Derek Gibson joins Roger Stone in The Stone Zone to discuss why more and more Black Americans are turning toward Donald Trump, and why it s not because of his race, but because of what he sees as a betrayal by the Democratic Party by President Joe Biden and his embrace of illegal aliens. Stone and his co-host Troy Smith discuss the growing dissatisfaction with the status quo in the urban areas of America, and what it means for the future of the Black community and the country as a whole, especially in the face of growing anti-Trump sentiment in the black community and among other minority groups. Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents, is a New York Times bestselling author, and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society. Due to his four plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Roger Stone has become a pop culture icon. And now, here s your host, your host Roger Stone: . Roger Stone is yet again in the Stone Zone with the legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone! And now here's your host Troy Smith, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot News: and as always, it's an honor to have Roger Stone on The Stonezone with Roger Stone, a show you don't want to miss! - it's a must-listen to The StoneZONE with the greatest political strategist in the land of the rising from the heartland. . And now you know what's going on in America's most important to the rest of the country? This is not only about Donald Trump's 2020 presidential campaign, but also about what s going to happen in 2020, 2020 is going to be the year of 2020, and it's going to look like in 2020 and 2020 and the year that will be the most important election in the coming decade in the next decade, and the decade after 2020, the year to come after 2020 and beyond. The 2020 election, 2020 will be a year to watch out for in 2020. and the 2020 election is a year that's coming up, and we're going to find out who's gonna be the best in 2020 in 2020 the year you can count on, and who's the most powerful man in the country, the most influential person in 2020!
00:30:16.620Welcome back, folks. If you're just tuning in, this is the Stone Zone. You're in it.
00:30:38.240And I'm here with my co-host, Troy Smith of Slingshot.News. Troy, yesterday, Michael Cohen had
00:30:48.220his long expected testimony in a Manhattan courtroom. And it's very hard, of course, because cameras are
00:30:58.120not allowed in the courtroom. So you're not allowed to actually see his testimony. But strangely enough,
00:31:05.300I read a terrific piece in the New York Post by Jonathan Turley, the professor of law at George
00:31:13.340Washington University, certainly not a Trump supporter, not a conservative, not a Republican.
00:31:20.580I think the most objective legal analyst out there, he said that Cohen really did not lay a finger on
00:31:29.560Trump, that Cohen added nothing, provided no documentation or evidence that Trump himself
00:31:35.840was involved in this scheme to reach an NDA with the adult movie actress Stormy Daniels.
00:31:46.160Cohen said a number of interesting things. He said Trump did not want salacious lies published during
00:31:53.420the election. That's not a crime. Cohen said that Trump's sole focus was getting elected. That's
00:32:02.340not a crime, and it's obvious. Cohen said that Trump told him that women were more attracted to Trump
00:32:13.160than they were to the Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. I think I spelled that right.
00:32:19.700That's objectively true, but that's not a crime either. And we learned that the non-disclosure
00:32:26.480agreement with Stormy Daniels was actually Michael Cohen's idea, not Donald Trump's idea. What was
00:32:36.200your takeaway? Well, Roger, the main thing about Michael Cohen I think people need to understand is
00:32:41.520here's a guy that's on TikTok streaming, accepting donations for handing out information about President
00:32:48.680Trump. And it's something that I think we've highlighted here a lot. And we also highlighted
00:32:53.800with the legend Bubba the Love Sponge, the questions about Keith Davidson and Stormy Daniels. So
00:33:00.400to me, Roger, this looks like just a continuation of witnesses who really, you know, have no
00:33:07.020credibility. And I'm interested to hear your thoughts on that as well, because it seems to me that the point
00:33:11.780of this trial is not really to land a deadly punch as much as it is to create a media controversy that
00:33:19.380can be used against the president in this election. What are your thoughts on that?
00:33:23.180Well, you're absolutely right. On this show, Bubba Clem exposed the fact that Keith Davidson,
00:33:32.100who was the lawyer for Stormy Daniels, who testified earlier in this Manhattan trial,
00:33:37.340had actually been arrested by the FBI in a sting when they targeted a ring that was seeking to extort
00:33:48.320Hulk Hogan over a sex tape. When the blackmailers approached Hogan, he went directly to the FBI.
00:33:56.220They set up this elaborate sting and Keith Davidson was among those busted. Davidson, according to Clem,
00:34:04.000then basically gave them all of his email with Michael Cohn, identified the transaction with Stormy
00:34:13.220Daniels, and we believe agreed to testify in the Manhattan trial. Now, yesterday, Cohn testified that
00:34:21.720he voluntarily took out a home equity line of credit to pay Stormy Daniels under the terms of the
00:34:30.080non-disclosure agreement, that he did not consult with Trump or even his own wife about taking out
00:34:37.400that line of credit, that he set up a company called Essentials Consulting LLC, again, without the
00:34:48.420knowledge of Trump, in order to open a bank account to funnel these payments to who? Keith Davidson,
00:34:56.800his co-conspirator. So it looks to me like Bragg indicted the wrong guy. That's how I look at it.
