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00:00:30.000 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:00:43.460 People love him and respect him.

00:00:44.880 Roger Stone.

00:00:46.080 Now, get him a zone.

00:00:48.020 It's the Stone Zone.

00:00:50.000 Here's Roger Stone.

00:00:52.460 And welcome.

00:00:54.160 You are entering the Stone Zone.

00:00:56.360 Yesterday morning, the doorbell rang and I opened it only to have a process server handing me yet another subpoena.

00:01:04.360 This regards a lawsuit from which I was dismissed as a defendant well over a year ago.

00:01:10.160 It is a lawsuit being brought by four Capitol Hill police officers against President Donald Trump, former Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and a long list of people I've never heard of.

00:01:20.360 And it pertains to January 6th.

00:01:23.320 Now, let me be absolutely clear.

00:01:24.860 Any claim that I knew in advance about, participated in, condoned any illegal activity on January 6th or any other day is categorically false.

00:01:37.420 And I see on social media people who don't identify themselves say otherwise all the time.

00:01:41.640 But if you want to say that and put your name on it, I will sue you in a heartbeat.

00:01:47.960 Now, there's a very high barrier, unfortunately, under U.S. law when it comes to the question of defaming a public figure.

00:01:55.080 And I guess I am one.

00:01:56.720 But in this one, I'd still sue you because it is a lie.

00:02:01.180 In all honesty, now they want me to be a witness to which I say, sure.

00:02:05.500 And I will plead my Fifth Amendment rights not to testify, not because I did anything wrong, not because I know anything, but because this is an abuse of the process.

00:02:16.220 And as far as wanting all of my emails and text messages that pertain to January 6th, you can have them.

00:02:23.000 You can have them all.

00:02:23.920 That would amount to zero.

00:02:27.120 This is the same kind of lawfare that we saw used against President Donald Trump.

00:02:31.400 Now, the lawyers who filed this, unfortunately, and I now have to file a complaint against them with the Bar Association because this is harassment.

00:02:41.140 And I will start naming them on social media so people can see who these ambulance chasers are.

00:02:46.900 But it is abuse of the process.

00:02:49.600 Anyone who has any evidence whatsoever, phone call, email, text message.

00:02:56.640 I'm not talking about the AI-generated videos.

00:02:59.660 January 6th was an inside deal, in my opinion.

00:03:03.480 If I were Mayor Giuliani or President Trump or a number of other people who are still involved in this civil lawsuit, I want to hear Christopher Wray on the stand.

00:03:12.300 I want to hear Nancy Pelosi on the stand.

00:03:16.520 I want to hear Wray Epps on the stand.

00:03:20.880 I think it would be very comical.

00:03:22.280 These four police officers who claim that I initially, before I was released from the lawsuit as a defendant, put their lives in danger.

00:03:30.980 I think they have made a huge mistake.

00:03:33.040 This lawsuit is going to prove a vehicle that will expose the truth.

00:03:37.780 Meanwhile, Vice Admiral of the Navy, Shoshana Chatfield, refused to put up pictures of President Donald Trump and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth at NATO headquarters.

00:03:50.120 She has been relieved of her duties.

00:03:53.340 Chatfield also held in all hands where she said, we will wait them out for years.

00:03:59.080 She should not only be relieved, she should be court-martialed for refusing a direct order.

00:04:04.360 Trump and Hegseth have been vocal in their insistence that so-called woke policies are dead and vigorously sought to remove leaders who promoted diversity, equity, and inclusion to erase the DEI programs and online content.

00:04:20.060 The U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis is digitally almost 400 books from its library with DEI content.

00:04:27.100 We should be concerned about the fitness and capabilities and qualifications of those in our military rather than their political opinions or their gender identity issues.

00:04:40.980 In December, the American Accountability Foundation, a conservative research group, sent a letter to Hegseth with a list of 20 general officers or senior admirals who it said were excessively focused on diversity, equity, and inclusion and other similar woke, zany left-wing initiatives.

00:05:03.660 The American Accountability Foundation wrote that focusing on such policies is an impediment to national security, and Chatfield was one of the eight women who made their list.

00:05:17.460 Shoshana Chatfield made the list, too, in part to a 2015 speech in which she bemoaned that lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives at the time were 80% male, proclaiming that our diversity is our strength.

00:05:30.280 No, our freedom is our strength.

