Roger Stone is a former White House lawyer who served as counsel to President John F. Kennedy and is now a regular contributor on CNN and CBS's Late Show with Stephen Colbert. In this episode, Roger talks about the hypocrisy of President Barack Obama and his attorney general, Eric Holder.
00:01:26.920Well, there are a couple that I followed, even though they weren't law, and I want us, we're going to have to do some work to return to this basic norm, and we probably now have to codify it.
00:01:42.380The White House shouldn't be able to direct the Attorney General to go around prosecuting whoever the president wants to.
00:01:50.580Right, because technically it's under the executive branch, but the norm is that it's independent.
00:01:54.560The idea is that the attorney general is the people's lawyer.
00:02:19.180There's a bunch of stuff that we can overcome.
00:02:23.960We can't overcome the politicization of the criminal justice system, the awesome power of the state.
00:02:31.800You can't have a situation in which whoever's in charge of the government starts using that to go after their political enemies or reward their friends.
00:02:45.240This has to be the single greatest statement of hypocrisy in the history of American politics.
00:02:52.800It was Barack Obama, who in a July 2016 Oval Office meeting directed his FBI director, his CIA director, his director of the Office of National Intelligence, the acting attorney general as well,
00:03:11.680to essentially fabricate crimes in an effort to destroy Donald Trump
00:03:17.860when they invented the Russian collusion hoax.
00:03:22.020This is actually amazing because nobody has weaponized the Justice Department
00:04:19.240As President Trump's Justice Department pursues investigations involving figures like
00:04:23.720FBI Director James Comey, New York Attorney General Letitia James, and others,
00:04:28.680Obama is only acting like he cares about the Department of Justice's independence.
00:04:33.900What Obama wants is for the deep state to protect its own like it typically has.
00:04:38.520During the Obama years, Americans watched the Justice Department face controversy as contrary,
00:04:44.080such as the Fast and Furious operation where the Attorney General of the United States refused to respond to a subpoena from Congress to talk about that gun-running operation.
00:04:56.060Holder was held in contempt by Congress, but unlike Peter Navarro, for example, he was never arrested or prosecuted.
00:05:04.220Yet the media largely treats those years as a normal governance, blaming the victims and helping the Obama regime run cover.
00:05:11.660Now, when Trump demands accountability from officials who clearly abused their power and even committed apparent treason in certain cases,
00:05:20.200suddenly the left declares this to be a constitutional crisis.
00:05:24.560Obama's warnings might carry more weight if his own attorney general had not openly embraced being his political protector and his hitman.0.99
00:05:33.240Instead, Obama opened his mouth and once again, he showed himself to be a disingenuous hypocrite.0.96
00:05:38.520He'll be lucky if he himself is not charged and imprisoned for his role ordering the fake intelligence behind Russiagate.0.95
00:05:45.320I believe, as do many legal scholars, that the Supreme Court decision that exempts the president from prosecution in the execution of his duties is very clear about the perimeter of those duties.
00:05:59.200Planning the destruction of your successor does not fall within his official duty.
00:06:04.400So I would argue that Obama, along with Vice President Joe Biden, all of whom were in the room when this seditious conspiracy was hatched that became the Russian collusion hoax, are susceptible to prosecution.
00:06:17.100And now I'm waiting to see whether Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche, who last week, with my strong approval, brought an action against FBI Director James Comey, will follow suit, and whether there are prosecutions in the Southern District of Florida where the seditious conspiracy that begun in the Obama White House takes you through the Russian collusion hoax, takes you through two phony impeachments.
00:06:46.320We know all of this to be true because the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, has declassified the government documents proving that everything I just said is true.
00:06:57.160The other interesting thing here is that Democrats are now sending letters, House Democrats and one senator, sending letters to more than a dozen recipients of President Trump's pardons and commutations.
00:07:09.400This move signals a start, they say, of an oversight effort into whether those Clementine decisions involve pay-to-play dynamics, meaning whether pardons were influenced by financial contributions, lobbying, intermediaries, or other forms of influence.
00:07:26.460This is interesting because I also got an obnoxious inquiry from Reuters.
00:07:32.720Reuters, by the way, is not a news organization.
00:07:35.500Reuters is the newsletter of the Democratic National Committee in the far left.
00:07:40.560So if you had some idea that Reuters was somehow an unbiased news organization, you can dispense with that.
00:07:47.400They specifically wanted to know whether in my advocacy for a pardon for New York City police officer Michael McMahon
00:07:54.460or for Nevada Judge Michelle Fiore or for Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez,
00:08:02.600who was framed in the most outrageous trial as a narco trafficker or my advocacy for a pardon for Ross Albrecht,
00:08:11.820who essentially invented the dark Internet or for Sheriff Scott Jenkins or my advocacy for a pardon for former Illinois Governor Rob Blagojevich.