00:35:04.980Well, it seems that we're getting to that truth. And I just wonder, you know, with the way that this
00:35:09.960is set up, Roger, do you think that will matter in the end? Or do you think that at the end of the day,
00:35:14.620this is just about damaging Trump politically? That's what it looks like to me.
00:35:17.600The trial has three purposes. One, to make Trump waste his time sitting in a cold, drafty
00:35:25.720courthouse for these mind-numbing proceedings in which they essentially just tried to vilify him.
00:35:35.200There was never any reason to bring Stormy Daniels, for example, as a witness. She is not central to
00:35:42.280prosecutor Bragg's case. So she was brought there just for the salacious nature of it,
00:35:48.900just because she could get into the intimate details of what she alleged took place. But then
00:35:55.720yesterday, we saw a video with Bill Maher, a guy who's not funny without a platoon of comedy
00:36:03.540writers working for him. But in the interview with Bill Maher, she specifically denied that she had
00:36:09.740been coerced in any way. She claimed that she had had sex with Trump, but she said it was
00:36:15.680consensual. So here she is caught up in another lie. So she has said in writing and under oath that
00:36:23.800she'd never had any relationship with Trump. Other places, she said that she did, but it was consensual.
00:36:31.360And then, of course, in the courtroom, she went into great graphic detail, so graphic that the judge
00:36:37.400had to tell her to tone it down. So I don't think she helped the government's case an iota.
00:36:44.220The second reason for this trial, in addition to sucking up Trump's time when he should be out
00:36:50.280campaigning in swing states, is the money drain. He has to pay his lawyers huge amounts of money.
00:36:59.300Yes, his super PAC is paying much, if not most of that. But then the Democratic National Committee
00:37:05.340is paying Joe Biden's legal fees in the investigation of him by the special counsel.
00:37:12.220And then lastly, of course, is the attempt, once again, to blacken Trump's name, to try to paint
00:37:20.020a picture of him to sway the election. As you know, they really want desperately a conviction here,
00:37:29.780even though they know the conviction is likely to be overturned on appeal. There are so many
00:37:36.520appealable aspects of this case. Just the fact that the judge has a serious material conflict of
00:37:44.420interest, not only in the contribution that he gave to Joe Biden in violation of the New York state
00:37:51.480judicial canon of ethics, but also in the fact, as we have reported and has been reported widely
00:37:58.460elsewhere, his adult daughter is a Democrat political consultant and fundraising expert who has raised
00:38:06.520$95 million for the Biden-Harris campaign using this trial that her father is presiding over as the
00:38:17.520focal point of that fundraising appeal. So that's a direct financial conflict of interest. One lawyer told me
00:38:25.440it said that that that fact alone would be appealable. A number of other mistakes made by the prosecutors
00:38:33.520here. But again, they don't care what happens after the election. They're desperate to get a phony conviction of
00:38:40.960Donald Trump before the election. Their efforts to do so in Florida in the so-called documents case
00:38:49.300does not appear that that case will come to trial before the election. We're waiting on the U.S. Supreme Court
00:38:56.160to rule on the issue of President Trump's potential immunity. What he, I think, correctly claims is his
00:39:03.120immunity from prosecution before we determine whether the D.C. case, which is an election interference case
00:39:11.040rather than an insurrection case that Jack Smith is seeking to bring in D.C. where Trump and others
00:39:19.280have been indicted. So I think that lays out what their strategy is. Troy, what else have you got for the
00:39:27.440good of the order? Because in just a moment, we're going to bring Alex Stone on for a segment that we
00:39:33.680call The Rolling Stones. But before you leave us, tell us what else you have on your mind.
00:39:40.880Well, we have a video that we'll kind of leave you with, and I think it would be good for you to
00:39:45.120discuss, Roger. It discusses an ongoing effort. I think we see in the trials right now that they're
00:39:52.000really out in the open in attempts to bring down President Trump. And one of the ways that they're
00:39:56.220doing this is a new spying ring, Roger. There's actually been allegations that there's going to be
00:40:01.260a crossfire hurricane 2.0. This was discussed by Elise Stefanik in Congress just a few days ago. We want
00:40:07.140to roll that clip and get your thoughts on it. In front of this very committee in an open session,
00:40:11.860your predecessor, Jim Comey, testified that he did not follow the proper protocol regarding the
00:40:16.300notification of Congress of the opening of the crossfire hurricane. That would be the
00:40:20.860counterintelligence investigation into President Trump in 2016. To address this, illegal
00:40:26.100abuse of power by the FBI, this committee included direction to the FBI in the IAA requiring
00:40:32.960notification to congressional leadership of any counterintel investigation into a federal
00:40:37.660candidate for office. Is there any counterintelligence investigation into either Joe Biden or Donald Trump?
