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00:00:31.360 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative.

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00:00:37.960 Welcome to The Stone Zone.

00:00:39.840 Tonight I thought we'd go right to, straight from the shoulder of politics 0.93

00:00:43.540 and bring in what we used to call an old-time Democrat.

00:00:47.840 This is more of a JFK, Harry Truman Democrat, a moderate Democrat

00:00:53.540 who I think was very unfairly treated,

00:00:56.600 But he came up the chairs. He was the assistant state's attorney for Cook County, Illinois.

00:01:01.340 He served in the state legislature in 1996, was elected to the U.S. Congress.

00:01:06.120 And then he became the first Democrat governor elected in Illinois in 26 years.

00:01:11.400 I believe that he was railroaded to a long prison sentence from which President Donald Trump ultimately gave him a full and unconditional pardon,

00:01:22.180 for which I advocated and was paid nothing for those folks over at Reuters.

00:01:27.260 But I'm proud to have my friend Rod Blagojevich with him

00:01:31.120 because his story is a story of grit and rejection and faith.

00:01:38.740 All he was guilty of was politics.

00:01:42.200 It outrages me to this day that he was convicted in a trial

00:01:46.260 in which the principal evidence against him,

00:01:48.240 Wiretap conversations were not allowed to be played in court.

00:01:53.180 At the same time, he was denied Barack Obama's FBI 302, which is supposed to have all evidence against you, but that's still sealed by the Department of Justice.

00:02:06.300 I'm hopeful that Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche will do something about that.

00:02:12.620 I believe he will.

00:02:14.200 Let's get to the bottom of this case.

00:02:15.580 Let's bring the man on himself, Governor Rob Gugliewicz.

00:02:18.520 Governor, how are you this evening?

00:02:20.620 I'm doing great, Roger.

00:02:21.620 Thanks for having me on.

00:02:22.580 And I have to say that among the many great things that have happened to me since the new beginning I was given by President Trump when he commuted my sentence and then pardoned me, is I've gotten to know you.

00:02:32.020 And, you know, I never really I never knew you, of course, while I was, you know, before I got out of prison.

00:02:38.480 But there I was in prison watching you on television when they did to you what they did to me.

00:02:42.520 And they went to your house with SWAT teams and arrested you early in the morning.

00:02:46.620 And there you were defiant and strong and you did the Nixon thing.

00:02:49.700 And it was love at first sight from my point of view for you, Roger, because, as you know, I've long admired President Nixon.

00:02:55.840 Well, I mean, look, you are a fighter and you are in tradition of an old time Democrat.

00:03:01.080 You also casually admit that you voted.

00:03:04.400 You strongly supported President Trump's reelection.

00:03:06.520 I mean, people don't really realize if the president at first commutated, commuted your sentence, which you no longer had to, ending the eight years incarceration, eight hard years in prison for refusing essentially an order by Barack Obama to replace Valerie Jarrett, who may or may not be a foreign asset in the U.S. Senate.

00:03:28.440 And that's the real crime that they sent you to prison for.

00:03:30.840 I've studied this case extraordinarily, and that's why I think Obama's comments in this interview may be interesting to you.

00:03:37.440 They're a little long, but let's roll them.

00:03:41.180 We're waiting for an extraordinary situation in which Barack Obama, speaking to CBS,

00:03:47.080 said that essentially the White Department of Justice shouldn't be weaponized

00:03:50.700 and the Attorney General should not act essentially as a hitman for the president,

00:03:55.200 which is just, to my opinion, Governor, I don't know what you think,

00:03:59.260 This has to be the greatest single hypocrisy in American history.

00:04:04.200 Yes, it is. 0.77

00:04:05.180 And it's just another example of projection.

00:04:07.360 In other words, Obama is projecting onto others what he himself does and what the people around him have done to the magnitude never before seen in American history.

00:04:17.320 And the whole idea of weaponization and lawfare and undoing the will of the people by the abuse of the justice system and bringing criminal prosecutions against political rivals, which is what the Biden administration did to President Trump and what other Democrats did in other places like New York and Georgia and Jack Smith and the case with the documents.

00:04:39.280 All of this is part and parcel of the of the seeds that were planted by Obama.

00:04:44.260 And I believe it started with my case.

