The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

00:00:00.000 Every week, the Payne family cuts straight to the real financial story.

00:00:04.460 The one question, Bob, everyone's asking is, are we in an artificial intelligence bubble?

00:00:10.080 You've been through boom and busts. What do you think?

00:00:12.860 No hype, no myths, just what actually matters to your money.

00:00:17.440 Does feel very similar to what we experienced in the 90s. Where are we,

00:00:21.460 though? Are we in 1995, 1997, 1999?

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00:00:36.840 Hello, everybody. It's not Roger Stone. I love Roger Stone.

00:00:41.320 Man, that guy. Total genius.

00:00:45.180 Totally best-dressed dude in the world. Makes Prince Charles look like a slob.

00:00:50.720 This is Greg Kelly, his good friend, who has been acknowledged as a pretty well-dressed fellow himself.

00:00:57.560 Although, Roger is basically based in New York.

00:01:01.040 And I'm based in... No, wait. No, he's in Florida. I'm in New York.

00:01:04.920 And we really don't... He doesn't see me when I'm not dressed up.

00:01:10.060 I kind of roll in.

00:01:11.880 I have more of a casual approach.

00:01:15.520 It looks like I just got back from hiking pretty much any day of the week until I go on the television.

00:01:20.900 Then I do spruce up a little bit.

00:01:23.440 But, Roger, thank you.

00:01:25.520 Thank you for everything you've done for this station and really for the country.

00:01:30.680 What he did for Donald Trump.

00:01:35.160 Absolute heroism. Absolute heroism.

00:01:37.760 I feel the same way about, gosh, you know, Rudy Giuliani.

00:01:41.540 He did more for this country.

00:01:43.420 He was great on 9-11, but this country really happened in service of President Trump during the first term,

00:01:51.180 during the wilderness years, and to this day.

00:01:55.040 I look forward to Rudy getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

00:01:57.660 And maybe, who knows, Roger Stone as well.

00:02:00.720 All right.

00:02:01.520 The shooting of the woman in Minneapolis, right?

00:02:07.360 That tells the whole story.

00:02:08.900 A woman shot by ICE.

00:02:11.300 An American citizen gunned down by federal agents.

00:02:16.760 She was a terrorist. Terrorist. Terrorist. 1.00

00:02:20.720 She was a bad person.

00:02:22.300 Well, I don't know if she was bad in every sense.

00:02:24.160 I'm sure she had her good points, and I'm sorry she's dead.

00:02:26.420 Never in a million years would I have parked in the middle of the street.

00:02:31.900 Even if I just wanted to get out of my car, I couldn't find a parking spot.

00:02:35.340 Can you imagine ever in a million years doing that?

00:02:38.760 Now, throw in, block the street so that the federal officials can't do their job.

00:02:44.760 If this were January 6th related, right?

00:02:46.960 Well, the left would be celebrating.

00:02:53.260 And it's really a wild moment.

00:02:55.720 It feels a little bit like the O.J. Simpson matter.

00:02:59.060 In that, you might recall, if you're old enough,

00:03:02.840 white people were dismayed, and black people were ebullient. 0.64

00:03:10.700 They jumped up and down.

00:03:11.860 They were so happy that O.J. was found not guilty.

00:03:14.320 Now, I know there were lots of exceptions, right?

00:03:16.880 We're painting with a broad brush here.

00:03:19.020 Today, it's kind of similar.

00:03:21.580 It's not along racial lines.

00:03:23.340 It's along political lines, ideology.

00:03:27.040 Republicans, basically, conservatives, MAGA.

00:03:30.260 I like to think regular people, sensible people, can look at this video and say,

00:03:35.220 yeah, I can see why the officer had to shoot that lady. 0.99

00:03:37.620 And liberals, leftists, weirdos, they don't get it.

00:03:43.700 And I do mean weirdos.

00:03:45.740 You know, I used to, well, you don't want to say that about half the country.

00:03:47.900 Well, look at what they've embraced.

00:03:50.760 Look at what they're into these days.

00:03:53.160 Joe Biden, every state of the union talked about trans kids.

00:03:57.860 Trans kids for these people is some sort of civil right.

00:04:01.140 Wow, it's so perverted and weird.

00:04:04.740 So, they are a perverted and weird and totally out of it.

00:04:09.360 Look, the debate in a weird way already exonerates the officer.

00:04:15.320 If you have the entire country looking at the same video and seeing, you know,

00:04:20.020 one side says this, the other side says that,

00:04:22.640 then the default is what was the officer thinking?

00:04:25.560 What was the ICE officer thinking?

00:04:27.660 Did he feel in danger?

00:04:29.300 Did he feel that way?

00:04:31.360 Because if you look up the George Floyd criminal justice reform act

00:04:35.520 that they passed in the wake of George Floyd's demise.

00:04:39.760 Oh, gosh, I was so sad.

00:04:41.520 Oh, the drug addict criminal.

00:04:44.100 Oh, by the way, he wasn't murdered.

00:04:47.240 All right.

00:04:48.560 One of the biggest fantasies ever created.

00:04:51.320 And also psychological operation.

00:04:53.420 A crime on this country.

00:04:54.900 We can talk about that some other time.

00:04:57.680 Chauvin's innocent.

00:04:58.360 And he should be let go or what?

00:05:02.440 I don't think he's eligible for a pardon because it's in a state prison.

00:05:05.980 Anyway, it goes to the officer's feelings.

