The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


The Stone Zone ｜ 11-17-25


Episode Stats

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Summary

The Epstein Files have been kept from the public for over a year, but now President Trump is ordering the release of the entire Epstein file. Is this a good or bad move? Or is this just the latest in a long line of bait-and-switches by the Trump administration regarding releasing the Epstein files?


Transcript

00:00:00.480 The Stone Zone. Entertaining and informative.
00:00:04.560 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:07.500 Please do not be alarmed. Remain seated. It's okay.
00:00:11.180 My name's Ken Matthews. I have been sanctioned to guest host for Roger tonight.
00:00:17.220 Anyway, it's good to see you again. Happy Monday. It's November 17th, 2025.
00:00:22.780 The number is 800-848-9222.
00:00:25.560 Biggest story today, the Epstein Files.
00:00:30.000 And the terrible job the news media is doing.
00:00:34.440 And it's a shame because you would think there'd be something in it for everybody.
00:00:38.760 You know, something in it for the left, something in it for the right.
00:00:42.920 A little of this, a little of that.
00:00:45.360 I think it's so overwhelming.
00:00:48.240 People don't know how to deal with it.
00:00:49.820 My suggestion would be, just like when people comment on books that they don't read,
00:00:54.840 I would look at a lot of the emails, as many as possible.
00:01:00.940 And there's a ton of them.
00:01:02.980 There's a ton of them.
00:01:03.840 There's numerous links out.
00:01:05.680 Now, there's a difference.
00:01:07.340 I'm going to run over a few things regarding the Epstein Files.
00:01:13.560 The Epstein Files are different than the Epstein emails.
00:01:18.240 And the Case Files are different than the Investigative Files.
00:01:22.840 And the Texts are different.
00:01:26.600 Just like the Flight Log was different.
00:01:29.500 This has been a fascinating bait and switch since the first month of this year.
00:01:36.740 And then since President Trump got in.
00:01:40.020 And then, miraculously, in the last 72 hours, President Trump said,
00:01:45.400 Oh, we're going to do it.
00:01:47.600 We're going to do it.
00:01:48.260 We're going to release everything.
00:01:50.780 And I have a theory of why he did that.
00:01:53.820 Because he's been slow walking it and avoiding it all year.
00:01:59.620 We've been getting foolishness all year.
00:02:02.860 A little smattering of text.
00:02:04.420 A smattering of emails.
00:02:06.420 We'll have all the podcasters show up at the White House, except Ken.
00:02:11.680 No, I'm not bitter.
00:02:12.640 Because there was really not a lot of free food involved.
00:02:16.280 And I'm kind of glad that I didn't end up at the White House and be given a binder of Epstein Files that had nothing in it.
00:02:25.720 And told, just pretend there's a lot in it.
00:02:28.000 So it looks like we're doing something.
00:02:30.500 So I'm glad I didn't have to be a part of that.
00:02:32.660 Because I like to get to the bottom of stuff.
00:02:35.580 So Trump's narrative has just changed.
00:02:38.000 I'm going to explain why.
00:02:39.340 In my humble opinion.
00:02:40.620 What will happen tomorrow?
00:02:43.600 We don't know.
00:02:45.700 Trump can still shut it down.
00:02:47.200 Let me tell you why.
00:02:47.960 Because two weeks ago he opened an investigation, I believe, into Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, and someone else.
00:02:57.800 So what he did is he deflected brilliantly.
00:03:01.200 I think he's getting bad advice.
00:03:03.540 Or maybe he's just got too much on his plate.
00:03:05.940 He opened an investigation.
00:03:09.320 And because it's an open investigation and it's tangentially involving this particular file, he could easily say tomorrow, we are going to release it.
00:03:23.480 But there's got to be a lot of redactions and a lot of censorship.
00:03:27.200 In fact, we may not release it until maybe after Thanksgiving.
00:03:30.780 Because it's an ongoing investigation.
00:03:32.920 Don't be surprised if you get that.
00:03:35.420 Because you know, Trump can be moody.
00:03:37.500 The president can be very moody.
00:03:39.060 That's why you get this stuff at 9.50 at night on Truth Social.
00:03:43.620 And he calls it a hoax again.
00:03:45.160 He called it a hoax.
00:03:45.980 It's not a hoax.
00:03:47.620 The entire Epstein episode is not a hoax.
00:03:50.660 It's a dark, dark period in our history, both here domestically and internationally.
00:03:59.320 So it looked like they could get about 297 House votes if they were to vote on this.
00:04:06.800 Remember, they were going to vote on it tomorrow.
00:04:08.980 Remember, they had to swear in that Democrat who was on board with it, along with a bunch of other Democrats.
00:04:14.440 I don't know if you know, there was not only Ron Paul and Thomas Massey and Nancy Mace and Lauren Boebert and MTG.
00:04:22.720 They were all on board with voting to release the files.
00:04:28.400 Now, I think President Trump made a huge tactical mistake.
00:04:33.340 And I know that is not permitted in Trumpland.
00:04:36.820 But I voted for Trump three times.
00:04:38.800 So I helped you and I, as Trump supporters, we helped build Trumpland.
00:04:44.480 We helped build MAGA.
00:04:46.840 Those of us that supported President Trump back in the day when other people were laughing at us and mocking us
00:04:54.540 and trying to shove Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush down our throat in 2015 and 2016, I was all Trump all the time.
00:05:04.140 I endorsed Trump in July of 2015.
00:05:09.180 Yes, after the elevator ride.
00:05:11.740 So this isn't a matter of flipping and flopping.
00:05:14.300 I still support the guy, but he better pull his butt out of the fire because it's not looking good.
00:05:19.300 Now, full disclosure, they could get 67 Senate votes tomorrow, 297 House votes, which would be two-thirds.
00:05:30.080 Now, would that happen?