00:04:46.060 You know, the whole thing began, my issues, when Obama sent an emissary to me on election night, November 2008.

00:04:53.080 I was a Democratic governor.

00:04:54.280 I was the first Democratic governor to endorse Obama.

00:04:56.460 I've known him since 1995.

00:04:58.300 We came up together in Chicago politics.

00:05:00.800 I have to say I was very good to him, did a lot of favors for him.

00:05:04.180 And so he wanted to make a political deal.

00:05:06.760 And we talked about what kind of deal we could make.

00:05:09.220 They criminalized it against me.

00:05:10.440 I went to the big house for eight years.

00:05:11.800 Obama went to the White House for eight years.

00:05:14.240 and then made a deal with those FBI agents and the prosecutors.

00:05:19.440 And part of it, a lot of the truth is there in those FBI 302s, 13 pages of them.

00:05:24.340 They talked to Obama, I think, the day after I was arrested.

00:05:27.320 And to this day, those 302s, first of all, they were never given to my defense team,

00:05:31.120 which I was entitled to, but they're redacted.

00:05:33.460 Every word in those 13 pages is blacked out.

00:05:37.160 And I think it's important for the American people to know what exactly he said to the FBI

00:05:42.100 the day after I was arrested.

00:05:44.240 Just the chutzpah here, can we tee up Obama at this point?

00:05:49.240 Well, there are a couple that I followed even though they weren't law.

00:05:55.780 And I want us, we're going to have to do some work to return to this basic norm,

00:06:01.220 and we probably now have to codify it.

00:06:03.980 The White House shouldn't be able to direct the Attorney General to go around prosecuting

00:06:09.260 whoever the president wants to prosecute.

00:06:12.040 Right, because technically it's under the executive branch, but the norm is that it's independent.

00:06:16.220 The norm, the idea is that the attorney general is the people's lawyer, it's not the president's consigliere.

00:06:23.780 Right, even when it's Bobby Kennedy.

00:06:26.240 It's Bobby Kennedy.

00:06:28.320 And so, two of the core principles of a democracy, we can survive a lot.

00:06:37.360 Bad policy, funky elections. There's a bunch of stuff that we can overcome. We can't overcome

00:06:47.460 the politicization of the criminal justice system, the awesome power of the state. You can't have a

00:06:54.940 situation in which whoever's in charge of the government starts using that to go after their

00:07:01.700 political enemies or reward their friends right so another power maybe i'd say would

00:07:07.220 i mean that is really that's what we call chutzpah here is a guy who helmed a seditious conspiracy

00:07:16.640 that began in the oval office with all the conspirators including uh sleepy joe biden and

00:07:23.540 national security director susan rice the cia director and islamic convert john brennan

00:07:30.800 the FBI director, James Comey, the acting attorney general, Rod Rosenstein.

00:07:37.820 And they planned to put in place what they admit and it was now proven in the documents released by Tulsi Gabbard.

00:07:45.480 They began a seditious conspiracy in which they used evidence they knew was not legitimate.

00:07:51.020 The so-called SEAL dossier and the claim that the Democrat National Committee had been the subject of an online hack,

00:07:58.760 which is a total fiction, as the rationale to trigger a special prosecutor in order to bring

00:08:05.460 Donald Trump down. And they knew it was fraudulent and they got busted. That's who's lecturing you

00:08:10.940 now about abuse of power. That's the greatest single dirty trick in American political history.

00:08:16.780 These people actually plan to unseat a successor because the election didn't go their way.

00:08:22.160 It was a coup d'etat, and they got caught.

00:08:26.360 As far as presidents using attorney generals, President John Adams directed his attorney

00:08:31.940 general to make prosecutions, as did JFK, as did FDR, as did Abraham Lincoln.

00:08:38.440 He's the chief executive, but he's also the chief law enforcement officer, and he has

00:08:44.240 constitutional jurisdiction as an executive branch of the Department of Justice.

00:08:51.200 Now, that is not to say it should be abused for political purposes, but look, I know, for example, that Richard Nixon lost to John Kennedy in 1960.

00:09:02.800 In 1961 and 1962, he came up both years for a random federal tax on it.

00:09:09.420 How likely do you think it is that that was likely?

00:09:13.560 No, Roger, what you're saying is absolutely right.

00:09:16.500 Look, I listen to Obama. It's maddening.

