The Stone Zone ｜ 11-20-25
Episode Stats
Summary
The Stone Zone is a weekly political podcast produced and hosted by Ken Matthews. This week, Ken is joined by Roger Ailes to talk about the Epstein scandal, the Trump administration's response to the scandal, and much more.
Transcript
00:00:00.000
The Black Friday BOGO sale is here at All Family Pharmacy.
00:00:04.100
And let me tell you, this is the kind of deal that actually matters.
00:00:07.520
From November 24th through December 2nd, when you buy one ivermectin, hydrochloroquine, or mebenzadol, you'll get another one free.
00:00:14.720
At a time when Americans are tired of being lectured to and restricted by bureaucrats, this is your chance to be prepared on your terms.
00:00:21.960
No politics. No gatekeepers. Just real options that put you in control.
00:00:26.680
Here's how simple it is. Go to allfamilypharmacy.com slash stone.
00:00:31.300
Place your order online and a licensed physician reviews it.
00:00:34.200
Once approved, your medication ships straight to your door. Fast, private, and secure.
00:00:39.040
This Black Friday event lasts one week only and supplies are limited.
00:00:42.720
When inventory's gone, that's it. No extensions, no second chances.
00:00:46.400
If you want to stay ready, stay protected, and stay independent, go to allfamilypharmacy.com slash stone before December 2nd and lock in your Black Friday BOGO deal.
00:00:56.180
Take control of your health. Stay prepared. Stay free.
00:01:00.960
At Desjardins, we speak business. We speak equipment modernization.
00:01:06.080
We're fluent in data digitization and expansion into foreign markets.
00:01:09.980
And we can talk all day about streamlining manufacturing processes.
00:01:14.260
Because at Desjardins Business, we speak the same language you do. Business.
00:01:18.260
So join the more than 400,000 Canadian entrepreneurs who already count on us and contact Desjardins today.
00:01:27.540
Thank you again for joining us here in the Stone Zone.
00:01:40.280
Roger is still out, and he should be back soon.
00:01:45.660
It's just really been so much fun having the opportunity and the privilege to talk to his audience all week.
00:02:01.000
Thursday, November 20th, some good news happening in Washington, which is rare.
00:02:05.940
But, well, let's start with something that I was happy to see this.
00:02:16.200
Trump's doing some things with energy that I'm very excited about.
00:02:20.040
Obviously, there are some things happening in Congress that's, well, there's some entertaining things.
00:02:27.100
There's that big investigation that I'm very excited about down in Florida.
00:02:30.900
The Congresswoman, Sheila McCormick, charged with stealing $5 million in COVID aid funds.
00:02:47.940
I used to live in Fort Lauderdale very many, many, many years ago.
00:02:51.960
I mean, I was just a lad, a small lad at the time.
00:03:02.760
We still haven't gotten a clean read on the Epstein files.
00:03:05.920
I don't think that will happen until early next week.
00:03:10.060
But I did want to point out the fact that everybody's trying to get, and this is a game that certain groups and organizations,
00:03:19.760
sometimes political parties or entities, like to play.
00:03:23.080
And it's called, if you associate with someone that we don't like, you're in trouble.
00:03:34.600
And I'm talking about Nick Fuentes being on Tucker Carlson's show, which I saw the interview.
00:03:47.320
And this is what CBS had to say about it when President Donald Trump did not take the bait.
00:03:54.180
Some Republicans, including one-time ally Marjorie Taylor Greene, over the Epstein files,
00:03:59.240
he has also weighed in gently on another Republican feud, whether it was wrong or in any way inappropriate
00:04:07.900
or politically tone-deaf for Tucker Carlson to interview white nationalist Nick Fuentes.
00:04:18.540
We've had some great interviews with Tucker Carlson, but you can't tell him who to interview him.
00:04:23.280
And if he wants to interview Nick Fuentes, I don't know much about him, but if he wants to do it, get the word out.
00:04:35.240
Those words certainly caught Fuentes' attentions.
