00:13:34.880So I spent a large part of my life recovering from that.
00:13:39.600And that led me to natural medicine and not trusting vaccines.
00:13:43.240So when Trudeau, I believe it was like April 2020, it was in the very beginning of the pandemic, Trudeau got up at the podium and said, you know, there will be no new normal until there's a vaccine.
00:13:56.960But for me, I wasn't going to take a vaccine, period.
00:14:22.900So, knowing what you knew, and being probably one of the only ones at the time,
00:14:29.440and I know that our group was significantly smaller then than it is today,
00:14:33.660how difficult was it for you to get more and more people on board with what you were doing?
00:14:38.860uh well the movement grew i was there in the very beginning and it was it just organically grew
00:14:45.660um in the beginning you know doug ford in ontario was calling us the yahoos down at queen's park
00:14:52.020we were there every weekend and uh it actually happened i got i made a post on facebook that
00:14:58.680got removed by facebook this was the beginning of the censorship and for 10 years of me talking
00:15:04.280about vaccine vaccine you know education history awareness i had never been banned so i had a post
00:15:11.100that was banned and i said okay you're gonna you're gonna censor me online i'm gonna take this to the
00:15:16.460streets and i just figured out where the closest protest was and that was toronto and then we just
00:15:21.540met as a group and that group just grew and grew and grew and together it became the movement you
00:15:26.600know how big was that group at its peak oh well we this was in early uh or late 2020 early 2021
00:15:35.300i mean we were in and a lot of people don't even know this we were in ottawa with uh again these
00:15:41.820numbers get conflated and sort of misrepresented but i think it was close to 10 000 people this
00:15:48.060was this was yeah and this was back in 2020 so we had in ottawa the first protest in ottawa um
00:15:54.580and in toronto we had anywhere from a thousand to five thousand at the peak give or take depending
00:16:01.340any on any given weekend so when did when did the cops start getting more involved with what you
00:16:07.380were doing because obviously you guys were in the street you were peaceful there was
00:16:10.760there may have been one or two yahoos as doug ford said as there are in any large gathering i mean we
00:16:17.340had them here in winnipeg i know there was some in calgary and edmonton all all the major cities
00:16:21.460across the country um and and i remember talking to some of these guys and they're like way out
00:16:27.220there right but they're attracted to any large crowd it doesn't matter what the large crowd has
00:16:32.200been assembled for they just are attracted to it um so of course the media is going to put those
00:16:39.180people in your group and maybe some of them get a little loud and maybe some of them look a little
00:16:43.300funny but it was mostly peaceful right like there was this peaceful people walking on the streets
00:16:48.320carrying signs maybe yelling a little bit but so what right yeah and at a time when i mean
00:16:53.840humanity was at attack and and you know they were attacking our our connections uh it was it was
00:17:00.980beyond happy it was a feeling that we all shared of you know like it was just amazing it was it
00:17:08.960was truly it was like for some of us it was what kept us going just having that one day to be
00:17:13.420normal with normal people because remember this was this was in the beginning so everyone
00:17:18.000everyone was weird at that time so um but yeah we got painted as yahoos and of course they've
00:17:24.480always you know if there was one person in the bunch the cameras would focus on them
00:17:28.300but uh that's what they do right so when did the cops start taking an interest in what you guys
00:17:35.020were doing it was late 2020 so i think it was like december into into january 2021 that's so
00:17:43.580you guys had been doing this for a few months before the cops ever really came around in a
00:17:47.640serious way yeah yeah yeah almost a year almost a year yeah okay and uh and no and they were i mean
00:17:54.480they did their thing they had their surveillance trucks and they were getting our pictures and
00:17:58.080they were doing all that but they were being helpful and they were blocking the roads for us
00:18:02.800every weekend and uh with the exception of some little things here and there they were good and
00:18:07.760then yeah and then the the word came down from up above to start cracking down on people who they
00:18:13.680decided were organizers. And that's when you saw the rollout of these criminal charges that I got
00:18:20.100charged with. I got two charges criminally of common nuisance, but a number of people, Lamont
00:18:25.660Daggle, Kellyanne Wolfe, our friend Dave Freedom, we all got these criminal charges. Basically,
00:18:32.200anyone who was making a difference, anyone who was an influence in the movement, and especially
00:18:39.320the ones who are in uh more of the leadership roles we were the ones who got focused on because
00:18:46.320the cops were there just like they were here undercover probably walking through the crowd
00:18:51.440taking pictures taking video and noticing exactly who was on the stage who may have been hurting
00:18:57.380people in a certain direction and all of that and you were one like you said they were they were in
00:19:02.040our in our groups and in our telegram groups and when you get to see some of this disclosure you
00:19:06.920see that you see that in reality you see that you know that they were infiltrating our movement and
00:19:12.080we didn't even understand yeah i saw that as well in my court case last year which was hilarious
00:19:17.820i'm sitting there by myself and i had two tickets right and i'm sitting there by myself and these