00:09:18.800 I mean, that's breathtaking hypocrisy. 0.94

00:09:21.200 And he's lucky that breathtaking hypocrisy is not a crime because he'd get a life sentence.

00:09:26.640 The amazing part of that is the chutzpah, you're right, that he would actually point at Trump when what they did to him, what they did to Trump, even before Trump was sworn in.

00:09:36.120 That interregnum, that period after Trump beat Hillary in 2016 and was sworn in in January, the 20th of January, 2017, Obama and his people, Clapper, all those people were involved in conjuring up this fake Russian collusion thing.

00:09:50.000 And that was an attempted coup d'etat. Now that's a crime. And that's the sort of thing that the new president, the current president, has a responsibility and a duty to look into. Because this is exactly the sort of thing that will destroy our freedoms. And so when Obama talks like that, it's almost like, you know, he's pretending not to be Putin when it's the kind of stuff Putin would do.

00:10:10.680 I don't really understand why the progressive Democrats who have clearly taken control of the machinery of the Democrat Party, the progressive slash socialists, think that I don't see the appeal.

00:10:21.760 I don't see their platform. I understand the argument they're making.

00:10:24.420 We know they hate Trump. We understand that.

00:10:26.280 We know that they aren't that patriotic, that they'd like to fundamentally change America.

00:10:35.540 I think America is pretty damn great the way it is.

00:10:37.620 If everybody obeyed the law, it would be even better, particularly if everybody obeyed the Constitution. 0.99

00:10:44.100 But the arrogance of these people to think that voters are so stupid that we've forgotten that they spied on the president of the United States. 0.99

00:10:52.400 We thought that they would forget they abused the FISA courts. 1.00

00:10:56.880 We think we would forget that they essentially fabricated evidence to frame a president.

00:11:02.520 And then they weaponized it with partisan Democrats.

00:11:05.800 the four prosecutors every prosecutor in my case had worked for hillary clinton every one of them

00:11:11.480 had had a motive uh and uh one of my when my lawyers pointed out that the prosecutor in my

00:11:18.360 case had represented hillary clinton herself in the clinton foundation in the famous uh a fight

00:11:24.680 over her emails uh she should have been immediately uh fired and the judge ruled that it was not a

00:11:31.720 conflict if you can believe such a thing so that that's who pursued that was my pursuing this this

00:11:38.040 woman had all the charm of a north korean prison guard let me tell you so look roger we've both

00:11:46.160 been on the wrong end of weaponization and lawfare president trump's been on the wrong end of that 0.87

00:11:50.320 in an unprecedented way what they did to him and most of the american people saw through it

00:11:55.660 half the country course is so our country is so divided and no matter how obvious certain things

00:12:00.500 are there just some people these democrats and other people who hate trump are never going to

00:12:05.160 allow themselves to try to objectively stay away from this but this isn't a democrat issue it's

00:12:09.400 not a republican issue this is an american issue this goes to the very heart of our freedoms in

00:12:13.920 a country that's all about self-government our right to choose our leaders in elections that

00:12:18.240 are free and fair and not have these unelected bureaucrats with fancy law degrees and uncontrolled

00:12:23.660 power and unlimited resources have the ability to undo the will of the people by going after the

00:12:29.380 elected president of the united states or the leading candidate from the other party the

00:12:33.380 opposition party which is what happened to trump the second time around the first time was after

00:12:37.720 he had won they did this twice to trump and it would be wrong of president trump and i know he's

00:12:43.100 going to do the right thing he's already doing it and his administration a little bit late but

00:12:47.080 they're beginning to gin up and develop uh the momentum that's necessary to do what they have

00:12:52.240 to do if we're going to save our country save our democracy this isn't vengeance this isn't the use

00:12:57.240 of the Justice Department to go after your political enemies.

00:13:00.200 This is holding those people who've done that accountable for having done that.

00:13:04.920 They're the ones who are threatening our freedoms and our democracy.

00:13:08.100 And if we don't stop it and make an example of them and bring them to account,

00:13:12.120 we're going to lose our democracy.

00:13:13.300 Because what's going to happen is one party does it, then the next party wins, they do it.

00:13:18.560 And it's going to be an endless stream of this building up and getting worse and worse.

