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00:00:30.000 this is the stone zone with roger stone they went after a guy named roger stone who's sitting

00:00:45.760 in the office and i'll say this in front of roger he's no baby and right now he's cleaner than

00:00:50.480 anybody in this place now they treated him very unfairly now get in the zone it's the stone zone

00:00:58.700 Here's Roger Stone.

00:01:02.360 You are now entering the Stone Zone.

00:01:07.280 We begin today's show on a sad note.

00:01:11.320 Boone Cutler, combat veteran, warrior, patriot, and most importantly, veterans advocate,

00:01:18.260 someone who spoke and advocated for those veterans suffering from PTSD, suicide,

00:01:25.480 and, of course, dealing with the suicide crisis among veterans has sadly passed away this morning.

00:01:32.940 He was in the Stone Zone a number of times, author, columnist, music video director,

00:01:39.500 but most importantly, a patriot and true friend.

00:01:43.460 It is with great sadness that I note the passing of my good friend, Boone Cutler.

00:01:48.600 May he rest in peace.

00:01:50.080 But in the news, Bloomberg News has smeared the Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Besson, with a baseless story that tries to equate the mortgages he holds on two homes with the mortgage fraud that I believe both New York Attorney General Letitia James and Federal Reserve Board member Dr. Lisa Crook, I mean, Cook, engaged in.

00:02:20.080 Treasury Secretary Scott Besson's 2007 mortgages for homes in upstate New York and Massachusetts were issued under a customized private banking facility that identified the properties as secondary residents and did not price the loans on owner occupancy, according to documents that I myself have now reviewed.

00:02:41.560 The materials that I saw completely undercut comparisons to the Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook's mortgage controversy that were highlighted in a report by Bloomberg News.

00:02:54.260 The documents describe a $21 million financing package arranged by Bank of America for Besant when he was a hedge fund manager.

00:03:03.140 In a letter, a Bank of America managing director said the lender, quote, understood and agreed that the Bedford, New York and Providence Town, Massachusetts properties were secondary residences, noting the bank, and were well aware that his primary residence was in New York City, according to mortgage documents that I myself have now reviewed.

00:03:27.120 An attorney who executed the mortgages on Secretary Besant's behalf wrote that the bank was, quote,

00:03:33.880 fully aware that the Provincetown, Massachusetts property was not a principal residence and waived any requirement that it be used as a principal resident,

00:03:43.560 adding that there was absolutely nothing improper about Mr. Besant's loan applications with which he was minimally involved as he had delegated the authority to his attorney.

00:03:53.900 The allegations in this fake news report by Bloomberg are entirely inaccurate.

00:04:00.640 This is a pathetic attempt to portray misrepresentations where there are none.

00:04:05.320 The White House put out a statement saying they had full faith and confidence in Secretary Besson almost immediately after the Bloomberg report.

00:04:13.980 The loans were retained on Bank of America's books rather than sold to investors or to government-sponsored enterprises, according to information from the bank.

00:04:23.000 The bank also said that the interest rate does not vary based on utilization as a primary versus secondary residence, a feature that can remove a typical incentive to misstate occupancy on conventional mortgages, exactly what Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, has been caught doing regarding a property in Virginia.

00:04:45.700 Nearly 20 years ago, Mr. Besson's lawyers filled out all the property paperwork properly,

00:04:52.160 and the bank has confirmed that it was done properly.

00:04:54.640 And this nonsensical Bloomberg article reaches the conclusion that it was all done properly.

00:05:01.200 Alex Spiro, who was Scott Besson's personal attorney, said in a statement to the Hale,

00:05:06.980 Attestations of owner occupancy and principal residency are standard in these kind of mortgage filings.

00:05:12.700 They can be waived for second homes by letter agreement between the bank and the homeowner.

00:05:18.160 Application materials list Besson's primary residence as one Sutton Place South, which is a matter of public record consistent with the bank's letter,

00:05:26.600 while credit facility documents refer to his place in Bedford Hills, New York, and his place in Provincetown, Massachusetts as, quote, secondary residences, according to documents that I myself have reviewed.

00:05:38.740 In the public mortgage documents filed in connection with Besson's properties, the documents contain this has to station that the borough will occupy the property as its principal residence within 60 days and continue to use it as its principal residence for one year.