00:05:34.020 It's right on the line.
00:05:36.240 Massey's goal was two-thirds vote because that would defeat a veto.
00:05:42.760 So Trump could still veto it.
00:05:44.500 He knew this, but it was risky.
00:05:47.400 Either way, this is a massive defeat for Trump.
00:05:50.720 And you can tell because of the way he's attacking one of his greatest allies ever, MTG.
00:06:01.880 Now, I don't know if someone's telling him to do that or if, again, I say this respectfully,
00:06:08.880 he doesn't seem as sharp as he was when I met him in 2016.
00:06:16.100 And the guy's got a lot on his plate.
00:06:20.120 People are coming at him from every angle.
00:06:23.940 And maybe he just didn't realize that he's not editing himself as he should.
00:06:31.300 But calling MTG, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Marjorie Trader Greene, is foolish.
00:06:39.120 Because she may be a lot of things, but I do not think she's a traitor.
00:06:43.060 And here's where we get into that mythology, that king thing.
00:06:49.180 And I do not believe Trump is a king.
00:06:51.640 But you don't help things when someone disagrees with you respectfully as everybody starts out doing
00:07:01.180 and you call them a traitor.
00:07:03.740 I'm not a traitor if I disagree with President Trump or if I don't support another country
00:07:08.800 or if I think my governor is an idiot in Pennsylvania, which he is.
00:07:15.480 He's a dangerous idiot, Josh Shapiro.
00:07:18.000 Doesn't make me a traitor.
00:07:19.740 But when the leader of the free world throws that around, that's not good.
00:07:26.360 It says your back is up against the wall and you're worried about something.
00:07:31.340 Now, let me tell you what I think Trump is worried about.
00:07:35.380 Because I get attacked all the time because I know there's certain things you're not allowed to talk about online
00:07:41.300 or on my podcast.
00:07:42.980 And I really don't care.
00:07:44.520 A lot of people talk that game.
00:07:46.300 They say, I don't care.
00:07:47.300 I'll talk about what I want.
00:07:48.740 And then they don't talk about it.
00:07:50.140 So I'm going to talk about it because I've researched it enough
00:07:54.320 and I'm looking at a stack of emails, which I don't know why in the world I printed out a ream of paper.
00:08:00.320 I could have just read it on the PDF.
00:08:01.860 But anyway, Trump's back is against the wall.
00:08:05.780 So now Trump wants to release the Epstein files.
00:08:10.000 Because the rumor is, and several people have confirmed it,
00:08:14.400 there's anywhere from 80 to 100 votes on the Republican side.
00:08:18.300 So it's no longer, I'll just embarrass MTG or mock Thomas Massey or say Ron Paul is crazy
00:08:27.440 or make derogatory remarks about Nancy Mace, all of whom were and are huge MAGA America firsters.
00:08:36.180 I'm not hearing this analysis anywhere and it really bothers me.
00:08:39.900 It bothers me.
00:08:41.640 I mean, the whole thing, MAGA is built on not throwing people under the bus.
00:08:48.300 It's not being political.
00:08:51.500 MAGA and America first, which has been infiltrated and will never be the same after this week, ain't happening.
00:09:00.240 It is more commonsensical.
00:09:04.960 So the fact that MTG, Massey, Ron Paul,
00:09:09.740 now I would say those are three of the most commonsensical, realistic people in Congress in this particular debate
00:09:21.340 because those are the ones that the president is attacking.
00:09:25.820 And then you have Nancy Mace and Lauren Boebert and say what you will look.
00:09:30.360 I love the fact that Lauren Boebert carries a gun openly.
00:09:35.100 I'm just, I think that's very cool.
00:09:37.300 But that's for another day.
00:09:39.660 You can't bully MAGA.
00:09:41.460 And I think this is the toughest thing for politicians, both Republican and Democrat, to figure out.
00:09:48.260 See, we don't care because we're not investors in foreign countries.
00:09:54.280 We're not a bunch of billionaires.
00:09:57.080 We're not obsessed with the cocktail parties.
00:09:59.480 Now, I can tell you right now, there's a bunch of MAGA people that won't even come out and vote in the midterms.
00:10:05.820 And a lot will vote against Republicans because you just keep ticking us off.
00:10:14.120 So you can look at it any way you'd like.
00:10:16.420 I'm just speaking for myself as an American firster who thinks America should come before every country
00:10:24.460 and that the Epstein file should have been released immediately after he was sworn in.
00:10:34.620 But now, as I read the emails, I can only imagine what's in the files.
00:10:42.880 So, his back is up against the wall.
00:10:46.900 The polls are not good.
00:10:49.020 The most powerful argument for the Epstein file's release for many of us, and I would say this is for me as well,
00:10:59.260 is, number one, Trump is protecting powerful men in his circle of influence and power.
00:11:07.660 And from everything I have seen so far, that's exactly what is happening.
00:11:13.880 And then there's the dark extreme, which I do not adhere to because I've yet to see any proof,
00:11:22.540 and that is that Trump is involved in this dark behavior with the young girls and the trafficking.
00:11:30.280 I've seen zero proof of that since I started researching it in 2015 when I got the files from West Palm Beach.
00:11:39.020 However, the more I see of the Epstein text, which I've been reading all afternoon,
00:11:47.120 it's not good, and I wish Trump would have got out in front of it.
00:11:52.480 I wish the president would have gotten out in front of it.
00:11:55.280 The Epstein text do place Trump in Epstein's apartment, and that's all.
00:12:01.460 There's nothing else about that.
00:12:03.760 That's it.
00:12:05.020 He visited the apartment.
00:12:06.120 I don't know if you know that there were several hundred emails.
00:12:12.380 I don't know if I want to say several hundred because I haven't read several hundred,
00:12:15.560 but Steve Bannon is in a lot of the emails back and forth between Jeffrey Epstein.