00:05:32.520 The group said she was also quoted a slide from a presentation by the Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute, highlighting investing in gender equality and women's empowerment can unlock human potential on a transformational scale.

00:05:48.040 Folks, this is a mental illness.

00:05:51.040 There are two genders, men and women.

00:05:54.160 You can see it in the Bible.

00:05:55.920 It's in the Old Testament and the New.

00:05:57.680 Chatfield had been serving as one of 32 representatives on NATO's military committee.

00:06:04.360 The panel is the primary source for military advice to the North Atlantic Council and NATO's nuclear planning group.

00:06:12.200 According to NATO, it serves as the link between the political decision makers and NATO's military structure.

00:06:18.540 Democrat Mark Warner, the con man and charlatan from Virginia, said that he was deeply disturbed by Shoshana's sacking.

00:06:26.400 Now, it was Senator Mark Warner who was deeply disturbed by that signal chat that involved our currently Secretary of Defense, National Security Advisor Mike Walsh, the Director of National Intelligence, Tully Gabbard, and others.

00:06:40.840 But I went back and looked.

00:06:42.260 Mark Warner never said a word when Hillary Clinton indisputably sent classified information over an illegal server that she had set up in her bathroom.

00:06:52.040 Where were you, Mark?

00:06:53.600 You said nothing.

00:06:54.800 And then when Robert Malley, one of the highest level officials at the Department of State under Joe Biden, was caught red-handed sharing classified documents with the Iranians, perhaps the biggest spy scandal since Alger Hiss.

00:07:10.360 Where were you, Mark Warner?

00:07:11.680 You said nothing whatsoever.

00:07:13.020 Now, I understand you're a rich guy.

00:07:14.280 I understand that you made a lot of money in cell phones early.

00:07:18.920 You purchased the governorship of Virginia, where they only allow you to serve one term.

00:07:23.420 And then you purchased yourself a Senate seat.

00:07:25.440 You're a disgrace to the nation.

00:07:27.480 You're a fraudster and a con man.

00:07:29.180 If you had criticized Hillary, and if you had criticized Malley and the Biden administration, I might think otherwise.

00:07:35.260 But this is pure politics.

00:07:37.220 You have no credibility.

00:07:38.720 And I hope somebody richer than you comes along to challenge you when you run for re-election.

00:07:42.460 Now, Trump has also fired 10 generals and admirals, and he's taking office.

00:07:47.060 On Thursday, General Timothy Haug, the head of the National Security Agency and U.S. Cyber Command, was also fired.

00:07:56.260 Admiral Lisa Franchetti, the first woman to become chief of naval operations, she also got canned.

00:08:02.600 It's about time that the woke elite are cleared from our military, and our military returns to being able to defend this country.

00:08:13.860 Here's another shocking story that I had a hard time believing, but perhaps not.

00:08:19.820 According to a new poll, most liberals in the country, a majority of the liberals, favor assassinating Donald Trump and Elon Musk.

00:08:29.320 This is a new phenomenon.

00:08:32.340 Let's call it assassination culture, which is on the rise.

00:08:36.640 A recent survey found that half of the liberal-leaning U.S. residents said that they could justify the murder of President Trump and his government efficiency advisor, Elon Musk.

00:08:47.500 More than half of the liberals in this poll said it's acceptable to destroy Tesla dealerships.

00:08:52.440 And they also support Luigi Mangione, the 26-year-old man accused of gunning down UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on the streets of New York.

00:09:03.960 This is all according to a survey, that's a poll, by the Network Contagion Research Institute.

00:09:11.040 This Rutgers-based Institute, in a brief release this week, said that political violence targeting both President Trump and Elon Musk is becoming increasingly normalized,

00:09:23.480 and that the left-leaning social media platform Blue Sky plays a significant and predictive role in amplifying radical ideation of this irresponsible idea.

00:09:36.540 I remember in the days right after January 6th, if you were a supporter of Donald Trump and you used the word fight in a speech, as in, we should stand up and fight for America, you were accused of fomenting violence.

00:09:51.960 Yeah, go listen to that con artist, Cory Booker.

00:09:55.240 He spoke for more than 24 hours, breaking the previous filibuster arrest record in the U.S. Senate, set by Senator Strom Thurmond in 1958.

00:10:06.480 And I listened carefully.

00:10:08.060 No place in all of those hours did he explain how, when he was the mayor of Newark, he had the city water authority, which is called Watershed, of which he was the chairman,

00:10:19.460 pay $200,000 to his law firm, which he then, in turn, turned around and put into his pocket.

