The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - The Stone Zone ｜ 06-20-25

00:00:00.460 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:07.580 Welcome. You are now entering the Stone Zone.

00:00:11.980 You know, NBC really is fake news.

00:00:16.180 They have an extended story about friction between President Donald Trump

00:00:21.220 and his director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.

00:00:25.920 I have spoken to people, shall we say, at the highest possible levels of the administration.

00:00:34.440 And I can tell you that this story is bogus.

00:00:38.120 There is no friction between the president and Tulsi Gabbard,

00:00:42.520 the former four-term congresswoman from Hawaii,

00:00:46.820 who is a decorated combat veteran in both Iraq and Kuwait,

00:00:51.840 continues to be a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve,

00:00:58.440 veteran member of the House International Affairs Committee,

00:01:03.440 and I think above, among President Trump's very best appointees.

00:01:09.940 I believe that there are those with their own agenda within this administration

00:01:14.860 seeking to undermine her.

00:01:17.240 Her job is to just give President Trump the very best intelligence 0.97

00:01:22.640 from 17 different intelligence agencies.

00:01:27.040 There is no rift between them.

00:01:29.440 And the president, and only the president,

00:01:32.120 will make decisions regarding actions between the Israelis and Iran.

00:01:39.760 In the meantime, we are learning more and more about the Biden Justice Department

00:01:45.560 and the extraordinary corruption that existed there.

00:01:49.520 Internal FBI emails have just been revealed that rogue agents and prosecutors

00:01:55.800 in the Biden Department of Justice were looking for additional ways

00:02:00.020 to pile on new criminal charges against Donald Trump

00:02:03.780 over the protests of January 6, 2021.

00:02:08.240 The 2023 emails, now obtained by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley,

00:02:16.220 demonstrated the nitpicking malice of anti-Trump lawfare

00:02:20.720 that tainted the special counsel Jack Smith's investigation

00:02:24.260 during Joe Biden's presidency.

00:02:27.240 Can we do some work to nail down Trump's role in this,

00:02:30.700 writes Prosecutor J.P. Cooney to the Department of Justice

00:02:34.700 and his colleagues on March 8, 2023,

00:02:38.240 in an email with the subject line,

00:02:40.720 January 6, Prisoner Choir, DJT.

00:02:45.340 And the email attached a Forbes.com article entitled,

00:02:49.840 Trump collaborates on song with January 6, Defendants.

00:02:53.440 Now, I'm very familiar with J.P. Cooney.

00:02:56.000 He was the final federal prosecutor in my case.

00:03:01.280 I also know from a previous Washington Post story

00:03:04.500 that he wanted to subpoena my emails, my text messages,

00:03:09.140 my phone calls after January 6,

00:03:11.700 even though I was not at the Capitol on January 6.

00:03:15.980 And any claim that I knew in advance about any illegal action on January 6,

00:03:22.260 any claim that I participated in, condoned,

00:03:26.340 or knew in advance about such actions is categorically false.

00:03:30.440 See, in this country, we have something called probable cause.

00:03:33.780 They can investigate an individual for crime

00:03:35.900 if they have some peripheral evidence

00:03:38.560 that they were involved in a crime or have knowledge of a crime.

00:03:42.380 But as early as April of 2020,

00:03:46.180 Reuters correctly reported

00:03:47.800 that there was no evidence whatsoever

00:03:50.740 that I was aware of or involved in any way

00:03:53.880 in any illegal activity at the Capitol.

00:03:57.880 Also, J.P. Cooney still has prosecutorial misconduct claims

00:04:02.400 pending against him

00:04:04.220 from the Steve Bannon case

00:04:07.020 filed by criminal defense lawyer David Schoen.

00:04:10.540 So, this is not surprising to me

00:04:13.840 that they were still trying to connect Donald Trump

00:04:16.860 where there is no connection.

00:04:18.880 Cooney was a deputy special counsel

00:04:20.840 who worked on the Mueller investigation,

00:04:23.640 also worked on Jack Smith's

00:04:26.340 Get Trump Special Counsel Investigations,

00:04:29.080 and Cooney's email targeted Trump

00:04:31.260 over his involvement in this recording,

00:04:34.100 which you may have heard,

00:04:35.500 in which the president recites the Pledge of Allegiance

00:04:39.540 with the January 6th Prisoner Choir

00:04:43.300 providing a soundtrack.

00:04:45.860 It is one of the most moving things you have ever heard.

00:04:50.280 According to this article in Forbes,

00:04:52.140 Trump recorded the Pledge of Allegiance at Mar-a-Lago

00:04:54.540 and Kash Patel,

00:04:56.620 who now just happens to be the FBI director,

00:04:59.960 and Ed Henry, formerly of Fox News,

00:05:03.000 were also involved,

00:05:04.740 Cooney wrote in his email chain.

00:05:06.480 The profits are routed to an LLC run by Henry,

00:05:11.020 and proceedings are intended for families

00:05:13.300 of incarcerated January 6th defendants.

00:05:16.900 But it is apparently a vetting process

00:05:19.460 that excludes families defendants

00:05:22.320 who assaulted police officers.

00:05:25.200 I asked Ahmed,

00:05:26.660 evidently this is a reference to prosecutor Ahmed Bassett,

00:05:30.520 who was fired earlier this month,

00:05:32.580 to preserve these last night.

00:05:36.380 Cooney also instructed colleagues

00:05:37.980 to start looking at some of the process

00:05:40.200 of Ed Henry's LLC,

00:05:42.980 presumably a legal process,

00:05:45.040 with such a subpoena, a search warrant,

00:05:47.520 or other court-authorized actions

00:05:49.620 to gather evidence.

00:05:50.580 Folks, this is what we call a witch hunt. 0.99

00:05:53.740 His email was forwarded to eight agents

00:05:56.220 and the Department of Justice staffs,

00:05:58.340 including notoriously anti-Trump FBI special agent

00:06:02.600 Warren Giardino,

00:06:04.880 who responded two years later

00:06:06.740 to say that he was investigating the claims

00:06:09.100 in the Forbes article

00:06:10.060 after Trump and the January 6th choir.

00:06:16.280 Esther and I are working on this today,

00:06:18.280 said Agent Giardino.

00:06:19.660 We're going to put something together.

00:06:21.160 Our findings will be at 2 p.m.

00:06:22.980 and we'll get something back to you.

00:06:24.260 Now, this fellow Giardino was Agent Zero

00:06:27.800 in a lot of the overzealous FBI actions

00:06:30.940 involving President Trump

00:06:32.620 and his allies, such as me.

00:06:34.680 Those include the investigation

00:06:36.120 of Trump-White House advisor

00:06:38.060 David Peter Navarro

00:06:39.960 on contempt of Congress charges

00:06:41.900 for refusing to appear

00:06:43.760 before the House committee

00:06:45.220 investigating the January 6th riot.

00:06:47.700 It was also Giardino's FBI team

00:06:50.500 that arrested Navarro

00:06:51.640 as he was about to board a plane

00:06:53.980 at Reagan National Airport in 2022,

00:06:56.660 putting him in leg irons

00:06:57.800 and throwing him in jail

00:06:59.220 instead of simply issuing a summons

00:07:02.100 for him to come to court

00:07:03.280 as federal judges overseeing his case

00:07:05.820 actually said

00:07:06.880 while criticizing the heavy-handedness

00:07:09.360 of the FBI.