00:13:22.120 And suddenly we're no longer the United States or Russia or China or Iran.

00:13:27.240 uh extremely well put i want to thank our guest governor rogby goyvich uh rog boys came up through

00:13:35.400 the chairs of the cook county machine but he was also as he told me many times a great admirer of

00:13:41.040 richard nixon he actually met richard nixon he's a democratic governor who never raised taxes on

00:13:46.520 the working class families of illinois it's an anomaly jb pritzker wanted to get to him today

00:13:51.800 But that's a big, big subject, if you know what I mean, and therefore we won't be able to kick it around.

00:13:58.580 But unfortunately, another police officer has been killed in Pritzkers, Illinois.

00:14:03.380 It is really a tragedy. It really is a horrific tragedy.

00:14:06.580 Thanks, Rod, for joining us.

00:14:08.600 Thank you, Roger. Appreciate it.

00:14:10.720 Listening to The Stone Zone, when we get back, I think John Brennan may be in the hot seat.

00:14:16.000 John Brennan, who is, of course, the CIA director, was one of the major orchestrators of the Russian collusion hoax.

00:14:23.180 He slipped it into the footnotes of the president's intelligence briefing so that he could justify and rationalize FISA warrants in a special counsel that he knew was unwarranted based on false information, but based on information that had already been debunked.

00:14:42.420 But we'll talk about that when we get right back.

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00:15:24.620 Well, as I say, it's not a secret that the Justice Department's shakeup is underway.

00:15:29.320 And the Trump administration seems to be pushing forward with investigations into former CIA Director John Brennan.

00:15:35.700 Brennan is an interesting fellow.

00:15:36.800 He was the guy who, as the Riyadh station chief, signed four of the visas for the men who attacked us, allegedly on 9-11.

00:15:46.040 He also famously spied on a Senate committee that was investigating his use of illegal torture. 0.73

00:15:53.220 He is one of the great masterminds of the Russian collusion hoax,

00:15:57.040 taking the totally discredited Steele dossier and slipping it into the president's intelligence briefing to legitimize it

00:16:06.180 and use it, as I say, for the basis of an extraordinary witch hunt.

00:16:10.300 There were reports that he had received a subpoena from the Southern District of Florida.

00:16:16.000 You see, the thinking here is this is a continuing conspiracy, a seditious conspiracy that began in the Oval Office in 2016 and actually in a meeting presided over by Obama himself.

00:16:31.960 Joe Biden was there, Susan Rice, the National Security Advisor, CIA Director John O. Brennan, one of the most arrogant Trump haters on television.

00:16:41.820 and a guy who admits to being a member of the Communist Party

00:16:45.960 and admits to having voted for the Communist Party candidate.

00:16:48.700 You have to ask yourself, how does such a person become the CIA director?

00:16:52.900 He's through skull of Dougherty.

00:16:54.300 Would you be shocked to learn that he was one of the 51 who signed the claim

00:16:58.320 that Hunter Biden's laptop had all the markings of Russian intelligence,

00:17:04.380 which, of course, they knew it wasn't, that they made up?

00:17:08.340 So I think it's all about to catch up.

00:17:11.820 with John O. Brennan. There's some surprise that these subpoenas that Fox reported had been

00:17:19.120 issued to Brennan had been withdrawn. And I was told that this had to do with the change of

00:17:29.880 command in the investigation into Brennan. You now have a veteran U.S. attorney, former U.S.

00:17:38.740 attorney and bulldog lawyer, Joe DiGenova, who was a very tough prosecutor in New York,

00:17:45.520 joining the team to coordinate with the Justice Department.

00:17:50.160 This appears to be a broader shift to focus on Brandon.

00:17:54.440 Well, I think he's in deep, deep trouble.

00:17:56.340 Great book, High Streets of Treason, by my friend Ian Trottier.

00:18:00.520 You can find that online, High Streets of Treason.

00:18:03.020 I'm Roger Stone.

00:18:03.900 We'll be right back.

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00:18:15.580 As I said, you focus on John O'Brennan, a very interesting character who admits to being a communist,

00:18:22.700 and was born in the Communist Party.

00:18:24.880 He admits to being a communist party candidate in an election,

00:18:28.420 who strangely signs visas for four of the hijackers to come to the United States and plot death against America,

00:18:37.640 who spies on a Senate committee, wiretapping surveillance, also monitoring their computers of staff when they're investigating him for the illegal use of torture.

