The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


The Stone Zone ｜ 02-28-25


Episode Stats

Misogynist Sentences

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Hate Speech Sentences

4


Summary

Trump and Zelensky meet in the White House and get into a dust-up with Ukraine s President Volodymyr Zelenyuk. Trump demands he repay part of the $350 billion that the US has sent to Ukraine.


Transcript

00:00:00.240 Welcome. This is Roger Stone, and you are entering the Stone Zone here on the Red Apple Audio Networks.
00:00:09.540 Here we talk politics. We eat, sleep, and breathe politics.
00:00:14.800 I'm a veteran of 13 national presidential campaigns.
00:00:18.240 I cut my teeth with President Richard Nixon, worked for Governor Ronald Reagan in 1976 as an insurgent challenging Gerald Ford.
00:00:27.420 Then again, when he was successfully elected president in 1980, and then proudly worked on the president's re-election in 1984.
00:00:36.940 It was in the run-up to the 1980 election that I first met Donald J. Trump,
00:00:42.820 and I may be the first person in the country who, in 1988, urged Trump to make a serious bid for the presidency.
00:00:52.280 I saw then that Trump had the strength, the courage, the stamina, and the independence to be not just a great presidential candidate,
00:01:00.800 but a truly great president.
00:01:03.160 I believe he approved it today in a major dust-up in the White House,
00:01:09.380 where Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance essentially double-teamed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
00:01:18.200 Trump set the tone when Zelensky showed up in his usual garb.
00:01:24.840 He was wearing a dirty sweatshirt.
00:01:27.060 Now, I don't get this.
00:01:28.100 We've given this guy $350 million, but he can't wear a suit and tie to meet with the president of the United States?
00:01:37.740 He wore a suit and tie when he addressed the World Economic Forum.
00:01:42.060 I think it is disrespectful both to the president of the United States and to the American taxpayers,
00:01:49.800 who have given his war effort more than $350 billion.
00:01:56.460 Listen to Donald Trump's take.
00:01:58.800 Your country is in big trouble.
00:02:00.440 Can I ask, sir?
00:02:01.200 No, no.
00:02:01.560 You've done a lot of talking.
00:02:03.040 Your country is in big trouble.
00:02:04.860 I know.
00:02:05.500 You're not winning.
00:02:06.320 I know.
00:02:06.480 You're not winning this.
00:02:07.340 You have a damn good chance of coming out okay because of us.
00:02:11.220 Mr. President, we are staying in our country, staying strong from the very beginning of the war.
00:02:15.980 We've been alone, and we are thankful.
00:02:18.120 I said thanks in this cabinet.
00:02:20.200 You haven't been alone.
00:02:20.760 You haven't been alone.
00:02:20.980 We gave you, through the stupid president, $350 billion.
00:02:25.640 You voted for your president.
00:02:26.160 We gave you military equipment, and you men are brave, but they had to use our military.
00:02:30.780 If you didn't have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two weeks.
00:02:40.120 This astonishing turn of events could scramble affairs in Europe and around the globe,
00:02:45.020 but during his visit with Trump, Zelensky was expected to sign a deal
00:02:49.560 allowing the U.S. greater access to Ukraine's rare earth minerals,
00:02:54.120 and they were supposed to hold a joint press conference,
00:02:57.040 but that plan was scrapped after the heated engagement between the two leaders.
00:03:02.020 Here, I think, is the key point, and that is President Trump is insisting that Zelensky repay
00:03:08.160 part at least of the more than $350 billion that we have sent,
00:03:13.660 but the diminutive former actor who now heads the Ukrainian nation is refusing.
00:03:23.120 It remains to see what, if anything, Donald Trump wants to do to get this back on track,
00:03:29.260 but one thing is very clear.
00:03:31.640 The American people are tired of endless foreign war,
00:03:34.860 in which our inherent interests are not clear.
00:03:37.920 The false narrative that the aggression by the Russians was caused solely because of their
00:03:46.520 territorial ambitions is false.
00:03:49.520 We signed an agreement, the Budapest Memorandum,
00:03:54.120 and then later again reaffirmed it in the Minsk Accords,
00:03:58.200 in which we agreed that if the Russians agreed to the reunification of East and West Germany,
00:04:04.820 that we would not push Ukraine, which is on Russia's border, into NATO.
00:04:09.880 More importantly, we would not mount NATO missiles pointed at Russia on the ground in Ukraine.
00:04:17.300 Folks, those silos are already built, and we uncovered that there are, as we now know,
00:04:25.120 bioweapons labs throughout the country.
