00:02:17.960most of us it has been turned into choosing things to use. Sometimes I find
00:02:26.660this fun and sometimes I just want the algorithm to do it for me. It knows my
00:02:31.940tastes better than I do by now. Control your soul's desire for freedom it says.
00:02:37.720Any effort to succeed in delivering on the sustainable development goals. My biggest
00:02:42.260concern is all the people who do not live in our city, those we lost on the
00:02:46.340those who decided that it became too much all this technology those who felt
00:02:52.280obsolete and useless when robots and AI took over parts of our jobs I get annoyed
00:02:59.240about the fact that I have no real privacy nowhere I can go and not be
00:03:04.700registered I know that somewhere everything I do think and dream of is
00:03:10.700is recorded we want to be a very transparent organization well you know there's something
00:03:19.960interesting about klaus schwab saying that they have in fact been very transparent with all of
00:03:27.640their plans even the left-wing corporate media covers it now they don't cover it front page or
00:03:32.260anything but they do cover it they do tell us what their goals are and still if you say anything
00:03:40.500about it to a normie out there and i say that with the utmost of respect they will look at you like
00:03:47.480you've got three heads like you are in fact a conspiracy theorist which is a term we don't use
00:03:52.140on this show what we use is truth seekers so look for that docu-series coming soon to rebel news
00:03:58.920it's simply called uh the great reset okay guys i want to quickly go to the comments and say hello
00:04:05.160to some of the folks who are joining the show ted and susan and susie and b and joanne and rosanna
00:04:11.040and julianne angela steve how are things in calgary my friend we're missing you back home
00:04:16.860julianne anita rosemary rosanna nicole chuck hey chuck says he got his shirt and fridge magnet
00:04:26.420today. Thank you, Shadow and Jeff Stone. And speaking of shirts, we're going to be giving
00:04:30.160these away or this away, not this. This is my demo model. This is the one I show you
00:04:34.460guys every night. We're going to be giving this away tonight. You could be the lucky
00:04:38.460winner of a Patriot Series t-shirt from Tacit Investigations and Security. That's going
00:04:44.240to happen a little bit later on in the show. Now, guys, the reason I ask you to put your
00:04:48.440location in the comments when you're saying hello at the beginning of the show like this
00:04:51.800is because I get a lot of emails daily from people, let's say, in Portage La Prairie or Elbow, Saskatchewan or Consort, Alberta or Cranbrook, British Columbia.
00:05:05.260People wanting to know if there are other people like them in their communities who have formed groups and get together on the regular for town hall meetings or just backyard barbecues.
00:05:17.220so if you could go ahead and put down your location in the comments when you say hello right
00:05:23.920now at the beginning of the show that would be very appreciated and if you are looking for a
00:05:29.540group to join or just some new friends to make like-minded people go ahead and ask in the
00:05:35.740comments that's one of the things about this show it's not just a bunch of people who get together
00:05:40.420to watch me every night i'll tell you that right now it's about a community and this community goes
00:05:46.440all across the world obviously mostly in canada but we do have viewers in the united states we
00:05:52.000have viewers in australia we have viewers in europe and india even so go ahead and put your
00:05:59.580location down and if you're interested in meeting people like-minded people like yourself in your
00:06:06.800community go ahead and say that in the comments and i'm sure at least i'm hoping 99 sure that
00:06:12.300You'll get a response and you'll have a chance to meet somebody face to face, give them a big hug and and all of that.
00:06:19.620All right. We've got special guests on the show tonight, and this is actually pretty cool.
00:06:23.960Lee Vossen and Brandon Paradosky from Students Against Mandates.
00:06:27.640First of all, guys, thanks for joining the show tonight. Really appreciate you coming on.
00:06:31.360I've been meaning to have you for a while. And finally, we tracked you down.
00:06:34.920lee came and crashed a meeting i was having with wayne peters on saturday afternoon at the cork
00:06:41.300and flame on portage avenue you just walked in and said hey guys how's it going sat down
00:06:44.900i looked over at wayne and said who is this what are you doing i admire your courage there's not
00:06:54.320a lot of people that would just walk in sit down and say hey what's going on that took a lot of
00:06:58.480bravery most people have a problem well most people have a problem just walking into any kind
00:07:04.180establishment by themselves, never mind sitting down with a table full of strangers. Anyway,
00:07:09.020thanks, guys, for coming on to the show tonight. Please, which one of you is going to tell us all
00:07:13.120about Students Against Mandates? Well, we'll share that responsibility. But just to start off,
00:07:19.280my name is Lee Vossen. I'm a former Red River student, Red River College student. I'm a graphic
00:07:23.900designer, and I'm the president and founder of Students Against Mandates. Are you the one,
00:07:28.540Lee, that created the pamphlet here? I'm the one who created the pamphlet.
