Roger Stone joins Alex Blumberg in The Stone Zone to discuss his new book, "The Dark Side Of: How the Deep State Helped Donald Trump Win the 2020 Election" and how the Deep state conspired to delegitimize Trump s presidency.
00:03:58.540Well, one of the things that tips it off are the people who are involved, the people who've been talking about this since at least January 2024.
00:04:09.200What was interesting was that even back then, they'd anticipated or gamed out the possibility of a Trump victory in November 2024.
00:04:18.980And so they reasoned that since the deportation operation was going to be so big on Trump's agenda, that this was also a place where they could attack Trump.
00:04:33.180And the way that they would attack Donald Trump is what we're seeing today.
00:04:36.740The first part is to get people out on the street.
00:04:42.580And there's many other people who have covered this, who have said who are the people who are involved, who are paying to put people on the street.
00:04:51.620And that would prompt the president to call out National Guard units as well as regular military units.
00:05:02.360And that's what we're seeing in Los Angeles.
00:05:04.060Then the design is to have people inside the Pentagon object to Trump's moves, and that will split the Pentagon and presumably split the armed forces and destabilize the American government.
00:05:19.140The people in there, the people who are involved or behind this are some familiar names, including a man named Mark Elias, who was then who was formerly a lawyer at Perkins Coy.
00:05:29.400And he was the person who essentially funded the Steele dossier.
00:05:34.640Another one of these people is a woman named Rosa Brooks, who was an Obama Pentagon official.
00:05:39.820And she was behind the Transition Integrity Project, which basically gamed out the election irregularities and what that would lead to, including not just the election, but the aftermath where Trump supporters would be rolled up.
00:05:56.900Then another person is someone, Roger, I suspect that your audience that will know her name, too.
00:06:04.180And she was she was a Justice Department official and she was lead on the, you know, this unlawful investigation of Donald Trump, the Russia collusion probe.
00:06:15.900After that, McCord has worked in a variety of places, including I believe that she worked for Adam Schiff for a brief period.
00:06:23.520And then she was on the January 6th committee attacking, impoverishing and imprisoning Trump supporters or helping to impoverish and imprison Trump supporters.
00:06:33.240So all these names are pretty well known to people.
00:06:36.300And these are the same people who have been writing about this, the same people who have been war gaming this.
00:06:42.220And what I mean about war gaming, they've been war gaming these protests, how they would spread, how they would grow bigger, how the president would be compelled to invoke all sorts of different statutes to send out the to send out.
00:06:56.560Not just not to bypass governors who would not cooperate like Gavin Newsom and also to send out regular military units.
00:07:04.380So I'm concerned that what we're seeing unfold right here is something that these people, anti-Trump plotters, have been, again, planning since at least January 2024, probably much earlier.
00:07:17.760Yeah, I'm very familiar with almost everyone on the list.
00:07:20.580Mark Elias appeared at my trial on behalf of the Democrat National Committee and made a motion granted by the judge that the so-called crowd strikes memo, which allegedly proved that the Russian intelligence had hacked the DNC, not be released to my defense attorney.
00:07:41.180If you're just tuning in, folks, we're talking to Lee Smith.
00:07:44.000Yes, President Donald Trump said, Lee Smith is a great American patriot who has understood that the threat from the beginning, the radical left, is the true threat to our democracy.
00:07:55.340I urge you to get his new book, Disappearing the President.
00:07:59.200He also writes regularly for the Tablet magazine.
00:08:02.620He has a new piece up now that ties what we are seeing unfolding before our very eyes to this group of radicals.
00:08:11.200I think Lee and I both agree that the Russian collusion hoax is the greatest single dirty trick in American politics.
00:08:20.840It is an abuse of power in which the full authority of the United States government and the incredible capability of our intelligence agencies was utilized using two pieces of evidence that they knew from the beginning were fraudulent.
00:08:39.120The so-called Steele dossier, which alleges that Donald Trump frolicked with Russian prostitutes when visiting Moscow as a private citizen, was a total fraud, paid for by Hillary Clinton, whose campaign actually paid a fine for trying to disguise the payments for that document as legal fees rather than what they really were.
00:09:01.600And, of course, the false claim that the Russians hacked the DNC.
00:09:06.560This is a figment of John Brennan's imagination that they built an entire federal investigation around.
00:09:15.420Let me just ask you, you asked me this, Lee, I'm going to ask you, how do you think President Trump is doing overall fighting these pernicious influences, both inside and, sadly, inside his own government?
00:09:30.060Well, I think he's doing a terrific job.
00:09:34.460And I'm, you know, I think that Secretary Hegseth over at the Pentagon is doing a great job, too.
00:09:42.840And, you know, I mean, there's been some issues over there, not due to the secretary himself, but there's, you know, there's been some people who appear to be leaking against them or trying to hurt them.
00:09:54.120So, again, I'm just concerned looking at this particular operation since the Pentagon is part of the target, and this is how these people, they gamed it out.
00:10:04.400Their whole point was, and this is a very important thing, Roger, because I suspect that most of your listeners will be thinking that DOD, the uniformed military, is solidly red, solidly behind Donald Trump.
00:10:18.860And there's a lot of them, thank goodness, who are, but there's also a lot of people in there who owe their rank to the Democrats.
00:10:25.920And these people have been curated to become good, blue Clinton, then Obama Democrats.
00:10:33.480That's been going on for about nearly, well, for about 25 years.
00:10:37.700There's a number of different Washington institutions that take young, that take young officers, and the job is to turn them into Democrats.
