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00:00:41.180 Well, Federal Reserve Board Governor Lisa Cook fired for cause early this week

00:00:48.120 after mortgage fraud allegations surfaced, has filed her lawsuit against President Donald Trump,

00:00:54.540 Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell and the Board of Governors claiming that she is unfireable.

00:01:02.780 Why should you care? Well, it's very simple.

00:01:05.560 Today, if there were a vote of the Federal Reserve, it would be five to four against cutting interest rates on the American people.

00:01:13.980 Those are the interest rates you pay when you buy a car or buy a home or pay off your mortgage or make a loan for your personal or business reasons. 0.53

00:01:25.300 In this particular case, Lisa Cook, the black woman who serves on the Federal Reserve, got caught red-handed engaging in mortgage fraud.

00:01:38.160 Specifically, she claimed that her home in Ann Arbor, Michigan was her principal legal residence.

00:01:45.980 Therefore, she got a state tax break and a lower mortgage rate and a lower insurance rate.

00:01:52.280 And then just two weeks later, she claimed that a home she owned outside of Atlanta, Georgia was her principal legal residence.

00:02:02.640 And she also got another state tax break, a lower mortgage rate, and a lower insurance rate.

00:02:10.800 Now, one cannot have two principal legal residences.

00:02:15.480 The important thing to understand here is that the Federal Home Finance Agency prosecutes average citizens every year, every week, every month around the clock.

00:02:27.280 You don't hear about it because they're not famous, they're not prominent, but this is a crime, a crime for which literally hundreds of thousands of people have been prosecuted.

00:02:38.600 Now, in this particular matter, Lisa Cook is being represented by former Hunter Biden attorney Abby Lowell.

00:02:46.580 He's also representing New York Attorney General Letitia James as she stands accused of committing very similar acts of mortgage fraud.

00:02:55.900 I know Abby Lowell. He didn't do a very good job for Hunter Biden. He represented former New York

00:03:01.820 State Majority Leader Joe Bruno when he was convicted, his conviction being thrown out by

00:03:08.060 the Supreme Court, and then him getting totally exonerated when the federal government improbably

00:03:14.240 retried him, but he fired Abby Lowell and got himself a better lawyer. Also, former Senator

00:03:20.960 Bob Torricelli, forced to resign from the U.S. Senate, represented by Abby Lowell. The lawsuit

00:03:28.580 filed in Washington, D.C. states a declaration that President Trump's August 25, 2025 purported

00:03:35.680 firing is unlawful and void, and that Governor Cook remains an active member of the Board of

00:03:42.180 Governors of the Federal Reserve. I spoke to Bradford Cohen today, a prominent member of the

00:03:49.060 legal community here in Florida, who tells me that in his opinion, cause as defined in the law

00:03:55.560 is really whatever the president decides it is. In fact, in the history of the Federal Reserve,

00:04:02.940 three previous Federal Reserve governors have resigned on those instances where they were

00:04:10.540 under investigation, very much like Lisa Cook. Eric Rosengen, Richard Clarinda, and Robert Kaplan

00:04:20.540 were all federal board governors, and all of them resigned under a cloud because they were under

00:04:27.580 federal investigation. That is defined as cause. Cook is, of course, the first black woman ever

00:04:35.620 appointed to the Federal Reserve. And I guess she thinks due to DEI privilege that she is

00:04:41.940 untouchable no matter how much corruption she commits. As the Secretary of the Treasury,

00:04:48.000 Scott Besson, said so succinctly in an interview yesterday, I have yet to see her deny doing it.

00:04:55.800 She doesn't deny doing it. She says that she's being targeted like it's some kind of an act of

00:05:02.520 selective prosecution, when in fact what she's really saying is that she's above the law.

00:05:08.240 She should be held to a different standard than everyone else. When privilege is the typical

00:05:16.120 entitled mindset of the DEI American, and everything has been handed to because of your

00:05:24.760 ethnicity or the cover of your skin or because of your gender, true equality can seem like injustice.

00:05:32.040 Hopefully, the courts dismiss this ridiculous lawsuit. 0.76

00:05:35.340 I believe they will.

00:05:36.620 But the bad news is the case has been assigned to U.S. District Court Judge Gia Cobb.

