The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

00:00:00.480 The Stone Zone. Entertaining and informative.

00:00:04.560 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:07.500 Please do not be alarmed. Remain seated. It's okay.

00:00:11.180 My name's Ken Matthews. I have been sanctioned to guest host for Roger tonight.

00:00:17.220 Anyway, it's good to see you again. Happy Monday. It's November 17th, 2025.

00:00:22.780 The number is 800-848-9222.

00:00:25.560 Biggest story today, the Epstein Files.

00:00:30.000 And the terrible job the news media is doing.

00:00:34.440 And it's a shame because you would think there'd be something in it for everybody.

00:00:38.760 You know, something in it for the left, something in it for the right.

00:00:42.920 A little of this, a little of that.

00:00:45.360 I think it's so overwhelming.

00:00:48.240 People don't know how to deal with it.

00:00:49.820 My suggestion would be, just like when people comment on books that they don't read,

00:00:54.840 I would look at a lot of the emails, as many as possible.

00:01:00.940 And there's a ton of them.

00:01:02.980 There's a ton of them.

00:01:03.840 There's numerous links out.

00:01:05.680 Now, there's a difference.

00:01:07.340 I'm going to run over a few things regarding the Epstein Files.

00:01:13.560 The Epstein Files are different than the Epstein emails.

00:01:18.240 And the Case Files are different than the Investigative Files.

00:01:22.840 And the Texts are different.

00:01:26.600 Just like the Flight Log was different.

00:01:29.500 This has been a fascinating bait and switch since the first month of this year.

00:01:36.740 And then since President Trump got in.

00:01:40.020 And then, miraculously, in the last 72 hours, President Trump said,

00:01:45.400 Oh, we're going to do it.

00:01:47.600 We're going to do it.

00:01:48.260 We're going to release everything.

00:01:50.780 And I have a theory of why he did that.

00:01:53.820 Because he's been slow walking it and avoiding it all year. 0.56

00:01:59.620 We've been getting foolishness all year.

00:02:02.860 A little smattering of text.

00:02:04.420 A smattering of emails.

00:02:06.420 We'll have all the podcasters show up at the White House, except Ken.

00:02:11.680 No, I'm not bitter.

00:02:12.640 Because there was really not a lot of free food involved.

00:02:16.280 And I'm kind of glad that I didn't end up at the White House and be given a binder of Epstein Files that had nothing in it.

00:02:25.720 And told, just pretend there's a lot in it.

00:02:28.000 So it looks like we're doing something.

00:02:30.500 So I'm glad I didn't have to be a part of that.

00:02:32.660 Because I like to get to the bottom of stuff.

00:02:35.580 So Trump's narrative has just changed.

00:02:38.000 I'm going to explain why.

00:02:39.340 In my humble opinion.

00:02:40.620 What will happen tomorrow?

00:02:43.600 We don't know.

00:02:45.700 Trump can still shut it down.

00:02:47.200 Let me tell you why.

00:02:47.960 Because two weeks ago he opened an investigation, I believe, into Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, and someone else.

00:02:57.800 So what he did is he deflected brilliantly.

00:03:01.200 I think he's getting bad advice.

00:03:03.540 Or maybe he's just got too much on his plate.

00:03:05.940 He opened an investigation.

00:03:09.320 And because it's an open investigation and it's tangentially involving this particular file, he could easily say tomorrow, we are going to release it.

00:03:23.480 But there's got to be a lot of redactions and a lot of censorship.

00:03:27.200 In fact, we may not release it until maybe after Thanksgiving.

00:03:30.780 Because it's an ongoing investigation.

00:03:32.920 Don't be surprised if you get that.

00:03:35.420 Because you know, Trump can be moody.

00:03:37.500 The president can be very moody.

00:03:39.060 That's why you get this stuff at 9.50 at night on Truth Social.

00:03:43.620 And he calls it a hoax again.

00:03:45.160 He called it a hoax.

00:03:45.980 It's not a hoax.

00:03:47.620 The entire Epstein episode is not a hoax.

00:03:50.660 It's a dark, dark period in our history, both here domestically and internationally.

00:03:59.320 So it looked like they could get about 297 House votes if they were to vote on this.

00:04:06.800 Remember, they were going to vote on it tomorrow.

00:04:08.980 Remember, they had to swear in that Democrat who was on board with it, along with a bunch of other Democrats.

00:04:14.440 I don't know if you know, there was not only Ron Paul and Thomas Massey and Nancy Mace and Lauren Boebert and MTG.

00:04:22.720 They were all on board with voting to release the files.

00:04:28.400 Now, I think President Trump made a huge tactical mistake.

00:04:33.340 And I know that is not permitted in Trumpland.

00:04:36.820 But I voted for Trump three times.

00:04:38.800 So I helped you and I, as Trump supporters, we helped build Trumpland.

00:04:44.480 We helped build MAGA.

00:04:46.840 Those of us that supported President Trump back in the day when other people were laughing at us and mocking us

00:04:54.540 and trying to shove Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush down our throat in 2015 and 2016, I was all Trump all the time.

00:05:04.140 I endorsed Trump in July of 2015.

00:05:09.180 Yes, after the elevator ride.

00:05:11.740 So this isn't a matter of flipping and flopping.

00:05:14.300 I still support the guy, but he better pull his butt out of the fire because it's not looking good.

00:05:19.300 Now, full disclosure, they could get 67 Senate votes tomorrow, 297 House votes, which would be two-thirds.

00:05:30.080 Now, would that happen?

00:05:34.020 It's right on the line.

00:05:36.240 Massey's goal was two-thirds vote because that would defeat a veto.

00:05:42.760 So Trump could still veto it.

00:05:44.500 He knew this, but it was risky.

00:05:47.400 Either way, this is a massive defeat for Trump.