00:05:09.920 If he perceived if he had a if a reasonable person could perceive that they were in serious danger of serious injury or death,

00:05:19.180 they have the right to use deadly force.

00:05:21.780 Look, I want to go to J.D. Vance.

00:05:25.020 We haven't seen J.D. Vance a lot lately.

00:05:27.160 Where has he been?

00:05:28.540 The inside word was he was a little bit not so cool with the Venezuela stuff.

00:05:33.720 And people saw maybe Marco Rubio is the I don't know what's going on.

00:05:39.080 That's palace intrigue.

00:05:40.060 Every administration has their palace intrigue.

00:05:42.440 But I saw J.D. Vance today.

00:05:43.720 He was great.

00:05:45.020 And went into the the briefing room and just let it rip.

00:05:50.980 Well, being part of the network doesn't justify being shot.

00:05:55.500 But ramming an ice officer with your car, that's what justifies being shot.

00:05:59.780 It's not a good thing, by the way.

00:06:00.960 But when you force somebody to engage in self-defense, it's almost a preposterous question.

00:06:05.820 Wow, that's pretty that's pretty effective.

00:06:11.280 That's really good.

00:06:12.800 We have another one.

00:06:13.860 I'd like to hear a little bit more J.D. Vance.

00:06:16.200 When I was actually walking out here, somebody sent me a photo of a CNN headline about what happened in Minneapolis.

00:06:24.720 And this is the headline.

00:06:25.780 I'm just going to read it.

00:06:27.540 Outrage after ice officer kills U.S. citizen in Minneapolis.

00:06:31.760 Well, that's one way to put it.

00:06:34.340 And that is the way that many people in the corporate media have put this attack over the last 24 hours.

00:06:39.760 And I say attack very, very intentionally because this was an attack on federal law enforcement.

00:06:45.460 This was an attack on law and order.

00:06:47.120 This was an attack on the American people. 0.83

00:06:49.500 The way that the media, by and large, has reported this story has been an absolute disgrace.

00:06:55.420 And it puts our law enforcement officers at risk every single day.

00:06:59.540 What that headline leaves out is the fact that that very off ice officer nearly had his life ended, dragged by a car six months ago, 33 stitches in his leg.

00:07:10.480 So you think maybe he's a little bit sensitive about somebody ramming him with an automobile.

00:07:15.080 What that headline leaves out is that that woman was there to interfere with a legitimate law enforcement operation in the United States. 1.00

00:07:22.160 Now we see why President Trump picked this guy.

00:07:25.200 I saw it right up right away.

00:07:26.580 I didn't need convincing.

00:07:28.580 But he is he's brilliant.

00:07:30.520 He's articulate.

00:07:31.300 He's a good man.

00:07:32.500 And he totally gets it.

00:07:34.760 That was that was wild to see.

00:07:36.840 And all those reporters, they were they should feel ashamed.

00:07:40.840 They have gone off the deep end.

00:07:43.440 They've been defending tyranny.

00:07:45.540 They've been trying to silence people.

00:07:48.980 They don't seem to like freedom very much.

00:07:50.880 It's a it's a strange.

00:07:52.880 You know, I said something yesterday.

00:07:55.060 I don't want to bring up what it was, but I was talking about something on air and I still talk about it.

00:07:59.760 I just don't want to mention what it was, but I got a phone call from somebody and they said, you know, you may not want to talk about that.

00:08:07.620 And they told me the reasons why it would not be prudent to continue to talk about this one issue.

00:08:13.820 And they're talking and they're talking.

00:08:15.300 I said, you know, stop for the past.

00:08:17.860 How long has it been?

00:08:19.820 Six going 10 years, maybe seven, eight.

00:08:23.960 How long has it been?

00:08:24.880 When did the country really go crazy?

00:08:26.260 And people would say, you know, you really you really should lighten up on this January six stuff.

00:08:32.560 You know, it really is not won't be.

00:08:34.440 It doesn't do you any good.

00:08:36.280 Really?

00:08:36.720 You think so?

00:08:37.440 No, you shouldn't bring that up.

00:08:38.640 Shut up. 0.95

00:08:40.580 What made me mad?

00:08:41.860 It didn't make me silent or reluctant.

00:08:44.060 It made me even more.

00:08:45.880 It just made me angry and like a little bit defiant.

00:08:50.760 I mean, a little bit like give me a break.

00:08:52.860 This is a free country, supposedly.

00:08:55.960 And we can say stuff.

00:08:58.280 You know, I tweeted something.

00:08:59.540 I was it also the election.

00:09:01.620 You got to watch out.

00:09:02.360 Don't go too much for Trump.

00:09:03.740 It's DeSantis.

00:09:04.820 I had so many people and these people mean well, you know, like it's in your best interest

00:09:09.800 to say this is in your best interest to not say that you may want to tone it down.

00:09:15.200 Like, I thought this was America and they weren't worried about the audience.

00:09:20.300 You know what they were worried about?

00:09:21.460 Like powerful people, you know, saying, oh, that's that's not a good thing to say or not

00:09:27.560 going with the conventional wisdom of the dominant media.

00:09:31.320 This is a free country and I'm going to enjoy it.

00:09:35.140 Somebody once told me, you got to make your own fun.

00:09:38.200 And and we here at W.A.B.C., we really do that.

00:09:42.600 We really do that.

00:09:44.020 Conservative media is robust and strong, but comparatively speaking, it's still kind of

00:09:49.620 small.