00:08:21.600Goyevich. A, they wanted to know why I didn't register as a lobbyist. Well, there's no law that
00:08:26.900requires me to do so. And they wanted to know how much I was paid. That number in every one of these
00:08:31.980cases is zero, zero. I was paid nothing. Why? Because I myself was a victim of the weaponization
00:08:40.400of our justice system. I myself was sentenced to four years in prison for crimes I did not commit.
00:08:48.560And therefore, I identify with every one of those people.
00:11:04.840They also predate Mr. Biden's commutation of a sentence of 37 death row inmates who were convicted of murder, drug dealing, rape, and other heinous violent crimes.
00:11:17.840Interestingly enough, none of those people applied for a pardon.
00:11:22.020Republicans and President Trump have scrutinized the use of an auto pen to add his John Hancock to those documents.
00:11:29.860Ms. Oyer, who did not respond to a request from the New York Sun for comment,
00:11:34.600writes that the clemency warrants are the official records of presidential grants of clemency
00:11:39.440in the form of pardons and commutations.
00:11:42.320Each is on long parchment paper bearing an official seal in gold
00:11:46.120and the official signature of the granting president.
00:11:49.820The Constitution ordains that the president shall have the power to grant reprieves and pardons
00:11:55.080for offenses against the United States.
00:11:57.520The son also obtained a notification of termination from May of 2023 to the pardon office's erstwhile records and information manager, Malawi Wells, from the deputy pardon attorney general, one Kira Gillespie.
00:12:13.020Ms. Wells was fired following an investigation into the missing documents after she was determined to be the last person known to be in possession of the warrants that subsequently disappeared.
00:12:25.180Ms. Oyer, who was appointed pardon attorney in April of 2022, a role that does not require Senate confirmation,
00:12:32.320was fired by the Trump administration in May of 2025 after she claimed she refused to recommend restoring Mel Gibson's gun rights.
00:12:41.960She has since emerged now as a harsh critic of the 47th president, Donald Trump,
00:12:46.440telling 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley that all of the traditional rules and procedures pertaining to pardons
00:14:32.580this is the stone zone with roger stone roger stone who's a very very one of the smartest
00:14:48.000political minds roger stone was persecuted people forget he's actually a brilliant brilliant
00:14:52.780political analyst now get him his own it's the stone zone here's roger stone
00:14:59.420welcome back into the stone zone in a major blow for election integrity a federal judge in georgia
00:15:08.840has refused to order the fbi to return 2020 election ballots and materials that were seized
00:15:16.100in a raid on the folson county election board warehouse keeping alive a federal investigation
00:15:22.220into one of the most controversial election jurisdictions in the united states
00:15:26.260U.S. District Judge Jean-Paul Boulay ruled that Fulton County officials failed to prove the FBI acted with callous disregard for the county's rights when agents executed a court-authorized search warrant earlier this year.
00:15:41.640I point out that officials with the Fulton County Board of Elections admitted under oath before a state senate committee that there were at least 35,000 votes cast in Fulton County that included no serial numbers and no signatures.
00:20:11.180I've always been very suspicious about that.
00:20:13.640First of all, you have the fact that the New York,
00:20:16.580the very respected New York medical examiner,
00:20:19.900Michael Baden was retained by Epstein's family to examine Epstein's body, and he said that the
00:20:26.240broken bones in Epstein's neck were not consistent with hanging. I note that Baden had personally
00:20:33.580performed autopsies on over 1,000 hanging victims or those who died from hanging. Secondarily,
00:20:42.280there is, of course, the question that why would he retain the very well-known criminal defense
00:20:48.720attorney david shown on thursday if he was going to kill himself on saturday now you add to the
00:20:55.900fact that the two prison guards who were in charge of monitoring him both fell asleep and the cameras
00:21:04.300that should have been monitoring epstein 24 7 just happened to be malfunctioning now to me the whole
00:21:11.760thing seems extraordinarily fishy. And now an alleged suicide note from the deceased pedophile
00:21:18.760Jeffrey Epstein has surfaced, raising new questions in a case that still has left the
00:21:23.680American people with many such questions. The note, published by the New York Times,
00:21:29.220reportedly says they investigated for months and found nothing, and adds,
00:21:34.200it is a treat to be able to choose one's time to say goodbye. Epstein, of course,
00:21:39.220was found dead in his Manhattan jail cell in August of 2019 after being arrested on sex
00:21:45.440trafficking charges. The note was reportedly recovered by his former cellmate, Nicholas
00:21:51.400Tartaglione, who was a former police officer later convicted of killing four people. Tartaglione
00:21:58.020said he found it inside a graphic novel that the two men had shared and turned it over to his
00:22:04.440attorneys to show that he was not responsible for Epstein's death. The note had apparently
00:22:10.200remained sealed in court files connected to Tartaglione's case. Epstein had previously been
00:22:16.440placed with Tartaglione after an earlier apparent suicide attempt and then later removed after
00:22:23.100claiming Tartaglione tried to kill him. President Trump signed legislation in November of 2025
00:22:29.520requiring the release of the Epstein files and millions of documents
00:22:33.700have surfaced in the months since, including flight logs and disturbing materials.