00:10:26.120 When approached by the Newark Star-Ledger, he said that he, while he was a member of the board, he hadn't voted for that expenditure,

00:10:34.940 took some time, but he went and got the official minutes of the meeting.

00:10:37.600 He was there, present, and he voted yes.

00:10:41.000 Then, when the Newark Star-Ledger asked him, well, what was the money for, he had three different explanations.

00:10:46.320 He said it was a buyout. He was no longer affiliated to the law firm.

00:10:49.800 No, no, no, it was delayed compensation.

00:10:52.440 This guy is, they call him Spartacus.

00:10:57.400 By the way, that was the kickoff of his presidential campaign.

00:11:00.880 By the way, he lives in Greenwich Village.

00:11:02.400 He doesn't even live in New Jersey.

00:11:04.080 I would love to see them nominate Cory Booker for president.

00:11:07.900 I'm not sure he can squeeze out AOC and Jasmine Crockett, though.

00:11:12.180 I think they're probably the front runners.

00:11:14.040 What happened to the Democrat Party of John F. Kennedy?

00:11:19.040 What happened to the Democrat Party of Harry Truman?

00:11:21.960 What happened to the Democrat Party of Henry Scoop Jackson, the party that belonged and believed in free enterprise and capitalism and strong national defense and anti-communism?

00:11:33.280 That Democrat Party, sadly, is dead, which is why so many Democrats in this last presidential election, Democrats who, by the way, did not vote for John McCain, did not vote for Mitt Romney, voted for Donald Trump.

00:11:48.100 See, Trumpism is much, much broader than the Republican Party.

00:11:51.960 In fact, I think Republican Democrat, that's just a Hegelian device.

00:11:57.260 That's just a rhetorical device they use to divide us.

00:12:00.300 That's not the real division in America.

00:12:02.560 The real division in America is between the globalists, the elitists, the establishment, and the outsiders.

00:12:11.500 The outsiders are Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:12:18.620 And for too long, they were, like me, censored on almost all platforms, whether it was cable TV, whether it was radio, whether it was social media.

00:12:31.020 Thanks to Elon Musk leading the way and X, which was once known as Twitter, becoming a marketplace for the free exchange of ideas.

00:12:41.760 And by the way, X is not perfect, but it is a heck of a lot better than it used to be.

00:12:46.020 We finally have some return of free speech, but make no mistake about it, YouTube still vigorously censors any opinion they disagree with.

00:12:59.100 I got a notice from them about some interview I posted there six months ago, which I interviewed a fellow named John Richardson about the potential for vitamin D16 in the treatment of cancer.

00:13:14.800 It's, I think, a pretty innocuous discussion, but they took down our interview.

00:13:20.100 Coming up in a few minutes, Luke Rutkowski, he's on YouTube, but we are change.

00:13:27.680 He's managed to make a go of it.

00:13:29.640 He has a very, very large following there.

00:13:32.920 They don't treat me quite that well.

00:13:35.760 They're more into that whole censorship thing.

00:13:38.540 The researchers are warning about the growing chance of real-world escalation around this idea of assassinating political leaders because of the pro-violence chatter being promulgated by Blue Sky and others.

00:13:55.320 Of course, the president and Elon Musk are deeply unpopular among anyone who identifies as left or center.

00:14:02.380 On Blue Sky, Trump critics post hateful commentary memes laboring Trump as evil, a fascist, a Nazi.

00:14:11.260 This is a man who has, of course, a Jewish daughter and Jewish grandchildren.

00:14:16.520 Posts suggesting using violence against Trump or Musk or the CEO of Tesla calling for a Luigi to be done on them or to go and shoot up a Tesla dealership.

00:14:27.980 This is insanity, and one has to ask Kash Patel, Pam Bondi, where are you?

00:14:38.140 Musk has scoured the federal government to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse, and so far, he has helped slash billions of dollars in government spending and reduce the federal workforce by thousands of jobs through buyouts and layoffs.

00:14:52.260 By the way, it's indisputable, most of these people are not even showing up for work.

00:14:57.020 It's enraged many on the left because they think they just deserve to be on the dole.

00:15:01.980 There's so much more to talk about this week, the effective use of tariffs, the importance of renewing the Trump across-the-board tax cuts, and the spending cuts that must come based on the important work done by Elon Musk.