00:07:31.860that's a beautiful pamphlet it's amazing yeah it's very nice i'm brandon you i'm a current
00:07:39.120masters of science students at the u of m and lee and i sort of just bumped into each other
00:07:44.180and students against mandates took off so i actually didn't know lee before this
00:07:48.840and we sort of became friends through this so now this is this is just before the convoy took
00:07:56.040off for ottawa am i correct yeah it would have been like a couple months maybe two months before
00:08:00.680that um i was handing out flyers at a um at a protest and his mom came and grabbed one
00:08:06.280and nudged him into contacting me and then i brought him into the group so yeah i don't think
00:08:12.020of myself as an activist or anything like that but i just felt compelled to do something about
00:08:18.360it so yeah like before all this started you know guys i never thought of myself as an activist
00:08:23.220either or a protester or anything like that i just wanted to do a show that people could sit
00:08:30.120down and watch and enjoy and next thing you know all of this crazy stuff happened starting a couple
00:08:35.160of years ago even longer than a couple of years ago now so I'm glad you guys got together uh and
00:08:39.700and launched students against mandates how did you do it like did you click instantly or did you
00:08:46.020already have a group in place the group yeah I'll take this the group was already in place just to
00:08:50.720give some background information I was at Red River College I received an email saying that
00:08:55.760the mandates were going to be implemented no exemptions allowed and I just took issue with
00:08:59.980that so he sent an email to the to the president of the college and then several emails after that
00:09:05.460some voicemails as well never really got a proper answer he refused to meet with me so I thought I'm
00:09:10.720going to use my skills as a graphic designer and create an Instagram account I then started
00:09:14.720connecting with all these different students who felt the same way as me I had felt so isolated
00:09:18.560prior to starting that Instagram account and um I ended up just saying hey I don't know any of you
00:09:24.860guys but why don't you come over my house we'll do a potluck we'll get to know each other and then
00:09:28.660I started doing more and more events started with 10 people then 25 then 35 then 60 people
00:09:34.440um it just kept getting bigger and and we had telegram group chats and then I started planning
00:09:39.560protests um and then and then I kind of felt like we've reached a plateau and I still I don't want
00:09:47.240to just socialize I want to create meaningful change um so then I started meeting before just
00:09:52.060before I met Brandon I said you know we should sue the university and I got a group of students
00:09:56.160together and we were kind of game planning that and then when I met Brandon we kind of turned into
00:10:00.280more of a organization we came up with like department heads and and roles for everybody
00:10:05.540and give them that like um incentive and and sort of um to take initiative and and really use their
00:10:11.860skills in the way that I had to create meaningful change so it just grew from there and it's been a
00:10:17.560fun ride for sure. So you created an organization. That's fantastic. I mean, you know, there's not a
00:10:23.880lot of people out there who've got the gumption to do that. Considering the climate that we've
00:10:30.640been in these past couple of years and how it's evolved and how people who chose not to get the
00:10:36.080needle have become ostracized within society. So I guess it's good. The first thing would be,
00:10:42.520I guess it's good to get together with all those people as you say, the group got larger and larger
00:10:46.780and just be able to sit and talk about the frustrations is that what you guys did at first
00:10:51.780or did you take action immediately my my whole thing was to take my whole reason for doing the
00:10:58.020instagram and for contacting the school it was to take action my whole goal from the very beginning
00:11:02.920was this cannot happen and i want this to end um so my whole reason for having potlucks and
00:11:09.680bringing people together was i realized i couldn't do it by myself and i knew it needed to grow and
00:11:13.740I knew we needed to have students fighting back so I like I did you know interviews with Red River
00:11:20.220College News and stuff like that I was I was trying to get the message out there that this
00:11:24.160is wrong but I knew we needed to collect other students because one student's voice isn't
00:11:29.400powerful enough um it again it just got to a point where I started to feel like this is really just
00:11:34.880social occasions and I want people to to do something um so turning it into something where
00:11:42.020we had more of more roles. And, and so we, you know, we have a head of science, we have an HR
00:11:47.160department communications, we have a media manager, videographer, copywriter, like we have all these
00:11:51.380different roles, I don't know, like 20 some people in the group with dedicated roles, authors for
00:11:56.500blog posts, we have podcasters, and it's growing all the time. I just did an interview this morning
00:12:01.620with someone to bring them on as a researcher and blog author. And then I have two more interviews
00:12:07.220tomorrow for more members and it's across the country too we have people in Ontario and BC and
00:12:12.880it's just it's growing that's fantastic uh Brandon what's been your involvement you're the head of
00:12:18.940the science uh faction yeah so as Lee pointed out um I'm not really an activist this is not
00:12:27.480something I normally would have done but my mom sort of pushed me in this direction was like hey
00:12:31.880like contact students against mandates like you should get involved like you got to do something
00:12:37.000like I knew something was wrong I knew um the narrative wasn't making sense to me
00:12:43.040from a political or a scientific standpoint but I just wasn't the type to do something about it
00:12:49.400like I'd never make posts on my own social media or anything like that um for any sort of controversy
00:12:55.860and so I sort of got pushed in that direction and then when Lee and I had our first um initial
00:13:03.240zoom meeting I was like okay like we need to turn this we need to make this a lot more professional
00:13:08.240we need to be more dedicated we need to reach out to people we need to be more organized we need to
00:13:15.080start doing interviews and so we started interviewing like various professors across
00:13:20.620the country using my science background I was able to effectively communicate with
00:13:26.020various professors um Dr. Stephen Pellick at UBC a professor of biochemistry um we spoke to Dr.