00:12:22.000 I'm looking at him right here.
00:12:24.960 Steve Bannon?
00:12:25.720 Yeah, that's Steve Bannon.
00:12:27.100 And Peter Thiel.
00:12:27.980 Yeah, that's Peter Thiel.
00:12:30.020 I almost said Teeter Peel,
00:12:31.740 which was dangerously close to a meme that I didn't want to go down that road with.
00:12:36.120 Something that Peter Thiel mentioned and several other people mentioned is that
00:12:47.620 President Trump was not involved in the nefarious stuff that is hanging around the neck of,
00:12:57.620 maybe I should use a different analogy there hanging around the neck of Epstein,
00:13:02.960 involved in the dark stuff with Epstein, which is good.
00:13:07.720 In fact, at one point, Jeffrey Epstein, it's in an email,
00:13:13.380 he tells Steve Bannon that President Trump was never involved with massages and all that other stuff.
00:13:23.120 There's an email where Jeffrey Epstein actually says that.
00:13:27.620 He, in essence, exonerates Trump.
00:13:29.760 He exonerates Trump.
00:13:31.580 So when we get back, I'm going to share a few more emails with you
00:13:35.220 and a few more bits and pieces of what has been released in the last week
00:13:42.780 and what may be coming out tomorrow.
00:13:46.020 And then hopefully you can listen to some of the BS you're getting from the GOP and the DNC
00:13:52.800 and most major news organizations,
00:13:55.160 and you'll be able to sift through it because nobody is really going deep enough on this.
00:14:02.020 And I think they're afraid for a couple reasons.
00:14:04.680 They don't want to burn their people,
00:14:07.360 and they don't want to exonerate their enemies.
00:14:11.300 We'll be back in the Stone Zone on the Red Apple Audio Networks.
00:14:15.820 I'm Ken Matthews.
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00:14:39.180 The Stone Zone.
00:14:41.140 Entertaining and informative.
00:14:43.100 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:14:46.060 And the number is 800-848-9222.
00:14:48.760 My name is Ken Matthews, guest hosting for Mr. Stone tonight in the Stone Zone.
00:14:52.740 Always a pleasure to be here on the Red Apple Audio Networks.
00:14:57.440 Tomorrow's the big day.
00:14:58.500 Will we get, after almost a year of stalling and slow walking and relabeling and mislabeling and downplaying,
00:15:08.760 will we get the files from the Epstein case of 2019?
00:15:16.260 Now, the files are chock full of valuable information.
00:15:19.120 I'll mention that in a second.
00:15:20.940 I don't have the files in front of me.
00:15:22.200 I'm just telling you, when you compare the files to the text releases and the emails
00:15:26.560 and some of the testimony and some of the stuff that's been revealed by, for example,
00:15:32.100 Virginia Gouffre, who took her life earlier this year, whose book is sitting behind me,
00:15:37.120 and she says repeatedly that Trump, she never saw him.
00:15:41.540 He was never involved in anything sexual or anything illegal, etc.
00:15:47.360 The few times she did see him, it was in passing.
00:15:50.740 And, of course, she knew President Trump from Mar-a-Lago because she was, quote, unquote,
00:15:56.480 recruited from Mar-a-Lago by Jeffrey initially to be a masseuse or a massage
00:16:03.720 and kind of like help around his pool area and his club environment.
00:16:09.120 He had quite the place in West Palm Beach, by the way.
00:16:12.420 That's been torn down now.
00:16:13.660 Do you know that?
00:16:14.180 They've tore that down, that big pink, it's a big pink house at the end of the street there.
00:16:20.380 Just a few minutes from Mar-a-Lago is by car.
00:16:23.900 There's an email where Jeffrey Epstein says to Steve Bannon because he had numerous conversations
00:16:29.380 with Steve Bannon, some of a very political nature and occasionally a personal nature.
00:16:34.340 But, again, nothing incriminating other than the fact that Steve Bannon was one of many people
00:16:39.620 in the inner circle of Trump, both pre- and post-first election,
00:16:46.440 that had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:16:49.800 Whether it was a consulting type thing, a friendship, social.
00:16:53.920 I mean, this guy's black book was massive.
00:16:57.080 It was amazing.
00:17:00.900 So, what will happen tomorrow?
00:17:03.380 I think it's going to be big.
00:17:05.760 My fingers are crossed.
00:17:07.720 We'll be back in the Stone Zone.
00:17:13.460 The Stone Zone.
00:17:15.420 Entertaining and informative.
00:17:17.460 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:17:20.420 On the Red Apple Radio Audio Network, the Red Apple Audio Networks,
00:17:25.080 my name is Ken Matthews, guest hosting for Mr. Stone tonight in the Stone Zone,
00:17:28.680 800-848-9222.
00:17:30.380 Virginia Gouffre, one of the more high-profile, unfortunately now deceased, victims.
00:17:37.340 A lot of phenomenal testimony in her book.
00:17:41.620 Amazing information in her book.
00:17:45.180 She mentioned the fact, and she never implicated Donald Trump,
00:17:50.660 and he never was implicated in the book.
00:17:52.580 So, this is something that, you know, as a Trump supporter,
00:17:57.000 it's interesting because people don't, they don't want to have these honest conversations.
00:18:01.040 They just, you know, it's kind of like Charlie Kirk.
00:18:03.400 Shut up and believe the FBI.
00:18:05.320 It's kind of like COVID.
00:18:06.520 Shut up and take the shot.
00:18:08.120 It's the same thing here.
00:18:09.240 It's just from the Republicans instead of the Democrats or from the media.
00:18:12.760 There's always someone telling you or me, shut up, stop asking questions.
00:18:18.200 And there's been such an awakening in this country over the past decade.
00:18:22.180 We're done with that.
00:18:24.160 That's all we're going to do now is ask questions.
00:18:27.120 There's millions of people online.
