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00:00:30.580 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:37.620 Please do not be alarmed. Remain seated. It's okay. My name's Ken Matthews.

00:00:43.060 I have been sanctioned to guest host for Roger tonight.

00:00:47.340 Anyway, it's good to see you again. Happy Monday. It's November 17th, 2025.

00:00:52.900 The number is 800-848-9222.

00:00:55.000 2222 biggest story today the epstein files and the terrible job the news media is doing

00:01:03.800 and it's a shame because you would think there'd be something in it for everybody

00:01:08.140 you know something in it for the left something in it for the right a little of this a little of

00:01:14.440 that i think it's so overwhelming people don't know how to deal with it my suggestion would be

00:01:21.340 just like when people comment on books that they don't read,

00:01:25.440 I would look at a lot of the emails, as many as possible.

00:01:30.920 And there's a ton of them.

00:01:33.100 There's a ton of them.

00:01:33.960 There's numerous links out.

00:01:35.800 Now, there's a difference.

00:01:37.460 I'm going to run over a few things regarding the Epstein files.

00:01:44.620 The Epstein files are different than the Epstein emails.

00:01:48.360 and the case files are different than the investigative files

00:01:53.020 and the text are different

00:01:55.780 just like the flight log was different

00:01:59.040 this has been a fascinating bait and switch

00:02:02.040 since the first month of this year

00:02:06.440 and then since President Trump got in

00:02:08.820 and then miraculously in the last 72 hours

00:02:14.360 President Trump said

00:02:16.400 Oh, we're going to do it.

00:02:17.700 We're going to do it.

00:02:18.380 We're going to release everything.

00:02:20.700 And I have a theory of why he did that, because he's been slow walking it and avoiding it all year.

00:02:29.760 We've been getting foolishness all year.

00:02:32.980 A little smattering of text, a smattering of emails.

00:02:36.540 We'll have all the podcasters show up at the White House, except Ken.

00:02:41.780 No, I'm not bitter.

00:02:43.680 Because there was really not a lot of free food involved.

00:02:45.960 And I'm kind of glad that I didn't end up at the White House and be given a binder of Epstein files that had nothing in it and told, just pretend there's a lot in it so it looks like we're doing something.

00:03:00.620 So I'm glad I didn't have to be a part of that.

00:03:02.780 Because I like to get to the bottom of stuff.

00:03:05.700 So Trump's narrative has just changed.

00:03:08.140 I'm going to explain why.

00:03:09.580 In my humble opinion.

00:03:11.720 What will happen tomorrow?

00:03:13.700 We don't know.

00:03:15.820 Trump can still shut it down.

00:03:17.300 Let me tell you why.

00:03:18.000 Because two weeks ago he opened an investigation, I believe, into Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, and someone else.

00:03:27.940 So what he did is he deflected brilliantly.

00:03:31.320 I think he's getting bad advice.

00:03:33.640 Or maybe he's just got too much on his plate.

00:03:36.640 He opened an investigation.

00:03:38.000 And because it's an open investigation and it's tangentially involving this particular file, he could easily say tomorrow, we are going to we are going to let it we are going to release it.

00:03:53.680 But there's got to be a lot of redactions and a lot of censorship.

00:03:57.280 In fact, we may not release it till maybe after Thanksgiving because it's an ongoing investigation.

00:04:02.840 Don't be surprised if you get that, because, you know, Trump can be moody.

00:04:07.240 The president can be very moody. That's why you get this stuff at 9.50 at night on Truth Social.

00:04:13.620 And he calls it a hoax again. He called it a hoax. It's not a hoax.

00:04:17.760 The entire Epstein episode is not a hoax.

00:04:20.940 It's a dark, dark period in our history, both here domestically and internationally.

00:04:29.360 So it looked like they could get about 297 House votes if they were to vote on this.

00:04:36.820 Remember, they were going to vote on it tomorrow.

00:04:39.120 Remember, they had to swear in that Democrat who was on board with it, along with a bunch of other Democrats.

00:04:45.300 I don't know if you know, there was not only Ron Paul and Thomas Massey and Nancy Mace and Lauren Boebert and MTG.