00:13:34.240Julie Panessi and a couple other professors um and it sort of just starts snowballing
00:13:39.700and growing and now our Instagram has like close to 9,000 followers even with um the insane
00:13:46.820shadow banning that's going on right now great for a shadow ban that's fantastic yeah so what
00:13:53.240happened to you guys now what we need to know is because i've gotten emails from university of
00:13:59.000manitoba students i've gotten emails from university of alberta students and ubc and
00:14:04.380red river students a lot of red river students actually and they said shadow what can i do
00:14:09.220and this was before i think you guys had even formed your organization we're going back over
00:14:14.060a year now and i i was at a loss i had no idea what to tell these guys except maybe look for a
00:14:19.560lawyer and and start you know fighting back against these ridiculous mandates what exactly
00:14:24.660happened to unvaccinated students at universities were you guys de-certified as students like taken
00:14:31.480right off the rolls i'll speak about university of manitoba so late in august or maybe even july
00:14:38.940they were saying oh you can come on to campus like it's fine you don't need the vaccine whatever
00:14:44.160everyone can come onto campus um come probably a week or two before the fall term so maybe late
00:14:53.060august first week of september the university of manitoba puts out messaging saying you're going
00:14:59.320to need your first booster by like mid-october or you can't be on campus so whatever um they
00:15:07.240didn't really give students much time to switch so it's sort of this last second um mandate that
00:15:13.840didn't really give any students a chance to go somewhere else or go to a different institutions
00:15:17.900so sort of just corralled students into the University of Manitoba we all signed up and then
00:15:24.220this came about late because most students of course register for courses in July or even earlier
00:15:31.680and then come November they said you need your second shot and you need to upload proof of that
00:15:38.580or you're going to be essentially kicked off campus and deregistered at the same time there's
00:15:45.200also testing going on so for my graduate program I could go get tested and still show up on campus
00:15:52.360even though that's not something I wanted to do but whatever um but come January they quickly took
00:16:00.380away the testing option so no real rhyme or reason to remove testing doesn't really make sense so
00:16:08.340So they removed testing, then said, OK, if you don't upload proof of whatever the vaccination, you can't come on to campus.
00:16:16.820So I wasn't able to come on to campus starting January 18th.
00:16:22.180And students were also deregistered from their classes at this time.
00:16:28.280The only reason why I had to go in person is because I'm a graduate student and need to be in the lab.
00:16:33.680But all other classes like undergraduate classes were all online.
00:16:37.320And so for students who didn't upload proof of vaccination, they're actually being deregistered from classes they signed up for in the January term, despite it being online, because the University of Manitoba gave out messaging saying, oh, we're going to reevaluate the mandate or whatever come February and consider like we may go back in person, even though that's just not feasible to switch halfway through a term online to in person.
00:17:06.500And it was just not realistic, but they put this sort of pie in the sky goal in place saying, OK, we're going to reevaluate it.
00:17:14.060So everyone needs to be vaccinated. If you don't do this, you're going to be kicked out of all classes.
00:17:18.980And so people were deregistered from a class that was literally online that they could watch from home.
00:17:27.040So it makes no sense. Yeah, it makes literally zero sense.
00:17:31.340even if you're what was the mood on campus like brandon was was there a lot of people
00:17:36.220upset by this were they irked by this or were they just kind of zombie-like and going along
00:17:41.460with the program very zombie-like it's hard to really communicate with people with masks on so
00:17:47.080you can't really tell like how they're feeling and sort of the whole vibe like in that winter
00:17:52.600was pretty dark this was before the convoy so people weren't really openly talking about these
00:17:58.280issues at this time so it's more so just following the university blindly maybe more people disagreed
00:18:04.860like myself but no one really made that um well known to my knowledge at least in uh where I go
00:18:12.520but it just seemed like no one really wanted to stand up against this and yeah what is your
00:18:22.100scientific background brandon is it microbiology no actually it's um i have an honors degree in
00:18:28.460biochemistry and um i got funding to do my master's of science and immunology okay so you
00:18:35.020are fairly well versed in what's been going on yeah the past couple of years i mean we can say
00:18:42.420that you've been immersed in all of this knowledge and uh learning more and more and more on a daily
00:18:47.340basis, probably, because you seem like a curious guy and none of this stuff made any sense
00:19:16.960So one of the first things I would point people, even if they're very pro-vaccine, I would just say you haven't really been looked at the clinical trials.
00:19:25.700If you are pro-vaccine, that would be the first thing I would say.
00:19:30.060So if you go back to Pfizer's clinical trials, they had two arms.
00:19:34.500So placebo and those who received the vaccine, 20,000.
00:19:38.860And so in the average person's mind, when they hear that 95% efficacy, they're thinking, oh, like 95 people out of 100 won't die of COVID, 95 people out of 100 won't get severely ill.
00:19:52.240But rather they just took PCR positives, not even severe disease, not even death, and they took eight people in the vaccinated group out of 20,000 and then like 140 PCR positives out of the placebo group, divided that out and they're like, oh, look, this is 95% effective just based on testing positive.
00:20:16.740So if you told people this is 95% chance of not possibly testing positive, even though these numbers are so small and there's not much statistical significance to that, they'd probably say, shit on that, I'm not taking this.