00:18:29.420 Do you know how many podcasts there are worldwide?
00:18:31.800 Over 7 million.
00:18:35.360 So, a handful of those people, I'm sure, are going to pursue the truth like a pit bull.
00:18:40.120 That's why mainstream legacy media is going out of business.
00:18:44.380 Because people are awake now.
00:18:46.240 Now they're demanding the truth.
00:18:47.860 They're demanding transparency.
00:18:49.220 And they're not getting it from the mainstream media,
00:18:52.460 which has turned out to be a punchline.
00:18:54.740 Because they're all paid to shut up.
00:18:57.580 Epstein hated Trump.
00:18:58.820 He trashes him constantly.
00:19:00.280 He trashes Trump so hard, it's almost funny.
00:19:04.940 It's like, oh my gosh.
00:19:07.720 He just wails, wails on Trump.
00:19:12.580 How much he hates him as a person.
00:19:15.140 And he makes fun of him.
00:19:17.140 But then, his conversations with Steve Bannon,
00:19:20.560 he's talking about, you know, how we can strategize.
00:19:24.980 And then he has conversations with other people about how they,
00:19:29.380 and one of the conversations that jumped out,
00:19:31.400 I'm going to get to it in a second.
00:19:33.020 This is from the emails I went through this afternoon and last night.
00:19:36.220 There's a 2011 email that puts Trump in Epstein's apartment.
00:19:39.960 With an alleged victim.
00:19:42.300 Period.
00:19:42.900 Stop.
00:19:43.480 But there's zero proof that anything sexual took place.
00:19:46.800 But that exposes Trump's denials regarding the proximity to Epstein.
00:19:53.060 This is where I think Trump mismanaged this, and he made a mistake.
00:19:56.400 He should have come clean at the very beginning of this.
00:19:59.840 The day the first photo of Virginia Goufray from Mar-a-Lago came out,
00:20:07.960 where she was in her, what was that called, the pool club or the country club outfit,
00:20:15.740 their uniform that they wear.
00:20:18.420 From that very day, and people tried to start linking it to Trump,
00:20:23.600 he should have just been open.
00:20:25.840 He should have said, look, I'm a billionaire.
00:20:28.020 I run with billionaires.
00:20:29.980 I don't do what they do.
00:20:31.420 I don't always follow them where they go, but we share investments.
00:20:37.060 We share this.
00:20:37.900 I see this.
00:20:38.640 I see that.
00:20:39.400 He tried to do it, but I think advisors shut him down
00:20:43.720 because there's so many people on the periphery that are in deep caca
00:20:49.160 when the files come out.
00:20:51.020 I mean deep caca, like the names that Thomas Massey has,
00:20:55.320 the 20 men that I'm praying he's going to name.
00:20:59.420 And I think Trump was in his own way trying to protect them.
00:21:04.280 Do I think Trump is a pedophile?
00:21:06.720 No, and I've never seen any proof.
00:21:08.620 Does he like young, attractive women?
00:21:10.880 Yeah.
00:21:11.380 Have you followed the man's career?
00:21:14.160 Have you seen his wives, his attractive wives?
00:21:19.540 Okay.
00:21:20.740 So there's a big difference between that.
00:21:22.740 There's a big difference between being a swinging bachelor
00:21:26.400 and running with a bunch of billionaires that some of them are just sick.
00:21:34.440 The question is, did he know?
00:21:36.260 And that's going to be the big,
00:21:37.600 that's going to be another big investigative angle when the files come out.
00:21:42.720 They're going to say, does this look like a man, President Trump,
00:21:47.440 not president at the time,
00:21:49.300 but now we're finding out he was president during some of the correspondence.
00:21:55.620 Did he know what was going on and did he look the other way?
00:21:59.020 So, I mean, I think that's the worst it can get,
00:22:01.580 but that's pretty damn bad.
00:22:03.980 So we'll see.
00:22:04.800 In 2015, there was an email.
00:22:07.080 Epstein talked to Wolf,
00:22:11.440 and I think it's the Wolf that's the author and the journalist.
00:22:18.280 But don't quote me on it.
00:22:20.240 Is it Michael Wolf?
00:22:21.580 Is that his name?
00:22:22.220 I forget.
00:22:23.720 But they talk about converting Trump's denials into leverage.
00:22:28.680 So this is where this minutiae in here is fascinating,
00:22:34.380 because here you have Epstein talking to an author and a journalist reporting on Trump,
00:22:39.340 wrote a book about Trump,
00:22:40.860 and says if Trump were to deny being on Epstein's plane,
00:22:46.380 which he was,
00:22:47.300 or deny being in one of Epstein's buildings,
00:22:51.860 which he was,
00:22:53.580 then we can hold this over Trump's head
00:22:56.260 or just release it to hurt Trump before the 2016 election.
00:23:00.920 So there's a lot of stuff in there.
00:23:02.860 This is why I'm so frustrated,
00:23:04.420 especially with the Republicans
00:23:06.420 and some of my conservative colleagues
00:23:09.760 for just kind of throwing this.
00:23:12.360 This is not going away.
00:23:15.360 And if you think this is going away,
00:23:17.580 just like if you think the Charlie Kirk thing is going away,
00:23:21.180 or Gaza is going away,
00:23:23.160 or Ukraine is going away before the midterms,
00:23:25.660 I don't know what you're smoking.
00:23:28.020 You have really lost touch.
00:23:31.040 Not just with the base,
00:23:32.720 with the mainstream.
00:23:33.840 You're losing touch.
00:23:35.820 Because the magnet to Donald Trump,
00:23:39.560 the things that drew people to Donald Trump,
00:23:42.660 I had Democrat friends saying,
00:23:44.600 you know,
00:23:44.820 I can't stand this about him.
00:23:46.140 I hate Orange Man.
00:23:47.160 I can't stand this.