00:09:50.960 Thank God for independent voices like us and all the podcasters out there.

00:09:55.200 And Fox News is so so.

00:09:59.020 Let's face it.

00:09:59.840 Right.

00:10:00.500 They're only Trump.

00:10:01.480 They're only Trump.

00:10:02.360 They're only with Trump when it's safe.

00:10:04.300 They're only with Trump when it's like cool to be with Trump.

00:10:08.200 When it's easy to be with Trump, what was it like to be with Trump on, say, January 7th

00:10:15.380 of twenty twenty one?

00:10:17.200 Huh?

00:10:17.840 What was that like?

00:10:19.400 That was pretty wild.

00:10:20.660 That was a wild time.

00:10:22.020 I did not shut up.

00:10:23.300 I know about January 6th.

00:10:24.760 I know it through and through.

00:10:26.220 By the way, this is imagine January 6th and what happened yesterday in Minneapolis.

00:10:31.680 January 6th, 130 pound, five foot five woman is going through a doorway. 1.00

00:10:36.980 Anyway, she's not armed.

00:10:38.720 She has nothing.

00:10:39.720 She's not in a vehicle.

00:10:41.000 She's got there's one hundred and thirty pounds of her. 1.00

00:10:44.040 Michael Byrd, the lieutenant.

00:10:46.920 Excuse me.

00:10:48.040 I think she's a threat.

00:10:50.300 You assess that?

00:10:52.100 Yeah.

00:10:52.300 Yeah.

00:10:52.560 She was definitely a threat.

00:10:54.160 But so I aimed, I aimed to pull the trigger.

00:10:59.760 He had a real Forrest Gump.

00:11:01.440 No, what?

00:11:01.880 Not Forrest.

00:11:02.980 Who was Forrest Gump's friend?

00:11:04.900 Bubba.

00:11:05.840 Bubba Gump.

00:11:06.540 A real stupid kind of way about him.

00:11:09.280 Bubba Gump.

00:11:10.700 He was more like that.

00:11:11.900 You compare Ashley Babbitt to a two ton vehicle.

00:11:17.940 This woman was driving a two ton vehicle at a police officer in his direction. 1.00

00:11:22.640 That's a threat.

00:11:23.720 If you look at the eye, if you look at the video really up close, Tim Poole and some of

00:11:28.400 other friends have looked at this closer than I did at first.

00:11:33.180 The wheel, you can see, is skidding on the ice and the wheel is pointed straight ahead.

00:11:39.840 She doesn't try to make the turn until, well, after the officer takes his gun out.

00:11:47.140 How about that?

00:11:49.940 It's just an amazing time.

00:11:51.960 They call it an inflection point.

00:11:54.480 Although I seem to remember having like 75 of those over the past three years.

00:11:59.400 So I don't know what that means, but I know this.

00:12:02.360 I hope the officer is sleeping well.

00:12:04.220 I hope he's healthy.

00:12:05.700 I hope the family of the lost person.

00:12:09.000 I've already heard from them.

00:12:10.300 Daily Mail and others are saying things like she shouldn't have been there.

00:12:13.440 It was none of her business.

00:12:14.580 Remember Tim Waltz?

00:12:16.140 Mind your own damn business.

00:12:17.660 Yeah, that's a good idea.

00:12:19.180 I thought that was the Minnesota motto.

00:12:21.320 Mind your own damn business.

00:12:23.200 He said that if your neighbor's kid wants to get gender reassignment, you should stay out

00:12:28.860 of it.

00:12:29.120 And if the parents don't think that's a good idea, well, Minnesota should get involved and

00:12:34.720 make sure that happens.

00:12:35.780 And don't tell the parents all kinds of crazy.

00:12:38.140 No, actually, that is my business.

00:12:41.220 That's the people's business.

00:12:43.540 But getting involved in ice demonstrations when you are.

00:12:47.180 We got to find out if this woman was paid in all likelihood.

00:12:49.820 She was who has time on a weekday morning to screw around downtown yelling at cops. 1.00

00:12:55.060 I mean, she's not even Somali for crying out loud, right? 1.00

00:12:58.260 She was born here.

00:13:00.000 We're going to take a break, right?

00:13:03.240 And Roger Stone.

00:13:06.020 We so appreciate you.

00:13:09.340 What's it like to have the SWAT team show up at your house?

00:13:12.380 Huh?

00:13:13.340 Has that ever happened to you?

00:13:15.200 It could if the Democrats ever get in again.

00:13:17.500 We'll be right back.

00:13:18.240 Every week, the Payne family cuts straight to the real financial story.

00:13:23.940 The one question, Bob, everyone's asking is, are we in an artificial intelligence bubble?

00:13:29.600 You've been through boom and busts.

00:13:31.560 What do you think?

00:13:32.360 No hype, no myths.

00:13:34.540 Just what actually matters to your money.

00:13:36.960 Does feel very similar to what we experienced in the 90s.

00:13:40.440 Where are we, though?

00:13:41.100 Are we in 1995, 1997, 1999?

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00:13:58.100 I desperately want a reporter to go out and ask each of those people, what does ICE stand for?

00:14:04.160 Immigration, Customs, Enforcement?

00:14:06.320 Do you think they all know that?

00:14:07.700 I know some of these people don't know that.

00:14:09.440 I, myself, in 2018, I thought, what is this ICE thing everyone's talking about all of a sudden?

00:14:15.160 My dad was the Customs Commissioner, the U.S. Customs Service, and they merged it.