00:04:52.980 They were all on board with voting to release the files.

00:04:58.640 Now, I think President Trump made a huge tactical mistake, and I know that is not permitted in Trump land.

00:05:06.820 But I voted for Trump three times, so I helped you and I as Trump supporters.

00:05:12.460 We helped build Trump land.

00:05:14.620 We helped build MAGA.

00:05:16.620 Those of us that supported President Trump back in the day when other people were laughing at us and mocking us

00:05:24.660 and trying to shove Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush down our throat in 2015 and 2016, I was all Trump all the time.

00:05:34.260 I endorsed Trump in July of 2015.

00:05:39.040 Yes, after the elevator ride.

00:05:41.660 So this isn't a matter of flipping and flopping.

00:05:44.420 I still support the guy, but he better pull his butt out of the fire because it's not looking good.

00:05:49.420 Now, full disclosure, they could get 67 Senate votes tomorrow, 297 House votes, which would be two-thirds.

00:06:01.080 Now, would that happen?

00:06:03.300 it's right on the line. 0.95

00:06:06.360 Massey's goal was two-thirds vote,

00:06:09.720 because that would defeat a veto.

00:06:12.880 So Trump could still veto it.

00:06:14.620 He knew this, but it was risky.

00:06:17.580 Either way, this is a massive defeat for Trump.

00:06:21.840 And you can tell because of the way he's attacking

00:06:25.180 one of his greatest allies ever, MTG.

00:06:31.740 Now, I don't know if someone's telling him to do that, or if, again, I say this respectfully, he doesn't seem as sharp as he was when I met him in 2016, and the guy's got a lot on his plate.

00:06:49.860 People are coming at him from every angle, and maybe he just didn't realize that he's not editing himself as he should, but calling MTG, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Marjorie Trader Greene, is foolish, because she may be a lot of things, but I do not think she's a traitor.

00:07:14.160 And here's where we get into that mythology, that king thing.

00:07:19.300 And I do not believe Trump is a king, but you don't help things when someone disagrees with you respectfully as everybody starts out doing and you call them a traitor. 0.99

00:07:33.660 I'm not a traitor if I disagree with President Trump or if I don't support another country or if I think my governor is an idiot. 0.99

00:07:43.180 In Pennsylvania, which he is, he's a dangerous idiot, Josh Shapiro, doesn't make me a traitor. 1.00

00:07:49.860 But when the leader of the free world throws that around, that's not good. 1.00

00:07:56.380 It says your back is up against the wall and you're worried about something.

00:08:01.780 Now, let me tell you what I think Trump is worried about.

00:08:05.440 Because I get attacked all the time because I know there's certain things you're not allowed to talk about online or on my podcast.

00:08:13.180 And I really don't care.

00:08:14.660 A lot of people talk that game.

00:08:16.400 They say, I don't care.

00:08:17.400 I'll talk about what I want.

00:08:18.860 And then they don't talk about it.

00:08:20.260 So I'm going to talk about it because I've researched it enough.

00:08:24.640 And I'm looking at a stack of emails, which I don't know why in the world I printed out a ream of paper.

00:08:30.400 I could have just read it on the PDF.

00:08:31.800 But anyway, Trump's back is against the wall.

00:08:35.980 So now Trump wants to release the Epstein files.

00:08:39.140 because the rumor is, and several people have confirmed it,

00:08:44.520 there's anywhere from 80 to 100 votes on the Republican side.

00:08:48.800 So it's no longer, I'll just embarrass MTG or mock Thomas Massey

00:08:54.120 or say Ron Paul is crazy or make derogatory remarks about Nancy Mace,

00:09:00.860 all of whom were and are huge MAGA America firsters.

00:09:06.540 I'm not hearing this analysis anywhere, and it really bothers me.

00:09:10.020 It bothers me.

00:09:12.100 I mean, the whole thing, MAGA, is built on not throwing people under the bus,

00:09:18.900 not being political.

00:09:21.600 MAGA and America First, which has been infiltrated

00:09:24.920 and will never be the same after this week, ain't happening.