00:15:21.340 And you're in the right place to talk about it and listen to it.

00:15:24.780 This is The Stone Zone, and we'll be right back.

00:15:27.980 This is The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

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00:16:14.280 This is The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:16:28.840 They went after a guy named Roger Stone who's sitting in the office.

00:16:32.600 And I'll say this in front of Roger, he's no baby.

00:16:34.980 And right now he's cleaner than anybody in this place.

00:16:38.660 Now they treated him very unfairly.

00:16:40.840 Now, get him a zone.

00:16:43.020 It's The Stone Zone.

00:16:45.060 Here's Roger Stone.

00:16:49.540 And we're back.

00:16:51.180 We were talking about this new trend of people on the left, particularly on social media,

00:16:57.220 particularly on Blue Sky, advocating violence and murder.

00:17:02.480 Somebody by the name of Trump Hater Dan posted a picture of Mr. Musk alongside an image of a guillotine.

00:17:08.580 That same person last month posted that Musk needs a Luigi.

00:17:13.040 By the way, it is a federal crime to do that.

00:17:16.080 Blue Sky poster, Shell Badmatz, called for, quote,

00:17:20.420 any Luigis out there that really hate Musk, Trump and all of his cabinet picks,

00:17:24.320 and the GOP in general, to take action.

00:17:29.100 Researchers have said the time spent on Blue Sky was a significant predictor

00:17:35.040 among those who would justify violence against Mr. Trump and Mr. Musk.

00:17:38.640 By the way, threatening to kill the President of the United States or suggesting it on social media

00:17:43.560 or the radio or television or a cable show is a federal crime.

00:17:49.140 The data also showed a structured endorsement of political violence targeting the two men,

00:17:54.720 Trump and Musk, that is not on the fringes, but now reflects an emergent assassination culture in our nation.

00:18:01.640 Among those who identify as center-left, 21% said the murder of President Trump would be completely justified

00:18:08.900 or nearly completely justified, while 12% felt the same way about the assassination of Elon Musk.

00:18:15.840 Only half or less than half said that killing Trump or Musk would be completely unjustified.

00:18:20.880 Violent sentiments against President Trump and Musk, the researchers said,

00:18:24.640 are grounded in far-left authoritarianism and then the normalization online by sites like Blue Sky.

00:18:33.080 In addition to Blue Sky, the social media platform Reddit has also emerged as a source of pro-assassination chatter.

00:18:41.980 Several Reddit groups are dedicated to supporting Luigi Mangione,

00:18:45.780 who has been charged with the first-degree broad daylight murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson

00:18:53.080 in the morning of December 4th outside a hotel in Midtown Manhattan.

00:18:58.060 U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi has announced that she plans to seek the death penalty in that case.

00:19:04.080 If you're just tuning in, you're in the Stone Zone,

00:19:07.220 and about to enter the Stone Zone with us momentarily is Luke Rudkowski from We Are Change.

00:19:13.620 So whatever you do, don't touch that dial.

00:19:23.080 This is the Stone Zone.

00:19:30.820 Now, get in the zone.

00:19:32.760 It's the Stone Zone.

00:19:34.800 Here's Roger Stone.

00:19:37.720 And you are back in the Stone Zone.

00:19:40.600 Joining me now, one of the most important voices over at YouTube, Luke Rudkowski of We Are Change.

00:19:47.600 Luke is a libertarian.

00:19:49.560 He's a patriot.

00:19:50.540 He's a free thinker.

00:19:52.260 He used to call him a conspiracy theorist until virtually everything he predicted would happen ended up happening.

00:19:58.680 Now, they don't call him that anymore.

00:20:00.440 Luke, welcome to the Stone Zone.

00:20:02.160 Roger, it's a pleasure.

00:20:03.780 I appreciate you taking the time to have me on here.

00:20:07.720 Right after you just had Alex Jones on, that was a very epic, very important interview that I just saw as well here.

00:20:13.840 There's a lot of important stuff to talk about, as I think the warnings that we're getting right now is that there definitely is a situation that's very ripe for a false flag that could happen in any moment right now that I think is important to forewarn a lot of people about, because there's going to be some big, drastic changes coming our way.

00:20:31.980 Yeah, I could not agree more.

00:20:33.320 That was an epic interview here in the Stone Zone with Alex Jones.

00:20:36.620 I only wish we had more time.

