00:08:03.520and Stu Murray became the new leader I think in 2001 or 2002 and they searched high and low and
00:08:12.380they couldn't find anybody to take the job as CFO. The party was in very poor financial shape.
00:08:20.280The Royal Bank was looking at calling our loans. It was pretty dire and of course when you lose
00:08:27.240an election and then they changed the election laws immediately after 99 where no more corporate
00:08:32.700donations were allowed and the pc party relied on all the corporations to fund their campaign so
00:08:41.000basically you know royal bank uh bank of montreal all great west life all these big companies
00:08:47.560uh were the ones that were funding and there was no limits they could pay 30 40 000 dollars so
00:08:54.320uh when they headed into the 2003 election um it got pretty bad because they had they didn't
00:09:01.280They weren't prepared to get individuals to donate, but so I was the CFO throughout that period, which was a very tough time to be the CFO and went through, I think, three or four elections.
00:09:22.26011 and then Brian talking about Hugh McFadden and we should probably because can we have people
00:09:27.100watching from all across the country uh they don't really know who you're referring to there
00:09:31.560so that's Hugh McFadden who was the former leader of the PCs in Manitoba didn't really have much of
00:09:37.560an impact back in those days yes so when when when uh Brian Palser became the leader I was
00:09:45.360he appointed me cfo and i think i lasted about three weeks and i resigned i uh what happened
00:09:53.280was he just too much of a he was too much of a task master he was like a you know i just i just
00:09:59.220felt like i couldn't work with him like he he was he's just yeah i can't even describe what the
00:10:06.480the problem was but i was a pretty dedicated conservative for a long time through the toughest
00:10:11.040years and when when i knew we're on the verge of a win but i really couldn't i couldn't stick around
00:10:18.920i i resigned and maybe before he would have fired me i'm not sure why i resigned as quickly as i did
00:10:25.300so i was really estranged from the party starting then and uh i came back in and i guess when they
00:10:33.040had the leadership no i didn't actually i i started to be a campaign manager and a financial
00:10:39.660agent in Seine River for Janice Morley-Lacombe. And we won two back-to-back elections. So I was
00:10:47.340involved at that level. They didn't try to do anything to stop me from doing that role.
00:10:55.000When they first got elected, I think within the first week, I got a call from the party to come
00:11:00.860back and help them with the changes to the Election Finances Act. And I came back and I did that.
00:11:06.880and then after that time I pretty much didn't do anything with the party central party until I ran
00:11:13.920for leadership and I had 11 day political career and okay look I'm sorry to laugh but I saw you
00:11:24.040laughing I think it's funny I had 11 day career but it was really odd because in my the total 11
00:11:31.440days that I was there I really only had three people or maybe four people helping me we didn't
00:11:38.580make one phone call we didn't send one email we didn't have any lists of any any party members
00:11:45.060we had nothing we had no information we put five issues on Facebook and the membership sales were
00:11:56.700going through the roof it was just it was ridiculous I couldn't we couldn't even believe
00:12:00.280what was happening we didn't spend a penny i think heather ended up spending north of 600 000 i think
00:12:05.780shelly spent 300 000 we spent i the only money we spent on my campaign is i well i had 30 i got
00:12:13.08030 000 35 000 so i could put my 30 down or 25 down but they refunded that to me i put in 3 000
00:12:22.240and we spent 2900 so the only money we actually spent in my campaign was my 2900 i gave all all
00:12:29.180the rest of the money back to all my supporters so um it was amazing it was just amazing how many
00:12:36.180uh memberships that we sold with really virtually we i think we had three meetings or rallies you
00:12:44.620could call them and i never did a speech i just answered questions like it was really a bizarre
00:12:50.440campaign really when you think about it did you find yourself being vilified by the left-wing
00:12:55.880corporate media as an extremist candidate yes yeah they said i share i didn't they used the
00:13:03.160line that trudeau used on all the truckers actually that i didn't share a proper views
00:13:08.540with the average manitoban or something like that like some leading citizens leading community
00:13:14.600members were the ones that were quoted in the free press and and on cbc that i held whatever
00:13:20.940what's so terminology they use but i held views that were not green views yeah you were extreme
00:13:26.780right-wing views you were part of a minority with unacceptable value broadbeck went after me and
00:13:33.520said i was a trump fan and i was i've been to the dark side and yeah i got yeah it was pretty bad
00:13:39.700actually some of those because some of these people were my friends like broadbeck was my
00:13:43.660friend for years years and years this is a columnist by the way in the winnipeg sun is or