00:23:48.440 But I love the fact that he doesn't want to go to war.
00:23:51.260 And I love the fact that he's going to seal the border.
00:23:53.680 Or I have women friends that didn't like Trump,
00:23:59.560 didn't vote for him the first time,
00:24:01.100 and said,
00:24:01.420 I love the fact he's going to bring Epstein to justice,
00:24:05.240 and he's going to expose all that.
00:24:07.520 So when you start going back on what the people thought you were going to deliver,
00:24:12.800 it's just not a good look.
00:24:14.420 I don't care how much money you spend on PR people,
00:24:17.800 or how many influencers you're paying,
00:24:20.500 however many grand a pop,
00:24:22.500 to say it your way.
00:24:24.120 We're smarter than this.
00:24:25.400 There's 350 million people out here.
00:24:28.360 And I think about 80 million probably voted for Trump.
00:24:32.860 The question is,
00:24:33.700 how many of them are coming back in the midterms?
00:24:36.720 And that's what everybody cares about now.
00:24:38.760 Everybody's worried about the midterms.
00:24:40.320 Well,
00:24:41.440 you should continue to worry,
00:24:42.780 because if you don't get the Epstein thing straight,
00:24:45.920 you can talk about affordability all day long.
00:24:48.840 Actually,
00:24:49.660 Momdani started talking about that first.
00:24:52.960 Not that I,
00:24:54.060 he's terrible,
00:24:55.280 but
00:24:55.460 why did it take a communist Muslim
00:24:59.000 getting elected in New York
00:25:00.920 before
00:25:02.380 the Trump administration started to say,
00:25:05.660 we need affordability.
00:25:06.700 Yeah,
00:25:07.000 we do.
00:25:08.300 We do.
00:25:08.860 But this is,
00:25:09.640 this is what you ran on.
00:25:11.100 Just like in the first,
00:25:12.380 in the first term,
00:25:13.760 you ran on
00:25:14.720 the border
00:25:15.960 and illegal
00:25:17.200 immigration.
00:25:19.920 So I thought that was fascinating
00:25:21.380 that you have Epstein.
00:25:22.820 Look,
00:25:23.100 Epstein was,
00:25:24.540 it's kind of like a combination
00:25:27.000 of a busy buddy.
00:25:28.720 One hand,
00:25:29.320 he's very insecure,
00:25:30.900 but then on the other hand,
00:25:32.560 he thinks he's God.
00:25:34.320 And then he knows everybody.
00:25:36.720 I mean,
00:25:37.140 everybody.
00:25:38.940 It's just,
00:25:39.620 again,
00:25:40.320 it's not your job
00:25:42.400 to investigate this.
00:25:43.420 It's actually the news media's job,
00:25:45.460 and they ain't going to do it.
00:25:46.580 They're going to,
00:25:47.140 what the problem is
00:25:48.040 with the news media,
00:25:49.600 and it's just like
00:25:50.340 with the political parties,
00:25:51.300 because they're all
00:25:51.980 one big club.
00:25:53.480 They're not looking for the truth.
00:25:55.440 They're looking for an angle.
00:25:57.460 So it's always an angle.
00:25:58.680 So they'll look through
00:25:59.840 500 pages of something
00:26:01.700 looking for an angle.
00:26:03.520 Instead of just going
00:26:04.600 page by page
00:26:05.580 and saying,
00:26:06.200 oh my God,
00:26:07.700 they were trying to frame Trump.
00:26:09.380 Or,
00:26:10.280 oh my gosh,
00:26:11.400 there's nothing
00:26:12.180 in this
00:26:13.060 email with
00:26:14.740 Gisle Maxwell
00:26:16.100 that concrete,
00:26:17.660 there's no concrete
00:26:18.940 implications of Trump
00:26:20.280 anywhere
00:26:20.980 so far.
00:26:22.080 And there wasn't
00:26:23.200 in the investigation
00:26:24.400 in
00:26:25.320 West Palm Beach.
00:26:27.760 and I remember
00:26:29.660 researching that
00:26:32.220 before I endorsed Trump,
00:26:33.840 because I didn't want
00:26:34.380 to come out
00:26:34.860 and endorse someone
00:26:36.000 that,
00:26:36.760 and,
00:26:37.100 you know,
00:26:37.880 I guess,
00:26:38.340 A,
00:26:38.460 it will be on my face
00:26:39.420 if it turns out
00:26:40.180 I'm completely wrong,
00:26:41.240 but I just think
00:26:41.860 this is a poorly managed,
00:26:44.240 it's a poorly managed
00:26:46.140 cover-up,
00:26:46.920 and it's not helping.
00:26:49.240 And we could say
00:26:50.080 all day it's helping.
00:26:51.160 We could say all day
00:26:52.040 it's a hoax.
00:26:52.680 We can play it down.
00:26:53.920 We can say,
00:26:54.480 get on with it.
00:26:56.820 Stop talking about it.
00:26:59.400 That isn't going to work
00:27:00.700 with the American people.
00:27:01.820 That might work
00:27:02.540 with an intern.
00:27:03.660 It might work
00:27:04.380 with the senator
00:27:05.060 or the congressperson,
00:27:06.480 but you're dealing
00:27:07.700 with the American people.
00:27:09.120 We're much smarter
00:27:10.360 than you give us credit for.
00:27:12.120 We don't have to flex
00:27:13.500 all the time,
00:27:14.780 but we've been smelling
00:27:17.160 the BS of politics
00:27:18.880 all our lives,
00:27:20.300 and it's all the same
00:27:23.060 cookie-cutter garbage.
00:27:24.700 You think you're smarter
00:27:25.840 than us,
00:27:26.720 you hire someone
00:27:27.820 to throw a coat of paint
00:27:29.960 on it,
00:27:30.380 and then you lie about it,
00:27:32.040 and it ain't going
00:27:33.740 to work anymore.