00:04:38.240
He went to social media, rather, and said, thank you, the president.
00:04:42.500
I was watching Nick the other night, and he was very happy to see that the president didn't get in line with so many other Republicans.
00:04:52.200
So many are unclear on what they're even talking about often and just attack because they were told to attack.
00:05:06.540
You hear a lot of people say they're a constitutionalist, and they're a purist when they come to the Constitution,
00:05:12.000
and this is what the founding fathers would want.
00:05:16.300
It's the First and Second Amendment are the most abused, in my opinion,
00:05:20.140
and then followed by the Fourth, the Fifth, and the Tenth in that order.
00:05:27.200
But First and Second have always been abused, and they're very selectively abused.
00:05:31.560
I mean, every month we lose more Second Amendment rights.
00:05:35.960
We have a right, and it shall not be infringed to bear arms.
00:05:46.840
There's a new limit on how many bullets I can have in my magazine or how long the barrel can be or, you know.
00:05:54.140
And it's the same with the First Amendment, too.
00:06:07.120
As long as you or I am not breaking the law with our speech, which is very difficult to do,
00:06:15.680
and that's why they keep making up new rules and regulations and censorship, then it is considered free speech.
00:06:29.520
And it was funny because I forget the guy's name on CBS.
00:06:33.900
It's so hard to keep track of some of those liars on the different networks.
00:06:41.040
But you could see how he was unsure how to cover the story because he said, well, that's all that Trump said.
00:06:48.760
Because people have reached out to President Trump just like they've reached out to J.D. Vance two nights ago.
00:06:56.480
A bunch of donors and fundraisers reached out to J.D. Vance, and then they went on record and said,
00:07:03.080
we're so disappointed that J.D. Vance has not denounced Tucker Carlson.
00:07:10.420
Why would you denounce Tucker Carlson other than the fact that he has a guest that you don't like on?
00:07:18.960
I could understand if you denounce a corrupt congressperson or you denounce a pedophile
00:07:25.300
or you denounce someone who's embezzling money from Congress.
00:07:29.080
But why in the hell are political people expected to denounce members of the media
00:07:37.280
if other political people have a problem with the content of their opinion?
00:07:49.780
Because I keep running into Republicans that don't understand it.
00:07:54.540
and they're missing the boat and we're coming up to the midterms
00:07:59.140
and there's people on the right and people on the left
00:08:02.780
that are extremely aware of how our free speech is being limited.
00:08:21.920
I've never said it should be canceled in my life.
00:08:26.520
I've never said anyone or anything should be canceled.
00:08:43.600
or any number of people that seem to have people in a panic,
00:08:54.200
You want to see ratings like you've never seen before in your life?
00:09:04.760
Put anybody you want against Tucker or Nick or any number of people.
00:09:12.020
Everybody talks about Ben Shapiro, how he's a debating wizard.
00:09:35.380
I bet you'd have more people watching Ben Shapiro and Nick Fuentes' debate
00:09:48.620
Now, don't call up and start putting words in my mouth
00:09:58.760
I've watched people do it to people in the media.
00:10:07.480
and, you know, the people that challenge the election.
00:10:19.680
And I don't know how many times we have to have this discussion as adults
00:10:33.120
You will not take away my First or Second Amendment rights.
00:10:38.080
You've stripped me of so many others in the financial world,
00:10:45.940
And most of us are in that category, believe it or not.
00:10:49.800
We have people in this country that still walk around thinking
00:11:35.220
I wonder if a consultant charged them to come up with this name.
00:11:39.180
Why don't we call it the Crane Clean Energy Center?
00:11:47.700
I've got to tell you, Nuke Energy, it's among the cleanest.
00:11:53.360
We need more nuclear power plants and less solar farms.
00:12:06.340
And most people don't even know that it's running some of the major pieces of equipment
00:12:19.160
Now, the down part of it is, and there's always a downside.
00:12:22.040
This is the problem with doing complete research and not just taking the headline off of TikTok.