00:07:10.920 Very similar to my situation.

00:07:13.160 I was charged with the first-time

00:07:14.580 nonviolent crime of lying to Congress,

00:07:17.920 even though no misstatement

00:07:19.660 I made to Congress hid any underlying crime.

00:07:23.500 No motive, no crime.

00:07:26.160 We would only learn this, of course,

00:07:27.840 after BuzzFeed sued the Department of Justice

00:07:32.280 and forced them to release

00:07:34.300 the entire unredacted copy

00:07:37.600 of Robert Mueller's final report.

00:07:41.080 In fact, my lawyers were in touch

00:07:43.440 with Special Counsel Mueller's office

00:07:45.460 the day before 29 FBI agents

00:07:48.980 showed up at my house

00:07:50.540 at 6 a.m. in the morning

00:07:52.260 in full SWAT gear,

00:07:55.220 wearing night goggles

00:07:56.440 and brandishing fully automatic

00:07:59.180 M4 assault weapons

00:08:01.160 when all they really had to do

00:08:03.460 was inform my criminal defense attorney

00:08:05.620 that I was going to be charged,

00:08:07.400 in which case

00:08:08.140 I would have simply turned myself in.

00:08:11.680 There is a silver lining.

00:08:13.280 I raised almost $3 million

00:08:15.340 in the 72 hours

00:08:17.260 after CNN

00:08:18.900 just happened to coincidentally

00:08:21.380 be at my home

00:08:23.060 when my wife and I

00:08:24.600 were perp-walked out

00:08:26.060 into the street

00:08:26.920 at 6 o'clock in the morning.

00:08:30.040 Of course, I was arrested

00:08:31.500 at 6.06 a.m.

00:08:33.840 and then at 6.11 a.m.

00:08:36.600 a producer from CNN

00:08:38.400 contacted my lawyer by text

00:08:41.040 and said,

00:08:41.680 your client has been arrested.

00:08:44.060 He didn't even know.

00:08:45.560 And then he said,

00:08:46.720 arrested for what?

00:08:48.260 She responded

00:08:49.260 by sending him a copy

00:08:51.440 in text

00:08:53.440 of my sealed indictment.

00:08:56.240 An indictment

00:08:57.540 that included

00:08:58.180 no time stamps,

00:08:59.600 no court markings,

00:09:01.700 clearly

00:09:02.100 a document

00:09:04.320 that was sealed

00:09:05.160 until 10.30

00:09:06.420 that morning.

00:09:08.400 So how could CNN

00:09:09.540 have possibly gotten

00:09:11.380 a copy of my

00:09:12.700 sealed indictment?

00:09:13.840 Well,

00:09:14.580 that story is told

00:09:15.960 by looking at the

00:09:17.040 metadata tags

00:09:18.320 in my criminal indictment

00:09:20.380 and finding the initials

00:09:21.920 of Andrew Weissman,

00:09:24.080 perhaps the single

00:09:25.020 most corrupt prosecutor

00:09:26.400 in U.S. history

00:09:27.780 and obviously,

00:09:29.060 therefore,

00:09:29.440 the man who leaked

00:09:30.680 the document

00:09:31.500 to CNN

00:09:32.580 who later got

00:09:34.320 an award

00:09:34.960 for being there

00:09:36.520 when I was arrested

00:09:37.640 claiming that

00:09:39.000 their presence

00:09:39.600 was based on

00:09:40.500 a journalistic

00:09:41.800 hunch.

00:09:43.420 Hunch,

00:09:44.320 well,

00:09:45.640 I can't say it

00:09:46.340 because it's

00:09:46.680 a family program.

00:09:48.120 This is an absurdity.

00:09:50.140 So,

00:09:50.640 those who were

00:09:51.460 deeply involved

00:09:52.220 in Operation Crossfire Hurricane,

00:09:54.540 the debunked

00:09:55.340 Russian collusion

00:09:56.040 investigation,

00:09:57.360 those who were

00:09:58.000 involved in the

00:09:58.720 investigations

00:09:59.320 of Trump allies

00:10:00.800 like Dan Scavino

00:10:02.000 and myself

00:10:02.780 as well as

00:10:04.060 the Hillary Clinton's

00:10:05.000 emails erased,

00:10:06.460 these folks

00:10:07.220 now come under

00:10:09.000 the investigation

00:10:10.100 of the Senate committee

00:10:11.740 headed by

00:10:12.900 Chuck Grassley.

00:10:14.980 Whistleblowers 1.00

00:10:15.700 have told Grassley

00:10:16.980 that FBI agents

00:10:18.320 like Giardina

00:10:19.240 openly stated

00:10:20.640 their desire

00:10:21.280 to investigate Trump

00:10:22.420 even if it meant

00:10:23.580 a false predication.

00:10:25.580 Again,

00:10:25.920 as I spoke earlier,

00:10:27.440 you have to have

00:10:28.280 a probable cause

00:10:29.720 before you can

00:10:30.720 open an investigation.

00:10:33.060 Making a recording

00:10:34.180 of citing

00:10:36.140 the Pledge of Allegiance

00:10:37.620 while January 6th

00:10:39.320 prisoners

00:10:39.740 record a soundtrack

00:10:41.680 of the national anthem

00:10:44.120 in the background

00:10:45.440 is hardly the predicate

00:10:47.360 one needs

00:10:48.100 to open a criminal

00:10:49.580 investigation.

00:10:51.080 In the meantime,

00:10:51.980 President Donald Trump

00:10:53.300 has called

00:10:54.340 for the appointment

00:10:56.020 of a special counsel

00:10:58.000 to look into

00:10:59.300 the 2020 elections.

00:11:02.580 I think this is

00:11:03.640 one of the best ideas

00:11:05.080 I've heard

00:11:05.760 in some time.

00:11:07.220 It will allow us

00:11:08.220 once and for all

00:11:09.700 to establish

00:11:10.680 what actually happened

00:11:12.160 in 2020.

00:11:13.680 Without making

00:11:14.520 any claims here,

00:11:16.200 I do point out

00:11:17.140 that only last week

00:11:18.940 FBI Director

00:11:20.380 Kash Patel

00:11:21.320 announced that he

00:11:22.420 had turned over

00:11:23.340 to the Senate Judiciary

00:11:26.760 Committee

00:11:27.380 records regarding

00:11:29.460 20,000

00:11:31.380 fake

00:11:32.760 driver's licenses

00:11:34.300 that came into

00:11:35.620 Chicago

00:11:36.260 from China

00:11:38.160 just before

00:11:39.640 the 2020

00:11:40.760 election.

00:11:42.480 That would mean,

00:11:43.840 of course,

00:11:44.260 that Christopher Wray,

00:11:45.780 the FBI Director,

00:11:47.940 lied under oath

00:11:49.360 to Congress

00:11:50.060 when he said

00:11:51.160 that he was

00:11:51.680 completely unaware

00:11:52.800 of any plot

00:11:54.900 by any foreign nation

00:11:56.820 to interfere

00:11:57.720 with the 2020 elections.

00:12:01.120 So I think

00:12:01.700 we need

00:12:02.580 this special prosecutor.

