The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


The Stone Zone | 08-20-25


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What's with these politicians? First, New York Attorney General Letitia James was caught red-handed in a 22 year mortgage fraud spree. Then, Senator Adam Schiff was caught in the act of falsifying documents in order to qualify for lower mortgage rates. Now, Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook may have committed a criminal offense.

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00:00:00.200 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:07.640 Welcome to The Stone Zone.
00:00:10.360 What's with these politicians?
00:00:13.040 First, it was New York Attorney General Letitia James caught red-handed in a 22-year crime spree of mortgage fraud,
00:00:22.580 lying on sworn documents in order to obtain a mortgage at a lower rate and a favorable insurance rate.
00:00:32.660 In other cases, falsifying documents in order to qualify for mortgages that she herself was not eligible for.
00:00:43.000 Then it was Senator Adam Schiff, formerly a congressman.
00:00:46.760 He has a condominium in Burbank, California, as well as a home in Potomac, Maryland.
00:00:54.640 The problem is that he declared both of them as his principal legal residence,
00:01:00.920 getting a healthy tax break in both states and qualifying for lower mortgage rates.
00:01:07.440 It's called mortgage fraud and, well, other people have gone to jail for it.
00:01:12.620 But now, the head of the Federal Housing Finance Administration, Director Bill Pulte,
00:01:19.800 released a letter to Attorney General Pam Bondi,
00:01:23.720 pointing out that Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook may have committed a criminal offense
00:01:31.080 by falsifying bank documents and property records in order to require more favorable loan terms.
00:01:40.280 Pulte alleges that Lisa Cook took mortgages on properties in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and Georgia, 0.98
00:01:48.040 signing agreements that stipulated that she would use each property as her primary legal residence for at least a year.
00:01:58.340 Pulte has called on the Attorney General Pam Bondi to investigate these charges
00:02:04.100 and citing four criminal statutes that specifically he alleges Cook has violated.
00:02:13.160 This is very serious stuff because, of course, were Cook to resign because of an indictment,
00:02:20.380 and by the way, the president has the authority to fire a member of the Federal Reserve Governor's Board for cause.
00:02:29.720 That's if the member of the board engaged in a crime.
00:02:34.440 President Donald Trump today demanded that Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook resign over this emerging mortgage scandal,
00:02:43.760 and the Attorney General Pam Bondi confirmed that she would launch an immediate investigation into the matter.
00:02:51.920 Now, you may remember that the Deputy Attorney General Ed Martin was appointed only a week ago
00:03:00.100 with the specific charge of looking into mortgage fraud.
00:03:05.500 He has already announced that he will do a full aggressive probe of Letitia James,
00:03:13.920 the New York Attorney General, as well as Senator Adam Schiff.
00:03:19.480 But now, Cook will probably also face criminal charges over the matter.
00:03:25.520 The Federal Reserve is a notoriously corrupt institution that's responsible for much,
00:03:30.620 if not all, of the inflation that is required to keep under control under its mandate.
00:03:36.960 The irony here, of course, is that right now, the Board of the Federal Reserve opposes an immediate interest cut
00:03:45.600 on the American people by a five-to-four margin.
00:03:51.000 This makes very little sense because the two indicators that the Federal Reserve is supposed to use
00:03:57.980 in their making a determination whether to cut interest rates on your credit cards
00:04:03.620 or if you want to buy a house or a car or any other consumer purchase
00:04:09.500 are inflation and unemployment.
00:04:12.520 But as of today, despite the false and inaccurate pronostications of the financial elite on Wall Street,
00:04:23.740 inflation is either at the same level or actually lower than it was the last four times
00:04:31.880 the Federal Reserve cut interest rates on the American people.
00:04:35.840 And the same can be said of unemployment.
00:04:38.240 So it's pretty clear that the Federal Reserve chairman, Jerome Powell, is playing politics.
00:04:47.480 He has to be disappointed that the draconian predictions of the financial elites,
00:04:54.300 who said that Donald Trump's push for fairer tariff agreements with our trade partners
00:05:01.800 would lead to runaway inflation, a stock market crash, an unprecedented unemployment, turned out to be wrong on all three.
00:05:11.620 We have a record Dow.
00:05:13.760 Inflation remains low.
00:05:16.140 The dollar remains strong.
00:05:18.780 And the unemployment figures continue to be essentially de minimis.
