The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - The Stone Zone ｜ 08-20-25

00:00:00.200 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:07.640 Welcome to The Stone Zone.

00:00:10.360 What's with these politicians?

00:00:13.040 First, it was New York Attorney General Letitia James caught red-handed in a 22-year crime spree of mortgage fraud,

00:00:22.580 lying on sworn documents in order to obtain a mortgage at a lower rate and a favorable insurance rate.

00:00:32.660 In other cases, falsifying documents in order to qualify for mortgages that she herself was not eligible for.

00:00:43.000 Then it was Senator Adam Schiff, formerly a congressman.

00:00:46.760 He has a condominium in Burbank, California, as well as a home in Potomac, Maryland.

00:00:54.640 The problem is that he declared both of them as his principal legal residence,

00:01:00.920 getting a healthy tax break in both states and qualifying for lower mortgage rates.

00:01:07.440 It's called mortgage fraud and, well, other people have gone to jail for it.

00:01:12.620 But now, the head of the Federal Housing Finance Administration, Director Bill Pulte,

00:01:19.800 released a letter to Attorney General Pam Bondi,

00:01:23.720 pointing out that Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook may have committed a criminal offense

00:01:31.080 by falsifying bank documents and property records in order to require more favorable loan terms.

00:01:40.280 Pulte alleges that Lisa Cook took mortgages on properties in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and Georgia, 0.98

00:01:48.040 signing agreements that stipulated that she would use each property as her primary legal residence for at least a year.

00:01:58.340 Pulte has called on the Attorney General Pam Bondi to investigate these charges

00:02:04.100 and citing four criminal statutes that specifically he alleges Cook has violated.

00:02:13.160 This is very serious stuff because, of course, were Cook to resign because of an indictment,

00:02:20.380 and by the way, the president has the authority to fire a member of the Federal Reserve Governor's Board for cause.

00:02:29.720 That's if the member of the board engaged in a crime.

00:02:34.440 President Donald Trump today demanded that Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook resign over this emerging mortgage scandal,

00:02:43.760 and the Attorney General Pam Bondi confirmed that she would launch an immediate investigation into the matter.

00:02:51.920 Now, you may remember that the Deputy Attorney General Ed Martin was appointed only a week ago

00:03:00.100 with the specific charge of looking into mortgage fraud.

00:03:05.500 He has already announced that he will do a full aggressive probe of Letitia James,

00:03:13.920 the New York Attorney General, as well as Senator Adam Schiff.

00:03:19.480 But now, Cook will probably also face criminal charges over the matter.

00:03:25.520 The Federal Reserve is a notoriously corrupt institution that's responsible for much,

00:03:30.620 if not all, of the inflation that is required to keep under control under its mandate.

00:03:36.960 The irony here, of course, is that right now, the Board of the Federal Reserve opposes an immediate interest cut

00:03:45.600 on the American people by a five-to-four margin.

00:03:51.000 This makes very little sense because the two indicators that the Federal Reserve is supposed to use

00:03:57.980 in their making a determination whether to cut interest rates on your credit cards

00:04:03.620 or if you want to buy a house or a car or any other consumer purchase

00:04:09.500 are inflation and unemployment.

00:04:12.520 But as of today, despite the false and inaccurate pronostications of the financial elite on Wall Street,

00:04:23.740 inflation is either at the same level or actually lower than it was the last four times

00:04:31.880 the Federal Reserve cut interest rates on the American people.

00:04:35.840 And the same can be said of unemployment.

00:04:38.240 So it's pretty clear that the Federal Reserve chairman, Jerome Powell, is playing politics.

00:04:47.480 He has to be disappointed that the draconian predictions of the financial elites,

00:04:54.300 who said that Donald Trump's push for fairer tariff agreements with our trade partners

00:05:01.800 would lead to runaway inflation, a stock market crash, an unprecedented unemployment, turned out to be wrong on all three.

00:05:11.620 We have a record Dow.

00:05:13.760 Inflation remains low.

00:05:16.140 The dollar remains strong.

00:05:18.780 And the unemployment figures continue to be essentially de minimis.

00:05:24.360 Just think of the economic boom that we would have if we had lower interest rates.

00:05:32.980 I think the president is going to get them.

00:05:35.020 I think he's going to get them because it appears to me like Lisa Cook will be leaving the Board of the Federal Reserves.