00:05:44.900 Now, interestingly enough, I see a picture of Gia Cobb.

00:05:47.600 She looks amazingly like Lisa Cook, and she was appointed by Joe Biden. 0.89

00:05:52.700 Therefore, you can bet she is a left-wing activist jurist in D.C. 0.89

00:05:58.160 I've had first-hand experience in the D.C. courts.

00:06:01.600 I can tell you right now that this case, at least at the district court level, will be wrongly decided,

00:06:08.200 meaning I wouldn't be shocked to see Gia Cobb rule for Lisa Cook,

00:06:14.380 which means the U.S. Supreme Court will ultimately get this case where, once again, I believe President Trump will win a resounding victory.

00:06:24.460 Thank God for the Federal Housing and Finance Agency Administrator Bill Pulte, who is being roundly criticized at the Wall Street Journal, Politico, all the usual suspects.

00:06:37.960 By the way, if the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, MSNBC, CNN criticize you, that means you're doing something right.

00:06:47.660 And in this case, what he's doing is enforcing the law evenly, the same way it's enforced for average citizens.

00:06:55.960 These elites seem to think that they're above the law.

00:06:59.260 Adam Schiff takes a different approach than Lisa Cook.

00:07:02.600 He got busted in the same way.

00:07:04.860 In his case, he claimed that his condominium in Burbank, which clearly, by the way, is not suitable for a family of four, which is what he claims to have,

00:07:15.600 was his principal legal residence. He got a state tax break. He got a lower mortgage rate.

00:07:21.760 He got a lower insurance rate. But then he claimed that his home in Potomac, Maryland,

00:07:26.540 which he refinanced four times, by the way, was his principal legal residence. Once again,

00:07:31.740 he got another state tax break based on the basis that it was his principal legal resident,

00:07:39.380 a lower mortgage rate, and a lower insurance rate. But in Adam Schiff's case, when he was on

00:07:45.500 NBC this weekend. Rather than deny it, he just chose to lie. He said, no, no, no, that's true.

00:07:51.960 That's made up. Adam Schiff, made up? You mean kind of like the Russian collusion hoax?

00:07:58.020 Completely made up. If it's Schiff, flush it. All right. This is very sad news. Robin Westerman,

00:08:06.500 the transgendered psychopath who committed a mass shooting on children in a Catholic school 0.98

00:08:11.700 in Minneapolis yesterday, expressed a deep regret about pursuing his gender transition. 0.97

00:08:19.060 Westerman, who was born as a male named Robert, wrote in his manifesto about what a mistake he

00:08:23.860 made joining the transgender cult and sacrificing his genitalia to Moloch. Westerman said, 0.91

00:08:31.400 I only keep the long hair because it pretty much is my last shred of being trans.

00:08:35.580 I'm tired of being trans. I wish I'd never brainwashed myself. I can't cut my hair now

00:08:40.740 it would be an embarrassing defeat. And it might be concerning change of character that could very

00:08:47.080 well get me reported. It just always gets in my way. I will probably chop it on the day of the

00:08:53.120 attack. This is heart rendering. Our hearts go out to those who were murdered in that mass shooting. 0.97

00:09:01.420 But let me point out yet again, Minnesota has among the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

00:09:07.600 But if guns are made criminal, only criminals will have guns.

00:09:13.260 The Nobel Peace Prize Committee has come out, no surprise here, against a Nobel Peace Prize for President Donald Trump.

00:09:22.800 Even though President Trump has organized countless peace treaties and ceasefires,

00:09:27.300 has made diplomacy great again from a U.S. foreign policy perspective.

00:09:32.700 influential members of the Norwegian, kind of tells you everything you need to know,

00:09:37.680 Nobel Peace Prize Committee are heaping criticism on President Trump, making it less likely that he

00:09:43.200 will win this award that, in my opinion, he so richly deserves. The Nobel Committee chairman,

00:09:50.080 Jorgen Watney Freedness, has stated that Trump is responsible for, quote, the erosion of freedom

00:09:57.080 of expression, even in democratic nations. This is really strange because, of course,

00:10:02.780 the people who were censoring folks on the internet, whether it was Facebook or Instagram

00:10:08.200 or YouTube or Twitter, that happened under Joe Biden and before him under Barack Obama.