00:18:49.840 And now he's been caught literally in a new report by CIA Director Ratcliffe as having inserted quite cleverly the Steele dossier discredited document paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign.

00:19:03.700 But he is a man who reportedly during his time in Riyadh converted to Wahhabism, the most radical Muslim.

00:19:12.800 There are at least two FBI agents credibly have testified to that. 0.98

00:19:19.280 I think it is quite possible. 0.96

00:19:21.580 He's extraordinarily arrogant.

00:19:23.540 I don't understand why these subpoenas were issued and then withdrawn.

00:19:27.200 I'm told there is some coming legal technique that is different to get at this.

00:19:31.560 But I don't want it to end up like the by the the investigation of John Durham.

00:19:37.480 Many people don't know this, but John Durham was never given seat of peanut power.

00:19:44.140 So how could he investigate Russian collusion when he could just go to James Comey or John Brennan or Andrew McCabe or Rod Rosenstein and ask questions and be told to screw off because he had no authority to make them speak?

00:19:58.740 That's beyond belief. So I came to the conclusion a long time ago that Bill Barr put the Durham investigation into place to buy time because he knew there was such unhappiness on the right.

00:20:13.020 And that's why it has yielded, you know, the two indictments were of clerks and they got a slap on the wrist in the District of Columbia.

00:20:22.800 The FBI director who changed documents, a fall guy for a much larger, was suspended from the bar, has his license back, has suffered no punishment, probably a hero on the left.

00:20:36.140 Whereas the attacks on me, on General Flynn, on President Trump and his company, shows that these people cannot be trusted with power.

00:20:44.480 And now Obama, having the audacity to say that the Justice Department shouldn't be weaponized, and that is precisely what he did.

00:20:50.900 You know, there's two schools of thought about this. Some attribute this to Saul Alinsky, the famous communist agitator and operative. He wrote a famous book, Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, in which he essentially says, always attack the other side for precisely what you are doing.

00:21:07.120 Others ascribe that to Joseph Goebbels of Hitler's SS.

00:21:15.440 But it doesn't matter which attribution you buy. 0.60

00:21:19.860 I think that perfectly describes the situation here.

00:21:24.640 It is amazing that Brennan was ever selected for this position.

00:21:31.020 And now we get to see whether there will be accountability and justice.

00:21:34.800 It is interesting that the counter of the attack of the left, mostly the New York Times, but all of them saying Trump is on a revenge tour and he's weaponizing the criminal justice system against his political opponents.

00:21:49.740 In other words, doing precisely what they did for four years.

00:21:52.320 I can tell you, I lived it.

00:21:54.680 I had my civil liberties stripped from me.

00:21:57.320 I was not allowed to speak.

00:21:59.380 I was gagged unconstitutional.

00:22:01.960 I was never called before any grand jury.

00:22:06.020 Then after I was indicted, I was criticized for not testifying for the grand jury,

00:22:09.680 which I'd never been called.

00:22:11.400 They leaked for two years as a Chinese water torture 0.61

00:22:15.100 that my arrest and my indictment was imminent.

00:22:19.980 My lawyers couldn't figure out any crime that I was guilty of.

00:22:23.840 So it is those who have weaponized the system.

00:22:28.960 And the reason it ends in a place where I think we can get justice is because this conspiracy born in the White House, as I say, I believe in July of 2016, to blame the Russians if things go wrong or after things have gone wrong, is the beginning of their putting in place.

00:22:53.900 what they admit is the Clinton plan, which is to falsely claim that Trump was in bed with the

00:22:58.480 Russians, which, of course, there's no evidence, and that there was Russian interference in the

00:23:02.640 elections. And they point to several ridiculous claims. When Comey, he charges 17, I believe it 0.91

00:23:11.880 is, Russian intelligence agents with breaking into the DNC, essentially. And they never come

00:23:23.140 to trial there is no discovery with proof of that because it didn't happen then prosecutors claimed

00:23:28.920 that my case was related to that case and that they would prove they would produce evidence

00:23:34.960 against me in my case that was gleaned from search warrants in this case which they never did because

00:23:41.700 none exists they knew that the russians never hacked the dnc of course in my trial i wanted

00:23:49.020 to use expert testimony and forensic evidence to prove that there's far greater evidence

00:23:54.440 that anything that was heisted from the Democrat National Committee, where there was much anger

00:24:00.320 about the way they had changed the rules and twisted the rules to cheat Bernie Sanders,

00:24:06.980 who had come out of nowhere to put up a very robust challenge to Hillary Clinton, which

00:24:12.260 came to their surprise.