00:09:31.140 It is more commonsensical.

00:09:33.520 So the fact that MTG, Massey, Ron Paul, now I would say those are three of the most commonsensical, realistic people in Congress in this particular debate, because those are the ones that the president is attacking.

00:09:55.940 and then you have Nancy Mace and Lauren Boebert

00:09:59.480 and say what you will look 1.00

00:10:00.400 I love the fact that Lauren Boebert carries a gun 1.00

00:10:03.360 openly

00:10:04.560 I'm just, I think that's very cool

00:10:06.980 but that's for another day

00:10:08.800 you can't bully MAGA

00:10:11.580 and I think this is the toughest thing

00:10:14.120 for politicians, both Republican and Democrat

00:10:16.480 to figure out

00:10:17.280 see, we don't care

00:10:20.180 because we're not

00:10:21.860 we're not investors in foreign countries

00:10:24.240 We're not a bunch of billionaires.

00:10:27.180 We're not obsessed with the cocktail parties.

00:10:30.760 Now, I can tell you right now, there's a bunch of MAGA people that won't even come out and vote in the midterms.

00:10:35.860 And a lot will vote against Republicans because you just keep ticking us off.

00:10:44.180 So you can look at it any way you'd like.

00:10:46.540 I'm just speaking for myself as an American firster who thinks America should come before every country

00:10:54.600 and that the Epstein files should have been released immediately after he was sworn in.

00:11:05.140 But now, as I read the emails, I can only imagine what's in the files.

00:11:13.000 So, his back is up against the wall.

00:11:17.020 The polls are not good.

00:11:20.980 The most powerful argument for the Epstein file's release for many of us,

00:11:25.860 and I would say this is for me as well,

00:11:29.460 is, number one, Trump is protecting powerful men in his circle of influence and power.

00:11:37.740 And from everything I have seen so far,

00:11:42.000 That's exactly what is happening.

00:11:45.060 And then there's the dark extreme, which I do not adhere to because I've yet to see any proof.

00:11:52.400 And that is that Trump is involved in this dark behavior with the young girls and the trafficking.

00:12:00.320 I've seen zero proof of that since I started researching it in 2015 when I got the files from West Palm Beach.

00:12:10.140 However, the more I see of the Epstein text, which I've been reading all afternoon,

00:12:17.300 it's not good, and I wish Trump would have got out in front of it.

00:12:22.600 I wish the president would have gotten out in front of it.

00:12:25.400 The Epstein text do place Trump in Epstein's apartment, and that's all.

00:12:31.540 There's nothing else about that.

00:12:33.880 That's it.

00:12:35.080 He visited the apartment.

00:12:37.000 I don't know if you know that there were several hundred emails.

00:12:42.480 I don't know if I want to say several hundred because I haven't read several hundred,

00:12:45.680 but Steve Bannon is in a lot of the emails back and forth between Jeffrey Epstein.

00:12:52.100 I'm looking at him right here.

00:12:55.100 Steve Bannon? Yeah, that's Steve Bannon.

00:12:56.960 And Peter Thiel. Yeah, that Peter Thiel.

00:13:00.140 I almost said Teeter Peel, which was dangerously close to a meme that I didn't want to go down that road with.

00:13:06.240 Something that Peter Thiel mentioned and several other people mentioned is that President Trump was not involved in the nefarious stuff that is hanging around the neck of, maybe I should use a different analogy there, hanging around the neck of Epstein, involved in the dark stuff with Epstein.

00:13:36.240 Which is good.

00:13:37.300 In fact, at one point, Jeffrey Epstein, it's in an email, he tells Steve Bannon that President Trump was never involved with massages and all that other stuff.

00:13:54.240 There's an email where Jeffrey Epstein actually says that.

00:13:57.720 He, in essence, exonerates Trump.

00:13:59.860 He exonerates Trump.

00:14:01.600 So when we get back, I'm going to share a few more emails with you

00:14:05.320 and a few more bits and pieces of what has been released in the last week

00:14:12.900 and what may be coming out tomorrow.