00:05:54.180 That same clause, however, makes it clear that this requirement can be waived with a letter of agreement with the letter, which is exactly what happened in the case of the Bank of America loans.

00:06:04.180 quote, I will not have to occupy the property and use the property as my principal residence

00:06:09.560 within the time set forth if the lender agrees in writing that I do not have to do so.

00:06:15.580 The mortgage documents clearly delineate.

00:06:18.840 So Bloomberg had cited public filings to suggest that there were similarities

00:06:23.540 between Besant's mortgages and those of Federal Reserve Board Governor Lisa Cook,

00:06:30.140 whose 2021 loan documents for different properties reflected primary residence attestations.

00:06:37.560 President Donald Trump said he was removing Cook from the Federal Reserve Board last week,

00:06:41.900 two weeks ago, citing what he called potentially criminal conduct.

00:06:46.420 Dr. Cook has denied wrongdoing, is contesting her removal in court,

00:06:50.860 but her lawsuit in the District of Columbia was referred by the D.C. Clerk of Courts,

00:06:57.240 Angela Cesar, to a judge, Gia Cobb, a federal judge, who is a member of the same black women's

00:07:06.660 college sorority as Dr. Cook, which I think is a shocking, stunning conflict of interest.

00:07:15.420 Strangely, the Department of Justice did not contest and ask that the judge recuse herself.

00:07:22.600 Now, why should you care? Here's why you should care. Because based on the inflation rate and the current unemployment rate, it is time for a deep cut in interest rates on the American people.

00:07:35.540 That would affect the interest rate that you pay when you pay off your credit cards, when you borrow money for personal or business reasons, when you seek to buy a car or, say, buy a home.

00:07:46.760 Yet the Federal Reserve this past week grudgingly voted to cut interest rates but a quarter of a point.

00:07:55.600 And Dr. Cook was allowed to vote despite the fact that President Trump had terminated her for cause.

00:08:03.180 I would note that at least three previous Federal Reserve Board governors had resigned from the Federal Reserve when they were simply under investigation.

00:08:15.100 Dr. Cook is clearly under investigation, but she has refused to resign.

00:08:21.560 More recently, the U.S. District Federal District Court of Appeals upheld that ruling by Judge Gia Cobb.

00:08:30.960 But then that's not surprising.

00:08:32.740 This is the same appeals court that upheld the unconstitutional gag put on me by a federal judge when I stood trial in the Soviet-style show trial in connection with the Russian collusion hoax.

00:08:47.220 I sadly must conclude that in the District of Columbia, no Republican, no conservative, no independent, no free thinker, no libertarian, and most certainly no Trump supporter will ever get a fair trial, nor can you expect actual justice from any of the judges or juries that are seated in the District of Columbia.

00:09:11.380 And that is a fact.

00:09:13.380 This smear of Scott Besson has now been completely and totally disproved.

00:09:18.680 I myself have examined all of the documents.

00:09:21.920 There's a terrific piece about it up at Breitbart.news if you're interested in more information.

00:09:27.940 This is an ongoing question as this past week you have seen Reuters distort the facts regarding New York Attorney General Letitia James,

00:09:38.240 claiming that a worksheet, rather than the actual final mortgage documents,

00:09:43.960 including a power of attorney that the Attorney General signed in multiple places

00:09:49.940 and witnessed by an attorney in the Attorney General's office,

00:09:53.720 did not constitute mortgage fraud, when in fact, it did.

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00:10:20.480 Folks, I'm going to be honest with you,

00:10:21.840 I'm still reeling over the brutal political assassination

00:10:26.000 of my friend Charlie Kirk.

00:10:28.060 I do now feel free to say that Charlie reached out to me after I was arrested in the Russian collusion hoax.

00:10:36.540 I didn't know him previously, but he reached out to me.

00:10:40.500 He saw immediately that I was being persecuted, largely because I refused to bear false witness against Donald Trump,

00:10:48.360 and that the investigators in the Russian collusion hoax

00:10:53.480 had spent $30 million and come up completely and totally empty-handed

00:10:57.520 of any proof of Russian interference in the U.S. election,

00:11:01.600 and therefore they had decided to fabricate it,

00:11:04.660 and they wanted me to be their stooge.

00:11:08.360 I, of course, refused to do that.