00:24:13.600 I mean, the truth is, Bernie Sanders wasn't even a Democrat.

00:24:17.920 He was still technically a socialist and kind of a cranky maverick who's been on the public paper all his entire life. 1.00

00:24:25.920 Also an extraordinary hypocrite. 0.99

00:24:28.760 You notice how Bernie Sanders used to criticize billionaires and millionaires. 1.00

00:24:33.900 Now it's mostly focused on billionaires.

00:24:37.500 Pardon me.

00:24:37.780 That's because Bernie Sanders and his wife made millions of dollars in media placement fees from his two unsuccessful but extraordinarily well-funded presidential campaigns.

00:24:48.900 Now, that's not illegal.

00:24:50.720 I think there is maybe an ethical question of not informing your donors that you're getting 15% of the action, which adds to be millions of dollars.

00:24:59.380 Bernie's driving the top-of-the-line Mercedes.

00:25:01.700 Bernie's has three vacation homes.

00:25:06.200 Bernie thinks that socialism is, in his case, for thee, but not for me, if you are him. 0.99

00:25:13.420 One of the great, great hypocrites of all time. 0.95

00:25:18.340 But his wing of the Democratic Party is ascended. 0.97

00:25:22.860 What's outrageous is the AOCs and Sheila, what's her name, Ratib.

00:25:30.000 I can barely say these foreign names.

00:25:32.080 Ilhan Omar, who now appears to be above the law. 1.00

00:25:34.620 She clearly lied on her immigration documents about being married to her brother to gain entrance to the country. 1.00

00:25:41.220 That's illegal.

00:25:42.300 But for some reason, the administration has not deported her.

00:25:46.020 I think that's a deportable crime. 0.95

00:25:48.080 She's also now suddenly extremely rich because she was tied into some of the Somalian scams that are going on in Minnesota.

00:25:55.980 Those are now being detected in other states, huge findings of fraud and millions being stolen from federal health care funds in Ohio now.

00:26:08.240 I'd add that to Michigan, Oregon, Washington, all places, these abuses.

00:26:13.620 Before it's all over, you'll find them in New York and California.

00:26:17.880 It is very interesting that in the Florida race for governor, I think Byron Donalds, who's the clear front runner at this point,

00:26:24.300 But Donald Trump's endorsement has running about 51% of the primary vote.

00:26:30.320 In second place is the lieutenant governor.

00:26:32.440 No, in second place is a media phenomena named Fishback, who's a MOOC.

00:26:39.540 I mean, literally, Coke bottle glasses, the whole thing. 0.98

00:26:42.800 It's really pathetic. 0.93

00:26:44.120 And then the lieutenant governor, Jake Collins, whose campaign is run by the notorious John Cardillo, is actually coming in third. 0.97

00:26:52.620 So the sitting lieutenant governor is coming in second to a MOOC.

00:26:57.140 It's really quite extraordinary.

00:26:59.160 The point, of course, is that Byron Donalds will run away with this.

00:27:02.560 Not only with the president's indictment, but an interesting new pledge to have a statewide doge effort go into every nook and cranny of Florida government to pull out waste, fraud, and corruption.

00:27:18.040 One place he can start, by the way, is in the Broward County Sheriff's Office,

00:27:21.660 where a piece I read this week told me that millions are missing from that particular budget.

00:27:26.540 But I think this is an idea that was popular at the end, and one of the keys to electing Donald Trump.

00:27:34.040 It was the most popular thing about Elon Musk's time in government,

00:27:37.340 which I think he did this country an enormous service by identifying not millions, not billions,

00:27:43.160 but trillions of dollars of debt that could be caught.

00:27:45.660 And the politicians have not followed through in cutting a tenth of it.

