The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


Fmr. Gov. Rod Blagojevich ｜ 05-08-26


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Rod Blagojevich is a former Democratic Governor of Illinois and former U.S. Attorney General of Illinois. He served as Governor from 2001 to 2006, when he was impeached by President Donald Trump for refusing to endorse his re-election campaign. He was convicted of corruption and conspiracy to obstruct justice and sentenced to eight years in prison.

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00:00:35.540 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative.
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00:00:42.220 Welcome to The Stone Zone.
00:00:44.100 Tonight I thought we'd go right to, straight from the shoulder of politics 0.93
00:00:47.800 and bring in what we used to call an old-time Democrat.
00:00:52.340 This is more of a JFK, Harry Truman Democrat, a modern Democrat,
00:00:57.780 who I think was very unfairly treated, but he came up the chairs.
00:01:02.760 He was the assistant state's attorney for Cook County, Illinois.
00:01:05.600 He served in the state legislature in 1996, was elected to the U.S. Congress,
00:01:10.320 and then he became the first Democrat governor elected in Illinois in 26 years.
00:01:15.660 I believe that he was railroaded to a long prison sentence
00:01:21.280 from which President Donald Trump ultimately gave him a full and unconditional pardon
00:01:26.440 for which I advocated and was paid nothing for those folks over at Reuters.
00:01:31.500 But I'm proud to have my friend Rod Blagojevich with him
00:01:35.380 because his story is a story of grit and rejection and faith.
00:01:43.000 All he was guilty of was politics.
00:01:46.460 It outrages me to this day that he was convicted in a trial
00:01:50.520 in which the principal evidence against him,
00:01:52.500 Wiretap conversations were not allowed to be played in court.
00:01:57.420 At the same time, he was denied Barack Obama's FBI 302, which is supposed to have all evidence against you, but that's still sealed by the Department of Justice.
00:02:10.560 I'm hopeful that Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche will do something about that.
00:02:16.880 I believe he will.
00:02:18.480 Let's get to the bottom of this case.
00:02:19.840 Let's bring the man on himself, Governor Rob Gugliewicz.
00:02:22.780 Governor, how are you this evening?
00:02:24.900 I'm doing great, Roger.
00:02:25.880 Thanks for having me on.
00:02:26.840 And I have to say that among the many great things that have happened to me since the new beginning I was given by President Trump when he commuted my sentence and then pardon me, is I've gotten to know you.
00:02:36.280 And, you know, I never really I never knew you, of course, while I was, you know, before I got out of prison.
00:02:42.720 But there I was in prison watching you on television when they did you what they did to me.
00:02:46.680 and they went to your house with SWAT teams and arrested you early in the morning.
00:02:50.800 And there you were, defiant and strong, and you did the Nixon thing.
00:02:54.100 And it was love at first sight from my point of view for you, Roger,
00:02:56.580 because as you know, I've long admired President Nixon.
00:03:00.060 Well, I mean, look, you are a fighter, and you are in the tradition of an old-time Democrat.
00:03:05.120 You also casually admit that you strongly supported President Trump's re-election.
00:03:11.460 I mean, people don't really realize if the president at first commutated, commuted your sentence,
00:03:16.180 which you no longer had to, ending the eight years incarceration, eight hard years in prison,
00:03:23.060 for refusing essentially an order by Barack Obama to replace Valerie Jarrett,
00:03:29.080 who may or may not be a foreign asset in the U.S. Senate.
00:03:32.700 And that's the real crime that they send you to prison for.
00:03:35.220 I've studied this case extraordinarily, and that's why I think Obama's comments in this interview may be interesting to you.
00:03:41.680 They're a little long, but let's roll them.
00:03:43.480 we're waiting for a an extraordinary situation in which ruck obama speaking cbs said that the
00:03:52.040 essentially the black department just shouldn't be weaponized and the attorney general should not
00:03:56.980 act essentially as a hitman for the president which is just the the to my opinion governor 0.94
00:04:02.900 you think this that has to be the greatest single hypocrisy in american history yes it is and it's
00:04:09.820 Just another example of projection.
00:04:11.600 In other words, Obama's projecting onto others what he himself does and what the people around him have done to the magnitude never before seen in American history.
00:04:21.120 And the whole idea of weaponization and lawfare and undoing the will of the people by the abuse of the justice system and bringing criminal prosecutions against political rivals,
00:04:33.580 which is what the Biden administration did to President Trump
00:04:37.260 and what other Democrats did in other places like New York and Georgia
00:04:40.420 and Jack Smith and the case with the documents.
00:04:43.800 All of this is part and parcel of the seeds that were planted by Obama.
00:04:48.800 And I believe it started with my case.
00:04:50.440 You know, the whole thing began, my issues,
00:04:52.680 when Obama sent an emissary to me on election night, November 2008.
00:04:57.340 I was a Democratic governor.
00:04:58.540 I was the first Democratic governor to endorse Obama.
00:05:00.720 I've known him since 1995.
