:15.700 found yourself thinking well i guess i was wrong when i was a little kid

00:38:19.480 that i wasn't here for anything special because you know life's just got you so caught up you'd

00:38:25.260 no longer believe you'd make a difference but now we're in this situation where everything's changed

00:38:30.280 where now we know that we're in a historic time we're in a we are in a turning point

00:38:36.140 we actually have the opportunity now you know every period of time in history there's kind of

00:38:43.100 a rebirth and we evolve in how we govern ourselves into something better than we had before and we

00:38:50.320 change our way of thinking and we we change the philosophical assumptions that underlay our

00:38:55.920 society i think we're at one of those turning points if you stand up and do the important

00:39:03.340 things that you're here to do because actually it's us here right now that get to decide do we

00:39:09.840 slide into world tyranny or do we birth and birthing is painful but do we birth into something

00:39:16.060 that they're going to look back and see this as a wonderful turning point that we brought about

00:39:25.340 because we stood up and chose to be the people that we are right now being called to be so i mean

00:39:31.140 we're in an exciting time it's kind of you know that phrase best of times worst of times

00:39:36.500 right so you you were very incrementally talking about uh the constructive dismissal you just

00:39:44.600 referred to it um when it comes to the inner workings of the nci and i know it's a long

00:39:50.780 explanation but if you could please tell us well what has happened yeah so i won't go into the

00:39:56.500 constructive dismissal um that that's been something that had been going on for a long time

00:40:01.220 because you know there were there was a different vision from the very beginning like we didn't

00:40:08.220 realize that there was a faction within us that seemed to be working together um

00:40:12.680 that truly have a different vision and i don't have a problem with you having a different vision

00:40:18.780 i just have a problem when you make representations that that i don't think are truthful

00:40:25.160 and then you try to bully us and others with it so let me share with you what happened i have to

00:40:30.080 go back to the structure so i told you 11 of us started this we called ourselves the support group

00:40:35.880 we're we're a board but we actually use the very milquetoast term support group because we're going

00:40:41.900 to have commissioners and we don't want it to appear that you know we're the boss like everything

00:40:46.420 we're doing is to be independent right down to how we'd refer to ourselves but you know

00:40:51.420 shadow hopefully you can provide that link to the memo and shadow said something like it's seven or

00:40:59.140 eighty pages don't let that don't let that make you afraid the memo i think is seven or eight

00:41:04.800 pages and you know not it's not a small print or anything the memo itself is an easy read

00:41:10.140 but the documents it refers to are attached so if you if we refer to a document and you want to look

00:41:17.880 at the whole thing it's there so we're just trying to actually be transparent by providing the

00:41:24.020 documents but i do realize the size when you download the pdf of scared people

00:41:28.220 it has but one of the things in there one of the documents are our minutes

00:41:34.640 of that first meeting and you'll see we're very organized you know we're figuring out our quorum

00:41:39.360 we're figuring out our membership we're figuring out how we're going to govern ourselves and then

00:41:44.560 we're just getting down and doing business so at that point we are an unincorporated association

00:41:51.760 and most things that are done are done just by people that get together and just do it

00:41:57.260 and you're we're free to do that right so you don't need to have a corporation to get together

00:42:05.220 and organize something like the nci and do it so but very soon we needed we realized well we've got

00:42:11.020 to collect funds because we we didn't have any funds um i don't even remember what our our initial

00:42:16.840 estimate was but i think it was over a million dollars to run eight sets of hearings you know

00:42:23.420 three days in each city basically marching our original plan was to have five commissioners not

00:42:28.920 four it just worked out we ended up with four so you know we're thinking we're gonna have to raise

00:42:34.020 a million dollars well i'm not going to collect funds like if people had to write checks to sean

00:42:39.780 buckley or david ross or something in their own personal name that's going to look pretty funny

00:42:44.360 right like that's not going to go over very well with the public so let's incorporate a non-profit

00:42:50.500 and now shadow we have a decision to make do the 11 of us all become board members so directors

00:42:59.360 of the non-profit and adopt a corporate board model for governance that was open to us

00:43:06.820 it's funny that we've done that now in the support group we've incorporated a new non-profit

00:43:13.300 and we we've moved into the board model but back then we didn't for two reasons

00:43:19.840 one of the reasons where some of us myself included were afraid to be publicly mentioned

00:43:26.380 like you have to remember this is back in the summer of 2022

00:43:30.040 too. I mean, the piece that the truckers brought to us was still a new thing. And I know I was

00:43:40.020 personally afraid of being identified. And then also we had a problem is some of us were really

00:43:46.620 publicly identifiable with certain positions. So our current chair, Ted Kuntz, well, I mean,

00:43:53.300 he's president of vaccine choice canada now the optics there aren't good are they

00:43:58.860 so because here we're building ourselves as an independent inquiry and and we really did do

00:44:07.000 everything we could to make it as independent as possible and now we're all extremely proud of that

00:44:11.740 but we thought well if we list and ted wasn't the only one that was like a freedom group leader

00:44:15.900 if we like list ourselves as directors you have to publicly do that in the board model

00:44:20.240 well then people are going to say you guys can't run an independent inquiry

00:44:24.680 so we so those were the two reasons fear and we didn't want to sabotage ourselves so we actually

00:44:32.200 have this discussion at a board meeting or i'll call it a board meeting or a support group meeting

00:44:40.020 same thing we have this discussion and it's like well okay that's fine so we're going to then just

00:44:45.880 incorporate for the sole purpose of collecting and dispersing funds, but we're only going to

00:44:51.220 name three of us as directors. So like, it's funny, because there's, you know, three people