00:19:23.020four manitoba justice officers walk in and they're getting set to testify like it's some big serious
00:19:29.200thing and and the plexiglass was still up it was like being in some stupid weird crazy movie
00:19:36.680it was the dumbest thing i had ever seen and i admitted to everything i said yeah i was there
00:19:42.980yes i was speaking on the microphone yes i was not wearing a mask and i hugged somebody
00:19:49.080oh the humanity right right it's absolutely ridiculous but let's get back to your situation
00:19:54.300you just said that the word came down from up above what do you mean by that um those are you
00:20:02.000know the the powers that be the the the shadow entities um that i mean just look at what happened
00:20:09.180with covid never in the history of mankind has the entire world followed in lockstep not only
00:20:16.380just together we followed china we fall from the world health organization so that that type of
00:20:21.920stuff never happened before so to think that there aren't shadow entities that are directing what's
00:20:28.840going on and from every literally every aspect of covid uh you'd be kind of you i'm afraid to say
00:20:35.380you'd be naive if you didn't see that you know right right but talking about on this level here
00:20:41.020we're talking about on a local level where the cops are coming around and they're identifying
00:20:44.520you guys when you say above are we talking about the chief of police are we talking about the mayor
00:20:50.180are we talking about a an mla are we talking about yeah the premier himself doug ford i'm sure if
00:20:57.800there are multi-levels. What I saw and what I've seen from talking to other people is coming from
00:21:02.160the Crown. It seems to be coming from the Crown prosecutors down to, and probably to the chief
00:21:07.060of police. And then it trickles down, you know, they say hoop rolls downhill, right? So it's
00:21:12.360starting somewhere. It does seem like the Crown is involved, which they shouldn't be. And we've
00:21:20.100seen that in some other cases. So you get these charges, common nuisance, which are a lot more
00:21:26.280serious than it sounds what happened after that uh it began the process i i was i was so just to
00:21:36.100give you and your viewers a little background i was first charged in niagara falls uh with
00:21:41.500common nuisance i was invited as a guest at a protest on um i can't remember the date right
00:21:48.980now april 19th i think 2021 around there one was in april one was in may so i was invited i was uh
00:21:55.960I was invited as a guest by the organizer. I came, I spoke, I spoke along Maxi alongside Maxine
00:22:01.820Bernier, uh, some local celebrities. And, uh, it was amazing, patriotic, uh, amazing day. And then
00:22:09.940I was arrested in my driveway a couple of days later and charged with common nuisance with that
00:22:15.320charge of common nuisance came, uh, bail conditions because it's a criminal charge. I had to be, uh,
00:22:21.220released on whatever it's called, a Form 11. I had bail conditions I had to adhere to.
00:22:25.720This is where it gets funny. The bail conditions they gave me, okay, so the first set, they
00:22:31.500prevented me from using, possessing a microphone or a megaphone. So I was charged criminally for
00:22:38.080endangering the lives of the public, and the bail conditions that the Crown and the police gave me
00:22:44.340essentially prevented me from speaking, which is strange. A week or two, I think it was actually
00:22:50.240three weeks later i was invited to another protest and i went and i spoke again as a guest
00:22:55.640and i was charged again i was charged again with with common nuisance and i was given bail
00:23:02.260conditions a new set of bail conditions they changed one thing they increased the b so i
00:23:07.800can't possess a microphone to now i couldn't be within 50 meters of amplified sound
00:23:14.840you can't make this up so that's how they got me you know and they say oh they're trying to
00:23:22.360silence us yeah what is what is that if not silencing me they didn't allow me to be within
00:23:28.68050 meters of anything capable of amplifying my voice anything so i couldn't be within 50 meters
00:23:36.060of a cop car because technically they have you know a pa and this is to show you right okay this
00:23:42.920just to show you this is and this is this is what they did to me so i couldn't be within 50 meters
00:23:48.480of amplified sound a few weeks later there was a vaccine pop-up clinic in toronto okay this was
00:23:54.600something that the toronto public health uh had had rolled out and what they were doing is they
00:24:00.140were luring and it was they were promoting it they had an advertisement promoting the uh the vaccine
00:24:05.680the covid vaccine to uh anyone under the age or anyone over the age of 13 with or without their
00:24:12.520parents' consent. Okay. I went to that vaccine pop-up clinic in, I think it was in 8th and
00:24:17.940Phillips Square in Toronto. And because there were other people there with megaphones, I got arrested
00:24:24.740a third time and charged with failing to abide by my bail conditions. Because I went to a vaccine
00:24:31.940pop-up clinic and there were other people there with megaphones within 50 meters of me. Third
00:24:38.540criminal charge let me ask you when i mean three arrests and the first one they're waiting for you
00:24:47.420in your driveway and then this one here what were the cops like were they the same cops or were they
00:24:52.140different ones every time uh different ones different there were some players that i saw i
00:24:57.420mean i it was in the niagara region so it's a fairly small region so they were uh they were
00:25:02.860different arresting officers uh their demeanor i actually i posted a video of it um they wouldn't