00:05:01.900 we came up together in Chicago politics
00:05:04.460 I have to say I was very good to him
00:05:06.620 did a lot of favors for him
00:05:07.880 and so he wanted to make a political deal
00:05:10.220 and we talked about what kind of deal
00:05:12.900 we can make to criminalize it against me
00:05:14.620 I went to the big house for 8 years
00:05:15.960 Obama went to the White House for 8 years
00:05:18.480 and then made a deal with those
00:05:20.800 FBI agents and the prosecutors
00:05:22.680 and part of it
00:05:24.360 a lot of the truth is there in those FBI 302s
00:05:27.080 13 pages of them
00:05:28.200 they talked to Obama I think the day after I was arrested
00:05:30.840 And to this day, those 302s, first of all, they were never given to my defense team, which I was entitled to.
00:05:36.840 But they're redacted.
00:05:37.940 Every word in those 13 pages is blacked out.
00:05:41.400 And I think it's important for the American people to know what exactly he said to the FBI the day after I was arrested.
00:05:48.580 Just the chutzpah here.
00:05:50.060 Can we tee up Obama at this point?
00:05:53.480 Well, there are a couple that I followed even though they weren't law.
00:05:58.760 and i want us we're going to have to do some work to return to this basic norm and we probably now
00:06:06.240 have to codify it the white house shouldn't be able to direct the attorney general to go around
00:06:12.780 prosecuting whoever the president is technically it's under the executive branch the norm is that
00:06:19.940 it's independent the norm the the idea is that the attorney general is the people's lawyer it's
00:06:25.880 not the president's consigliere right even when it's bobby kennedy it's bobby kennedy and so
00:06:33.560 two of the core principles of a democracy we can survive a lot bad policy
00:06:43.240 funky elections there's a bunch of stuff that you know we can overcome we can't overcome
00:06:51.720 the politicization of the criminal justice system the the awesome power of the state
00:06:57.340 you you can't have a situation in which whoever's in charge of the government starts using
00:07:03.400 that to go after their political enemies or reward their friends right so another power maybe i'd say
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00:08:02.240 I mean, that is really,
00:08:04.000 that's what we call chutzpah.
00:08:05.900 Here is a guy who helmed
00:08:08.200 a seditious conspiracy
00:08:09.500 that began in the Oval Office
00:08:11.660 with all the conspirators,
00:08:13.160 including Sleepy Joe Biden
00:08:16.000 and National Security Director
00:08:18.440 Susan Rice, the CIA director and Islamic convert John Brennan, the FBI director James Comey,
00:08:27.960 the acting attorney general Rod Rosenstein, and they planned to put in place what they 0.78
00:08:33.680 admit and it was now proven in the documents released by Tulsi Gabbard, they began a seditious
00:08:40.200 conspiracy in which they used evidence they knew was not legitimate, the so-called SEAL
00:08:44.860 dossier and the claim that the democrat national committee had been the subject of a of an online
00:08:51.260 hack which is a total fiction as the rationale to trigger a special uh prosecutor in order to
00:08:58.140 bring donald trump down and they knew it was fraudulent and they got busted that's who's
00:09:02.660 lecturing you now about abuse of power that's the greatest single dirty trick in american political
00:09:08.980 history they these people actually plan to unseat a successor because the election didn't go their
00:09:14.660 way uh it was a it was a coup d'etat and they got caught as far as a president choosing attorney
00:09:21.460 generals president sean adams directed his attorney general to make prosecutions as the jfk as did fdr
00:09:29.060 as did abraham lincoln the he's the chief executive uh country but he's also the chief law enforcement
00:09:36.180 officer and he has constitutional jurisdiction as an executive branch department over the
00:09:41.700 over the Department of Justice.
00:09:44.680 That is not to say it should be abused for political purposes,
00:09:48.360 but look, I know, for example,
00:09:50.820 that Richard Nixon lost to John Kennedy in 1960.
00:09:55.780 In 1961 and 1962,
00:09:58.280 he came up both years for a random federal tax on it.
00:10:02.280 How likely do you think it is that that was likely?
00:10:06.420 No, Roger, what you're saying is absolutely right.
00:10:09.360 Look, I listen to Obama.
00:10:10.900 It's maddening. I mean, that's breathtaking hypocrisy. And he's lucky that breathtaking hypocrisy is not a crime because he'd get a life sentence. 0.99
00:10:19.520 And the amazing part of that is the chutzpah, you're right, that he would actually point at Trump when what they did to him, what they did to Trump, even before Trump was sworn in,
00:10:29.280 that interregnum, that period after Trump beat Hillary in 2016 and was sworn in in January, the 20th of January, 2017,
00:10:37.340 Obama and his people, Klapper, all those people were involved in conjuring up this fake Russian collusion thing.
00:10:43.200 And that was an attempted coup d'etat.
00:10:45.140 Now, that's a crime.
00:10:46.620 And that's the sort of thing that the new president, the current president, has a responsibility and a duty to look into.
00:10:53.140 Because this is exactly the sort of thing that will destroy our freedoms.
