The key witness in the Jeffrey Epstein case, Ghislaine Maxwell, has been interviewed by the Department of Justice and is now cooperating. What does she have to say about Epstein and what will it mean for the rest of the case?
00:06:44.640They're looking for her to provide self-proving information, documents, travel records, photographs, which she might have in England or in various places that she's lived.
00:06:57.740So she's not going to be valuable just for her own words.
00:07:03.780It'll be valuable to help lead to other things.
00:07:05.900But in the end, it's corroboration and her providing hard physical evidence in addition to her words.
00:07:14.640And that really is the key, hard physical evidence.
00:07:20.100What can she do to prove that she has information that is worthy of, quote, her cooperating with the Trump administration to bring the perpetrators to justice that would prove certain things or disprove certain things, whatever the case is.
00:07:37.520But hard evidence as opposed to just her testimony, because people will say this is someone who has said she's been innocent all along.
00:07:45.480A lot of people say they do not believe her.
00:07:47.660But yet, it sounds like she's singing like a canary because the word just coming out that Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche is saying that he's going to be meeting with her for a second day.
00:07:59.960You think about it, you can get a lot of information out of somebody in a few hours.
00:08:03.780And apparently they spent many hours together today and it will continue tomorrow.
00:08:09.840So here's a little more from Professor Alan Dershowitz of what he thinks may come about or may not come about.
00:08:17.000So in my experience, I know her for a few years.
00:08:20.300I don't know her well, but I know her.
00:08:31.620There are no people, famous people who are in the files like Donald Trump, who did anything wrong.
00:08:38.120You know, we know that they knew each other.
00:08:42.820We know they were at events together in Palm Beach and in New York.
00:08:47.280And we know hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of other people who were with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:08:51.380I used to go to seminars at Harvard where Nobel Prize winners were the president of Harvard, the provost of Harvard, the deans of the schools would sit around with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:09:01.820He would conduct the seminars, talk about evolutionary psychology.
00:09:06.020I remember meeting the guy who decoded the genome, who I'd never met.
00:09:10.180I'd been at Harvard with him for 20 years.
00:09:22.440There are his, you know, other friends who had nothing to do with this.
00:09:26.080Now, if there were people who were on the island when improper sexual conduct was taking place on the island, you know, that might be relevant.
00:09:36.820And the people who would know that might be the authorities in the Virgin Islands.
00:09:42.260And Professor Dershowitz says he knows that island.
00:09:48.580He, of course, says he was not involved in any nefarious activity, but he describes what he saw.
00:09:54.500Remember, you couldn't fly directly to Epstein's island.
00:11:46.960I'm just saying that I never have felt comfortable with the idea that Jeffrey Epstein suddenly killed himself and that the guards just happened to fall asleep and the video just happened to drop out at certain places and case closed.
00:12:02.020There's just way too many questions with that.
00:12:07.920He is the brother of Ghislaine Maxwell, and he was on Pierce Morgan, and he said he also has some questions about whether or not Jeffrey Epstein was killed.
00:12:21.140And again, this is the brother of Ghislaine Maxwell, who's actually very close to her.
00:12:26.140So does he know something maybe that needs to come out or does she, that she relate to him?
00:12:31.500You say yesterday that you're in lockstep with the administration on the Epstein files, but it doesn't seem that you're in lockstep with all of your House Republicans.
00:12:40.700Thomas Massey, who's just saying in the past hours, is he going to come back and invite him?
00:12:45.380And that's somebody there whispering in the background.
00:12:49.100I bet there was a lot of whispering, by the way, when everything happened with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:12:56.960But what he essentially said, guys, was that he doesn't really believe that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
00:13:04.700He also brought up Dr. Michael Bodden, who is the foremost forensic pathologist.
00:13:11.120And what happened in that particular case, Dr. Bodden did the autopsy.
00:13:16.380And he determined this was not for the state.
00:13:20.480This was a private autopsy, but he made sure that he was there on behalf of the family.
00:13:24.320And he's I know Dr. Bodden, he's done some of the biggest cases in American and world history.
00:13:30.500And he came out and said there is no way that those bones would have been broken in the neck, the hyoid bones and other bones, if indeed he strangled himself, if he killed himself by strangulation.
00:13:44.960He said it takes such incredible force that it would have had to have been somebody strangling him, not someone trying to kill themselves and other people who've been in that cell there.
00:13:58.460We've talked to people or we've seen interviews, I should say, of people who have been in that cell.
00:14:03.080And they say that there's nothing they can't even imagine it either.