00:13:48.640sorry winnipeg free press now he's he used to be in the winnipeg sun uh guys so this is one of the
00:13:54.300guys that's all right this is an example of a media member who used to used to re uh sorry lean
00:14:02.300to the right when he was working for post media the winnipeg sun and then he got a job i guess
00:14:09.080higher paying over at the free press which is a lefty rag and now he extols the virtues of
00:14:14.560socialism quite frequently it's amazing to me how somebody's values can change over a few bucks0.99
00:14:20.820yeah but i guess he was he was giving you a hard time too probably all those asshats on cjob because0.97
00:14:28.720we know what the media is all about so 11 days you were running for the leadership of the party0.97
00:14:35.980was there ever any poll taken to see how you were doing no uh there was never a poll not that i'm
00:14:41.860I don't think there was a poll. I'm not sure. I knew there was somebody from within the inner group that kept on sending messages. And he sent over the time I was in, over the 11 days and even after, he sent these messages. And everyone became true. Like he knew what was going to happen.
00:15:03.900like I received a message indirectly it didn't come to me I went to one of the guys on my
00:15:09.100committee and he forwarded to me and the first message was something like I would not be allowed
00:15:15.660to run because of something in my application so this is before I even put my application in so
00:15:23.960nobody even knew what my application was going to be and when I did put my application in I didn't
00:15:28.600show it to anybody i did it myself it's got criminal checks in there and child registry and
00:15:33.940adult registry all that stuff and some you know your background and i never show it to anybody
00:15:41.340so this was out about three days or four before my meeting i already knew like i knew probably
00:15:49.420did you say you didn't know who told you this like we have a deep throat operative somewhere
00:15:56.500deep inside the party it's somebody who uses uh another name like it's not i don't think i don't
00:16:03.300know the guy i don't know who it is but this guy had information it was really quite interesting
00:16:08.380because he picked everything well the very first thing he said he said that was the second one was
00:16:14.320i would be kicked out the first one was that the party wanted to have a coronation and they were
00:16:21.680trying to do everything they could not to have any any competition for heather and so he sent
00:16:27.700that out and then what transpired after i heard that was that there were different people within
00:16:33.140the party that were going to run and he they never ran they just kind of uh they just they
00:16:39.880and then they dropped out so that so it was and then of course they couldn't stop shelly and they
00:16:47.220couldn't stop me right so this is now we're talking about two technically not caucus members
00:16:53.520but not party outsiders either i mean shelly glover was an mp a conservative mp yes for a
00:16:59.380couple of terms under stephen harper and uh you have been associated and worked with the pcs of
00:17:06.700manitoba for years and years so it's not like they didn't know who you guys were but you were standing
00:17:11.520in heather stefanson's way so i pretty much knew every member of the party throughout those years
00:17:17.960i got to meet almost everybody over 13 years uh so i wasn't a stranger to them at all so 11 days
00:17:24.860you're running for the and then what happened then okay so um the one odd thing that was
00:17:32.580happening the whole time which which really uh was strange was that they have a i know what
00:17:39.400computer systems they use and at all the memberships i sold were sold online people just
00:17:45.220wrote in directly online and they said this membership's for kennedy because i every member
00:17:50.880every candidate had to sell a thousand memberships to get into the race that was one of the five
00:17:56.380grand too right you had to raise 25 grand and have a thousand memberships sold so after that so i it
00:18:04.220was a saturday night i had the meeting with the guys that wanted me to do it and then on sunday
00:18:10.240they they posted these five you know it was all the unvaccinated situation at the time so that was
00:18:16.600the main theme of it and freedom and those kind of things so that was saturday of the long weekend
00:18:22.140in september and then monday was a long weekend and i called the party tuesday morning and i still
00:18:27.640was kind of they were still my friends at that point in time so i asked them i said do you tell
00:18:32.060me how many memberships i've sold and he says hey let me check and so he goes like here's some
00:18:36.440click clacking going on on the computer and he comes oh you've got uh 600 or something i go 600
00:18:43.100on sunday the long weekend and monday is the long weekend and i got that many he goes yeah
00:18:49.380i go wow they not one point after that time did they ever tell me how many i sold
00:18:54.700every time i called they would say well you know we're behind on entering this and that
00:19:00.440And the very last, when I went for my intern, no, when I dropped off my check, the $25,000 check, I took somebody with me so they could witness because I knew what was going to happen.