00:20:38.540 You know, people I think are always surprised.

00:20:40.440 These are the people who don't go to InfoWars, don't see them online.

00:20:43.040 They buy this caricature of him as some kind of troglodyte or sometimes some kind of caveman.

00:20:48.860 And then when you listen to the guy, yeah, he has some predictions or some beliefs that are out there, but he can tell you why he believes him.

00:20:56.280 He can cite scientific studies and other authoritative information.

00:21:00.680 He's very articulate, and he can argue for all of his points of view.

00:21:05.560 I think that surprised a lot of my listeners who haven't heard him previously.

00:21:09.740 Yeah, he's a juggernaut of the establishment.

00:21:14.900 I've known him since 2004, and he has never let off of the gas pedal when it comes to exposing all of the things that so many powerful people try to keep away from you.

00:21:26.840 So it's just amazing to still see him out there, still see him doing everything that he's doing after being attacked so viciously.

00:21:34.140 I know you dealt with your attacks.

00:21:35.400 I dealt with my, you know, smaller attacks here.

00:21:37.400 But, you know, we got to admit it.

00:21:38.960 This guy went through the ringer.

00:21:40.600 I mean, this guy owes more money than the GDP of foreign countries and still comes out the other end here and just also did an amazing interview with Tucker Carlson.

00:21:50.180 And that was gangbusters that was huge that also is now being shared by millions of people.

00:21:57.860 So you were one of the very early advocates of a pardon for Ross Albrecht, who is still a young man who invented the dark web, essentially.

00:22:07.960 And the Biden administration, like the Obama administration before, has always been extraordinarily hostile to the whole notion of cryptocurrency and Bitcoin and any monetary system that they couldn't completely control.

00:22:23.960 And they indicted and charged, in some cases convicted, squeezed guilty pleas out of many, many, many crypto pioneers when they really hadn't done anything wrong.

00:22:35.820 Now you have a new administration that is, thanks to Scott Besant and others, completely open to crypto, seized crypto for its value.

00:22:47.720 How do you feel about this sea change?

00:22:49.820 I mean, no, this is an amazing time that will bring a lot of innovation, a lot of entrepreneurship here to the United States.

00:22:57.620 I was talking about Bitcoin when it was still just a few bucks.

00:23:01.760 When it was about 100 bucks, we told our audience about Bitcoin, that it was worth looking into, and that this is going to be a disruptive technology against the U.S. Federal Reserve banking system.

00:23:13.080 If you look at the banking system right now, they are vehemently opposed against Donald Trump.

00:23:18.680 Donald Trump has been trying to get the Fed to lower rates.

00:23:21.880 But I think this is why we are seeing such an important kind of shift and pivot here towards alternatives.

00:23:28.180 And I think what happened with Ross Ulbricht was one of the greatest accomplishments for the libertarian ever.

00:23:36.520 I think it really solidified this kind of more libertarian, freedom-oriented Republican political party that now is kicking out the old neocon Bush-era party.

00:23:48.900 But it's still pretty evident in there, but this kind of relationship with entrepreneurship, with successful people, with people who want to innovate, with people who want to build, with people who want to grow in this country, and now have the opportunity to do so without going to jail, that right there is a monumental opportunity that we have not had for a long time.

00:24:07.920 And I've known so many people. There's still people right now in jail or facing jail.

00:24:12.480 Joby Weeks is one of my friends. He's one of the guys that helped me expose Epstein Island.

00:24:18.540 He's facing some very serious charges. FreeJoby.com is the website, I believe.

00:24:24.300 There's also Roger Ver. There's also a lot of people who are debanked.

00:24:28.080 There's also a lot of people that had their whole financial and political careers ruined because they were innovators in this space here.

00:24:35.400 But now, finally, for the first time in a long time, Donald Trump is coming out and saying, you know what?

00:24:41.060 You guys are going to have the opportunity to actually show us what you got, what you could build, what you could make.

00:24:46.340 And this is such a great opportunity that I'm super excited for it, even though it's going to be tumultuous.

00:24:53.040 It's going to be a wild ride. But I think overall, this kind of adaptation of the crypto space is something that was going to come eventually.

00:25:01.220 We saw El Salvador make some very significant moves. We saw Argentina make some very significant moves with it.

00:25:08.200 It's only logical that Donald Trump did this. It's the right step.