00:05:42.040 That would give the president the right to not only appoint a new member, but would also give him the right to appoint the chairperson.

00:05:51.420 And therefore, I think, a more robust economy is on its way.

00:05:59.500 In the meantime, Tulsi Gabbard has eliminated security clearances for over 100 additional, pardon me,

00:06:08.800 over 37 additional individuals believed to be compromised, including many that had a hand in perpetrating the Russian gate conspiracy.

00:06:20.060 A memorandum that was actually posted yesterday online, Tulsi Gabbard, the director of the Office of National Intelligence, said,

00:06:30.900 their access to classified systems, facilities, materials, and information is now terminated forthwith.

00:06:40.080 Any contracts or unemployment with the U.S. government by these 37 individuals is hereby terminated.

00:06:48.040 Any credentials held by these individuals must be surrendered to the appropriate security officers.

00:06:55.400 Among those suspended, a man named Mar Bitar, identified right here in the Stone Zone as one of the key perpetrators of the Russian collusion hoax,

00:07:08.420 an advisor to Adam Schiff when the Democrats were in the majority in the House Intelligence Committee,

00:07:16.260 now back serving again as the National Security Advisor for Senator Adam Schiff.

00:07:24.560 Mr. Ben-Harr is a strong proponent of jihad.

00:07:30.440 He is a strong proponent of the Palestinian cause. 0.52

00:07:35.080 He is a hater of Jews.

00:07:36.860 I'm delighted to see that the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, has moved forward.

00:07:46.220 One of the other people who had their clearances removed was Vin Nguyen,

00:07:51.460 a former top aide to Obama's director of national intelligence, James Clapper.

00:07:57.220 Clapper, of course, is among those individuals who have been exposed in recent disclosures

00:08:01.860 as having been among the most responsible for the genesis of the entire Russian collusion hoax.

00:08:10.820 Those in the fake news media who continue to claim that there was, in fact, Russian interference in our elections,

00:08:21.360 first of all, they do two things.

00:08:22.860 They conflate interference in the election that was essentially de minimis in order to cause chaos.

00:08:32.540 I'm sorry, but less than $150,000 worth of Facebook ads in an election in which $8.9 billion was spent

00:08:43.800 for political messaging and advertising is a drop in the bucket.

00:08:49.040 And the fact that the Russian bot farms that allegedly conducted that Facebook campaign

00:08:57.560 never came to trial, even that is an unproven allegation.

00:09:04.020 Beyond that, there is the false claim, recycled again and again and again by the reprobate, 0.81

00:09:10.880 conman, huckster, charlatan, Adam Schiff, 0.96

00:09:14.260 and the most corrupt prosecutor in U.S. history, Andrew Weissman, 0.86

00:09:21.000 that campaign manager Paul Manafort, that is Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort,

00:09:27.180 shared proprietary polling information with a Russian intelligence asset.

00:09:34.400 That is wrong on three, for three different reasons.

00:09:38.160 One, because the timing in question was at a time that the Trump campaign

00:09:44.240 had no proprietary polling information.

00:09:47.720 It was after the convention, but before the general election

00:09:50.800 and before they have done their first round of benchmark polling.

00:09:55.260 Secondarily, all of the material that Manafort gave to his contact,

00:10:00.780 a man named Konstantin Kalimnik, was on the public record,

00:10:04.400 meaning polling that you could find anywhere online.

00:10:07.880 And thirdly, Kalimnik is most definitely an American intelligence asset.

00:10:15.060 We know this because in the cable traffic between our embassy in Kiev

00:10:22.240 and the U.S. State Department, his name is blacked out and redacted

00:10:27.760 because he was a valued asset.

00:10:29.840 The independent investigative journalist Matt Taibbi has definitely documented

00:10:38.680 the fact that Kalimnik was a U.S. intelligence asset.

00:10:42.780 But you see, having squandered $30 million on this investigation

00:10:47.640 and having almost destroyed the lives of President Donald Trump,

00:10:53.260 General Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, and, well, yours truly,

00:10:58.700 they have to say something.

00:11:01.820 It is outrageous to me that it has taken this long.

00:11:07.560 You may remember Special Counsel John Durham.

00:11:12.400 He was supposed to get to the bottom of this,

00:11:14.520 but he took five long years to tell us what we already know.