00:19:11.520And I said, can you tell me if I sold 1,000 memberships?
00:19:16.320Because I think I sold, I don't know what, north of 4,000.
00:26:06.180And it probably won't be surprising to any of your listeners that what the media told you happened on election night wasn't what happened.
00:26:15.040And interesting thing that just developed here 10 minutes before we went on the air.
00:26:20.780When I did my original analysis of what had happened, I downloaded this was on election night or a day or two after the election.
00:26:28.820I downloaded all the statistics and Excel spreadsheets from Elections Manitoba site to analyze the election numbers.
00:26:35.120And I compared the election numbers from 2023 to 2019.
00:26:40.400Now, just before we went on air, Shadow, I decided, you know, I better update my spreadsheet because, you know, that wasn't official results at the time.
00:26:49.200So I went and downloaded again the 2019 general election results and the 2023 election results.
00:27:28.980When I downloaded these spreadsheets just after the election, and I was looking at, let's say, the Green Party, in 2019, the Green Party received 30,243 votes.
00:27:44.600The spreadsheet that I downloaded for 2019 just now, 10 minutes ago, said that the Green Party in 2019 only got 29,489 votes.
00:27:55.040So they changed the numbers on 2019 since the election.
00:27:58.980Now, the 2023 numbers, I can't tell you if they changed them from a day or two after the election night because I can't download them because the only ones available are 2019.
00:28:10.420So I'm not sure if it's usual four years after the fact that they're monkeying with the numbers still, but they're monkeying with the numbers right now.
00:28:18.620And the numbers from the most recent election aren't even available.
00:28:42.080I can show you the two spreadsheets side by side that I just downloaded from there.
00:28:47.740They have the right title on them, but it's the wrong data.
00:28:53.380Let's talk about the irregularities. There was something to do with the Keystone Party
00:28:57.780that you fellows were telling me about a couple of weeks ago. I went, okay, so guys, for those
00:29:03.180of you who don't know, the Keystone Party in Manitoba is a right-leaning party. It's not well
00:29:09.880known, even in the province. It mostly comes from rural people. They did get some support in rural
00:29:16.760ridings, but not nearly enough to gain any seats whatsoever. Nonetheless, there were some number
00:29:21.400discrepancy yeah the leader of the the leader of the party's riding is turtle mountain and uh you
00:29:28.320know uh most a lot of the polling stations are very small a lot of them are tiny little communities
00:29:34.100where you know everybody in the community so when the election results came back there were certain
00:29:39.260when he checked the polls there were polls that he knew he got votes on where the elections
00:29:43.300manitoba said he got zero votes now this is kevin friesen the leader of the party correct
00:29:47.880Exactly. Yeah. So he went around to a couple of polls and he found that happening in a number of places. So he went to Elections Manitoba and said he wanted a hand count. They initially refused. Then they told him, well, we can do it, but it's going to take several days. So they showed up on the allotted day to do the count. And within two hours, two and a half hours, they had it done.