00:25:11.880 It's the best step to take. And it truly will help safeguard the United States with our very kind of turbulent financial future.

00:25:19.420 Kind of anticipated my next question. After Jeffrey Epstein's arrest, you famously journeyed to Epstein Island to report on the odd structure built there.

00:25:29.200 What did you find? And what are your thoughts on the fact that the New York FBI office seems to have continued to withhold vital Epstein documents, videos, hard drives from the attorney general and thus from the public?

00:25:45.160 Yeah, I mean, we've been waiting quite a long time here and it's fair to assume now with just the gross levels of not just incompetence, but participation in this program.

00:25:59.000 But the FBI played a major role in this international child trafficking and extortion operation.

00:26:04.660 They were involved in it because they had children coming to them in the 1990s and they ignored them when they raided Epstein's property.

00:26:12.420 They never raided all of its properties. There was the New Mexico property.

00:26:16.300 There was multiple properties in France and in other countries that were never even looked into, that were never even investigated, that never had an FBI agent step to the premises.

00:26:26.120 And we're supposed to believe that the same FBI agent, the same Southern District of New York, the same corrupted aspects of the DOJ that covered up everything from the very beginning of this are going to now finally tell us the truth here.

00:26:38.840 So I'm a little, you know, as the young kids say, a little blackpilled on this scenario and situation, because when I went to Epstein's Island, when we raided Epstein's Island, I remember talking to everyone on the British Virgin Islands that were adjacent to it.

00:26:56.380 And everyone knew, yeah, that's the island where children get taken to, to be hurt.

00:27:04.420 And I talked to air traffic controllers. I talked to boat captains. I talked to bus drivers. Everyone knew. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:11.180 It was an open secret for everyone. And you're telling me when we have on U.S. territory, yes, it's the U.S. Virgin Islands.

00:27:19.900 But on U.S. territory, so many children, we're talking about thousands. And this is the scale of, I think, thousands.

00:27:26.100 People think, oh, yeah, it's just a few crazy people. The latest developments with Virginia and Jufri aren't good for this case, by the way.

00:27:34.180 It's not a good look for this entire situation, but that's another story in itself here.

00:27:37.780 But when I went there, I found a lot of very weird sculptures, a lot of weird demonic sculptures, a huge, vast property, and I found what looked like a doorway to the underground.

00:27:52.220 I found something, and I wasn't equipped with a crowbar. It was like a last-minute, last-mission kind of deal, kind of situation.

00:27:59.920 And it was definitely a very scary situation to be in, since you're literally on the intel agency island where they take children and do whatever they want to them.

00:28:13.260 But the reason I decided to go is because I just knew the official version of events didn't make sense with how Epstein allegedly lost his life.

00:28:20.400 And then after his alleged demise, there was someone that was flying a drone over the island, and someone that looked exactly like Jeffrey Epstein was seen in this video from this drone footage after he allegedly died.

00:28:33.500 So I'm like, okay, now I need to go. Now I need to investigate. And I had multiple plans. I had multiple ways of trying to do this.

00:28:41.380 What ended up happening was like a last-minute ditch effort. We just kind of just went when we weren't expecting even to go, and we just kind of went with it and videotaped.

00:28:50.840 And that video right now is available on YouTube.com forward slash WeAreChange, where you can see the full video in length of us going throughout that island and going on this crazy kind of adventure

00:29:01.480 and going where the FBI was always too afraid to go because they were probably involved in this operation.

00:29:07.340 I really have two obvious questions. At least we know that when they raided Epstein's palatial residence in Manhattan, by the way, I think it was the largest and most valuable single-family home.

00:29:23.660 In Manhattan.

00:29:24.240 In Manhattan.

00:29:25.080 For a long time.

00:29:25.920 We know that they removed multiple DVDs and hard drives from the safe on that property. Where are those materials now?

00:29:35.120 Now, I can understand why they wouldn't be released because they're probably pornographic and worse.

00:29:40.500 And we're not interested in exposing the identity of the victims, but we do have a right to know who was abusing children.

00:29:49.440 And then secondarily, I still don't understand why Steve Bannon, between the time that Epstein was released from prison in Florida and the time he was charged with new federal charges,

00:29:59.500 why Bannon visited him in New York, why Bannon visited him in Paris, both reported by the New York Post, by the way,

00:30:07.820 and why they made a documentary together, which has never seen the light of day.

00:30:12.220 I'd like to know the answer to that.