00:11:19.080 The Steele dossier, which was the report that alleged that Donald Trump

00:11:24.420 had dallied with prostitutes in Moscow while visiting that country 0.95

00:11:28.600 as a private businessman, was a complete fugazi, 0.89

00:11:32.580 a total fabrication paid for by Hillary Clinton.

00:11:36.280 In fact, once she got busted, she had to pay a hefty fine

00:11:39.780 to the Federal Election Commission because she listed the payments

00:11:43.460 for that illicit dossier as a legal expense rather than what it really was.

00:11:49.660 And then just this week, Tulsi Gabbard uncovered declassified documents

00:11:57.480 that prove that there never was any online hack of the Democrat National Committee

00:12:04.300 by the Russians or anyone else.

00:12:07.320 The speed time of the downloads, which can be tracked through forensic investigation,

00:12:13.660 demonstrate that the material that was stolen from the Democrat National Committee

00:12:18.360 or from Hillary's campaign was taken and downloaded to a portable drive

00:12:25.760 and taken out the back door.

00:12:29.520 So the entire hoax has collapsed, and it is my understanding that a federal grand jury

00:12:35.340 has now been convened in New York, in Washington, and in Florida.

00:12:41.780 That's because the legal theory behind this investigation is that it is a continuing conspiracy,

00:12:49.980 meaning that it wasn't just in 2016 to try to hurt Trump in the election,

00:12:56.600 2017 to try to undo his election,

00:12:59.440 but it was also in 2020 to try to interfere with the integrity of the 2020 election

00:13:06.180 and continued into 2024 and 2025, culminating in the raid on the home of a former president at Mar-a-Lago.

00:13:18.080 They rummaged through Melania's underwear draw just as they rummaged through my wife's underwear draw

00:13:24.920 when they raided my home at 6 o'clock in the morning,

00:13:28.740 when all they had to do was tell my lawyers that they were charging me with a non-existent crime,

00:13:34.640 and I, of course, would have turned myself in.

00:13:37.280 But then, I wouldn't be all over CNN.

00:13:41.100 I would have been able to raise literally millions of dollars for my legal defense.

00:13:46.200 I would not have had my redemption in the blood of the cross,

00:13:49.740 and I probably would not be with you today.

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00:14:32.240 Welcome back into The Stone Zone.

00:14:36.120 Billionaire Elon Musk has announced that he has canceled his plans for a third American party,

00:14:43.700 and that he plans to support Vice President J.D. Vance in 2028.

00:14:49.280 The tech billionaire, Elon Musk, is apparently back on the MAGA train after a slight hiccup over the summer,

00:14:55.720 as reports indicate that the Tesla CEO is shelving his third-party scheme and planning to go all-in for my friend J.D. Vance

00:15:05.920 during his anticipated presidential run in 2028.

00:15:10.780 Musk has been telling people close to him that he wants to focus on growing his various businesses and companies,

00:15:17.600 rather than embarking on the messy, complicated, and legally challenging process of starting a third party,

00:15:26.180 particularly in an off-year election.

00:15:28.140 Of course, a third party were it to get on the ballot could prove catastrophic to Republican chances in next year's midterm elections.

00:15:37.760 Musk has also maintained a rapport with Vance and is considering using his vast wealth to back Vance during the 2028 presidential run, as he indicated.

00:15:50.420 Musk canceled a call in July with an organization that specializes in setting up third-party campaigns,

00:15:58.020 as Elon Musk quickly lost interest in the idea.

00:16:02.520 As the person with the greatest responsibility for getting Libertarian Party candidate Governor Gary Johnson on the ballot as a Libertarian in 2012,

00:16:14.200 that's because I could not abide Mitt Romney, a man who, in my opinion, believed in nothing whatsoever,

00:16:21.600 I can tell you that even with a party organization, in this case the Libertarians,

00:16:28.140 who already had ballot access in approximately, I would say at that time, 30 states,

00:16:37.080 it is extraordinarily difficult to get on the ballot from the get-go as a new party.

00:16:44.940 I wrote about this some time ago on my Substack.

00:16:48.380 That MAGA should be ready to let Elon Musk back into the fold. 0.95

00:16:53.140 Even though Musk's attacks on President Trump were a bit immature and actually completely uncalled for,

00:17:00.320 he did quickly apologize for them.

00:17:02.960 And none of that erases the great work he has done, not only in the 2024 presidential election,

00:17:08.940 but also how he saved digital free speech with his acquisition of X.

