The Stone Zone ｜ 07-16-26
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The Stone Zone's Jake Novak is on the air counting down to President Trump's highly anticipated, yet still stealthy, live address to the nation about election integrity. He's joined by Roger Stone to discuss the possibility that Trump will discuss the problems with mail-in ballots and balloting in the 2020 election.
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And I'm Jake Novak in with you live this evening in for the great Roger Stone.
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And it's kind of a cool time to be on the air live because we're counting down to President Trump's highly anticipated, still kind of stealthy live address to the nation.
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We're expecting it to be about election integrity, which could be anything from discussing the problems with ballot harvesting, the problems with mail-in ballots in general, to specific elections that he might pinpoint that have some really funky stuff that went on that were never explained.
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and as i peek at the mainstream news media they're disingenuous non-journalistic previews for this
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speech they're all saying that basically trump's gonna lie don't listen i mean this is what
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journalists are this is what journalism is in in in america in 2026 telling people not to pay
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attention to the president talking uh and they wonder why they you know their business model
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is is dying and so many people are getting laid off um it's going to be an interesting speech
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There were some reports a few days ago that he might pinpoint the two Senate elections in Georgia where we have Raphael Warnock and John Ossoff, two Democrats in a really red state of Georgia.
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I know that the elections there are closer than they've been in recent years in some cases, and they did vote for Clinton.
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But Georgia is a pretty deep red state, and that was proven during the 2024 elections with less chicanery going on there, and Trump won Georgia pretty clearly.
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So he might talk about that. He might talk about, for example, what happened in Wisconsin, where suddenly they closed the doors and we don't know what happened and suddenly a bunch of votes get counted. Of course, that was really also more of an issue in the Atlanta Fulton County elections offices in 2020.
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So there may be these kinds of discussions. And before you fall for and I'm sure many of you listening here aren't falling for it, but before you fall for the narratives that you're going to hear that I'm seeing on these other mainstream channels just out of the corner of my eye, saying these saying that everything Trump says tonight is debunked, it's not debunked.
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But until we do, then you can't say this is a debunked claim.
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Were there investigators who looked into it and really?
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Just because you say it's debunked doesn't mean it's debunked.
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But as I always say, and I hope everyone who hasn't heard this before will listen to it now.
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And if you have heard me say it before, just please remember this.
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and this is of course the biggest problem in 2020 where we had this massive number of millions and
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millions and millions of mail-in ballots but i don't care if you have one mail-in ballot or 10
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million or 100 million the same thing that i'm about to say is true mail-in ballots are not secret
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ballots duh they're not and see and if you don't have a secret ballot in your election it's not
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legitimate period fraud or no fraud a mail-in ballot filled out by i don't know who under whose
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influence i don't know is not legitimate and we have american history to prove it
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non-secret balloting in this country was banned
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and it got a lot of traction in the years after reconstruction when we had competitive elections
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in the south again and they put a ballot box for republicans and a ballot box for democrats and
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very often you voted at work so your boss could see how you voted or you voted in public not
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secret ballots and once again here is my gift to those who want to fight for election integrity
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here it is this is something better than you get from the professional political consultants
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who are all bad at what they do and are all bad people full-time political consultants are bad
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human beings there are a huge reason why our country is a mess right now because they continue
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to have influence even after elections and they and they mold policy based on small polls here
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and there and they all think they're successful because gee you know in a 50 50 society because
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we do have a pretty split electorate in this country even the worst political consultants
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gonna be batting 500 but here's my gift here's some good political advice if i were a political
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consultant here's some gold i'm gonna give you and i've given it to uh the country before no charge
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again my alter ego is jake novak unemployable political consultant why am i unemployable
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because i give good advice and i want the country to do well instead of some guy running for dog
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catcher so here it is you want to stop mail-in balloting in this country because it's all
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illegitimate a mail-in ballot is illegitimate by its face on its face fraud or no fraud it's not
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a secret ballot my god how many hundreds of years in our society have we known in all society that
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non-secret ballots aren't legitimate how long have we known this hundreds of years i think the
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australians are the first to figure this out the first secret ballot i think we're called the
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australian ballot but whatever here's what you do you put a commercial on you get a guy in a wife
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beater t-shirt big burly disgusting guy leaning over his wife with her shaky hand filling out the
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mail-in ballot and we all know what's going on there that'll solve the problem real fast i don't
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know who's forcing who to fill out what bubble in the paper i don't know if they'll know what
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they're doing i don't know if they have any privacy whatsoever and that's why mail-in ballots among
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other things are not legitimate i don't want to see any mail-in ballots in any election ever not
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one well but jake what about our troops overseas they can vote on a secure laptop like people do
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in embassies and consulates for foreign countries all over the world.