00:05:50.720 And you can tell because of the way he's attacking one of his greatest allies ever, MTG.

00:06:01.880 Now, I don't know if someone's telling him to do that or if, again, I say this respectfully,

00:06:08.880 he doesn't seem as sharp as he was when I met him in 2016.

00:06:16.100 And the guy's got a lot on his plate.

00:06:20.120 People are coming at him from every angle.

00:06:23.940 And maybe he just didn't realize that he's not editing himself as he should. 0.95

00:06:31.300 But calling MTG, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Marjorie Trader Greene, is foolish. 0.52

00:06:39.120 Because she may be a lot of things, but I do not think she's a traitor. 0.50

00:06:43.060 And here's where we get into that mythology, that king thing.

00:06:49.180 And I do not believe Trump is a king.

00:06:51.640 But you don't help things when someone disagrees with you respectfully as everybody starts out doing

00:07:01.180 and you call them a traitor.

00:07:03.740 I'm not a traitor if I disagree with President Trump or if I don't support another country 1.00

00:07:08.800 or if I think my governor is an idiot in Pennsylvania, which he is. 1.00

00:07:15.480 He's a dangerous idiot, Josh Shapiro. 1.00

00:07:18.000 Doesn't make me a traitor. 1.00

00:07:19.740 But when the leader of the free world throws that around, that's not good.

00:07:26.360 It says your back is up against the wall and you're worried about something.

00:07:31.340 Now, let me tell you what I think Trump is worried about.

00:07:35.380 Because I get attacked all the time because I know there's certain things you're not allowed to talk about online

00:07:41.300 or on my podcast.

00:07:42.980 And I really don't care.

00:07:44.520 A lot of people talk that game.

00:07:46.300 They say, I don't care.

00:07:47.300 I'll talk about what I want.

00:07:48.740 And then they don't talk about it.

00:07:50.140 So I'm going to talk about it because I've researched it enough

00:07:54.320 and I'm looking at a stack of emails, which I don't know why in the world I printed out a ream of paper.

00:08:00.320 I could have just read it on the PDF.

00:08:01.860 But anyway, Trump's back is against the wall.

00:08:05.780 So now Trump wants to release the Epstein files.

00:08:10.000 Because the rumor is, and several people have confirmed it,

00:08:14.400 there's anywhere from 80 to 100 votes on the Republican side.

00:08:18.300 So it's no longer, I'll just embarrass MTG or mock Thomas Massey or say Ron Paul is crazy

00:08:27.440 or make derogatory remarks about Nancy Mace, all of whom were and are huge MAGA America firsters.

00:08:36.180 I'm not hearing this analysis anywhere and it really bothers me.

00:08:39.900 It bothers me.

00:08:41.640 I mean, the whole thing, MAGA is built on not throwing people under the bus.

00:08:48.300 It's not being political.

00:08:51.500 MAGA and America first, which has been infiltrated and will never be the same after this week, ain't happening.

00:09:00.240 It is more commonsensical.

00:09:04.960 So the fact that MTG, Massey, Ron Paul,

00:09:09.740 now I would say those are three of the most commonsensical, realistic people in Congress in this particular debate

00:09:21.340 because those are the ones that the president is attacking.

00:09:25.820 And then you have Nancy Mace and Lauren Boebert and say what you will look.

00:09:30.360 I love the fact that Lauren Boebert carries a gun openly. 0.98

00:09:35.100 I'm just, I think that's very cool.

00:09:37.300 But that's for another day.

00:09:39.660 You can't bully MAGA.

00:09:41.460 And I think this is the toughest thing for politicians, both Republican and Democrat, to figure out.

00:09:48.260 See, we don't care because we're not investors in foreign countries.

00:09:54.280 We're not a bunch of billionaires.

00:09:57.080 We're not obsessed with the cocktail parties.

00:09:59.480 Now, I can tell you right now, there's a bunch of MAGA people that won't even come out and vote in the midterms.

00:10:05.820 And a lot will vote against Republicans because you just keep ticking us off.

00:10:14.120 So you can look at it any way you'd like.

00:10:16.420 I'm just speaking for myself as an American firster who thinks America should come before every country 0.93

00:10:24.460 and that the Epstein file should have been released immediately after he was sworn in.

00:10:34.620 But now, as I read the emails, I can only imagine what's in the files.

00:10:42.880 So, his back is up against the wall.

00:10:46.900 The polls are not good.

00:10:49.020 The most powerful argument for the Epstein file's release for many of us, and I would say this is for me as well,

00:10:59.260 is, number one, Trump is protecting powerful men in his circle of influence and power.

00:11:07.660 And from everything I have seen so far, that's exactly what is happening.

00:11:13.880 And then there's the dark extreme, which I do not adhere to because I've yet to see any proof,

00:11:22.540 and that is that Trump is involved in this dark behavior with the young girls and the trafficking.

00:11:30.280 I've seen zero proof of that since I started researching it in 2015 when I got the files from West Palm Beach.

00:11:39.020 However, the more I see of the Epstein text, which I've been reading all afternoon,

00:11:47.120 it's not good, and I wish Trump would have got out in front of it.

00:11:52.480 I wish the president would have gotten out in front of it.

00:11:55.280 The Epstein text do place Trump in Epstein's apartment, and that's all.

00:12:01.460 There's nothing else about that.

00:12:03.760 That's it.

00:12:05.020 He visited the apartment.

00:12:06.120 I don't know if you know that there were several hundred emails.

00:12:12.380 I don't know if I want to say several hundred because I haven't read several hundred,

00:12:15.560 but Steve Bannon is in a lot of the emails back and forth between Jeffrey Epstein.

00:12:22.000 I'm looking at him right here.

00:12:24.960 Steve Bannon?

00:12:25.720 Yeah, that's Steve Bannon.

00:12:27.100 And Peter Thiel.