00:20:33.060But they presented it in a way that people don't actually think about it.
00:20:36.120They think, oh, 95%, like that sounds amazing.
00:20:41.680Well, considering that the survival rate from the initial wave of the disease was like 99.8 percent,
00:20:48.580like, you know, one of the first things that that got me about this was the fact that the vaccine efficacy number was much lower than the actual survival rate of the virus.
00:20:58.420So I thought, why would I take a chance on an unproven serum and put this into my body when I've got a 99.6 or 99.8 chance of surviving it?
00:21:08.400If I get it, it just doesn't make any sense.
00:21:10.860Yeah, so one of the main things that you need to have is actually looking at severe disease or death. And their endpoint of their trial wasn't severe disease or death. It was just, as I said, PCR positive. That was it.
00:21:25.840And so actually, they still calculated the amount of people that died in the Pfizer-Moderna trials, just whether it was from COVID or from the vaccine or just died of whatever causes.
00:21:39.120So that's something you actually need to look at.
00:21:42.140Say if you save 10 people using the COVID vaccine, but you kill 20 from heart problems, well, you're not doing any good.
00:21:50.360You're not doing anybody any good because you're killing more.
00:21:55.360If you look under the microscope at one thing and ignore everything else, sure, you might think that you're doing good.
00:22:02.340But back to my point is if you look at those initial Pfizer clinical trials, more people died in the vaccinated group than in the placebo group.
00:22:11.880So that's one of the first things to keep in mind.
00:22:14.240All cause mortality, more people died in the vaccinated group than in the placebo group.
00:22:19.720So people might say, sure, okay, well, I already have it in my arm. What about the statistics now, like the Manitoba government statistics, Ontario government statistics? So the Pfizer trial was a randomized controlled trial. So that's the highest form of evidence we have.
00:22:37.780the lowest form of evidence we have is anecdotal evidence or expert evidence like someone going on
00:22:43.780the news and saying oh yeah this is great for you you should take it so that's the lowest form of
00:22:48.780evidence and that's the form of evidence people have been operating by but nonetheless the problem
00:22:54.600with using statistics now is because they can be confounded so you can have bias in the statistics
00:23:01.780such as oh this case or this death doesn't count within the first 14 days it's considered an
00:23:08.240unvaccinated case right you're not vaccinated until 14 days after the two shots right so what
00:23:15.440that does is that unrightfully lumps cases into the unvaccinated group when they're actually not
00:23:22.140an unvaccinated group it's someone who's taken two shots and is in a completely different scenario
00:23:27.240than someone who's taking no shots. Also, things like reporting when the vaccination status is
00:23:34.280unknown as unvaccinated also further wrongfully attributes statistics in the wrong direction.
00:23:41.040So you can skew statistics like this. You can skew deaths. You can also, here's another easy
00:23:48.180example of skewing statistics, is over the first year from 2020 to 2021, no one was vaccinated,
00:23:57.240right? So everyone was in the unvaccinated category. So all these deaths and cases were
00:24:02.820racking up in the unvaccinated category. And then when the vaccines come out, they go, look,
00:24:08.800all these people have already are dead in the unvaccinated category, and no one's dead in the
00:24:13.780vaccinated category. And same with cases. So they divide them out, make these stupid multipliers,
00:24:19.200like 37 times effective, 47 times less likely to die, but it's really just temporal. And so now0.99
00:24:27.120what we're seeing is the same temporal length of people being vaccinated almost a year now
00:24:32.060and it's starting to switch back so now you start to see on the manitoba government site oh it's one
00:24:37.860times as likely to test positive oh it's like two times less likely to die because temporally
00:24:44.240people have been unvaccinated and vaccinated for almost the same amount of period of time
00:24:49.620and then you go back to the pfizer clinical trials there's no reason to even believe that there that
00:24:55.880this would prevent death or would prevent hospitalization because it was nothing they
00:25:01.440even looked at in the first place they looked at just PCR positives and on top of that there's
00:25:07.660accusations that the PCR positives were fraudulent so the person who or a person who was a part of
00:25:14.880the third party so Pfizer their clinical trial data was outsourced to Ventiva so this is a research
00:25:22.700group that conducted their Pfizer randomized clinical control trials. And so this person
00:25:29.200named Brooke Jackson was one of the researchers. And so she whistleblowed on Ventiva and Pfizer,
00:25:36.080she brought to, I guess, her boss, saying essentially, hey, look, a lot of people who've
00:25:42.160been vaccinated are being told they've been vaccinated. And a lot of people who've gotten
00:25:46.660the placebo are being told they've gotten the placebo. So what that's called is unblinding.
00:25:52.700So that changes people's behavior, especially when the doctor sees that the doctor is now less likely to test someone who's vaccinated because it's in the back of their mind.
00:26:02.120They're more likely to test someone who's had the placebo.
00:26:06.100And so this happened at one one site and she brought this forward to her boss and then was fired because of it, essentially told to shut up.
00:26:18.780There's an accusation of fraud. On top of this, this is what people were circulating recently online, even though this is older news, was that Pfizer just ignored COVID symptomatic people.