00:12:05.140 I would recommend

00:12:06.260 either Eagle Ed Martin

00:12:08.140 or I think

00:12:08.680 it is Phil Klein

00:12:10.480 who I think

00:12:11.200 is the Attorney General

00:12:13.180 of Kansas,

00:12:14.280 I believe,

00:12:15.160 both of whom

00:12:15.860 have done extraordinary

00:12:16.720 work to uncover

00:12:17.960 whether we had

00:12:20.020 an honest election

00:12:20.980 in 2020

00:12:22.040 or not.

00:12:24.080 It's clearly

00:12:25.200 time for the American

00:12:26.360 people to know

00:12:27.440 the truth.

00:12:28.660 Ultimately,

00:12:29.180 of course,

00:12:29.700 these efforts

00:12:30.280 to set up

00:12:30.920 Donald Trump

00:12:31.500 regarding January 6th

00:12:35.260 failed

00:12:35.700 because he

00:12:36.640 comprehensively

00:12:37.580 won the 2024 election.

00:12:39.820 Smith was forced

00:12:40.900 to drop the January 6th

00:12:42.340 and the Mar-a-Lago

00:12:43.700 cases against him

00:12:45.240 and Trump

00:12:46.500 subsequently

00:12:49.200 fired both Smith

00:12:51.080 and their law firms

00:12:52.660 and I think

00:12:53.900 correctly

00:12:54.500 pardoned

00:12:55.200 every January 6th

00:12:57.740 defendant.

00:12:58.940 Donald Trump

00:12:59.720 is a man

00:13:00.320 who says

00:13:01.060 what he means

00:13:01.860 and means

00:13:03.300 what he says.

00:13:05.420 Meanwhile,

00:13:06.720 I point out

00:13:07.980 yet again

00:13:08.600 that Chelsea 0.61

00:13:09.600 Gabbard's

00:13:10.360 comments

00:13:10.980 before the Senate

00:13:11.840 regarding Iran

00:13:13.700 and their process

00:13:15.260 of making

00:13:15.780 the nuclear bomb

00:13:16.780 have been taken

00:13:17.360 out of context

00:13:18.340 so be on the lookout

00:13:19.680 for fake news

00:13:21.000 regarding

00:13:21.640 Tulsi Gabbard.

00:13:23.460 If you're just

00:13:23.940 tuning in,

00:13:24.760 I'm Roger Stone

00:13:25.720 and this is

00:13:26.600 The Stone Zone.

00:13:27.600 We'll be back

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00:13:29.960 so whatever you do,

00:13:31.100 please,

00:13:31.800 please,

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00:14:26.760 in the zone.

00:14:28.280 As I say,

00:14:29.140 Director of National

00:14:29.900 Intelligence,

00:14:30.540 Tulsi Gabbard,

00:14:31.300 is now fired back

00:14:32.580 at CNN

00:14:33.260 and others,

00:14:34.940 saying she and

00:14:35.660 President Trump

00:14:36.260 are on the exact

00:14:37.780 same page

00:14:38.640 when it comes

00:14:39.160 to the question

00:14:39.780 of Iran's 0.76

00:14:40.920 nuclear capabilities

00:14:42.160 and their timeline.

00:14:44.500 Gabbard called

00:14:45.420 out the media

00:14:46.140 for taking some

00:14:47.060 of her comments

00:14:47.880 out of context,

00:14:49.300 leaving out her

00:14:50.360 full testimony

00:14:51.380 before Congress.

00:14:53.280 CNN's Caitlin Collins

00:14:54.740 asked Trump

00:14:55.340 aboard Air Force One

00:14:56.500 to respond to remarks

00:14:57.620 made by Gabbard

00:15:00.540 under oath

00:15:01.160 before the House

00:15:02.840 when Gabbard

00:15:04.320 testified in March

00:15:05.260 that the intelligence

00:15:06.000 movement said

00:15:06.560 Iran wasn't 1.00

00:15:07.560 building nuclear

00:15:08.460 weapons,

00:15:09.460 Collins claimed.

00:15:10.760 In response,

00:15:11.840 Gabbard fired back

00:15:13.300 on Twitter,

00:15:13.860 saying she and

00:15:14.400 the president

00:15:14.820 were completely

00:15:15.540 aligned in their

00:15:17.140 assessment in March.

00:15:18.840 If you go back

00:15:19.720 and look,

00:15:20.120 you will see that

00:15:20.780 President Trump

00:15:21.460 was saying the

00:15:22.440 exact same thing

00:15:23.360 that Gabbard said

00:15:25.020 in her annual

00:15:26.180 threat assessment

00:15:27.080 back in March.

00:15:28.380 Unfortunately,

00:15:28.980 too many people

00:15:29.680 in the media

00:15:30.140 don't care to read

00:15:31.800 all of what

00:15:32.800 I actually said.

00:15:35.000 Gabbard's statement

00:15:36.120 was certified

00:15:37.060 by the Daily Caller,

00:15:39.280 an independent

00:15:39.820 news outlet

00:15:40.540 that followed up

00:15:41.380 with the office

00:15:42.100 of the Director

00:15:43.280 of National Intelligence.

00:15:45.240 In her March

00:15:46.020 testimony before Congress,

00:15:48.020 Gabbard provided

00:15:48.760 a detailed insight

00:15:50.100 into the intelligence

00:15:51.440 community's assessment

00:15:52.540 of Iranian

00:15:53.920 nuclear threat.

00:15:55.960 In the last year,

00:15:57.260 we've seen an erosion

00:15:58.360 of the Decker's law

00:15:59.900 taboo in Iran

00:16:01.320 of discussing

00:16:02.360 nuclear weapons

00:16:03.240 in public,

00:16:04.200 likely emboldening

00:16:05.580 nuclear weapons

00:16:06.560 advocates within

00:16:07.420 Iran's decision-making 0.95

00:16:09.000 apparatus.

00:16:10.080 Here are the key words.

00:16:11.800 Iran's enriched 0.99

00:16:13.020 uranium stockpile

00:16:14.560 is at its highest

00:16:16.020 level ever

00:16:16.860 and is unprecedented

00:16:18.360 for a state

00:16:19.240 without nuclear weapons.

00:16:22.360 Gabbard also spoke

00:16:23.520 from Capitol Hill

00:16:24.260 on Tuesday,

00:16:25.600 saying what President

00:16:26.760 Trump is saying

00:16:27.520 is the same thing

00:16:28.160 that I said

00:16:28.800 in my annual threat

00:16:30.600 assessment in March

00:16:31.780 to Congress.

00:16:33.320 Gabbard was in

00:16:34.480 the Situation Room

00:16:35.480 meeting with Trump

00:16:36.320 to discuss the ongoing

00:16:38.100 conflict in the Middle East

00:16:39.520 this past Tuesday.

00:16:41.400 With the Trump

00:16:42.140 administration

00:16:42.800 weighing its next move,

00:16:44.720 Gabbard was in

00:16:45.540 on every meeting

00:16:46.460 at the White House

00:16:47.120 to discuss

00:16:47.800 Middle Eastern options.

00:16:50.200 Media reports

00:16:51.360 to the contrary

00:16:52.220 are false.