00:05:24.360 Just think of the economic boom that we would have if we had lower interest rates.
00:05:32.980 I think the president is going to get them.
00:05:35.020 I think he's going to get them because it appears to me like Lisa Cook will be leaving the Board of the Federal Reserves.
00:05:42.040 That would give the president the right to not only appoint a new member, but would also give him the right to appoint the chairperson.
00:05:51.420 And therefore, I think, a more robust economy is on its way.
00:05:59.500 In the meantime, Tulsi Gabbard has eliminated security clearances for over 100 additional, pardon me,
00:06:08.800 over 37 additional individuals believed to be compromised, including many that had a hand in perpetrating the Russian gate conspiracy.
00:06:20.060 A memorandum that was actually posted yesterday online, Tulsi Gabbard, the director of the Office of National Intelligence, said,
00:06:30.900 their access to classified systems, facilities, materials, and information is now terminated forthwith.
00:06:40.080 Any contracts or unemployment with the U.S. government by these 37 individuals is hereby terminated.
00:06:48.040 Any credentials held by these individuals must be surrendered to the appropriate security officers.
00:06:55.400 Among those suspended, a man named Mar Bitar, identified right here in the Stone Zone as one of the key perpetrators of the Russian collusion hoax,
00:07:08.420 an advisor to Adam Schiff when the Democrats were in the majority in the House Intelligence Committee,
00:07:16.260 now back serving again as the National Security Advisor for Senator Adam Schiff.
00:07:24.560 Mr. Ben-Harr is a strong proponent of jihad.
00:07:30.440 He is a strong proponent of the Palestinian cause.
00:07:35.080 He is a hater of Jews.
00:07:36.860 I'm delighted to see that the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, has moved forward.
00:07:46.220 One of the other people who had their clearances removed was Vin Nguyen,
00:07:51.460 a former top aide to Obama's director of national intelligence, James Clapper.
00:07:57.220 Clapper, of course, is among those individuals who have been exposed in recent disclosures
00:08:01.860 as having been among the most responsible for the genesis of the entire Russian collusion hoax.
00:08:10.820 Those in the fake news media who continue to claim that there was, in fact, Russian interference in our elections,
00:08:21.360 first of all, they do two things.
00:08:22.860 They conflate interference in the election that was essentially de minimis in order to cause chaos.
00:08:32.540 I'm sorry, but less than $150,000 worth of Facebook ads in an election in which $8.9 billion was spent
00:08:43.800 for political messaging and advertising is a drop in the bucket.
00:08:49.040 And the fact that the Russian bot farms that allegedly conducted that Facebook campaign
00:08:57.560 never came to trial, even that is an unproven allegation.
00:09:04.020 Beyond that, there is the false claim, recycled again and again and again by the reprobate,
00:09:10.880 conman, huckster, charlatan, Adam Schiff,
00:09:14.260 and the most corrupt prosecutor in U.S. history, Andrew Weissman,
00:09:21.000 that campaign manager Paul Manafort, that is Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort,
00:09:27.180 shared proprietary polling information with a Russian intelligence asset.
00:09:34.400 That is wrong on three, for three different reasons.
00:09:38.160 One, because the timing in question was at a time that the Trump campaign
00:09:44.240 had no proprietary polling information.
00:09:47.720 It was after the convention, but before the general election
00:09:50.800 and before they have done their first round of benchmark polling.
00:09:55.260 Secondarily, all of the material that Manafort gave to his contact,
00:10:00.780 a man named Konstantin Kalimnik, was on the public record,
00:10:04.400 meaning polling that you could find anywhere online.
00:10:07.880 And thirdly, Kalimnik is most definitely an American intelligence asset.
00:10:15.060 We know this because in the cable traffic between our embassy in Kiev
00:10:22.240 and the U.S. State Department, his name is blacked out and redacted
00:10:27.760 because he was a valued asset.
00:10:29.840 The independent investigative journalist Matt Taibbi has definitely documented
00:10:38.680 the fact that Kalimnik was a U.S. intelligence asset.
00:10:42.780 But you see, having squandered $30 million on this investigation
00:10:47.640 and having almost destroyed the lives of President Donald Trump,
00:10:53.260 General Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, and, well, yours truly,
00:10:58.700 they have to say something.
00:11:01.820 It is outrageous to me that it has taken this long.
00:11:07.560 You may remember Special Counsel John Durham.