00:26:35.220There was like something like 800 placebo and like 500 vaccinated symptomatic COVID people.
00:26:43.640And so they just didn't bother testing these people, even though they had COVID symptoms, because if they included those, if those numbers, then you would get this like 12% efficacy if you divide it out.
00:26:55.020So they just ignored these COVID symptomatic people. Again, took the eight people in the vaccinated group, 160 some in the placebo group, divided it out, got this random 95% efficacy just from testing PCR positive, spread that everywhere on the news, got that in everyone's brains like it was preventing 95% of death or like severe disease when it wasn't.
00:27:19.940And now what we see now is skewing of statistics, because you can essentially just manipulate statistics, like I said earlier, by how who is who is doing all of the skewing of the statistics?
00:27:31.960Is that just the drug companies or are we seeing it at least?
00:27:35.000And this is only a guess, I'm sure, because you don't really know this, but I'm sure you can make a safe assumption.
00:27:40.400Are governments skewing numbers as well?
00:27:43.940I mean, you can just really manipulate the statistics.
00:27:47.080So you can go from saying zero doses and unvaccinated to now lumping in people with one dose are now unvaccinated, even though those are two separate.
00:27:56.680Those are two completely different groups that can't be lumped in together.
00:28:00.200It's someone who hasn't taken this medical procedure and someone who has.
00:28:05.320So these are two different. They shouldn't be lumped together is what I'm saying.
00:28:10.220And so you can begin to lump together groups like this to manipulate how the statistics look.
00:28:15.620so like you can just phrase things in a certain way and present them how you want essentially
00:28:23.200brandon what do other what do other students in your class think of all of this well they just
00:28:30.360they just don't know because no one really would go back and read the randomized control trial
00:28:36.460data no one would look at pfizer's initial trial data they would just look at um stats now by the
00:28:43.360manitoba governments and so you get an impression that it that it's um doing something for severe
00:28:49.020disease or death where's the scientific curiosity though i mean you seem to have it what about all
00:28:54.580the other students like how come they're not doing the same thing that you're doing they'd be able to
00:28:58.960see it instantly ah i mean but the social pressure yeah go ahead you go well just just some backlash
00:29:06.680even he's received but the the social pressure i think is a big part of it yeah i mean you even
00:29:11.520have teachers, um, putting that pressure on, uh, students and shaming students for having that
00:29:18.420view. My own experience at Red River college, I had, uh, professors bringing up the vaccine all
00:29:24.560the time, uh, and shaming anti-vaxxers, uh, quote unquote for this one vaccine they don't want to
00:29:31.140get. Um, but of course you're going to feel scared to bring up your view. What kinds of teachers
00:29:37.640you're bringing up these vaccine vaccine shaming just i was i was doing business administration
00:29:43.960uh majoring in accounting and i had communications courses we were talking about i actually just
00:29:49.520was speaking to someone earlier about this but um in my one communications course we had to do
00:29:54.280presentations just to practice public speaking and the topics were on things like misinformation
00:29:59.580uh climate change and it was ridiculous i ended up saying i'm not doing any of those topics
00:30:05.240And another one, I had to write a paper about basically how women are treated, how there's misogyny in the workplace.
00:30:13.160And the way that it was framed, I had to agree with that statement.
00:30:17.740And then I ended up saying, I disagree with the way you've tunneled me into answering these questions.
00:30:25.980I responded basically saying this, what you're getting me to write is stupid and biased.0.99
00:30:31.840So not only are you facing a backlash from fellow students and teachers, but you're also being indoctrinated slowly into a left-wing Marxist ideology. Wonderful.1.00
00:30:42.520Exactly. And, you know, down with capitalism. I mean, I had my economy or economics teacher tell me that capitalism is bad and that what is it? Universal basic income is good and all these things.
00:30:58.540I was like, I just end zoom call and zoom call. I just, I dropped out. I had one term left. I couldn't actually continue my studies. And it just got to the point where I said, I'm, I'm, I'm not being indoctrinated, but the stuff that I have to listen to all day is, is ridiculous.
00:31:15.160um and essentially what happened was they said all the students have to come back to the school
00:31:21.100and I couldn't uh I wasn't allowed on campus and so I was asking about that and they said okay1.00
00:31:26.720we're going to set up one online class or like course for each class and um the unvaccinated
00:31:33.660students can take that but when I went to register something was wrong with the the platform and a0.98
00:31:40.120bunch of students messaged in and said I can't register for anything everything's gray none of
00:31:44.000the buttons work and you know the red river said we're going to fix that yeah it's a problem on our
00:31:48.100end and then when I went back to register all the online courses were taken and I only had the
00:31:53.540option to do in person and of course I can't do that so I was going to have to defer to the next
00:31:58.700year and I just said you know what I'm not giving guys any more money I'm not like being a part of
00:32:03.940this I don't need this this program um and so instead I started an organization instead you
00:32:11.760put together students against mandates and i'm sure i learned more about business and running
00:32:17.800an organization than i did in business school that was of course you would that's like real
00:32:22.000world experience right you're getting it firsthand you're going to make your mistakes firsthand you0.98
00:32:26.480don't have to sit and listen to some dumbass uh talking to you about left-wing ideology and and0.97
00:32:32.460gender fluidity and intersectionality when you're out there in the real world doing it for yourself0.98
00:32:37.720I commend both of you for the stances that you've taken.