00:14:19.800 And it changed.

00:14:21.520 I don't like the cursing that I'm hearing from these lower-level people.

00:14:26.600 There's something very coarse about it.

00:14:28.500 And I can be profane.

00:14:31.800 But there's something really wrong with that.

00:14:34.020 This is the result of the sanctuary situation.

00:14:36.360 You want a sanctuary city?

00:14:37.720 This is what a sanctuary, this happens in a sanctuary city.

00:14:42.180 They ordered the cops not to facilitate ICE.

00:14:45.580 And that's why those people were allowed to drive into the middle of the road and hamper their operations.

00:14:51.480 Yes, Mike, how are you?

00:14:55.100 Hi, Greg.

00:14:56.140 Listen, you know, I was a patrolman in the city of New York in the 70s.

00:15:00.440 And the patrol guy wouldn't allow you to shoot at a car unless you were being fired upon.

00:15:04.660 I'm sure your father would even agree with that.

00:15:06.320 Oh, wait a second.

00:15:06.980 Wait a second.

00:15:07.440 You were a patrol guy.

00:15:08.540 What?

00:15:09.740 I was a police officer.

00:15:11.020 Uh-huh.

00:15:11.360 In the 4-6-3, to be exact.

00:15:13.360 In the Bronx.

00:15:14.140 In the Bronx.

00:15:14.960 That's correct.

00:15:15.700 The Bronx.

00:15:16.260 Ryer Avenue, 181.

00:15:17.500 And the patrol guy specifically stated, now again, I'm out a long time, but the patrol guy specifically stated that you couldn't shoot upon a vehicle, even if it was being used as a weapon upon you, unless you were being fired upon.

00:15:33.820 And the other point is, and again, I'm not trying to exonerate this.

00:15:37.660 Before you go any further, life has come a long way since then.

00:15:44.700 Cars are routinely used as weapons.

00:15:47.880 We didn't see that back when you were on the job.

00:15:50.580 We saw that in New Orleans last year.

00:15:53.400 Remember?

00:15:54.460 New Year's in New Orleans?

00:15:56.200 That was a guy in a car.

00:15:58.180 You know, there were no shots coming from that car, so they shouldn't have shot him.

00:16:02.580 Right?

00:16:03.020 He was just driving the car.

00:16:04.300 He wasn't shooting.

00:16:05.720 What about the guy who was driving the rental van down the West Side Highway?

00:16:12.540 Do you remember that?

00:16:13.440 He ran over all those bike riders from Argentina.

00:16:16.700 Remember that terrorism attack?

00:16:18.040 Now, that involved a rider truck.

00:16:21.180 No gun.

00:16:22.940 Is he not supposed to shoot then?

00:16:25.640 Okay?

00:16:26.480 These things happen.

00:16:27.200 There was a Christmas fair over in Germany.

00:16:31.400 This is a, not this past Christmas, this is Christmas before.

00:16:36.260 The patrol manual has been updated, and if you're a police officer and your life is about

00:16:40.760 to end, fire away.

00:16:44.340 Absolutely.

00:16:45.200 And, you know, there's a certain amount of discretion.

00:16:48.500 The rule book.

00:16:49.320 I just, I can't quote the patrol guide now.

00:16:54.340 I wonder if you can quote it verbatim exactly the way it was back then, but if that was the law or the regulation, not a law, but a regulation, obviously it needed to be updated because you can be in a circumstance where a car is threatening your life or somebody else's and no bullets are emerging from it.

00:17:13.900 Fair enough.

00:17:14.960 No, it's not because you know why?

00:17:16.620 It's not.

00:17:17.140 What if there were children playing?

00:17:18.060 What if there were children playing down the block where that car kareemed out of control?

00:17:22.640 Then that car was recklessly gone out of control.

00:17:25.340 No, no.

00:17:25.840 I am really surprised at you.

00:17:27.580 What if there were children?

00:17:29.140 All right.

00:17:29.520 He's supposed to evaluate children.

00:17:32.040 He's supposed to evaluate.

00:17:34.040 He is right there.

00:17:36.320 He's the guy who's about to die.

00:17:38.860 He's the guy.

00:17:39.620 Wait a second.

00:17:40.640 So all of those scenarios I gave you where cars are being used as a weapon, the cop is supposed to say, well, if I shoot and he dies, that car could continue to do something.

00:17:50.680 I am a little bit surprised, my fellow New Yorker, veteran of the four six.

00:17:57.000 But that's the way it is.

00:17:59.820 Thank you.

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00:18:12.780 One of the most powerful people in the world.

00:18:15.240 I'm looking at him right now.

00:18:16.280 J.D. Vance looks great in that suit he's wearing.

00:18:20.340 Guys lost weight.

00:18:21.540 I saw him last Memorial Day.

00:18:23.220 He has definitely lost weight, taking good care of himself.

00:18:25.640 He's speaking at the White House right now.

00:18:27.200 Pump up the volume, please.

00:18:28.360 Our attorney general, first of all, for getting a lot of resources to Minneapolis to start to investigate and prosecute this fraud.

00:18:34.460 Really, at an industrial scale.

00:18:36.500 We've never seen fraud like this in the history of our country.

00:18:39.520 Pam has been doing a great job to get the resources there to uncover it. 1.00

00:18:42.800 But importantly, creating a job like this often takes months, sometimes even longer.

00:18:47.800 When we realized that we needed this associate attorney general position, Pam got this person up and running in about a week.