00:12:27.780
The reason they're doing this is because, you know, Microsoft is putting a huge AI data center in Pennsylvania,
00:12:37.080
I'm not thrilled about the giant data centers because they chew up a lot of land and they chew up a ton of energy.
00:12:43.380
And several more states, I don't have the list in front of me,
00:12:47.500
are suggesting a smart meter or some version of a smart meter in the states,
00:12:58.500
There's now five, I think six in total, states bringing in these AI data centers that are going to take a ton of energy.
00:13:10.780
Well, we're going to restart some Nuke plants, which I agree with.
00:13:15.600
And I also think that we should look for, we should always look for alternatives.
00:13:25.180
And that's something that President Trump promised, and he's delivering on that, too.
00:13:34.160
He announced plans for new oil drilling off the coast of California and Florida.
00:13:47.040
You know, you can have one or two oil rigs out there,
00:13:50.900
or you can have hundreds of those ugly, obnoxious turbines,
00:13:57.560
those giant fans that really don't work if it's not windy.
00:14:02.540
It's kind of like the solar panel's not working if it's not sunny.
00:14:07.860
I have a little solar panel pack on the back of my phone.
00:14:13.620
I was in New York a few months ago, and my phone went dead.
00:14:25.080
This ridiculousness that solar panels are running entire companies in entire cities,
00:14:32.160
Look deeper at what's really backing those plants up and what's really running those plants.
00:14:36.860
Anyway, love to hear your thoughts on where we are so far.
00:14:44.020
We're in the Stone Zone, and we'll be right back.
00:15:22.980
it's always a pleasure to be with Roger's audience on the Red Apple Audio Networks.
00:15:41.720
You know, one of the great things about capitalism is you can never end up with a guy like Mandani running a Fortune 500 company.
00:15:51.760
I wanted to address this idea of magnifying the voices of extremists in America.
00:15:58.380
The majority of Americans, unfortunately, are followers.
00:16:05.100
And the idea of taking the extremes and magnifying them because they're going to be good ratings is the mentality of TikTok.
00:16:20.000
Well, no, the challenge is where the challenge is, and you bring up an interesting point.
00:16:24.940
But TikTok and Facebook are what people that are against free speech limit some of these opposing voices to.
00:16:34.120
I'd like to see both, for example, I use Ben Shapiro and Nick as an example.
00:16:44.380
And what a way to sharpen your own beliefs and get your message out.
00:16:53.200
I mean, it's real easy to speak for an hour and trash someone.
00:16:58.280
But what if you spoke for two hours and you went back and forth respectfully and talked about what the issues are?
00:17:07.500
Friction is good because ultimately, if you believe in science and in the Bible, there was a big explosion.
00:17:15.860
But what we need to do is have a meaningful dialogue that used to happen 30 years ago in the Congress between the Republicans and Democrats, not between a racist neo-Nazi.
00:17:29.880
So, see, you haven't seen or heard enough of Nick because you call him a racist neo-Nazi.
00:17:48.440
You know, I haven't listened to enough of him, to be honest.
00:17:58.040
So, if he's really a racist and a Nazi and this horrible hellscape captain that everybody keeps calling him,
00:18:06.640
what better opportunity than for Ben Shapiro to get on stage in front of a massive American audience and discuss it?
00:18:15.520
I mean, if, look, if Nick Fuentes is a bonafide racist that wants to undermine America,
00:18:24.760
you would think Ben Shapiro could neutralize him in 15 minutes.
00:18:36.380
Nothing gives you more momentum for your beliefs than a debate.
00:19:09.220
I'm all over social media if you want to troll me or engage.
00:19:15.280
Or if you want to email me directly, because I live in a van down by the river, I don't have a station email,
00:19:21.920
so you can email me ken at kenmatthewsmedia.com.
00:19:28.020
And that goes right into the white van I have down by the river.
00:19:35.880
Anyway, very quickly, and I was just discussing this with our producer, I want to mention this before we go back to the phones.
00:19:44.200
The wife of the astronaut that pleaded guilty to falsely alleging crime in space.