00:11:12.400 He was supposed to get to the bottom of this,
00:11:14.520 but he took five long years to tell us what we already know.
00:11:19.080 The Steele dossier, which was the report that alleged that Donald Trump
00:11:24.420 had dallied with prostitutes in Moscow while visiting that country
00:11:28.600 as a private businessman, was a complete fugazi,
00:11:32.580 a total fabrication paid for by Hillary Clinton.
00:11:36.280 In fact, once she got busted, she had to pay a hefty fine
00:11:39.780 to the Federal Election Commission because she listed the payments
00:11:43.460 for that illicit dossier as a legal expense rather than what it really was.
00:11:49.660 And then just this week, Tulsi Gabbard uncovered declassified documents
00:11:57.480 that prove that there never was any online hack of the Democrat National Committee
00:12:04.300 by the Russians or anyone else.
00:12:07.320 The speed time of the downloads, which can be tracked through forensic investigation,
00:12:13.660 demonstrate that the material that was stolen from the Democrat National Committee
00:12:18.360 or from Hillary's campaign was taken and downloaded to a portable drive
00:12:25.760 and taken out the back door.
00:12:29.520 So the entire hoax has collapsed, and it is my understanding that a federal grand jury
00:12:35.340 has now been convened in New York, in Washington, and in Florida.
00:12:41.780 That's because the legal theory behind this investigation is that it is a continuing conspiracy,
00:12:49.980 meaning that it wasn't just in 2016 to try to hurt Trump in the election,
00:12:56.600 2017 to try to undo his election,
00:12:59.440 but it was also in 2020 to try to interfere with the integrity of the 2020 election
00:13:06.180 and continued into 2024 and 2025, culminating in the raid on the home of a former president at Mar-a-Lago.
00:13:18.080 They rummaged through Melania's underwear draw just as they rummaged through my wife's underwear draw
00:13:24.920 when they raided my home at 6 o'clock in the morning,
00:13:28.740 when all they had to do was tell my lawyers that they were charging me with a non-existent crime,
00:13:34.640 and I, of course, would have turned myself in.
00:13:37.280 But then, I wouldn't be all over CNN.
00:13:41.100 I would have been able to raise literally millions of dollars for my legal defense.
00:13:46.200 I would not have had my redemption in the blood of the cross,
00:13:49.740 and I probably would not be with you today.
00:13:52.660 Thank you for tuning in to The Stone Zone right here on the Red Apple Audio Networks.
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00:14:32.240 Welcome back into The Stone Zone.
00:14:36.120 Billionaire Elon Musk has announced that he has canceled his plans for a third American party,
00:14:43.700 and that he plans to support Vice President J.D. Vance in 2028.
00:14:49.280 The tech billionaire, Elon Musk, is apparently back on the MAGA train after a slight hiccup over the summer,
00:14:55.720 as reports indicate that the Tesla CEO is shelving his third-party scheme and planning to go all-in for my friend J.D. Vance
00:15:05.920 during his anticipated presidential run in 2028.
00:15:10.780 Musk has been telling people close to him that he wants to focus on growing his various businesses and companies,
00:15:17.600 rather than embarking on the messy, complicated, and legally challenging process of starting a third party,
00:15:26.180 particularly in an off-year election.
00:15:28.140 Of course, a third party were it to get on the ballot could prove catastrophic to Republican chances in next year's midterm elections.
00:15:37.760 Musk has also maintained a rapport with Vance and is considering using his vast wealth to back Vance during the 2028 presidential run, as he indicated.
00:15:50.420 Musk canceled a call in July with an organization that specializes in setting up third-party campaigns,
00:15:58.020 as Elon Musk quickly lost interest in the idea.
00:16:02.520 As the person with the greatest responsibility for getting Libertarian Party candidate Governor Gary Johnson on the ballot as a Libertarian in 2012,
00:16:14.200 that's because I could not abide Mitt Romney, a man who, in my opinion, believed in nothing whatsoever,
00:16:21.600 I can tell you that even with a party organization, in this case the Libertarians,
00:16:28.140 who already had ballot access in approximately, I would say at that time, 30 states,
00:16:37.080 it is extraordinarily difficult to get on the ballot from the get-go as a new party.
00:16:44.940 I wrote about this some time ago on my Substack.
00:16:48.380 That MAGA should be ready to let Elon Musk back into the fold. 0.95
00:16:53.140 Even though Musk's attacks on President Trump were a bit immature and actually completely uncalled for,
00:17:00.320 he did quickly apologize for them.