00:12:27.980 Yeah, that's Peter Thiel.

00:12:30.020 I almost said Teeter Peel,

00:12:31.740 which was dangerously close to a meme that I didn't want to go down that road with.

00:12:36.120 Something that Peter Thiel mentioned and several other people mentioned is that

00:12:47.620 President Trump was not involved in the nefarious stuff that is hanging around the neck of,

00:12:57.620 maybe I should use a different analogy there hanging around the neck of Epstein,

00:13:02.960 involved in the dark stuff with Epstein, which is good.

00:13:07.720 In fact, at one point, Jeffrey Epstein, it's in an email,

00:13:13.380 he tells Steve Bannon that President Trump was never involved with massages and all that other stuff.

00:13:23.120 There's an email where Jeffrey Epstein actually says that.

00:13:27.620 He, in essence, exonerates Trump.

00:13:29.760 He exonerates Trump.

00:13:31.580 So when we get back, I'm going to share a few more emails with you

00:13:35.220 and a few more bits and pieces of what has been released in the last week

00:13:42.780 and what may be coming out tomorrow.

00:13:46.020 And then hopefully you can listen to some of the BS you're getting from the GOP and the DNC

00:13:52.800 and most major news organizations,

00:13:55.160 and you'll be able to sift through it because nobody is really going deep enough on this.

00:14:02.020 And I think they're afraid for a couple reasons.

00:14:04.680 They don't want to burn their people,

00:14:07.360 and they don't want to exonerate their enemies.

00:14:11.300 We'll be back in the Stone Zone on the Red Apple Audio Networks.

00:14:15.820 I'm Ken Matthews.

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00:14:39.180 The Stone Zone.

00:14:41.140 Entertaining and informative.

00:14:43.100 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:14:46.060 And the number is 800-848-9222.

00:14:48.760 My name is Ken Matthews, guest hosting for Mr. Stone tonight in the Stone Zone.

00:14:52.740 Always a pleasure to be here on the Red Apple Audio Networks.

00:14:57.440 Tomorrow's the big day.

00:14:58.500 Will we get, after almost a year of stalling and slow walking and relabeling and mislabeling and downplaying,

00:15:08.760 will we get the files from the Epstein case of 2019?

00:15:16.260 Now, the files are chock full of valuable information.

00:15:19.120 I'll mention that in a second.

00:15:20.940 I don't have the files in front of me.

00:15:22.200 I'm just telling you, when you compare the files to the text releases and the emails

00:15:26.560 and some of the testimony and some of the stuff that's been revealed by, for example,

00:15:32.100 Virginia Gouffre, who took her life earlier this year, whose book is sitting behind me,

00:15:37.120 and she says repeatedly that Trump, she never saw him.

00:15:41.540 He was never involved in anything sexual or anything illegal, etc.

00:15:47.360 The few times she did see him, it was in passing.

00:15:50.740 And, of course, she knew President Trump from Mar-a-Lago because she was, quote, unquote,

00:15:56.480 recruited from Mar-a-Lago by Jeffrey initially to be a masseuse or a massage

00:16:03.720 and kind of like help around his pool area and his club environment.

00:16:09.120 He had quite the place in West Palm Beach, by the way.

00:16:12.420 That's been torn down now.

00:16:13.660 Do you know that?

00:16:14.180 They've tore that down, that big pink, it's a big pink house at the end of the street there.

00:16:20.380 Just a few minutes from Mar-a-Lago is by car.

00:16:23.900 There's an email where Jeffrey Epstein says to Steve Bannon because he had numerous conversations

00:16:29.380 with Steve Bannon, some of a very political nature and occasionally a personal nature.

00:16:34.340 But, again, nothing incriminating other than the fact that Steve Bannon was one of many people

00:16:39.620 in the inner circle of Trump, both pre- and post-first election,

00:16:46.440 that had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:16:49.800 Whether it was a consulting type thing, a friendship, social.

00:16:53.920 I mean, this guy's black book was massive.

00:16:57.080 It was amazing.

00:17:00.900 So, what will happen tomorrow?

00:17:03.380 I think it's going to be big.

00:17:05.760 My fingers are crossed.

00:17:07.720 We'll be back in the Stone Zone.

00:17:13.460 The Stone Zone.

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00:17:25.080 my name is Ken Matthews, guest hosting for Mr. Stone tonight in the Stone Zone,

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00:17:30.380 Virginia Gouffre, one of the more high-profile, unfortunately now deceased, victims.

00:17:37.340 A lot of phenomenal testimony in her book.

00:17:41.620 Amazing information in her book.

00:17:45.180 She mentioned the fact, and she never implicated Donald Trump,

00:17:50.660 and he never was implicated in the book.

00:17:52.580 So, this is something that, you know, as a Trump supporter,

00:17:57.000 it's interesting because people don't, they don't want to have these honest conversations.

00:18:01.040 They just, you know, it's kind of like Charlie Kirk.

00:18:03.400 Shut up and believe the FBI. 0.88

00:18:05.320 It's kind of like COVID. 1.00

00:18:06.520 Shut up and take the shot. 0.99

00:18:08.120 It's the same thing here. 1.00

00:18:09.240 It's just from the Republicans instead of the Democrats or from the media.

00:18:12.760 There's always someone telling you or me, shut up, stop asking questions.

00:18:18.200 And there's been such an awakening in this country over the past decade.

00:18:22.180 We're done with that.

00:18:24.160 That's all we're going to do now is ask questions.

00:18:27.120 There's millions of people online.

00:18:29.420 Do you know how many podcasts there are worldwide?

00:18:31.800 Over 7 million.

00:18:35.360 So, a handful of those people, I'm sure, are going to pursue the truth like a pit bull.

00:18:40.120 That's why mainstream legacy media is going out of business.

00:18:44.380 Because people are awake now.