00:25:09.960look me in the eyes they were masked and they were um they weren't able to look me in the eyes
00:25:16.040which i think says a lot you know what do you think it says i've got my own ideas but what
00:25:22.840do you think it says i was just doing my job i think that's what it says to me they're ashamed
00:25:30.360yeah they're doing they're doing i believe they're doing what they're what they're told
00:25:35.220and they may not like it but uh like so many other people in so many other positions they
00:25:41.100were put in that position and they had a choice that what you know do i do this or do i quit my
00:25:47.180job and have to find a new career for my whole family it's it's uh that's what i felt anyways
00:25:53.240and and especially as this progressed i could see that more with some officers and not at all with
00:25:59.640others you know it's interesting if we just take a break from the story for a second if we go back
00:26:05.460to that time and we have the majority of police let's say it's not how it was but let's just say
00:26:13.300it was like this and the majority of police say i'm not doing that that's it it's over it's game
00:26:20.000over or if if all of the businesses you know acted and stood up like uh adam skelly is it adam skelly
00:26:28.420skelly's barbecue yeah i mean if everybody did that what are they going to do arrest everybody
00:26:33.460exactly and i'll tell you what they they this was actually like three days before the protest in
00:26:38.660april uh the the that this was in ontario they they they rolled out the what was called the stay
00:26:44.580at home order so we were literally told to just stay at home and not leave unless you need to
00:26:49.380eat you know unless there's a couple exceptions where they said you could go outside and uh and
00:26:55.220And I forget who it was, somebody in the provincial government got on the news and was saying, you know, the police will now have power to stop and basically, you know, show me your papers.
00:27:06.660Where are you going? What are you doing? And all of the regional police in Ontario, all of them, I think almost every single one of them said we will not do that.
00:27:15.060So they did. They did show some pushback, you know, and we saw these little glimmers of hope within the police.
00:27:22.040But by and large, like you said, well, we all know how that rolled out, you know.
00:27:27.780So let's get to how long did you have to wait, by the way, to get to court your first time between all of the charges that you got in your first court appearance?
00:28:45.560And that ended up it ended up me getting a warrant for my arrest because I had a bench warrant because I couldn't I couldn't make it to trial.
00:28:55.140So I had to basically wait until the vaccine mandate dropped so I could come back, get arrested and resubmitted into the system.
00:29:05.420so it so that's why it's taken from 2021 until until now did they understand that the authorities
00:29:12.580or did they add another charge they understood that they didn't they they just left it at that
00:29:19.080so when i was processed and rearrested i i didn't get any new charges they were nice on that one at
00:29:24.800least okay so i guess at this point we need to talk about our friend dave freedom and i i have
00:29:32.220been trying to get dave to come on the show uh had a conversation with him this afternoon great guy
00:29:38.680you know knows so much about the legal system in canada i don't want to call it the justice system
00:29:45.960because there's not a lot of justice these days we call it the legal system this guy is is so
00:29:49.900steeped in knowledge about even the minutia uh of it and has it been how long have you known him
00:29:56.560first of all uh since those early days in toronto since those early days and he was there he was
00:30:03.100but you've gotten to know him fairly well uh yeah i mean through the through the movement you know i
00:30:09.500saw him every weekend and we were uh we were cordial uh but it was really when when i was
00:30:14.660going through this he reached out to me and um sort of took me under his wing and like i was
00:30:21.060saying to you earlier before the show like i would not be here without dave uh i absolutely
00:30:26.320owe everything i owe uh our one not guilty to him i owe everything to him because i wouldn't
00:30:32.040have been able to do it without him it's uh it's it's really overwhelming uh to when you look at
00:30:39.380like big picture there's but when you just get and especially with someone that's such a good
00:30:43.540teacher like he is uh such a so so patient with me and to to explain these things because they're
00:30:50.020really not that complex. You know, people view self-representing as this. I mean, I heard it
00:30:55.660from many of my friends and my family. You know, you're crazy. What do you do? This is a criminal
00:30:59.780trial. You are crazy. But when you get into it and you really, it's like anything, right? You
00:31:06.140have to follow the instructions, play their game in their sandbox. And it's been great. And I owe
00:31:14.900it all to Dave. Was Dave allowed to be in the courtroom with you? We never did that. I've just
00:31:21.560self-represented the whole time and he's been on the back. So when I'm in trial, he's there on my
00:31:27.420phone and we're corresponding as I'm doing the trial. I thought maybe he's sitting in the back
00:31:32.420giving you hand signals or something. What about the nerves? And the reason I ask this, I mean,
00:31:39.240you're self-representing and you're doing it in front of crown attorneys and a judge who's steeped
00:31:44.140in legal knowledge. It's got to be intimidating. I know I was intimidated when I went to court
00:31:49.380on two stupid tickets. And so you've got to get up, you've got to cross-examine,