00:44:56.480 involved in this, you know, I'll call it palace coup, you know, David Ross, Jess Crosby, and

00:45:04.240 Andre Litvinenko. I'm sorry, I stumbled over that, and I apologize, Andre, because it's

00:45:10.780 and it's actually important to have names correct um so david ross and andre were charged at that

00:45:19.060 meeting will you guys figure out the the corporate structure and come up with a proposal for us

00:45:23.640 so by the next meeting they drafted a proposal it was drafted on august 18 2022

00:45:29.800 and so we actually have this it's part of our minutes this proposal i'm just going to read a

00:45:36.640 bit of it now but the proposal is an attachment to the memo like all of this that i'm talking about

00:45:42.540 you can just you can go into great detail but i'm just going to read part of it i'm going to read

00:45:47.000 it verbatim except that there's a couple of places where there's the letter nfp which stands for not

00:45:54.380 for profit and if i write in it just say nfp you're not going to know what i'm talking about

00:45:59.080 so but for that i'm reading verbatim the not for profit so this is the proposal prepared by david

00:46:05.860 Ross and Andre in response to us saying no we just want this to collect and disperse funds but

00:46:12.540 we're going to run the show so they actually drafted this and brought it back to us as a

00:46:16.900 proposal accurately and it reads the non-profit not-for-profit would strictly act as a legal

00:46:27.180 organ for the inquiry and shall not be used as a decision-making mechanism the support committee

00:46:35.500 shall retain authority over all administrative, logistical, and financial matters, instructing

00:46:44.560 the not-for-profits board to action as needed, example, releasing funds. A little later on in

00:46:51.320 that document, under the heading Directors and Formal Rules, it reads, per Section A above,

00:46:56.900 I've just read from Section 8. The not-for-profit merely acts as a necessary legal organ and has no

00:47:07.080 formal authority to make administrative, logistical, or financial decisions on the

00:47:12.580 inquiry's behalf. So we adopt this proposal, which reflected what we had discussed at the previous

00:47:19.340 meeting. We adopted it without changes, and we charged them with incorporating. And they also

00:47:25.780 suggested let's have three directors you know the two that i'd mentioned and one other and and we

00:47:31.360 agreed with the proposal 100 and so this non-profit is incorporated now i include the bylaws in the

00:47:38.060 memo but you can go to corporations canada and download them for free they have a background

00:47:43.620 section before the text of the bylaws now that's unusual like you don't normally put a background

00:47:50.360 section but it was so important for us to make clear that the not-for-profit called citizens

00:47:57.640 inquiry canada was just there to collect and disperse funds it actually says that in the

00:48:02.600 bylaws in the background that they're there on the behest of the support group to collect and

00:48:07.100 disperse funds well we so we incorporate them with the three directors and the 11 support group

00:48:15.820 people are the members we're all the members this becomes important later on something that

00:48:22.320 that just happened within the last 24 hours because the agreement was the members of the

00:48:27.700 corporation would be the members of the support group so they would mirror each other so we're

00:48:32.940 not named as directors but we're the members so this is all working fine we're not having any

00:48:39.320 disagreement about this at all. And now it's time to draft the inquiry rules.

00:48:46.260 You can go to our website, citizensinquiry.ca, and read the rules. They're on the website. And

00:48:55.800 you can go to the Wayback Machine and verify that they've never changed. Posted them and

00:49:02.260 they've never changed now in the introduction section to the rules it makes it really clear

00:49:09.740 the support group runs the show and you know the not-for-profit is just there to collect and

00:49:16.600 disperse funds and then section eight of the rules has a definition of support group and i do want to

00:49:23.080 read that and i'll just i'll read it verbatim but you can go the rules yourself and read them

00:49:27.220 Support group means the collection of individuals forming the support group, which started and manages both the National Citizens Inquiry and the non-profit corporation started for the management of National Citizen Inquiry funds.

00:49:49.200 So even in our rules, which govern the inquiry, both the administration and the commissioners, we made it crystal clear.

00:50:00.680 And it's funny, just today I was looking at all the emails back and forth between myself and Chess Crosby and, you know, the lawyer we had helped draft the rules with us.

00:50:10.340 You know, back and forth, actually on this issue about making it super clear in the rules that the support group is the governing body.

00:50:18.140 in fact the non-profit isn't even mentioned by name it's only mentioned a couple of times

00:50:23.320 and always it's mentioned just to make it clear that they they work for the support group and

00:50:29.120 not the other way around if you were to go through all of our minutes of all of our meetings you

00:50:35.700 would see that absolutely every decision of any consequence is well all decisions i'm not aware

00:50:42.780 of a single decision other than you know like they're supposed to hold meetings to govern the

00:50:49.260 company they got that obligation which is tasked by us with collecting and dispersing funds

00:50:53.980 like shadow it's funny because that's all we've asked them to do it's

00:51:00.600 i'll go on before i say that so another thing that's interesting is you know we had mr david

00:51:07.820 Ross. Remember when Preston Manning became chair of the Alberta thing and some people were

00:51:13.460 suggesting, you know, Preston, you shouldn't be chairing this and you shouldn't be the public

00:51:17.940 face. And so he stepped down. He stepped down as our spokesperson and he stepped down as chair of

00:51:25.560 the support committee and David Ross was appointed in his place. And so I think that happened in

00:51:32.900 April of 2023 and then up until December 13th of this of 2023 David Ross was our chair now

00:51:43.040 this is important because as the chairperson you know how we're run surely I mean and he was a