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I don't think filling out a ballot is going to be their first priority.
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If you're on a military base overseas, you can go to the PX and vote on a secure laptop.
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And I really hope that the president tonight makes that argument or something along those lines.
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I know he's going to, if this speech really is about election integrity, I know he's going to continue some of the messages he's made in the past, rightfully so, denigrating the validity of mail-in ballots.
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But I hope he goes as far as I do and remind people that no mail-in ballot is ever legitimate in any election.
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I don't want to see any non-secret ballots cast in any election.
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if you want to vote in person a week or two before the election fine as long as you're voting in
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person in a secret booth ballot kind of situation like we have and i think that giving people a week
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or 10 days before an election day like so many states and cities do to vote in person like that
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is more than enough accommodation for people i want to see great voter participation out there
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i really do but there's only so much we can do if we're dragging people to vote and forcing them to
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vote and pushing their nose into the ballot, then that's also not really legitimate.
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One of the great Jewish rabbis and philosophers of all time said that about charity.
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If you're forcing someone to give charity, then it's not charity.
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It may not be a sin per se, but it's certainly not a good deed if you're forced to do it.
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Coerced charity is not charity, and coerced voting is not really legitimate either.
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i would love so so sure vote in person 10 days in advance you want to that's great vote on election
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day even better mail-in ballots never never should be allowed even democrats like jimmy
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carter used to know this well i don't know if he died knowing this maybe he changed his tune but
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he talked about this remember for years after his presidency he was one of those election
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inspectors that the u.n would send to places or the u.s would send to places usually
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latin america and he denigrated the whole idea of mail-in ballots rightfully so but if president
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trump goes into specific election stuff about how ballots showed up late somewhere and talks
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about ballot harvesting which is also illegitimate someone going into a neighborhood with a bunch of
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ballots and telling people here sign this when we have no idea whether the person knows what
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they're signing and also that isn't a secret ballot that should not be legitimate we should
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not be allowed ballot harvesting so i'm sure he'll talk about a lot of these things and uh we should
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give it our attention folks don't listen to what the mainstream media says there's no evidence of
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there's no evidence there's never any investigation these elections don't get audited the fbi has been
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investigating under the trump this new trump term the second term of trump and maybe he'll talk
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about some of the things that have been uncovered i understand that a good deal of the country is
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not going to believe what the president says about this if there is indeed evidence of it but i want
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to hear it and you got aoc alexandria ocasio-cortez the congresswoman from new york saying that no one
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should air his speech you know here's a little bit of a cheat sheet and there's a lot of people
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who say things publicly i'm going to place some some of those guys later in this program there's
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a lot of guys and gals who say things publicly i really wish didn't say anything i really don't
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like them. But one of those cheat sheets in life is if you have somebody who says someone shouldn't
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be given the mic, someone should never be allowed to speak, it's a pretty good indicator that the
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person telling the other people they can't speak is the bad guy. You're the bad guy if you say you
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should turn off the mic. I got into an argument today online with a big-name journalist who I
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don't think is a very good guy i don't think he should be censored kind of hate what he said
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but i don't think he should be censored geez if i need my opponents to be censored then i'm really
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not much of a of a pundit or or someone who more important i really don't like that term pundit
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just i i like to be an essayist and someone who really wants to focus on good policy for america
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and good policy for america one of my favorite good policies would be
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more election integrity we have almost none right now people do not do not trust the election
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process it has been dirtied up by this whole mail-in ballot explosion by ballot harvesting
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which is a form of mail-in ballots and it's it's very disturbing it's very disturbing
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and to call anyone who has a problem with these kinds of elections a problem where
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someone is leading by an X amount of votes at 3am and then the lights go off
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in the board of elections and suddenly there's a bunch of ballots
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that go the other way. To call that person an election denier for questioning that
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is, you know, basically that's gaslighting. And gaslighting is a really
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overused term. The two most overused terms in America today are gaslighting
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and narcissist. Usually when people say narcissist, they mean that that person's being selfish
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at that particular moment. Just because you're selfish at one particular moment doesn't mean you're a full-on
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narcissists full-on narcissism is a pretty serious serious disorder there thankfully very few of
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those in the world right now there's some selfish people but that's different and gaslighting is
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also overused but when you tell people who are getting very upset about weird stuff happening
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in elections in the late night hours after the lights go out and suddenly a bunch of trucks pull
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up with some ballast you don't know where the hell they came from that's not being hysterical
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we all have a right to ask those questions don't gaslight us into saying well you know there's no
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evidence i mean there's no evidence it's never the way things went in all the years of our
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elections in this country doesn't happen in a lot of other countries that have a lot of other
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problems like france and great britain they got a lot of problems in those countries okay but
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their elections seem to have a lot more integrity so these are legitimate questions and i hope the
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president addresses each and every one of them when i come back let's talk about the president
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his number two, at least on the constitutional roster, Vice President Vance, I have some advice
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for him. Again, I will continue to take on my alter ego of Jake Novak, unemployable political
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consultant, because I actually have some good advice for the vice president. Stay soon for that.