00:31:55.400you've got to question your own witnesses. How do you even know how to do this? And how do you
00:32:02.820know when to object? I mean, how is it that you can do this? Well, you look down your phone and
00:32:08.640you see dave going object object object object object okay i object no it's uh i've learned a
00:32:15.720lot too i've learned a lot so i think that i've really uh you know pushed myself into this and
00:32:21.080just i can do it i i for a living i'm i'm a sales rep so i can i can talk and i can deal with
00:32:29.340pressure fairly well i the biggest part for me was just getting emotional not not necessarily
00:32:34.920anxiety just just because it's it's such bullshit you know and uh and i was wrong and uh just trying
00:32:42.080to prove your innocence you know they say you're innocent until proven guilty and then you get put
00:32:47.180into this justice system and you find out the opposite is the truth you have to defend your
00:32:52.560innocence tooth and nail you know yeah it's crazy so you got yourself a not guilty take us through
00:33:00.100this because dave has been saying publicly for the last week or so even made a video about it
00:33:06.020that your case is this upcoming one now not the ones that you've already been through
00:33:12.160but the upcoming one this appeal i believe from the the crown is the most important case
00:33:18.780in canada because they're using this as a test balloon to make common bylaw infractions actual
00:33:25.120criminal offenses yeah yeah and and you couldn't have said it better that is that is a perfect
00:33:31.940synopsis of of the gravity of this that's exactly what's going on uh so just just to clarify so you
00:33:38.240understand i have two so i two trials same charge first one not guilty second one guilty it was the
00:33:46.940same circumstances two different judges and if you read the um the rulings which are both available
00:33:53.020uncannily it is a tale of two judges it's it's you can you can see in in plain and black and
00:33:59.100white the difference between you know an impartial unbiased logical ruling and an opinion piece
00:34:07.000from someone again who uh is very bold in the way it's it's it's you know and and so for that
00:34:15.000reason we have excellent grounds for appeal so but what what i have is i have the crown appealing
00:34:20.080my not guilty verdict and we are appealing my guilty verdict. So now two separate, I just did
00:34:27.640two trials. Now I have to do two separate appeal trials. Both of them are equally important. And
00:34:32.800for the reasons that you mentioned earlier, what the Crown's position here is that when anyone
00:34:39.300breaks a rule, whether that be a bylaw or a provincial regulation, anytime there's a rule
00:34:46.860for the greater good we stay at home um you know don't drive more than 15 minutes outside your city
00:34:54.260uh anytime there's anything like that where it's the greater good and you violate that rule this
00:35:00.120case law will be used by the crown to justify a criminal conviction against you that is so
00:35:10.600dangerous and it's so insane that that because as as dave said in the video there's case law
00:35:16.380Supreme Court of Canada, R v. Sharma, 1993, that states they cannot do that. You cannot escalate
00:35:23.800a bylaw infraction into a criminal charge. And that's what the Crown wants. That's what he wants
00:35:30.100the law to reflect. And for some people, and I'm sure many of your viewers, I see a lot of them
00:35:35.420got excited. We were talking about law tonight. I learned a lot throughout this process. And the
00:35:40.080biggest lesson that I've learned, the biggest realization is how case law changes everything.
00:35:46.440It is used in these trials. It is used when you say, you know, how's basically case law is what
00:35:54.780they use to justify their illegally charging you. So when they have case law that they can reference,
00:36:02.240they're going to go to it right away. And that's why we saw it because in my two trials, my first
00:36:07.360was not guilty my second was guilty the second one got uploaded into canly immediately we had
00:36:14.580to request the first one which was from two weeks before to be uploaded to canly the reason they
00:36:19.740wanted into canly so quickly is because they want this case law that's right that's exactly what's
00:36:26.080going on here what i wanted to ask you and i think you just answered it but maybe you can elaborate
00:36:30.820a bit your first case came back not guilty that establishes case law yeah go back to you go back
00:36:38.340for the second case which is the exact or sorry second trial which is the exact same charges as
00:36:43.360the first you've got case law in place yeah so you can revert to that unless it was not uploaded
00:36:49.500to canley in time it went uh we did because well it wasn't on can in canley yet but what we did is
00:36:55.580we revised our Book of Authorities. It's a factum. So basically, it's like your written
00:37:01.740submissions, your written arguments. We sent an updated version to the judge with the new
00:37:08.980case law in it. So basically, we put him on notice that this just happened in case he missed it or
00:37:14.720in case, you know, for any reason. And essentially, in this judge's verdict, he just says he
00:37:20.180disagrees. He disagrees with case law. And that's why, again, we have excellent grounds for appeal.
00:37:25.580Right. So who's got the better chances of, like, what if you win one of these appeals and lose one of these appeals?
00:37:34.760You've got to win them both. You've got to sweep this, right?
00:37:37.120I thought about that today, Shadow. I was literally thinking about that.
00:37:40.500What if they just sweep? I don't know.
00:37:44.400Dave might even be a better person to answer that question as to, like, the next steps and how that gets sorted.