00:18:46.240 Now they're demanding the truth.

00:18:47.860 They're demanding transparency.

00:18:49.220 And they're not getting it from the mainstream media,

00:18:52.460 which has turned out to be a punchline.

00:18:54.740 Because they're all paid to shut up.

00:18:57.580 Epstein hated Trump.

00:18:58.820 He trashes him constantly.

00:19:00.280 He trashes Trump so hard, it's almost funny.

00:19:04.940 It's like, oh my gosh.

00:19:07.720 He just wails, wails on Trump.

00:19:12.580 How much he hates him as a person.

00:19:15.140 And he makes fun of him.

00:19:17.140 But then, his conversations with Steve Bannon,

00:19:20.560 he's talking about, you know, how we can strategize.

00:19:24.980 And then he has conversations with other people about how they,

00:19:29.380 and one of the conversations that jumped out,

00:19:31.400 I'm going to get to it in a second.

00:19:33.020 This is from the emails I went through this afternoon and last night.

00:19:36.220 There's a 2011 email that puts Trump in Epstein's apartment.

00:19:39.960 With an alleged victim.

00:19:42.300 Period.

00:19:42.900 Stop.

00:19:43.480 But there's zero proof that anything sexual took place.

00:19:46.800 But that exposes Trump's denials regarding the proximity to Epstein.

00:19:53.060 This is where I think Trump mismanaged this, and he made a mistake.

00:19:56.400 He should have come clean at the very beginning of this.

00:19:59.840 The day the first photo of Virginia Goufray from Mar-a-Lago came out,

00:20:07.960 where she was in her, what was that called, the pool club or the country club outfit,

00:20:15.740 their uniform that they wear.

00:20:18.420 From that very day, and people tried to start linking it to Trump,

00:20:23.600 he should have just been open.

00:20:25.840 He should have said, look, I'm a billionaire.

00:20:28.020 I run with billionaires.

00:20:29.980 I don't do what they do.

00:20:31.420 I don't always follow them where they go, but we share investments.

00:20:37.060 We share this.

00:20:37.900 I see this.

00:20:38.640 I see that.

00:20:39.400 He tried to do it, but I think advisors shut him down

00:20:43.720 because there's so many people on the periphery that are in deep caca

00:20:49.160 when the files come out.

00:20:51.020 I mean deep caca, like the names that Thomas Massey has,

00:20:55.320 the 20 men that I'm praying he's going to name.

00:20:59.420 And I think Trump was in his own way trying to protect them. 0.78

00:21:04.280 Do I think Trump is a pedophile?

00:21:06.720 No, and I've never seen any proof.

00:21:08.620 Does he like young, attractive women?

00:21:10.880 Yeah.

00:21:11.380 Have you followed the man's career?

00:21:14.160 Have you seen his wives, his attractive wives?

00:21:19.540 Okay.

00:21:20.740 So there's a big difference between that.

00:21:22.740 There's a big difference between being a swinging bachelor 0.99

00:21:26.400 and running with a bunch of billionaires that some of them are just sick. 0.91

00:21:34.440 The question is, did he know?

00:21:36.260 And that's going to be the big,

00:21:37.600 that's going to be another big investigative angle when the files come out.

00:21:42.720 They're going to say, does this look like a man, President Trump,

00:21:47.440 not president at the time,

00:21:49.300 but now we're finding out he was president during some of the correspondence.

00:21:55.620 Did he know what was going on and did he look the other way?

00:21:59.020 So, I mean, I think that's the worst it can get,

00:22:01.580 but that's pretty damn bad.

00:22:03.980 So we'll see.

00:22:04.800 In 2015, there was an email.

00:22:07.080 Epstein talked to Wolf,

00:22:11.440 and I think it's the Wolf that's the author and the journalist.

00:22:18.280 But don't quote me on it.

00:22:20.240 Is it Michael Wolf?

00:22:21.580 Is that his name?

00:22:22.220 I forget.

00:22:23.720 But they talk about converting Trump's denials into leverage.

00:22:28.680 So this is where this minutiae in here is fascinating,

00:22:34.380 because here you have Epstein talking to an author and a journalist reporting on Trump,

00:22:39.340 wrote a book about Trump,

00:22:40.860 and says if Trump were to deny being on Epstein's plane,

00:22:46.380 which he was,

00:22:47.300 or deny being in one of Epstein's buildings,

00:22:51.860 which he was,

00:22:53.580 then we can hold this over Trump's head

00:22:56.260 or just release it to hurt Trump before the 2016 election.

00:23:00.920 So there's a lot of stuff in there.

00:23:02.860 This is why I'm so frustrated,

00:23:04.420 especially with the Republicans

00:23:06.420 and some of my conservative colleagues

00:23:09.760 for just kind of throwing this.

00:23:12.360 This is not going away.

00:23:15.360 And if you think this is going away,

00:23:17.580 just like if you think the Charlie Kirk thing is going away,

00:23:21.180 or Gaza is going away, 0.57

00:23:23.160 or Ukraine is going away before the midterms,

00:23:25.660 I don't know what you're smoking.

00:23:28.020 You have really lost touch.

00:23:31.040 Not just with the base,

00:23:32.720 with the mainstream.

00:23:33.840 You're losing touch.

00:23:35.820 Because the magnet to Donald Trump,

00:23:39.560 the things that drew people to Donald Trump,

00:23:42.660 I had Democrat friends saying,

00:23:44.600 you know,

00:23:44.820 I can't stand this about him.

00:23:46.140 I hate Orange Man.

00:23:47.160 I can't stand this.

00:23:48.440 But I love the fact that he doesn't want to go to war.

00:23:51.260 And I love the fact that he's going to seal the border.

00:23:53.680 Or I have women friends that didn't like Trump,

00:23:59.560 didn't vote for him the first time,

00:24:01.100 and said,

00:24:01.420 I love the fact he's going to bring Epstein to justice,

00:24:05.240 and he's going to expose all that.