00:22:38.140Among those things that have surfaced are over 1,900 emails
00:22:43.420between Steve Bannon and Jeffrey Epstein.
00:22:46.880It's very clear that Bannon, according to those emails,
00:22:50.180was not only harshly critical of Donald Trump,
00:22:52.780actually supporting his removal under the 25th Amendment,
00:22:55.940but more precisely was working closely with Epstein to rehabilitate the child sex traffickers' public image
00:23:03.880after he was convicted of sex crimes in Florida back in 2005.
00:23:10.480He was then, of course, ultimately indicted in 2019 by the Trump administration on two counts,
00:23:18.680One count of child sex trafficking and a second count of conspiracy to engage in child sex trafficking.
00:23:26.960And therefore, I have to wonder when the FBI director, Kash Patel, says, as he has said publicly,
00:23:32.540that he has seen no evidence whatsoever that Epstein engaged in child sex trafficking other than trafficking children for his own sexual exploitation.
00:23:43.260What was shown to the grand jury in 2019?
00:23:45.620I mean, grand juries don't indict people without being shown some evidence.
00:23:51.140So that statement makes no sense to me.
00:23:54.400More importantly, however, efforts by then Attorney General Pam Bondi to release everything shown to the grand jury in 2019,
00:24:04.160as well as the material shown to a Florida grand jury back in 2005, were denied by judges, Democrat judges.
00:24:13.220So the public remains unconvinced about this case, as do I, with the federal government lying to us for so long, lying to us about the Vietnam War, lying to us about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, lying to us about the assassination of Senator Robert Kennedy, lying to us about the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, lying to us about the COVID-19 pandemic.
00:24:39.180it's not surprising that the American people doubt they're being told the truth about Jeffrey Epstein.
00:24:44.420And as Epstein's pedophile network remains unindicted, charged with no crimes, and free to continue to roam the streets,
00:24:51.960it's difficult to say we have the rule of law in this country.
00:24:57.000It extends, as I say, to the COVID-19 genocide crew led by America's Mengele, Dr. Anthony Fauci.
00:25:03.880Not to mention the Russian collusion collaborators, which went all the way up to Barack Hussein Obama himself, the guy who earlier in the show I mentioned is now demonizing about the weaponization of the criminal justice system when nobody weaponized it like he did.
00:25:21.460It's interesting because President John Adams, President John F. Kennedy, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and President Abraham Lincoln all very specifically directed their Department of Justice to indict certain individuals.
00:25:35.340And there are some legal scholars who argue that the president, as the chief law enforcement officer in the executive branch, has the full authority to do so.
00:25:45.320So instead, he would not get ahead of the president.
00:25:49.880I think that it's amazing that none of these people are behind bars when they all should have been locked up.
00:25:56.300It's amazing to me how quickly they were able to frame me for lying before Congress regarding Russian collusion that never actually happened and how they successfully suppressed Robert Mueller's final report when when my defense attorneys in my own trial asked for that report.
00:26:16.820By the way, the Constitution says that anyone who's criminally charged is entitled to see all evidence against them.
00:26:24.080Judge Amy Berman Jackson refused to give my defense attorneys Robert Mueller's final report because in the copy released to the public, all portions regarding me had been fully and completely redacted.
00:26:38.100The judge said that she would review the document in her chambers, essentially in camera, and give my lawyers those sections which pertain to me.
00:26:47.420She gave us a small amount of information that didn't make much sense, but she seems somehow to have missed page 168.
00:26:55.200We only know about this because a federal judge, based on a lawsuit brought by BuzzFeed, ordered the full, unredacted report to be released by the Justice Department.
00:27:07.940And the day they chose to do that by press release was Election Day in 2020 at midnight.
00:27:13.760So, in other words, the busiest media day of the year in an effort to make sure that nobody noticed.