00:18:54.280 We're going to make the nomination hopefully in the next few days.

00:18:56.920 We'll obviously let you guys know who that is when we do it.

00:18:59.340 I've talked to Senate Majority Leader John Thune, who has promised me swift confirmation for this official.

00:19:03.640 But this is the person who is going to make sure that we stop defrauding the American people.

00:19:09.760 Here's one final thing I'll say about this.

00:19:11.840 I've heard a lot of people say that we need a special counsel to investigate fraud in the United States of America.

00:19:16.880 I actually agree.

00:19:18.000 And that's what this position does.

00:19:19.880 It has all the benefits, all the resources, all the authority of a special counsel, but with two crucial differences.

00:19:26.420 Number one, it will be run out of the White House under the supervision of me and the President of the United States.

00:19:31.480 And number two, it's actually constitutionally legitimate.

00:19:34.800 As you guys may know, the special counsel statute has some major constitutional questions.

00:19:39.020 When we get the bad guys, we want to make sure we get them permanently and they don't have some legal technicality they can get out of,

00:19:45.200 which is why we set it up as an associate attorney general.

00:19:48.260 I'll take some questions, but I want to take just one final observation here.

00:19:51.340 When I was actually walking out here, somebody sent me a photo of a CNN headline about what happened in Minneapolis.

00:19:59.760 And this is the headline, I'm just going to read it.

00:20:02.540 Outrage after ICE officer kills U.S. citizen in Minneapolis.

00:20:06.820 Well, that's one way to put it, and that is the way that many people in the corporate media have put this attack over the last 24 hours.

00:20:14.320 And I say attack very, very intentionally because this was an attack on federal law enforcement.

00:20:19.820 This was an attack on law and order.

00:20:21.440 This was an attack on the American people. 0.83

00:20:23.380 The way that the media, by and large, has reported this story has been an absolute disgrace,

00:20:29.960 and it puts our law enforcement officers at risk every single day.

00:20:33.920 What that headline leaves out is the fact that that very ICE officer nearly had his life ended,

00:20:39.720 dragged by a car six months ago, 33 stitches in his leg.

00:20:44.160 So you think maybe he's a little bit sensitive about somebody ramming him with an automobile.

00:20:48.040 What that headline leaves out is that that woman was there to interfere with a legitimate law enforcement operation in the United States of America. 1.00

00:20:56.040 What that headline leaves out is that that woman is part of a broader left-wing network to attack, to dox, to assault, 1.00

00:21:04.040 and to make it impossible for our ICE officers to do their job.

00:21:07.020 If the media wants to tell the truth, they ought to tell the truth,

00:21:10.040 that a group of left-wing radicals have been working tirelessly, sometimes using domestic terror techniques

00:21:16.300 to try to make it impossible for the President of the United States to do what the American people elected him to do,

00:21:22.460 which is enforce our immigration laws.

00:21:24.720 The President stands with ICE.

00:21:26.360 I stand with ICE.

00:21:27.600 We stand with all of our law enforcement officers.

00:21:30.260 And part of that is recognizing that you people in the media, not everybody in this room,

00:21:34.780 but many people in this room have been lying about this attack.

00:21:37.920 She was trying to ram this guy with her car.

00:21:43.080 He shot back.

00:21:44.260 He defended himself.

00:21:45.560 He's already been seriously wounded in law enforcement operations before.

00:21:49.140 And everybody who's been repeating the lie that this is some innocent woman who was out for a drive in Minneapolis

00:21:54.560 when a law enforcement officer shot at her, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

00:21:58.540 Every single one of you.

00:21:59.540 Questions?

00:22:00.300 Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

00:22:01.720 I wanted to read a quote from Tim Walsh earlier today.

00:22:03.940 He said, when things looked bleak, it was Minnesota's first that held the line for the nation.

00:22:07.920 On July 3rd, 1863.

00:22:10.200 And I think we may be in that moment now.

00:22:12.460 Can you comment on his rhetoric and Mayor Jacob Frye and whether they want to see unrest in Minneapolis?

00:22:17.520 Well, that's very tough rhetoric from a guy who just quit because his fraudulent activities have been uncovered.

00:22:22.520 Look, Tim Walsh is a joke.

00:22:23.860 His entire administration has been a joke.

00:22:25.660 The idea that he's some sort of freedom fighter, he's not.

00:22:28.680 He's a guy who has enabled fraud and maybe, in fact, has participated in fraud.

00:22:32.120 That's what this new assistant attorney general position is going to find out.

00:22:34.880 I don't care what Tim Walsh says.

00:22:36.540 I care about getting to the bottom of this fraud for the American people.

00:22:39.360 And I care about enforcing the nation's immigration laws.

00:22:41.560 That's what we're going to stay focused on.

00:22:43.000 Vice President?

00:22:43.420 I have a related question here.

00:22:45.560 I mean, Democrats have accused ICE of murder.

00:22:47.880 They've said they're targeting Americans.

00:22:49.820 They've told ICE to get the F out of Minnesota.

00:22:52.520 This is going to stoke the fire against ICE agents.

00:22:55.880 And you're talking about ICE agents right now.

00:22:58.000 What, if anything, is the administration going to do to make sure these folks are protected during these protests?

00:23:02.980 But also, should DHS sort of revisit their procedures here?

00:23:07.720 I mean, nobody wants to see an American guilt.