00:10:17.020 Actually, Donald Trump is the one who is committed to free speech, free speech in the United Kingdom,

00:10:22.280 free speech in the United States, free speech in Europe.

00:10:26.220 Again, this is what's called Alinskyism.

00:10:29.420 It's named after Saul Alinsky.

00:10:31.880 He wrote a book called Rules for Radicals, Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.

00:10:36.820 Please, if you're listening to The Stone Zone regularly, keep this in mind.

00:10:41.460 They are always guilty of exactly what it is they accuse us of doing.

00:10:47.680 So when they say Donald Trump is a danger to democracy, no.

00:10:52.280 It was Barack Obama, Joe Biden, CIA Director John Brennan, FBI Director James Comey, National Security Advisor Susan Rice, the Director of National Intelligence General James Clapper.

00:11:07.280 they are the ones who are a danger to democracy. They favor endless foreign war, above all

00:11:14.300 censorship. Don't question their wars. Don't question the effectiveness or the efficiency

00:11:20.020 or the safety of a COVID-19 vaccination. Otherwise, we'll be forced to just silence you.

00:11:27.660 Another committee member of the Nobel Peace Prize group of elites, Christian Clement,

00:11:32.760 said that President Trump is well underway in dismantling American democracy after his first

00:11:39.600 100 days of his current term. I wonder what it is he hates so much about America. Is it our

00:11:45.440 booming economy? Is it the fact that X now no longer allows censorship? Or is it

00:11:53.520 our refusal to commit to endless foreign war? These people are truly, truly deranged. 0.98

00:11:59.840 Another member of the Norwegian Nobel Peace Prize Committee, Gray Larson, posted in 2017 that President Trump was putting millions of lives at risk by cutting foreign aid while wearing a cringe-inducing make-human-rights-great-again hat. 0.95

00:12:19.340 These people are laughable jokes, folks, elites.

00:12:23.380 President Trump has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by the nation of Pakistan,

00:12:27.700 as well as the chairman of the Tunica Biloxi tribe of Indians from Louisiana, Marshal Pirite.

00:12:34.640 President Trump acknowledged that there was a good chance that no matter what I do,

00:12:38.660 they'll never give it up and refuse to do any politicking or campaigning to actually receive the reward that he so richly deserves.

00:12:47.520 The truth is the Nobel Peace Prize Committee has always been a tool to promote globalist leftism and undermine conservatism and nationalism.

00:12:56.820 They gave Barack Obama the Nobel Peace Prize.

00:13:01.040 What was his great accomplishment for peace?

00:13:04.100 He killed more people.

00:13:06.220 He fired more drones.

00:13:08.500 He fired more missiles than any president in American history.

00:13:13.120 He has no accomplishments for peace, unlike Donald Trump, who negotiated a ceasefire between Israel and Iran, negotiated an end to the conflict between Iran and Pakistan, ended the hostilities between Armenia and Azerbaijan, ended the hostilities between Egypt and Ethiopia, ended the war between Rwanda and the Democrat Republic of Congo.

00:13:38.060 Those are just some examples of why Donald Trump deserves this award.

00:13:44.060 But I agree with the president.

00:13:46.280 These elitist leftists who see everything backwards.

00:13:50.200 Trump is the danger to democracy, not the people who stole the election, not the people who want to censor free speech, not those who want to make their vaccinations mandatory.

00:14:00.400 I'd say they're the danger to democracy.

00:14:03.160 Thanks for listening to us here in the Stone Zone.

00:14:05.240 I'm Roger Stone, right here on the Red Apple Audio Networks, and we'll be right back.

00:14:13.140 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:14:20.340 Welcome back into the Stone Zone.

00:14:23.160 The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.,

00:14:28.300 announced new FDA rules today which fulfill his promises to stop COVID vaccination mandates.

00:14:35.240 allowing people who want to take the vaccinations, the access to them,

00:14:39.860 mandating placebo-controlled clinical trials from Big Pharma,

00:14:44.260 and ending the emergency authorization to skirt normal authorization legalization protocols.

00:14:52.020 JF, pardon me, RFK Jr. announced in an ex-post that he has rescinded

00:14:56.440 emergency youth authorizations for COVID-19 vaccinations.