00:27:51.800 And that needs to be done. 1.00

00:27:53.180 We're being bled dry, bled dry by these Somalians, bled dry in so many ways. 1.00

00:27:59.400 AID, which was started by John F. Kennedy as a way to help small countries in this hemisphere struggling with communism, 1.00

00:28:06.940 morphed into basically a sieve from which flowed all these monies to NGOs

00:28:15.560 and other politically motivated efforts to undermine America

00:28:19.340 or actually to be used for political purposes to undermine American candidates and leaders.

00:28:25.720 So we were fighting our own tax money.

00:28:29.640 This is a cornucopia of fraud and I think quite unconstitutional

00:28:34.880 because a person cannot be compelled to advocate a position

00:28:42.060 in which he does not agree under the Constitution.

00:28:45.280 So what is happening in the country is really extraordinary.

00:28:49.220 Donald Trump clearly trying to end the war now as quickly as he can.

00:28:53.780 We have seen a drop in gas prices going back to the national trend.

00:29:00.480 The underpinnings are there, in my view, in the big, beautiful bill. 0.80

00:29:04.880 The economic progress of the country was interrupted by the war, which our leaders tell us was necessary because they were closer to building a bomb.

00:29:14.100 They boasted about it themselves. 1.00

00:29:15.980 On this, I would not want to take a chance because these mullahs are not like the Japanese or the Germans who would like to kill us but would like to survive. 1.00

00:29:25.600 These people are ready to die, and they're promised 17 vestal virgins if they die a martyr for this cause. 1.00

00:29:33.260 They're bloodthirsty murderers. They've murdered Americans all the way back to the GI base in Kuwait, the first twin towers bombing. 0.99

00:29:49.400 There's a long history of attacks on Americans by these people.

00:29:54.080 But it's not just that. It was the way they were treating their own people, actually literally executing their own citizens in the streets

00:30:00.140 because they were hungry and they could no longer put up 0.98

00:30:03.100 with the political and economic failure that is Iran. 1.00

00:30:08.260 So it's been an extraordinary week.

00:30:09.700 I watched these videos, I think it was on the Times of London,

00:30:12.540 these brave Iranian patriots singing a patriotic song

00:30:15.840 just before you watch them being hung.

00:30:18.420 These were the most shocking videos I've ever seen,

00:30:21.900 so it does show an uncommon courage.

00:30:26.700 I'm Roger Stone, and this is the Stone Zone.

00:30:29.420 And we'll be right back.

00:30:34.860 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:30:41.920 I saw the vice president this week.

00:30:44.240 He is a very hard-driving, conservative, principled man who loves his country.

00:30:50.660 He's doing a great job in a job where you don't get a lot of credit.

00:30:54.380 You don't get a lot of kudos.

00:30:55.540 It's just that's the way it is.

00:30:57.140 but he's extraordinarily effective behind the scenes and effective as he fights to make America great again.

00:31:04.340 The Trump administration has released a new trove, evidently, of unseen government files.

00:31:09.900 These are UFO-related documents, in this case called Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena, or UAPs.

00:31:18.260 This is all part of President's push to bring long-heated information into the public view.

00:31:23.900 I've spoken at great length about the fact that one of Jackie Gleason's wives insisted to me in an interview for my book that her husband, who was the great one, the Miami Beach comedian, a great supporter and friend of Richard Nixon, who wintered in Key Biscayne nearby, were great golfing partners and both liked a cocktail.

00:31:49.360 And on one occasion, the president and Jackie had had a few too many belts.

00:31:55.960 Jackie's house can still be seen along the golf course there in Miami Beach.

00:32:00.280 He did his show for Miami Beach.

00:32:02.100 It was called the Jackie Gleason Show.

00:32:04.060 He always identified Miami as the fun and sun capital of the world.

00:32:09.140 He actually made a historic endorsement video for his buddy Nixon.

00:32:15.100 He once told me of his, he was extraordinarily well-dressed,

00:32:18.800 Even for a man who was sometimes on the corpulent side, he told me he had every suit made in three sides, fat, fatter, and fattest.

00:32:28.940 He also had impressible takes in music, and he was a megastar of the day.

00:32:34.520 But he and Nixon got loaded, and it is believed, as told to be by Gleason's wife,

00:32:42.760 When Gleason started asking Nixon about whether there were flying saucers and aliens from foreign space, Nixon took them to a secret government facility that was in Homestead, Florida, where Jackie saw things that blew his mind, including remnants of foreign life, of alien life, pieces of crafts and so on.