00:27:19.340You can see why I'm somewhat skeptical about this suicide note and skeptical about anything that the federal government tells us.
00:27:28.280Meanwhile, border czar Tom Homan has stated that President Trump is being lobbied hard by certain advisors who are urging him to offer some form of legal status to illegal migrants.
00:27:39.540This prospect should set off alarm bells across the country.
00:27:42.780asked by CBS whether he would support a compromise
00:27:45.820giving legal status to millions of illegal immigrants
00:29:32.620The reason Joe Biden had an open borders policy was he and his party tended ultimately to citizenize all of those people, paving the way for socialism, misery and squalor.
00:29:45.120Business groups are already pushing schemes like the so-called Dignidad bill pushed by Congresswoman Maria Elvira Salazar and by liberal Republican Mike Lawler from the Mid-Hunson Valley, which would keep cheap migrant labor flowing for industries that refuse to invest in American workers and allow them to keep wages depressed.
00:30:09.960It's the fundamental promise that united President Trump's coalition.
00:30:13.880Anyone inside the administration pushing legal status for illegal migrants is pushing political poison, in a sense, and national decline.
00:30:21.580Yet, at the same time, I myself am torn.
00:30:24.000I do think we have to be reasonable about those who have been here, once again, for 20 years or more, never broken the law, paid taxes, and lived in a civil society.
00:30:36.180Any special interest lobbyist promoting amnesty should be personified on grad at the White House in Mar-a-Lago,
00:30:41.720According to some, we need to let Tom Holman loose, allow him to remove as many of the dangerous illegals as possible and keep the promise to the voters.
00:30:51.300But again, the priority must go to those who are here illegally and have a criminal record in their country of origin or here in the United States.
00:31:00.960I saw Secretary of State Marco Rubio yesterday, minutes before he left, to go to Rome to meet with Pope Leo at the Vatican in a significant step toward bringing the Trump administration and the Catholic Church back into closer alignment after recent tensions that were exacerbated in the fake news by biased coverage.
00:31:22.040Rubio spent roughly two hours at the Vatican meeting with both the Pope and Cardinal Pietro Perolin, the Vatican's Secretary of State.
00:31:30.580The State Department said the discussions focused on the Middle East, the Western Hemisphere, humanitarian efforts, religious freedom, peace, and human dignity.
00:31:40.840This matters because the Catholic Church remains one of the most important moral and diplomatic institutions in the world,
00:34:39.640I cannot overemphasize the extent to which the recent Supreme Court just decision regarding the fact that you cannot use race as a factor in the drawing of congressional districts is going to affect the 2026 election.
00:34:54.420The Tennessee House has now approved a new congressional redistricting plan that could actually eliminate the state's lone Democratic seat in Washington.
00:35:03.800After days of debate and a special session, the House passed the proposal 64 to 24.0.91
00:35:09.700The map would divide Democrat-controlled Memphis into three congressional districts,
00:35:14.200reshaping a seat that has long been held by a Democrat.
00:35:16.960It was a Democrat stronghold under the guise of minority-majority rules
00:35:21.860that were recently declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
00:35:25.900Democrats immediately called the move racist, which may have caused Republicans to flinch in the past,
00:35:31.220but not so much anymore after Virginia Democrats put on the ballot a measure that would change that congressional delegation from 6-5 Democrats to Republican to 10-1 Democrats to Republican.
00:35:47.800That is being reviewed for its constitutionality as we speak.
00:35:52.700This Tennessee proposal now heads to the state Senate where there is a massive supermajority of Republicans.
00:35:58.580If approved, it would then go to Governor Bill Lee, who has already signaled that he would support the new map.
00:36:05.680Governor Lee said lawmakers have a responsibility to ensure that Tennessee's districts accurately reflect the will of Tennessee voters and remain fair, legal, and defensible.
00:36:16.300The fight comes as both parties now are battling over congressional maps ahead of the 2026 midterms.
00:36:22.280Republicans have finally moved aggressively in states like Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Alabama
00:36:28.720to have the actual maps reflect the population.
00:36:32.980Democrats pursued their own map changes in places like California, Colorado, and as I see it, Virginia.
00:36:39.520So the outrage from the left rings pretty hollow.
00:36:42.440They're just mad that the Republicans will finally be playing the game the same way the Democrats have done so.
00:36:48.140In fact, Democrats have already gerrymandered in states like Illinois and Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and others to ensure that there are no Republican seats in those states.
00:37:01.000There's not many more places they can do so.
00:37:03.340By the way, the term gerrymandering, it comes, it was named after a Democrat legislator in Massachusetts whose last name was Jerry.