00:04:28.840 Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland of the Biden administration
00:04:32.460 actually spit that out and then tried to take it back under oath in a Senate committee hearing.
00:04:39.520 So, the idea that Putin wants to gobble up all of Ukraine, then he's going to take Poland,
00:04:48.720 then Germany, then France, this is a narrative that has been promulgated by the neocons.
00:04:55.460 The problem, of course, is it's not true.
00:04:58.420 And now the American people want some of their largesse back.
00:05:02.580 This day in history, eight years ago, on February 28, 2017,
00:05:09.120 Donald J. Trump, in his first month as president,
00:05:12.580 delivered his first address to a joint session of Congress at 9 p.m. Eastern time.
00:05:17.220 While not technically a State of the Union address,
00:05:21.420 this speech outlined his plan for tax cuts,
00:05:26.640 his plan for infrastructure spending,
00:05:28.940 and his planned reform of health care.
00:05:32.540 From the very beginning, President Trump has proven that he keeps his promises.
00:05:38.440 In the first presidency, he built a model economy,
00:05:42.780 the most robust economy we had in America up until that time.
00:05:47.560 He not only had the lowest levels of unemployment among all Americans,
00:05:53.820 black Americans, white Americans, rural, urban, young, old.
00:06:00.280 He set records when it came to job creation.
00:06:03.880 He also brought billions of dollars back into the country to be invested here,
00:06:08.960 to create jobs here.
00:06:11.420 It is amazing now that he has scored the greatest single comeback in American history.
00:06:17.740 But it's very different than 2017, because he is a much wiser president.
00:06:25.000 I actually think the two years in the wilderness,
00:06:27.480 the two years of fighting the outrageous tsunami of lawfare,
00:06:31.760 has made him far more prepared in terms of understanding how Washington works,
00:06:37.780 on understanding the treachery of the two-party duopoly,
00:06:42.080 who don't like the fact that there's a new sheriff in town,
00:06:45.680 and who seem committed to endless war, censorship of our free speech rights,
00:06:52.760 and think that, well, big pharma and big food should remain unchecked
00:06:58.140 in terms of their ability to make profits,
00:07:00.480 while no one is checking on the safety and effectiveness of the drugs and food
00:07:05.140 that they are feeding our families.
00:07:07.600 Apple had some interesting news today.
00:07:10.320 It confirmed that their iPhones had a glitch in their voice-to-text feature,
00:07:15.680 so that whenever anyone said the word racist,
00:07:20.060 it would come up with the word Trump.
00:07:22.860 In a viral TikTok video,
00:07:25.360 the voice-to-text feature was observed briefly flashing Trump
00:07:28.360 when a user said racist,
00:07:31.120 before it quickly changed back to racist.
00:07:34.700 Now, this is interesting.
00:07:36.060 I've had some experience with Apple.
00:07:37.600 You see, Apple, to this day, refuses to turn over to the Secret Service
00:07:41.940 or the FBI the contents of the cell phone of Thomas Crooks,
00:07:48.580 the man they claim was the shooter of Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania.
00:07:53.780 Apple said it would be an invasion of the late Mr. Crooks' privacy.
00:07:58.060 That's funny because Apple turned over all of my cell phone records
00:08:03.400 to Robert Mueller and his thugs in the Russian collusion hoax
00:08:08.040 without even receiving a subpoena.
00:08:13.240 We realize that the politically correct nature of Apple
00:08:18.480 is one of the largest problems in the country,
00:08:20.920 But those who think that just because Elon Musk
00:08:24.280 has established what used to be Twitter,
00:08:27.140 now known as X,
00:08:29.080 as a free speech paragon,
00:08:32.880 and there are still problems there,
00:08:34.480 let's be candid,
00:08:36.100 but now that he has done so,
00:08:38.700 that does not mean that there's not still
00:08:41.140 shadow banning and censorship going on at Facebook,
00:08:45.560 not only Facebook, but also Instagram.
00:08:49.740 It's interesting to me because I remain banned for life
00:08:53.620 on both Facebook and Instagram.
00:08:56.920 I was in a restaurant the other night
00:08:58.320 and a guy came up to me and said,
00:09:00.460 hey, Stone, where's that crypto I bought from you?
00:09:04.220 I said, pardon me?
00:09:05.100 That crypto I bought from you on Facebook.
00:09:07.560 Folks, there's a bunch of Roger Stones on Facebook.
00:09:10.380 Not a single one of them is mine,
00:09:13.200 and I urge you not to buy crypto from them.
00:09:17.120 I'm Roger Stone.
00:09:18.240 You're in the Stone Zone here on the Red Apple Audio Networks,
00:09:23.040 and we'll be right back.