00:17:16.940 It is only that acquisition that allows me to have a social media presence.

00:17:23.560 And frankly, I am most grateful to be back on the platform.

00:17:28.700 When we come back into the Stone Zone, Sam Antar, fraud investigator par excellence,

00:17:35.280 joins us to break it all down.

00:17:37.580 Whatever you do, stay with us in the Stone Zone.

00:17:40.280 We've got a lot more politics for you today.

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00:17:52.480 Welcome back into the Stone Zone.

00:17:56.120 Timing is really quite extraordinary.

00:17:59.700 Me now is Sam Antar.

00:18:01.780 Sam Antar is a very interesting individual.

00:18:04.260 Once the centerpiece of one of the largest SEC frauds in American history,

00:18:12.320 Sam paid his debt to society and reemerged as one of the country's leading fraud investigators,

00:18:19.800 using his keen forensic and accounting skills to pinpoint fraud in both public and private institutions,

00:18:27.500 with a special eye on politicians, who we all know to be among the most corrupt members of our society.

00:18:35.020 It was Sam Antar who first uncovered the serial mortgage fraud by New York's Attorney General, Letitia James.

00:18:46.960 She tried to brush that away by telling the New York Times that these were simply typographical errors,

00:18:54.760 which of course is nonsensical.

00:18:57.280 Sam Antar is a man who keeps receipts.

00:19:00.740 What I really like about his website, which you can see by going to whitecollarfraud.com,

00:19:07.940 whitecollarfraud.com,

00:19:10.680 is that Sam links the actual documents to all of his reporting.

00:19:16.200 So you can see yourself that he's just not making representations.

00:19:21.100 He shows you the actual fraudulent documents that he refers to.

00:19:27.640 And it is therefore particularly interesting that he joins us today

00:19:32.380 because we woke up to news that Bill Pulte,

00:19:38.100 who took action in the Letitia James case by sending a letter of criminal referral,

00:19:45.480 to the U.S. Justice Department,

00:19:47.940 which resulted in the appointment of a special counsel to investigate mortgage fraud.

00:19:54.560 That would be Ed Martin, Deputy Attorney General,

00:19:58.220 now investigating mortgage fraud by both Letitia James and Senator Adam Schiff.

00:20:04.760 It appears to me that he will now also therefore be investigating the alleged mortgage fraud by Lisa Cook.

00:20:16.040 Now, Lisa Cook is not a name that is known widely to the American public,

00:20:22.140 but she is on the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve.

00:20:26.460 Now, in America, you're innocent until proven guilty,

00:20:30.980 but I think Sam Antar will tell you this.

00:20:34.260 The fraud investigators at the Federal Home Finance Administration are very serious about their jobs.

00:20:40.920 They don't make criminal referrals for political reasons.

00:20:44.280 They make criminal referrals based on the facts.

00:20:47.240 So, Sam, welcome back into the Stone Zone.

00:20:50.120 Your reaction to the news that Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook may have committed a criminal offense

00:20:57.280 by falsifying, in this case, allegedly, according to Bloomberg this morning,

00:21:03.060 falsifying bank documents and property records in order to acquire more favorable loan terms.

00:21:09.220 I looked at the documents, and she is, in my opinion, she's as guilty as stated.

00:21:17.120 First, you have Ann Arbor, Michigan property, okay?

00:21:22.180 That property, she said that she was going to occupy it within 60 days.

00:21:27.060 That's right in the mortgage, okay?

00:21:29.380 And she said that it was going to be her primary residence, okay?

00:21:33.780 Then, about two weeks later, she enters into another mortgage on a condominium that she says,

00:21:41.060 it's going to be her primary residence, too.

00:21:44.220 Now, you can't have two primary residences.

00:21:46.980 You have one primary residence, and that's it.

00:21:50.260 There's nothing to dispute here.

00:21:52.540 The way this information looks to me, she committed mortgage fraud, period. 0.54

00:21:57.000 What is it with these politicians that think they can get away with this?

00:22:01.240 I suspect we're going to hear about a lot more of them.

00:22:05.580 To me, if I did this, or if you did this, I think we both know what the result would be.

00:22:11.260 Yet, they seem to think that they're an elite class of protected individuals who can do whatever they want.

00:22:18.580 If you would, just walk us through very quickly what you discovered about Letitia James,

00:22:24.360 because it's very, very similar.