00:30:11.800and he gained 11 11 percent more votes than he had with their systems now if you if you project
00:30:20.220that the pcs lost about eight and a half percent of their votes that they had in 2019
00:30:25.780so if they if they're finding 11 percent votes in um in turtle mountain what could we be finding
00:30:33.280elsewhere that that that's unprecedented that they would they would find any zero votes i mean
00:30:41.260they have judicial recounts and they might move one or two votes i've been to some that there's
00:30:45.940very few circumstances where you would have like over 150 votes and the other question i have on
00:30:53.420that one can is this one were those 150 taken from another candidate or were they extra ballots
00:30:59.760that they didn't count the first time like i don't i'm not sure what the answer to that is
00:31:03.000and that's an interesting problem because i if we get to some discussions on sane river i can show
00:31:08.220you some funny things with the number of ballots issued and the number of votes counted well why
00:31:15.280don't we talk about that go ahead i mean okay okay so uh there was they had a brand new system
00:31:22.460and they had to change the election finances act in order to um accommodate vote counting machines
00:31:29.600so when they did that they they created a parallel set of rules that would match uh hand counts so
00:31:37.960that they would have the same controls in place identical controls except the results would come
00:31:42.720through a machine now let me let me ask you this because in federal elections we don't use voting
00:31:49.200machines in canada but we do in provincial and municipal elections right yes yeah that was just
00:31:55.760changed that was just changed 2022 by the pcs okay so that was just changed we do use the voting
00:32:03.780machines. So it could be that the voting machines are off or is somebody maybe programming them a
00:32:10.940little bit wonky? Well, I can get to that. But just getting back to this situation with the
00:32:16.420ballots. So the new system had basically three different computers in it. The first computer
00:32:22.900was when you walked in to get a ballot, you had to show ID, which we brought in in 2016 after
00:32:29.980the NDP ignored that for 17 years in power they did not want ID because they could they were
00:32:35.220cheating like crazy without ID what they were doing it was just a joke it was unbelievable
00:32:39.820but anyhow so you come in with an ID and you uh don't be laughing shadow it's all true but I can
00:32:47.200prove it all I'm sorry man it's just that when we say cheating it's like it just makes me feel like
00:32:51.140a fool like we've been sitting here because we've been hearing about this election fraud in the
00:32:55.120united states right and then people go how could how dare you accuse anybody of cheating we've got0.99
00:33:00.640integrity and and we never ever talk about it here in canada like ever even though elections canada
00:33:06.940admitted a couple of uh what was it last year they said well we we lost 200 000 ballots in the last
00:33:13.680federal election no big deal because it wouldn't have affected the results are you kidding me
00:33:18.080200 000 that's a very large percentage of the voters in this country anyway i'm sorry i'm so
00:33:24.360that's okay it's okay so any of this new system you you when you got your ballot you had to show
00:33:30.220two pieces or an id a photo id or two pieces of id and then they handed you a ballot and they they
00:33:35.760marked you as voting you know you have now you've got a ballot so you're now off the list you can't
00:33:40.540come back and vote again in the old days they would just take a ruler and a pencil and draw
00:33:44.840your name off the list so by doing that i mean you could have if it was during an advanced poll you
00:33:50.180could vote at one advanced poll and go to another and get a ballot and vote there again. There was
00:33:54.300no online system to stop that. So finally, they put in a computer system that could hopefully
00:34:00.380prevent that. So then you went and you stuck your ballot into a machine. And then it tabulated the
00:34:07.900result. And then on election day, for the advanced poll on election day, they would print out those
00:34:13.240results. So during the advanced poll, it was seven days long. Every day was supposed to be every day,
00:34:20.780but it wasn't because I think they had trouble with their computer system during the advanced
00:34:24.360poll as well. They would give you a list and tell you how many people voted in your constituency
00:34:31.380on that day. So we would take that list and we would compare it to our own internal numbers and
00:34:38.520see how many of our identified supporters had voted so we could keep track and we would know
00:34:44.360on the first day to advance poll uh 180 of our known supporters voted for us and we'd know
00:34:51.760all the other parties or if we didn't know who they were or if they definitely told us you know
00:34:58.180to to get off their doorstep we knew they weren't a supporter but we had all these numbers throughout
00:35:03.540the whole time so when it was all and on election night election day they would send us updates
00:35:10.420every hour on the hour so at the end at 8 45 so the polls have been closed for 45 minutes i looked
00:35:18.180at the number of ballots that they're handed out because that was a separate system and the number
00:35:24.340was 10 184 ballots issued when the results came out and posted several days later there's actually
00:35:33.22010,369 people who actually voted, ballots that were counted.