00:09:48.240 And we're back.
00:09:54.840 It appears that the Jeffrey Epstein files
00:09:57.900 are being held by a rogue element in the New York FBI.
00:10:02.080 The New York field office of the FBI
00:10:03.780 and the federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York
00:10:07.020 refused to initially turn over documents
00:10:09.640 in the Jeffrey Epstein case,
00:10:11.360 reported Attorney General Pam Bondi to the nation today.
00:10:14.780 Yesterday, Bondi ordered the deliverer of these files
00:10:18.200 to the Department of Justice by 8 o'clock this morning.
00:10:22.320 We're still waiting to hear whether they complied with their order.
00:10:25.500 Newly minted FBI Director Cash Patel promised a complete cooperation
00:10:30.880 and promised to hunt down any former or current employees
00:10:34.660 running interference on the orders of Bondi and Patel.
00:10:38.860 In fact, the information released yesterday, every bit of it,
00:10:42.800 can be found in my book,
00:10:44.260 The Clintons' War on Women, published all the way back in 2015.
00:10:48.840 Now, Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna
00:10:51.300 initially announced that she'll be holding a special committee meeting
00:10:54.640 to release the Epstein documents.
00:10:57.140 Two days ago, she began demanding the release of documents
00:10:59.980 that Pam Bondi never possessed
00:11:02.040 because of the obstruction of the Southern District of New York prosecutors.
00:11:06.260 Luna recently said she wants to subpoena members of the Warren Commission.
00:11:11.360 Let's listen to Congresswoman Luna.
00:11:14.040 Yeah, I was going to say,
00:11:14.980 based on what we're actually looking to do with the JFK investigation,
00:11:18.660 I'm looking to actually bring in some of the attending physicians
00:11:20.880 at the initial assassination,
00:11:22.600 and then also people that had been on the various commissions looking into,
00:11:26.180 like the Warren Commission, looking into the initial assassination.
00:11:28.880 The idea of bringing in the doctors who attended President John F. Kennedy
00:11:34.360 at Parkland Hospital is a good one.
00:11:36.720 A powerful new documentary, what the Parkland doctors saw, very compelling.
00:11:42.220 As far as subpoenaing the members of the Warren Commission,
00:11:44.880 Congresswoman, there's one minor problem.
00:11:47.340 All of them are dead.
00:11:49.080 Okay.
00:11:49.840 You know, I don't think President Donald Trump gets enough credit for it,
00:11:53.320 but in his first term, he shut down some of the worst taxpayer-funded animal abuses imaginable,
00:11:59.100 from deadly dog and cat experiments to dangerous bat labs in Wuhan.
00:12:03.680 My old friends at the non-profit White Coast Waste Project
00:12:07.900 have recently released a four-point plan for Trump 2.0
00:12:12.280 that can save billions of dollars
00:12:14.420 but end this horrific practice of cruel and inhumane,
00:12:19.280 quote-unquote, scientific experiments on dogs, cats, and other primates.
00:12:25.340 Here to join me to talk about this as a fellow dog lover is Justin Goodman.
00:12:31.300 He is the Senior Vice President of Advocacy and Public Policy
00:12:34.740 at the White Coast Waste Project.
00:12:36.380 For more than 15 years,
00:12:38.220 Justin has led a high-profile, winning grassroots and lobbying campaign
00:12:43.240 to expose the end-full waste and cruel taxpayer-funded experiments
00:12:47.660 on dogs, cats, and other animals.
00:12:50.860 Justin Goodman, welcome to the Stone Zone.
00:12:54.240 Thank you.
00:12:54.820 It's a pleasure and an honor to be back, Roger.
00:12:57.020 There is really nothing in the Trump's first presidency
00:13:01.280 that I am proud of, prouder of,
00:13:03.900 of working with your organization, White Coat Waste,
00:13:07.500 as a volunteer to try to end this inhumane practice,
00:13:12.100 working together.
00:13:13.320 We were very successful in getting the Department of Transportation,
00:13:18.120 for example, to end these horrific and, I think, pointless experiments.
00:13:24.320 Recently, you testified before Congress on this issue.
00:13:29.080 Tell us where the fight stands.
00:13:31.400 Sure, Roger.
00:13:32.420 Yeah, I agree with you that Trump hasn't gotten enough credit
00:13:35.380 for the historic progress he made to end wasteful and cruel,
00:13:39.200 horrendous animal testing on dogs, cats, monkeys,
00:13:42.120 and other animals at agencies like the VA, the EPA, the USDA.