00:10:46.060So, yeah, there are people over in that building who can cause a lot of trouble for the Trump administration and for Secretary Hegseth.
00:10:54.700So, you know, but I think they've been very much on the ball, and they have the support of, you know, they have the support of God-fearing, patriotic Americans who think it's a terrible thing that even if they don't love Los Angeles or New York or Chicago,
00:11:11.600I think it's a terrible thing that our beautiful American cities are being turned into dangerous, squalid, third-world cesspools, and that this violence is a terrible thing.
00:11:24.160So, they know they have the support of Americans.
00:11:28.760This shrimp and coconut sauce is divine.
00:11:59.020Yeah, you're absolutely right about the fact that it is entirely outdated thinking to believe that there are people inside the upper, middle, and to a great extent, even the lower levels of our military who are not leftists, not globalists.
00:12:13.480I mean, Barack Obama, over his eight years, systematically retired.
00:12:19.040He promoted those who were globalists.
00:12:21.000He retired those who were just straight-head soldiers without any political beliefs or anyone who, God forbid, leaned right or maybe revered the Constitution.
00:12:31.380So, and this is not just true, sadly, of our military, but Donald Trump is still dealing with a captive government.
00:12:39.060I mean, he may name the U.S. Attorney General, for example.
00:12:43.780He may even name the U.S. Attorneys in a given jurisdiction.
00:12:48.200But everyone working below that interim U.S. Attorney is a leftist Democrat activist or a careerist who is a Democrat posing as a civil servant.
00:13:02.960Turning around the government, it's like turning around an ocean liner.
00:13:06.940So, let's take Kash Patel, who's both a friend of yours and a friend of mine, a very good man, I think uniquely qualified for the job of FBI director, largely because he not only served as a government prosecutor, he was the chief of staff of a major department, the Department of Defense, demonstrating he has the administrative experience.
00:13:29.780And he was, of course, the man who led the Russian collusion investigation for Congressman Devin Nunes, who was my first choice for vice president with Donald Trump.
00:13:42.100Not that I don't like J.D. Vance, but I was for—
00:13:44.720That's right. I remember you saying that now. That was great.
00:13:48.440I think speaking to former Congressman Nunes, once he started seeing that groundswell of support, he was surprised and honored, and I think he didn't want—he didn't want nothing to do with it.
00:14:01.120But I remember that now. I'm so glad you mentioned that.
00:14:04.000Well, I just think—look, I think he is uniquely qualified, and I'll tell you why.
00:14:07.520There are very few people who go to Washington for as long as he was there and rise to a powerful position, as he did as the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, who don't lose their souls.
00:14:20.900Devin Nunes is the same guy he was when he left for his first term for Congress.
00:14:25.120He's a patriot. He's a nationalist in the sense that he loves his country.
00:14:54.620But you make a larger point here, and that is there has been this kind of shadow operation that includes Norm Eisen and Andrew Weissman, also known as the single most corrupt prosecutor in U.S. history,
00:15:12.080along with Mary McCord and these others, who are operating, I think, in violation of the Constitution and to abuse their power in the Biden administration, try to lock up Donald Trump, put him in jail, try to bankrupt him, try to keep him off the ballot in all 50 states.
00:15:30.340They call it lawfare, and they're right back to it.
00:15:32.920Norm Eisen, who has to be one of the most odious characters I've ever seen, bragging the other night on how many lawsuits that he's filed.
00:15:40.260So what they do is they go forum shopping.
00:15:43.500So they look for a jurisdiction that has a particularly left-wing activist judge, and then they go there with litigation, which has already been decided in other jurisdictions.
00:15:55.160So, for example, President Trump has the authority to return a violent, illegal immigrant to their home.
00:16:19.160They popped up and said, no, he didn't.
00:16:21.220Now, ultimately, the courts have, when we got to the Supreme Court, in every case so far, the courts have ruled for the president.
00:16:29.040But all of this is designed to delay the president's success.
00:16:34.000And when you add it to the refusal by the head of the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell, who is acting politically to refuse to cut interest rates,
00:16:43.720even though the inflation rate today is almost exactly where it was when they cut them for Joe Biden,
00:16:49.600you see what this is really about, which is to say to stop Donald Trump's agenda, to derail, defund, or dismiss the fundamental changes the American people voted for in the last election.
00:17:07.780It's terrible because, look, I mean, of course, there are political rivalries.
00:20:34.860And it's very I think it's also very important to recognize that we flatter many of our neighbors and fellow Americans to say, well, look, now that things are back to normal, people can see that this is better than living in this madness as it was under Joe Biden.
00:20:52.300Again, we have to keep in mind that Kamala Harris got an awful lot of votes and and those people are still those people are still there.
00:21:06.420It's important that we keep we keep our heads up and see what and see what's going on, because Donald Trump does need does need our support, our vigilance.
00:21:17.080Our country needs our support and our vigilance, because, again, the people who have been targeting Trump for the last decade are not going to give up now for them.
00:21:24.980It's going to get more urgent, more serious.
00:21:27.600And and open borders is a you it's it's a crucial issue for them, just as it is for us, for normal Americans who think that, you know, if you want to come into the country, you should do it legally for them.
00:22:24.660The future of America depends on Donald Trump winning on America, winning this particular fight over over the people who are burning down American cities to get their way and to keep borders open.
00:22:40.140I could not have said it better myself.
00:22:42.400Well, if I'm afraid we have to wrap it up there, I want to thank our guest, Elise Smith and all of you who joined us today in the Stone Zone.