00:23:10.280 Are there changes that need to be made to make sure something like this doesn't happen yet?

00:23:14.620 Look, first of all, of course nobody wants an American citizen to be killed.

00:23:17.720 This is absolutely a tragedy, but it's a tragedy of the making of the far left.

00:23:23.300 They have radicalized a very small segment of the population, taught them that ICE agents are engaging in wide-scale violation of people's rights.

00:23:32.160 What our ICE officers are doing is deporting the millions of criminal aliens that were let in during the Biden administration.

00:23:38.200 So, number one, we have to say, as a matter of leadership, and I would appreciate if the Democrats would join me on this,

00:23:43.560 let's be honest about the fact that we have way too many illegal aliens in this country.

00:23:47.600 Our ICE officers should be supported in doing their job.

00:23:50.520 You're trying to actually marshal the far-left lunatic fringe to engage in doxing,

00:23:57.800 to try to make it impossible for them to enforce the law,

00:23:59.920 and in some cases actually to engage in acts of domestic terrorism against our law enforcement officers.

00:24:04.960 When you talk about different plans, different protocols, different policies, I forget exactly how you asked the question.

00:24:10.360 Here's the simple fact.

00:24:11.260 What we're going to do is make it easier for the American People's Administration to enforce the American People's Law.

00:24:17.700 And that means that Democrats have to stop rallying the mob against legitimate law enforcement operations.

00:24:24.820 And that means that we are going to get tougher, and that's what this AAG position is about.

00:24:29.240 We're going to get tougher at the people who are defrauding the United States by inciting violence against our law enforcement officers.

00:24:37.380 That's one of the things that we're going to do.

00:24:38.780 We've already started that work at the Department of Justice, but we're going to keep on doing it,

00:24:42.580 and this new AAG position is going to kick that into high gear.

00:24:45.820 Sir, Vice President Vance, you just suggested that this woman who was killed, Renee Goode, is part of a broader left-wing network.

00:24:54.400 Who do you think is behind this broader left-wing network?

00:24:57.500 Well, it's one of the things we're going to have to figure out, but here's the way that I put it.

00:25:00.540 When somebody throws a brick at an ICE agent or somebody tries to run over an ICE agent, who paid for the brick?

00:25:06.680 And who told protesters to show up and engage in violent activity against our law enforcement officers?

00:25:12.200 You see just with this most recent terrible incident in Minneapolis, you see friends of this woman's or other people who are eyewitnesses saying basically that she was there to engage in obstruction of a legitimate law enforcement operation.

00:25:25.760 How did she get there? How did she learn about this?

00:25:28.320 There's an entire network, and frankly, some of the media are participating in it, that is trying to incite violence against our law enforcement officers.

00:25:36.180 It's ridiculous. It's preposterous.

00:25:38.160 And part of our investigatory work is getting to the bottom of it.

00:25:40.960 Who's funding it? Who's supporting it? Who's cheerleading it?

00:25:44.000 And of course, if there's a legal activity related to that, we're going to get to the bottom of that and prosecute it where we can.

00:25:49.160 Mr. Vice President, thank you for taking questions today.

00:25:52.980 Is there a risk with you describing her as a deranged leftist, talking about very specific facts of these events, when an investigation is just beginning?

00:26:02.100 Are you preempting a thorough investigation by drawing such conclusions?

00:26:07.100 And have you received any information, beyond the videos we've seen publicly, about this individual per-specific acts that has informed your point of view?

00:26:16.040 Well, first of all, the Department of Justice is going to investigate this.

00:26:20.260 The Department of Homeland Security is already investigating this.

00:26:22.660 But the simple fact is, what you see is what you get in this case.

00:26:26.060 You have a woman who is trying to obstruct a legitimate law enforcement operation. 0.99

00:26:30.400 Nobody debates that.

00:26:31.640 You have a woman who aimed her car at a law enforcement officer and pressed on the accelerator.

00:26:36.340 Nobody debates that.

00:26:37.300 I can believe that her death is a tragedy, while also recognizing that it's a tragedy of her own making and a tragedy of the far left, who has marshaled an entire movement, a lunatic fringe, against our law enforcement officers.

00:26:50.600 I think what is clearly happening here, and it's going to keep on happening unless the Democrats wake up and say, you know what?

00:26:56.440 You don't have to agree with our immigration policies.

00:26:58.580 You don't have to agree with what the president or the vice president believe about immigration enforcement.

00:27:02.440 But why don't you take this to the ballot box?

00:27:04.680 Why don't you vote?

00:27:05.340 Why don't you organize?

00:27:06.740 Instead, what some of them are doing, what some of them are doing is encouraging people to get violent with our law enforcement officials.

00:27:14.220 It's disgraceful, and it's got to stop.

00:27:17.100 Just to follow up on that question, and again, thank you for taking questions, Mr. Vice President.

00:27:20.700 There's clearly a lot of emotion in Minnesota, across the country, over this incident.

00:27:25.480 You're calling Renee Good a deranged leftist. 0.97

00:27:27.920 There's been heated rhetoric that we've also heard from officials.

00:27:30.400 What responsibility do you and the president have to diffuse some of the tension that we are seeing play out in Minnesota, bring down the temperature as this investigation is unfolding?

00:27:39.240 What we have a responsibility to do is to protect the people who are enforcing the law and protect the country writ large.

00:27:45.440 Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you deserve to have the people's laws enforced in the United States of America.

00:27:50.940 Now, again, I'm not happy that this woman lost her life.