00:32:41.660The other students, I'm sure, felt a lot of the same pressures that both of you did.
00:32:51.440A lot of the students, to my understanding, agreed with what the teachers were saying.
00:32:56.680And I mean, there were a lot of classroom discussions where, you know, you just ran to the to the Zoom chat.
00:33:01.740But a lot of people would say really nasty things about anti-vaxxers or whatever.
00:33:05.740the teacher would be all for it and then I would message in and say this is not appropriate classroom
00:33:10.660discussion this is political and and you're not to like um share your views as a teacher these
00:33:17.180are students and you're influencing them and I did send an email to one of the teachers and said
00:33:21.120this is not appropriate behavior but I had like there's one other girl that I know of who agreed
00:33:25.580with my view she was in a different class than me and she'd send me recordings of what the teacher
00:33:30.320would say you know people who who like um conservatives are bad this and that it was just
00:33:36.480it's very left-wing and um they feel it's more than left-wing it's marxist it's marxist extremism
00:33:44.580is what's what's happening and and when we say left-wing i mean the old idea of left-wing okay
00:33:50.900so you believe in more social programs than i do that was it pretty much but these days we're
00:33:56.400talking about extremists we're talking about people who support uh black lives matter inc
00:34:02.980and riots in the streets but they don't support a peaceful protest uh like the truckers convoy
00:34:09.480in manitoba and in ottawa you guys got together and went to ottawa didn't you and we didn't know
00:34:17.900each other very well either so i i met him once in in person at a protest him and his girlfriend
00:34:23.100Cassie, who we went with. But we had been talking over Zoom. So we do Zoom meetings. Didn't know
00:34:29.580him very well, but we decided this is something we need to do. We popped in a car. We ended up
00:34:34.380there for two weeks, had a great time. It was amazing. The energy in Ottawa was unreal. I'll
00:34:43.340never forget that experience. So many positive, happy, patriotic people. I look at a Canadian
00:34:50.200flagged differently now I just I don't see in the same way I did before I don't really
00:34:53.820care about it didn't mean anything to me now I look at it with pride so that's cool what was
00:34:58.740your experience in Ottawa like Brandon it was pretty surreal honestly um it was hard to believe
00:35:05.720like what I would see in person and then what I would see on the news so I would see like kids
00:35:13.020playing I would see like all these like awesome people coming up to us and just like talking
00:35:19.120which is like something you'd never like have happened to you in public normally but everyone
00:35:24.320was just so happy to talk to each other about anything and then you'd go on the news and it
00:35:29.740would just be like this weird obscure photo of like a nazi flag taken where no one saw and like
00:35:36.040some back alley and then like this other just like strange racist comments and it's just like
00:35:42.100nothing of that sort and like people are truly believing this but i mean people also believe
00:35:47.900like the Pfizer stuff too. So I don't put it past them to believe it also. So what are you guys
00:35:54.700doing? I know a little bit about what you're doing from the conversation I had with Lee on
00:36:00.240Saturday, but maybe we can elaborate, take the time to explore Students Against Mandates. And
00:36:06.140by the way, guys, if you just drop it into the show right now, I've got Lee and Brandon from
00:36:09.640Students Against Mandates as my guests on the show tonight. What are your missions? What are
00:36:14.760you guys attempting to do here? Well, our main goal is to end mandates at the universities and
00:36:21.600colleges. So we have a legal suit happening right now. Can't talk too much about that,
00:36:27.160but that's in the works. But we're also doing projects, initiatives such as a podcast. We're
00:36:34.540getting that going. We have an interview series called Opening Up, where we interview people with
00:36:39.260personal stories, how they've been affected by either the vaccines or mandates. We've interviewed
00:36:44.040people with adverse reactions um we have one coming up someone who runs a funeral home and
00:36:49.960he's been seeing a lot of uh strange cases coming in so uh that's going to be coming out soon as
00:36:56.020well um again we do speaking engagements we do protests we have a merchandise line just all the
00:37:03.240money goes back to the organization to help cover costs and expenses we're students so um but it's
00:37:09.480all volunteer based um what other sort of things you have there's so many things yeah we also have
00:37:14.940an interview coming up with dr ryan cole so if anybody's been paying attention to what's going
00:37:20.640on that will be a big one um yeah we have a lot of great content a lot of professors across canada
00:37:27.360on a rumble platform um we spoke to james you know brandon it's it's amazing that you have
00:37:34.200managed to get a lot of these professors to come on and speak about what's been going on because
00:37:39.180Because, you know, in the medical community and in the, you know, education community, people have been frightened to come out and speak openly about the mandates, about their feelings on the vaccine or even the PCR test, for that matter.
00:37:55.100I know that there's a lot of people who don't believe the PCR test was ever effective at diagnosing anything.
00:38:01.660You might be one of them, but, you know, I've got to hand it to you guys for being able to get some of these high profile people on your podcast.
00:38:09.180Thank you. Yeah. Well, I mean, even as we were talking to Brian Peckford and, you know, we're saying thank you for speaking with us. And he's like, just always ask. You never know what's going to happen. You just got to ask people. And what we found is people really want to speak to students.