00:30:15.300 I do think that you have what is here an overall cover-up, mostly by Damian Williams, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.

00:30:26.020 He handled the period surrounding Epstein's alleged suicide.

00:30:33.500 I mean, I believe he's dead, but I don't believe he committed suicide.

00:30:36.440 I note that numerous medical experts have said that all the evidence is contrary to that idea.

00:30:46.040 But he also handled the plea bargain of Ghislaine Maxwell, who is essentially Epstein's pimp.

00:30:53.500 How do you charge someone for conspiracy without charging any of the other conspirators?

00:31:00.440 It's not possible.

00:31:01.680 And now he also handled the case of P. Diddy, and yet again, P. Diddy, charged with conspiracy, but not naming any of the other conspirators.

00:31:13.900 So to me, this reeks of a cover-up.

00:31:17.700 I do trust Pam Bondi and Kash Patel to get to the bottom of it, but we haven't been told a small fraction of this.

00:31:26.980 If you go to my book, The Clinton's War on Women, published in 2015, I am the second major author in the United States to cover the Epstein question.

00:31:37.800 I published the FAA manifest that included who was on his airplane.

00:31:44.140 I published the contents of his little black book, which, by the way, everybody in his little telephone book doesn't mean that they did something wrong.

00:31:52.300 Donald Trump's in there.

00:31:53.420 Many people in there who I think did nothing wrong.

00:31:55.820 To the extent that there is a quote-unquote list, I don't think there is a list, but it is undeniable that after he was charged with a crime in Florida and the police chief of Palm Beach gave the state's attorney in Palm Beach County sufficient evidence to charge Epstein with child sex trafficking, statutory rape, and worse,

00:32:19.500 They charged him with one count of solicitation.

00:32:23.220 That would be like, Luke, you walk into a bar and trying to solicit a hooker.

00:32:28.140 It's a minor charge.

00:32:30.900 And then when the police chief complained, they bumped it up to solicitation of a minor.

00:32:35.200 He went to the U.S. attorney, who covers all of South Florida, Mr. Acosta, and Mr. Acosta conducted his own investigation.

00:32:46.040 Whereupon he then rubber-stamped the slap on the wrist by the state, and he sealed the entire case, hoping that we would never know any of this.

00:32:54.620 It is only because the Palm Beach Post went into court in a two-year epic battle that we found out that Epstein got a 15-month sentence, of which, pardon me, an 18-month sentence, of which he only served 15 months.

00:33:09.660 But unlike every other sex criminal convicted in Florida, he was allowed to serve it in the air-conditioned Palm Beach County Jail, the new wing.

00:33:19.800 And he was only required to be there from 10 o'clock at night until 6 o'clock in the morning.

00:33:26.660 Other than that, he was kind of free to go.

00:33:28.700 So, if it was not for a crusading reporter named Julie Brown at the Miami Herald, we would still not know the truth about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:33:40.560 Now, when Acosta was appointed the U.S. Secretary of Labor, I think it was Alexander Acosta, I believe,

00:33:49.900 no one bothered to tell Donald Trump that he had been the federal prosecutor who gave Epstein a pass.

00:33:56.320 And when he was asked, in preparation for his confirmation hearings, what he would say if some senator asked him why he had let Epstein off easy,

00:34:04.220 he said, well, I'm just going to tell the truth.

00:34:07.060 I was approached by the CIA, and they said he works for us, and therefore you need to close this whole case down.

00:34:13.820 And there you have it.

00:34:15.080 That's why people come to the Stone Zone, to hear people like Luke Rutkowski and myself bring you the stone-cold truth.

00:34:22.620 So, if you're interested in hearing the truth, because we criticize Republicans and Democrats, we criticize everybody.

00:34:29.500 We're equal opportunity critics here in the Stone Zone.

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00:35:17.440 And we're back in the Stone Zone.

00:35:19.880 We're talking to Luke Rutkowski of We Are Change.

00:35:23.300 You can find him on that channel over there at YouTube.

00:35:27.800 You've had great success on YouTube.

00:35:29.820 Me, not so much.

00:35:31.120 They don't seem to like anything I post.

00:35:33.060 I think they are fish-faced enemies of the people, to be quite honest with you.

00:35:36.660 Luke, you recently reported on the U.S. military spotting underwater UFOs rising up from the oceans.

00:35:45.040 What do you make of this anomaly?