00:16:53.140 The first Israeli 0.99

00:16:54.580 strikes came

00:16:55.240 just hours

00:16:55.920 after Iran 0.93

00:16:56.720 announced plans

00:16:57.660 to build

00:16:58.600 and activate

00:16:59.380 a third

00:17:00.380 nuclear enrichment

00:17:01.740 facility

00:17:02.400 this past Thursday.

00:17:04.360 So Iran's 0.98

00:17:04.960 announcements

00:17:05.580 heightened tensions

00:17:06.720 with the United States

00:17:07.620 nuclear watchdog,

00:17:08.820 which earlier

00:17:09.560 that day

00:17:10.100 formally declared

00:17:11.120 Iran in violation 0.89

00:17:12.780 of its

00:17:13.280 non-proliferation

00:17:14.440 obligations

00:17:15.380 aimed at preventing

00:17:16.780 the development

00:17:17.780 of nuclear weapons.

00:17:20.580 Again,

00:17:21.060 the stories

00:17:22.740 in the fake news

00:17:24.300 detailing a rift

00:17:26.460 between President

00:17:27.940 Donald Trump

00:17:28.840 and his Director

00:17:30.280 of National Intelligence,

00:17:31.940 Tulsi Gabbard,

00:17:32.840 are completely false.

00:17:34.440 Coming up next,

00:17:35.620 investigative

00:17:36.340 journalist

00:17:38.420 Sam Antar,

00:17:41.000 fraud investigator

00:17:42.360 par excellence,

00:17:44.080 has a shocking

00:17:44.960 news story

00:17:45.980 regarding

00:17:46.660 Attorney General

00:17:48.020 Letitia James.

00:17:49.440 You don't want

00:17:50.160 to miss this, folks.

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00:18:39.340 The Stone Zone

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00:18:43.340 Welcome back.

00:18:46.540 I'm Roger Stone,

00:18:47.780 and we're back

00:18:48.540 in the Stone Zone.

00:18:50.100 Joining me now

00:18:51.180 is Sam E. Antar.

00:18:53.720 He's a former

00:18:54.720 certified public accountant

00:18:56.600 whose career trajectory

00:18:58.500 took a remarkable turn

00:19:00.420 from perpetrator

00:19:01.960 to investigator

00:19:03.060 of financial fraud.

00:19:04.640 You see,

00:19:05.220 Sam was the former

00:19:06.380 chief financial officer

00:19:07.980 of Crazy Eddie.

00:19:09.260 Remember them?

00:19:09.840 a major consumer

00:19:11.500 electronics chain

00:19:12.620 in the northeastern

00:19:13.440 United States

00:19:14.140 during the 1980s.

00:19:15.980 Sam was one

00:19:16.640 of the key figures

00:19:17.740 in one of the decade's

00:19:19.880 largest security

00:19:21.720 fraud schemes.

00:19:23.620 But Sam E. Antar

00:19:25.120 paid his debt

00:19:26.660 to society,

00:19:28.080 and following

00:19:28.640 his criminal conviction

00:19:30.020 after paying the price,

00:19:31.980 he redirected

00:19:32.840 his expertise

00:19:33.560 towards forensic accounting,

00:19:36.200 leveraging his

00:19:37.060 first-hand knowledge

00:19:38.200 of financial fraud

00:19:40.000 to help combat

00:19:41.700 white-collar fraud.

00:19:43.800 His unique perspective

00:19:44.960 and technical expertise

00:19:46.780 have made him

00:19:47.440 an expert advisor

00:19:48.500 to various clients,

00:19:50.700 including law firms,

00:19:52.620 government agencies,

00:19:54.240 law enforcement departments,

00:19:56.100 independent investment

00:19:57.500 research firms,

00:19:58.960 hedge funds,

00:19:59.840 and others.

00:20:00.980 His website,

00:20:02.640 whitecollarfraud.com,

00:20:05.400 is a must-see.

00:20:07.300 Joining me now

00:20:09.020 in the Stone Zone,

00:20:10.240 none other than

00:20:11.420 Sam E. Antar.

00:20:12.340 Sam, welcome

00:20:13.280 into the room.

00:20:13.740 How are you, Roger?

00:20:15.780 Thank you for having me on.

00:20:17.900 I'm delighted to have you

00:20:19.300 because, well,

00:20:20.160 you always break big news

00:20:22.620 and you have new big news.

00:20:25.340 A story you have just broken

00:20:26.820 on your website

00:20:28.440 essentially outlines

00:20:30.760 the fact

00:20:31.640 that Governor

00:20:33.760 Kathy Hochul's

00:20:35.160 husband's law firm

00:20:36.880 Davis Polk

00:20:38.500 had a $325,000

00:20:41.880 dormant contract

00:20:43.780 with the Attorney General's office.

00:20:46.420 It had been dormant

00:20:48.320 for 14 months.

00:20:50.740 Zero dollars paid.

00:20:52.540 Nothing moved.

00:20:53.820 Then suddenly,

00:20:55.320 in January,

00:20:56.980 after Hochul's husband

00:20:58.780 joined the firm,

00:21:00.480 even after the contract

00:21:03.520 had expired

00:21:04.600 or, should I say,

00:21:07.860 401 days after it began

00:21:09.780 and 37 days

00:21:11.640 after it was expired,

00:21:13.540 they suddenly got

00:21:14.740 a $231,000 payment.

00:21:18.600 Now, coincidentally,

00:21:20.640 this appears to have happened

00:21:22.940 contiguous

00:21:23.860 with the Guardian reporting

00:21:26.200 that a federal grand jury

00:21:27.820 is now investigating

00:21:29.680 Attorney General

00:21:30.820 Letitia James

00:21:32.380 for serial mortgage fraud.

00:21:35.580 So, the same day,

00:21:38.380 the Hochul budget passed

00:21:40.000 including a $10 million

00:21:42.900 taxpayer-funded legal shield

00:21:45.560 for state officials

00:21:47.000 under federal investigation.

00:21:50.060 Like with all your reports,

00:21:52.200 Sam,

00:21:52.460 this isn't speculation.

00:21:54.080 It's all documented

00:21:55.440 right there

00:21:56.160 at whitecollarfraud.com.

00:21:59.120 So, lay the story

00:22:00.760 out for us, Sam.

00:22:02.220 Okay.

00:22:03.080 First of all,

00:22:04.380 it's really a story

00:22:06.480 about a financial triangle

00:22:08.420 between Hochul

00:22:09.760 and her husband

00:22:10.740 and Letitia James 0.93

00:22:12.520 and the law firm.

00:22:13.820 So, let's start out

00:22:14.880 from the very beginning.

00:22:16.140 Let's go back

00:22:17.060 to February 1st, 2023.

00:22:21.060 Davis Polk

00:22:22.080 signed the contract

00:22:23.400 for $325,000

00:22:27.680 with the New York

00:22:30.000 Attorney General's Office.

00:22:31.500 Now, they've been doing business

00:22:32.620 with other agencies

00:22:33.560 and, in fact,

00:22:34.940 from 2001 to 2024,

00:22:37.720 they received $7 million

00:22:39.100 from other New York City

00:22:41.140 government agencies.

00:22:42.580 But what makes this interesting

00:22:43.960 is that this contract

00:22:45.200 that they signed

00:22:46.260 just lay dormant.