00:51:48.980 founding support group member anyway and he drafted that proposal that I read from so all of our

00:51:55.320 management under David Ross was consistent with the support group running the show but he gets

00:52:01.800 voted off for cause on December 13th of 2023. And two days later, he sends an email to Mr. Ted

00:52:11.360 Kuntz, who's the new chair of the support group. And I'm going to read to you part of the email

00:52:16.820 because it makes it clear again that the support group runs the show. So the email is just setting

00:52:23.800 out. He's having to transition out now. It's quite an appropriate email. He's saying, well,

00:52:28.800 we have to deal with this. We have to deal with this. And then he's saying, you know, this,

00:52:33.600 the nonprofit, it's got to have its annual general meeting. And then he says, and this is this email

00:52:40.560 is part of the memo. So you can read it yourself in context. But he says to Mr. Ted Kuntz, the new

00:52:47.460 chair, would you please make it an urgent priority for the support group to confirm the appointment

00:52:56.220 of andre let vinjenko and tag law as nci's corporate lawyers to guide the needed restructuring

00:53:03.860 so he's just talking about how the non-profit needs to be restructured and he's begging ted

00:53:08.960 cunts put this on the support group agenda to appoint the lawyer now i'll ask anyone

00:53:15.580 because now they're taking the position that no the non-profit runs everything the support group

00:53:23.860 has no authority and they've just kind of suffered us um this little charade of running things

00:53:30.560 that's not consistent with this email begging ted to appoint a lawyer and then on the 17th and i

00:53:39.600 won't read that one but mr ross sends another email to ted koontz basically saying you got

00:53:46.240 to get my personal information and and payment liability off some of these things because i'm

00:53:52.400 no longer in management and I don't want that if I'm no longer in management which I'm not

00:53:56.920 again not very consistent so the point I'm trying to make and I'll just stop there on the

00:54:03.600 the documentation is is for an entire history our documentation clearly shows and so I challenge

00:54:11.840 anyone to read that memo I don't want to talk to anyone saying hold hands and sing kumbaya if you

00:54:17.500 haven't read the memo because what happened then is about and i don't have the exact date but maybe

00:54:23.200 about 12 days after we voted mr ross off of the support group he and mr ches crosby and andre all

00:54:32.500 of a sudden for the first time we hear no you have no authority we run the the nci we're the directors

00:54:40.500 of the non-profit the non-profit has all the the authority and you're our lapdogs now

00:54:45.300 the rest of us hearing this

00:54:47.840 are having personal difficulties

00:54:52.140 because we're

00:54:54.160 I know I was of the opinion like

00:54:55.980 you're just making this up

00:54:57.820 for a power play

00:54:58.960 right

00:55:01.580 but what to what

00:55:04.060 end are they now trying to

00:55:05.960 grasp control

00:55:07.500 and for what reason

00:55:09.660 yeah well they're totally trying to

00:55:12.020 they're trying well I just figured out today

00:55:14.060 they want the name national citizens inquiry okay because they know they can't stop us from going on

00:55:19.980 and holding more hearings but we had a social media contractor named garrett melee and they've

00:55:27.040 convinced garrett melee to base and to basically change all the passwords on our social media

00:55:32.400 accounts and stop taking directions from us and take directions from them so so we found ourselves

00:55:39.680 well all of a sudden we lost control of our social media accounts now shadow we have whole

00:55:44.720 teams organized municipal teams and other teams to be pushing the commissioner's report we actually

00:55:51.020 got like banned from a program we got i don't know like 10 000 emails out like in seven days

00:55:57.460 saying you know on the interim report and you know we we were creating a whole bunch of fluff

00:56:04.060 well that's really hampered us because you've taken our social media accounts you know i i

00:56:10.700 recently called recalled dr robert malone as a witness to update us on fifth generational

00:56:15.980 warfare um to update us on basically the congressional hearings on the status of the

00:56:21.660 virus and also the you know florida surgeon general calling for a stopping of all of the

00:56:27.720 vaccines it was just a crazy good interview they didn't promote it or stream it because they've

00:56:34.440 seized our social accounts and they don't they don't want to be put publishing what the nci is

00:56:40.640 actually doing now we were okay i mean we're first of all we're in shock for for like you kind of got

00:56:46.700 a like what's happening here and you feel all threatened and you think all is lost and you're

00:56:52.620 in despair and and then we kind of like well we have no choice we have to carry on um so

00:56:59.120 and actually our you know our we've got this volunteer um that's just been a total workhorse

00:57:07.620 and the guy's just super and he's done a whole bunch of web stuff for us and he says this is

00:57:11.540 actually really good because if you hadn't lost your social media channels you had to rebrand

00:57:16.120 anyway like you know our twitter account was something like you know inquiry canada and our

00:57:21.440 facebook account would be something else and our instagram like there was no synergy right so all

00:57:26.260 our new accounts are you know nci canada they're all the same name but you have to rebuild and

00:57:31.860 repopulate those accounts now and you have thousands of followers well yeah like i think

00:57:36.620 on twitter we had like 30 000 or something but here's where everything's possible like so first

00:57:41.780 of all we were dead man walking because the plan was to um to not let us know what the plan was

00:57:49.280 and then we would have this annual general meeting which we've never had yet even though we're like

00:57:55.160 we should have last august um and they were planning on springing this trap i think where

00:58:01.140 they had basically then say announce we're all in control and you know and we're folding or we're

00:58:09.140 taking it over and they would have already had their our social media contractor in line and

00:58:13.820 they would have had our website but when david you know voted off the support group he made a

00:58:22.560 mistake a couple of days later and transferred the website to us it was in his personal name