00:13:47.880 You know, I was on Capitol Hill a couple weeks ago
00:13:49.940 testifying at a House Oversight Committee hearing
00:13:53.140 that was called Transgender Lab Rats and Poisoned Puppies
00:13:56.760 was the title, which both of those things reference
00:13:59.400 some of our investigations.
00:14:00.620 And I explained to Congresswoman Nancy Mace and Lauren Boebert
00:14:04.660 and the other committee members how a lot of people don't realize
00:14:08.000 that the U.S. government is the single largest funder
00:14:12.160 of animal testing in the, not only the country, but in the world.
00:14:16.340 You know, the U.S. government, Uncle Sam, with our tax dollars,
00:14:19.020 they waste about $20 billion a year on animal testing,
00:14:23.300 both around this country and in foreign labs
00:14:25.800 and other, all around the world, hundreds of them.
00:14:29.480 One of the things I highlighted to the committee
00:14:31.800 was that, you know, despite what happened in Wuhan,
00:14:35.360 obviously we all know that the coronavirus pandemic
00:14:38.260 likely broke out at the Wuhan lab
00:14:40.680 that was funded by Dr. Fauci and USAID,
00:14:43.400 and we had the receipts for that back in early 2020
00:14:46.340 and broke that story.
00:14:47.980 But despite what happened there,
00:14:49.540 there's still 26 animal labs in China
00:14:51.780 that the NIH is shipping tax dollars to.
00:14:54.080 One of these labs that is getting money right now
00:14:57.080 from the NIH and the DOD are,
00:15:01.300 one of these Chinese labs is abusing 300 beagle puppies
00:15:04.980 every single week.
00:15:06.720 This is what the contract says.
00:15:08.100 We've gotten it through a Freedom of Information Act
00:15:10.300 investigation.
00:15:11.780 The NIH and the DOD are paying a Chinese lab
00:15:14.540 to abuse 300 beagles every single week
00:15:18.020 in cruel and unnecessary drug testing.
00:15:20.060 And we've shut down some labs,
00:15:21.480 some cat labs in Russia.
00:15:24.080 But the problem's bad.
00:15:25.360 And despite, you know, Trump made great progress,
00:15:28.000 but despite what happened, you know,
00:15:30.100 during the 2016 to 2020,
00:15:32.380 some of that progress was reversed under Joe Biden.
00:15:35.360 And we're very enthusiastic
00:15:37.140 that Donald Trump will pick up where he left off,
00:15:41.520 and especially with some of the nominees
00:15:43.380 headed to these health agencies.
00:15:45.080 You know, a lot of people,
00:15:46.560 and we could talk a little more about that,
00:15:48.240 and I was just watching a clip of Joe Rogan
00:15:50.820 and Elon Musk's conversation that they had yesterday
00:15:53.740 on the Joe Rogan Show on his podcast,
00:15:56.300 and they were discussing wasteful government spending.
00:15:59.940 And the two prime examples they gave
00:16:02.660 were things that White Coat Waste uncovered
00:16:04.920 and that were discussed at the hearing.
00:16:06.900 Number one, how the NIH,
00:16:09.300 the National Science Foundation,
00:16:10.660 and even the U.S. Department of Agriculture
00:16:13.900 are funding transgender experiments on animals
00:16:16.880 where they're taking lab monkeys and mice and rats,
00:16:20.360 giving them surgeries and hormone therapies
00:16:23.020 to mimic transgender human adults and children,
00:16:27.120 and then performing horrendous experiments on them
00:16:29.740 with drugs and vaccines
00:16:31.100 and overdosing them with party drugs used at gay sex parties.
00:16:35.380 This is all in documents that we've obtained
00:16:38.340 from the federal government.
00:16:40.180 So the problem is really bad,
00:16:41.740 but again, we're optimistic
00:16:42.960 that the Trump administration
00:16:44.140 put a dent in this problem pretty quickly.
00:16:46.280 This is really sick.
00:16:47.800 We're going to talk more about it on the other side.
00:16:50.400 Congresswoman Nicole Malliotakis of Staten Island
00:16:53.060 has been a major leader and ally
00:16:55.540 in this important effort to end the brutal torture,
00:17:00.220 this barbaric torture of cats, dogs, monkeys, and others.
00:17:04.040 We'll be right back.
00:17:05.300 Don't go away.
00:17:06.300 We'll have more of Justin Goodman
00:17:08.240 right here in the Stone Zone.
00:17:21.720 Welcome back.
00:17:23.000 You are in the Stone Zone,
00:17:24.760 and we're continuing our conversation with Justin Goodman.
