The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - July 29, 2025


Saul Anuzis ｜ 07-28-25

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Roger Stone Troy Smith Jake Novak
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Richard Milhouse Richard Nixon George W. Bush Laura Loomer Joe Biden
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In this episode of The Stone Zone, an investigative journalist reveals that a pro-Palestine operative who was deeply involved in the Russian Collusion hoax has retained his security clearance in the Trump administration despite his long history of subversive behavior.

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00:00:00.000 this is the stone zone with roger stone they went after a guy named roger stone who's sitting
00:00:16.180 in the office and i'll say this in front of roger he's no baby and right now he's cleaner than
00:00:20.900 anybody in this place now as i treated him very unfairly now get him a zone it's the stone zone
00:00:29.100 here's roger stone welcome back you are in the stone zone investigative journalist laura loomer
00:00:37.280 has revealed that mar bittar a pro-palestinian pro-jihadi operative uh who was deeply involved
00:00:45.100 in the russian collusion hoax has retained his security clearance in the trump administration
00:00:50.200 despite his long history of subversive behavior documents declassified last week by director
00:00:57.440 of national intelligence telsi gabber showed that bittar participated in the national security
00:01:02.320 council meeting where russiagate's hoax was actually devised bittar left the obama administration to go
00:01:08.940 work for shifty adam schiff the greatest huckster con man and fraudster to ever grace the u.s congress
00:01:17.020 now providing legal counsel also for the house permanent select committee on intelligence where
00:01:22.820 he helped foment efforts to impeach donald trump it's incredible that bittar continues to retain
00:01:28.400 his security clearance even as president trump has come back into power now bittar is working for
00:01:33.620 senator adam schiff as his chief counsel and national security advisor so he's schiff's man on the inside
00:01:40.720 this is not acceptable acceptable this radical should have no access whatsoever it is time to drain the
00:01:48.740 swamp by removing bittar's security clearance and then perhaps looking seriously into deporting him
00:01:55.420 all right uh joining me now is an old friend sal anusis who uh is uh the president of 60 plus which is
00:02:04.800 the premier american association of senior citizens uh founded by the great jim martin jim martin a legend
00:02:13.080 in uh in uh conservative uh and republican circles one of the pioneers of the early uh modes of
00:02:20.360 communications that built the conservative movement uh my boss at the public service research council
00:02:26.220 from whom i mislearned much jim martin uh elected the first republican u.s senator from florida since
00:02:33.400 reconstruction and the upset victory of congressman ed gurney uh he is one of the greatest americans jim martin
00:02:40.300 of course uh that i have ever known a man who i owe much and uh uh solanusis and i go all the way
00:02:46.540 back to jack kemp's campaign for president uh and now solanusis is involved with 60plus.org the premier
00:02:54.560 senior citizen organization fighting to protect our our social security benefits so welcome to the stone 0.90
00:03:02.200 zone great to be with you roger thank you so in 1960 uh in a landmark uh supreme court case the
00:03:12.280 u.s supreme court ruled that americans have no property rights to their social security benefits
00:03:16.380 and congress can change or even abolish social security benefits at any time so in other words
00:03:23.200 seniors who have paid payroll taxes throughout their entire lives could be left holding the bag
00:03:28.680 when it comes their time for retirement uh this is not just some hypothetical possibility because
00:03:34.380 according to the social security trustees the program is not expected to be able to pay full benefits
00:03:40.540 beginning in 2033 so the organization that you are president of 60 plus uh which you can find folks
00:03:50.680 that 60 plus dot org has a plan to fight this also to fight the false claim that democrats seem to use
00:04:00.820 every two or four years that those evil republicans are planning to cut their social security when 0.87
00:04:06.620 president trump has made it abundantly clear that he opposes any curtailment uh in the social security
00:04:12.720 program so tell us about what 60 plus is doing to fight this outrage well i think you're
00:04:20.520 very important to point out that president trump has come out very strongly in favor of supporting
00:04:25.380 social security not cutting social security for eligible seniors meaning u.s citizens not cutting
00:04:31.480 medicare and medicaid for eligible uh people which is again u.s citizens and so the 60 plus association
00:04:38.440 has been working with members of the house and the senate and the white house as well to not only
00:04:43.840 protect but preserve and strengthen social security by one introducing the social security guarantee
00:04:50.180 act which is basically designed to guarantee that every person who paid in the social security
00:04:55.360 would be guaranteed their payments that they have already paid into this this fund that unfortunately
00:05:01.940 the swamp has been using as a slush fund instead of a trust fund so you know luckily we've got
00:05:08.720 president trump who has made uh very strong statements has been told both the senate senate majority