00:15:00.440 The FDA has also issued a marketing authorization for COVID vaccinations produced by Moderna at ages 6 months and above, Pfizer at ages 5 and up, and Novavax at ages 12 years and up, making them available for patients only after they consult with their doctors ahead of time, and it is determined that there is an elevated risk of getting severely ill from COVID.

00:15:26.880 This is what we have always favored, free choice.

00:15:29.660 Let those who choose to take the vaccinations, take them.

00:15:33.020 Let those who choose not to, not to.

00:15:35.500 Seems to me the American way.

00:15:38.000 Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s critics who claim that he's anti-vaccination were lying all along.

00:15:43.800 He never wanted to take vaccinations away from the people.

00:15:47.200 He simply wanted people to be able to make informed choices without government coercion about their personal health.

00:15:53.780 With one move after another, RFK Jr. is putting America back on the trajectory towards a health care and medical system that puts patients, not big pharma, first.

00:16:04.560 This is what will make America healthy again.

00:16:08.040 This is very, very apropos from our upcoming guest.

00:16:12.160 Dr. Kirk Moore was wrongfully prosecuted for upholding his medical ethics during the COVID-19 vaccination mandates.

00:16:22.200 He was facing 35 years in prison until the Trump Justice Department did the right thing.

00:16:30.280 We're going to be right back with Dr. Kirk Moore to talk about that.

00:16:34.760 It's a chilling story, which you're not going to want to miss.

00:16:39.120 So far, I think Robert F. Kennedy is one of the absolute standouts of this cabinet,

00:16:44.780 and he is fulfilling his mandate to make America healthy again.

00:16:50.220 He's done so under withering criticism from Big Pharma and from their allies in the big media.

00:16:57.480 Now, considering how much of today's paid advertising is paid for by large pharmaceutical firms,

00:17:04.720 you can understand why Robert F. Kennedy has come in for specific criticism.

00:17:09.800 But yesterday took the cake when Robert Kennedy, in the tradition of his uncle John F. Kennedy,

00:17:15.960 challenged Americans to get fitter today and begin exercising,

00:17:19.960 and he and the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth,

00:17:22.980 demonstrated by doing push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, and so on.

00:17:26.920 The New York Times actually had an editorial urging people not to exercise

00:17:31.340 because they said it might be dangerous.

00:17:34.520 You can't make this stuff up, folks.

00:17:36.160 Stay with us right here in the Stone Zone.

00:17:38.300 We'll be back with Dr. Kirk Moore and his chilling story.

00:17:42.760 They wanted to throw him in jail for 35 years for upholding his own medical ethics.

00:17:49.380 We'll be right back.

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00:18:00.160 Welcome back in the Stone Zone.

00:18:02.320 Joining me now is Dr. Kirk Moore.

00:18:05.060 Kirk Moore is a respected 59-year-old physician and former Navy flight surgeon from Utah.

00:18:11.080 he was facing up to 35 years in prison, not for harming his patients, but for honoring his oath

00:18:18.380 to do no harm. You see, with informed parental consent, Dr. Moore administered saline in the

00:18:25.980 place of COVID vaccinations to children and adults who were facing coercive mandates that

00:18:31.680 threatened their jobs, education, military service, and even life-threatening transplants. Dr. Moore

00:18:38.020 acted out of compassion and ethics, not criminal intent.

00:18:42.100 He treated patients for free during the COVID crisis.

00:18:45.500 He made house calls, and he stood by those whose medical autonomy was under attack.

00:18:50.160 Yet he was relentlessly prosecuted, jailed for 22 days, destroyed in the media,

00:18:56.860 and stripped of hospital privileges and board certification,

00:19:00.180 all because he put his medical ethics and his honor first,

00:19:05.320 always prioritizing informed consent and patient safety.

00:19:09.840 This federal case was riddled with jurisdictional flaws, suppressed evidence, and procedural violations.

00:19:16.200 Boy, does that sound familiar.

00:19:17.820 Anyway, Dr. Moore, welcome to the Stone Zone.

00:19:21.180 Well, Roger, thanks for having me.