00:17:27.800 He is the Senior Vice President
00:17:29.720 for Advocacy and Public Policy
00:17:31.480 for the White Coat Waste Project.
00:17:34.420 What they do is fight the cruel, barbaric,
00:17:37.500 inhumane torture of animals
00:17:39.380 being conducted by our federal government
00:17:42.200 for no discernible scientific reason
00:17:46.260 of feeding cocaine to kittens,
00:17:49.300 shoving marbles up the anus of monkeys,
00:17:55.140 cutting the vocal cords of beagles.
00:17:59.180 These are just an example of these barbaric experiments.
00:18:05.320 President Donald Trump really stopped a lot of this.
00:18:08.840 He planned to phase it out at the EPA,
00:18:11.660 at the Department of Transportation,
00:18:13.760 at the Department of Defense,
00:18:15.480 and he even talked about abolishing
00:18:18.020 the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
00:18:22.100 But then Joe Biden essentially brought it all back.
00:18:25.520 So, Justin Goodman, tell us what the next steps are.
00:18:28.640 It seems to me the timing couldn't be better.
00:18:30.800 Next week, you have the confirmation hearings
00:18:32.840 that begin for Trump's leaders at NIH,
00:18:36.440 the National Institute of Health,
00:18:38.360 and the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration.
00:18:41.740 It seems to me to be the perfect opportunity
00:18:44.280 to grill these nominees
00:18:46.720 on the question of the abuse of these animals.
00:18:50.600 Yeah, you know, we're really enthusiastic.
00:18:54.260 The NIH is really broken and needs serious reforms.
00:18:58.640 This is the single largest funder of animal testing in the world.
00:19:02.300 And they've even given awards to the NIH to people,
00:19:05.740 the experts who estimate that 87.5%
00:19:08.800 of the biomedical research we fund through the NIH is wasteful.
00:19:13.580 So, the NIH, on one hand, is funding more animal testing,
00:19:16.700 more biomedical research than anyone else,
00:19:18.520 and on the other hand, talking about how wasteful it is.
00:19:20.720 And we need someone to come in there and clean it up.
00:19:23.100 And, you know, we're very enthusiastic that Jay Bhattacharya,
00:19:26.200 Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, has been nominated to run the NIH.
00:19:30.000 He's a big fan of White Coat Waste Project.
00:19:32.520 I've spoken on his Twitter spaces, his X spaces before,
00:19:35.700 about these issues, data function research.
00:19:37.820 And he's called White Coat Waste absolute heroes.
00:19:41.020 So, you know, I couldn't be happier with Dr. Bhattacharya being nominated.
00:19:45.220 And we have our fingers crossed that he'll get through the process
00:19:47.860 and become the NIH director pretty soon.
00:19:50.400 You know, like I said, Elon and Joe Rogan were just talking about
00:19:54.840 some of the wasteful animal testing we've exposed at the NIH.
00:19:57.620 And they're really lagging behind other agencies
00:20:00.560 that, under the Trump administration especially,
00:20:03.420 started to make great progress to end animal testing.
00:20:07.120 The EPA, the VA, the USDA all started to end dog and cat testing under Trump.
00:20:12.960 But the NIH has actually ramped it up thanks to people like Dr. Fauci,
00:20:16.960 who's been funding a horrendous experiment on dogs and cats all over the world.
00:20:21.440 A lot of people probably remember that kind of iconic photo
00:20:24.200 that we exposed back in 2021 of the beagle puppies
00:20:27.880 with their heads in mesh cages that were filled with biting flies eating them alive.
00:20:32.260 You know, those projects, those are the type of things that the NIH is funding,
00:20:35.240 cocaine injections, injecting puppies with cocaine is something that's still happening.
00:20:40.620 These horrible drug tests on 300 beagles a week in China that I mentioned the NIH is putting the bill for.
00:20:46.120 So we have some priorities for the NIH that we're hopeful, Dr. Bhattacharya will tackle.
00:20:51.400 Number one is defunding dog and cat testing.
00:20:54.760 Number two, defunding all these labs in China and other adversarial nations.
00:20:58.720 We should not be shipping tax dollars for animal abusing laboratories in adversarial nations
00:21:04.480 that don't have our best interest in mind.
00:21:06.340 We all saw what happened in Wuhan.
00:21:08.200 It is a recipe for disaster to keep sending money to these unaccountable labs in China.
00:21:13.100 And, you know, this is something you and I have talked about and written about.
00:21:16.980 I know Donald Trump is supportive of dismantling Dr. Fauci's division of the NIH,
00:21:21.680 where he built a little empire that funded this dangerous animal experimentation
00:21:25.540 that already caused a pandemic and might cause another one if someone doesn't intervene.