00:27:35.500 And when you stack
00:27:36.260 some of these things up,
00:27:37.500 like being in Israel,
00:27:39.420 where we shouldn't be,
00:27:40.720 being in the Ukraine,
00:27:42.040 where we shouldn't be,
00:27:43.740 hiding the Epstein files,
00:27:45.760 which we should have released,
00:27:47.840 and the rest of it,
00:27:50.300 it's not an attractive lineup
00:27:54.000 heading into the midterms.
00:27:56.100 I'm just trying to help
00:27:57.520 as a supporter,
00:28:00.340 as a conservative supporter.
00:28:02.500 So when they release
00:28:03.840 the case files tomorrow,
00:28:05.220 supposedly,
00:28:05.940 and I think it's
00:28:06.660 a 50-50 chance,
00:28:08.480 this is a Department of Justice
00:28:09.680 fully detailed investigative file
00:28:11.520 of over 100,000 pages.
00:28:13.400 I've never seen it.
00:28:16.100 Evidence, testimony,
00:28:17.800 additional observations,
00:28:19.220 time stamps,
00:28:20.520 depositions,
00:28:21.520 travel logs,
00:28:22.700 documents,
00:28:24.140 100,000 pages.
00:28:26.260 There might be more
00:28:27.140 emails and text
00:28:28.000 as part of that case file.
00:28:30.060 And this is what
00:28:30.600 the Trump administration,
00:28:31.920 I believe,
00:28:32.920 this is why they've been
00:28:33.720 slow walking
00:28:34.940 or blocking this
00:28:36.280 since the very beginning.
00:28:37.980 I don't think Trump
00:28:39.200 knows what's in this.
00:28:41.880 But I do believe,
00:28:43.580 because I think
00:28:44.360 people have come to him,
00:28:46.140 I think people have come
00:28:47.880 to him from other countries,
00:28:49.020 I think people have come
00:28:49.860 from him from the campaign
00:28:51.780 and from both parties
00:28:53.440 and said,
00:28:54.420 oh my God,
00:28:55.780 I think I might be in there.
00:28:57.760 Well, did you do
00:28:58.300 something wrong?
00:28:59.160 Well, sort of,
00:29:00.200 I'm not meeting up.
00:29:02.020 I think there's a lot
00:29:03.300 of bad actors
00:29:04.700 in these files.
00:29:07.560 And I think Trump
00:29:08.780 just wanted to distance
00:29:09.720 himself from this.
00:29:11.440 I mean, what do you do?
00:29:12.240 What if,
00:29:13.020 let's just say hypothetically,
00:29:15.560 very hypothetically,
00:29:16.920 someone gave millions
00:29:18.040 of dollars to your campaign
00:29:19.460 and then the rumors
00:29:22.180 start circulating
00:29:23.240 because people talk,
00:29:25.060 that's what people talk,
00:29:26.140 that's what they do
00:29:27.440 in the DOJ
00:29:28.720 and the FBI
00:29:29.360 and all the places
00:29:30.800 they're not supposed
00:29:31.580 to run their mouth,
00:29:32.720 they run their mouth
00:29:33.560 like a talk show host.
00:29:36.360 That's our job.
00:29:37.540 It's not your job
00:29:38.360 in the FBI.
00:29:39.540 It's not your job
00:29:40.400 in the DHS.
00:29:41.080 I mean,
00:29:42.360 our government's a sieve
00:29:43.560 as far as security goes
00:29:46.260 and other countries
00:29:47.800 the same thing.
00:29:49.400 What if it got out
00:29:50.280 that one of Trump's
00:29:51.280 big donors
00:29:51.900 was doing some horrible
00:29:54.580 things with a child
00:29:55.900 thanks to Epstein?
00:29:57.980 Well, that's going
00:29:58.980 to be bad.
00:30:01.120 Thomas Massey said
00:30:02.260 he's aware of
00:30:02.820 at least 20 people,
00:30:03.820 politicians,
00:30:04.440 billionaires,
00:30:04.960 movie producers
00:30:05.520 and more,
00:30:06.060 implicated by victims
00:30:07.840 and the FBI
00:30:09.840 has yet to investigate
00:30:11.400 any of those names
00:30:13.960 and that's where
00:30:15.320 Mr. Massey
00:30:17.320 and I
00:30:18.720 are on the exact
00:30:19.460 same page
00:30:20.240 because my thing is
00:30:21.580 you will come
00:30:23.060 after me
00:30:23.760 if a neighbor says
00:30:25.060 I'm inflammatory
00:30:26.700 online
00:30:27.980 or I'm saying
00:30:30.540 the wrong thing
00:30:31.880 about transgenders
00:30:34.040 on my blog
00:30:35.760 but you're not
00:30:37.420 going to go after
00:30:38.360 a bank president
00:30:41.000 when a girl says
00:30:42.520 he raped me
00:30:43.540 at 14.
00:30:45.040 Wake up.
00:30:45.980 You've got to wake up.
00:30:47.180 You're not getting
00:30:47.760 you're going to lose
00:30:48.660 this story.
00:30:49.500 You're going to lose
00:30:50.320 control of this
00:30:52.360 if you don't
00:30:53.760 get it together
00:30:54.660 and I'm thinking
00:30:56.200 before the end of the week.
00:30:57.320 It's Monday, right?
00:30:58.060 So when we come back
00:31:01.380 we're going to talk
00:31:03.180 a little bit about
00:31:03.900 oh this is another
00:31:04.720 great thing
00:31:05.440 that people
00:31:05.900 are going to love.
00:31:08.120 We're going to talk
00:31:09.340 about how fumbled
00:31:10.760 the FBI
00:31:11.480 how they fumbled
00:31:13.340 the Charlie Kirk
00:31:14.160 investigation
00:31:14.740 and how every day
00:31:15.960 new things come out
00:31:16.980 about it
00:31:17.400 and no one in the media
00:31:18.520 is allowed to cover it
00:31:19.700 so they won't
00:31:20.480 and that's what really
00:31:21.740 frustrates me the most.