00:11:10.400 Charlie became a very effective public and, most importantly,

00:11:14.020 private advocacy for clemency for me.

00:11:17.100 Indeed, he was an advocate for the full and unconditional pardon under which I'm able to be with you today.

00:11:23.940 So we became very good friends.

00:11:26.520 And yes, we did talk about his political aspirations.

00:11:30.980 Charlie was thinking seriously about running for the governorship of Arizona at some point.

00:11:36.700 And yes, he had presidential aspirations.

00:11:39.940 I consider that to be extraordinarily noble.

00:11:42.900 Frankly, I think that he had the faith, the courage, the discipline, the principles, and the drive to be a great presidential candidate, if not a great presidential candidate.

00:11:57.260 So the loss here is greater than just the loss of a leader of the conservative movement.

00:12:03.820 Charlie Kirk, I think, gave hope and inspired an entire generation.

00:12:09.500 It's interesting to me that his organization, Turning Point USA, has now had more than 58,000 inquiries, an overwhelming number from high school students about starting chapters of the organization.

00:12:23.060 To me, this is a very good sign because it means that those to whom Marxism is being very aggressively pushed from the public school system are waking up as to the beauties of the U.S. Constitution, free speech, free enterprise, capitalism, and yes, reverence to God.

00:12:44.620 Meanwhile, Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk, has been named as the new board chair and CEO of Turning Point USA.

00:12:53.080 This comes after Erica Kirk's rousing address to the country where she vowed that her husband's vision would live on.

00:12:59.880 In that address, Erica Kirk said they killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith, and of God's merciful love.

00:13:08.980 They should all know this.

00:13:10.140 If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea.

00:13:15.960 You have no idea what you have just unleashed across this entire country and across the world.

00:13:21.360 You have no idea.

00:13:22.520 You have no idea the fire that you have ignited within this wife, the cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry.

00:13:31.060 This is one of the most inspiring speeches I have ever seen.

00:13:34.180 In my opinion, there is no better choice to lead Turning Point USA than Erica Kirk.

00:13:39.880 She was emboldened to double down on the fight to save America.

00:13:43.900 She's on fire for liberty and stands as an example of a strong, empowered woman who loves her God, the family, and her country.

00:13:52.800 They were unfortunately successful in striking down my friend Charlie.

00:13:56.160 I'm still not over it. I'll probably never be over it.

00:13:58.700 But they will live to rue their decision because of the work of his wife, and she will achieve honors in his great legacy.

00:14:07.220 Meanwhile, ABC has made a decision.

00:14:10.460 The infamous left-wing Trump hater, Jimmy Kimmel,

00:14:13.340 who I never frankly thought was all that funny,

00:14:16.300 has been removed by ABC from the network's airwaves

00:14:19.160 after he made extraordinarily distasteful comments

00:14:22.040 about Charlie Kirk following his assassination.

00:14:25.200 On his show, Kimmel said,

00:14:27.720 we hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang

00:14:30.480 desperately trying to characterize this kid

00:14:32.920 who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them.

00:14:36.400 and doing everything they can to score political points from it.

00:14:39.340 There is no evidence whatsoever that the man who stands accused of killing Charlie Kirk,

00:14:46.720 a man named Tyler Robinson, was in any way part of the MAGA movement,

00:14:52.440 was a disgruntled conservative Republican or Trump supporter.

00:14:56.960 And that is if he is even, in fact, the killer, something we don't definitively know yet.

00:15:03.060 Having written a book about the Kennedy assassination, which became a New York Times bestseller, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, which I made a case that there was indeed a plot that involved the vice president, the man who had the most to gain, Lyndon Baines Johnson, the CIA, organized crime, Big Texas Oil, and certain other financial institutions to murder John F. Kennedy in the streets of Dallas.

00:15:33.060 I also recently completed a book that will publish before the end of the year about the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan, because the government has never issued a full or conclusive report on that near miss, that near assassination, having examined very closely the assassinations of New York Senator Robert F. Kennedy.

00:15:57.060 the night of his greatest political triumph

00:15:59.520 when he won the California primary in 1968

00:16:02.380 and examining the brutal murder of Dr. Martin Luther King,

00:16:08.420 I can say definitively that I have no intention

00:16:12.660 of believing what the government tells me

00:16:14.640 without examining the facts myself.