00:05:14.460 leader thune and speaker johnson that he will not tolerate any cuts to social security and so we're
00:05:20.700 working together to make sure that we actually codify that into law and pass the social security guarantee
00:05:26.460 act which will guarantee that every senior who pays into social security and all of us who have already
00:05:31.580 paid into social security would not lose our benefits if those in washington particularly the big spending
00:05:38.000 democrats get away with you know funding every social program every dei program they can come up with
00:05:43.980 that literally costs americans children and grandchildren a liability that they will not be
00:05:50.020 able to pay off for you know decades to come two important historical footnotes until 1967 the social security
00:05:58.100 trust fund was off limits could not be used for any purpose other than paying social security benefits to
00:06:04.040 those who paid into it but then under lyndon baines johnson became legal for the congress to raid the
00:06:10.880 social security trust fund and raid it they have then in 1971 president richard nixon signed a law that
00:06:19.420 adjusted social security payments based on the cost of living or colas joe biden tried to take credit for
00:06:26.860 that during the last presidential election but in fact the fact that social security payments are calibrated
00:06:32.620 to increase with the cost of living that was done by a republican president richard milhouse nixon
00:06:38.900 this is an important fight with 37 trillion dollars in national debt the pressure to cut social
00:06:47.300 securities is constantly increasing so the social security guarantee act which the folks over at 60 plus are
00:06:55.120 working very hard to codify into law would protect social security from future cuts
00:07:02.180 it's important to note that the bill that sol is telling us about the social security guarantee act
00:07:08.560 specifically excludes illegal immigrants from the guarantee so this law would make sure american 0.60
00:07:16.420 seniors get their social security so they could eat buy medicine and enjoy their retirement the bill 0.99
00:07:23.180 also gives a legal guarantee of social benefits in the face of this mounting national debt and program
00:07:29.500 facing bankruptcy uh sal you and i both know that due to the outrageous federal spending uh that we have
00:07:38.040 experienced uh under sadly both republicans and democrats uh that we're running a multi-trillion dollar debt uh i'm
00:07:46.380 curious to know your opinion of the efforts of elon musk and doge to identify not millions and not billions but
00:07:54.860 literally trillions of dollars in waste fraud and corruption in public spending yeah and i think that
00:08:02.140 the really key point you're making here is that it's waste fraud and abuse in federal spending we're not
00:08:07.980 talking about cutting programs we're not talking about getting rid of um actual aid that is out there for
00:08:14.380 those who need it i think the biggest difference is republicans want to help those who can't help themselves
00:08:19.980 rather than trying to develop a political constituency that will vote for them and we're seeing that over
00:08:25.820 and over again and unfortunately in a bipartisan manner many times where liberal republicans are joining
00:08:32.780 democrats in coming up with programs to basically you know uh pay you know buy peter's vote by paying
00:08:38.940 them you know and it's it's a horrible situation or it and so i think that uh you know what those
00:08:43.580 coaches trying to do right now for instance in medicaid medicare they have found billions billions
00:08:48.620 of dollars of fraud while the program to pay eligible medicare recipients has gone up by six
00:08:54.460 percent so when the democrats use these scare tactics and say republicans are cutting social
00:08:59.420 security cutting medicare cutting medicaid they're just lying and they're willing to lie to the american
00:09:04.620 people and that's what's scary in this political process there are no longer limits to what people are
00:09:10.060 willing to say to get elected and i think you know for the for the good of america it shows like
00:09:15.900 this it's people who are willing to have the honest conversation look into the facts get the background
00:09:21.900 understand the history and realize that it's been conservative republicans for a long time
00:09:26.860 who've been fighting this battle to make sure that seniors are protected that people who built this
00:09:32.380 great country the greatest generation is protected it's you know and our children and grandchildren
00:09:37.980 are going to have a better america live for it and in order to do that we're going to have to make
00:09:42.300 some cuts we're going to have to stop paying for everything and anything under the sun and when
00:09:47.420 you take a look at potentially 20 to 25 million illegal immigrants who have been brought in for
00:09:53.420 political purposes to increase congressional districts and democratic states to help liberal
00:09:59.260 democratic congressmen get elected in swing seat areas this is such a blatant political move
00:10:05.180 and we the taxpayer we the american taxpayer are paying for this blatant political move by the
00:10:10.860 liberal democrats and i think as the american people find out more and more about this as president
00:10:16.620 trump takes these people on with like no apprehension going right at them straight up and talking about
00:10:22.220 the facts that matter i think that uh people in the next election are going to be voting very
00:10:26.940 differently and we're not going to see these close elections like we've seen these last time if americans get