00:35:46.820 And tell us a little bit more about it.

00:35:48.460 Yeah, first of all, great analysis, Roger.

00:35:51.040 Connecting the dots here with that Epstein story.

00:35:53.360 Because it's so important to talk about in the midst of us still kind of waiting to get some legitimate justice for the, you know, children out there.

00:36:01.780 Because these predators, they're still out there hurting children, and they're still out there rigging, you know, scenarios and financial markets and protesters against this Trump administration and everything that they're trying to do and accomplish here.

00:36:15.200 Now, about these underwater bases, we have heard a lot from members of Congress, from members of the military.

00:36:22.520 I've spent a lot of the times, you know, talking to a lot of these people, interviewing them on the record, off the record.

00:36:29.380 I had a very fascinating conversation with a former Canadian minister of defense that really kind of provided me a perspective into this situation that is kind of jarring and kind of perplexing.

00:36:41.360 Now, the first time I heard about this was from a book called Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper.

00:36:46.880 He was a U.S. naval intelligence officer that, in his book, talked about these structures, these huge entities that were able to traverse land, air, and water, but specifically water and air, in a way that defied the laws of physics.

00:37:06.620 Now, is this kind of advanced military tech here, or is this, you know, proof of life of interdimensional beings or other creatures or other aliens that are amongst us?

00:37:18.160 Well, if you talk to Tucker Carlson, he kind of describes this phenomenon as these interdimensional beings.

00:37:23.740 But the important aspect of this is that when we were hearing reports of the drones over New Jersey, we were hearing of these drones going in and out of the water and then transforming, shape-shifting, changing shapes, very similarly to what we have been hearing with Behold a Pale Horse and William Cooper in his book.

00:37:42.960 Now, we also have heard very similar reports as of late.

00:37:45.720 I just did a video about this, which is, I think, important to watch here, but we heard reports of UAPs and UFOs off of Fort Lauderdale, off of St. Cloud.

00:37:59.380 I forgot the exact name of the city here in Florida, and then Daytona was another one, where there are now multiple reports of things in the air that defied everything that we usually see up there.

00:38:16.560 So there's now new reports of what's going on here.

00:38:19.360 Do we know exactly what's going on here?

00:38:21.220 I don't think we do, and I think it's left for interpretation.

00:38:24.900 It's left for us to guess.

00:38:26.520 There are some members of the military and government that have come out and talked about how these are Chinese drones.

00:38:33.100 Some people say Iranian drones.

00:38:34.900 Some people say this is just parts of advanced U.S. military tech that we don't know about.

00:38:40.000 We saw Donald Trump just recently talk about the kind of capabilities and weapon systems that the United States have that will blow people's minds that a lot of people can't even conceive of.

00:38:49.960 Could this be something that he was hinting at here, or is this kind of proof of interdimensional beings or aliens and UFOs?

00:38:58.680 Who knows?

00:38:59.600 But I think the only real thing that we could conclude here is that we still have a lot more answers than we do.

00:39:07.080 We still have a lot more questions than we do answers.

00:39:09.240 Luke, where can people follow you on social media?

00:39:12.980 YouTube.com forward slash WeAreChange is my main platform, but then I'm also on Instagram and Twitter on at LukeWeAreChange, and then I'm posting stuff.

00:39:22.960 I'm doing a meetup here soon in Miami, and then we're also doing a range day for our members here in South Florida as well, which is going to be a lot of fun as well.

00:39:30.900 So all of that details are on at LukeWeAreChange on Twitter.

00:39:35.620 All right.

00:39:36.200 We have one minute to go.

00:39:37.540 You know I like you very much, but when I first met you, you looked like a homeless hobo.

00:39:42.140 Oh, yeah.

00:39:42.740 I mean, you chased people down to – and maybe you've been dumpster diving for a wardrobe.

00:39:47.600 But now I get reports that you're looking very, very natty.

00:39:50.580 Now I get reports that you're having custom suits made by the folks over at Taylor's on Tap, and people tell me you look like a million bucks.

00:39:57.540 So I'm glad that you have figured out Stone's most important rule, look good, feel good.

00:40:03.640 Ladies and gentlemen, the great Luke Rutkowski, thank you so much for joining us today in the Stone Zone.

00:40:09.200 We're glad to have you, and for all of my listeners out there, until we meet again, God bless you, and Godspeed.

The Stone Zone ｜ 04-10-25

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