00:58:27.020 it always belonged to the support group but we have the website and that's allow that's allowing

00:58:31.560 us to continue right that's amazing i mean i've actually i totally feel your pain i've been through

00:58:36.660 this very same type of thing in just the past few weeks but david sorry david ross was uh voted off

00:58:45.260 with cause on december 13th you said yeah what was the cause did you guys you know i was you

00:58:52.680 don't want to talk about it i mean that's fine i really i really don't i don't want to i don't

00:58:56.800 want to go into to that at all because it's not relevant to what's happening so but let me tell

00:59:04.380 you why we went public and and again we didn't want to and now in retrospect i i believe it's

00:59:09.700 a mistake and i'll share with you why um you know aside from the fact that then you're not being

00:59:14.660 honest with your supporters right but we were afraid to go public and then you know like

00:59:21.180 social media so remember we're an independent inquiry and our social media reflects on the

00:59:29.980 reputation of the commissioners and so we have never tagged with any freedom group we don't post

00:59:36.760 what other freedom groups do we don't ally with them and we don't go sensational and we don't go

00:59:41.600 angry right so you know all of a sudden like we're linking to alex jones and i i've got nothing

00:59:49.140 against alex jones but he has a reputation that i don't want tying our independent commissioners to

00:59:55.660 you know this wonderful emergency act decision comes out and i haven't even watched the video

01:00:03.000 i don't want to but apparently you know chess says things like there'll be hell to pay

01:00:06.560 and garrett you know posts that as a headline well i don't want to link independent commissioners

01:00:11.300 or the inside administration with comments like there's going to be hell to pay

01:00:15.440 and then there's some freedom groups basically saying they're tied and linked to the nci and

01:00:22.860 the two are cooperating and and they're posting you know things that other groups are doing so

01:00:28.020 now we're linking the commissioners and I you know I'm not no judgment they can be the best

01:00:32.920 freedom groups out there and we could all be terribly proud with them but you don't link

01:00:36.840 commissioners to them right you you don't link the independent administration of the national

01:00:43.680 citizens inquiry to other freedom groups and and it was going from bad to worse there's something

01:00:49.080 i can't talk about that we were so terrified about that would just totally destroy everyone's

01:00:54.420 reputation that we thought we at least need to tell the public that's not our voice that you

01:01:00.160 know david ross and garrett me lee and you know michelle the duke caitlin and chess crosby

01:01:05.960 pretending to be the nci they're not just just was voted off for cause shortly after david ross

01:01:12.700 he's showing up at our meetings with the oh you know yeah i'm i know i drafted these rules with

01:01:18.240 you saying that the support group runs things but no no the cic has all the authority and you guys

01:01:24.140 must get down on your knees and kiss my ring well we couldn't function with the guy that way

01:01:29.060 do you think that these guys were were planning this whole thing right from the outset or was it

01:01:34.380 something that developed later on i do but that's speculation like shadow you know how dangerous it

01:01:42.220 is dangerous it is to speculate about you know what somebody else is thinking or planning or

01:01:49.460 all of that all i know is is my experience on the inside um i felt that i was in the middle

01:01:56.500 of a constructive dismissal my wife felt the same way and for the longest time it's all we could do

01:02:03.060 not to quit but we felt if we quit the thing would fall apart and then we couldn't live with

01:02:08.300 ourselves right so you know so so we just we we toughed it out um and so now actually the whole

01:02:16.360 support group is feeling extremely positive because we were a house divided like we weren't

01:02:23.380 being allowed to to organize the hearings that we had voted in july that we wanted to hold

01:02:28.340 we we were being sabotaged within and and there there was this group within us that is putting

01:02:35.960 some other interest above what i think is in the interest of the nci how does it serve what

01:02:41.160 happened shadow to take the social media accounts from those that were managing them from the very

01:02:48.020 beginning like were we doing a bad job and and by taking our social media accounts like i'm sorry

01:02:56.020 chess crosby and and david ross and andre were not involved in the day-to-day running at the nci they

01:03:02.260 weren't involved with the volunteer teams so why would you take that tool away from the volunteer

01:03:06.580 teams and then have the audacity to publicly say well no we actually want to push the commissioner's

01:03:12.900 report and they want to run hearings well we were pushing the commissioner's report and are

01:03:18.100 we're still having meetings with our volunteers and doing it and putting pressure on we're the

01:03:22.000 ones doing it you've just taken away one of our big tools and you have the audacity to say well

01:03:27.420 you've done it so that you can push the commissioner's report because we don't

01:03:31.740 want to. Well, again, I mean, I'm sorry.

01:03:34.280 I couldn't say that to people and look in the mirror and feel good about

01:03:39.920 myself. I just couldn't. So why are you sabotaging us?

01:03:44.080 I don't know. They're going to have to answer that.

01:03:46.840 But their messaging is, A, no, we're in control and they're not.

01:03:51.520 And now they're trying to spin it as, oh, this is a philosophical dispute.