00:10:56.800 And so when Obama talks like that, it's almost like, you know, he's pretending not to be Putin when it's the kind of stuff Putin would do.
00:11:03.520 I don't really understand why the progressive Democrats who have clearly taken control of the machinery of the Democrat Party, the progressive slash socialists, think that I don't see the appeal.
00:11:14.620 I don't see their platform. I understand the argument they're making.
00:11:17.300 We know they hate Trump. We understand that.
00:11:19.140 We know that they aren't that patriotic, that they like to fundamentally change America.
00:11:28.400 I think America is pretty damn great the way it is.
00:11:30.480 If everybody obeyed the law, it would be even better, particularly if everybody obeyed the Constitution. 0.99
00:11:36.980 But the arrogance of these people to think that voters are so stupid that we've forgotten that they spied on the president of the United States. 0.98
00:11:45.280 We thought that they would forget that they abused the FISA courts. 0.99
00:11:49.740 We think we would forget that they essentially fabricated evidence to frame a president, and then they weaponized it with partisan Democrats.
00:11:58.660 the four prosecutors every prosecutor in my case well had worked for hillary clinton every one of
00:12:04.180 them had had a motive uh and uh one of my when my lawyers pointed out that the prosecutor in my case
00:12:11.540 had represented hillary clinton herself in the clinton foundation in the famous uh a fight over
00:12:18.180 her emails uh she should have been immediately uh fired and the judge ruled that it was not a
00:12:24.580 conflict if you can believe such a thing so that that's who pursued that was my pursuing this this
00:12:30.900 woman had all the charm of a north korean prison guard let me tell you so look roger we've both
00:12:39.020 been on the wrong end of weaponization and lawfare president trump's been on the wrong end of that 0.87
00:12:43.180 in an unprecedented way what they did to him and most of the american people saw through it
00:12:48.520 half the country course is so our country is so divided and no matter how obvious certain things
00:12:53.360 are there just some people these democrats meet and other people who hate trump are never going
00:12:57.960 to allow themselves to try to objectively stay away from this but this isn't a democrat issue
00:13:02.080 it's not a republican issue this is an american issue this goes to the very heart of our freedoms
00:13:06.260 in a country that's all about self-government our right to choose our leaders in elections
00:13:10.920 that are free and fair and not have these unelected bureaucrats with fancy law degrees
00:13:15.680 and uncontrolled power and unlimited resources have the ability to undo the will of the people 1.00
00:13:21.360 by going after the elected president of the United States
00:13:24.300 or the leading candidate from the other party, the opposition party,
00:13:27.360 which is what happened to Trump the second time around.
00:13:29.620 The first time was after he had won.
00:13:31.420 They did this twice to Trump.
00:13:33.020 And it would be wrong of President Trump,
00:13:34.860 and I know he's going to do the right thing.
00:13:36.760 He's already doing it in his administration a little bit late,
00:13:39.780 but they're beginning to gin up and develop the momentum that's necessary
00:13:44.480 to do what they have to do.
00:13:45.400 If we're going to save our country and save our democracy,
00:13:48.060 this isn't vengeance.
00:13:49.020 This isn't the use of the Justice Department to go after your political enemies.
00:13:53.160 This is holding those people who've done that accountable for having done that.
00:13:57.840 They're the ones who are threatening our freedoms and our democracy.
00:14:01.040 And if we don't stop it and make an example of them and bring them to account, we're going to lose our democracy.
00:14:06.320 Because what's going to happen is one party does it, then the next party wins, they do it.
00:14:11.360 And it's going to be an endless stream of this building up and getting worse and worse.
00:14:14.600 And suddenly we're no longer the United States or Russia or China or Iran. 1.00
00:14:21.760 Extremely well put.
00:14:22.940 I want to thank our guest, Governor Rob Goyevich.
00:14:26.520 Rob Goyevich came up through the chairs of the Cook County machine, but he was also, as he told me many times, a great admirer of Richard Nixon.
00:14:34.740 He actually met Richard Nixon.
00:14:36.620 He's a Democratic governor who never raised taxes on the working class families of Illinois.
00:14:41.600 It's an anomaly.
00:14:42.660 J.B. Pritzker wanted to get to him today, but that's a big, big subject, if you know what I mean.
00:14:48.980 And therefore, we won't be able to kick it around.
00:14:51.280 But unfortunately, another police officer has been killed in Pritzker, Illinois.
00:14:56.260 It is really a tragedy.
00:14:57.780 It really is a horrific tragedy.
00:14:59.460 Thanks, Rod, for joining us.
00:15:01.360 Thank you, Rod.
00:15:01.860 Appreciate it.
00:15:03.580 Listening to the Stone Zone, when we get back, I think John Brennan may be in the hot seat.
00:15:08.860 John Brennan is, of course, the CIA director, was one of the major orchestrators of the Russian collusion hoax.
00:15:16.060 He slipped it into the footnotes of the president's intelligence briefing so that he could justify and rationalize FISA warrants in a special counsel that he knew was unwarranted based on false information, but based on information that had already been debunked.
00:15:35.300 But we'll talk about that when we get right back.
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