00:10:31.900 out and vote what i really like about the social security guarantee act which has been introduced in
00:10:37.500 previous congresses is that it provides seniors with an ironclad right to their full benefits the bill
00:10:44.060 actually requires the secretary of the treasury to issue a benefit guarantee certificate to each person
00:10:50.220 who's entitled to their benefits from 1988 to 2010 the old age and survivors part of social security
00:10:58.300 ran big surpluses more money was collected in payroll taxes each year than was being paid out in
00:11:04.060 benefits these surpluses were then used to fund general operations the federal government in effect
00:11:09.660 the federal government was living high off the hog on the social security retirement money of people who
00:11:15.340 had paid into the fund in turn the u.s treasury gave old agents of average trust fund special interest
00:11:22.860 non-negotiable bonds they are not the same kind of bonds held by banks or foreign governments or the
00:11:29.580 public essentially they're just ious from the government to itself which are stored in a filing
00:11:35.980 cabinet some places in west virginia they're not real assets they can be used to pay benefits solanusis
00:11:42.380 and the folks at 60 plus by the way you can find them by going to 60 plus that's 60 p l u s not the
00:11:50.300 symbol but the word 60 plus dot org i strongly urge you to join the most vibrant senior citizens
00:11:58.140 protection organization in the united states the american association of retired persons is essentially
00:12:04.780 a money-making scam they're not really fighting for social security recipients the way the folks over
00:12:11.980 at 60 plus association are i strongly urge you to go to 60 plus dot org read about this vital piece
00:12:20.860 of legislation and how you can join the fight to ensure and when it's time for your retirement that
00:12:28.540 the money will actually be there and that you will get paid and if you're already receiving benefits
00:12:34.620 you should know that despite what the democrats tried to say in the big beautiful bill which included the
00:12:41.500 biggest tax cut in american history uh its continuation this coming january uh under that bill 88 percent
00:12:50.300 of americans currently currently receiving social security benefits will pay no tax on it so the scare
00:12:58.700 tactics of the democrats who said repeatedly that that bill would cut social security that was a lie they
00:13:05.340 also said it would cut medicare and they're right it does cut medicare it cuts medicare payments to
00:13:10.380 illegal immigrants who are not legally entitled to such payments there is no greater organization out 0.97
00:13:17.340 there fighting to protect your social security than 60 plus so i'll have to ask you i really do what is
00:13:24.860 it like to work with the great jim martin because uh in my younger days i learned more about politics
00:13:32.060 and how to communicate with conservatives from jim martin and perhaps anyone other than the great richard
00:13:37.500 vigory well you know and richard and jim were very good friends are still very good friends and truly
00:13:44.140 to one of the leaders uh in the conservative movement look it's been a great honor for me uh
00:13:48.700 you know as you know i was the michigan party chairman uh spent my entire life uh in the state
00:13:53.580 of michigan and uh you always heard about jim martin you know this is a guy who literally came up with
00:13:59.020 the when he started fighting the inheritance tax he started using the words the death tax and it really
00:14:04.220 resonated in the press and others picked up the fact that the inheritance tax is a death tax after
00:14:09.740 you've already been taxed before um this is a guy who's very creative who's very bright who's a tireless
00:14:15.740 worker uh who just recently turned 89 years old and is still out there every single day making phone
00:14:23.100 calls meeting with members of congress going to meetings and fighting the fight and uh you know it's
00:14:28.620 an inspiration and i think as as you mentioned you know the impact he had on your life he's had a
00:14:33.740 similar impact on mine and many others uh you know we they did a they did a nice birthday greeting for
00:14:39.820 him a couple years back and even george w bush uh wrote it uh called in and actually sent a video
00:14:45.820 where he mentioned the fact that uh you know jim martin gave his first job as a driver for the gurney
00:14:51.580 campaign that you discussed so jim's had an impact on presidential candidates always since eisenhower
00:14:57.580 he's met virtually every congressman and senator uh for years and has been pushing for lower taxes
00:15:03.580 less spending conservative principles and using the 60 plus association to bring seniors together
00:15:09.660 so they do have an alternative to arp which has become a liberal tool uh for the democrats and liberal
00:15:15.660 public policies to say let's stand up for values that matter to us that we can pass down to our
00:15:20.860 children and grandchildren and this is going to be jim martin's legacy uh he's built a conservative
00:15:25.260 movement that has uh spanned decades and will will last for decades to come all right we have to leave
00:15:31.340 it there i want to thank our guest solanusis and one more time i urge you to go to 60 plus dot org
00:15:36.780 60 plus dot org and check it out this is a fight you need to be in to protect our social security
00:15:44.380 benefits so thanks for joining us today in the stone zone great to be with you and thanks for all you do
00:15:49.660 this is the stone zone with roger stone the stone zone