00:22:48.840 And not only that,

00:22:50.880 it was filed

00:22:52.340 and approved

00:22:54.340 over 400 days

00:22:57.820 after the contract began.

00:22:59.940 So, it didn't exist

00:23:01.220 on paper,

00:23:02.620 at least on our paper.

00:23:04.060 In other words,

00:23:04.700 it wasn't visible.

00:23:06.580 So, February 1st,

00:23:08.380 the contract begins.

00:23:10.160 There are no payments

00:23:11.320 for 14 months.

00:23:13.440 Okay?

00:23:14.320 Exactly 11 months later,

00:23:16.900 William Hochul,

00:23:19.100 Kathy Hochul's husband,

00:23:20.840 joins Davis Polk.

00:23:22.940 He gets $950,000

00:23:25.920 in 2024

00:23:27.780 and his employment

00:23:28.900 starts on January 2nd,

00:23:31.160 2024.

00:23:33.400 Okay?

00:23:34.200 On January 31st,

00:23:36.740 2024,

00:23:38.560 the contract

00:23:39.620 with Davis Polk

00:23:40.740 expired.

00:23:41.480 No money,

00:23:42.680 no visible authority

00:23:43.980 for continued payments.

00:23:45.540 It just goes off

00:23:47.020 the radar.

00:23:49.340 Then on March 8th,

00:23:51.260 the expired contract

00:23:53.420 is filed

00:23:55.080 and approved

00:23:55.840 37 days

00:23:57.420 after

00:23:58.100 it expired,

00:24:00.960 which is about

00:24:01.480 400 days

00:24:02.620 after the contract

00:24:03.800 was initiated. 0.80

00:24:05.100 What the hell

00:24:05.520 is going on there?

00:24:07.300 Then,

00:24:08.100 on April 30th,

00:24:11.780 2024,

00:24:13.900 the contract

00:24:14.600 is,

00:24:15.720 I'm sorry,

00:24:17.440 between March

00:24:18.380 and April 2024,

00:24:20.200 the contract

00:24:20.940 is extended

00:24:21.840 because William Hochul

00:24:24.500 is now part

00:24:25.480 of the firm.

00:24:27.200 And on April 30th,

00:24:29.200 2004,

00:24:32.140 the,

00:24:33.460 William Hochul's firm

00:24:35.640 gets their first payment,

00:24:37.300 $231,644

00:24:40.160 payable

00:24:41.220 to Davis Polk,

00:24:42.660 his law firm.

00:24:43.880 Okay?

00:24:44.760 Then,

00:24:45.640 okay,

00:24:46.280 let's fast forward.

00:24:47.880 Now they're starting

00:24:49.440 to get payments

00:24:50.160 as soon as

00:24:50.920 William Hochul joins.

00:24:52.640 Now let's fast forward.

00:24:54.720 March,

00:24:55.660 March,

00:24:56.820 March 8th,

00:24:59.700 2025,

00:25:01.160 the Guardian reports

00:25:02.260 as a grand jury

00:25:03.440 and panels

00:25:04.880 in Virginia.

00:25:06.900 Other,

00:25:07.480 other outlets report

00:25:09.100 that there's

00:25:09.800 an FBI investigation

00:25:13.460 out of New York.

00:25:14.700 And on that same day,

00:25:16.120 Hochul goes and provides 0.50

00:25:17.660 her with a $10 million

00:25:18.840 defense fund.

00:25:20.340 Now,

00:25:22.000 $425,000,

00:25:24.840 $400,000,

00:25:26.300 $483,000

00:25:27.660 was paid

00:25:28.820 to Hochul's law firm

00:25:30.900 from the,

00:25:31.300 from the,

00:25:32.160 from the New York

00:25:33.080 Attorney General's office,

00:25:35.100 Tish James' office.

00:25:36.300 Before that happened,

00:25:38.080 okay?

00:25:38.420 And it only happened

00:25:39.940 after Hochul's husband

00:25:41.440 joined the firm.

00:25:43.100 So what you have here

00:25:44.460 is a financial

00:25:45.320 quid pro quo,

00:25:46.740 a protection network,

00:25:48.300 a triangle protection network

00:25:50.160 between Hochul,

00:25:54.480 Tish James,

00:25:55.160 and the husband's law firm.

00:25:56.640 So,

00:25:58.560 Sam,

00:25:58.800 let me ask what I think

00:26:00.140 that should be

00:26:00.720 an obvious question.

00:26:02.000 The allegations

00:26:02.760 against Attorney General

00:26:05.040 Letitia James,

00:26:06.680 which today are just

00:26:07.780 the allegations,

00:26:08.880 serious allegations,

00:26:10.120 documented allegations,

00:26:11.240 but the allegations

00:26:12.160 all involve

00:26:13.920 her private conduct

00:26:15.460 as a citizen.

00:26:16.420 They involve

00:26:17.020 her personal

00:26:18.280 mortgages

00:26:19.880 and what appears

00:26:20.760 to me to be

00:26:21.360 a 22-year record

00:26:23.300 of serial

00:26:24.600 mortgage fraud.

00:26:26.840 Why should

00:26:27.600 the New York

00:26:28.240 taxpayers

00:26:29.040 pick up the tab

00:26:30.340 for her legal defense?

00:26:32.060 These are not

00:26:33.040 investigations

00:26:34.400 into her

00:26:35.300 official actions

00:26:36.860 as Attorney General,

00:26:39.360 but investigations

00:26:40.460 into her

00:26:41.320 personal conduct.

00:26:43.520 Why should

00:26:43.960 taxpayers be

00:26:44.740 picking up the tab?

00:26:46.400 I agree with you.

00:26:47.620 That's exactly right.

00:26:48.860 I could understand

00:26:49.780 if she sued

00:26:50.940 as part of her job,

00:26:52.500 as part of her duties

00:26:53.640 as the Attorney General.

00:26:55.120 But this mortgage fraud

00:26:56.880 predates her duties

00:26:59.840 as an Attorney General

00:27:00.900 and still has nothing

00:27:02.220 to do with it

00:27:02.980 as it occurred

00:27:03.700 when she was

00:27:04.520 Attorney General.

00:27:05.720 Not only that,

00:27:07.120 but this mortgage fraud

00:27:08.500 predates

00:27:09.300 when Trump

00:27:10.100 became a Republican.

00:27:11.600 He was a Democrat

00:27:12.480 at the time.

00:27:13.420 So you can't argue that.

00:27:16.200 Trump didn't put

00:27:17.420 pencil to paper.

00:27:18.820 MAGA didn't put 0.87

00:27:19.700 pencil to paper.

00:27:20.460 You didn't put

00:27:21.480 pencil to paper.

00:27:22.420 Me, a Democrat,

00:27:23.240 I didn't put

00:27:23.740 pencil to paper.

00:27:24.860 All we did was

00:27:25.620 look at her documents

00:27:26.820 and it reveals

00:27:27.920 a fraud.

00:27:28.840 And on top of that,

00:27:29.800 you've got New York

00:27:30.440 state taxpayers

00:27:31.440 footing the bill

00:27:32.240 for something

00:27:32.680 that doesn't have

00:27:33.620 to do with her job.