00:19:22.840 I certainly didn't go through what you went through from the standpoint of, you know, at gunpoint and all that.

00:19:28.600 But, yeah, it was pretty hairy.

00:19:29.880 Well, I want to get into this because, and I want to give enormous credit to Attorney General Pam Bondi and the Trump Justice Department for dismissing all charges against you.

00:19:42.340 That happened on July 12th, 2025.

00:19:46.500 The Attorney General publicly recognized the unjust nature of this prosecution.

00:19:51.720 Also, credit to my friend, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene,

00:19:56.060 and Senator Mike Lay of Utah for their advocacy in helping secure this happy outcome.

00:20:03.620 This was more than just illegal when it was a stand for truth.

00:20:08.280 So let me ask you, you were prosecuted by the Biden regime.

00:20:11.800 You were facing up to 35 years because of your refusal to submit to COVID-19 protocols during the pandemic.

00:20:18.160 Can you explain the particulars of how this unfolded and indignities that you were forced to endure during this prior administration?

00:20:28.260 Well, you know, Roger, you know all about it.

00:20:30.480 The process is the punishment out of all this.

00:20:33.760 And they did everything they could to, you know, make an example out of me.

00:20:38.740 All I did was just do what was right and what I felt was right, what my patients, you know, asked for.

00:20:44.660 You know, all they were looking for is to have a choice.

00:20:47.120 And most people, almost everybody that we treated didn't have that choice.

00:20:52.460 You know, even my own judge in during one of our hearings said that, well, the worst they could do is lose their job.

00:21:01.660 Yeah. I mean, the callousness of that kind of a statement is is just, you know, it's just the way our system is kind of geared towards right now.

00:21:10.220 It's kind of like do what the government wants you to do or else you're done.

00:21:14.060 And you don't you know, you don't even you don't deserve to be alive.

00:21:17.000 You don't deserve to kind of contribute to society.

00:21:19.280 That's the way the attitude is these days.

00:21:21.420 It's kind of scary.

00:21:22.280 You know, the politicization of our judicial branch is something I never really imagined.

00:21:27.900 When I was falsely accused of covering up Russian collusion, which is, of course, an actual impossibility because one cannot cover up something that never actually happened.

00:21:38.640 So when they said you lied under oath, what would be my motive to lie?

00:21:41.800 What would I be covering up?

00:21:43.320 President Trump's involvement in exactly what?

00:21:46.380 Hakeem Jeffries, congressman from New York, now the minority leader in the House,

00:21:52.980 he actually says in a tweet that Donald Trump pardoned Roger Stone

00:21:57.440 and in return Stone maintained his silence about Trump's wrongdoing.

00:22:02.260 I say it yet again, congressman, waive your congressional immunity

00:22:05.280 and I'll sue you in a heartbeat because that's an egregious lie,

00:22:08.500 but you won't because you know you're lying.

00:22:12.240 And I actually was, I don't know, naive enough to thought when I was charged that, well, I'll get a fair trial.

00:22:19.080 I'll be able to prove that there is no Russian collusion.

00:22:21.740 There was no collaboration with WikiLeaks.

00:22:25.160 Little did I know the judge would never allow me to enter any evidence on my own behalf.

00:22:30.140 She wouldn't allow me to call the witnesses I wanted to call.

00:22:33.060 It was a Soviet-style show trial start to finish. 0.53

00:22:36.980 I have little doubt that had you proceeded to trial, this is exactly what would have happened to you.

00:22:43.040 Well, that's Roger. That's exactly what they did to me. You know, I was precluded from bringing

00:22:48.760 to evidence any patients that came to me for the vaccine and for the saline shots or, you know,

00:22:56.500 for the COVID cards. I couldn't bring anybody in and have them testify as to their own reasoning.

00:23:01.160 I couldn't bring anybody that was vaccine injured and I couldn't bring any experts in to talk about

00:23:06.500 all of the downsides of the vaccine and the shots that people were given.

00:23:10.720 So they were basically railroading me through.

00:23:13.920 They didn't want to talk about the COVID vaccine because they know all about the downsides of it.

00:23:19.120 But yet and they knew that they were going to lose if that was the case.

00:23:23.500 So they did everything that they could, just like they did for you in terms of limiting

00:23:28.300 our ability to even defend myself.