00:16:17.420 So we still don't know who killed Charlie Kirk.

00:16:21.760 To me, there are a lot of anomalies and irregularities

00:16:24.920 in what we are being told.

00:16:27.060 This is probably a subject for an entire show.

00:16:32.160 I do ask you to stay with us, though, because we're going to interview Cliff Maloney.

00:16:36.800 Cliff Maloney is the founder of the Pennsylvania Chase.

00:16:40.500 If I had to name two or three people who were really beyond Donald Trump himself and his running mate, J.D. Vance,

00:16:48.140 responsible for the greatest political comeback in American history, well, Cliff Maloney would be one of those.

00:16:55.040 He is a master of the old-fashioned art of shoe leather politics.

00:16:59.980 They call him the godfather of door knocking.

00:17:03.220 And he targeted Pennsylvania from the beginning.

00:17:06.540 He stuck with it through thick and through thin.

00:17:08.960 This is not a luxurious assignment, I assure you, sleeping in lousy motels, eating terrible fast food, but constantly grinding,

00:17:18.780 registering new voters, locating voters, turning voters out, collecting mail-in ballots to be

00:17:26.440 mailed in concurrent with law. He did an amazing job. He's a political hero, and we're going to

00:17:33.140 have him right here in the Stone Zone when we return. So whoever you do, stick with us

00:17:37.600 for our great interview with Bill Malone.

00:17:48.780 the stone zone entertaining and informative on the red apple podcast network

00:17:59.320 and we're back in the stone zone joining me now is cliff maloney cliff maloney hails from

00:18:06.700 philadelphia pennsylvania he is the chief executive officer of the citizens alliance

00:18:12.020 but he's also more importantly i think founder of the pennsylvania chase at 34 years old

00:18:18.460 Cliff Maloney's door-knocking deployments have knocked on over 8 million doors

00:18:22.720 and delivered victories in 418 elections across the country.

00:18:28.340 Many have referred to Cliff Maloney as the godfather of shoe-leather politics and door-knocking.

00:18:33.780 He hired 124 full-time door-knockers knocking on 510,000 doors,

00:18:41.140 And he increased Donald Trump's share of the Pennsylvania mail-in vote from 20% to 34.5%.

00:18:49.480 Something Cliff told me from the beginning he would achieve.

00:18:52.900 Every time I would reach out to him by text or by phone, I would say,

00:18:56.180 Brother, how you doing?

00:18:57.080 And he would say, I'm grinding, man.

00:18:58.600 I'm grinding.

00:18:59.380 And grind he did, hitting the numbers that he predicted a full year in advance.

00:19:04.560 Cliff Maloney, I know you, like me, are reeling over the brutal political assassination of our mutual friend, Charlie Kirk.

00:19:12.280 But still, I welcome you into the Stone Zone.

00:19:16.260 Roger, always an honor to be with you as a mentor, a friend.

00:19:19.280 You're right.

00:19:19.700 A year ago, you gave me a platform.

00:19:22.200 I told you that we had to hit 33 percent in Pennsylvania for Donald Trump.

00:19:26.360 You believed in me.

00:19:27.420 Not a lot of people did.

00:19:28.640 We pulled it off.

00:19:29.800 Appreciate you.

00:19:30.660 Thanks for having me tonight.

00:19:31.540 Yeah, I mean, if I had to name three individuals beyond, of course, Donald Trump and J.D. Vance, responsible for the greatest comeback in American political history, something that on paper should have been impossible, something that some in our own party said was impossible and wasn't going to happen, that, frankly, would be Charlie Kirk, Scott Pressler, and you, Cliff Maloney.

00:19:58.920 And when you began the Pennsylvania effort, some of the old bulls in the party scoffed at the idea that you could increase Trump's share of the mail-in vote, which is notoriously Democrat-manipulated, from 20 percent to 33 percent.

00:20:15.120 You got it to 34.5 percent.

00:20:17.940 Many people consider that a miracle.

00:20:19.500 Yeah, and you're right, Roger.

00:20:20.820 You know, it was all the old guard, the Karl Rove-esque, the John McCain establishment Republicans who told me to sit down, shut up, and you were the opposite.

00:20:32.300 You handed me a microphone.

00:20:33.460 You said, young man, speak out.

00:20:35.460 And I want you to know, Roger, how much I appreciate that.