00:17:02.960 And none of that erases the great work he has done, not only in the 2024 presidential election,
00:17:08.940 but also how he saved digital free speech with his acquisition of X.
00:17:16.940 It is only that acquisition that allows me to have a social media presence.
00:17:23.560 And frankly, I am most grateful to be back on the platform.
00:17:28.700 When we come back into the Stone Zone, Sam Antar, fraud investigator par excellence,
00:17:35.280 joins us to break it all down.
00:17:37.580 Whatever you do, stay with us in the Stone Zone.
00:17:40.280 We've got a lot more politics for you today.
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00:17:52.480 Welcome back into the Stone Zone.
00:17:56.120 Timing is really quite extraordinary.
00:17:59.700 Me now is Sam Antar.
00:18:01.780 Sam Antar is a very interesting individual.
00:18:04.260 Once the centerpiece of one of the largest SEC frauds in American history,
00:18:12.320 Sam paid his debt to society and reemerged as one of the country's leading fraud investigators,
00:18:19.800 using his keen forensic and accounting skills to pinpoint fraud in both public and private institutions,
00:18:27.500 with a special eye on politicians, who we all know to be among the most corrupt members of our society.
00:18:35.020 It was Sam Antar who first uncovered the serial mortgage fraud by New York's Attorney General, Letitia James.
00:18:46.960 She tried to brush that away by telling the New York Times that these were simply typographical errors,
00:18:54.760 which of course is nonsensical.
00:18:57.280 Sam Antar is a man who keeps receipts.
00:19:00.740 What I really like about his website, which you can see by going to whitecollarfraud.com,
00:19:07.940 whitecollarfraud.com,
00:19:10.680 is that Sam links the actual documents to all of his reporting.
00:19:16.200 So you can see yourself that he's just not making representations.
00:19:21.100 He shows you the actual fraudulent documents that he refers to.
00:19:27.640 And it is therefore particularly interesting that he joins us today
00:19:32.380 because we woke up to news that Bill Pulte,
00:19:38.100 who took action in the Letitia James case by sending a letter of criminal referral,
00:19:45.480 to the U.S. Justice Department,
00:19:47.940 which resulted in the appointment of a special counsel to investigate mortgage fraud.
00:19:54.560 That would be Ed Martin, Deputy Attorney General,
00:19:58.220 now investigating mortgage fraud by both Letitia James and Senator Adam Schiff.
00:20:04.760 It appears to me that he will now also therefore be investigating the alleged mortgage fraud by Lisa Cook.
00:20:16.040 Now, Lisa Cook is not a name that is known widely to the American public,
00:20:22.140 but she is on the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve.
00:20:26.460 Now, in America, you're innocent until proven guilty,
00:20:30.980 but I think Sam Antar will tell you this.
00:20:34.260 The fraud investigators at the Federal Home Finance Administration are very serious about their jobs.
00:20:40.920 They don't make criminal referrals for political reasons.
00:20:44.280 They make criminal referrals based on the facts.
00:20:47.240 So, Sam, welcome back into the Stone Zone.
00:20:50.120 Your reaction to the news that Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook may have committed a criminal offense
00:20:57.280 by falsifying, in this case, allegedly, according to Bloomberg this morning,
00:21:03.060 falsifying bank documents and property records in order to acquire more favorable loan terms.
00:21:09.220 I looked at the documents, and she is, in my opinion, she's as guilty as stated.
00:21:17.120 First, you have Ann Arbor, Michigan property, okay?
00:21:22.180 That property, she said that she was going to occupy it within 60 days.
00:21:27.060 That's right in the mortgage, okay?
00:21:29.380 And she said that it was going to be her primary residence, okay?
00:21:33.780 Then, about two weeks later, she enters into another mortgage on a condominium that she says,
00:21:41.060 it's going to be her primary residence, too.
00:21:44.220 Now, you can't have two primary residences.
00:21:46.980 You have one primary residence, and that's it.
00:21:50.260 There's nothing to dispute here.
00:21:52.540 The way this information looks to me, she committed mortgage fraud, period. 0.54
00:21:57.000 What is it with these politicians that think they can get away with this?
00:22:01.240 I suspect we're going to hear about a lot more of them.
00:22:05.580 To me, if I did this, or if you did this, I think we both know what the result would be.