00:37:50.020Because you're right, they would just cancel each other out.
00:37:52.220But this is a perfect, this is like putting a spotlight on our justice system in a nutshell.
00:38:11.540So it goes provincial court, then it goes court of appeal, and then the Supreme Court of the province, right?
00:38:17.120So the Supreme Court of Ontario will hear this.
00:38:19.420if i would imagine you will appeal if you lose one of these two cases coming up and then it goes
00:38:25.880up to the tip top and then maybe to the supreme court like would you be willing to take this to
00:38:31.140the supreme court of canada if you have that opportunity oh yeah yeah absolutely man absolutely
00:38:36.520and listen we haven't got to this yet but i could have taken a plea deal i could have the crown
00:38:42.600tried to scare the daylight out of me. This is what they do. He's saying that they're going to
00:38:51.360go for full conviction, two years in jail. And he offered me the plea deal. So I could have taken
00:38:56.660the easy route. I could have at any stage thrown in the towel. And I've said this to other people,
00:39:03.020and I'll say it again for your viewers. I didn't do all that I did and said all that I did back
00:39:08.060in the beginning just to take a plea deal right that makes no sense that's not that's not protesting
00:39:14.580that's not freedom fighting um so no i'm going to take it to the end and for me at this point now
00:39:20.240like i said i've been living in mexico i have a beautiful life out here this is i'm doing this
00:39:26.480and dave just like dave freedom we're doing this uh in service of all canadians it's in service of
00:39:32.880the children the innocent children who are going to inherit this mess you know the adults well
00:39:37.720we're kind of all part of this you know we could kind of all be blamed for this mess but the kids
00:39:42.420that are going to inherit this case law that's who i'm doing this for period i don't care about
00:39:49.480myself i don't care if i'm found guilty i'm oh i'm a common nuisance like you said right it's not
00:39:55.460about that it's really and it's not about the fine that comes with that i don't care about any of that
00:39:59.660It's about defending this, defending our right to peaceful assemble, our right to, you know, to to have dissent and and and all of these things that are discussed in, you know, in our movement.
00:40:25.400I mean, what about your friends and family back home?
00:40:28.840did you lose a lot of them along the way is it the same story because i know that i've heard that
00:40:33.820story i don't know how many times and i'm i count myself among them uh it's like we're living
00:40:38.720different lives now completely different from what they were three maybe four years ago
00:40:42.300yeah uh no i was blessed by god with an amazing family uh and we have remained strong as ever
00:40:51.740throughout all of this uh we may not all see eye to eye but through love we we stay connected and
00:40:58.060And in hindsight, now coming through all of it, a lot of my family members are starting to realize, oh, you know, maybe Cullen wasn't so crazy.
00:41:06.540You know, and now that they're seeing what's happening to me, they're saying, well, this is this is wrong.
00:41:10.500Right. And even some of my most liberal family members are switching, so to speak.
00:41:17.300How has it affected me? It's affected me immensely, you know, emotionally, mentally.
00:41:22.760um okay i i can't even describe it uh it even though even though like i said you know we're
00:41:31.980going through it step by step and you know i'm not i'm not nervous or anything i'm not scared
00:41:36.340it's stressful and it's taken so much of my time and just every time now every time i get an email
00:41:42.140i i assume it's the crown uh you know doing something uh and that's got me on these you know
00:41:49.680sort of uh walking on eggshells feeling and what what's worse than any of that is i haven't been
00:41:54.980able to to move on with my life you know i've had this dragging me down i i and you know a lot of
00:42:02.140people have even within the movement started new you know new adventures in their life and they've
00:42:09.000been able to just kind of let go of covid and and move forward i've had this shit dragging me down
00:42:13.840you know so that's been hugely impactful on my life in a negative way how much does it cost you
00:42:19.660uh well i've been self-representing so just not that much i mean as far as monetary it's it's
00:42:26.800been a couple flights back and forth a couple trips but you still have to make filings you
00:42:31.880there's still certain things that you have to do and there's the cost of the court i'm not sure if
00:42:35.800you've had to bear any of that yet yeah no we we did a fundraiser for the first we had to we had
00:42:41.820to get transcripts for the first trial and um we had a fundraiser so we got some help from everyone
00:42:47.420on that and um that's probably a good segue to to bring up we have a fundraiser right now
00:42:52.300for these two appeals and um and that's going to help for the both the transcripts so when you when
00:42:59.280you when you when you do an appeal you have to order the transcripts and the transcripts are
00:43:04.800basically done by a third party it's uh something you have to pay for and also what we're what we
00:43:10.160need for this for these two appeals although we've been doing it ourselves and we've been doing it
00:43:15.020we've been doing the best we can. I think, and Dave agrees, we owe it to all of Canada to file
00:43:23.660professional factums with these two appeals. So we have this fundraiser. We've had it up for a few
00:43:30.540days. It's not getting too much traction. I was really hoping that this would help because like
00:43:36.920I just said earlier, this isn't for me. I'm not doing any of this for me. And any donations that
00:43:43.580anyone can make are going to go directly to benefiting all of canadians you know colin
00:43:49.980where can we find the fundraiser i'll put it up on the screen uh what is it i i can send it to you
00:43:55.820in the in the private chat okay i don't know if you can flip back and forth but i can't send it
00:44:01.260to you yeah all right so and and also just uh check out dave freedom for your viewers check
00:44:06.460out dave freedom on facebook uh dave freedom pretty easy name to remember uh it'll be a guy
00:44:12.300wearing a vest, I think pulling a wagon, and he'll also have it posted on his Facebook.