00:27:54.620 I'm not happy that this woman was there at a protest, violating the law by interfering with a law enforcement action.

00:28:01.520 I think that we can all recognize that the best way to turn down the temperature is to tell people to take their concerns about immigration policy to the ballot box.

00:28:09.540 Stop assaulting and stop inciting violence against our law enforcement officers.

00:28:13.980 That's the best way to take down the temperature.

00:28:16.000 And we're not, look, we're not going to give in to terrorism on this.

00:28:19.960 And that's exactly what's happening.

00:28:21.120 People trying to antagonize, to commit acts of violence, they throw bricks at them, sometimes they shoot at them, sometimes they dox them, sometimes they go to their place of residence and harass their families.

00:28:31.940 This is classic terrorism.

00:28:33.820 And we cannot say that when a far left fringe is inciting violence against our brave law enforcement officials, that we're no longer going to enforce the law.

00:28:43.620 That's rewarding the very people who are engaged in this garbage.

00:28:46.460 The actual reward that they just got is a new assistant attorney general who is going to prosecute and investigate this stuff even more, even more aggressively than before.

00:28:55.820 President, thanks for taking my question.

00:29:00.240 So the head of Minnesota's investigations agency says that the U.S. attorney's office has essentially cut off the state investigations agency's access to the investigation.

00:29:09.720 What is the precedent for that?

00:29:10.880 And why shouldn't the Minnesota officials on the ground have access and evidence to work on this investigation?

00:29:16.100 First of all, I wish the state officials in Minnesota would investigate why you have so many people who are using their vehicles and other means to actually interfere with a legitimate law enforcement operation.

00:29:26.640 The precedent here is very simple.

00:29:28.100 You have a federal law enforcement official engaging in federal law enforcement action.

00:29:31.940 That's a federal issue.

00:29:33.020 That guy is protected by absolute immunity.

00:29:35.020 He was doing his job.

00:29:36.160 The idea that Tim Walsh and a bunch of radicals in Minneapolis are going to go after and make this guy's life miserable because he was doing the job that he was asked to do is preposterous.

00:29:46.700 The unprecedented thing is the idea that a local official can actually prosecute a federal official with absolute immunity.

00:29:53.880 I've never seen anything like that.

00:29:55.500 It would get tossed out by a judge.

00:29:57.220 So what I'd like Minnesota to focus on is the real issue that they're encouraging people.

00:30:01.660 Minneapolis officials are encouraging people to commit violence against ICE officials.

00:30:05.580 It's ridiculous.

00:30:06.660 It's got to stop.

00:30:07.740 Go ahead.

00:30:08.180 Thank you, Mr. President.

00:30:08.800 Thank you.

00:30:09.520 You said earlier that there's a left-wing network to attack, to docks, to assault, and make it impossible for ICE officers to do their job.

00:30:18.700 You told my colleague just now that there's an investigation going on into that network.

00:30:25.240 Yep.

00:30:25.420 So if everything you say is true, how does being part of that network justify being shot?

00:30:33.120 Well, being part of the network doesn't justify being shot, but ramming an ICE officer with your car, that's what justifies being shot.

00:30:41.700 It's not a good thing, by the way, but when you force somebody to engage in self-defense, it's almost a preposterous question.

00:30:47.780 I'm not saying that funding some of this stuff justifies capital punishment.

00:30:52.720 Nobody would suggest that.

00:30:54.220 The reason this woman is dead is because she tried to ram somebody with her car, and that guy acted in self-defense.

00:31:00.740 That is why she lost her life, and that is the tragedy.

00:31:03.720 Now, there may be other violations of the law and other penalties that are associated with those violations of the law.

00:31:11.240 For example, if you are funding violence against our law enforcement officers, I'm not a prosecutor.

00:31:17.420 My guess is that's not the sort of thing that earns capital punishment, but it should sure as hell earn you a few years in prison if you're funding the effort to try to insult our law enforcement officers.

00:31:27.240 I'm sorry, guys.

00:31:28.620 What's going on here?

00:31:30.100 You guys are meant to report the truth.

00:31:33.360 How have you let yourself become agents of propaganda of a radical fringe that's making it harder for us to enforce our laws?

00:31:40.180 You just asked me a question that presumed that the reason why this woman died is because she was engaged in legitimate protests.

00:31:47.640 She tried to run somebody over with her car, and the guy defended himself when that happened.

00:31:51.140 Next question.

00:31:52.000 The investigation is still ongoing.

00:31:54.080 I said next question.

00:31:55.140 Mr. Vice President, you presumably have watched the video yourself.

00:31:58.760 There's not the slightest doubt in your mind, having viewed it, that the victim, you still believe that she deliberately tried to ram him despite seeing this video?

00:32:10.180 Look, I don't know what is in a person's heart or in a person's head, and obviously we're not going to get the chance to ask this woman what was going on.

00:32:16.700 What I am certain of is that she violated the law.

00:32:19.020 What I am certain of is that that officer had every reason to think that he was under very serious threat for injury or, in fact, his life.

00:32:26.780 What I am certain of is that she accelerated in a way where she ran into the guy.

00:32:32.260 I don't know what was in her heart and what was in her head, but I know that she violated the law, and I know that officer was acting in self-defense.

00:32:38.960 It raises an interesting point, though.

00:32:40.360 Look, if people want to say that we should have a legitimate debate about, you know, what was she really doing, right?

00:32:46.360 Was she panicking when she drove into this officer, or was she actually trying to ram him?