00:14:16.140 And then hopefully you can listen to some of the BS you're getting

00:14:20.320 from the GOP and the DNC and most major news organizations

00:14:25.280 and you'll be able to sift through it

00:14:28.380 because nobody is really going deep enough on this.

00:14:32.260 And I think they're afraid for a couple reasons.

00:14:34.800 They don't want to burn their people,

00:14:37.480 and they don't want to exonerate their enemies.

00:14:41.420 We'll be back in the Stone Zone on the Red Apple Audio Networks.

00:14:45.940 I'm Ken Matthews.

00:14:50.300 The Stone Zone.

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00:14:57.260 And the number is 800-848-9222.

00:14:59.960 My name is Ken Matthews, guest hosting for Mr. Stone tonight in the Stone Zone.

00:15:03.940 Always a pleasure to be here on the Red Apple Audio Networks.

00:15:08.620 Tomorrow's the big day.

00:15:09.700 Will we get, after almost a year of stalling and slow walking and relabeling and mislabeling and downplaying,

00:15:19.660 will we get the files from the Epstein case of 2019?

00:15:27.460 Now, the files are chocked full of valuable information.

00:15:30.320 I'll mention that in a second.

00:15:32.140 I don't have the files in front of me.

00:15:33.460 I'm just telling you, when you compare the files to the text releases and the emails

00:15:37.760 and some of the testimony and some of the stuff that's been revealed by, for example,

00:15:43.320 Virginia Gouffre, who took her life earlier this year, whose book is sitting behind me,

00:15:48.280 And she says repeatedly that Trump, she never saw him.

00:15:52.740 He was never involved in anything sexual or anything illegal, et cetera.

00:15:58.860 The few times she did see him, it was in passing.

00:16:01.440 And, of course, she knew President Trump from Mar-a-Lago because she was, quote, unquote, recruited from Mar-a-Lago by Jeffrey initially to be a masseuse or a massage.

00:16:14.920 and kind of like help around his pool area and his club environment.

00:16:20.340 He had quite the place in West Palm Beach, by the way.

00:16:23.620 That's been torn down now.

00:16:24.860 Do you know that?

00:16:25.380 They've tore that down, that big pink.

00:16:28.200 It's a big pink house at the end of the street there.

00:16:31.520 Just a few minutes from Mar-a-Lago is by car.

00:16:35.020 There's an email where Jeffrey Epstein says to Steve Bannon,

00:16:38.920 because he had numerous conversations with Steve Bannon,

00:16:41.980 some of a very political nature and occasionally a personal nature,

00:16:45.720 but again, nothing incriminating other than the fact that Steve Bannon

00:16:49.200 was one of many people in the inner circle of Trump,

00:16:53.620 both pre- and post-first election, that had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:17:01.000 Whether it was a consulting-type thing, a friendship, social,

00:17:05.120 I mean, this guy's black book was massive.

00:17:08.300 It was amazing.

00:17:12.240 So, what will happen tomorrow?

00:17:15.020 I think it's going to be big.

00:17:16.880 My fingers are crossed.

00:17:18.820 We'll be back in the Stone Zone.

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00:17:42.540 Virginia Gouffre, one of the more high-profile, unfortunately now deceased victims.

00:17:48.540 A lot of phenomenal testimony in her book.

00:17:52.880 Amazing information in her book.

00:17:56.540 She mentioned the fact, and she never implicated Donald Trump, and he never was implicated in the book.

00:18:04.420 So this is something that, you know, as a Trump supporter, it's interesting because people don't they don't want to have these honest conversations.

00:18:12.000 They just, you know, it's kind of like Charlie Kirk. Shut up and believe the FBI.

00:18:16.340 It's kind of like COVID. Shut up and take the shot. It's the same thing here. 1.00

00:18:20.560 It's just from the Republicans instead of the Democrats or from the media.

00:18:23.880 There's always someone telling you or me, shut up, stop asking questions.

00:18:29.240 And there's been such an awakening in this country over the past decade.

00:18:33.480 We're done with that.

00:18:35.380 That's all we're going to do now is ask questions.

00:18:38.340 There's millions of people online.