00:22:26.040 Well, it's similar in a lot of – it's similar in that it's mortgage fraud.

00:22:30.960 With Tish James, she had a building in Brooklyn that she owned and occupied. 0.93

00:22:35.740 She claimed it had four units, when it actually had five according to the certificate of occupancy.

00:22:42.900 That allowed Tish James to obtain favorable terms on 10 mortgages over 20 or so years, period.

00:22:50.900 On another property in Virginia, she claimed that – this is right before the Trump trial –

00:22:58.200 she claimed that she was going to use it as her primary residence.

00:23:04.280 She didn't, okay?

00:23:05.680 That was a false statement to the bank.

00:23:08.620 Earlier, two weeks earlier, she claimed she wasn't going to use it as a primary residence,

00:23:13.480 and she claims the later statement was a mistake.

00:23:16.040 A mistake, it was witnessed by two people in her own office.

00:23:21.800 One of the people was very, very involved in the Trump lawsuit.

00:23:28.160 So she – another cut-and-dry case.

00:23:32.340 All of these cases are cut-and-dry.

00:23:34.480 Lisa Cook, Letitia James is cut-and-dry.

00:23:37.920 There's nothing to dispute.

00:23:39.320 The documents speak for themselves.

00:23:41.620 The documents are public documents.

00:23:43.040 Anybody can see the progression of the documents.

00:23:47.180 This is not rocket science.

00:23:49.460 It is, I don't think, an understatement to say without the groundbreaking research published by Sam Antar

00:23:58.120 at his website, whitecollarfraud.com,

00:24:01.860 and the fact that that elementary research got picked up by reporters like Joel Gilbert at the Gateway Pundit,

00:24:09.880 we probably would not have the appointment of a special counsel, Ed Martin, to now look into these issues.

00:24:16.120 This, I think, is a direct example of how one citizen determined to get to the truth can really make a major difference in the world today.

00:24:29.340 Sam has also been a very articulate critic of the candidacy of the Ayatollah Zoran Mamdami.

00:24:38.360 You know, they tell us that Mamdami's come from behind shocking win in the Democrat primaries, people power,

00:24:47.460 that this was grassroots generated, and that it was Zamdami standing up to the dark money and to the special interests.

00:24:57.360 But then, in Mandami's initial campaign finance filing with the New York City Board of Elections,

00:25:06.140 the filing showed just the opposite.

00:25:09.120 In fact, I looked at Sam Antar's work, and it appears to me that despite the fact that he got, at this point,

00:25:16.840 probably millions of hits on Instagram, on Facebook, on X, on Snapchat, and so on,

00:25:25.760 virtually no one pushed the donate button on his website.

00:25:30.760 All of his money came from bundlers, particularly one particular bundler.

00:25:35.840 Once that news broke through Sam's terrific website, whitecollarfraud.com,

00:25:44.380 and was publicized here in the Stone Zone,

00:25:47.980 well, then Mamdami's campaign went out and completely restated their campaign finance reports

00:25:54.100 to completely contradict the first report.

00:25:58.300 Personally, I think the first report was the truth.

00:26:01.260 Then, this is almost laughable, they threatened to sue Sam Antar,

00:26:08.120 to which I say, good luck with that.

00:26:11.080 Sam Antar is the most meticulous researcher I've come across in the 50 years I've been in American politics.

00:26:18.720 He never says anything that he can't absolutely positively prove with the actual records.

00:26:26.720 But now, perhaps the biggest story yet pertaining to the New York City mayor's race

00:26:34.700 is the fact that the Mamdami phenomena that they keep touting as grassroots 0.72

00:26:41.980 is actually funded by an interlocking series of political organizations

00:26:47.980 and non-profits that are legally prohibited by law and by their tax status

00:26:55.460 from engaging in political activity.

00:26:59.020 Sam has a shocking new report, got picked up by Zero Hedge, among others,

00:27:05.240 that shows that there's a syndicate that was behind Mamdami's election.

00:27:11.060 Sam, lay this out for us.

00:27:13.440 Okay.

00:27:14.200 First of all, you have to understand the tax law.

00:27:16.660 There's 501c3s, those are charities.

00:27:19.540 You give the money to the charity, you get a tax deduction.

00:27:23.180 And then there are 501c4, those are political organizations.