00:20:39.040 Well, you are the future of the party.

00:20:41.280 Don't ever tell people what they can't do, particularly young conservatives.

00:20:46.160 But we have suffered a serious blow in the loss of Charlie Kirk

00:20:50.900 I didn't know Charlie Kirk, as I said earlier in the show

00:20:54.680 After the FBI raided my home

00:20:57.340 He could see through it, as many Americans could

00:21:00.560 The fact that CNN just happened to be there

00:21:02.840 Totally coincidentally, Cliff, of course

00:21:04.740 He knew immediately that I was being set up in a fraud

00:21:10.360 That they really, it wasn't that I'd done anything wrong

00:21:13.180 But they had run out of scenarios, run out of narrative.

00:21:18.420 They had to create Russian collusion where none existed.

00:21:22.620 They would have let me walk.

00:21:24.080 They told me repeatedly that they would recommend that I serve no jail time, that I just walk away if I would just agree to testify falsely against President Donald Trump, which, of course, I refused to do.

00:21:34.800 Charlie recognized this vice grip that they had me in, and he became both a public and a private advocate, probably more effective even privately than he was publicly.

00:21:46.580 I mean, he said it on his show.

00:21:48.560 He said it in his tweets.

00:21:50.240 He said it publicly.

00:21:51.240 But I know that he argued with the president and some of his advisers that I be given full clemency, that the charges against me would ultimately prove to be fraudulent, which, of course, they were.

00:22:03.360 Anybody who's looked at the fully unredacted final Robert Mueller's report, special counsel's report, which they hid from the American people for three years, finally took a federal judge to order them to release it, you can see that they found no evidence of Russian collusion, WikiLeaks collaboration, or any other crime on my part.

00:22:27.340 Let's focus on the future because politics is always about the future.

00:22:31.400 You have a theory, which I totally subscribe to, that if we can lock in Pennsylvania, if we can ensure that it is a red state going forward, it becomes virtually impossible for the Marxist Democrats to retake the White House. 0.54

00:22:47.820 So, Cliff, what's the plan? 0.59

00:22:51.020 Yeah, you know, listen, I say that Pennsylvania is the red wall, right?

00:22:54.240 The math becomes extremely difficult for Democrats to win nationally ever again.

00:22:59.580 And if we make Pennsylvania the new Ohio, right, the next Florida, if you will, there's really a minimal path that they have.

00:23:07.660 So, Roger, what I've committed to is, listen, we did this effort in 2024 with the Pennsylvania Chase.

00:23:13.320 We cannot sit out a year.

00:23:15.000 Here are the two options we have, okay?

00:23:16.620 And Josh Shapiro is praying that we take the first option.

00:23:20.060 The first option is you sit out the odd years, you hang out, you let them incrementally claw back on all the gains that we made in 2024.

00:23:29.580 That's option one. Option two is you say, listen, we're going to do this thing every year. We're going to match the Democrats' playbook. We're going to run a ground game. We're going to chase ballots. We're going to knock doors every year.

00:23:41.000 So here's my pitch, and here's my plan for all the Stone Zone listeners. In 2025, this year, we're going to knock 500,000 doors again. We launched August 4th. We'll be there through November 4th for the general election.

00:23:53.500 Next year in the midterms, we're going to do 750,000 doors.

00:23:58.760 2027, another 500,000 doors in the off year.

00:24:02.240 In 2028, whether it's J.D. Vance or whoever the nominee is, I'm a big fan of J.D., we're going to pledge to knock a million doors.

00:24:09.800 This is the Democrat playbook.

00:24:11.860 I don't give credit for creating it, Roger.

00:24:13.980 You were the one that told me this.

00:24:15.580 You know, political technology is politically neutral.

00:24:18.920 It's ideologically neutral.

00:24:20.620 It doesn't matter.

00:24:21.400 If it works, you have to do it.

00:24:23.500 So in Pennsylvania, we have 50 days, 50 days of voting.

00:24:27.960 And so the antidote, the remedy to that is to go out to every Republican that is unlikely to vote on Election Day and say, hey, Mr. Bob Smith, here is a request form.

00:24:40.480 We'll get a ballot sent to your door.

00:24:42.340 And then once ballots go out, what do we do, Roger?