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The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
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and i'm jake novak filling in for roger stone and with me is my alter ego jake novak unemployable
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political consultant why am i unemployable because i give good advice and the political
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consulting firms don't want people who give good advice they like giving bad advice and they thrive
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on that but i'm going to give some good advice now to our vice president jd vance who is doing
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everything all wrong if he truly wants to run for president in 2028 if he truly wants to have
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actually a strong political career no matter what happens after this vice presidency
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he needs to change a lot of what he's doing and before i get into the israel aspect of it the
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alleged anti-semitism let's just talk about the optics here let's just pretend he was talking
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about hamburgers and not israel or widgets or whatever you want to talk about first of all
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he's appearing weak he's going on joe rogan like he did earlier this week and complaining that
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there's a campaign against him that's weak that's weak you got to come off strong even if you are
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being persecuted even if there is some unfairness you come off strong not like a whiny little boy
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which he did never do that i don't care if you're a republican democrat doesn't matter the democrats
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like strength in their candidates they don't nominate good strong candidates but they don't
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have really many choices but they would like to see more strength they love the nastiness
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99% of Gavin Newsom's appeal which is not as strong as it was a couple years ago let's face
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it he's having a hard time but 99% of his appeals is a nasty SOB on social media which I don't
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think is really that great but just goes to show being stronger rather than a whiner can work for
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you so here he is on joe rogan saying well you know the the deal with the iran didn't work out
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and it's it's he's blaming israel for it which is just again imagine he's saying the word hamburgers
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take take the israel part out of the equation this is a whiny boy as our vice president and it's not
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good optics or audio listen and again with limitations like when the iranians hit ships
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the president has been willing to knock the hell out of the iranians in response this is not just
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to negotiation it's negotiation it's military it's all these things but i know beyond a shadow
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of a doubt that there have been people within the israeli government who are trying to like
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actually shift us away from that policy because they want to continue the military campaign
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and i had this whole deal i i did my homework i i wrote a memorandum of understanding and everyone
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signed it and these really didn't want to do it yeah they didn't want to do it because iran is
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an evil regime not to be trusted i don't care what paper they signed any person could have told
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you that and i did and i tried to get everyone to understand not don't be such a whiny little
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person and i said this to my all the pro-israel friends too don't be whiny about what's in this
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memorandum of understanding because it doesn't matter it could be us promising iran unicorns
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and rainbows they would still break it the only question we needed to ask then as we do now
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is what is president trump going to do when they do break it because they will break it and that
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didn't take long did it this is a whiny vice president that's not good usually the vice
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president's role traditionally has been to be even nastier than the president take the bully pulpit
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do what the president wants talk about what the president wants in a really really even tougher
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sharper way that's how you do it that's how you be a strong that's how you you are to be a strong
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vice president and a potential presidential successor at some point again you think this
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is about israel here it's not this is about optics this is about how you sound and this is
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someone complaining on a on the biggest podcast there is that the israelis wanted to continue
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with it israelis don't want war they just know that signing a little piece of paper isn't going
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to matter and more people will die but again take the israel part of the equation out of it if you
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can most people can't they're they're too crazed one way or the other over israel and i understand
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that but see if you can have a little bit more to say to jd vance in a second this is free
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real advice from someone who can't be employed by Poclittle Consultancy Firms
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because I give good advice. Stay with us here on The Stone Zone.
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The Stone Zone. Entertaining and informative. On the Red Apple Podcast Network.
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I'm Jake Novak, filling in for Roger Stone this evening.
