The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:06.120 Welcome. You are entering the Stone Zone.

00:00:08.660 Well, we've got a full-blown Twitter war, X war, between Elon Musk and President Donald Trump.

00:00:19.380 Look, I think Musk is a great patriot.

00:00:21.560 And when he bought Twitter and turned it into X, the largest free speech site in the country, he put a big target on his back.

00:00:32.080 Suddenly, he found that his previously liberal friends were investigating all nine of his companies.

00:00:38.520 And he came to the conclusion that they would destroy his companies and probably send him to jail.

00:00:44.580 It was then that he decided to give his financial and personal support and efforts to Donald Trump.

00:00:51.580 And I think he did help us win the election.

00:00:54.220 I think he's done an amazing job at Doge, ferreting out not millions, not billions, but trillions of dollars.

00:01:05.220 But he decides he doesn't like the big, beautiful bill.

00:01:09.020 But that's not really what he's mad about.

00:01:10.680 So, he's right about the big, beautiful bill not having enough spending reduction.

00:01:16.220 But a budget rescission bill, just structurally, I worked in the House of Representatives, Congressman Bob Steele of Connecticut, is not the place to do that.

00:01:27.040 That would be in a rescission bill.

00:01:29.180 Stephen Miller has a rescission bill going up to the Congress that will cut $98.4 billion.

00:01:37.500 So, that's not really what he's mad at.

00:01:39.960 But this insane attack on Trump saying Trump is in the Twitter files, that's why he's not releasing them, is categorically false.

00:01:49.560 Trump was on Epstein's plane one time, that is publicly recorded.

00:01:54.620 With him was Marla Maples and his daughter Tiffany.

00:01:57.240 They went from New York to Palm Beach and back on a weekend at the time that Trump's plane was in the shop.

00:02:02.940 Trump never visited his palatial apartment in Manhattan, like Steve Bannon did.

00:02:11.780 He didn't visit his ranch in New Mexico.

00:02:19.580 The one and only time Trump was in Epstein's home in Palm Beach, according to Virginia Giffray, one of the Epstein victims, in her sworn testimony.

00:02:33.760 It was a cocktail reception for a charity, and that Trump was a perfect gentleman, and she witnessed no inappropriate activity by Trump.

00:02:44.620 This is the one and only time Trump is in Epstein's home.

00:02:50.360 He barred Epstein prior to Epstein being charged with a sex crime.

00:02:55.080 So Trump learned of Epstein making an inappropriate advance on a young girl who worked in a spa at the Mar-a-Lago Club, and he had security bar him from the site for a permanent ban.

00:03:12.280 He was barred from all Trump properties.

00:03:14.760 This was prior to his being exposed and charged in Florida for sex crimes.

00:03:20.500 The police chief, who does a six-month undercover investigation, gives the state prosecutor a case for the sex trafficking and statutory rape of 33 children.

00:03:33.420 But the sheriff, probably with the prosecutor, under pressure from Alan Dershowitz and Gerald Lefkort and Leon Black and the other high-priced lawyers, Jeffrey Epstein, they reduced that to one count of solicitation.

00:03:51.660 So Epstein gets a pass that I think is due to his connections with the intelligence agencies.

00:04:02.440 We'll talk about that, but I want to bring in David Schoen, criminal defense attorney.

00:04:08.140 He was retained by Jeffrey Epstein nine days before Epstein's death.

00:04:13.720 David and I agree that we think it is unlikely, based on the medical examination by Dr. Michael Badden, the longtime respected New York medical examiner, that Epstein committed suicide with all due respect to Kash Patel.

00:04:31.540 But David discussed some of these matters with his client.

00:04:34.980 David, welcome to the Stone Zone.

00:04:37.800 Thank you very much.

00:04:39.820 So this canard of Trump and Epstein, this was concocted by the Clintons because, you see, the Clintons continued to not only socialize but take millions of dollars from Epstein after he was convicted in Florida of a sex crime.

00:04:55.060 And they continued to socialize with him.

00:04:58.140 Bill was on the Lolita Express 23 times, according to the FAA manifest.

00:05:03.000 I believe he visited the island just based on the documents in the various lawsuits of Epstein's victims.

00:05:09.860 I would say Bill was on the island at least 17 times.

00:05:13.800 It was Epstein who provided the seed capital for the Clinton Foundation.

00:05:20.060 But they have continued to spread this myth that Trump is the one that has vulnerabilities through his relationship with Epstein.

00:05:26.840 Can you speak to this, David?

00:05:29.800 Yes, it's absolutely untrue.

00:05:31.780 I know it for a fact.

00:05:33.340 I discussed it with Mr. Epstein.

00:05:35.540 Let me make something clear.

00:05:36.520 You know, I posted on X or Twitter, whatever it's called, last night to set the record straight on this.

00:05:43.260 A number of people wrote in saying, oh, well, he is violating attorney-client privilege.