00:27:34.800 And the coincidence

00:27:35.640 is that $10 million

00:27:37.280 comes after

00:27:39.160 Hoekhul's 0.89

00:27:40.480 husband's law firm

00:27:41.620 receives

00:27:42.300 $483,000.

00:27:44.160 You know,

00:27:46.620 I wasn't born

00:27:48.280 yesterday.

00:27:48.960 It smells.

00:27:49.760 Go ahead.

00:27:50.120 I'm sorry.

00:27:51.320 I didn't mean

00:27:52.080 to cut you off.

00:27:52.720 Sam,

00:27:53.080 the thing that's

00:27:53.880 interesting here,

00:27:54.620 of course,

00:27:55.060 is that

00:27:55.740 Letitia James'

00:27:57.320 defense

00:27:57.940 on all these matters

00:27:59.060 is that this is

00:28:00.120 retribution

00:28:00.820 or revenge

00:28:01.720 by Donald Trump.

00:28:04.320 As I recall,

00:28:05.960 you are not only

00:28:06.880 not a Republican,

00:28:07.940 you're not a Trump

00:28:08.580 supporter.

00:28:09.800 No,

00:28:10.160 I don't even like,

00:28:10.900 I don't even,

00:28:11.580 personally,

00:28:12.220 I don't even like him.

00:28:13.820 There you go.

00:28:15.160 So this idea

00:28:16.020 that you are

00:28:16.800 somehow an agent

00:28:18.320 for the revenge

00:28:20.120 of Donald Trump 0.85

00:28:20.840 is pretty laughable. 0.87

00:28:23.480 Interestingly enough,

00:28:24.560 the Federal Housing

00:28:25.480 Finance Administration,

00:28:27.660 which has

00:28:28.400 specific authority

00:28:29.660 to regulate

00:28:31.540 mortgages

00:28:32.220 and to

00:28:32.920 search

00:28:33.740 for mortgage

00:28:34.980 fraud,

00:28:36.080 reviewed

00:28:36.780 all of the

00:28:37.900 allegations

00:28:38.500 that you first

00:28:39.480 raised publicly

00:28:40.540 and after

00:28:42.300 their lawyers

00:28:43.240 reviewed them,

00:28:45.480 sent a formal

00:28:46.980 letter

00:28:49.000 over to

00:28:50.440 the Department

00:28:50.980 of Justice,

00:28:51.720 which is essentially

00:28:52.920 a referral

00:28:54.780 for criminal action.

00:28:57.380 Now,

00:28:57.840 some have argued

00:28:59.120 that although

00:29:00.920 it is undisputed

00:29:02.540 that

00:29:03.880 the Attorney General,

00:29:06.500 Letitia James,

00:29:07.420 lied on these

00:29:09.260 sworn forms,

00:29:11.400 signing 12

00:29:12.280 different places,

00:29:13.400 by the way,

00:29:14.400 so saying it was

00:29:15.040 a typo is not

00:29:16.000 going to fly,

00:29:17.300 saying when she

00:29:18.320 applied for a

00:29:19.120 mortgage in

00:29:20.280 Brooklyn,

00:29:21.520 that she,

00:29:22.580 pardon me,

00:29:22.900 in Virginia,

00:29:23.760 that she

00:29:24.340 and her

00:29:25.740 daughter

00:29:26.420 would inhabit

00:29:28.160 the home

00:29:30.340 in which they

00:29:31.060 were borrowing

00:29:31.900 to get a

00:29:32.900 mortgage,

00:29:33.920 when obviously

00:29:35.280 she cannot

00:29:36.280 be a resident

00:29:37.120 of Virginia

00:29:37.920 and still

00:29:39.160 legally serve

00:29:40.620 as the

00:29:41.480 Attorney General

00:29:42.340 of the

00:29:43.120 State of

00:29:44.140 New York.

00:29:44.740 But some

00:29:45.560 people have

00:29:46.120 said,

00:29:46.520 well,

00:29:47.160 she may 0.94

00:29:47.720 have lied,

00:29:49.160 but since

00:29:49.680 there was no

00:29:50.280 advantage to

00:29:51.240 her,

00:29:52.260 there is no

00:29:52.980 crime.

00:29:53.640 How would

00:29:54.020 you address

00:29:54.460 that?

00:29:55.720 U.S.

00:29:56.480 U.S.

00:29:57.220 Code,

00:29:57.600 I think it's

00:29:58.100 101.4.

00:29:59.220 I might

00:29:59.580 have gotten

00:30:00.080 the last

00:30:00.900 two numbers

00:30:01.440 wrong.

00:30:02.380 But under

00:30:03.540 the U.S.

00:30:05.020 Code and

00:30:05.760 also under

00:30:06.540 Supreme Court

00:30:07.360 cases,

00:30:07.840 you don't

00:30:08.240 even have

00:30:08.760 to prove

00:30:09.500 that the

00:30:10.080 lender relied

00:30:10.940 upon it

00:30:11.640 or used

00:30:12.580 it.

00:30:12.980 All you

00:30:13.480 have to

00:30:13.880 show that

00:30:14.520 there was

00:30:14.900 an intent

00:30:15.460 to influence

00:30:16.580 the lender,

00:30:17.520 which is

00:30:18.020 squarely

00:30:18.980 there.

00:30:20.560 Okay?

00:30:21.160 Another thing

00:30:22.000 is,

00:30:22.700 so therefore,

00:30:24.260 if the lender

00:30:24.780 does not even

00:30:25.640 use the

00:30:26.240 information or

00:30:27.040 rely on it,

00:30:28.140 a federal

00:30:28.780 crime was

00:30:29.520 committed when

00:30:30.220 she signed

00:30:30.920 that document

00:30:31.700 and turned

00:30:32.260 it over to

00:30:32.820 the mortgage

00:30:33.280 company.

00:30:34.040 And that

00:30:34.520 document,

00:30:35.440 which I don't

00:30:36.000 think she

00:30:36.360 counted on

00:30:37.220 being recorded,

00:30:38.520 was recorded

00:30:39.360 with the

00:30:40.520 mortgage.

00:30:41.140 It's a

00:30:41.600 public record.

00:30:44.100 So I don't

00:30:44.780 buy that

00:30:45.800 standard,

00:30:46.680 well,

00:30:47.200 no harm,

00:30:47.960 no foul,

00:30:48.900 that BS.

00:30:50.080 First of all,

00:30:50.560 we don't know

00:30:51.120 if there was

00:30:51.520 any harm or

00:30:52.160 foul.

00:30:52.800 Second of all,

00:30:53.660 even if there

00:30:54.280 was no harm

00:30:55.080 or foul,

00:30:55.820 she committed

00:30:56.420 a federal

00:30:57.040 crime by

00:30:58.160 relying on

00:30:59.140 that document.

00:31:00.600 Now,

00:31:01.260 it's not just

00:31:02.040 that one

00:31:02.640 off thing,

00:31:03.640 okay?

00:31:04.100 You're talking

00:31:04.780 about a history

00:31:05.880 of false

00:31:07.040 financial disclosures.

00:31:09.080 It's not like,

00:31:09.820 oh,

00:31:10.020 I made one

00:31:10.560 mistake.

00:31:10.980 Okay,

00:31:11.400 I get it.

00:31:11.880 Sometimes people

00:31:12.580 make mistakes,

00:31:13.320 okay?