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And, you know, a big reason why our country has so many political problems
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and cultural problems is because of political consultants.
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They're really bad at what they do, and for the most part, they're bad people.
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I'm talking about the people in D.C. who work at those big firms
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really should give back whatever money he's getting
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or she's getting because they're doing a terrible job for the man
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now ultimately it's J.D. Vance's responsibility
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I'm not trying to remove him from responsibility
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and he's the vice president of the United States
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from people who either don't know their history or just don't know politics well enough to work
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in this country so in addition to as i said before the break and played the soundbite of him
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complaining about israelis working against him and they wanted a war to continue and it just
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didn't work for me just coming off weak and whiny which is never good it's never good in politics
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you know even phony bravado is better than real whining even if you think you've got a reason to
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I learned that my senior year of high school was early in the 1988 presidential primary process.
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And George H.W. Bush was getting a real challenge from Bob Dole.
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And George Bush does a live interview with Dan Rather on CBS News, and he jumps down his throat.
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And a lot of people were surprised because George H.W. Bush is like Mr. Nice Guy and kind of soft spoken.
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And he just jumped down his throat and it was probably all a setup, but it's by his campaign people back when there were better political advisors out there.
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But it worked. Gosh darn it, if it didn't work, it made him seem strong.
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And it took a lot of the momentum out of the Dole campaign and he and he pretty much cakewalked to the nomination, give or take a couple of stumbles here and there in 1988.
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Now, another thing that doesn't get you good traction, in addition to being a whiner, is being a conspiracy theorist in the political realm.
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You can do that on podcasts and make a lot of money and do well.
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You can even do it in mainstream media now or on the media.
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I want to get into the realm of anti-Semitism or Israel bashing, that kind of thing.
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Again, being whiny and complaining was the problem about the first thing I told you about.
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It wasn't really about being critical of Israel.
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If you can forget the Israel factor in that first part, please do.
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In this case, though, don't forget it because anti-Semitism and Israel bashing
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has never really had great success in this country.
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It gets you an initial boost, even sometimes a feeling of invulnerability.
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but then the half-life is really short and you end up having a really low ceiling to how far
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you can go i know it feels like to a lot of people that anti-semitism is exploding right now
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and everyone's really doing great with it but it's a great way to basically put a very low ceiling on
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your political career now there is only one variable to that the variable being that this
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country has by legal and illegal means imported a lot of anti-semitic hate into this country in
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the last 10 15 years a lot of those people coming through and through the open borders of the biden
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administration were jew haters in a non-american un-american kind of way and so they do add a
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little bit of a variable but here's the thing jd vance is a republican the kind of people who
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we've imported into this country from people who hate america places that hate america people
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people who hate america who are some for some reason coming here anyway they're not going to
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vote for a republican they're not going to vote for jd vance no matter how anti-semitic or anti-israel
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he may come off being so in this next sound bite i'm going to play from you from this joe rogan
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interview that the vice president gave he puts the he does the double whammy he does the conspiracy
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theory and the anti-semitism listen to this he clearly had connections to the upper the highest
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levels of american intelligence he clearly had connections to the highest levels of israeli
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intelligence well most people think he was massad yeah massad or cia or some other deep state
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whether in america or israel or another country or he's talking about jeffrey epstein so he's
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doing the epstein thing with joe rogan and he said he clearly had there's absolutely no evidence of
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that there's no evidence of that also it just defies all logic look at all the jewish pro-israel
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people who have been ensnared in this epstein scandal people originally people like alan
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dershowitz who's had to fight back against a lot of libel and slander allegations i don't think he
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was involved in anything really disgusting with jeffrey epstein but he was working with him why
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would why would mosad want to smear him why would mosad want to smear larry summers there's a few
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other jewish people who have been very badly tainted by jeffrey epstein pro-israel people
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It makes no sense that he would be with Mossad.
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It makes no sense that he would be with an intelligence community.
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Would an intelligence community be interested in some of the dealings he was having and some of the compromising positions he had some of these people get into?
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And, you know, we've got all these files and there's no evidence of that.
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I'm telling you right now, it works in podcasts.
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It's going to work for Tucker Carlson real well.
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it's going to work for a lot of people in those kinds of professions really
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but it's not going to work well in an American campaign.
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I don't know how many of the listeners right now know who father Coughlin
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but he was a Catholic priest who was hugely popular on the radio for many
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virile and anti-Semite until the archdiocese told him to cut it out.
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He had a very low ceiling to how far he was going to go.