00:23:31.020 I mean, ultimately, they accused me of fraud and fraud requires intent.

00:23:35.740 And therefore, intent should allow me to tell the jury, hey, what was my intention? What was I trying to achieve? And the weeks before trial, they filed four more motions that basically were going to preclude me from even talking about my own intent.

00:23:52.020 um and it i mean the whole process again the process is the punishment they do this to you

00:23:59.740 know they have i mean they have unlimited budgets i'm totally broke um they bankrupt nearly

00:24:06.580 bankrupted me um ruined my business ruined my livelihood um and that's their goal you know

00:24:13.040 that's what they're trying to do they did it to mike flynn they did it to you they're doing it

00:24:16.520 anybody that they can that pushes back against their narrative. It's asinine. The lawfare is 0.99

00:24:23.820 unbelievable. That's how it works, by the way. They don't allow you to mount any reasonable

00:24:28.560 legal defense. In my case, for example, my whole case was based on the fact that the

00:24:33.760 Russian intelligence hacked the Democrat National Committee and that I lied about it. Well,

00:24:40.920 there never was any online hack of the Democrat National Committee by the Russians

00:24:45.860 or anyone else. I wanted to bring expert testimony and forensic evidence from Bill

00:24:53.780 Binney, who was the leading CIA counterintelligence IT expert who could have proved to a jury

00:25:02.400 of all Democrats that there was no hack of the DNC. When at my trial, the FBI was forced to admit

00:25:12.220 that they had never inspected the computer servers of the Democrat National Committee,

00:25:18.440 and therefore they were relying solely on the opinion of a third-party IT firm called

00:25:24.320 CrowdStrikes, the judge refused to give my defense attorneys the CrowdStrikes report.

00:25:32.520 Now, you're supposed to be able to see the evidence against you as a fundamental matter

00:25:39.060 of law. But now, of course, we know why. The head of CrowdStrikes testified before the House

00:25:44.920 Intelligence Committee under oath, as I did, and even he admitted there was no evidence whatsoever

00:25:50.940 in his possession or in the possession of the FBI that showed that the Democrat National

00:25:57.580 Committee had been the target of an online hack. In fact, the forensic evidence was just the

00:26:04.460 opposite. It showed that based on the download times of the material that was purloined,

00:26:11.720 that the material had been downloaded to a portable drive of some kind and most likely

00:26:16.580 taken out the back door. But my lawyers were not allowed to have that witness called. They

00:26:23.600 weren't allowed to introduce that evidence. So I've been exactly where you were, and I'm grateful

00:26:31.640 to the Attorney General and to the Department of Justice for stepping in before this went

00:26:37.260 horribly wrong. In general, how would you say you feel about the whole COVID-19 pandemic era?

00:26:44.680 Well, look, I think the whole COVID thing is just a fraud, the whole thing from beginning to end.

00:26:51.960 And, you know, I don't I don't believe there ever was a pandemic.

00:26:57.940 I think the actual disease and the COVID narrative was invented in order to launch the COVID vaccine.

00:27:07.640 And, you know, you can just look at everything. There were no excess deaths in 2020.

00:27:13.680 Excess deaths didn't start until the vaccine was deployed in January of 2021.

00:27:17.760 There were 700 deaths that were reported to VAERS by the end of January.

00:27:24.080 There were 1,700 deaths reported to VAERS by the end of March.

00:27:28.680 And now there's 40,000 deaths that have been reported to VAERS, you know, since the COVID vaccine was launched.

00:27:37.760 40,000 vaccines.

00:27:39.000 I mean, they took the swine flu vaccine off in 1975-76 with reported 25, some people say 25, some people say 50, but regardless, you know, double-digit deaths, and we have 40,000 people that have reported they died that have been screened and approved and documented on the VAERS database.

00:28:04.440 We have a study that was done in 2010, I believe, a Harvard study that said that those numbers only show anywhere from one to 10 percent.

00:28:12.420 So 40,000 deaths, that means that, you know, it's either 400,000 to 4 million deaths have been caused by the vaccine.

00:28:22.080 And it's just what's going on right now is absolutely it's truly it's it's truly scary.