00:31:23.040 I think as someone
00:31:23.860 who's been in media
00:31:24.640 now 45 years
00:31:26.340 give or take
00:31:27.000 I get so frustrated
00:31:30.000 when I tune into
00:31:31.100 different places
00:31:32.660 and there's not
00:31:34.240 not only is there
00:31:35.140 no truth
00:31:35.660 they're not even
00:31:36.260 covering stories
00:31:37.260 that really
00:31:38.000 impact the future
00:31:39.640 of our republic
00:31:40.380 and I think
00:31:40.880 the assassination
00:31:42.360 and the cold-blooded
00:31:43.580 murder
00:31:44.060 live of Charlie Kirk
00:31:46.260 I think that should
00:31:47.980 that should be like
00:31:49.380 an RFK
00:31:50.540 a Bobby Kennedy
00:31:53.080 assassination investigation
00:31:54.440 that should be
00:31:56.080 the level of it
00:31:57.040 so when we get back
00:31:58.400 I'll tell you
00:31:59.220 a couple things
00:31:59.840 that are
00:32:00.160 allegedly breaking
00:32:02.300 in that case
00:32:03.300 and then you can
00:32:04.740 call your senator
00:32:05.600 or your congressman
00:32:06.500 tomorrow and say
00:32:07.220 hey
00:32:07.480 why aren't you guys
00:32:08.800 doing anything
00:32:09.760 like anything
00:32:11.700 about anything
00:32:13.060 800-848-9222
00:32:16.540 I'm never going to
00:32:17.840 get another
00:32:18.300 congressional interview
00:32:19.760 again
00:32:20.240 it's Ken Matthews
00:32:21.920 in for Roger Stone
00:32:22.900 in the Stone Zone
00:32:23.680 we'll be right back
00:32:26.080 The Stone Zone
00:32:29.300 entertaining
00:32:30.340 and informative
00:32:31.580 on the Red Apple
00:32:32.700 Podcast Network
00:32:34.000 the number is
00:32:35.400 800-848-9222
00:32:38.540 and I will gladly
00:32:40.860 give out my
00:32:41.640 personal email
00:32:42.540 for Ken Matthews
00:32:44.160 and my podcast
00:32:45.100 just because
00:32:45.960 if you can't
00:32:46.720 get to me tonight
00:32:47.620 and you want to
00:32:48.980 troll me or stalk me
00:32:50.120 Ken
00:32:51.260 at
00:32:52.540 KenMatthewsMedia.com
00:32:54.240 if you want to
00:32:54.900 weigh in
00:32:55.360 and sometimes
00:32:56.340 you know
00:32:56.740 this hour
00:32:57.400 goes so fast
00:32:58.820 just goes by
00:33:00.000 so quickly
00:33:00.760 but we
00:33:02.360 cover a lot
00:33:03.400 and just
00:33:04.480 to wrap up
00:33:05.620 I just want to
00:33:07.240 point out
00:33:08.700 something that
00:33:09.780 President Trump
00:33:12.040 said
00:33:12.340 in his statement
00:33:13.680 on Truth Social
00:33:14.680 when he said
00:33:15.340 you know
00:33:16.540 regarding
00:33:17.080 the Epstein files
00:33:19.120 supposedly being
00:33:20.200 released tomorrow
00:33:20.860 and I'm
00:33:21.360 fingers are crossed
00:33:22.200 it's time to
00:33:23.500 move on
00:33:23.960 from this
00:33:24.400 Democrat
00:33:24.940 hoax
00:33:25.640 perpetrated
00:33:26.460 by radical
00:33:27.220 left lunatics
00:33:28.240 in order to
00:33:29.600 deflect from
00:33:30.300 the great
00:33:30.780 success
00:33:31.360 of the
00:33:31.780 Republican
00:33:32.180 Party
00:33:32.620 see I
00:33:33.600 would have
00:33:34.020 recommended
00:33:35.200 against that
00:33:35.740 I know
00:33:35.980 that's a
00:33:36.300 talking point
00:33:36.940 and that's
00:33:37.780 what most
00:33:38.200 talk show
00:33:38.660 hosts are
00:33:39.160 adhering to
00:33:39.840 the reason
00:33:40.980 I don't
00:33:41.320 like that
00:33:41.820 is because
00:33:42.280 it's
00:33:42.980 bull
00:33:43.520 because
00:33:44.900 this should
00:33:45.880 have been
00:33:46.100 released
00:33:46.480 a long
00:33:46.820 time ago
00:33:47.380 and
00:33:48.160 the
00:33:48.720 president
00:33:49.100 could have
00:33:49.600 released
00:33:49.980 it
00:33:50.240 in January
00:33:51.600 of this
00:33:52.060 year
00:33:52.360 so
00:33:53.120 at the
00:33:53.640 end of
00:33:53.860 the day
00:33:54.300 it has
00:33:55.020 nothing
00:33:55.420 to do
00:33:56.020 with
00:33:56.320 a deflection
00:33:57.120 from
00:33:58.240 things
00:33:59.200 that you've
00:33:59.680 done
00:34:00.020 in fact
00:34:00.860 it's
00:34:02.000 actually
00:34:03.060 damaging
00:34:04.500 the momentum
00:34:05.320 of pardoning
00:34:06.440 the Jan
00:34:06.820 Sixers
00:34:07.260 which you
00:34:07.720 did
00:34:08.060 early on
00:34:09.580 and deporting
00:34:10.440 illegals
00:34:10.900 which you
00:34:11.260 did a
00:34:11.520 phenomenal
00:34:11.900 job of
00:34:12.540 and cleaning