00:24:07.520 So when you start going back on what the people thought you were going to deliver,

00:24:12.800 it's just not a good look.

00:24:14.420 I don't care how much money you spend on PR people,

00:24:17.800 or how many influencers you're paying,

00:24:20.500 however many grand a pop,

00:24:22.500 to say it your way.

00:24:24.120 We're smarter than this.

00:24:25.400 There's 350 million people out here.

00:24:28.360 And I think about 80 million probably voted for Trump.

00:24:32.860 The question is,

00:24:33.700 how many of them are coming back in the midterms?

00:24:36.720 And that's what everybody cares about now.

00:24:38.760 Everybody's worried about the midterms.

00:24:40.320 Well,

00:24:41.440 you should continue to worry,

00:24:42.780 because if you don't get the Epstein thing straight,

00:24:45.920 you can talk about affordability all day long.

00:24:48.840 Actually,

00:24:49.660 Momdani started talking about that first.

00:24:52.960 Not that I,

00:24:54.060 he's terrible,

00:24:55.280 but 0.99

00:24:55.460 why did it take a communist Muslim 0.98

00:24:59.000 getting elected in New York

00:25:00.920 before

00:25:02.380 the Trump administration started to say,

00:25:05.660 we need affordability.

00:25:06.700 Yeah,

00:25:07.000 we do.

00:25:08.300 We do.

00:25:08.860 But this is,

00:25:09.640 this is what you ran on.

00:25:11.100 Just like in the first,

00:25:12.380 in the first term,

00:25:13.760 you ran on

00:25:14.720 the border

00:25:15.960 and illegal

00:25:17.200 immigration.

00:25:19.920 So I thought that was fascinating

00:25:21.380 that you have Epstein.

00:25:22.820 Look,

00:25:23.100 Epstein was,

00:25:24.540 it's kind of like a combination

00:25:27.000 of a busy buddy.

00:25:28.720 One hand,

00:25:29.320 he's very insecure,

00:25:30.900 but then on the other hand,

00:25:32.560 he thinks he's God.

00:25:34.320 And then he knows everybody.

00:25:36.720 I mean,

00:25:37.140 everybody.

00:25:38.940 It's just,

00:25:39.620 again,

00:25:40.320 it's not your job

00:25:42.400 to investigate this.

00:25:43.420 It's actually the news media's job,

00:25:45.460 and they ain't going to do it.

00:25:46.580 They're going to,

00:25:47.140 what the problem is

00:25:48.040 with the news media,

00:25:49.600 and it's just like

00:25:50.340 with the political parties,

00:25:51.300 because they're all

00:25:51.980 one big club.

00:25:53.480 They're not looking for the truth.

00:25:55.440 They're looking for an angle.

00:25:57.460 So it's always an angle.

00:25:58.680 So they'll look through

00:25:59.840 500 pages of something

00:26:01.700 looking for an angle.

00:26:03.520 Instead of just going

00:26:04.600 page by page

00:26:05.580 and saying,

00:26:06.200 oh my God,

00:26:07.700 they were trying to frame Trump.

00:26:09.380 Or,

00:26:10.280 oh my gosh,

00:26:11.400 there's nothing

00:26:12.180 in this

00:26:13.060 email with

00:26:14.740 Gisle Maxwell

00:26:16.100 that concrete,

00:26:17.660 there's no concrete

00:26:18.940 implications of Trump

00:26:20.280 anywhere

00:26:20.980 so far.

00:26:22.080 And there wasn't

00:26:23.200 in the investigation

00:26:24.400 in

00:26:25.320 West Palm Beach.

00:26:27.760 and I remember

00:26:29.660 researching that

00:26:32.220 before I endorsed Trump,

00:26:33.840 because I didn't want

00:26:34.380 to come out

00:26:34.860 and endorse someone

00:26:36.000 that,

00:26:36.760 and,

00:26:37.100 you know,

00:26:37.880 I guess,

00:26:38.340 A,

00:26:38.460 it will be on my face

00:26:39.420 if it turns out

00:26:40.180 I'm completely wrong,

00:26:41.240 but I just think

00:26:41.860 this is a poorly managed,

00:26:44.240 it's a poorly managed

00:26:46.140 cover-up,

00:26:46.920 and it's not helping.

00:26:49.240 And we could say

00:26:50.080 all day it's helping.

00:26:51.160 We could say all day

00:26:52.040 it's a hoax.

00:26:52.680 We can play it down.

00:26:53.920 We can say,

00:26:54.480 get on with it.

00:26:56.820 Stop talking about it.

00:26:59.400 That isn't going to work

00:27:00.700 with the American people.

00:27:01.820 That might work

00:27:02.540 with an intern.

00:27:03.660 It might work

00:27:04.380 with the senator

00:27:05.060 or the congressperson,

00:27:06.480 but you're dealing

00:27:07.700 with the American people.

00:27:09.120 We're much smarter

00:27:10.360 than you give us credit for.

00:27:12.120 We don't have to flex

00:27:13.500 all the time,

00:27:14.780 but we've been smelling

00:27:17.160 the BS of politics

00:27:18.880 all our lives,

00:27:20.300 and it's all the same 1.00

00:27:23.060 cookie-cutter garbage. 1.00

00:27:24.700 You think you're smarter 1.00

00:27:25.840 than us,

00:27:26.720 you hire someone

00:27:27.820 to throw a coat of paint

00:27:29.960 on it,

00:27:30.380 and then you lie about it,

00:27:32.040 and it ain't going

00:27:33.740 to work anymore.