00:28:30.860 and what they're doing to physicians

00:28:33.480 and what they're doing to the population right now

00:28:36.820 is a mass genocide, is a democide, is my opinion.

00:28:42.240 I completely agree with you. 0.95

00:28:44.380 Two things that interest me.

00:28:46.260 It's hard for me to understand how Dr. Anthony Fauci

00:28:49.180 and his wife, who's also a high-level health official

00:28:52.680 in our government, were allowed to directly profit

00:28:55.860 from the very vaccinations that they were trying to mandate.

00:28:59.600 I mean, that should be that should be illegal.

00:29:03.620 The Bidol Act allows them to do that.

00:29:06.060 You know, something else that I found out about this, Roger, is pediatricians directly profit from the number of vaccines that they give into their clinic and they get bonuses based upon the percentage of their clinic that is vaccinated.

00:29:18.920 Oncologists make money from the from the from the actual the the actual chemotherapy that they prescribe.

00:29:27.820 They are directly reimbursed by the pharmaceutical companies based upon the, you know, the protocol that they put their patients on.

00:29:37.120 You know, we're not as physicians, we're not even allowed to own a surgical center because they're worried about us self-referring to people.

00:29:45.580 How do pediatricians get paid?

00:29:47.440 I mean, it's not just pediatricians, anybody who takes care of kids.

00:29:50.240 So family practice docs, internists, you know, general practice physicians, pediatricians, anybody who does vaccines, OBGYNs, you know, they get paid a, you know, a bonus based upon the number of people that they vaccinate.

00:30:05.200 How is that allowed?

00:30:07.580 Final question for you about the two minutes we have left.

00:30:11.300 There's a surprising spike in cancers among people in their 20s and 30s.

00:30:16.500 We had an excellent guest, Michael Caputo, the former assistant secretary of HHS, the other day commenting on that.

00:30:22.960 Your thoughts on that?

00:30:24.520 Oh, the number of cancer patients.

00:30:27.380 I mean, I talked to a guy the other day who said he saw a seven-year-old boy with metastatic pancreatic cancer.

00:30:36.240 I have a client, a friend of mine, who's actually a plastic surgeon here locally who sees breast cancer patients.

00:30:44.660 and she sees on a regular basis women in their 20s with breast cancer,

00:30:50.360 with advanced breast cancer that she's taking and doing reconstructions on.

00:30:54.160 She used to see one or two of those a year, and now she's seeing two or three a week.

00:30:59.140 The numbers are astronomically high.

00:31:03.420 I just watched a podcast with Dr. Chris Shoemaker who said that if kids age 10 to 14,

00:31:10.560 this was National Health Service in England,

00:31:14.660 England and Scotland and Wales, that the increase in death in kids aged 10 to 14

00:31:21.440 was 82 times higher with kids that had had three COVID shots.

00:31:27.920 So 10-year-old to 10 to 14-year-old kids that get three COVID shots

00:31:31.960 are dying at a rate that's 82 times higher than kids that don't get vaccinated at all.

00:31:37.720 So with the numbers of there, and we have to figure out how to stop this,

00:31:42.600 And that's my goal now. I'm a free man. I can speak freely. But my goal is to get these COVID shots off the market and figure out how to try to stop killing humanity.

00:31:55.600 All right. Well, it has been our great honor to have you today in the Stone Zone. I thank you. And we are celebrating your freedom, my friend. God bless you, Dr. Kirk Moore.

00:32:04.160 Folks, don't go away. We'll be right back with our final segment here in the Stone Zone.

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00:32:19.580 no issue better demonstrates the yawning gulf between the will of the people and the paralysis

00:32:25.880 of their government when then the policy towards cannabis also known as marijuana overwhelming

00:32:32.560 majorities of americans believe cannabis should be legal in some form i've held this position

00:32:38.680 for 30 years because when my own father was dying of cancer, he was not only in horrific pain,

00:32:44.660 but he completely lost his appetite. A man who once weighed about 230 pounds was down to about

00:32:52.300 125 pounds. That's when my sisters and I decided to get him some illegal marijuana, which both

00:32:59.160 eased his pain and restored his appetite, making his dying days far more comfortable.