01:03:55.120 they want to hold hearings we want to push the the commissioner's report well you know they were

01:04:00.340 telling us internally they wanted to basically crash this they wanted to end the nci and that's

01:04:06.560 what their plan is and they've taken our money and we don't even know how much money there is shadow

01:04:10.520 we've never had an accounting so so we started collecting funds in like we incorporated in

01:04:18.960 september we got financial statements for like the month and a half after so we got financial

01:04:24.840 statements two two pieces of papers so a single it could have been one piece of paper it was on

01:04:30.460 both sides a balance sheet and um a profit loss statement we probably had about nine financial

01:04:38.940 transactions at the time since then we've had no financial records and so the support group finds

01:04:45.380 itself in the situation we don't even know how much money's come in we don't know how it's been

01:04:51.660 spent um we know in the spring like we didn't have enough money to run the hearings until we

01:04:59.820 got to the end of the hearings like we were just at least we were being told we were just

01:05:03.340 meeting it along the way but then we were so popular like people were still donating when

01:05:08.500 we didn't need money so we stopped asking for money like we stopped fundraising but we were

01:05:14.360 told we had about 275 000 in the account one month and then you know two or three weeks later

01:05:20.160 well after we spend all our expenses we'll probably have two hundred thousand

01:05:23.800 and so that's a lot of money because we haven't spent a lot of money since we haven't been very

01:05:29.640 active and donations keep coming in and you know without telling us david ross had sent out another

01:05:35.160 fundraising letter not you know when we wouldn't have approved that because we don't need to raise

01:05:40.320 funds so you're telling us that those guys have absconded with the funds that were raised from

01:05:46.600 the people of canada well we've demanded because we've we have set up another non-profit and we

01:05:52.500 are the nci we are the like i mean it was just two guys those two guys that we kicked off

01:05:57.740 and they're pretending to be us and we've demanded the funds to be transferred to us

01:06:02.780 and they've refused to do that and wow wow and they're making spending decisions that we don't

01:06:09.520 agree with so i mean it's another difficulty we're having is you know we're now going to

01:06:14.580 have to raise funds again to to set up and run these hearings when we should have had a kitty

01:06:21.680 to do it right it's it's going to be confusing for people too if these guys are allowed to continue

01:06:27.740 running around out there using the name national citizens inquiry yeah and it kind of begs the

01:06:33.680 question why but you know another fun and i just have to share it's kind of a new development

01:06:38.120 that in the last 24 hours is um you know somebody i was talking to yesterday actually who's a

01:06:44.900 volunteer with us because there's this dialogue going on and now their messaging is um another

01:06:50.720 one of their messaging is is well no no we're having a disagreement and we can settle it at

01:06:56.620 the annual general meeting now there's two problems with that is first of all you don't

01:07:01.880 have any authority over us you're there to collect and disperse funds so we can talk about collecting

01:07:07.360 and dispersing funds but you you have no authority to say that the nci continues or doesn't continue

01:07:13.900 but now they're going to hold a board meeting on march 1st shadow and they're going to actually

01:07:19.400 change you know their purpose it's one of the motions to so where they don't hold hearings

01:07:24.400 like why would you change your corporate purpose so you can't but here's where it's fun

01:07:28.120 is so they're saying well let's sort it out at the net the annual general meeting well first

01:07:34.960 problem is is if we accept that you have authority over us we're buying into your lie like right

01:07:40.880 we'll go there and talk about finances but if you want to pretend you have authority over what we do

01:07:46.080 i'm sorry you don't like are they going to pass a motion saying i have to buy green towels like

01:07:50.440 i the only thing i consented to is you collect and disperse funds at our direction because we

01:07:58.120 needed a legal entity for that and that's all anyone else in the support group delegated to

01:08:02.660 them and it's all documented in that memo with attachments but here's where it gets fun and

01:08:09.420 here's where you really know that it's a lie let's settle it at the annual general meeting

01:08:13.480 shadow the original members were the support group members so the 11 original support group members

01:08:19.900 were the members and the whole idea was the only members of the corporation would be the support

01:08:27.700 group members well the company is incorporated on september 9th 2022 and and the original

01:08:37.660 support group are the 11 members now some of us some of the original support group members have

01:08:42.660 left so we're not the original nine anymore um so we basically this board goes

01:08:54.340 like we're 17 months from september 9th now so in december they appoint

01:09:03.380 a new member who is not a support group member and they don't support they don't appoint as

01:09:10.460 members people who are on support group and then we just learned on january 29th 2004 so like what

01:09:18.100 what's that not even 10 10 days ago yeah they appoint five new members none of whom are support

01:09:26.940 group members and those six additional members if if you know if the support group had play a game

01:09:32.820 can you write out people who you know are going to vote for david ross and anything he says and

01:09:38.520 vote against us wow would all be on that list so they've just stacked the board because there's

01:09:46.100 less than 11 of us and they've just added six right so here they're publicly messaging oh no

01:09:53.840 let's hold hands let's sing kumbaya and let's settle this at the annual general meeting and

01:09:59.020 they've just stacked the board so that even like like i say the first problem is is well you don't

01:10:04.920 have the authority anyway so we're just there to talk about collection and disbursement of funds

01:10:09.400 but here your public messaging to the world and in fact i think they're going to send out a press

01:10:15.960 release on our email channels which is illegal because those email addresses were collected by

01:10:21.440 the website which even the rules say belong to the support group and by law you can't send out

01:10:29.600 emails collected by somebody else's website so but they're going to send it out on our our email list

01:10:36.600 basically saying well it's a philosophical problem and we'll settle it at the annual general meeting

01:10:44.340 why are they being so unreasonable and they've stacked the board already how many more are they

01:10:49.600 going to point between now and the march 1st do they even have the authority to no wait did they

01:10:57.260 do they have the authority to to stack the deck like that i actually i i don't think they do

01:11:03.460 because the bylaws um it's only members that can can um get members off and the section before

01:11:12.960 doesn't define who can or can't do that but it doesn't say the board can appoint two new members

01:11:18.020 and i would actually as a lawyer read that and say no the implication is is this is a member thing

01:11:23.920 not a board thing like not a director thing so i i would lean to that they can't but