00:21:30.000 Right now, Fauci's division of NIH is funding the establishment and construction of a bat lab in Colorado,
00:21:36.760 where they are going to import bats from Asia and import them to Colorado to do experiments with Ebola,
00:21:44.740 with NEPA, horrendously painful and deadly viruses for which there is no cure, doing COVID experiments.
00:21:51.080 This is their plan.
00:21:51.980 It started under Fauci, but we still have a chance to stop it.
00:21:55.220 We do not need to import this dangerous and unnecessary animal experimentation to our shores.
00:22:00.680 And, again, obviously Donald Trump is on board with all of this.
00:22:03.620 When we first exposed Fauci's funding for the Wuhan lab,
00:22:07.620 President Trump went on TV a couple days later, called it tremendous waste,
00:22:11.320 and cut that grant on national television, one of the highlights of our work at White Coat,
00:22:15.960 one of the highlights of my career.
00:22:18.360 We need to do that again.
00:22:19.880 And we need to bring an axe and start slashing and burning at the NIH.
00:22:24.160 We're already seeing that happening, but there's a lot more work that could be done.
00:22:28.800 Folks, in the next segment, we are going to be taking your calls, that number, 800-848-9222, 800-848-9222.
00:22:39.280 We continue now with our interview with Justin Goodman of the White Coat Waste Project.
00:22:46.600 This is an important question because you are a nonprofit.
00:22:50.380 Before I volunteered my time back in 2017, 2018, I looked at your published financials.
00:22:58.180 You run a very lean shop.
00:23:00.700 You put most of your money into spreading the word about these horrific, barbaric treatment of animals.
00:23:08.680 But if people want to contribute, where can they go?
00:23:12.680 They can visit our website, whitecoatwaste.org.
00:23:16.060 Visit us at White Coat Waste on all the social media platforms.
00:23:19.540 So that's whitecoatwaste.org for our website, at White Coat Waste on social.
00:23:24.280 And, you know, as you said, Roger, we are a lean, mean fighting machine.
00:23:27.700 We are a 501c3 nonprofit.
00:23:30.720 We have a small staff and just about a dozen employees.
00:23:34.440 We don't have, you know, there's not, like, a lot of executive bloat.
00:23:38.220 We're not throwing fancy galas.
00:23:39.960 We actually don't do any galas.
00:23:41.340 We don't do any physical fundraising events.
00:23:43.540 All of our resources that we're getting from our donors are going into these campaigns to find, expose, and defund wasteful government spending on animal tests.
00:23:53.040 You know, I am haunted by that iconic, now, unfortunately, photograph where Dr. Fauci has these beagles.
00:24:02.820 They're laying on their side.
00:24:04.700 Their heads are inside this enclosed contraption.
00:24:07.820 And they have sand fleas literally eating the flesh on their heads and faces.
00:24:14.400 Could you explain to me the scientific value of this?
00:24:17.640 There's none at all, Roger.
00:24:20.340 I mean, the NIH, excuse me, the FDA, which obviously regulates drug approvals, have stated that they do not require dog testing.
00:24:28.520 This is an archaic, cruel, crude artifact of just a bygone time where, you know, mad scientists tortured animals.
00:24:39.220 And, unfortunately, it's become big business.
00:24:40.800 So it continues.
00:24:41.860 There's companies, literally puppy mills and kitten mills, that are subsidized by tax dollars to breed puppies and kittens to be abused in experiments.
00:24:52.580 They're born to die.
00:24:53.860 There's companies across this country right now receiving millions of our tax dollars.
00:24:58.100 It's big businesses.
00:24:59.100 Colleges and universities rake in billions of dollars a year for animal experimentation.
00:25:04.580 And on top of the animal experimentation money they get, they get tax dollars from the NIH that go into these slush funds that support executive salaries, administrative costs, construction, and have nothing to do with improving public health.
00:25:18.700 That's one of the things that the scientific community is so up in arms about right now is the Trump administration issued an order to cap this money going into these slush funds at colleges and universities that are torturing animals.
00:25:35.400 So this is a great step in the right direction.
00:25:37.160 His move on indirect costs is going to cut billions of wasteful spending on animal testing and save countless animals' lives.
00:25:43.900 So we're already seeing some really positive momentum to end these experiments because this is all about the money for these people.
00:25:51.400 The only people who benefit from torturing animals in laboratories are the people who are cashing the checks to do it.
00:25:58.000 I really think this speaks to Fauci's character.