00:22:11.260 Yet, they seem to think that they're an elite class of protected individuals who can do whatever they want.
00:22:18.580 If you would, just walk us through very quickly what you discovered about Letitia James,
00:22:24.360 because it's very, very similar.
00:22:26.040 Well, it's similar in a lot of – it's similar in that it's mortgage fraud.
00:22:30.960 With Tish James, she had a building in Brooklyn that she owned and occupied. 0.93
00:22:35.740 She claimed it had four units, when it actually had five according to the certificate of occupancy.
00:22:42.900 That allowed Tish James to obtain favorable terms on 10 mortgages over 20 or so years, period.
00:22:50.900 On another property in Virginia, she claimed that – this is right before the Trump trial –
00:22:58.200 she claimed that she was going to use it as her primary residence.
00:23:04.280 She didn't, okay?
00:23:05.680 That was a false statement to the bank.
00:23:08.620 Earlier, two weeks earlier, she claimed she wasn't going to use it as a primary residence,
00:23:13.480 and she claims the later statement was a mistake.
00:23:16.040 A mistake, it was witnessed by two people in her own office.
00:23:21.800 One of the people was very, very involved in the Trump lawsuit.
00:23:28.160 So she – another cut-and-dry case.
00:23:32.340 All of these cases are cut-and-dry.
00:23:34.480 Lisa Cook, Letitia James is cut-and-dry.
00:23:37.920 There's nothing to dispute.
00:23:39.320 The documents speak for themselves.
00:23:41.620 The documents are public documents.
00:23:43.040 Anybody can see the progression of the documents.
00:23:47.180 This is not rocket science.
00:23:49.460 It is, I don't think, an understatement to say without the groundbreaking research published by Sam Antar
00:23:58.120 at his website, whitecollarfraud.com,
00:24:01.860 and the fact that that elementary research got picked up by reporters like Joel Gilbert at the Gateway Pundit,
00:24:09.880 we probably would not have the appointment of a special counsel, Ed Martin, to now look into these issues.
00:24:16.120 This, I think, is a direct example of how one citizen determined to get to the truth can really make a major difference in the world today.
00:24:29.340 Sam has also been a very articulate critic of the candidacy of the Ayatollah Zoran Mamdami.
00:24:38.360 You know, they tell us that Mamdami's come from behind shocking win in the Democrat primaries, people power,
00:24:47.460 that this was grassroots generated, and that it was Zamdami standing up to the dark money and to the special interests.
00:24:57.360 But then, in Mandami's initial campaign finance filing with the New York City Board of Elections,
00:25:06.140 the filing showed just the opposite.
00:25:09.120 In fact, I looked at Sam Antar's work, and it appears to me that despite the fact that he got, at this point,
00:25:16.840 probably millions of hits on Instagram, on Facebook, on X, on Snapchat, and so on,
00:25:25.760 virtually no one pushed the donate button on his website.
00:25:30.760 All of his money came from bundlers, particularly one particular bundler.
00:25:35.840 Once that news broke through Sam's terrific website, whitecollarfraud.com,
00:25:44.380 and was publicized here in the Stone Zone,
00:25:47.980 well, then Mamdami's campaign went out and completely restated their campaign finance reports
00:25:54.100 to completely contradict the first report.
00:25:58.300 Personally, I think the first report was the truth.
00:26:01.260 Then, this is almost laughable, they threatened to sue Sam Antar,
00:26:08.120 to which I say, good luck with that.
00:26:11.080 Sam Antar is the most meticulous researcher I've come across in the 50 years I've been in American politics.
00:26:18.720 He never says anything that he can't absolutely positively prove with the actual records.
00:26:26.720 But now, perhaps the biggest story yet pertaining to the New York City mayor's race
00:26:34.700 is the fact that the Mamdami phenomena that they keep touting as grassroots 0.72
00:26:41.980 is actually funded by an interlocking series of political organizations
00:26:47.980 and non-profits that are legally prohibited by law and by their tax status
00:26:55.460 from engaging in political activity.
00:26:59.020 Sam has a shocking new report, got picked up by Zero Hedge, among others,
00:27:05.240 that shows that there's a syndicate that was behind Mamdami's election.
00:27:11.060 Sam, lay this out for us.
00:27:13.440 Okay.
00:27:14.200 First of all, you have to understand the tax law.
00:27:16.660 There's 501c3s, those are charities.
00:27:19.540 You give the money to the charity, you get a tax deduction.