00:05:47.420 I can assure you I have not and never would and never have violated attorney-client privilege.

00:05:52.820 This is an important point to Mr. Epstein.

00:05:54.840 He didn't like it when people were falsely accused of being involved with him in illegal, improper activities and so on.

00:06:02.820 I specifically asked him about President Trump.

00:06:05.780 And remember, this is at a time when it would have been in his best interest to implicate as many people as he could have, especially big shots, if he were inclined to go that way.

00:06:15.140 And I had, you know, very frank and candid discussions with him, as I had to have in preparing his case.

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00:07:19.380 But today comes shocking news.

00:07:25.340 Kash Patel says in an interview that they have no videos whatsoever of Jeffrey Epstein or any of his associates committing a crime.

00:07:34.860 Now, we know for an absolute certainty because we saw it with our own eyes that they left his New York, his palatial home in New York.

00:07:42.720 It's the single most expensive single-family home in Manhattan with boxes and boxes of DVDs and hard drives.

00:07:52.140 It's also true of the racist Palm Beach home.

00:07:56.800 Who knows what?

00:07:57.860 They grabbed at the island.

00:07:59.500 Where are those records?

00:08:00.580 I think what Kash Patel is telling us is they have been destroyed, which is what I believe.

00:08:05.620 We have a cover-up here.

00:08:06.960 His death is a cover-up.

00:08:08.340 His murder, in my opinion, is a cover-up.

00:08:10.780 Why?

00:08:11.520 Well, because I think it was Alex Acosta, the prosecutor, who gave him a slap on the wrist when, again, when he was appointed Labor Secretary and he's preparing for a Senate confirmation, a lawyer I know says to him, who's helping him, says to him,

00:08:26.340 what are you going to say if they ask you why you gave Epstein a slap on the wrist?

00:08:31.040 He says, well, I'm going to tell the truth, that he worked for the CIA, that the CIA director came to me and said, he's one of ours.

00:08:38.280 We just want you to seal this case, which they did.

00:08:40.780 The Epstein case was sealed for many years.

00:08:44.340 The Palm Beach Post went to court to ultimately get these records unsealed.

00:08:52.320 What did we learn?

00:08:53.480 Epstein gets an 18-month sentence, but he's the only prisoner in the state of Florida who's allowed to serve his sentence in the county jail in the air-conditioned brand-new wing.

00:09:07.020 He only has to be, quote-unquote, in jail from 10 at night until 6 in the morning.

00:09:15.740 Otherwise, he's free to go.

00:09:18.060 The sheriff's office is driving around like a security detail.

00:09:22.240 And he only serves 15 of his 18-month sentences.

00:09:26.420 He goes right back to running his international sex trafficking and child abuse networks.

00:09:33.280 And my guess is that that tells you the story.

00:09:37.740 I believe Epstein, David, he was an equal-opportunity blackmailer.

00:09:44.000 He worked for the CIA, as we know.

00:09:47.640 I believe he probably worked for the Mossad and the Saudis as well.

00:09:51.840 His entire story is improbable.

00:09:55.800 He did not make his money.

00:09:57.220 He has no hedge fund.

00:09:58.960 So he goes from being an impoverished math teacher in Manhattan to being a billionaire by blackmailing people out of their money.

00:10:10.880 I believe I would have won Jeffrey Epstein's case at trial.

00:10:14.080 I believe I would have won it in pre-trial motions.

00:10:17.140 If I didn't win it in pre-trial motions, I would have won it at trial.

00:10:20.380 And that was my role in the case, was to represent him.

00:10:25.060 And I knew his case pretty well.

00:10:28.060 Well, look, this is a very key point.

00:10:31.020 In America, everybody is entitled to both have a good lawyer and a fair trial.

00:10:37.160 Both are very hard to get, I might add.

00:10:41.800 And, David, everybody is entitled to stout legal defense.

00:10:47.680 But I see this greater issue, and we're going to talk to Jack Posobiec from Human Events about this.

00:10:55.360 This is the split in MAGO, and it causes some split, is not helpful.

00:11:00.620 Steve Bannon is saying, Elon Musk, we should deport him.

00:11:05.640 Well, first of all, he's a U.S. citizen, so he can't be deported.

00:11:08.680 And secondarily, he says the government should seize his companies.

00:11:13.620 That's what we call communism.

00:11:15.360 That's what Castro did.

00:11:19.060 So I guess Steve is desperate for the clicks.

00:11:22.140 I'm not happy that Elon Musk decided to air the family laundry in public.

00:11:30.480 And again, he tells us this is about the big, beautiful bill,

00:11:34.440 but it's not clear that it isn't about these other issues,

00:11:38.560 where I think he had some sense of frustration.

00:11:41.260 But I hope he and Trump can put it back together because it was a winning combination.

00:11:50.880 I mean, I do think that he helped us win.

00:11:53.940 I also think he's doing a great service on X, formerly known as Twitter.