00:38:24.620and I think at least from my perspective and from what I've seen a lot of students don't see what's
00:38:31.920going on and they don't people my age don't seem to understand what's going on and I think it is
00:38:37.100so important it's crucial that we start speaking to younger people and and opening their eyes
00:38:43.680because we need them to start standing up and fighting back yeah I agree I mean you know it's0.98
00:38:49.060people ask me well it's mostly older people who are walking around like zombies with masks on
00:38:54.580even though they don't have to right and I say no I mean have you have you been out in public have0.99
00:38:59.740you seen the 30 year old husband alone in his car wearing a mask I mean it it's like that out there
00:39:07.840what about people of your age guys 20s mid-20s what is the mentality yeah um so my friends sort
00:39:19.100of get what's going on and they know things are off um they wouldn't necessarily like side with
00:39:24.540what trudeau is saying but they don't really understand the scope of the vaccine or the scope
00:39:30.720of like how harmful i guess lockdowns were to the extent that we're talking about today
00:39:35.800and um i think there's a large social pressure on younger people not to speak out because they're
00:39:42.300sort of like what are like my other friends gonna think of me or what is what is the opposite sex
00:39:47.760going to think of me like in that sense so I think there is a big detractor for people to speak out
00:39:53.280or even have that conversation even if they think something's wrong and I'd also go further to say
00:39:59.840most of the people who understand or think something is wrong aren't the necessarily the
00:40:05.900people who would shout from the tops of the roofs traditionally that there is something wrong so I
00:40:11.880think with those confounding factors you sort of have just silence and maybe even a year ago you
00:40:18.880had younger people pushing the vaccine but I don't think there's really too many younger people
00:40:23.920pushing the vaccine anymore because it's kind of um people have hurt a little bit at least to some
00:40:29.260extent yeah I mean I it's amazing how big peer pressure is you know I was young once I remember
00:40:36.320how how it was with my friends and you know when you get older I think you're probably liberated
00:40:41.700from that in a lot of cases and you become more independent um but i wish there was a way that we
00:40:48.500could as you say brandon i mean there's people out there who who agree with us that things just
00:40:55.160aren't right but how can we get them to speak out is there have you been trying and and to no avail
00:41:03.560i think the best way is to show them they're not alone so for me i mean i'm he was saying you know
00:41:10.300he's not much of an active activist type person, nor mine.
00:41:13.060Well, he is now. I mean, both of you are now.
00:41:15.520I mean, you've worked before, but you are now, you know?
00:41:19.220Yeah, we've become major activists, but I never would have been like that before.
00:41:23.720I have very strong values and whatnot, and that's kind of what got me to this.
00:41:27.700But with all these major movements that have happened, I've never jumped on board.
00:41:32.860I think you need to look into it first and understand what it is.
00:41:35.660I looked at the BLM thing. I looked at their platform.
00:41:37.720I was like they're Marxist you know it's all over their page not interested um sorry what was I get
00:41:43.920what were we just talking about trying to convince young people trying to convince young people I
00:41:47.900think if we show them that they're not alone and that and that uh there's other voices and other
00:41:54.340young people who feel the same way I've noticed when I started writing stuff on my own personal
00:41:58.720Instagram I spoke up it's not an easy thing to do I didn't as I was writing it I felt stressed out
00:42:04.380and I felt anxious but I was like I know I need to do this and as soon as I post it I felt relieved
00:42:08.360and I noticed I got two messages that were hateful but a lot of positive ones and those people were
00:42:14.460saying I'm too scared because of the vitriol that will come but I think the more often they see
00:42:20.420posts like that I think they'll they'll be encouraged and say okay you know actually maybe
00:42:24.380the tide's changing a little bit it's safer I feel more comfortable we all just need to
00:42:29.120speak up and the more mainstream it becomes the more accessible to them have you ever thought
00:42:35.320about stopping because of blowback that you've received either one of you it's encouraged me
00:42:40.340honestly we haven't really gotten any blowback because a lot of our posts i'll take the actual
00:42:45.960published paper and cite it and then we'll make a swipe through that on instagram and no one
00:42:50.940bothers commenting on it um i used to post on my own personal social media some posts and not a
00:42:57.340single person challenged me on it so because they know they don't know what you know man
00:43:04.000and it's interesting when you're speaking and you know i usually don't like arguments from authority
00:43:09.720um when they're wrong because how can you you know how can i somebody like me uh who is not
00:43:18.920somebody educated in the sciences like you argue with you considering that you've got all of the
00:43:25.720evidence. But what do you say, Brandon, when you see all of these doctors and so-called scientists
00:43:31.800on television and on social media talking about the benefits of the vaccine and the benefits of
00:43:37.920masking and the benefits of social distancing, it must drive you crazy. Yeah. The first thing I would
00:43:44.240say to someone like that is, have you read the initial Pfizer clinical control trial data? If
00:43:51.000no then i'd say what are you even really talking about then because you you're just relying on
00:43:56.080nothing essentially um and then the second thing i would say like are you aware that there's