00:27:35.500 And when you stack

00:27:36.260 some of these things up,

00:27:37.500 like being in Israel,

00:27:39.420 where we shouldn't be,

00:27:40.720 being in the Ukraine,

00:27:42.040 where we shouldn't be,

00:27:43.740 hiding the Epstein files,

00:27:45.760 which we should have released,

00:27:47.840 and the rest of it,

00:27:50.300 it's not an attractive lineup

00:27:54.000 heading into the midterms.

00:27:56.100 I'm just trying to help

00:27:57.520 as a supporter,

00:28:00.340 as a conservative supporter.

00:28:02.500 So when they release

00:28:03.840 the case files tomorrow,

00:28:05.220 supposedly,

00:28:05.940 and I think it's

00:28:06.660 a 50-50 chance,

00:28:08.480 this is a Department of Justice

00:28:09.680 fully detailed investigative file

00:28:11.520 of over 100,000 pages.

00:28:13.400 I've never seen it.

00:28:16.100 Evidence, testimony,

00:28:17.800 additional observations,

00:28:19.220 time stamps,

00:28:20.520 depositions,

00:28:21.520 travel logs,

00:28:22.700 documents,

00:28:24.140 100,000 pages.

00:28:26.260 There might be more

00:28:27.140 emails and text

00:28:28.000 as part of that case file.

00:28:30.060 And this is what

00:28:30.600 the Trump administration,

00:28:31.920 I believe,

00:28:32.920 this is why they've been

00:28:33.720 slow walking

00:28:34.940 or blocking this

00:28:36.280 since the very beginning.

00:28:37.980 I don't think Trump

00:28:39.200 knows what's in this.

00:28:41.880 But I do believe,

00:28:43.580 because I think

00:28:44.360 people have come to him,

00:28:46.140 I think people have come

00:28:47.880 to him from other countries,

00:28:49.020 I think people have come

00:28:49.860 from him from the campaign

00:28:51.780 and from both parties

00:28:53.440 and said,

00:28:54.420 oh my God,

00:28:55.780 I think I might be in there.

00:28:57.760 Well, did you do

00:28:58.300 something wrong?

00:28:59.160 Well, sort of,

00:29:00.200 I'm not meeting up.

00:29:02.020 I think there's a lot

00:29:03.300 of bad actors

00:29:04.700 in these files.

00:29:07.560 And I think Trump

00:29:08.780 just wanted to distance

00:29:09.720 himself from this.

00:29:11.440 I mean, what do you do?

00:29:12.240 What if,

00:29:13.020 let's just say hypothetically,

00:29:15.560 very hypothetically,

00:29:16.920 someone gave millions

00:29:18.040 of dollars to your campaign

00:29:19.460 and then the rumors

00:29:22.180 start circulating

00:29:23.240 because people talk,

00:29:25.060 that's what people talk,

00:29:26.140 that's what they do

00:29:27.440 in the DOJ

00:29:28.720 and the FBI

00:29:29.360 and all the places

00:29:30.800 they're not supposed

00:29:31.580 to run their mouth,

00:29:32.720 they run their mouth

00:29:33.560 like a talk show host.

00:29:36.360 That's our job.

00:29:37.540 It's not your job

00:29:38.360 in the FBI.

00:29:39.540 It's not your job

00:29:40.400 in the DHS.

00:29:41.080 I mean,

00:29:42.360 our government's a sieve

00:29:43.560 as far as security goes

00:29:46.260 and other countries

00:29:47.800 the same thing.

00:29:49.400 What if it got out

00:29:50.280 that one of Trump's

00:29:51.280 big donors

00:29:51.900 was doing some horrible

00:29:54.580 things with a child

00:29:55.900 thanks to Epstein?

00:29:57.980 Well, that's going

00:29:58.980 to be bad.

00:30:01.120 Thomas Massey said

00:30:02.260 he's aware of

00:30:02.820 at least 20 people,

00:30:03.820 politicians,

00:30:04.440 billionaires,

00:30:04.960 movie producers

00:30:05.520 and more,

00:30:06.060 implicated by victims

00:30:07.840 and the FBI

00:30:09.840 has yet to investigate

00:30:11.400 any of those names

00:30:13.960 and that's where

00:30:15.320 Mr. Massey

00:30:17.320 and I

00:30:18.720 are on the exact

00:30:19.460 same page

00:30:20.240 because my thing is

00:30:21.580 you will come

00:30:23.060 after me

00:30:23.760 if a neighbor says

00:30:25.060 I'm inflammatory

00:30:26.700 online

00:30:27.980 or I'm saying

00:30:30.540 the wrong thing

00:30:31.880 about transgenders

00:30:34.040 on my blog

00:30:35.760 but you're not

00:30:37.420 going to go after

00:30:38.360 a bank president

00:30:41.000 when a girl says 1.00

00:30:42.520 he raped me 0.99

00:30:43.540 at 14. 1.00

00:30:45.040 Wake up.

00:30:45.980 You've got to wake up.

00:30:47.180 You're not getting

00:30:47.760 you're going to lose

00:30:48.660 this story.

00:30:49.500 You're going to lose

00:30:50.320 control of this

00:30:52.360 if you don't

00:30:53.760 get it together

00:30:54.660 and I'm thinking

00:30:56.200 before the end of the week.

00:30:57.320 It's Monday, right?

00:30:58.060 So when we come back

00:31:01.380 we're going to talk

00:31:03.180 a little bit about

00:31:03.900 oh this is another

00:31:04.720 great thing

00:31:05.440 that people

00:31:05.900 are going to love.

00:31:08.120 We're going to talk

00:31:09.340 about how fumbled

00:31:10.760 the FBI

00:31:11.480 how they fumbled

00:31:13.340 the Charlie Kirk

00:31:14.160 investigation

00:31:14.740 and how every day

00:31:15.960 new things come out

00:31:16.980 about it

00:31:17.400 and no one in the media

00:31:18.520 is allowed to cover it

00:31:19.700 so they won't

00:31:20.480 and that's what really

00:31:21.740 frustrates me the most.