00:26:00.700 When I researched my book on Lyndon Johnson, the man who killed Kennedy, the case against LBJ, and referenced in Robert Caro's Pulitzer Prize winning biography, Lyndon Johnson as a boy would shove a lit cherry bomb, that's like a firecracker, an explosive, down the throat of a dog in order to watch the dog explode.
00:26:23.760 He once beat a mule to death with a baseball bat.
00:26:27.420 This speaks to a very psychotic nature.
00:26:30.380 So I guess my question is, we only have about a minute and 45 seconds, do you think Dr. Fauci, who, with his wife, legally, unfortunately, made millions and millions and millions of dollars out of the vaccinations that he was advocating and trying to mandate, do you think he will ever be brought to justice for these horrific acts?
00:26:52.340 Well, fortunately, I think there are still some ways, even though he's been pardoned, to hold him accountable.
00:26:56.660 And I want to be clear here, you know, and you and I have talked about this, Roger, Fauci wasn't just a paper pusher at the NIH.
00:27:02.620 This guy was torturing animals with his own two hands for many decades.
00:27:06.660 He was infecting chimps with HIV in the 80s until the day he left the NIH in 2022.
00:27:12.240 He was still torturing monkeys in experiments, giving them HIV and doing other horrendous infectious disease experiments on them.
00:27:18.780 So he's not innocent by any means.
00:27:21.040 He's not just, again, some bureaucrat at the NIH.
00:27:23.260 He's an animal abuser himself.
00:27:25.640 But obviously, states can still hold him accountable for what happened, even though he has a federal pardon.
00:27:30.280 He did lie repeatedly in depositions, both federally and in the Missouri case brought against him by now Senator Eric Schmidt and others.
00:27:38.400 So I think he might be held accountable by the states.
00:27:41.700 But the one thing we can do to dismantle his legacy inside the federal government is to abolish his division of the NIH and cut funding for all these horrendous animal tests that he put into motion.
00:27:51.720 Well, the Bible tells us that vengeance is reserved for the Lord.
00:27:55.680 But in this case, there is no reason why we cannot pray for it.
00:27:59.980 Let me thank my guest, Justin Goodman.
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00:28:11.900 Roger, we are so grateful for your support and leadership on this.
00:28:15.420 Thank you very much for joining us today on The Stone Zone.
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00:29:07.500 And let's go to Joe in Trenton.
00:29:10.260 I've been to Trenton since, well, Lorenzo's at the train station, one of my favorite.
00:29:15.060 Italian restaurants closed down.
00:29:16.620 That was quite a few years ago.
00:29:17.760 That was a great restaurant.
00:29:20.140 Roger, my first reaction after watching that incident at the White House, somebody got to Zelensky.
00:29:27.920 And listen, I might sound like conspiratorial.
00:29:32.780 This sounds like maybe the World Economic Forum group might have been the one to get to him.
00:29:37.860 Because if there's anybody that doesn't want to see Trump succeed, it's that bunch.
00:29:43.720 What are your thoughts on it?
00:29:45.580 Well, look, I think there's a lot of insanity.
00:29:48.680 I had a call today from a very well-known reporter.
00:29:52.280 Now, this reporter is a sane person, somebody I disagree with, but I respect.
00:29:58.720 But they actually asked me quite seriously whether I thought Donald Trump was a Russian asset, whether Donald Trump sometime in the 1980s had come under the control of Russia.
00:30:11.880 And here's the best one, whether his 1988 flirtation with the presidency was an idea hatched in Russia.
00:30:21.740 Since that was an idea hatched by me sitting with Donald Trump, I knew it was nonsensical.
00:30:28.320 But when you stand in the way of the war machine and those who are profiting mightily, you become a target.
00:30:39.380 The idea that Donald Trump is loyal to anybody other than the American people is absurd.
00:30:45.020 But $350 billion is a lot of money.
00:30:49.160 And all the fake news stories over the last two years that the Ukrainians were kicking the daylights out of the Russians and wait until the spring offensive and so on.
00:30:59.460 This war is hopeless for the Ukrainians.
00:31:04.360 And the killing must stop.
00:31:05.940 It is not that Trump is pro-Russian.
00:31:08.460 It is that he wants the killing to stop.
00:31:11.400 Joe Biden blurted this out at the beginning of the war when he said,
00:31:14.620 Well, I would have been willing to give them the Donbass, which is the Russian-speaking region of the country, to the east.
00:31:23.480 So there was never any reason to have this war.
00:31:26.540 If Donald Trump had been, I think, rightfully given the office in 2020, which I think he won, we would not have had this war.
00:31:36.160 And Zelensky is refusing to call any portion of what he has been given a loan.
00:31:42.480 He doesn't want to give any of it back.