00:14:08.460They say that there's just no way, given a the way the cameras are, given a the way of what's in that cell physically to be able to do it.
00:14:41.680And we will take your calls when we come back.
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00:15:55.320Well, now the Wall Street Journal is saying that there were a lot of other letters in there, too.
00:15:58.940Of course, letters, including from former President Bill Clinton, also Wall Street billionaire Leon Black, fashion designer Vera Wang and media executive Mort Zuckerman.
00:16:11.640And that was all according to documents per the Wall Street Journal.
00:16:18.040A spokesperson for Clinton referred the Wall Street Journal, by the way, when they called to ask about it to a previous statement that he made where he said he had cut off ties more than a decade before that.
00:16:29.140Or before Epstein was arrested in 2000, 2019, and he said that he did not know about Epstein's alleged crime.
00:16:42.540So he could have just been sending a letter or card, just like Trump was sending a letter or a card.
00:16:48.440Also, apparently, Leon Black, Vera Wang, Mort Zuckerman declining to comment.
00:16:53.780But it clearly shows that there were a lot of people that were writing in this birthday, this 50th birthday sort of album that Ghislaine Maxwell apparently compiled for Jeffrey Epstein on his 50th birthday in 2003.
00:17:11.560So, I mean, it just goes to show that's nothing.
00:17:15.800But let's see what Ghislaine Maxwell has, because, again, the new word tonight is that Attorney General Todd Blanche is going to be meeting with her for a second day.
00:21:04.880And he's going to live large in our hearts forever.
00:21:06.900We will definitely miss the great Hulk Hogan.
00:21:10.800I know many of you have great memories of him, too.
00:21:13.160And I can't wait to hear your thoughts about him tonight as well.
00:21:16.680We're also talking about everything that's happening with Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:21:21.080Because as we're getting word now, there will be a second meeting now tomorrow that it went on for hours today.
00:21:28.980And Ghislaine Maxwell is going to be meeting with Todd Blanche, the deputy attorney general, right under Pam Bondi, again tomorrow at the U.S. Attorney's Office in Florida.
00:21:38.380And I mentioned earlier that Ghislaine Maxwell's brother has also been pretty suspicious in terms of, skeptical, I should say, in terms of what really happened to Jeffrey Epstein.
00:22:40.660And the pathologist that was brought in by the Epstein family did not consider that the injuries to Epstein's neck were conclusive of suicide.
00:22:53.900And he thought it was more likely that it was homicide.
00:22:58.820And he's talking about Dr. Michael Bodden, who I know very well.
00:23:02.040By the way, it's Dr. Michael Bodden's birthday today.
00:23:22.100Sheila, boy, oh, boy, your thoughts tonight.
00:23:24.520Now that we're hearing that this meeting with Todd Blanche is going to carry over into tomorrow, it sounds like she's chirping like a bird.
00:23:46.700I believe it was murder, but we may never know.
00:23:49.920And also about Hulk Hogan, I was so shocked to hear about his death.
00:23:54.800And I hope he rests in peace and is happy up in heaven.
00:23:58.880What made Hulk Hogan such an iconic, lovable brand to you?
00:24:05.460Like, is there, you know, just when he came out, I'll never forget, because I was there in the room both times when he came out and he, like, tore off the shirt and, you know, the fireworks are coming out and the flames and the music and, you know, the I Am American.
00:24:21.400I mean, in fact, I think we have that song, too.
00:26:03.080And you can just see him coming out there with, you know, with the boots on, the bulked up, throwing Ivan the Terrible, throwing whoever it is around in the ring.
00:26:46.960And by the way, back to your point also about Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:26:49.880I do hope you're right that she stays safe.
00:26:52.560I am not convinced that she is indeed, you know, I'm sure they're watching her.
00:27:00.060I feel like it's such a visible situation.
00:27:02.980But given that I have questions about Jeffrey Epstein and you just mentioned you do, too.
00:27:08.780I hope that she is well protected and careful.
00:27:13.160I think it's interesting that if she does have something important, why didn't she bring it up before?
00:27:19.500Although she has said all along she's innocent.
00:27:21.880So if indeed she is innocent, I mean, she's been accused by a number of these women.
00:27:28.140In fact, in the last trial, I think there were four women that came forward and some of them said that she even participated, not only organized, but also participated.
00:28:07.240And we just heard also from Professor Dershowitz that it's got to be something of substance.
00:28:11.920You can't you have to have something to trade.
00:28:13.680You can't just say, here's what I believe.