00:24:44.320 We go to every Republican that has a ballot, and we say, you have to send this back.

00:24:49.980 And let me tell you the results.

00:24:51.300 In 2020, there were 141,000 Republicans that requested a mail-in ballot and never sent it back.

00:24:59.920 In 2024, when we actually did the chase program, we went and talked to these people that had a ballot.

00:25:05.280 We got that number down to 60,000.

00:25:08.660 That's how Donald Trump won Pennsylvania.

00:25:10.920 That's how we're going to continue to build the red wall.

00:25:13.520 And that's what this is about, permanent infrastructure.

00:25:16.180 Beat the Democrats at their own game.

00:25:18.120 And the Stone Zone has my word that I will go out and raise the money, I will hire the individuals, I will deploy the door-knocking team, and we will knock the doors needed to make PA the red wall.

00:25:31.500 Folks, if you're just tuning in, you're in the Stone Zone.

00:25:34.420 We're talking to Cliff Maloney.

00:25:35.920 He is the founder of the Pennsylvania Chase.

00:25:38.660 He also serves as the chief executive officer of Citizens Alliance.

00:25:42.820 And he is the architect of the Keystone State victory of Donald Trump.

00:25:48.120 He set out to do it, well, more than a year in advance.

00:25:51.300 He told me what he would do.

00:25:53.000 And he is one of the most dynamic young leaders in the Republican Party today.

00:25:58.820 What do you say, Cliff, to those voters who love Donald Trump, voted for Donald Trump,

00:26:05.940 but may not be that in love with the Republican Party?

00:26:08.700 What do you say to them?

00:26:09.400 Well, I say, listen, you know, I'm a liberty lover first before I'm a party member.

00:26:13.860 And my advice to anybody who's just getting into the fight,

00:26:16.340 whether it's because of this horrific tragedy with Charlie, whether it's because you realize

00:26:20.760 the good versus the bad. Unfortunately, I hate to say it like this, but it's representative

00:26:27.540 of Republican versus Democrat. Do not get in the battle to build a party. There's a lot of

00:26:33.120 great friends of ours, Roger, who are in the battle. They're in the party. I'm not saying

00:26:36.860 that the party is bad, but find a candidate like a Donald Trump. Find a candidate that you really

00:26:43.760 support. That to me is the effort. Don't get caught up. If you're in a meeting and you're an

00:26:48.700 activist and you find yourself spending a majority of your time arguing about bylaws, arguing about

00:26:55.140 different motions and who makes a second, go out and talk to the voters. That is the real battle.

00:27:02.860 That is the opportunity we have. The American people are with us. If the gut reaction of voters

00:27:08.360 was to stand with illegal immigrants over Americans or to stand with men who think they

00:27:13.540 girls over the real girls who are out there trying to be in their own places to play sports. 0.93

00:27:19.020 I'd give up this fight. But the reason I've doubled that, and you taught me this, Roger, 0.92

00:27:23.500 is that the American people are with us. And so my advice is find a candidate you align with,

00:27:29.360 find an issue you want to fight for, spend your time focusing on that. That's how we make liberty

00:27:35.600 win. That's how we save the republic. I think you made a very good point there. I'm not sure

00:27:40.220 Everybody caught it, but I'm going to come back and hit it.

00:27:42.260 And that is Cliff Maloney had to go out and raise all the money for this shoe leather war to win Pennsylvania.

00:27:48.680 We don't have a George Soros standing in the background writing billion dollar checks to Cliff Maloney or to Turning Point USA or any other grassroots organization.

00:28:00.260 We have to go out and raise that money.

00:28:02.200 So, Cliff, if people want to support your work right now and they realize that this doesn't just go on just in the presidential campaign years, but it's a year in, year out, every year effort to not lose the valuable ground that you made in terms of voter registration and in terms of building the infrastructure to locate, identify and turn out votes.

00:28:23.940 Where can people go?

00:28:26.240 Yeah, pachase.com.

00:28:28.440 P-A, short for Pennsylvania, pachase.com.

00:28:31.960 I mean, Roger, here's the best thing I say to everybody out there in the stone zone.

00:28:36.040 100% of the money that people donate, there's no grift, there's no percentage cut, there's no commissions.

00:28:42.980 $175 covers an entire day.