00:19:53.260
I think it's a fabulous story, and it's the kind of story that, you know, that's just the kind of story.
00:19:59.200
As a speaker, that's something that I would have, like, in my folder if I was talking to an audience.
00:20:07.460
It's a former Air Force intelligence officer pleaded guilty last week to lying to law enforcement.
00:20:14.160
She falsely accused her lesbian lover, who happens to be an astronaut, of illegally accessing her bank account from space.
00:20:36.460
I don't know if, is that, could that be a Netflix show, or is it a, I hope it's not a dirty movie,
00:20:43.160
but Summer Heather Warden, 50, faces up to five years in prison and a quarter million dollar fine.
00:20:49.640
It's the end of a year-long bitter legal dispute between Ms. Warden, a decorated intelligence officer in the Air Force,
00:20:57.040
and her lover, a West Point graduate and U.S. Army colonel who joined NASA in 2013.
00:21:05.580
Ms. Warden's allegations, which she made in 2019, was on the International Space Station.
00:21:11.480
Colonel McClain was on the International Space Station, and she said,
00:21:16.400
you know, I think this, I think my lover, my ex-wife, is trying to hack my bank account from space.
00:21:32.120
I mean, there's nothing funny about a lover's quarrel.
00:21:55.020
Let's go to Mary if she's still there in Connecticut.
00:22:08.880
I just wanted to know very quickly, you keep on talking about the midterm elections.
00:22:13.040
How much trouble are the Republicans really in?
00:22:16.860
I think they're doing a good job covering it up, but I've seen internal polls,
00:22:23.360
and the bottom has fallen out of 30 and under, and it's kind of like a similar pattern to
00:22:29.700
what happened in New York, 30 and under kind of, and the same thing happened in Jersey and
00:22:37.220
So there's this awakening happening among young people, and the irony, here's the good part.
00:22:43.800
The good part is a lot of the younger people are becoming more nationalist in America first,
00:22:50.420
but they're disgusted with both the Democrats and the Republicans for not doing that enough.
00:22:56.820
For example, polls are showing a lot of Republican and Democrat young people do not want us in the
00:23:03.120
They do not want us in the Middle East, and there's a lot of things that people are agreeing on,
00:23:09.580
and they're deciding, hey, why don't we team up in the midterms and send a message to both the parties?
00:23:18.540
Also, older people are frustrated because I don't think they are seeing the results of Trump's policies
00:23:25.240
yet, and I understand that it's going to take a while.
00:23:29.180
You know, I understand you just can't come in and change the economy overnight.
00:23:37.340
Because you know as well as I do that if, God forbid, the Democrats win,
00:23:42.580
it's just going to be Trump impeachment syndrome 2.5 million.
00:23:46.860
Oh, it's going to, oh my God, it's going to be worse than that.
00:23:49.980
It's going to be, it's going to be a freak show is what it's going to be.
00:23:55.560
The first thing I would do, I really, we need to get a grip on this America first thing,
00:24:01.260
and we need to, there's so many rhinos, I hate the term rhino,
00:24:06.260
but there's so many people in the Republican Party that are not really putting America first,
00:24:12.880
and Trump still has some snakes in his administration.
00:24:16.900
I think we need to fight to defend free speech.
00:24:21.480
I need, we need to get off this, the Israel first campaign,
00:24:28.920
and just, you know, let the chips fall where they may as far as people's opinions.
00:24:34.100
As long as people are not breaking the law, it's, you know, people are,
00:24:41.280
the Israel lobby has become obsessed with controlling the policies
00:24:48.400
and the direction of some of our foreign policy,
00:24:53.020
and I got to tell you, I'm outside of the bubble.
00:24:57.820
I'm not in the wealth bubble or the political bubble,
00:25:01.100
and Republicans and Democrats cannot stand that.
00:25:06.680
There is a, who in the heck does this guy think he is
00:25:15.060
And how the Republicans are missing that, I don't know.
00:25:24.560
Like, but then should we just let Israel go and just finish the job with Hamas?