01:11:31.160 you know they have and it's just kind of funny though right because anyone who would appreciate

01:11:39.460 fair play so you mean we go 15 months without you appointing a single person as a member

01:11:46.320 after we have this management split where all of a sudden you're saying no the directors have

01:11:52.860 control and you don't but oh you're all members and we have to have a general meeting and there's

01:11:58.240 more of you than us they they appoint six people after we have who who is gonna they're gonna vote

01:12:03.540 against us like help me out here yeah so that's would you call that fair play shadow of course

01:12:10.620 not that's absolutely ridiculous but what i'm trying to understand here is what are they doing

01:12:17.220 you guys as the national citizens inquiry and we already covered this earlier in this discussion

01:12:23.720 did such a fantastic job bringing this country together allowing people to tell their stories

01:12:31.220 waking up thousands of people all across this country

01:12:35.420 as to what has happened

01:12:36.940 and the real-world results of things that have happened

01:12:40.540 to members of their community.

01:12:42.600 You've done a fantastic job in lifting people up

01:12:46.220 by broadcasting to thousands of people these hearings.

01:12:51.640 Well, I don't want to speculate.

01:12:53.680 I'm just trying to figure out what these guys are trying to do.

01:12:56.500 Are they trying to crash this?

01:12:58.320 And if so, to what end?

01:12:59.480 And again, I know it's speculation, Sean, but I just I'm floored here that there's people who are actually trying to take this down.

01:13:07.700 I'm floored, too, because I think the National Citizens Inquiry is our best chance at, you know, pulling this country back from the brink because it's such a powerful tool.

01:13:17.520 And there's so many people behind us. So I'm actually grieved like shadow.

01:13:22.980 i don't have a single law file i've closed my office i i'm still paying my dues and stuff like

01:13:30.020 that and you know if somebody comes along and wants consulting or nhp licensing i'll you know

01:13:35.380 pass that on to my scientist that does that but i'm not i'm not practicing law because i do you

01:13:42.500 know basically volunteered more than full time since july of 2022 because i believe this was an

01:13:51.680 this was something that god would bless to use to shine light and the thing that i can't stand

01:13:57.760 shadow is that we're jabbing kids like you can disagree with me your audience can disagree

01:14:04.060 but i'm of the view that it it is reckless for us to be jabbing kids with mnra vaccines

01:14:10.900 and and i want to stop it like i want to stop mothers from jabbing kids and i'm grieved you

01:14:18.300 take our social media accounts away so we can't because we're just growing and growing and growing

01:14:22.800 so that we can't be reaching people and we can't be pushing the commissioner's report and you're

01:14:28.240 hampering us and waking people up like that's what i can't get my head around is is are you

01:14:33.900 pretending that this actually isn't going to affect the battle that we've all been fighting like

01:14:40.140 well i guess that's obviously their their point well you've become a big problem to them and

01:14:47.680 And maybe they were playing on the black team the whole time.

01:14:50.080 That's what it sounds like to me now.

01:14:51.840 But let's not speculate because on the other hand, like, I mean,

01:14:55.460 the funny thing is I'm going through all of our board minutes and stuff like

01:14:58.880 that. Like we couldn't have done this without all 11.

01:15:03.940 Like, so on the one hand,

01:15:05.740 this really precious thing occurred because of those 11 people,

01:15:09.920 but something's gone off the rails. And I mean, I just begged them like back

01:15:14.640 off, give us our social media accounts.

01:15:16.420 you can go and push the commission we want groups to form to push the commissioner's report that's

01:15:21.960 great you can't have the name national citizens inquiry it doesn't belong to you like like just

01:15:27.800 stop that's all we want just give us our accounts back do what you want to do but don't sabotage

01:15:35.060 and don't pretend to be us like how destructive is that could you imagine shadow if somebody

01:15:41.240 started a podcast called shadow davis and was you know pretending to be new and confusing people

01:15:48.200 don't give anybody any ideas please you know well i might i might be looking for something to do yeah

01:15:54.400 so you know it's it's just how do you get there where you're actually taking social media channels

01:16:04.240 you never have managed

01:16:06.020 and you're pretending

01:16:08.260 to be the NCI

01:16:10.560 after you were voted off

01:16:12.340 of the board

01:16:13.040 now some of these

01:16:16.300 people who are subverting

01:16:18.200 the actual cause

01:16:20.260 here are some

01:16:22.160 pretty high level people

01:16:23.920 oh yes

01:16:25.720 yeah

01:16:26.300 with lots of resources

01:16:29.120 so when you talk about all

01:16:31.980 holding hands and singing

01:16:34.000 kumbaya because a lot of us you know we're maybe not using our discernment properly and we're just

01:16:41.600 teaming up with anybody who wants to get rid of these jabs or who wants to get rid of these

01:16:46.880 these ridiculous laws where kids can just go ahead and get gender affirming surgery at the age of 11

01:16:52.980 right but we don't actually stop to maybe check their character and i think you know i've learned

01:16:58.860 that lesson a few times over the past four years and it's a shame to me that people that you think

01:17:05.820 are playing right along with you and you're on the same team all of a sudden will stand up and

01:17:13.320 turn their back on you and not just that but they will try to take what you've built

01:17:18.100 it's amazing to me yeah you know like shadow i would have been fine with

01:17:24.140 if internally they were saying actually we don't want anything to do with hearings we just want to

01:17:30.820 push the commissioner's report because this is what they're saying publicly if this if they had

01:17:34.480 said that internally and then okay we guys are just have to go your your way and how do we do