00:28:15.380She's going to have to have some physical proof evidence because she is so vilified, you know, from at least everything that was heard from these victims and also from the trial.
00:28:28.880So if I'm always open that, you know, people deserve a fair trial and a fair chance.
00:28:33.940But she's got to have something a extremely important that would turn things around for them to reduce her sentence or to do something like that, because especially because she is so vilified.
00:28:46.960It has to be something of physical evidence or some information or even if she's turning everything on him.
00:28:57.160Here are the people who perpetrated crimes.
00:28:59.820And again, I say this to you guys, whether they're known or unknown.
00:29:03.160I don't care if they're known or unknown, if they're monsters, they're monsters.
00:29:07.260And if somebody did something inappropriate to, you know, especially underage individuals and participated in human trafficking, throw the book at them.
00:32:00.440And if it is, you know, hard, concrete evidence, let's see what you got.
00:32:05.380Joe, what do you make of the new news, too, tonight that's coming out that the Wall Street Journal is talking about?
00:32:10.160What other people who wrote this, these birthday cards for Jeffrey Epstein?
00:32:15.040I mean, you know, when they came out, when the Wall Street Journal came out, they like made it sound like it was some big bombshell, you know, that Trump has, you know, wrote this letter to Jeffrey Epstein.
00:32:25.540First of all, it didn't sound very revealing to me, for one.
00:32:28.700But now they're saying all these other people wrote, you know, birthday cards, too.
00:32:33.720I mean, to me, it's ridiculous that they made it out to be like some big scoop.
00:32:39.180And now it's a whole bunch of other people.
00:32:41.620Vera Wang, Mort Zuckerman, who used to own the New York Daily News, a great business guy, former President Bill Clinton.
00:32:50.520I mean, there's a number of names in there that wrote birthday cards, too.
00:32:55.380I mean, I think that puts it in perspective, right?
00:32:58.700Well, I worked for the New York Post, so I think that Mr. Rupert Murdoch is so jealous of of Donald Trump that he's that he actually urinates green because he he is jealous as could be.
00:33:15.980He screwed up the election in 2020 by by calling or not calling the state.
00:33:21.440So you wait, wait, wait, you think hang on.
00:33:23.320You think there's like a like a competition.
00:33:26.020See, I don't I don't think there is that.
00:33:29.100But I think and there may be, by the way, you know, there may be like a competition, you know, big businessmen.
00:33:37.120And I wouldn't be the first that you'd hear, you know, two big personalities and big business people and big leaders competing against each other.
00:33:45.960On the other hand, I just want to get back to the Wall Street Journal reporting because they did make it sound like, oh, it's this big scoop.
00:33:54.120And now we're finding out that there's other people, you know, that are other business folks that happen to have written letters.
00:34:01.440It certainly puts it in a lot of context, which is what I thought the context was to begin with.
00:34:06.460So I think I think, you know, I don't I don't you know, when you have information, I think it's important to also put it in the right context.
00:34:14.680I mean, it sounds like, oh, this is the big scoop.
00:34:18.000Well, other people wrote, you know, if I wrote a birthday card to somebody, you know, 10, 15 years ago, 20, 30 years ago, you don't expect it to come out here.
00:34:26.120And somebody else wrote some other birthday card and it was something funny or whatever.
00:34:30.560I think that was blown totally out of proportion.
00:34:32.940And I think this new news we're hearing tonight puts it all into perspective.
00:36:09.740Thank you so much for putting me on the call.
00:36:13.200I just want to say, I remember listening to an episode of Roger Stone where you said that Epstein's injuries were not consistent with strangling.
00:36:21.700That's one note I just wanted to make.
00:36:23.540But in addition to that, when you, I concur with you, with regard to a relationship, a relationship can be, you know, a very superficial type of thing.
00:36:32.160And it could have been that, yeah, Donald Trump may have had some interaction with him, but it wasn't anything, you know, consistent with a long-term relationship or any kind of a real relationship.
00:36:44.140He might have interacted with him, and at some point he realized, wow, this guy's kind of bizarre, and then he removed himself from the equations.
00:36:52.760But most importantly, I think the reason why, which everybody, most people will concur, that they're going after this and they didn't go after this, they're just trying to put some kind of a bad onus on the president.
00:37:04.520And it's just, it's getting to be so monotonous and obnoxious now, and I don't know when it's going to stop.
00:37:10.860Well, that's why I wonder, Gerard, that maybe this is all one big setup by the president, that he knows it's going to be nothing at the end of the day, and he's leading many in the left-stream media on the garden path.