00:31:23.040 I think as someone

00:31:23.860 who's been in media

00:31:24.640 now 45 years

00:31:26.340 give or take

00:31:27.000 I get so frustrated

00:31:30.000 when I tune into

00:31:31.100 different places

00:31:32.660 and there's not

00:31:34.240 not only is there

00:31:35.140 no truth

00:31:35.660 they're not even

00:31:36.260 covering stories

00:31:37.260 that really

00:31:38.000 impact the future

00:31:39.640 of our republic

00:31:40.380 and I think

00:31:40.880 the assassination

00:31:42.360 and the cold-blooded

00:31:43.580 murder

00:31:44.060 live of Charlie Kirk

00:31:46.260 I think that should

00:31:47.980 that should be like

00:31:49.380 an RFK

00:31:50.540 a Bobby Kennedy

00:31:53.080 assassination investigation

00:31:54.440 that should be

00:31:56.080 the level of it

00:31:57.040 so when we get back

00:31:58.400 I'll tell you

00:31:59.220 a couple things

00:31:59.840 that are

00:32:00.160 allegedly breaking

00:32:02.300 in that case

00:32:03.300 and then you can

00:32:04.740 call your senator

00:32:05.600 or your congressman

00:32:06.500 tomorrow and say

00:32:07.220 hey

00:32:07.480 why aren't you guys

00:32:08.800 doing anything

00:32:09.760 like anything

00:32:11.700 about anything

00:32:13.060 800-848-9222

00:32:16.540 I'm never going to

00:32:17.840 get another

00:32:18.300 congressional interview

00:32:19.760 again

00:32:20.240 it's Ken Matthews

00:32:21.920 in for Roger Stone

00:32:22.900 in the Stone Zone

00:32:23.680 we'll be right back

00:32:26.080 The Stone Zone

00:32:29.300 entertaining

00:32:30.340 and informative

00:32:31.580 on the Red Apple

00:32:32.700 Podcast Network

00:32:34.000 the number is

00:32:35.400 800-848-9222

00:32:38.540 and I will gladly

00:32:40.860 give out my

00:32:41.640 personal email

00:32:42.540 for Ken Matthews

00:32:44.160 and my podcast

00:32:45.100 just because

00:32:45.960 if you can't

00:32:46.720 get to me tonight

00:32:47.620 and you want to

00:32:48.980 troll me or stalk me

00:32:50.120 Ken

00:32:51.260 at

00:32:52.540 KenMatthewsMedia.com

00:32:54.240 if you want to

00:32:54.900 weigh in

00:32:55.360 and sometimes

00:32:56.340 you know

00:32:56.740 this hour

00:32:57.400 goes so fast

00:32:58.820 just goes by

00:33:00.000 so quickly

00:33:00.760 but we

00:33:02.360 cover a lot

00:33:03.400 and just

00:33:04.480 to wrap up

00:33:05.620 I just want to

00:33:07.240 point out

00:33:08.700 something that

00:33:09.780 President Trump

00:33:12.040 said

00:33:12.340 in his statement

00:33:13.680 on Truth Social

00:33:14.680 when he said

00:33:15.340 you know

00:33:16.540 regarding

00:33:17.080 the Epstein files

00:33:19.120 supposedly being

00:33:20.200 released tomorrow

00:33:20.860 and I'm

00:33:21.360 fingers are crossed

00:33:22.200 it's time to

00:33:23.500 move on

00:33:23.960 from this

00:33:24.400 Democrat

00:33:24.940 hoax

00:33:25.640 perpetrated

00:33:26.460 by radical 1.00

00:33:27.220 left lunatics 0.99

00:33:28.240 in order to 0.98

00:33:29.600 deflect from

00:33:30.300 the great

00:33:30.780 success

00:33:31.360 of the

00:33:31.780 Republican

00:33:32.180 Party

00:33:32.620 see I

00:33:33.600 would have

00:33:34.020 recommended

00:33:35.200 against that

00:33:35.740 I know

00:33:35.980 that's a

00:33:36.300 talking point

00:33:36.940 and that's

00:33:37.780 what most

00:33:38.200 talk show

00:33:38.660 hosts are

00:33:39.160 adhering to

00:33:39.840 the reason

00:33:40.980 I don't

00:33:41.320 like that

00:33:41.820 is because

00:33:42.280 it's

00:33:42.980 bull

00:33:43.520 because

00:33:44.900 this should

00:33:45.880 have been

00:33:46.100 released

00:33:46.480 a long

00:33:46.820 time ago

00:33:47.380 and

00:33:48.160 the

00:33:48.720 president

00:33:49.100 could have

00:33:49.600 released

00:33:49.980 it

00:33:50.240 in January

00:33:51.600 of this

00:33:52.060 year

00:33:52.360 so

00:33:53.120 at the

00:33:53.640 end of

00:33:53.860 the day

00:33:54.300 it has

00:33:55.020 nothing

00:33:55.420 to do

00:33:56.020 with

00:33:56.320 a deflection

00:33:57.120 from

00:33:58.240 things

00:33:59.200 that you've

00:33:59.680 done

00:34:00.020 in fact

00:34:00.860 it's

00:34:02.000 actually

00:34:03.060 damaging

00:34:04.500 the momentum

00:34:05.320 of pardoning

00:34:06.440 the Jan

00:34:06.820 Sixers

00:34:07.260 which you

00:34:07.720 did

00:34:08.060 early on

00:34:09.580 and deporting

00:34:10.440 illegals 0.93

00:34:10.900 which you

00:34:11.260 did a

00:34:11.520 phenomenal

00:34:11.900 job of

00:34:12.540 and cleaning

00:34:13.100 up our