00:18:40.660 Do you know how many podcasts there are worldwide?

00:18:43.500 Over 7 million.

00:18:46.380 So a handful of those people, I'm sure, are going to pursue the truth like a pit bull.

00:18:51.340 That's why mainstream legacy media is going out of business.

00:18:55.540 Because people are awake now.

00:18:57.460 Now they're demanding the truth.

00:18:58.900 They're demanding transparency, and they're not getting it from the mainstream media,

00:19:03.680 which has turned out to be a punchline because they're all paid to shut up.

00:19:08.840 Epstein hated Trump.

00:19:10.040 He trashes him constantly.

00:19:11.880 He trashes Trump so hard it's almost funny.

00:19:16.140 It's like, oh my gosh, he just wails, wails on Trump,

00:19:23.780 how much he hates him as a person, and he makes fun of him.

00:19:27.860 But then his conversations with Steve Bannon, he's talking about how we can strategize.

00:19:36.360 And then he has conversations with other people about how they, and one of the conversations that jumped out, I'm going to get to it in a second.

00:19:44.260 This is from the emails I went through this afternoon and last night.

00:19:47.420 There's a 2011 email that puts Trump in Epstein's apartment with an alleged victim, period, stop.

00:19:54.520 But there's zero proof that anything sexual took place.

00:19:59.680 But that exposes Trump's denials regarding the proximity to Epstein.

00:20:04.260 This is where I think Trump mismanages and he made a mistake.

00:20:07.600 He should have come clean at the very beginning of this.

00:20:10.960 The day the first photo of Virginia Dufresne from Mar-a-Lago came out where she was in her pool club or the country club outfit, their uniform that they wear.

00:20:29.640 From that very day, and people tried to start linking it to Trump, he should have just been open.

00:20:36.680 He should have said, look, I'm a billionaire.

00:20:39.220 I run with billionaires.

00:20:40.960 I don't do what they do, I don't always follow them where they go, but we share investments, we share this, I see this, I see that.

00:20:50.600 He tried to do it, but I think advisors shut him down because there's so many people on the periphery that are in deep caca when the files come out.

00:21:02.080 I mean deep caca, like the names that Thomas Massey has, the 20 men that I'm praying he's going to name.

00:21:11.280 And I think Trump was in his own way trying to protect them. 0.89

00:21:15.500 Do I think Trump is a pedophile?

00:21:17.940 No, and I've never seen any proof.

00:21:19.820 Does he like young, attractive women?

00:21:22.080 Yeah.

00:21:22.600 Have you followed the man's career?

00:21:25.360 Have you seen his wives, his attractive wives?

00:21:30.720 Okay.

00:21:31.960 So there's a big difference between that. 0.98

00:21:33.960 There's a big difference between being a swinging bachelor and running with a bunch of billionaires that some of them are just sick.

00:21:45.580 The question is, did he know?

00:21:47.540 And that's going to be the big, that's going to be another big investigative angle when the files come out.

00:21:53.900 They're going to say, does this look like a man, President Trump, not president at the time,

00:22:00.500 but now we're finding out he was president during some of the correspondence.

00:22:06.740 Did he know what was going on, and did he look the other way?

00:22:10.240 So, I mean, I think that's the worst it can get, but that's pretty damn bad.

00:22:15.100 So we'll see.

00:22:16.320 In 2015, there was an email.

00:22:18.300 Epstein talked to Wolf, and I think it's the Wolf that's the author and the journalist.

00:22:29.140 But don't quote me on it.

00:22:31.400 Is it Michael Wolff? Is that his name? I forget.

00:22:34.940 But they talk about converting Trump's denials into leverage.

00:22:40.960 So this is where this minutiae in here is fascinating,

00:22:45.400 because here you have Epstein talking to an author and a journalist reporting on Trump,

00:22:50.560 wrote a book about Trump, and says,

00:22:53.380 If Trump were to deny being on Epstein's plane, which he was, or deny being in one of Epstein's buildings, which he was, then we can hold this over Trump's head or just release it to hurt Trump before the 2016 election.