00:44:18.520Okay, I'm going to throw this up here real quick for the viewers. So here it is. This is on
00:44:23.520fundraiser. So as you can see, it's spelled F-U-N-D-R-A-Z-R.com. And I noticed, and this
00:44:31.480is something I hadn't brought up yet, and Dave brought this up on the phone this afternoon,
00:44:36.480the Crown Attorney or the Assistant Crown Attorney who has been involved in this, his name is Michael
00:44:41.640lucifora so if we're talking about a battle between good and evil here if we're talking
00:44:48.800about a battle between right and wrong having that name it's probably pretty symbolic wouldn't
00:44:55.660you say yeah no it's just a coincidence of course just a big coincidence i know i know uh you can't
00:45:03.900make this stuff up right you really can't uh what does it cost cullen what is it what does it cost
00:45:08.740to get these transcripts is it like a thousand dollars is it more than that yeah it's all it
00:45:14.080they go by by the hour so they get the recordings and they type it out uh for what we need uh it's
00:45:20.520fourteen hundred dollars and then and uh and then the legal fee so we've actually we've been talking
00:45:28.020to a few lawyers and uh through through the movement we've been offered some really good uh
00:45:32.760deals. So typically to do a factum for a criminal appeal, you're looking at minimum like $25,000.
00:45:41.240And as you can see, our total with the transcriptions and the lawyer fees is $9,500.
00:45:49.480That's what we're looking to get. That's all we're going to need to file professionally crafted
00:45:54.540factums. And then I'm going to be self-representing. Again, the reason that we're doing that is because
00:45:59.880I want to keep control of this, right? And I don't want a lawyer to misrepresent what I want.
00:46:09.180And we feel that that's probably the best way to go. And a lot of these, really, a lot of these
00:46:14.920appeals, it's the written submissions that really matter. So it's the written factums that really
00:46:20.940kind of the judges rule on. So that's the most important part. Basically, I'm just going to be
00:46:26.460reading the fact of that as in trial that's what it colin do you trust lawyers
00:46:32.540no i mean no uh i don't trust them in the sense like do i trust doctors no does that mean that
00:46:42.480doctors or lawyers are untrustworthy no but the the system that they work for
00:46:46.980unfortunately the legal system uh it's it's set up like any other industry it's set up to keep
00:46:54.520itself going so every from the judges to the crown to these lawyers the bar all of it they are all
00:47:02.340an industry working together and you see it through the through the uh just going through
00:47:07.780the process i had like nine or ten pre-trials nobody knew what was going on it took me a year
00:47:14.240and a half to get my disclosure they waste time they bring up things last minute they adjourn
00:47:19.740things. They give you disclosure last minute. So you have to adjourn. The whole system is set up
00:47:25.600this way. And unfortunately, lawyers cannot, they can't buck the system. They just can't.
00:47:30.900If they want to keep their jobs, if they want to keep their license, they got to play
00:47:34.060by the rules. When you self-represent, you don't. And not only don't you have, you don't have to
00:47:39.600play by the rules. They have to legally give you more time and they have to let, give you that
00:47:44.780uh grace so to speak what's your opinion what's your opinion on some of on the lawyers who did
00:47:52.300come out speak out and do some work fighting some of these ridiculous cases we've got
00:47:59.080you know a handful i could mention right now there's keith wilson out of edmonton there's uh
00:48:04.300ava chipiak obviously uh leighton gray has done some work and then there was rocco galati but
00:48:09.800I've heard some things about Rocco in the last month or two that aren't exactly flattering.
00:48:17.640Yeah, well, to all those lawyers and even Rocco, God bless them and thank them for doing that.
00:48:24.740And it's the same thing, again, with the correlation with the nurses and doctors who stepped out.
00:48:33.660And I I I really, really do feel that there is good in this world.
00:48:40.400And we see that even in the in the judges, too.
00:48:43.940Right. Like, how did I get this good judge in this bad judge?
00:48:46.380Well, there's good lawyers and bad lawyers.
00:48:49.020And but what we saw, what we see a lot of is them just playing playing by the rules, taking the plea deals, making these little backdoor deals and not necessarily having the say the best interest of their client.