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He was never going to be anything other than that.
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the conspiracy theory thing, which also doesn't work.
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the thing about conspiracy theories that I don't like
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is they promote powerlessness, the idea of powerlessness.
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That there's all these guys behind the scenes doing X, Y, and Z,
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Well, in that case, you know, why bother running?
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why don't you just go live in a bunker somewhere you know i gotta have some hope when somebody's
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running whether you're right wing or left wing i gotta have someone running who's saying there's
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something wrong out there and i'm gonna fix it not i don't know who's doing this it's their
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they're unbeatable they can't be defeated there's a conspiracy theory out there i mean it's just it's
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so defeatist it also doesn't give me any specific idea of what you're going to do to fix it
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man vice president vance you are getting some really really bad advice ultimately you're
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responsible for it but you got to find out you got to do something about who's giving you this
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bad advice you know the the only little variable you got going for you is that the whole anti-semitism
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thing which puts a very low ceiling on your future might be a little bit more lucrative now in some
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ways because again we've imported tens of millions of jew haters into this country and women haters
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and america haters and freedom haters but ultimately they're not voting republican ever
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and ultimately uh you know that's another issue they're anti-american so i really don't know
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where you're going for them you're going for the non-patriotic group it makes no sense it's
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a stupid political strategy if you can somehow and most of us can't do it and i understand why
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you can't do it but just imagine for a second that we're not talking about jewish people
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I know there's a lot of people online who, you know, who talk about me and another guy
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here at our parent network here, W.A.B.C.'s Sid Rosenberg, we're always talking about
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Well, actually, you're always talking about them.
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But if you but here's your chance, I'm going to remove those things.
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Would you vote for someone who's whining about somebody working against them?
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That's not a strong persona to project yourself as a candidate.
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Would you vote for someone who's promoting conspiracy theories with no evidence?
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Remember, the point of talking about conspiracy theories all the time is just to remind everyone how powerless we are.
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We can't get to the folks who are doing X, Y, and Z.
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That's not what we'd go to the polls to vote for.
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It might be completely irrational, but we vote in the hope that the guy or gal we're voting for is going to fix this thing.
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not gonna complain about it not gonna tell us well there's a unseen hand of power here i can't
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get no that's that doesn't do anything that's great for a podcast it's great for a session
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in the common room at the dorm where everyone's a little drunk or stoned and you're talking about
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your stupid theories but it's death politically it's death politically and if you do that kind
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of stuff you project yourself as weak and as a loser and there's one more thing i'll say about
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the whole jd vance thing that i have said for years and i think is absolutely undeniably
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objectively true if you remember nothing else remember this you don't want to be the front
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runner for president anywhere before eight or seven months before general election day
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being a frontrunner for president a year out two years out two years and change out is death
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it puts a huge target on you it puts all the focus on you and it almost always ends up in you not
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winning there are some exceptions i mean donald trump being the frontrunner for the republican
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nomination in 2024 doesn't really count the guy was the incumbent president basically i mean he
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wasn't in office we know and you know what i mean he had already had a term he was already in the
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public eye in that way he already had the bullseye around him he breaks up a lot of the the norms and
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the axioms of politics but you don't want to be a front runner too early in this game folks
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it's death ask howard dean ask paul songas you probably don't even remember who the heck that is
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ask hillary clinton she was a front runner way too early in the process
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and you don't want that so if jd vance was doing this thing to push the memorandum of understanding
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and to go on joe rogan now and do all these kinds of things in the hopes of getting into
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the inside lane for president in 2028 even if he just did everything right even if he took
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all the right person used all the right persona used all the right messages which he did which
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he didn't it would still not be so smart now you're still the vice president you can't go run
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run and hide under a tree but if you do have to say something do big picture stuff
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and honestly i know a lot of people talk about marco rubio have he's not even we don't even
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know if he's running for president but if he is this is the kind of thing that you would want to
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do two years and change before general election day talking about big picture stuff large policy
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stuff and sounding like a statesman here he is today the most essential duty of the state
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the first responsibility frankly of any government of any kind is the protection of its people
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it's the protection of its country this is a sacred obligation that should transcend
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all political and all ideological divisions it is why for example we have militaries
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we have intelligence agencies it's why counterterrorism bureaus exist why police
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forces exist keeping our people safe is the reason why every country represented here has
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all of these things the most so you know again large scale the first job of our political
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structure is to keep people safe yeah that's thomas hobbs stuff that's that's some of the
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I think a lot of people are assuming he's running.