00:34:13.520 cities

00:34:14.000 which you

00:34:15.060 did a

00:34:15.320 phenomenal

00:34:15.700 job of

00:34:16.360 and raising

00:34:17.020 the morale

00:34:18.160 of troops

00:34:20.300 and enlistment

00:34:21.600 and law

00:34:22.120 enforcement

00:34:22.680 I mean

00:34:23.640 there's a

00:34:24.020 reason so

00:34:24.700 many people

00:34:25.180 voted for

00:34:25.680 President

00:34:26.020 Trump

00:34:26.440 but

00:34:27.720 this

00:34:28.660 again

00:34:29.400 you gotta

00:34:30.180 get this

00:34:31.060 fixed

00:34:31.420 and this

00:34:31.940 is what

00:34:32.240 they do

00:34:32.820 this is

00:34:34.200 what they

00:34:34.600 always do

00:34:35.880 they release

00:34:36.740 something

00:34:37.580 and they

00:34:38.120 do a

00:34:38.420 bait and

00:34:38.780 switch

00:34:39.180 and they

00:34:40.220 did this

00:34:40.700 with the

00:34:41.740 election

00:34:42.380 in 2020

00:34:43.080 they kept

00:34:44.580 saying

00:34:44.920 60 courts

00:34:46.560 have said

00:34:47.040 it wasn't

00:34:48.320 there wasn't

00:34:48.760 even enough

00:34:49.320 evidence

00:34:49.900 no

00:34:50.300 60 courts

00:34:51.380 didn't allow

00:34:52.500 the evidence

00:34:53.560 in

00:34:54.100 so there's

00:34:55.180 a big

00:34:55.480 difference

00:34:56.240 this is

00:34:56.960 the game

00:34:57.660 that the

00:34:58.100 media

00:34:58.460 and the

00:34:58.900 government

00:34:59.260 plays

00:34:59.920 we thought

00:35:00.840 we kept

00:35:01.280 thinking

00:35:02.260 every time

00:35:03.420 some emails

00:35:04.260 were released

00:35:05.040 from

00:35:05.500 Epstein

00:35:07.160 that that

00:35:08.600 was the

00:35:09.020 files

00:35:09.400 that was

00:35:09.900 the case

00:35:10.520 so people

00:35:11.300 could argue

00:35:11.860 see

00:35:12.380 so and so

00:35:13.700 did this

00:35:14.200 so and so

00:35:14.700 didn't do

00:35:15.100 that

00:35:15.360 what's his

00:35:15.720 name

00:35:15.880 did that

00:35:16.440 but we

00:35:17.400 still don't

00:35:18.080 have the

00:35:18.460 files yet

00:35:19.300 and when

00:35:20.380 was the

00:35:20.700 trial again

00:35:21.400 oh yeah

00:35:22.580 2019

00:35:23.780 okay

00:35:24.900 so you

00:35:26.000 can't do

00:35:26.740 that anymore

00:35:27.280 you just

00:35:27.720 can't keep

00:35:28.460 saying it

00:35:29.140 it's just

00:35:29.740 like with

00:35:30.080 Charlie Kirk

00:35:30.800 I mean

00:35:31.800 is anybody

00:35:32.520 talking about

00:35:33.300 the Egyptian

00:35:33.840 military planes

00:35:35.040 that were

00:35:36.260 over Utah

00:35:37.060 around Charlie

00:35:38.740 Kirk's

00:35:39.380 death

00:35:40.160 date

00:35:40.820 and

00:35:42.080 from

00:35:42.540 2022

00:35:43.080 to 2025

00:35:44.120 tracking

00:35:45.660 elements

00:35:47.240 of

00:35:47.800 TPUSA

00:35:49.020 is anybody

00:35:49.480 even

00:35:49.780 mentioned

00:35:50.180 that

00:35:50.440 are you

00:35:50.680 going to

00:35:50.880 investigate

00:35:51.280 it

00:35:51.580 you're

00:35:51.760 going to

00:35:51.920 vet it

00:35:52.340 it's

00:35:53.860 amazing

00:35:54.440 to me

00:35:55.060 that to

00:35:56.000 me is

00:35:56.400 this

00:35:57.240 Charlie Kirk

00:35:58.140 story

00:35:58.580 is so

00:35:59.720 big

00:36:00.220 and it's

00:36:01.500 so important

00:36:02.380 to the

00:36:03.400 future

00:36:03.860 of

00:36:05.020 not only

00:36:06.000 the country

00:36:06.680 from a

00:36:07.500 from a

00:36:07.920 the

00:36:08.860 standpoint

00:36:09.480 of justice

00:36:10.140 but

00:36:11.200 to the

00:36:11.820 Republican

00:36:12.260 Party

00:36:12.820 I mean

00:36:13.840 I say

00:36:14.200 to the

00:36:14.460 Republican

00:36:14.860 leadership

00:36:15.440 get your

00:36:16.040 head

00:36:16.400 out of

00:36:16.900 your 0.99

00:36:17.080 rectum 0.99

00:36:17.620 do you

00:36:18.920 want to

00:36:19.280 save the

00:36:19.800 republic

00:36:20.200 and save

00:36:20.980 this

00:36:21.260 party

00:36:21.660 and get

00:36:23.380 through the

00:36:23.820 midterms

00:36:24.380 or not

00:36:24.980 you better

00:36:26.060 refocus

00:36:27.040 I mean

00:36:31.900 I'd love to

00:36:32.620 fly up there

00:36:33.220 and explain

00:36:33.740 it to you

00:36:34.180 but I

00:36:34.540 I don't

00:36:35.260 have the

00:36:35.680 kind of

00:36:36.040 cash

00:36:36.460 that you're

00:36:36.880 paying

00:36:37.080 everybody else

00:36:37.860 to talk

00:36:38.320 the way

00:36:38.620 you want

00:36:39.040 to

00:36:39.300 but have

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