01:17:39.800 this well great but that we were basically told internally something that i to my core i isn't

01:17:46.680 true it's not what i experienced they're saying that the non-profit has always had the power and

01:17:50.820 runs us and that's how we made our decisions when i'm sorry you cannot read that memo you cannot

01:17:55.700 read the sporting documents and come to that conclusion so they never sean would have been

01:18:01.740 able to do what they did if they told you the truth behind closed doors that's the diabolical

01:18:07.520 part of this you know and then to be publicly messaging oh well let's solve this at an annual

01:18:12.260 general meeting again aside from the fact well wait a second then we all have to buy into the

01:18:17.040 lie problem one but you've just stacked the membership with people that are going to vote

01:18:21.880 for you and you've and they've taken your money too like so well yeah well they haven't taken my

01:18:27.340 money and we were told and again we haven't ever had an accounting but we were told that

01:18:31.860 you know it was tons and tons and tons of small donations like it literally was

01:18:36.460 just average canadian supporting this as best they could and um yeah and i they're gonna you

01:18:44.280 know i think their goal is i think financially to just spend the funds i mean we were told by

01:18:52.580 somebody that would know because they spoke to them that they were talking about giving the

01:18:56.400 funds to the commissioners well the commissioners wouldn't accept the funds but it tells us they

01:19:00.980 have no intention of ever giving them back to us so they're just now going to spend it they'll

01:19:05.380 you know put people on the payroll that should be volunteers and and like somehow they'll get

01:19:11.440 rid of that money but i'm worried what about litigation at this point i mean can you get that

01:19:16.600 frozen before they they do spend it we don't have any funds and and would we collect front

01:19:22.720 funds from average canadians to start a lawsuit to get funds back like yeah that's like a dog

01:19:28.960 chasing its tail i'm actually expecting they're gonna start because some of them have resources

01:19:34.700 that you know their pocket change is all my wealth um i'm you know i'm worried that they'll

01:19:40.860 start a lawsuit against us because i i've been a lawyer and you know you can go a long way

01:19:46.880 saying black is white well we've seen that firsthand uh on several different fronts

01:19:53.820 over the past few years so so what are we going to do then well actually what we're going to do

01:19:59.480 is realize how good this is because shadow this is the best thing that could have happened because

01:20:04.840 we did have people inside that wanted to end this and if we actually hadn't had kind of the internal

01:20:13.320 problems become so bad that we had to vote David Ross off we would not have known this and we

01:20:20.840 would have basically walked into a trap this spring at the annual general meeting and and all

01:20:26.820 would have been lost but now we have a support group and we brought new members in that are

01:20:31.880 excited about moving forward we're all united we don't have you know a problem of a house divided

01:20:39.800 we've got are you sure about that excited about building oh you know i'm you never know but but

01:20:46.720 it's looking good and we've structured as a non-profit where we're in a full board model now

01:20:51.480 like sorry guys we're all going public it doesn't matter people understand we can do this

01:20:56.160 independently with our rules and and how we structure and picking the right commissioners

01:21:00.500 like we've just had wonderful commissioners yeah i know i am proud of of them in that report they

01:21:06.840 did so like a lot of and but let's talk about this pressure on us to hold hands and all get along

01:21:14.540 we'll wait a second do you know what there are people that don't have the best interests of

01:21:20.340 freedom groups in mind and there are people that will put other interests like political interests

01:21:25.640 above those of a freedom group and in every group of people there are ones that are honest and

01:21:30.820 there are ones that are dishonest and when you discover ones that are dishonest you do not

01:21:36.300 partner with them any longer and you do not hold their hand and do not sing kumbaya so this

01:21:41.020 this attitude that there's a problem if if you have a problem well then any group that's long

01:21:49.060 standing is going to have a problem maybe god's cleaning house maybe the group's cleaning house

01:21:55.960 maybe we're in a revelation like what are we going to do when it becomes clear that our public

01:22:00.500 officials and other people in authority have not been honest with us and have not acted in our best

01:22:07.100 interest and perhaps have had other motives are we not going to hold them to account because if

01:22:12.560 we don't then we will never have an honest society but the only way you politicians should

01:22:19.040 be afraid of their citizens and you know anyone on the board of the college of physicians and

01:22:24.560 surgeons and like people in authority should be afraid of the citizens because the citizens are

01:22:29.400 holding them to account but they're not afraid and i think i think this is an opportunity for

01:22:36.520 us to just rethink that you know we have to understand that we're in a war and there's

01:22:41.700 going to be conflict and there's going to be just honest disagreements that i mean that's okay

01:22:47.400 and you know sometimes now yeah but the subversion that's that's a betrayal well this is a this isn't

01:22:57.840 a philosophical disagreement as they're spinning i'm sorry you're telling the world let's settle

01:23:02.700 it at a board meeting and you're you're stacked on the board yeah that's so so where are we going

01:23:08.120 to go from here though sean i mean like do we pick up the pieces we you've got a new board members

01:23:12.860 you're all on the same page does we go back to the drawing board start raising new funds and

01:23:18.240 begin again yeah so what so what i'm inviting everyone to do is so go to the national citizens

01:23:24.400 inquiry.ca slash social subscribe to all of our new social media nci canada also

01:23:34.600 we have a newsletter now a lot of your viewers will have already given us their email address

01:23:41.140 but we're transitioning to a different email platform and the law is you know you have to

01:23:46.620 get people to resubscribe so please resubscribe and we will take you off the old one where

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01:24:04.680 know tweet out what we do and and i'm not a social media guy um shadow i think like what there's 8