00:27:28.100 You can't give money to them directly and get a tax deduction.

00:27:31.980 So how do they do it?

00:27:33.180 They wash it.

00:27:34.540 You give money to a 501c3, you transfer it to a 501c3,

00:27:41.020 you transfer it to a 501c4, and therefore you get the tax deduction.

00:27:46.020 I've called on the IRS and I have filed the complaint to do a significant investigation of this entire thing.

00:27:55.820 They need a task force to investigate all of these non-profits.

00:28:00.440 As I laid out my blog in detail, this is a syndicate of interlocking management

00:28:07.140 and interlocking personnel and money going back and forth.

00:28:12.460 If you want, I'll give you an example.

00:28:14.840 Okay.

00:28:15.820 Soros donates money to the Open Society Institute.

00:28:19.880 That's one of his charities.

00:28:21.280 It's a 501c3.

00:28:22.920 He gets a tax deduction.

00:28:25.280 Step two, Open Society Institute, which is a 501c3 charity,

00:28:30.940 sends $6.9 million to the Tides Foundation,

00:28:34.740 which is also a Section 501c3 charity.

00:28:39.240 Step three, Tides, which is the 501c3 charity,

00:28:44.340 sends $4.6 million to the Working Families Organization.

00:28:49.460 That's a 501c4 political group.

00:28:54.960 Now you've got money from charities to politics that's been fully tax-deductible.

00:29:01.220 Okay, the Working Families Organization takes that money

00:29:05.500 and sends it to PACs and super PACs and et cetera, supporting their candidates.

00:29:11.060 When you look at Mandani, when you look at Letitia James,

00:29:14.540 because they're both members of the Working Families Party,

00:29:17.300 they are the products of a machine.

00:29:20.060 They are the end result.

00:29:21.600 They were manufactured by this machine for public consumption.

00:29:26.120 You wonder why people got to where they are.

00:29:29.020 This is why.

00:29:30.240 They're manufactured by a machine, funded by billionaires, primarily Soros,

00:29:35.640 but we also have other money coming in from billionaires in Silicon Valley in California.

00:29:43.240 I guess you filed a formal complaint with the Internal Revenue Service.

00:29:48.280 The question is, of course, will the IRS take action quickly enough

00:29:53.260 to prevent these same kind of abuses from taking place in the general election.

00:29:59.860 Today, I see the mayor's race continuing to be in flux with some slight movement,

00:30:07.620 which we'll talk about here in a moment.

00:30:09.480 But Sam, do you think there is a chance that the IRS will move expeditiously

00:30:14.260 to stop these illegal activities?

00:30:17.200 It depends upon the commission of the IRS.

00:30:20.920 Whether the commission of the IRS can direct resources, can overrule section heads, etc.

00:30:27.400 You know, the government is an entrenched bureaucracy.

00:30:30.040 One thing I learned is it's not so much the agency,

00:30:33.220 it's who it is at the agency that gets things done.

00:30:36.180 I believe what we have is a massive tax fraud scheme.

00:30:41.880 I believe that there's over a billion dollars the IRS can collect.

00:30:50.140 That's my belief, okay?

00:30:51.980 I believe that these people engaged in illegal election interference,

00:30:59.660 I believe in a lot of things, but you know something?

00:31:02.320 The IRS has to investigate.

00:31:03.880 I provided documents, I filed three supplemental submissions to the IRS,

00:31:09.920 I've filed plenty of documents showing them the trail, and it's up to them.

00:31:14.300 If they can't put it together, then they're incompetent.

00:31:17.920 If you're just tuning in, folks, we're talking to professional fraud investigator Sam Antar.

00:31:25.240 He has examined the claims by the Federal Housing Finance Agency Director Bill Pulte,

00:31:32.320 a story which broke this morning that suggests that Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook

00:31:39.340 has committed a criminal offense by allegedly falsifying bank documents and property records

00:31:47.120 to acquire more favorable mortgage loan terms.

00:31:51.320 So this is now more than just a claim by Mr. Pulte, has now been documented by our guest, Sam Antar,

00:32:01.020 who I can tell you is extraordinarily meticulous in any assertion that he makes.

00:32:07.980 I have been very impressed by his research.

00:32:11.300 By the way, go to his website, whitecollarfraud.com.