00:23:11.920 So there's a lot of stuff in there. This is why I'm so frustrated, especially with the Republicans and and some of my conservative colleagues for just kind of throwing this.

00:23:23.560 This is not going away. And if you think this is going away, just like if you think the Charlie Kirk thing is going away or Gaza is going away or Ukraine is going away before the midterms.

00:23:36.860 I don't know what you're smoking.

00:23:39.220 You have really lost touch, not just with the base, with the mainstream.

00:23:45.060 You're losing touch because the magnet to Donald Trump, the things that drew people to Donald Trump.

00:23:53.840 I had Democrat friends saying, you know, I can't stand this about him. 0.60

00:23:57.360 I hate orange man.

00:23:58.360 I can't stand this.

00:23:59.640 But I love the fact that he doesn't want to go to war.

00:24:02.380 And I love the fact that he's going to seal the border.

00:24:04.900 Or I have women friends that didn't like Trump, didn't vote for him the first time and said, I love the fact he's going to bring Epstein to justice and he's going to expose all that.

00:24:18.740 So when you start going back on what the people thought you were going to deliver, it's just not a good look.

00:24:25.620 I don't care how much money you spend on PR people or how many influencers you're paying however many grand a pop to say it your way.

00:24:35.120 We're smarter than this.

00:24:36.620 There's 350 million people out here.

00:24:39.380 And I think about 80 million probably voted for Trump.

00:24:43.680 The question is how many of them are coming back in the midterms?

00:24:47.920 And that's what everybody cares about now.

00:24:49.920 Everybody's worried about the midterms.

00:24:51.540 Well, you should continue to worry, because if you don't get the Epstein thing straight, you can talk about affordability all day long.

00:25:00.040 Actually, Mom Donnie started talking about that first. 0.89

00:25:04.200 Not that I he's terrible, but why did it take a communist Muslim getting elected in New York before the Trump administration started to say we need affordability? 0.85

00:25:17.760 Yeah, we do. We do. But this is this is what you ran on, just like in the first in the first term, you ran on the border and illegal immigration. 0.51

00:25:31.060 So I thought that was fascinating that you have Epstein. Look, Epstein was it's kind of like a combination of a busy buddy.

00:25:39.300 On one hand, he's very insecure, but then on the other hand, he thinks he's God, and then he knows everybody.

00:25:47.960 I mean, everybody.

00:25:50.580 Again, it's not your job to investigate this.

00:25:54.680 It's actually the news media's job, and they ain't going to do it.

00:25:58.160 What the problem is with the news media, and it's just like with the political parties because they're all one big club,

00:26:04.680 they're not looking for the truth.

00:26:06.580 They're looking for an angle.

00:26:08.100 So it's always an angle. So they'll look through 500 pages of something looking for an angle instead of just going page by page and saying, oh, my God, they were trying to frame Trump or, oh, my gosh, there is nothing in this email with with Gisle Maxwell that concrete.

00:26:28.480 There's no concrete implications of Trump anywhere so far.

00:26:33.160 And there wasn't in the investigation in West Palm Beach.

00:26:39.580 And I remember researching that before I endorsed Trump because I didn't want to come out and endorse someone that.

00:26:48.060 And, you know, I guess it will be on my face if it turns out I'm completely wrong.

00:26:52.420 But I just think this is a poorly managed.

00:26:56.180 It's a poorly managed cover up.

00:26:57.920 And it's it's not helping. And we could say all day it's helping. We could say all day it's a hoax. We can play it down. We can say, get on with it. Stop talking about it. That isn't going to work with the American people. That might work with an intern. It might work with the senator or the congressperson. But you're dealing with the American people.

00:27:20.100 We're much smarter than you give us credit for.

00:27:23.520 We don't have to flex all the time, but we've been smelling the BS of politics all our lives. 0.99

00:27:32.520 And it's all the same cookie cutter garbage. 0.99

00:27:35.920 You think you're smarter than us. 1.00

00:27:38.020 You hire someone to throw a coat of paint on it and then you lie about it.

00:27:43.940 And it ain't going to work anymore.