00:35:38.940There was 185 more ballots counted than ballots issued.
00:40:33.360we took a picture of that ticket and then when the final results came out we're able to
00:40:38.340to agree that ticket to the final results everyone was exactly right but they never printed one out
00:40:44.720at the advanced poll on the last correspondence i had elections manitoba they told me that they
00:40:51.980printed it out 10 minutes later well i was there till nine o'clock it was finished counting by 820
00:40:58.540or 825 i was there for 35 minutes you could have called me back in and say oh here's the tape for
00:41:02.500you they never did there were 4 900 ballots on the advanced poll and 5 300 on election day so over
00:41:13.040almost half the ballots 47 of the ballots were counted an advanced poll scrutineers were present
00:41:20.400and they did not show us the results so i mean that when i pointed that out to elections manitoba
00:41:28.640i said never mind a hand count you should throw out the entire election and redo it
00:41:33.280like we have no idea what ended up and then it took a how many two and a half hours to get the
00:41:39.520results to the public this is if this happened in just one writing you're describing just one
00:41:47.340writing here then same river yeah it would probably if you know like ken drysdale said
00:41:54.780probably you have to think that this was going on and we don't know to what extent in every single
00:42:00.960writing getting back can lead to what you were talking about when you were speaking with
00:42:05.160elections canada paul says do they give lousy answers to hide the truth or to protect their
00:42:11.680own ineptitude well i i think there are several problems with elections manitoba uh well the
00:42:20.860excuse okay so dan lett wrote an article the day after the election because the all the media the
00:42:27.100cbc global uh the free press the winnipeg sun they were all very upset because the results
00:42:33.080weren't coming out in a timely fashion like this system was supposed to be online
00:42:40.700results every minute like they're supposed to be updating and there was a there was a just a
00:42:46.680a pause for like two hours or nothing was posted so i know that insane river everything was counted
00:42:53.320like i got all the tapes 8 15 8 17 8 20 8 25 8 30 and then the the advanced poll they're all done
00:43:01.880by 8 30 8 35 and it didn't get posted till 10 30. so they explained to dan let so dan let's ask him
00:43:09.160the question i guess and in dan's article we're not on a first name basis by the way but mr let's
00:43:15.320article he uh he says well there he was told it was a secure there was a firewall breach
00:43:21.500well a firewall breach so you know what a firewall breach means means somebody
00:43:27.600hacked the system how can you hack the system if it's not hooked up to the internet
00:43:33.740it is well you see this is the vote county machines are not but how do they get they have
00:43:39.820like six or seven hundred voting machines in the province well how are they going to get that to
00:43:44.100elections manitoba unless they go over the internet they're not going to phone them on a0.99
00:43:46.940cell phone they have this fancy system so it was just a red herring it's like a stupid thing to say0.83
00:43:53.680like i know the voting machines aren't but they take the sim card out of the voting machine they
00:43:58.020put in a tabulating machine which is attached to the internet which gets sent to the to the
00:44:03.260elections manitoba and then they said that the only thing that the firewall reached it
00:44:08.780didn't allow them to upload the information from their computer onto their onto their website so
00:44:14.820people can see them but that doesn't make any sense no see if somebody hacked the system
00:44:21.680and i talked to some computer experts on this and they said if your firewall is breached i mean
00:44:30.220that's extremely serious i mean that's where i'll hear all the hacking and people taking
00:44:33.920personal information on this is what happened this is what happened when you go through somebody's
00:44:39.560firewall and how and depending on the sophistication of that person who hacked it
00:44:46.760they could manipulate all the numbers any way they want and i'll say one final thing on this
00:44:51.220in the state of georgia jury right after the our election here they went a case went to the supreme
00:44:58.420court and they got to the supreme court because uh the court agreed that if the firewall there