00:31:13.740 But this is not

00:31:14.680 a mistake,

00:31:15.540 okay?

00:31:15.960 This was witnessed

00:31:16.820 by two people

00:31:17.920 in her office.

00:31:18.940 This is the

00:31:19.420 Attorney General

00:31:20.500 of the State

00:31:21.280 of New York

00:31:21.840 signing a

00:31:22.620 sworn document,

00:31:23.580 and it says

00:31:24.620 in caps

00:31:25.320 that she

00:31:26.080 intended to

00:31:27.500 make it

00:31:27.900 her primary

00:31:28.560 residence.

00:31:30.260 And this was

00:31:30.860 done about

00:31:31.720 30 or 40

00:31:32.540 days before

00:31:33.260 the Trump

00:31:33.760 trial.

00:31:35.160 The ultimate 0.58

00:31:36.040 hypocrisy.

00:31:38.140 Well, 0.89

00:31:38.680 plus,

00:31:39.020 in many cases,

00:31:40.360 she borrows

00:31:41.780 substantially more

00:31:42.960 in mortgages

00:31:43.780 than the value

00:31:44.740 of the property.

00:31:45.680 So,

00:31:46.260 is she not

00:31:47.100 inflating the

00:31:48.420 value of her

00:31:50.040 assets?

00:31:50.400 It's exactly

00:31:50.920 what,

00:31:51.400 ironically,

00:31:52.480 she accused

00:31:53.440 Donald Trump

00:31:54.240 of doing

00:31:54.880 in a bogus

00:31:57.520 case in New

00:31:58.260 York under

00:31:58.940 a law in

00:31:59.440 which no one

00:32:00.320 has ever

00:32:00.980 been prosecuted?

00:32:02.600 Okay,

00:32:03.080 I'm sorry to

00:32:03.680 interrupt you.

00:32:03.960 It's entirely

00:32:04.580 possible.

00:32:05.240 Let me explain.

00:32:06.040 She has another

00:32:06.680 property in

00:32:07.440 Virginia on

00:32:08.180 Peroni Avenue,

00:32:09.220 okay?

00:32:10.120 She states

00:32:11.240 that the value

00:32:12.220 is between

00:32:13.040 $100,000 to

00:32:13.940 $150,000.

00:32:15.920 That's her. 0.88

00:32:17.080 Not me,

00:32:17.800 not you,

00:32:18.760 not anybody

00:32:19.360 else,

00:32:20.140 her.

00:32:20.400 Now,

00:32:21.720 she has

00:32:22.400 a $108,000

00:32:23.940 mortgage that

00:32:25.000 wasn't disclosed

00:32:26.240 in her financial

00:32:27.060 disclosures,

00:32:27.880 so now we

00:32:28.480 have $108,000.

00:32:30.340 Let's leave

00:32:30.880 out the

00:32:31.220 question of

00:32:31.720 why she

00:32:32.180 omitted it

00:32:32.720 from her

00:32:33.040 financial

00:32:33.500 disclosures.

00:32:34.660 Then there

00:32:35.220 are two

00:32:35.560 other mortgages

00:32:36.420 that are

00:32:36.960 in her

00:32:37.880 financial

00:32:38.420 disclosures

00:32:39.140 but are

00:32:39.760 not in

00:32:40.220 the property

00:32:40.740 record.

00:32:41.160 You want

00:32:41.380 to call

00:32:41.680 them

00:32:41.820 phantom

00:32:42.260 mortgages,

00:32:43.020 unrecorded

00:32:43.660 mortgages,

00:32:44.160 exception.

00:32:44.920 When you

00:32:45.340 add up

00:32:45.920 the two

00:32:46.380 phantom

00:32:46.880 mortgages

00:32:47.600 and the

00:32:48.680 mortgage that

00:32:49.280 she didn't

00:32:49.700 show in

00:32:50.140 the financial

00:32:50.760 disclosures,

00:32:51.740 it comes

00:32:52.220 out to

00:32:52.600 roughly $500,000

00:32:54.340 on the

00:32:55.000 property that

00:32:55.740 she claims

00:32:56.460 was worth

00:32:57.360 between $100,000

00:32:58.460 to $150,000.

00:33:00.540 That in of

00:33:01.480 itself is a

00:33:02.500 lie, mail 0.99

00:33:03.240 fraud,

00:33:04.140 with her

00:33:06.080 filings with

00:33:06.940 New York

00:33:07.340 State.

00:33:08.400 Secondary,

00:33:09.300 did she

00:33:09.700 file,

00:33:10.920 when she

00:33:11.280 applied for

00:33:11.840 the mortgage,

00:33:12.360 did she have

00:33:12.820 an appraisal

00:33:13.560 that differed

00:33:14.340 from the

00:33:14.700 amount that

00:33:15.700 she told

00:33:16.160 New York

00:33:16.640 State.

00:33:17.280 Then you

00:33:17.620 got another

00:33:18.200 possible crime

00:33:19.160 being committed.

00:33:20.220 So what's

00:33:20.960 going on is

00:33:21.620 that the

00:33:21.920 feds have

00:33:22.420 to gather

00:33:22.900 all of

00:33:23.300 this evidence,

00:33:24.360 piece it

00:33:24.780 together,

00:33:25.860 and present

00:33:26.880 the case.

00:33:27.540 Now, I

00:33:28.160 believe they

00:33:28.660 have a case

00:33:29.280 already.

00:33:30.060 I believe that

00:33:30.600 they should

00:33:31.040 have indicted

00:33:31.600 already, but I

00:33:32.380 understand that

00:33:33.500 white-collar

00:33:34.080 cases take

00:33:34.900 time.

00:33:35.640 But I'm

00:33:36.000 telling you

00:33:36.460 now, and I'm

00:33:37.000 telling the

00:33:37.520 feds if they're

00:33:38.120 listening, I'm

00:33:39.080 watching, and if

00:33:39.860 you F up this

00:33:40.720 case, you're

00:33:41.820 going to be held

00:33:42.340 accountable.

00:33:43.880 Well, there is

00:33:44.700 no question that

00:33:45.680 other people have

00:33:46.520 been prosecuted for

00:33:47.620 the exact same

00:33:48.600 thing, and I

00:33:49.340 think it was

00:33:50.060 Letitia James

00:33:51.840 who said, no

00:33:53.680 one is above

00:33:55.020 the law.

00:33:56.840 Another story

00:33:58.240 broke two

00:33:59.160 days ago at

00:34:00.020 Art Voice, an

00:34:00.800 upstate

00:34:01.240 newspaper, that

00:34:02.380 claims that a

00:34:03.020 woman named 0.95

00:34:03.580 Angel Du

00:34:04.520 Bois claims

00:34:05.880 that Letitia 0.66

00:34:06.980 James covered

00:34:08.500 up a sexual

00:34:09.760 harassment, and

00:34:12.140 in fact, a

00:34:12.720 sexual assault

00:34:13.800 against her by

00:34:15.660 James, chief of

00:34:17.320 that staff,

00:34:18.780 Ibrahim Kahn.

00:34:20.660 There's already

00:34:21.320 another lawsuit by

00:34:22.960 another woman who 1.00

00:34:24.220 worked in that

00:34:25.040 office claiming

00:34:26.260 the same thing.