00:33:05.160 After all, alcohol is legal, far more damaging than marijuana, yet we legalize it, we regulate it, and we tax it.

00:33:15.500 At the federal level, Washington has dithered, stumbled, and flat-out failed with one possible exception.

00:33:21.880 That would be Donald J. Trump.

00:33:24.160 Since 2016, Donald Trump has taken the position that marijuana policy is a state's rights issue.

00:33:31.120 The federal government's dereliction that has forced states to go it alone is something to behold.

00:33:36.940 Some have bravely enacted medical or adult use cannabis laws seeking to serve their citizens while Washington will not.

00:33:44.680 Now, it doesn't mean you should be able to smoke it or consume it in public places.

00:33:49.160 After all, you cannot have an open container of alcohol.

00:33:52.660 And I dislike the fact that everywhere I go in Manhattan seems to, well, smell like pot.

00:33:57.800 There should be regulations on it, but that doesn't mean that it should not be legal.

00:34:02.860 The state reforms collide head-on, of course, with federal policy, leaving consumers, patients, and businesses in some kind of a legal limbo.

00:34:11.720 Imagine driving across state lines and discovering what you bought at a dispensary in one state, even at a 7-Eleven in some places, could earn you a felony charge in the next jurisdiction.

00:34:22.260 That's not liberty, that's not fairness, and it's certainly not certainty.

00:34:26.380 When Trump signed the 2018 Farm Bill, he unleashed the hemp economy, creating jobs, investment, and innovation nationwide.

00:34:35.240 Trump's actions didn't just accept access to benign hemp products, it jump-started an entire industry.

00:34:42.280 Hundreds of thousands of jobs and billions in investment now hang in the balance.

00:34:46.640 Yet the industry remains shellacked by uncertainty because Washington refuses to reconcile federal law with reality.

00:34:53.900 So now the question looms.

00:34:56.380 What will President Trump do next?

00:34:58.900 The chattering class insists that this is an either-or debate.

00:35:02.840 Either Trump reschedules cannabis, moving it from a Schedule I drug of the Controlled Substances Act, where it's classified with heroin, absurdly, to a lower schedule, like, for example, Schedule III,

00:35:17.460 or, this is what I would favor, he deschedules it entirely, removing cannabis from a Controlled Substances Act altogether

00:35:25.460 and letting the states decide how to regulate it.

00:35:29.280 That framing is false, unfortunately.

00:35:31.460 This is not an either-or debate.

00:35:33.660 This is about progress, about, well, what must be done next.

00:35:37.840 Rescheduling cannabis is not the endgame, but it is, in my opinion, a critical next step.

00:35:43.060 The move would do more than signal a new direction.

00:35:46.100 and it would unlock immediate, measurable relief for patients, entrepreneurs, and state programs.

00:35:52.060 See, by moving cannabis to Schedule 3, businesses would finally escape the crushing burden of the IRS Code 280E,

00:36:00.440 which currently denies them ordinary tax deductions.

00:36:04.160 That single change would level the playing field, allowing dispensaries and businesses and cultivators

00:36:10.040 to be taxed like normal businesses rather than penalized like criminals.

00:36:15.000 Rescheduling would also open the door to banking.

00:36:17.280 Today, cannabis companies are forced to operate largely in cash because banks fear federal money laundering penalties.

00:36:24.100 Schedule 3 would not only solve every obstacle, but it would reduce the risk profile enough that many regional banks and credit unions could finally provide accounts, loans, and payments processing to those who are legally in the business.

00:36:37.540 With that one action, Trump could dramatically reduce the public safety risks of cash-heavy businesses, increase tax compliance, and unlock billions in private investment.

00:36:47.360 And then lastly, there's research.

00:36:49.060 You see, research would now flourish.

00:36:51.100 Universities and pharmaceutical firms could study cannabis without jumping through near-impossible DEA hoops.

00:36:58.420 Evidence would accumulate quickly, proving what I already know and what millions of Americans already know.

00:37:03.580 Both hemp is safe and useful, CBD is benign and medically valuable, and THC deserves further study as both medicinal and a regulated product.

00:37:16.740 I'm Roger Stone, you're listening to The Stone Zone.

00:37:19.140 This is my opinion and my opinion only, but we appreciate your tuning in today.

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