00:28:45.640 For me to put a ballot chaser on the ground, it goes towards their pay, their housing, their food, their gas cards.

00:28:53.040 $175 is a full-day sponsorship at PHAs.com.

00:28:57.740 And that's what I ask people to do.

00:28:58.960 Listen, fundraising is the worst part of my gig.

00:29:01.380 You know, a year and a half ago, Roger, when we first talked on your show, it would have been easy for me to say, hey, listen, the party, the establishment, they don't want to fund us.

00:29:11.400 They got their own consultants.

00:29:12.660 They got their own grifters.

00:29:14.160 I'm just going to go home.

00:29:15.740 But instead, I spent 300 days on the road in 2024 meeting with patriots.

00:29:21.500 They don't have any special interests.

00:29:23.360 They're not looking for favors.

00:29:24.580 They just want to save the republic.

00:29:26.640 They want to save the country.

00:29:28.460 And so that's my argument to everybody.

00:29:30.100 $175 a day, PHAs.com, you can sponsor an actual person on the ground talking to voters.

00:29:39.660 That's how we win.

00:29:41.000 As Charlie would say, it's one of my favorite quotes, do the work.

00:29:45.240 And my big message to everybody right now is for Charlie.

00:29:49.340 Do it for Charlie.

00:29:50.940 That's what we're up against.

00:29:52.420 Yeah, this is a very key point I want to come back and hit.

00:29:54.800 And that is, trust me, Cliff Maloney does not have cushy offices.

00:29:58.440 He doesn't have a massive salary, doesn't have a huge expense account.

00:30:02.860 There are not high paid consultants and grifters.

00:30:06.140 This is a hand to mouth grassroots operation where the money you give goes right to the main task, goes right to voter registration, voter identification, voter turnout.

00:30:18.120 I frankly, in the 50 years I've been in American politics, I haven't seen anything this impressive.

00:30:24.160 Cliff told me he was going to build it 18 months before the election, and by election day, he had surpassed what the old bulls in the party ever thought was possible.

00:30:33.620 In fact, they laughed at him.

00:30:35.060 They thought that this was a fool's errand, but he delivered thanks to the literally hundreds of thousands of donors who stepped up to the plate and went to pachase.com, pachase.com.

00:30:48.680 We've got about a minute left here before we come back to a little more.

00:30:52.320 I want to talk about the New Jersey governor's race when we return.

00:30:56.540 As you know, New Jersey, Virginia, the only two states who have their gubernatorial race in the off years.

00:31:02.980 It is interesting to me that Donald Trump ran extraordinarily strong in the Garden State, despite the fact that it was not a targeted state.

00:31:11.580 It was not a place where the Trump campaign could afford to make massive expenditures.

00:31:16.820 It's an incredibly expensive state to campaign in because, of course, it has both the New York and the Philadelphia television markets, the New York market covering the northern part of the state, the Pennsylvania market covering the southern part of the state.

00:31:33.700 It's not a cheap place to campaign.

00:31:36.660 Donald Trump ran extremely strongly in the state,

00:31:39.820 considering all the efforts in the state were largely grassroots,

00:31:43.680 things put together by patriots like Mike Crispy and others.

00:31:47.520 I want to get to Cliff's take on the upcoming gubernatorial election.

00:31:51.580 I also want to talk to him a little bit about his personal remembrance of Charlie Kirk,

00:31:57.060 the founder of Turning Point.

00:31:58.340 He was a great friend of mine.

00:32:00.020 He's a great friend of Cliff's.

00:32:01.700 He provides inspiration for us, even in death.

00:32:06.520 So we're going to cover all that when we come back.

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00:32:27.620 And we're back in The Stone Zone.

00:32:29.900 I'm still joined by Cliff Maloney.

00:32:32.280 Cliff Maloney's been called the godfather of shoe leather and door-knocking politics at a mere 34 years old.

00:32:38.720 He is one of the key architects of Donald Trump's incredible victory in the Keystone State of Pennsylvania.

00:32:45.560 We have people in eastern Pennsylvania listening to us right now.

00:32:48.500 So you've probably been touched by Cliff Maloney and his Pennsylvania Chase operation.

00:32:54.660 Probably the greatest single grassroots political operation in the history of American politics

00:33:01.180 Average age of your deployment, Cliff?