00:49:02.620and definitely not the best interest of all of canada you know would you say that you
00:49:08.060now i don't want to get in get you in trouble here get you any more charges
00:49:13.660so i'll try and put this delicately but there's only so delicate you can be with this one again
00:49:19.020have you seen corruption in the court system
00:49:23.340i i can't say that i can't say that i have personally i haven't seen it like if you're
00:49:33.440asking about with my with my cases uh no they the the thing is by playing there within their rules
00:49:41.300there's a lot of wiggle room for you know following the law but still technically you
00:49:46.600know not following the law but i haven't seen anything like that i could say flat out is you
00:50:03.040I don't even know what that is, to be honest with you.
00:50:05.400Well, judicial notice is a point in a court where a judge will liken something to the fact that it simply exists,
00:50:16.600like the sky is blue or water is wet, right?
00:50:18.940And so they were they were applying judicial notice to the covid vaccine that it was safe and effective.
00:50:25.380And that's why. Yeah, you couldn't argue it because.
00:50:29.280So with that, with that, that definition, I have seen that in my in the ruling that I was found guilty.
00:50:37.520The judge said that it basically it was it's an irrefutable fact that covid was a virulent, deadly virus that was taking over our world.
00:50:49.200Basically, that that would be you couldn't that that was a fact, an irrefutable fact of reality.
00:50:57.700You know, essentially, you couldn't have the view, for example, that viruses don't exist or, you know, the terrain theory, exosomes, these types of things.
00:51:06.980that's what that's what in the ruling of the judge that i was found guilty he did have that
00:51:11.800that view so he took the judicial notice it's interesting because i understand that there's
00:51:19.000an edict that came down right from the supreme court of canada and the minister of justice at
00:51:22.780the time david lametti through all the courts across the country they were to take judicial
00:51:27.120notice in matters of covet 19 vaccines masks all of the mandates and i'm surprised that that first
00:51:34.360judge didn't do that it's interesting he did the opposite so the opposite so when we're talking
00:51:41.220about judges can you how is it that you get assigned a certain judge i mean you've got a
00:51:49.340good one or you got a bad one is it just the luck of the draw or is there some sort of uh hearing
00:51:54.760where you guys can go and pick one or argue about who's going to be overseeing the case or you just
00:51:59.680get what you get um dave's got uh dave's gotten more experience with that i know uh i i from what
00:52:07.500i've seen uh there there there definitely appears to be and again this is my assumption but there
00:52:14.080appears to be a plan so when i for example when i went to trial uh i walked in on the first day
00:52:21.560and this was in person they forced me to go in person so i went there and i walked in and the
00:52:27.000first individual that i saw in the courthouse that morning after being there for an hour the first
00:52:32.380person i saw wearing a mask was the judge and so i was assigned this judge and he's the only judge
00:52:38.400he's the only person in the building this was just in uh october right so he was the only this past
00:52:44.740october no one was wearing masks except for him this one so i was like okay you know uh what are
00:52:50.440the chances of that screwed the judge is wearing a mask we've already lost that's probably what you
00:52:55.260were thinking. Exactly. And, uh, and, and when, whenever you, especially as a self-rep, whenever
00:53:01.040you throw a wrench in their, in their plan, they don't like it, but it, it, it really screws up
00:53:06.900everything. So when I did that, uh, I, uh, because of, uh, particulars in the case, I had to request
00:53:14.180an adjournment. And what happened was they switched judges the next day. The first day was
00:53:18.960kind of thrown out and, uh, and everything kind of like unraveled, but you still don't know,
00:53:24.580uh it it seems like they definitely have a plan though to answer your question
00:53:29.460and i don't know how that happens i've heard things of you know judge shopping and um
00:53:35.000you just don't get i don't anyway i don't get to peer into that side of it i can just make
00:53:41.560assumptions it just sounds like it's unfair like these guys can rig the game yeah yeah yep and you
00:53:49.600know when when they know each other when they don't you know the judges and the crown um and
00:53:54.540also just in the fact that they work in the same building summit and you know they see each other
00:53:59.120every day well they already have that personal bias too colin i'm gonna bring somebody okay so
00:54:04.900here is dave dave freedom has joined hey dave how's it going can't hear you buddy are you muted
01:01:15.620I caught a little bit what you were saying about, there was some confusion about, you know, how does one judge say not guilty and the other one say guilty?
01:01:24.360You know, so they started off at Ontario Court of Justice.
01:01:27.560So in the criminal courts, it's the lowest, you know, where you've got traffic ticket, of course, but then you've got Ontario Court of Justice, which is a lower court.
01:01:35.360So not a huge, huge bearing in terms of, you know, change the world case law.
01:01:42.140But once it gets to Superior Court and then even, obviously, Ontario Court of Appeals, then it's different.
01:01:48.480So let's say, you know, they bring back mandates for whatever in, you know, I don't know, climate change or 50-minute cities, new variant disease acts, whatever it is.
01:01:59.140You know, these people will be maliciously prosecuted through Ontario Court of Justice.
01:02:03.600So in theory, Michael Lucifora would then have a president set if he gets his way on this appeal in superior court. So automatically, as per common law in this country, that would have more bearing than another lower level Ontario Court of Justice.