00:34:13.100 up our
00:34:13.520 cities
00:34:14.000 which you
00:34:15.060 did a
00:34:15.320 phenomenal
00:34:15.700 job of
00:34:16.360 and raising
00:34:17.020 the morale
00:34:18.160 of troops
00:34:20.300 and enlistment
00:34:21.600 and law
00:34:22.120 enforcement
00:34:22.680 I mean
00:34:23.640 there's a
00:34:24.020 reason so
00:34:24.700 many people
00:34:25.180 voted for
00:34:25.680 President
00:34:26.020 Trump
00:34:26.440 but
00:34:27.720 this
00:34:28.660 again
00:34:29.400 you gotta
00:34:30.180 get this
00:34:31.060 fixed
00:34:31.420 and this
00:34:31.940 is what
00:34:32.240 they do
00:34:32.820 this is
00:34:34.200 what they
00:34:34.600 always do
00:34:35.880 they release
00:34:36.740 something
00:34:37.580 and they
00:34:38.120 do a
00:34:38.420 bait and
00:34:38.780 switch
00:34:39.180 and they
00:34:40.220 did this
00:34:40.700 with the
00:34:41.740 election
00:34:42.380 in 2020
00:34:43.080 they kept
00:34:44.580 saying
00:34:44.920 60 courts
00:34:46.560 have said
00:34:47.040 it wasn't
00:34:48.320 there wasn't
00:34:48.760 even enough
00:34:49.320 evidence
00:34:49.900 no
00:34:50.300 60 courts
00:34:51.380 didn't allow
00:34:52.500 the evidence
00:34:53.560 in
00:34:54.100 so there's
00:34:55.180 a big
00:34:55.480 difference
00:34:56.240 this is
00:34:56.960 the game
00:34:57.660 that the
00:34:58.100 media
00:34:58.460 and the
00:34:58.900 government
00:34:59.260 plays
00:34:59.920 we thought
00:35:00.840 we kept
00:35:01.280 thinking
00:35:02.260 every time
00:35:03.420 some emails
00:35:04.260 were released
00:35:05.040 from
00:35:05.500 Epstein
00:35:07.160 that that
00:35:08.600 was the
00:35:09.020 files
00:35:09.400 that was
00:35:09.900 the case
00:35:10.520 so people
00:35:11.300 could argue
00:35:11.860 see
00:35:12.380 so and so
00:35:13.700 did this
00:35:14.200 so and so
00:35:14.700 didn't do
00:35:15.100 that
00:35:15.360 what's his
00:35:15.720 name
00:35:15.880 did that
00:35:16.440 but we
00:35:17.400 still don't
00:35:18.080 have the
00:35:18.460 files yet
00:35:19.300 and when
00:35:20.380 was the
00:35:20.700 trial again
00:35:21.400 oh yeah
00:35:22.580 2019
00:35:23.780 okay
00:35:24.900 so you
00:35:26.000 can't do
00:35:26.740 that anymore
00:35:27.280 you just
00:35:27.720 can't keep
00:35:28.460 saying it
00:35:29.140 it's just
00:35:29.740 like with
00:35:30.080 Charlie Kirk
00:35:30.800 I mean
00:35:31.800 is anybody
00:35:32.520 talking about
00:35:33.300 the Egyptian
00:35:33.840 military planes
00:35:35.040 that were
00:35:36.260 over Utah
00:35:37.060 around Charlie
00:35:38.740 Kirk's
00:35:39.380 death
00:35:40.160 date
00:35:40.820 and
00:35:42.080 from
00:35:42.540 2022
00:35:43.080 to 2025
00:35:44.120 tracking
00:35:45.660 elements
00:35:47.240 of
00:35:47.800 TPUSA
00:35:49.020 is anybody
00:35:49.480 even
00:35:49.780 mentioned
00:35:50.180 that
00:35:50.440 are you
00:35:50.680 going to
00:35:50.880 investigate
00:35:51.280 it
00:35:51.580 you're
00:35:51.760 going to
00:35:51.920 vet it
00:35:52.340 it's
00:35:53.860 amazing
00:35:54.440 to me
00:35:55.060 that to
00:35:56.000 me is
00:35:56.400 this
00:35:57.240 Charlie Kirk
00:35:58.140 story
00:35:58.580 is so
00:35:59.720 big
00:36:00.220 and it's
00:36:01.500 so important
00:36:02.380 to the
00:36:03.400 future
00:36:03.860 of
00:36:05.020 not only
00:36:06.000 the country
00:36:06.680 from a
00:36:07.500 from a
00:36:07.920 the
00:36:08.860 standpoint
00:36:09.480 of justice
00:36:10.140 but
00:36:11.200 to the
00:36:11.820 Republican
00:36:12.260 Party
00:36:12.820 I mean
00:36:13.840 I say
00:36:14.200 to the
00:36:14.460 Republican
00:36:14.860 leadership
00:36:15.440 get your
00:36:16.040 head
00:36:16.400 out of
00:36:16.900 your
00:36:17.080 rectum
00:36:17.620 do you
00:36:18.920 want to
00:36:19.280 save the
00:36:19.800 republic
00:36:20.200 and save
00:36:20.980 this
00:36:21.260 party
00:36:21.660 and get
00:36:23.380 through the
00:36:23.820 midterms
00:36:24.380 or not
00:36:24.980 you better
00:36:26.060 refocus
00:36:27.040 I mean
00:36:31.900 I'd love to
00:36:32.620 fly up there
00:36:33.220 and explain
00:36:33.740 it to you
00:36:34.180 but I
00:36:34.540 I don't
00:36:35.260 have the
00:36:35.680 kind of
00:36:36.040 cash
00:36:36.460 that you're
00:36:36.880 paying
00:36:37.080 everybody else
00:36:37.860 to talk
00:36:38.320 the way
00:36:38.620 you want
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