00:45:08.720was a firewall breach there if the firewall was breached then everybody who voted would could
00:45:13.860never be certain that their constitutional right to vote was properly accounted for so they went
00:45:19.300and then they had the trial so that i mean we had more votes here than ballots issued
00:45:28.040it sounds like at least in one riding we had scrutineers who didn't see the final results
00:45:35.280because they just what neglected oh god you know i know you've been waiting here for the last half
00:45:41.460hour to see the results and i i got them and i sent them off i'm sorry i didn't tell you what
00:45:46.460yeah exactly that's what they said okay so let me ask you guys this again you've seen ken drysdale
00:45:54.760you've seen the numbers change uh 10 minutes before we went on tonight you said the 2019
00:45:59.780numbers completely changed from what they were four years ago and you can't access the 2023
00:46:04.800election numbers ken lee you have talked about um i don't want to let's just call it election
00:46:13.300irregularities from now yeah i agree do you guys believe that this has been done on purpose to
00:46:19.620rig an election or is this just a bunch of serious incompetence let's start with ken drysdale
00:46:24.760I don't know. But I do have a curiosity here. I don't care what anybody thinks of the Green Party. But the Green Party in 2019 got 30,000 votes. In 2023, they got 3,000 votes. So I approached them. I sent emails. I phoned them. I phoned their leader. And I said, listen, you want to talk about this? What the heck happened?
00:46:51.960like did was you know aren't you curious as to how you went from 30 000 votes to 3 000 votes
00:46:57.640and i checked back for seven elections and every election they got more and more votes you know
00:47:02.500i have i have a piece of paper here on my desk somewhere i can't find but going back seven years
00:47:07.140they got 5 000 votes then the next one seven eight nine ten twenty and all of a sudden from
00:47:11.80030 000 to 3 000 and they don't want to talk to anybody about it green party does the green party
00:47:17.220doesn't want to talk to us about that they lost 90 of their votes and they don't want to talk to
00:47:22.060anybody about it so did we do we know how much the ndp vote went up yep uh i've got that was it
00:47:29.160about 27 000 it was well that was a good part of it but the libs went through the same thing right
00:47:34.520the the liberals lost 16 000 votes out of what they they got 68 000 votes in 2013 and they got
00:47:42.36051,000 this time so they lost 16,000 so if you add the 26 or 27,000 the green party lost and say
00:47:49.780the 17,000 that the um that the uh um the liberals lost it comes pretty close to the uh 68,000
00:47:58.480additional votes that the NDP got or 73,000 sorry okay so could this be something like
00:48:05.700maybe all of the parties getting together I I really don't think so because this would be
00:48:11.300almost impossible to organize something like this but it's anything to get rid of the pcs so let's
00:48:18.200get all the greens together and say all right we're going to give up our votes to undp and the
00:48:22.780liberals say we're going to give up our votes to undp and so they form a voting block is that even
00:48:28.260possible we're talking about thousands of people here i think that's possible i mean look at you
00:48:33.660can do it by running a really bad campaign not getting your people out maybe not running candidates
00:48:44.460And, you know, I mean, when I started looking at this, these numbers, you know, I didn't know what to expect.
00:48:51.420I mean, who the heck would know that the Green Party would play such a big part in this election?
00:48:56.680And so when I discovered it, you know, a lot of things go through your mind.
00:49:01.120You know, there were potentially election irregularities.
00:49:04.980did the green party the greens collude with the NDP I don't know the answer to that did they just
00:49:11.880not have did they just not want to run reasonable candidates and didn't run reasonable candidates
00:49:16.040maybe but but it's it's one heck of a blow to them I mean one heck of a blow and and you'd think that
00:49:23.020if this happened to them they'd be kind of they'd be kind of wanting to talk to somebody about it
00:49:27.240be mad and find out what happened but they're not returning calls emails phone calls nothing
00:49:31.980Okay, so Elaine brings up an interesting point here. It doesn't really matter, she says, if the cause is fraud or incompetence, the real problem is that elections are not fair or free.