01:02:22.060So it kind of cancels each other out, and that's how that judge could sort of sidestep and say, okay, I don't agree with my friends, so I'm going to say guilty.
01:02:30.780He wouldn't be able to do that, you know, in theory, with the way the law works in this country if he's going against a higher court.
01:02:38.480And the rule of thumb is the higher you go, the more significant it is.
01:02:42.980And basically how it works in the Interior Court of Justice, Superior Court, Interior Court of Appeals, Supreme Court of Canada.
01:02:48.120and so dave just just chime in so for for clarity for the viewers too and it because this case law
01:02:55.100is is a criminal matter to the criminal code common nuisance that could be applied to anyone
01:03:00.460in canada right absolutely any provincial regulation being violated in any province would
01:03:06.800go ahead because it's because yeah because so the criminal code of canada is a federally regulated
01:03:11.400instead of codes so it applies to manitoba bc uh ontario quebec whatever so uh it's uh it's it's
01:03:20.180a criminal charge and it's a completely different ball game than than these you know the rinky dink
01:03:24.400buy a lot tickets i mean they weren't rinky dink because we'd have people that were called you
01:03:28.020know they were part of the 880 club and that's how much the tickets cost the time in ontario
01:03:32.180i think they were different in each province but uh you know it's different because like colin said
01:03:37.560They can say, okay, well, just like myself, I mean, I was charged with the same thing Colin was, and that's kind of how I kind of got started into this.
01:03:44.860And I just dove headfirst because I, too, was maliciously prosecuted for a full year and had to go to court like a dozen different times and press you into taking deals.
01:03:55.500Eventually, they said, okay, just pay us $100 and we'll just go away, right?
01:04:07.560okay so i'm showing out the 880 club here that's what i was showing you guys there you go you guys
01:04:13.040got 880 in manitoba it was 1296 you guys got off uh pretty good let me ask you there's people
01:04:18.780people asking in um micheline by the way says love your guests shadow thank you these are good guys
01:04:26.020uh i have gotten some some comments tonight from people saying how come i haven't heard of cullen
01:04:31.920before how come i haven't heard of dave before now i've known about the two of you for a while
01:04:38.040dave longer than cullen but it's time that we get this story out there to as many people as we
01:04:44.820possibly can that's why i ask you guys who are watching this right now like and share get it
01:04:50.480out there that's how these things happen right if they can if we can get enough push behind them
01:04:55.980they can go viral and we can let the people of canada know what's going on you know and and
01:05:01.200I know that the coots guys got a lot of attention and that's absolutely deserved because I mean come on you're spending 700 plus days in jail without trial that's absolutely ridiculous but this is equally as frustrating you know in a different way and now what we've got coming up here are two possible precedent setting appeals cases that could affect every single person in this country so that's why I say you guys got to get this out to as many people as possible no matter what platform you're watching
01:05:31.080on yeah thank you guys and dave as for you i want you on the show uh one of these days just you and
01:05:36.840me we got to talk about stuff sure yeah and cullen i'm more than willing to have have you back uh
01:05:42.620anytime man because you're a good guy and you're standing up and we appreciate everything you have
01:05:48.020done and you too dave you guys are both rock stars as far as i'm concerned thank you well thank you
01:05:53.140very much for bringing attention to this this matter because it really is important and i can't
01:05:57.260it i'm not the kind of guy that says oh this is so important and it's just you know this really
01:06:02.160is important you know and and and uh there's no case like it in fact you know just uh i'll say
01:06:07.920one more thing when when we had trial just to give you an idea of how new this is this concept
01:06:13.540of arresting someone for for breaking a bylaw and just saying oh well there was a risk there's so
01:06:19.760you know again equivalent to if you're speeding one kilometer over on the highway that's technically
01:06:24.740putting people at risk is it not so it's the same kind of ridiculousness but they would use a case
01:06:28.920law from the early 90s about a guy who had who was hiv infected and he would intentionally
01:06:34.100donate his blood for the purpose of harming other human beings how can they can even how can they
01:06:39.620even think about conflating these two situations they're not at all the same precisely but that's
01:06:44.360and that was a case i think greenspun worked on in the early 90s it went to supreme court
01:06:49.560and um they're trying to basically say that colin had the same guilty mind as as this sicko
01:06:56.540basically back in the night that's all they had and another one they had was a guy that made a
01:07:01.000plea deal usually you don't see that uses case law plea deals you see usually decisions and rulings
01:07:05.400but they're so desperate that he used a plea deal of a common use in charge of someone that
01:07:10.340violated the quarantine act do you think do you guys think that these assistant crown attorneys
01:07:17.340know what they're really doing here or are they just doing what they're told
01:07:22.000my my opinion both you uh so the combination of some know exactly what they're doing
01:07:31.720uh some know what they're doing don't like it and very you know and very few actually just have no
01:07:38.940idea what they're doing i would say i mean they're setting a setting us on a very dangerous