00:31:45.320 That's what this fight was about today.
00:31:48.400 I put my trust in Donald Trump.
00:31:50.740 He knows he must end this war.
00:31:53.220 No, he is not going to let the Russians take all of Ukraine.
00:31:56.800 But hopefully, I think we can all pray for a swift resolution, because the carnage here on both sides, with the Russians and the Ukrainians now conscripting 15- and 16-year-olds, this really must stop.
00:32:14.620 Joe, thanks for calling from Trenton.
00:32:17.340 We do miss Lorenzo's, don't we?
00:32:19.920 Yes.
00:32:20.780 Yes.
00:32:21.600 All right.
00:32:22.240 Great stakes.
00:32:22.760 Great stakes.
00:32:23.780 They were great.
00:32:24.900 All right, Zach in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
00:32:27.580 Thanks for calling into the Stone Zone.
00:32:30.060 What's on your mind, Zach?
00:32:32.440 Well, Roger, thank you.
00:32:34.160 I just kind of wanted to say that, you know, the way Trump handled Zelensky is exactly what we voted for.
00:32:42.060 And, you know, I mean, I hope that we continue to see this kind of transparency.
00:32:47.120 I know it's not anything I've seen in my lifetime, you know, especially with him willing to show us the good, the bad, or the ugly.
00:32:55.920 But I kind of wanted to know, historically speaking, with your context, who do you think is similar to what we've seen before?
00:33:07.700 Because I think a lot of people are in shock.
00:33:11.500 And I'm sure it's happened in the past.
00:33:13.660 It's an excellent question.
00:33:15.360 By the way, folks, our number, 800-848-9222, 800-848-9222.
00:33:22.460 If you have a question, Zach, let me address your question.
00:33:26.660 I think a leader like Donald Trump comes along once a century, really.
00:33:32.440 He is unique.
00:33:33.780 He is not a politician.
00:33:35.320 He'll never be a politician.
00:33:36.880 He's the leader of a political movement.
00:33:39.440 It's not the same thing.
00:33:40.940 I can just tell you firsthand, having known him now for almost 50 years.
00:33:45.340 By the way, he hates it when I say that because he says it makes both of us sound old.
00:33:49.880 He's not handled.
00:33:51.420 He's not scripted.
00:33:53.060 He is not managed.
00:33:55.080 He is not packaged.
00:33:56.780 What you see is what you get.
00:33:58.280 Yes, he asks a broad cross-section of people for their opinion.
00:34:03.320 He works the phones hard late into the night, seeking advice from many.
00:34:08.180 But at the end of the day, he's his own man.
00:34:11.040 He makes his own decisions.
00:34:12.400 He decides what he will sign, what he will say, where he will go, who he will meet with, who we will appoint.
00:34:19.320 I think that's why the American people elected him.
00:34:22.180 He is completely outside the box, meaning while he is not always eloquent, he is always articulate, meaning you always know exactly where he stands.
00:34:34.900 I think it was time for Zelensky to get his cup of uppance.
00:34:38.440 The Biden administration continued to kiss his derriere.
00:34:42.600 We continue to ship him more and more money.
00:34:46.000 And this really has to stop.
00:34:47.980 I cannot.
00:34:48.400 I agree with Tucker Carlson.
00:34:49.620 Why are we shipping billions to Ukraine when there are homeless veterans in this country, when there are horrific problems in this country?
00:35:00.740 So, Zach, thanks so much for your call.
00:35:04.100 Let's see.
00:35:05.220 Let's go to David in Oxnard, California.
00:35:09.360 You're calling about the Epstein information.
00:35:13.640 Yes, sir.
00:35:15.400 Thanks.
00:35:16.080 You know, with the FBI stonewalling us, no pun intended, on the Epstein docs, what do you think of Pam Bondi, since she's not happy with them?
00:35:29.640 What do you think about her offering Ghislaine a deal to testify and name names and then maybe, you know, send her back to the U.K. and let them deal with her?
00:35:42.080 Why are we paying for her incarceration?
00:35:43.780 Well, the problem, of course, is we don't know whether she tells us would be the truth or maybe she would just use it to take out her plight on people that she particularly hates.
00:35:57.520 Well, this woman was a horrific pimp.
00:36:00.220 If you read my book, the Clinton's war on women, you will see precisely what I'm talking about.
00:36:09.860 This is, I think, really unlikely.
00:36:14.700 I think that she should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
00:36:18.660 And I think we need all of the facts.
00:36:21.500 And I think they are yet to come.
00:36:23.080 That rogue element in the FBI really needs to spit up the information.
00:36:28.380 Folks, thanks for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
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