01:24:11.800 billion of us and 13 of us don't have cell phones and i'm one of the 13 so um you guys that know

01:24:21.220 social media you know what to do to to push things out and um and don't don't um don't honor those

01:24:29.420 that are not not acting as well as they should be acting i agree is there anything that that else

01:24:38.260 else we need to mention john or are we good for now and and if we are going to go ahead and uh

01:24:44.940 and move forward with new hearings and everything please let me know and i will try to get everybody

01:24:52.640 on board we are we actually put out a notice earlier this week so shadow we we are going to

01:24:58.600 hold hearings in spring likely in regina but don't hold me to that and then we're going to hold

01:25:05.960 hearings in summer and then we're going to hold a set of hearings in fall but we're going to

01:25:10.960 actually be putting out a survey asking people what do you want to hold this have us hold hearings

01:25:15.680 in and we're going to structure um we're hoping like a year from now we'll actually be holding

01:25:22.500 hearings on different things at the same time like maybe not obviously not the same days we'll try

01:25:28.680 but maybe have a couple of sets of commissioners in parallel hearings like we want to become

01:25:34.000 a truly independent citizen-run inquiry

01:25:40.020 that will look into everything that is of concern to the citizens.

01:25:45.040 So, you know, not to grind an axe, to hear all sides,

01:25:49.900 but just to get to the bottom so that people can make a decision

01:25:54.120 based on what, you know, what people say under oath.

01:26:00.100 sean thank you for taking the time to come on with us tonight and telling us all of this stuff

01:26:06.300 uh people are rightly outraged i'm sure you you may read the comments later on on this

01:26:11.500 but that but we need to rein that in too like i mean that

01:26:15.460 you don't honor people that aren't that you shouldn't and and clearly we want to get our

01:26:24.000 social media channels and go forward but i would say it's a beautiful thing if they truly did want

01:26:29.580 to push the commissioner's report and anyone else that wants to organize groups to do that

01:26:34.220 that's a wonderful thing and again all 11 were needed to get us here so i'm really grieved and

01:26:42.380 unhappy but like we have to we have to hold people to account absolutely but we don't get angry about

01:26:49.440 it all right man thank you for coming on tonight and if there's anything we can ever do for you

01:26:55.140 again just let me know and we'll be there shadow thank you for having me on your show i so respect

01:27:00.080 what you do and you know i don't think people understand how much you work and just the

01:27:04.840 commitment so thank you for what you do because if it wasn't for people like you none of us would

01:27:10.180 know what's going on thank you sean talk to you again soon yep thanks okay there is sean buckley

01:27:16.200 national citizens inquiry and i say again the real national citizens inquiry i can't even believe

01:27:24.180 what's happened and you know this is something that i was talking about in that walk and talk

01:27:31.900 i did this afternoon about how we need to remain vigilant at all times even if we believe we're

01:27:40.320 dealing with people that can be trusted i hate to say that because that means then we're going

01:27:45.660 to be peering around every hedge every bush we're never ever going to take anybody at their word

01:27:51.500 without a cavity search i think maybe it's discernment at this stage of the game

01:27:59.400 we have to use the power of our discernment and don't let anybody get too close until

01:28:07.120 they've proven to you and again sadly we have to keep our guard up

01:28:12.240 all right guys uh let me show you this real quick before we move to the website only shadow davis

01:28:20.140 dot com for the extension yes i still have more things to talk about like bell media announcing

01:28:26.300 uh selling i'm what 48 radio stations and cutting 10 of their staff and whining that it's the

01:28:33.080 government's fault we're going to cover that in just a second and also a couple of interesting

01:28:38.300 libs of tiktok videos oh yes and tucker carlson has put up his interview with vladimir putin that

01:28:44.660 is all coming up let me show you this coming up on saturday march the 9th in swift current we're

01:28:49.560 doing a fundraiser for uh chris barber's legal fees the guy is spending upwards well i don't

01:28:58.240 want to talk about how much but it's well into the six figures just for this lawfare scam the

01:29:04.520 government is running for fraud charges not fraud uh mischief not fraud mischief charges

01:29:11.280 no no no no no no there's no fraud here uh mischief right so coming up on saturday march

01:29:17.860 night at the Palliser Pavilion in Swift Current. I will be there along with Chris. Tamara Leach is

01:29:23.260 going to be there and Eva Chipiak is going to be there. So Tamara is going to perform live with

01:29:27.960 the band Blind Monday. We have to say this, legal counsel, because of conditions, legal counsel

01:29:35.040 will be present throughout the event that night. If you can believe that we actually have to say

01:29:41.020 that but we do so hopefully we'll see you there go to eventprite.ca slash e slash canadian voices

01:29:52.060 showcase to buy your tickets i was talking to the organizer of the event just this afternoon

01:29:58.120 and she tells me they're already halfway sold out and we only just announced this a few days ago so

01:30:03.000 if you're in the swift current area or within eight hours drive in any direction you might

01:30:08.100 want to get your tickets before they're all gone all right that is it for the social media portion

01:30:14.060 of the show tonight guys we'll be back with the extension on shadow davis.com in just a second

01:30:19.960 for those of you leaving the show right now i love you all i appreciate you all and i will catch you

01:30:24.860 tomorrow night at eight o'clock central for another shadow at night live stream for you all

01:30:28.700 access members at shadow davis.com we'll be back in two minutes i'll see you soon

01:30:38.100 We'll be right back.

The Shadoe Davis Show - February 09, 2024

Shadoe at Nite Thurs Feb. 8th⧸2024 w⧸Special Guest Shawn Buckley of the National Citizen's Inquiry

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