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But that's the kind of speech you want to make.
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You don't want to be going on podcasts whining about stuff and promoting conspiracy theories.
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Speaking of people who make wrong moves, Luigi Mangione, I know he's real popular among the crazed leftist groups.
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And I'm going to explain why when we come back here on The Stone Zone.
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the stone zone entertaining and informative on the red apple podcast network
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and i'm jake novak in for roger stone live here 8 52 p.m i got my am and p.m mixed up before
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sign that i'm working very hard but i know it is p.m 8 50 it's dark it's dark outside
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and i'm jake novak very happy to fill in for roger stone he often gives me this chance and
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I want to talk about some losers because I've already been talking about the loser message
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that our vice president put out there all by himself voluntarily.
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Of course, ultimately, it's his responsibility.
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I've been talking about that, but he's not alone.
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We have some other losers very much in the public eye in America who promote loser messages
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or say one thing and do other things to undermine what they supposedly are for.
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One of them is Gavin Newsom, the governor of California.
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Only a few more months left in his term, by the way.
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And here he is bemoaning the fact that Elon Musk is a trillionaire, his enemy Elon Musk.
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Well, look, 10% of people own two-thirds of wealth in this nation.
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30-year-old today is doing worse than his or her parents for the first time in U.S. history.
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If that's not a five-alarm fire, I don't know what the hell is.
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And we were sitting there, some of us at least, celebrating the best of Roman Republic-Greek democracy on July 4th.
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The vision of our founding fathers, co-equal branches of government, popular sovereignty, a rule of law.
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I'm reminded, thinking about the Greeks, there was a guy around 50 AD, 2,000 years ago, warning the Athenians, Plutarch.
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He said the imbalance, the imbalance between the rich and the poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics.
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Again, he kicked this complaint about the wealth, growth, growth of wealth in a small number of people.
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And in some cases, some of them will get some luck.
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But luck is luck is very much, very much overrated.
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There's a professor at Cornell named Professor Robert Frank whose entire career is based on how everything is luck.
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If I were a student in this class, I would say, well, then why are you giving out grades?
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Why would you have a class where you have to work and study and perform on a test if all you're learning is that it's just luck?
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But anyway, he's bemoaning the fact about Elon Musk.
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Actually, if you know your statistics, we are creating more millionaires and billionaires in this country every day than we ever have.
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The problem with 30-year-olds not being in such a great state has a lot more to do with mental health than economics.
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Most 30-year-olds I meet today are like the 20-year-olds of 40 years ago or 18-year-olds.
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But the thing about Gavin Newsom is he's a loser because he also just signed a bill on the same day that he's giving this little speech two days ago.
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He signed a bill to create special rebates in California only.
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Remember, we got rid of the rebates for EV buyers nationally in September of last year.
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But in California now, if you're a first-time EV buyer, you get a $3,500 rebate.
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You know who sells the two most popular EVs in this country?
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So the guy getting up there complaining about how Elon Musk is too rich
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Is Tesla going to get the bulk of this benefit?
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And Tesla's the biggest reason why Elon Musk is a trillionaire.
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And I know they've tried to make into this great hero.
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And we can talk specifically, and we should mostly talk about,
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how the killing of an innocent unarmed person on the street is never right if you believe you have
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a criminal then you know you don't just kill them unless they're in the act of killing someone
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and just his murder of brian thompson on the sidewalks of new york at the end of 2024 is
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not excusable under any means and i hate the medical insurance companies i really don't like
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them i don't like the business model it makes no sense to me other than for them it does it's awful
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But here's the thing. Luigi Mangione wasn't trying to hurt the earnings balance sheet of United Healthcare on a quarterly basis, but he was trying to bring down the company. He was trying to bring down the industry.
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and you know what for eight months after the the killing of brian thompson luigi man johnny
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murdering him and yes i believe he murdered him i know he hasn't been convicted yet this is a guy
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who actually had the names of his victims on the shell casings i'm going to say he's guilty of this
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crime and i know a court of law hasn't convicted him yet but again i'm going to say this is my
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opinion and i think it's a very well backed up opinion so the eight months after the killing
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But you know, ever since they reached that bottoming out period
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that they incurred over that eight-month period.
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if Luigi Mangione really wanted to do something to help people,
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and there is very often a thin line between brilliance and insanity.
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Then make an app where people can learn health care tips, Luigi.
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Do what you got to do, but don't shoot someone.
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