00:27:45.680 And when you stack some of these things up, like being in Israel, where we shouldn't be, being in the Ukraine, where we shouldn't be, hiding the Epstein files, which we should have released, and the rest of it, it's not an attractive lineup heading into the midterms.

00:28:07.300 I'm just trying to help as a supporter, as a conservative supporter.

00:28:13.760 So when they release the case files tomorrow, supposedly, and I think it's a 50-50 chance,

00:28:19.680 this is a Department of Justice fully detailed investigative file of over 100,000 pages.

00:28:24.600 I've never seen it.

00:28:27.340 Evidence, testimony, additional observations, time stamps, depositions, travel logs, documents.

00:28:35.260 100,000 pages.

00:28:37.480 There might be more emails and text as part of that case file.

00:28:41.280 And this is what the Trump administration, I believe,

00:28:44.140 this is why they've been slow walking or blocking this since the very beginning.

00:28:49.200 I don't think Trump knows what's in this.

00:28:53.260 But I do believe, because I think people have come to him,

00:28:57.900 I think people have come to him from other countries,

00:29:00.100 I think people have come to him from the campaign and from both parties and said,

00:29:05.360 oh my God, I think I might be in there.

00:29:08.980 Well, did you do something wrong?

00:29:09.980 Well, sort of, I'm not meet up.

00:29:13.220 I think there's a lot of bad actors in these files.

00:29:18.860 And I think Trump just wanted to distance himself from this.

00:29:22.720 I mean, what do you do?

00:29:23.780 What if, let's just say hypothetically, very hypothetically,

00:29:28.120 someone gave millions of dollars to your campaign,

00:29:31.280 and then the rumors start circulating because people talk.

00:29:36.260 That's what people talk.

00:29:37.240 That's what they do in the DOJ and the FBI.

00:29:40.900 And all the places they're not supposed to run their mouth, they run their mouth like a talk show host.

00:29:47.620 That's our job.

00:29:48.740 It's not your job in the FBI.

00:29:50.740 It's not your job in the DHS.

00:29:53.300 I mean, our government's a sieve as far as security goes.

00:29:57.920 And other countries, the same thing.

00:30:00.360 What if it got out that one of Trump's big donors was doing some horrible things with a child?

00:30:07.240 Thanks to Epstein.

00:30:09.200 Well, that's going to be bad.

00:30:12.120 Thomas Massey said he's aware of at least 20 people, politicians, billionaires, movie producers, and more,

00:30:17.240 implicated by victims, and the FBI has yet to investigate any of those names.

00:30:25.600 And that's where Mr. Massey and I are on the exact same page.

00:30:31.460 Because my thing is, you will come after me if a neighbor says I'm inflammatory online or I'm saying the wrong thing about transgenders on my blog. 0.94

00:30:47.560 But you're not going to go after a bank president when a girl says he raped me at 14. 0.99

00:30:56.140 Wake up. 0.99

00:30:57.180 You've got to wake up.

00:30:58.380 You're going to lose this story.

00:31:00.580 You're going to lose control of this if you don't get it together.

00:31:06.540 And I'm thinking before the end of the week.

00:31:08.560 It's Monday, right?

00:31:11.120 So when we come back, we're going to talk a little bit about, oh, this is another great thing that people are going to love.

00:31:19.340 We're going to talk about how fumbled the FBI, how they fumbled the Charlie Kirk investigation

00:31:25.940 and how every day new things come out about it

00:31:28.600 and no one in the media is allowed to cover it, so they won't.

00:31:32.220 And that's what really frustrates me the most.

00:31:34.200 I think as someone who's been in media now 45 years, give or take,

00:31:39.020 I get so frustrated when I tune into different places

00:31:43.880 and not only is there no truth,

00:31:46.960 they're not even covering stories that really impact the future of our republic.

00:31:51.560 And I think the assassination and the cold-blooded murder

00:31:55.240 live of Charlie Kirk, I think that should be like an RFK, a Bobby Kennedy assassination

00:32:04.900 investigation.

00:32:06.300 That should be the level of it.