00:34:28.180 So I think you

00:34:28.780 can hear a lot

00:34:29.540 more about both

00:34:31.080 of those stories.

00:34:33.420 If you're just

00:34:34.480 tuning in, this is

00:34:35.720 The Stone Zone.

00:34:36.660 I'm Roger Stone.

00:34:37.820 We're talking to

00:34:38.860 Sam Antar, and

00:34:40.620 we're breaking

00:34:41.320 news right here

00:34:42.580 in The Zone.

00:34:43.340 So whatever you

00:34:44.100 do, please don't

00:34:45.460 touch that dial.

00:34:47.300 The Stone Zone

00:34:48.720 on the Red Apple

00:34:50.000 Podcast Network.

00:34:54.140 The Stone Zone,

00:34:55.920 entertaining and

00:34:57.160 informative.

00:34:58.060 On the Red Apple

00:34:58.840 Podcast Network.

00:34:59.960 And we're back

00:35:01.440 with one of the

00:35:02.060 most interesting

00:35:02.760 guests I've ever

00:35:03.840 had.

00:35:04.420 Sam Antar was a

00:35:06.400 certified public

00:35:07.540 accountant who was

00:35:08.860 later convicted in

00:35:10.980 one of the largest

00:35:11.900 security fraud schemes

00:35:13.540 in American history,

00:35:15.320 the Crazy Eddie

00:35:16.720 scandal.

00:35:17.480 Remember them?

00:35:18.020 They were a major

00:35:19.340 consumer electronics

00:35:20.560 chain in the

00:35:21.320 northeastern United

00:35:22.100 States.

00:35:22.820 They were very hot

00:35:23.580 in the 1980s until

00:35:24.960 they crashed.

00:35:26.200 Sam Antar was

00:35:28.320 convicted but paid

00:35:30.240 his debt to

00:35:31.060 society and upon

00:35:32.960 finishing his

00:35:34.920 sentence, redirected

00:35:36.780 his expertise

00:35:37.540 towards forensic

00:35:38.600 accounting, leveraging

00:35:40.080 his first-hand

00:35:41.000 knowledge of

00:35:41.640 criminal fraud to 0.55

00:35:42.960 help combat white 0.95

00:35:44.380 collar fraud.

00:35:45.500 He's kind of made a

00:35:46.300 specialty at looking

00:35:47.280 at our political

00:35:48.300 leaders, and

00:35:49.680 there's plenty of

00:35:51.140 fraud to find.

00:35:52.700 He broke an

00:35:54.320 amazing story, as

00:35:55.600 we just outlined, in

00:35:57.460 which the law firm

00:35:58.560 that Governor

00:36:00.060 Hochul's husband

00:36:01.020 belongs to suddenly

00:36:02.920 got huge payments

00:36:04.500 concurrent with a

00:36:06.780 federal investigation

00:36:08.380 announced into

00:36:09.800 Attorney General

00:36:11.080 Letitia James and

00:36:13.800 a $10 million

00:36:15.520 taxpayer-funded

00:36:18.320 bailout, I should 0.86

00:36:20.640 say, to pay for

00:36:22.100 Letitia James'

00:36:23.760 legal defense, even

00:36:24.780 though the

00:36:25.560 investigation is

00:36:26.980 not into James'

00:36:28.140 official duties or

00:36:29.720 any act she took as

00:36:30.840 Attorney General, but

00:36:32.160 her personal

00:36:33.180 conduct.

00:36:34.240 Sam, here is my

00:36:35.220 question.

00:36:35.880 New York state law is

00:36:36.840 pretty tight when it

00:36:38.220 comes to disclosure.

00:36:40.500 We've got about two

00:36:41.160 and a half minutes

00:36:41.800 left here, a little

00:36:42.400 less.

00:36:43.320 Isn't Letitia James

00:36:44.520 required to disclose

00:36:46.540 all of these things to

00:36:47.820 the state of New York,

00:36:48.740 and how has she done

00:36:49.880 on that score?

00:36:50.740 Well, on her

00:36:53.100 property, she's 1.00

00:36:54.240 made numerous

00:36:55.720 significant omissions.

00:36:58.620 For example, on her

00:36:59.920 Brooklyn property, there

00:37:01.760 is a mortgage that she

00:37:02.920 lists on her

00:37:04.200 on the financial

00:37:06.300 statement.

00:37:06.900 It cannot be found in

00:37:08.060 the property records.

00:37:09.620 There are mortgages that

00:37:10.880 are in the property

00:37:12.700 records but cannot be

00:37:13.900 found in her

00:37:16.020 disclosures.

00:37:16.660 And this goes on and

00:37:18.060 on and on with the

00:37:19.340 other properties that

00:37:20.640 she's listed.

00:37:21.540 The Peroni Avenue

00:37:22.940 thing that we just

00:37:23.820 spoke about, $500,000

00:37:25.560 in loans, $100,000 to

00:37:27.240 $150,000 state of

00:37:28.600 value.

00:37:29.420 One mortgage there is

00:37:30.660 not listed that she

00:37:32.160 had on the property

00:37:33.460 and two other

00:37:34.000 mortgages can't be

00:37:35.520 found in the property

00:37:36.500 disclosures, those

00:37:37.480 phantom mortgages.

00:37:38.840 On the other

00:37:39.420 properties, Sterling

00:37:40.440 Street property is

00:37:41.380 completely absent from

00:37:42.720 our financial

00:37:43.300 disclosures to New

00:37:44.460 York State.

00:37:45.060 So what you have

00:37:46.260 here is not just

00:37:47.220 mortgage fraud, you

00:37:48.700 have here is a lady 1.00

00:37:50.020 that's just a serial

00:37:51.400 lawyer.

00:37:52.920 Whatever she puts

00:37:54.880 pen to paper, none

00:37:56.460 of the information

00:37:57.320 can be trusted.

00:37:59.120 Because significant

00:38:00.480 omissions, significant

00:38:02.080 gaps, that needs to

00:38:04.260 be looked at with

00:38:06.180 somebody with subpoena

00:38:07.180 power that I don't

00:38:08.280 have.

00:38:08.980 All right.

00:38:09.920 We have to leave it

00:38:10.800 there.

00:38:11.240 I want to reiterate our

00:38:12.300 invitation to Attorney

00:38:13.420 General Letitia James.

00:38:14.560 You're welcome to

00:38:15.260 come into the

00:38:16.300 Stone Zone at any

00:38:17.860 time to make your

00:38:20.480 case and defend

00:38:21.220 yourself against any

00:38:22.780 of these newsworthy

00:38:24.300 allegations.

00:38:25.460 Let me thank my

00:38:26.320 guest, Sam Antar, for

00:38:28.340 joining us today in the

00:38:29.880 Stone Zone.

00:38:30.480 Again, you can check

00:38:31.780 out the documentation of

00:38:33.180 everything he's reported

00:38:34.260 by going to

00:38:35.220 whitecollarfraud.com.

00:38:38.240 That's

00:38:38.500 whitecollarfraud.com.

00:38:40.260 Until tomorrow, God

00:38:42.920 bless you and God

00:38:43.920 speed.

00:38:44.380 We'll see you back in

00:38:45.320 the Stone Zone then.

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The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - June 21, 2025

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