00:27:23.180 And then there are 501c4, those are political organizations.
00:27:28.100 You can't give money to them directly and get a tax deduction.
00:27:31.980 So how do they do it?
00:27:33.180 They wash it.
00:27:34.540 You give money to a 501c3, you transfer it to a 501c3,
00:27:41.020 you transfer it to a 501c4, and therefore you get the tax deduction.
00:27:46.020 I've called on the IRS and I have filed the complaint to do a significant investigation of this entire thing.
00:27:55.820 They need a task force to investigate all of these non-profits.
00:28:00.440 As I laid out my blog in detail, this is a syndicate of interlocking management
00:28:07.140 and interlocking personnel and money going back and forth.
00:28:12.460 If you want, I'll give you an example.
00:28:14.840 Okay.
00:28:15.820 Soros donates money to the Open Society Institute.
00:28:19.880 That's one of his charities.
00:28:21.280 It's a 501c3.
00:28:22.920 He gets a tax deduction.
00:28:25.280 Step two, Open Society Institute, which is a 501c3 charity,
00:28:30.940 sends $6.9 million to the Tides Foundation,
00:28:34.740 which is also a Section 501c3 charity.
00:28:39.240 Step three, Tides, which is the 501c3 charity,
00:28:44.340 sends $4.6 million to the Working Families Organization.
00:28:49.460 That's a 501c4 political group.
00:28:54.960 Now you've got money from charities to politics that's been fully tax-deductible.
00:29:01.220 Okay, the Working Families Organization takes that money
00:29:05.500 and sends it to PACs and super PACs and et cetera, supporting their candidates.
00:29:11.060 When you look at Mandani, when you look at Letitia James,
00:29:14.540 because they're both members of the Working Families Party,
00:29:17.300 they are the products of a machine.
00:29:20.060 They are the end result.
00:29:21.600 They were manufactured by this machine for public consumption.
00:29:26.120 You wonder why people got to where they are.
00:29:29.020 This is why.
00:29:30.240 They're manufactured by a machine, funded by billionaires, primarily Soros,
00:29:35.640 but we also have other money coming in from billionaires in Silicon Valley in California.
00:29:43.240 I guess you filed a formal complaint with the Internal Revenue Service.
00:29:48.280 The question is, of course, will the IRS take action quickly enough
00:29:53.260 to prevent these same kind of abuses from taking place in the general election.
00:29:59.860 Today, I see the mayor's race continuing to be in flux with some slight movement,
00:30:07.620 which we'll talk about here in a moment.
00:30:09.480 But Sam, do you think there is a chance that the IRS will move expeditiously
00:30:14.260 to stop these illegal activities?
00:30:17.200 It depends upon the commission of the IRS.
00:30:20.920 Whether the commission of the IRS can direct resources, can overrule section heads, etc.
00:30:27.400 You know, the government is an entrenched bureaucracy.
00:30:30.040 One thing I learned is it's not so much the agency,
00:30:33.220 it's who it is at the agency that gets things done.
00:30:36.180 I believe what we have is a massive tax fraud scheme.
00:30:41.880 I believe that there's over a billion dollars the IRS can collect.
00:30:50.140 That's my belief, okay?
00:30:51.980 I believe that these people engaged in illegal election interference,
00:30:59.660 I believe in a lot of things, but you know something?
00:31:02.320 The IRS has to investigate.
00:31:03.880 I provided documents, I filed three supplemental submissions to the IRS,
00:31:09.920 I've filed plenty of documents showing them the trail, and it's up to them.
00:31:14.300 If they can't put it together, then they're incompetent.
00:31:17.920 If you're just tuning in, folks, we're talking to professional fraud investigator Sam Antar.
00:31:25.240 He has examined the claims by the Federal Housing Finance Agency Director Bill Pulte,
00:31:32.320 a story which broke this morning that suggests that Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook
00:31:39.340 has committed a criminal offense by allegedly falsifying bank documents and property records
00:31:47.120 to acquire more favorable mortgage loan terms.
00:31:51.320 So this is now more than just a claim by Mr. Pulte, has now been documented by our guest, Sam Antar,
00:32:01.020 who I can tell you is extraordinarily meticulous in any assertion that he makes.
00:32:07.980 I have been very impressed by his research.
00:32:11.300 By the way, go to his website, whitecollarfraud.com.