00:32:08.740 So when we get back, I'll tell you a couple things that are allegedly breaking in that

00:32:14.100 case, and then you can call your senator or your congressman tomorrow and say, hey, why

00:32:19.360 aren't you guys doing anything like anything about anything?

00:32:25.060 800-848-9222.

00:32:28.160 I'm never going to get another congressional interview again.

00:32:32.240 It's Ken Matthews in for Roger Stone and The Stone Zone.

00:32:34.960 We'll be right back.

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00:32:46.080 The number is 800-848-9222.

00:32:49.940 And I will gladly give out my personal email for Ken Matthews and my podcast,

00:32:56.560 just because if you can't get to me tonight and you want to troll me or stalk me,

00:33:02.120 ken at kenmatthewsmedia.com.

00:33:05.580 If you want to weigh in.

00:33:06.900 And sometimes, you know, this hour goes so fast.

00:33:10.520 It just goes by so quickly.

00:33:12.760 But we cover a lot.

00:33:14.460 And just to just to wrap up, I just want to point out something that President Trump said in his statement on Truth Social when he said, you know, regarding the Epstein files supposedly being released tomorrow.

00:33:32.080 And I'm fingers are crossed. It's time to move on from this Democrat hoax perpetrated by radical left lunatics in order to deflect from the great success of the Republican Party.

00:33:44.320 See, I would have recommended against that.

00:33:47.000 I know that's a talking point, and that's what most talk show hosts are adhering to.

00:33:51.660 The reason I don't like that is because it's bull, because this should have been released a long time ago,

00:33:58.840 and the president could have released it in January of this year.

00:34:03.740 So at the end of the day, it has nothing to do with a deflection from things that you've done.

00:34:11.220 In fact, it's actually damaging the momentum of pardoning the Jan Sixers, which you did early on, and deporting illegals, which you did a phenomenal job of, and cleaning up our cities, which you did a phenomenal job of, and raising the morale of troops and enlistment and law enforcement. 0.87

00:34:34.640 I mean, there's a reason so many people voted for President Trump. 0.96

00:34:38.640 But this, again, you've got to get this fixed.

00:34:42.860 And this is what they do.

00:34:44.940 This is what they always do.

00:34:47.220 They release something and they do a bait and switch.

00:34:51.000 And they did this with the election in 2020.

00:34:55.360 They kept saying, 60 courts have said there wasn't even enough evidence.

00:35:01.300 No, 60 courts didn't allow the evidence in.

00:35:05.840 So there's a big difference.

00:35:07.880 This is the game that the media and the government plays.

00:35:11.120 We thought, we kept thinking every time some emails were released from Epstein that that was the files.

00:35:20.720 That was the case.

00:35:22.000 So people could argue, see, see, so-and-so did this, so-and-so didn't do that, what's-his-name did that.

00:35:28.280 But we still don't have the files yet.

00:35:31.160 And when was the trial again?

00:35:33.120 Oh, yeah, 2019.

00:35:35.300 OK, so you can't do that anymore. You just can't keep saying it. It's just like with Charlie Kirk. I mean, is anybody talking about the Egyptian military planes that were over Utah around Charlie Kirk's death date and from 2022 to 2025 tracking elements of TPUSA?

00:36:00.220 Has anybody even mentioned that?

00:36:01.740 Are you going to investigate it?

00:36:02.820 Are you going to vet it?

00:36:04.700 It's amazing to me.

00:36:06.860 That to me is, this Charlie Kirk story is so big and it's so important to the future of not only the country from the standpoint of justice, but to the Republican Party. 0.99

00:36:24.720 I mean, I say to the Republican leadership, get your head out of your rectum. 0.98

00:36:29.740 Do you want to save the republic and save this party 0.99

00:36:32.860 and get through the midterms or not?

00:36:36.520 You better refocus.

00:36:42.400 I mean, I'd love to fly up there and explain it to you,

00:36:45.480 but I don't have the kind of cash that you're paying everybody else

00:36:49.060 to talk the way you want to.

00:36:51.280 But have a great week, okay?

00:36:53.100 My name's Ken Matthews, kenmatthewsmedia.com.

00:36:56.580 I'm all over social media.

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