00:33:06.660 Yeah, probably about 22 years old

00:33:08.760 I mean, a lot of people either are taking a gap year after high school

00:33:12.260 They're fresh out of college

00:33:14.000 You know, we pull a lot of people, Roger

00:33:15.560 They either listen to the Stone Zone

00:33:17.060 They're listening to the different shows, the Charlie Kirk show

00:33:19.340 But people that say, you know what, I'm working a dead-end job

00:33:22.360 or I'm working, but I want to be in the fight.

00:33:25.740 And that's typically how we recruit.

00:33:27.620 You know, for us to have 120 people on the ground in PA in 2024,

00:33:31.760 we had about 1,100 people applied.

00:33:34.080 And so it shows you, I mean, there's a lot of young people

00:33:36.400 that are just yearning to get involved,

00:33:39.080 but 22 is probably the average age.

00:33:41.780 So all these young people had a profound effect

00:33:44.940 on the direction of the country,

00:33:46.920 helping facilitate the greatest political comeback

00:33:49.320 in American history by President Donald Trump.

00:33:52.760 I loved watching him over there in London, all the pomp and ceremony.

00:33:57.600 Of course, I know he's now going to want his very own coach and carriage

00:34:01.240 because that was pretty cool.

00:34:03.120 But I want to ask you about New Jersey.

00:34:05.080 We've got about three minutes left.

00:34:07.260 New Jersey, one of the two states that has its gubernatorial election

00:34:12.180 in the off years.

00:34:12.980 Have the folks in New Jersey been wise enough to utilize some of the lessons

00:34:18.620 that you that you taught us in 2024 well one i'll give mike crispy credit uh mike crispy a great

00:34:26.900 patriot but i got an outreach from mike and a bunch of other patriots in new jersey that said

00:34:32.440 hey listen you know how do we get the p.a chase to launch in new jersey so i'm happy to report

00:34:37.640 here on your show here in the stone zone that we are involved with the new jersey chase we have

00:34:43.640 committed to put people on the ground. We launched in early August for Jack Cittarelli and we are

00:34:49.620 committing to knock 500,000 doors for the New Jersey Chase program. And honestly, Roger, there's

00:34:56.580 nothing special to say. It's just taking the playbook that we used in Pennsylvania. And I was

00:35:01.840 just in Cape May yesterday meeting with some of our people that are investing, strategists. We are

00:35:07.220 knocking 500,000 doors for Jack Cittarelli. I'm honored to do it. And I think it could be the

00:35:12.540 difference maker to put him over the hump in this gubernatorial election well there you go folks we

00:35:17.640 just made no news right here in the stone zone uh and i have to upgrade jack cittarelli's chances

00:35:23.380 look this is tough territory i mean new jersey's a very very blue state but the high tax soft on

00:35:29.740 crime policies that produce people like cory booker uh have i think run out of steam president

00:35:36.880 trump ran a very strong race in the state and cittarelli is coming on strong in the public

00:35:41.360 opinion polls. I think victory is indeed possible. And now, frankly, I'm encouraged by hearing that

00:35:47.680 Cliff Maloney's technology, his tactics, his techniques, and indeed his handbook, shall we

00:35:55.140 say, is going to be used on the ground in the Garden State. So I'm upgrading the chances of

00:36:00.260 Cittarelli now as a potential come-from-behind winner. It's going to take this kind of Herculean

00:36:07.280 effort but cliff maloney and mike crispy that's an unbelievable combination uh when it comes to

00:36:13.280 grassroots action uh and activism so i wish you the very best in that effort uh if you if you've

00:36:19.540 just tuned in i'm gonna give it to you one more time you can help this over all effort by going

00:36:23.900 to phace.com phace.com that money cliff will get used in new jersey correct absolutely roger and

00:36:32.880 Let me say this just as a send off. Roger, I appreciate you. You've always been there for me.

00:36:37.240 A great patriot of this country, a true America first man, and appreciate your mentorship and just always being there for everyone who wants to fight for the cause.

00:36:46.820 Thank you so much for having me. All right. That was the great Cliff Maloney, who was the founder of the Pennsylvania Chase and one of the key architects of Donald Trump's stunning Pennsylvania victory that made his comeback even sweeter.

00:37:00.720 Thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone. I'm Roger Stone. Thanks for tuning in to the Red Apple Audio Networks. Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.

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