00:25:40.060
But the one thing that I have a problem with, I'll give you a good example.
00:25:43.980
Zelensky just invested $500 million of his own money
00:25:53.000
So that's what's happening in the Ukraine war right now.
00:26:00.640
Zelensky isn't running around in his T-shirt looking like he's a rebel
00:26:08.320
He's becoming a bigger billionaire while his people suffer and the Russians suffer.
00:26:14.640
So I just think we need to get out of the Ukraine and we have to,
00:26:25.480
So, I mean, I think if you're, if you're a drug boat and you're within our borders
00:26:38.160
If we can see you on radar and you've got drugs, then we should blow you up.
00:26:43.560
But we shouldn't head over to the coast of Venezuela and start poking that bear.
00:27:12.120
Congressional Republicans have banned Dan Crenshaw.
00:27:19.180
I have a couple people deeply embedded in the Pentagon.
00:27:27.280
I just know a few people that work on the Hill,
00:27:28.960
and they can usually confirm or deny something for me,
00:27:55.200
I put it on my Twitter if you want to check it out.
00:28:05.080
because I think he's a former Navy SEAL, right?
00:28:16.020
Dan, Dan, you really, you ripped the place up, buddy,
00:28:22.500
Why don't you stay in America and do that for the next three months?
00:28:27.900
And then, as I mentioned at the top of the show tonight,
00:28:30.480
Democrat Sheila McCormick charged with stealing $5 million in COVID aid funds.
00:28:42.400
And, you know, every time I see or hear of a scam like this,
00:28:49.420
I think of a low-income elderly person who may have been injured
00:28:59.260
and all they need is they need some help with their heat or with their food.
00:29:18.260
and, you know, the billion dollars lost every year in this department
00:29:23.240
and the $400 million unaccounted for in the Defense Department this year.
00:29:30.360
Most Americans, regardless of what your political ideology is,
00:29:35.020
if someone said, hey, there's a house burned down at the end of the street,
00:29:45.480
Look at what America gives to charity worldwide.
00:29:49.080
I guess the issue I have is people at the very top
00:29:52.600
taking your money and my money and deciding what they're going to do with it.
00:29:56.440
Because if you look at the churches and the synagogues and the mosques
00:30:00.400
and other entities across this country in their communities,
00:30:15.180
big business does step up and they do create foundations.
00:30:19.400
And they do support hospitals where children can get care if they can't afford it.
00:30:24.960
And then I see some scumbag in our government grifting millions of dollars.
00:30:34.960
Some of that money was then illegally contributed to her 2021 congressional campaign.
00:30:38.960
According to the DOJ, she's been under investigation for a year.
00:30:46.160
It's so easy to scam in Washington because so many people are doing it.
00:30:55.180
It's not like you're surrounded by a bunch of people that have the courage to say,
00:31:13.020
what if Sheila calls out me about the time I did this or that?
00:31:18.620
This is the whole point of getting people with morals and ethics into our government.
00:31:24.740
And if you read the Founding Fathers throughout the writings of the Founding Fathers,
00:31:31.000
whether it's letters of correspondence, whether it's books, whether it's documents,
00:31:34.580
they're talking about this country, this Constitution, the Declaration,
00:31:38.400
it was designed for a moral people, an ethical people, a Christian people,
00:31:42.720
people that feared God and believed in God and respected fellow human beings.
00:31:51.900
We have snakes and criminals because, again, the government is the greatest grift going.
00:31:58.000
It used to be like, you know, you can get a job here, get a job there, and kind of coast.
00:32:13.160
And it's the dedicated men and women that are holding this government together
00:32:18.560
with chewing gum and rubber bands and a paper clip, if it was MacGyver,
00:32:27.360
But we have to pay attention to this stuff and continue to drain the swamp.
00:32:38.040
And I've lost a few Republican friends over the years.
00:32:45.420
Bush, Biden, and former Vice Presidents honor Dick Cheney.
00:32:51.060
I didn't even know his funeral was today in D.C.