00:49:44.160Gentlemen, this is a very interesting topic, and I know that you both are down the rabbit hole some. I know that you absolutely believe the World Economic Forum is dictating policy in this country, both provincially and federally and municipally.
00:49:57.160So let me ask you, do you think that we've been bamboozled for years and years and years and years?
00:50:03.320Elections have never been free or fair, or is this just a recent phenomenon?
00:50:07.100Or are we completely off the mark here whatsoever that elections are free and fair, they just make mistakes?
00:50:50.740Well, you know, it's not, let's put it this way.
00:50:54.020I think people don't really understand, and I'm not going to be technically completely right here, and Ken, you can certainly jump in and correct me, but I don't think people understand that political parties are privately owned entities.
00:51:08.260It's like wanting to join the Cub Scouts.
00:51:10.360You know, the Cub Scouts can make up their own rules and whatever rules they want.
00:51:16.540And that's kind of what happened to Shelley Glover.1.00
00:51:18.680There were no rules in place as to how those ballots were supposed to be held and how they were supposed to be counted or security on them.
00:51:25.420And essentially, the judge said there's no rules on it.
00:51:27.460So, you know, they can do what they want.
00:51:29.580So the way these things are supposed to run at a typical political party, and they vary a little bit, is you have an executive.
00:51:36.800and then manitoba has 57 different ridings and you're supposed to have a constituency association
00:51:44.000in each of the 57 ridings and so what the constituency associations do and just so
00:51:50.780happens the pcs average about 250 members per riding registered members for riding i think
00:51:56.240that's about the average and so that each constituency is supposed to meet and they're
00:52:01.440supposed to elect delegates and uh and then those delegates are supposed to have the votes as to
00:52:06.900what going on on the leadership so if you want a new leader you know these delegates 10 from each
00:52:11.860riding that are supposedly elected in those ridings go to the to the meeting there was one
00:52:17.040in january 13th here in winnipeg and so they're supposed to go and leadership is supposed to
00:52:23.140present them with whatever the new rules are or whoever they want to run and then all these
00:52:26.940delegates are supposed to vote but the trouble is is nobody goes to the riding association meetings
00:52:33.260you'll show up at one there's eight people there you know it'll be the candidate his wife his cousin
00:52:37.320jim his uncle bob and billy bid but not all this other kind of stuff going there so you know just
00:52:42.740for that just just to see we had a bunch of people they're just there for the free coffee and brownies
00:52:47.540right like yeah i didn't know there was something going on here i just saw free coffee and brownies
00:52:52.260on the side yeah so that the delegates that they elect are it's really um it's apathy there yeah
00:52:59.660and you know just to see i i got myself um put on the on the slate in my writing and i became a
00:53:06.100delegate and then when i was they were voting for me and i voted my wife in so rosalie and i are
00:53:10.180delegates on uh in our writing and we did that in four or five other writings as well but we could
00:53:15.220have we could have simply taken all the delegates so that's how that's kind of how it's supposed to
00:53:20.900work. But then when you go to these meetings, like on January 13th in Winnipeg, everybody just
00:53:25.180got bulldozed over. They presented a whole new way of counting votes to elect people in the party
00:53:32.100that nobody understands. We had people all over and were asking the candidates, asking the person
00:53:38.820sitting next to them, do you understand what the hell is going on? None of them did, but they voted
00:53:42.420it anyway. Then they just cut off the meeting. Would you say that, and the experience I had
00:53:49.140with the progressive conservative party of manitoba and ken drysdale you you were there
00:53:55.360for one of those meetings at the restaurant um i found them disorganized and they had a defeatist
00:54:05.580attitude i i got the feeling that they thought they were going to lose so what's the point in
00:54:10.280even continuing with the campaign and they seemed so set in their ways because it's always been done
00:54:16.600like that they refused to actually look at new concepts new ideas for getting the word out
00:54:21.800or any kind of boldness whatsoever right like parental rights like danielle smith is doing
00:54:27.340in alberta right now because they're scared they're scared of the marxist media and they're
00:54:32.340scared of of what the trans tifa yeah why i don't know i can give you i can actually give you a
00:54:41.640story on that like I I brought forward the parents rights uh concept to them and uh it was a bunch of
00:54:50.820work done by a gentleman named Ron Friesen who provided me a bunch of background information
00:54:55.300they just did a great job and I presented it and they jumped all over it and they said they're
00:55:00.080going to do it and at the final meeting there was four of us in this meeting and I said you know we
00:55:07.260we shouldn't stop there why don't we say why don't we make another addition to that one and
00:55:12.600suggest that biological males would not be allowed to compete against biological females in any school
00:55:19.500sports well they said well we can't do that oh why well because they'd call us transphobic i said
00:55:27.140who's they who's they the parents of the girls are they going to call us through like who's they
00:55:32.780And they said, no, we can't take a chance on that.