00:44:01.860fraudulent claims against pfizer's um control trial data so if no then i mean what are you
00:44:08.840sort of promoting at this point um and then i'd ask them about long-term safety of the mrna vaccines
00:44:16.260so I know their talking point is normally oh like we've been working on this for so long like
00:44:22.980the research was ready to go but you just don't know what's going to happen to someone long term
00:44:28.800until the long term happens right it could be five years down the road it could be 10 years
00:44:34.540down the road so well that's usually how long it takes for a vaccine to be put out into the public
00:44:40.780five to ten years maybe even longer in some cases because you do want to have those long-term
00:44:46.560results out before you even think about putting it out how can we find you guys on social media
00:44:53.040how can we reach you how can we get in touch so if you go to instagram at underscore or at
00:45:00.780students underscore against underscore mandates you have to type in the whole thing or it might
00:45:05.520not show up you can go to our website which is students against mandates.ca um and it has links
00:45:11.880there to like all the twitter rumble youtube uh our donation page everything's on there join the
00:45:18.900team our opening up series so it's probably the best place to go because you can just find you
00:45:23.240can find everything there excellent so the website again is students against mandates.ca
00:45:28.660that's right yeah okay guys thanks for coming on the show tonight and i'm sorry it took so long to
00:45:34.220get you on but i'm really happy you came on and i would like to have you again uh maybe we can
00:45:38.800partner on some guests soon because i've had some good ones you guys might like to have and
00:45:43.260you've got some good ones i might like to have so that'd be cool too thank you again for coming
00:45:47.300on okay thanks again there is uh brandon and lee from students against mandates joining the show
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00:48:45.600McMaster wins a judicial review over the removal of students for refusing COVID-19 vaccines.
00:48:53.160From the Law Times, the Divisional Court has dismissed a judicial review application that challenged the implementation of McMaster University's mandatory COVID-19 vaccination policy.
00:49:07.160mcmaster's co-counsel george avram says the court's decision sets the framework for other
00:49:12.260employers particularly universities and colleges to have mandatory vaccine policy no it does not
00:49:18.960and the reason that it does not is because it is still being challenged in different courts
00:49:24.880all across the country and there are other rulings that are coming in that are more positive this one
00:49:30.700from the counter signal judge drops fines for calgary freedom protest organizer the justice
00:49:36.940center of constitution sorry for constitutional freedoms is pleased to report that alberta
00:49:42.140provincial court judge michael dinkle oh that's an unfortunate last name
00:49:46.660has acquitted calgary freedom rally organizer brad kerrigan on charges that were laid
00:49:54.160under the public health act for protesting lockdowns and mask mandates crown prosecutors
00:50:00.180attempted to argue the freedom rally Mr. Kerrigan was involved in was a private social gathering
00:50:05.580subject to public health orders issued by Chief Medical Officer Dr. Dina Hinshaw, who by the way
00:50:12.160is under a court challenge herself right now, which restricted gatherings at the time and even
00:50:17.820banned Albertans from having company or family visit their own home. So this is an interesting
00:50:23.980precedent because it should have effect all across the country. For anybody like myself,
00:50:29.280you can still see the tickets hanging in the background. I guess not right now because I'm
00:50:33.300small on your screen. Maybe right now you can see the tickets are still there. If you got mask
00:50:38.380tickets, if you got ticketed for showing up at a rally during the times of mandates, this ruling
00:50:46.700by that Calgary judge is definitely going to impact any rulings going forward. And there are
00:50:54.500other rulings like that across the country as well. This story here, federal no more pipelines
00:51:00.000law, unconstitutional, according to an Alberta court. This is the Alberta appellate court,
00:51:07.980I believe, who made this ruling. Majority of judges, yep, with the Alberta Court of Appeal,
00:51:13.340has voted to strike down the Trudeau government's Bill C-69 as unconstitutional.
00:51:18.640Jason Kenney, who branded the environmental impact assessment bill the no more pipelines law,
00:51:23.340praised the 200-page ruling on Tuesday as a historic victory nearly three years after the
00:51:29.360law first received royal assent. Basically, Trudeau wanted to shut down any new pipelines
00:51:35.140in Alberta. This court has ruled he can't do that. He doesn't have the authority. However,
00:51:40.120the Trudeau government say they will be taking this matter on appeal to the Supreme Court.
00:51:46.140And in the Supreme Court, they did win a ruling a few years ago about the carbon tax,
00:51:51.420as you may remember all right let's go to the house of commons
01:00:02.020But maybe you leave your phone on the table.
01:00:05.860And then you come back in 5, 10 or 15 minutes, depending on how bad it is, and you resume your duties.
01:00:13.880According to the Ottawa Citizen, the alleged incident was only visible to MPs on an internal stream.
01:00:21.520Assistant Deputy Speaker Alexandra Mendez confirmed the MP appeared to be in the can.
01:00:25.900Well, if she said washroom, I say can.
01:00:28.260While participating in a debate on Bill C-252.
01:00:31.520I would like to remind everyone that, especially online, we have to be very prudent with how we use our devices and be aware of the surroundings.
01:00:44.060In response to Goodrich's point of order, Liberal MP Kevin Lamoureux, that's a Winnipeg guy, accused the Conservatives of wanting to embarrass people.