00:32:15.560 You'll see that he documents everything he says, and now he has come forward to say that the allegations

00:32:24.620 put forward by the director of the FHFA, who, by the way, oversees both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,

00:32:34.640 the nation's two largest governmental mortgage agencies, are, in Sam's opinion, you heard it yourself,

00:32:44.360 accurate in that this is an open and shut case.

00:32:47.620 This is a little different than the allegations of various politicians cheating on their mortgages

00:32:56.640 because in the event that Cook is forced to resign and the president does have the authority to fire her for cause,

00:33:06.280 well, that would shift the balance on the Federal Reserve, which would lead, I think, very quickly

00:33:11.460 to an interest rate cut for the American people, something that I think, based on the current rate of inflation

00:33:20.120 and the current rate of unemployment is merited, it's extraordinary that the last four times

00:33:28.740 that the Federal Reserve cut interest rates, unemployment and inflation were either lower than

00:33:36.820 or at the exact same place they are today.

00:33:40.140 Don't go away.

00:33:41.320 We'll be back with Sam Antar right here in the Stone Zone right after this brief break.

00:33:47.020 We'd love to talk business.

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00:34:26.640 And you're back in the zone with Roger Stone.

00:34:30.420 We're talking to Sam Antar, who is the editor and publisher of WhiteCollarFraud.com.

00:34:36.520 He is the man who first uncovered the serial mortgage fraud by New York Attorney General Letitia James.

00:34:45.180 Also today on the show confirming that Federal Reserve Board Governor Lisa Cook has engaged in mortgage fraud,

00:35:00.360 signing agreements that stipulated that she would use two different properties,

00:35:05.160 one in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and one outside of Atlanta, Georgia,

00:35:09.880 as her principal legal residence, thus getting a state tax break in both states,

00:35:16.520 but also qualifying for lower mortgage rates.

00:35:20.860 Only a year later, she listed the Georgia property for rent,

00:35:25.340 meaning it could not possibly be her principal residence.

00:35:29.500 You heard it from Sam Antar, who is an expert on these matters.

00:35:34.640 Sam, here are the latest overnights from the tracking poll being done by Kaplan and Associates.

00:35:43.740 This is 1,000 samples citywide.

00:35:47.360 The way this works is every night you take a new 100 samples and you drop the oldest 100 samples,

00:35:53.760 so you have a rolling 1,000 sample overall to determine the direction and changes in the race.

00:36:04.220 Today, if the election were held today, the Ayatollah Zoran-Makdami has dropped from 37 to 36.

00:36:13.780 Andrew Cuomo dropped from 22 to 21.

00:36:16.760 Curtis Sliwa up by a couple points, now at 19, up from previously being at 16.

00:36:27.440 And in last place, the current incumbent mayor, Eric Adams, bringing up the rear position at 13.

00:36:38.080 Slight increase in undecided, went from 8 to 11.

00:36:42.840 Again, not unusual when you have this kind of volatility in any given election.

00:36:51.060 Your thoughts about the current state of the mayor's race, Sam?

00:36:55.480 In 1969, there was a race in Chile with Salvador Allende.

00:37:03.780 Remember Allende?

00:37:05.040 That was during the Nixon administration, right?

00:37:07.460 Okay.

00:37:08.340 He won the presidency of Chile.

00:37:11.260 He was a socialist.

00:37:12.080 He won the presidency of Chile with 36% of the vote.

00:37:17.060 What does Mamdani have?

00:37:18.440 37, you just said?

00:37:20.280 36.

00:37:21.360 What we are seeing in New York is a repeat of what happened in 1969 in Chile when they elected a socialist

00:37:28.980 and the ongoing chaos that ensued afterwards.

00:37:33.820 This is what's going on in New York today.

00:37:36.160 What needs to be done is, between the three other candidates, two of them have to drop out.

00:37:42.460 Now, you can have your preference as to who should stay.

00:37:45.040 We can get that.

00:37:45.900 We get that.

00:37:46.700 Okay?

00:37:47.260 Politics is politics.

00:37:48.440 But two of them have to drop out.

00:37:50.280 Otherwise, Mamdani wins the mayoral race.

00:37:55.180 I think that is a shrewd and accurate analysis.

00:37:59.600 I'm afraid we have to leave it there.

00:38:01.340 Sam, thanks for joining us today in the Stone Zone and to our Stone Zone listeners until tomorrow.

00:38:07.280 God bless you and Godspeed.

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