00:33:10.680 is all recorded in my book.

00:33:13.660 Now, he and Nixon were no doubt loaded when this happened,

00:33:17.220 but it is pretty widely believed

00:33:19.940 that there's a lot the government is not telling us.

00:33:24.500 Pardon me.

00:33:25.740 However, if I notice that these things get discussed

00:33:28.820 any time they wish to distract attention

00:33:32.040 from everything else going on,

00:33:35.040 and therefore you have to wonder

00:33:36.460 whether this is a distraction.

00:33:39.400 I'm for disclosures.

00:33:40.680 In this case, the files are being housed at the war.gov slash UFO under President Trump's unsealing reporting system for such encounters, an initiative known as Pursue.

00:33:51.900 That involves the White House, the Office of Director of National Intelligence, the Department of Energy, NASA, the FBI, and the Pentagon's all-domain anomaly resolution office and other intelligence agencies.

00:34:05.000 You see, when Trump ordered the release of all the documents that were in the National Archives or all the documents pertaining to JFK's murder being declassified, he specifically said those documents in the National Archives.

00:34:23.200 But the problem was CIA, the FBI, the IRS and many other naval intelligence have withheld documents and kept them within their own departments and therefore never given to the hard charging Anna Polina Luna, the chairman of the subcommittee chairman in charge of getting at these secrets.

00:34:44.200 But she has been dogged, has gotten the CIA to admit that they had knowledge of Oswald long before they admitted it, that Oswald, in fact, had a handler.

00:34:56.580 She has, I think, documented one aspect of this, the Central Intelligence Agency's lack of the truth.

00:35:04.200 And she's also documented the attempts to blame it on the Russians.

00:35:09.200 And she's asked legitimate questions that there have been no answers for.

00:35:12.260 NBC has tapes of videos that would really enlighten whether or not for certainty Lee Harvey Oswald is indeed the killer.

00:35:20.540 There's many reasons why I doubt that he is, but those tapes have not been turned over to Chairwoman Luna, who has sought them, for example.

00:35:30.400 Also, the Kennedy family has never released interviews that Bobby Kennedy and Ethel Kennedy and Jacqueline Kennedy did with James Manchester.

00:35:44.300 Manchester was a writer at the time.

00:35:47.940 And those are sealed for another 20 years.

00:35:50.120 But I think they give us great insights into who really killed John F. Kennedy.

00:35:54.540 To me, that is the beginning of the shift of power into the hands of what Dwight Eisenhower tried to warm us about, the military-industrial complex.

00:36:04.020 Today we call it the deep state, but it's the same thing.

00:36:06.700 It is a network of unelected bureaucrats, elites, and others who pull the strings behind the scenes and probably have since that coup of 1963.

00:36:17.400 And when presidents get in their way, John F. Kennedy, who they murdered, Richard Nixon, who they murdered politically, they tried to kill Ronald Reagan but failed.

00:36:28.040 They've tried three times to kill Donald Trump, but they've failed. 0.81

00:36:31.560 These are very, very deep, dangerous people.

00:36:34.000 And unfortunately, they've burned very deep into the fabric of our government, particularly our judiciary.

00:36:39.780 People don't understand how difficult the job of acting attorney general Todd Blanche is.

00:36:44.040 magistrate judges supported by Democrats refusing the most cursory of requests regarding warrants.

00:36:51.100 Up and down the line, he's fighting a bureaucracy that has been put in place.

00:36:55.460 So those who say that justice has not come fast enough, he brought this, I think,

00:37:02.900 brilliant and worthy indictment of Joe Biden, pardon me, of Barack Obama,

00:37:09.200 that, pardon me, what am I saying, against James Comey for his seashell automation saying

00:37:14.820 89-47, that was very clearly a threat against a sitting president and for the idea that James

00:37:24.400 Comey, as the former U.S. attorney, as a former chief law enforcement officer, as the head of 0.99

00:37:30.020 the FBI, didn't know that 89-ing someone means to have them whacked, eliminate them, kill them.

00:37:36.560 So Blanche has now laugherly brought that prosecution, and I think you're going to see a lot more from the acting attorney general.

00:37:44.400 Roger Stone, thanks for joining us on The Stone Zone.

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