00:11:58.720 By the way, you can find me at Roger J. Stone Jr., Roger J. Stone Jr.

00:12:03.420 Until yesterday, David Schoen, attorney at law, had never posted on his Twitter profile.

00:12:10.380 How did your first post do, David?

00:12:14.380 First post seems to have done pretty well.

00:12:16.120 It looks like it shows seven and a half million views and 107,000 likes.

00:12:20.600 But let me say this, Roger.

00:12:21.780 I don't believe there's any person in this country who knows and understands more about politics

00:12:27.200 and the American political scene, maybe others, better than you do, or as well as you do, even.

00:12:32.900 So you have a much greater sense of all of these broader issues than I do.

00:12:36.940 What was important to me, and the reason I decided to post this time,

00:12:40.480 was I don't like to see anyone falsely accused.

00:12:43.160 And it's an important matter when it's the president of the United States.

00:12:46.720 And I don't know that Elon Musk is accusing President Trump of having done something wrong.

00:12:50.960 He said that he appears in the files.

00:12:53.080 That's why the files were presented.

00:12:54.760 I don't have any idea what's in any files.

00:12:57.240 I know what the truth is in this case.

00:12:59.500 I know that Jeffrey Epstein confided in me fully,

00:13:02.800 and I know that I asked him specifically about this subject,

00:13:05.740 and he assured me that he had no bad information about Donald Trump whatsoever

00:13:09.780 at a time in which it would have behooved him to have had and to have used bad information if he had it.

00:13:16.200 Yeah, I'm in complete agreement.

00:13:19.120 But again, the left jumps on this.

00:13:24.460 Now, strangely enough, the Democrats are jumping up and down saying that the Epstein files should be released.

00:13:31.200 I think they should be, but I think what Kash Patel is telling us is that most of the material is missing.

00:13:36.740 Epstein's telephone book, the so-called Little Black Book, was published in my book,

00:13:42.300 The Clinton's War on Women, in 2015.

00:13:45.300 It was initially published by Gawker.

00:13:48.500 Nick Bryant, who's a brilliant investigative reporter, was the first reporter to uncover the Epstein scandal,

00:13:54.980 but he was a freelancer, and he went to all of the big magazines and newspapers of the day,

00:14:00.280 and nobody would touch this incendiary story until Gawker finally broke the story.

00:14:06.860 We learned who Jeffrey Epstein was.

00:14:08.580 And then between the time that Epstein served his 15 months of soft time for his state crime,

00:14:18.280 and when he was asked whether his crime was serious of molesting children, he said,

00:14:23.460 it's no worse than stealing a bagel, his quote.

00:14:26.120 Between that time and the time he ultimately gets charged federally,

00:14:31.160 it's only because of a reporter named Julie K. Brown with the Miami Herald.

00:14:36.180 She is dogged.

00:14:37.360 She knows that justice has not been done in this case, and she is dogged in breaking it open.

00:14:42.200 And her stunning series of stories on Epstein are what finally drive federal prosecutors to grab Epstein.

00:14:50.120 They didn't raid his home like they did with me.

00:14:52.440 They came up to him in public.

00:14:54.080 They even let the two nice FBI agents let them put a coat over his handcuffs,

00:14:59.460 very different than the way they traded me and my wife.

00:15:04.000 So this is a misfire by Elon, and I hope he will get back focused on free speech again.

00:15:17.180 If I can make one more quick point.

00:15:18.960 Certainly.

00:15:20.000 If I can make one more quick point.

00:15:21.460 You have 22 seconds.

00:15:22.540 It's important for all of your listeners, all your listeners to keep in mind.

00:15:26.280 As you say, there was this book.

00:15:28.080 Many names appear in the book who did absolutely nothing wrong with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:15:31.980 Absolutely.

00:15:32.380 Someone says this name is in a file.

00:15:34.500 It's important.

00:15:35.180 I met with him several months before he was dead in order for him to ask me if I would take over all of his litigation.

00:15:41.800 He had fine lawyers at the time.

00:15:43.240 I wasn't sure I wanted to.

00:15:44.200 At that time, when I went to his house, I met with a former prime minister at his house.

00:15:48.840 He had a picture of Bill Gates with a dollar bill in it.

00:15:51.280 I asked, what's that about?

00:15:52.460 He said he made a bet with Bill Gates.

00:15:53.940 What was he going to bet him?

00:15:54.940 So he bet him a dollar.

00:15:55.960 He knew a lot of prominent people.

00:15:57.780 All of those people loved being around him, wanted to be around him.

00:16:01.060 All of a sudden, they all never heard of him, never knew anything about him.

00:16:04.040 All of that is true.

00:16:06.240 All right.

00:16:06.500 We've got to go to a break.

00:16:08.200 You're in the Stone Zone.

00:16:09.320 Thanks to our guest, David Schoen.

00:16:12.000 The Stone Zone on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

David Schoen ｜ 06-06-25

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