00:32:50.740 That's a reasonable conversation.

00:32:53.340 What's not reasonable is for so many of you to plaster all over the media that this was an innocent woman and that the ICE agent committed murder,

00:33:00.820 which is what many of you have said explicitly and some of you have said implicitly.

00:33:05.220 That's what I have an objection to.

00:33:06.960 The idea that this was not justified is absurd, and I think everybody knows it in their heart.

00:33:11.740 It seems like political violence is ratcheting up and riots could be around the corner.

00:33:20.480 What steps does the administration have planned to try to unite America?

00:33:23.900 Average people on both political sides are so tired of fighting with each other,

00:33:27.260 and I think all the journalists in this room could agree with me that we don't want to be part of the problem.

00:33:32.300 I appreciate that.

00:33:33.280 Do you have any words to unite America?

00:33:35.260 You know, I know you don't want to be a part of the problem, and I think that's true of a lot of you.

00:33:38.360 I'm not sure it's true for everybody,

00:33:39.660 because the reporting over this has been one of the biggest scandals I've ever seen in media.

00:33:43.800 I've never seen a case so misrepresented and misreported when you have a guy who was defending himself

00:33:49.560 and is now being treated as some sort of federal assassin by so many of the people in this room.

00:33:55.420 First of all, let me say about crime.

00:33:57.220 You mentioned violence.

00:33:58.840 One of the things we're proudest about is that you saw violent crime over the last year drop by 20%.

00:34:03.500 Why is that drop by 20%?

00:34:05.740 Is it because we're attacking our law enforcement officers,

00:34:08.300 or is it because we in the administration are empowering our law enforcement officers to enforce the law?

00:34:13.280 I think that's one of the ways you take down the temperature,

00:34:15.200 is you make people feel more secure and safe in their person and property.

00:34:18.940 That's why we care so much about protecting our law enforcement,

00:34:22.020 because it accrues to the benefit of the entire national community.

00:34:25.440 I think that we can absolutely talk about the ways in which we can lower the temperature

00:34:32.440 by discussing differences in a reasonable and rational way.

00:34:36.660 I love it!

00:34:37.940 J.D. Vance on fire!

00:34:40.120 We'll be right back.

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00:34:52.440 Must be wherever the hell he is.

00:34:54.220 He's not happy with this little punk.

00:34:56.740 I can't believe it.

00:34:57.800 Jeopardy.

00:34:58.240 The Jeopardy guy.

00:34:59.400 Hello, Jerry.

00:35:00.340 Hello.

00:35:00.840 Are you there?

00:35:03.840 Yeah, Greg.

00:35:05.320 I'll just give you in a nutshell what I think.

00:35:07.580 So, prosecutorial discretion is the proper route here,

00:35:13.620 meaning that there should be no prosecution,

00:35:16.440 an honest prosecutor in that county, the state now I'm talking about.

00:35:20.040 Federal, I'm not worried about at all, obviously.

00:35:22.640 We'll not prosecute this man, because the state has no interest.

00:35:24.980 Just everything that J.D. Vance has said about the context of what this woman created,

00:35:29.720 and this is a law enforcement agent who's working for the state,

00:35:33.100 and, you know, he's worked for a federal government to talk about the state, large.

00:35:36.380 So, prosecutorial discretion, you would not do this.

00:35:39.740 However, the proper route is they have redressed the family of this woman.

00:35:44.580 It would be civil.

00:35:45.820 And the reason would be we all know negligence.

00:35:48.920 There is a possibility, and this is the route they want to turn into criminal,

00:35:53.160 that they could call it a gross negligence because there are two things

00:35:56.540 that make things go above negligence.

00:35:59.820 And it's this.

00:36:01.480 When you have two dangerous instruments, you have one person has a gun,

00:36:05.460 and let me finish my point, and the other thing is a car,

00:36:09.380 then you have a manual, and they go to the police manual.

00:36:12.420 All right, all right.

00:36:13.300 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:36:17.820 Throw that damn manual away, all right?

00:36:20.240 What trumps everything in that manual, in fact,

00:36:22.300 this is in the George Floyd Criminal Justice Act, sponsored by Democrats,

00:36:27.780 that the use of deadly force is authorized when a law enforcement officer

00:36:34.560 suspects that his life, someone else's life, is at risk of death

00:36:39.780 or serious bodily injury.

00:36:41.840 That trumps basically everything else.

00:36:45.840 So, yeah.

00:36:48.840 And good luck still in the civil of the U.S. government.

00:36:51.360 It's a very difficult thing to do, unless you've got somebody advocating for you.

00:36:55.280 Jerry, I've got to leave it there, but thank you.

00:36:57.840 Marie?

00:36:59.540 Yes, Greg.

00:37:01.460 I agree with you 100%, and J.D. Vance 100%.

00:37:05.720 As the mother and the wife of retired NYPD,

00:37:11.640 ICE is trying to help people.

00:37:14.740 They're trying to save people's lives.

00:37:18.200 How do they say, why do they say that ICE,

00:37:21.360 ICE agents are criminals?

00:37:23.260 How could they say that?

00:37:24.560 When they're putting their life on the line to protect them.

00:37:27.960 And by saying those things,

00:37:30.160 they're endangering their lives.

00:37:33.080 They're making a hard job even tougher,

00:37:35.680 even harder.

00:37:36.960 And it's really a shame.

00:37:39.340 Thank you.

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