00:33:01.640
But anyway, political figures from across the aisle gathered Thursday to, you know,
00:33:15.260
Sending off a key figure of the pre-MAGA Republican political party.
00:33:21.180
You know, here's what I think is going through the late Dick Cheney's head right now.
00:33:36.300
By the way, President Trump and J.D. Vance were not invited, nor did they attend the service,
00:34:20.660
Is the person on the phone that wanted about the meeting tomorrow with Mondami,
00:34:33.400
You had a thought about the President Trump-Mondami meeting?
00:34:40.440
I was wondering how you think he's going to square it up,
00:34:43.440
especially given what you mentioned about the American taxpayer willing to help people
00:34:48.660
that are in need, which certainly will be in New York, and Trump is from New York.
00:35:00.060
And how do you see the outcome with regards to finance and taxpayer funds towards New York?
00:35:10.960
I am from Jersey, so don't hold that against me.
00:35:13.820
And I can't even imagine what Donald Trump has on his plate.
00:35:18.120
However, I do believe Trump is still trying to be America first.
00:35:29.060
And if I was President Trump, I would say this nicely, but in private, off the record.
00:35:40.820
There have been things that may not have been getting attention in New York that you're passionate about.
00:35:49.160
But if you violate the Constitution, we'll be visiting you.
00:35:58.440
And I would also say that, you know, I think that Trump likes to help people, too, especially in New York.
00:36:07.120
And that was a great point that you brought up, Jack, because Trump's a New Yorker.
00:36:13.540
I don't think it's an opportunity that we should say, OK, Mom Donnie, why don't you get all socialist?
00:36:19.640
I think he should quietly take him aside and say, all right, you're in the driver's seat now.
00:36:30.200
But if you start some, you know what, in New York, it's not going to end well.
00:36:36.300
Because we'll come in and help New York take New York back.
00:36:40.940
But I don't think we should just, like, bury the guy day one.
00:36:48.160
And I really hope that the media gives Trump some due if it works out that way.
00:36:55.180
Because, I mean, my gosh, all the things that he has done, he still doesn't get anything, any recognition.
00:37:08.540
And, you know, whether it makes people uncomfortable or not, Mom Donnie won.
00:37:24.600
So, hopefully, President Trump will see that as a bellwether.
00:37:33.140
We don't have anybody under 30 that's locked into America First.
00:37:36.680
This is an opportunity, I think, to support the administration of New York as long as it stays on the New Yorker, America First track.
00:37:47.260
I mean, what a great way to shore up the midterms, right?
00:37:57.680
I always wonder what it would be like to be in Trump's shoes.
00:38:02.860
Solid gold shoes with solid gold curtains and a solid gold toilet in a solid gold plane.
00:38:23.900
Thanks for listening to The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:38:29.500
You can hear The Stone Zone with Roger Stone weeknights at 8 on 77 WABC.
00:38:35.740
If you like the podcast, share it with your friends and listen anytime at WABCradio.com
00:38:44.320
Hit that subscribe button on all major podcast platforms.
00:38:47.460
Plus, follow WABC on social, on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and X.
00:38:53.400
See you next time for a new episode so you never have to wonder.
00:38:59.620
The Black Friday BOGO sale is here at All Family Pharmacy.
00:39:03.680
And let me tell you, this is the kind of deal that actually matters.
00:39:07.080
From November 24th through December 2nd, when you buy one ivermectin, hydrochloroquine, or mabenzadol,
00:39:14.280
At a time when Americans are tired of being lectured to and restricted by bureaucrats,
00:39:18.520
this is your chance to be prepared on your terms.
00:39:21.320
No politics, no gatekeepers, just real options that put you in control.
00:39:30.900
Place your order online and a licensed physician reviews it.
00:39:33.780
Once approved, your medication ships straight to your door.
00:39:38.620
This Black Friday event lasts one week only and supplies are limited.
00:39:45.720
If you want to stay ready, stay protected, and stay independent,
00:39:49.080
go to allfamilypharmacy.com slash stone before December 2nd