00:56:00.300so they have no i mean the people there's all sorts of people that would have went finally
00:56:06.460all these people that were thrown out of their jobs like when i was running for leadership all
00:56:12.140these are all the people that were coming they were ndp liberals they were everybody
00:56:15.680every like firemen policemen uh nurses all hospital workers these people lost their
00:56:23.520livelihoods and you know what you guys watching this right now we're going to continue on until
00:56:28.820the end of this interview on all of the social media before we switch over to shadow davis.com
00:56:33.300for the uh for the pass holders so we're sticking with ken and ken here and i want you also to0.85
00:56:39.720understand that we're talking about specifically manitoba right now but this is the same crap
00:56:45.840that goes on in every province across the country yeah these people are not elites i remember i was
00:56:54.620had a pc fundraiser at a restaurant on tembata highway back in september about two days before
00:57:00.160the million person march for kids and i saw one of the ministers one of the high ranking
00:57:04.840ministers standing there just like how are you doing and i thought to myself oh my god dude it's
00:57:13.700like 6 30 in the evening and you're high-eyed i'm not naming names because i don't want to embarrass
00:57:19.600this guy yeah but i thought you want to show yourself as as a high-ranking minister in the
00:57:27.440provincial government like this with all of these people who paid a hundred dollars per ticket to
00:57:32.560come and see you you're almost ready to fall on on the floor it was embarrassing you bring up the
00:57:39.520million person march and i thought that was the perfect timing for our campaign we just announced
00:57:46.300parents' rights. And if you believe this, there was only one cabinet minister who was also an
00:57:54.700elected official that showed up for the march. That was the St. River Janice Morty that showed
00:57:59.020up. And not one of her colleagues came to that. Of the 57 candidates, one showed up for that march.
00:58:07.860Do you know that there were plans for Heather Stephenson to come out and speak to all of the
00:58:13.540people we had gathered that day i remember that shadow yeah that that was um we had i'm not even
00:58:19.880sure how many i think there was about 5 000 people that came out yeah that day yeah and she could have
00:58:26.280come out she could have been a hero do you guys know billboard chris is no do we know who he is
00:58:32.020yeah yeah okay well ken one of the kens knows billboard chris is a guy who is originally from
00:58:39.440vancouver he's a big believer in parental rights and he wears a billboard right and he goes and
00:58:45.140stands on corners in big cities all across the world and he talks to people he talks to people
00:58:50.340about uh this trans thing that's going on about uh non-binaries about you know boys playing in
00:58:57.980girls sports and and all of that and what he said to me the night that he was on the show a couple
00:59:02.720of months ago is that 99.9% of all of the people he talks to and guys, he stands out there for 12
00:59:13.940hours a day with a sign that says, uh, not that many transes ask me why or whatever. Right. So0.77
00:59:22.780people naturally will stop and they'll start engaging with him. Yes, he does get some wackadoos,
00:59:27.660But the bottom line is, he says, 99.9% of the people I speak with absolutely agree with me, and they can't believe that this whole thing has gone on so far. He said, shadow, he looked me right in the face. He goes, shadow, I don't understand why these political parties are afraid to speak about this. It's a winner.
01:06:37.280The deputy minister, the ones that are hired by the party or by the government, I guess you could say, the actual government, they can't fire people.