00:32:15.560 You'll see that he documents everything he says, and now he has come forward to say that the allegations
00:32:24.620 put forward by the director of the FHFA, who, by the way, oversees both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,
00:32:34.640 the nation's two largest governmental mortgage agencies, are, in Sam's opinion, you heard it yourself,
00:32:44.360 accurate in that this is an open and shut case.
00:32:47.620 This is a little different than the allegations of various politicians cheating on their mortgages
00:32:56.640 because in the event that Cook is forced to resign and the president does have the authority to fire her for cause,
00:33:06.280 well, that would shift the balance on the Federal Reserve, which would lead, I think, very quickly
00:33:11.460 to an interest rate cut for the American people, something that I think, based on the current rate of inflation
00:33:20.120 and the current rate of unemployment is merited, it's extraordinary that the last four times
00:33:28.740 that the Federal Reserve cut interest rates, unemployment and inflation were either lower than
00:33:36.820 or at the exact same place they are today.
00:33:40.140 Don't go away.
00:33:41.320 We'll be back with Sam Antar right here in the Stone Zone right after this brief break.
00:33:47.020 We'd love to talk business.
00:34:17.020 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:34:26.640 And you're back in the zone with Roger Stone.
00:34:30.420 We're talking to Sam Antar, who is the editor and publisher of WhiteCollarFraud.com.
00:34:36.520 He is the man who first uncovered the serial mortgage fraud by New York Attorney General Letitia James.
00:34:45.180 Also today on the show confirming that Federal Reserve Board Governor Lisa Cook has engaged in mortgage fraud,
00:35:00.360 signing agreements that stipulated that she would use two different properties,
00:35:05.160 one in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and one outside of Atlanta, Georgia,
00:35:09.880 as her principal legal residence, thus getting a state tax break in both states,
00:35:16.520 but also qualifying for lower mortgage rates.
00:35:20.860 Only a year later, she listed the Georgia property for rent,
00:35:25.340 meaning it could not possibly be her principal residence.
00:35:29.500 You heard it from Sam Antar, who is an expert on these matters.
00:35:34.640 Sam, here are the latest overnights from the tracking poll being done by Kaplan and Associates.
00:35:43.740 This is 1,000 samples citywide.
00:35:47.360 The way this works is every night you take a new 100 samples and you drop the oldest 100 samples,
00:35:53.760 so you have a rolling 1,000 sample overall to determine the direction and changes in the race.
00:36:04.220 Today, if the election were held today, the Ayatollah Zoran-Makdami has dropped from 37 to 36.
00:36:13.780 Andrew Cuomo dropped from 22 to 21.
00:36:16.760 Curtis Sliwa up by a couple points, now at 19, up from previously being at 16.
00:36:27.440 And in last place, the current incumbent mayor, Eric Adams, bringing up the rear position at 13.
00:36:38.080 Slight increase in undecided, went from 8 to 11.
00:36:42.840 Again, not unusual when you have this kind of volatility in any given election.
00:36:51.060 Your thoughts about the current state of the mayor's race, Sam?
00:36:55.480 In 1969, there was a race in Chile with Salvador Allende.
00:37:03.780 Remember Allende?
00:37:05.040 That was during the Nixon administration, right?
00:37:07.460 Okay.
00:37:08.340 He won the presidency of Chile.
00:37:11.260 He was a socialist.
00:37:12.080 He won the presidency of Chile with 36% of the vote.
00:37:17.060 What does Mamdani have?
00:37:18.440 37, you just said?
00:37:20.280 36.
00:37:21.360 What we are seeing in New York is a repeat of what happened in 1969 in Chile when they elected a socialist
00:37:28.980 and the ongoing chaos that ensued afterwards.
00:37:33.820 This is what's going on in New York today.
00:37:36.160 What needs to be done is, between the three other candidates, two of them have to drop out.
00:37:42.460 Now, you can have your preference as to who should stay.
00:37:45.040 We can get that.
00:37:45.900 We get that.
00:37:46.700 Okay?
00:37:47.260 Politics is politics.
00:37:48.440 But two of them have to drop out.
00:37:50.280 Otherwise, Mamdani wins the mayoral race.
00:37:55.180 I think that is a shrewd and accurate analysis.
00:37:59.600 I'm afraid we have to leave it there.
00:38:01.340 Sam, thanks for joining us today in the Stone Zone and to our Stone Zone listeners until tomorrow.
00:38:07.280 God bless you and Godspeed.
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