00:40:43.640I would just say I'll refer you to the special counsel has. It's not a question about the special counsel. That's a requirement in the IAA of the FBI. Is there a counterintelligence investigation into either Joe Biden or Donald Trump? There's no investigation that I could confirm here. No. Is there is there a counterintelligence investigation? Again, I'm not confirming any investigation into either candidate. Are you aware that you're required by the IAA to notify Congress of
00:41:20.500We have been in compliance with the law? You believe we have you have been or has there been a notification to Congress of any
00:41:25.360of any intelligence investigation of a federal candidate? I believe we have complied with the law. Has there been a counterintel assessment conducted on either President Biden or President Trump? Again, there's no assessment that I would confirm here in any way. I believe we have been in compliance with the law. How about on an immediate family member? And by that I mean spouses or
00:41:37.360children of either President Biden or President Trump? Again, I'm not in the business of confirming, especially not an open hearings, assessments or anything like that. When it comes to counterintelligence matters. So you will confirm in the classified setting when we ask you this question of whether there's a counterintelligence.
00:41:57.100especially not in open hearings, assessments, or anything like that when it comes to counterintelligence matters.
00:42:02.440So you will confirm in the classified setting when we ask you this question of whether there's a counterintelligence investigation
00:42:08.100because you are aware that according to the IAA, you are required by law to notify Congress of any counterintelligence investigation,
00:42:15.460not just for presidential candidates, but any federal candidate.
00:43:21.240She's actually been very, very aggressive in terms of filing formal complaints against a number of the federal judges and prosecutors who have been trying to abuse President Trump.
00:43:33.020And that gives you, I think, a great taste of two things.
00:43:35.920One, how evasive FBI Director Chris Wray is.
00:43:40.960Remember, he was appointed with the strong recommendation of Governor Chris Christie.
00:43:45.820And also, how dogged and determined Elise Stefanik is.
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00:47:33.100This is The Stone Zone, and now we have a special segment we call The Rolling Stones.
00:47:39.260That's because my adopted nephew, Alex Stone, joins us for this segment as we try to get a younger perspective on what's happening in America.
00:47:50.740Alex, thanks for joining us today on The Stone Zone.
00:47:55.140Roger, thank you so much for having me back on.
00:48:19.860Obviously, you and I both know that President Trump today was joined by Vivek Ramaswamy, Speaker Mike Johnson, Doug Burgum, Byron Donalds, Corey Mills, Eric Trump, and Laura Trump, and many others to go against this gag order that is unconstitutional.
00:48:39.040And I'm really fired up about what this is going to do for the future of the United States of America and how it will impact people's view on what is actually going on.
00:48:50.180Roger, I think people are waking up at a rate that has never been imagined before.
00:48:55.680And I think it's beautiful the way that things are happening because people are beginning to realize what is actually going on, who is actually pulling the strings, and the fact that our government is against us, it's against Donald Trump, it's against we the people.
00:49:12.180Something I just said on my show earlier is that America used to be the land of the free and the home of the brave, but rather it has become the land of the tyrant and the home of the coward.
00:49:26.680I believe that that is changing once again, and we are going to return to that point where we are the land of the free and the home of the brave once again.
00:49:34.960I agree with your assessment of the way the American people are reacting to this.
00:49:46.200What's particularly egregious, I think, is the so-called documents case in Florida, whereas the very courageous judge in that case, who now, of course, is under attack by the far left, insisting that she's incompetent, she's unqualified, she should recuse herself.
00:50:05.620No, no, their objection to her is, she's honest, and she's going by the law.
00:50:11.040Special counsel Jack Smith essentially wanted to try Donald Trump in secret.
00:50:16.120By redacting all of the evidence, by having most of the evidence under seal or being continued to be classified, we have no idea what this case is really about.
00:50:29.140In other words, they want to prosecute Donald Trump for holding on to documents that I believe he correctly argues that under the Presidential Records Act, he's entitled to have.
00:50:40.120He's entitled to decide how to dispose of and what to do with, yet they bring an action under the Espionage Act.
00:50:53.420Donald Trump never took classified or top secret documents and shared them with any enemy of the United States.
00:51:00.260There was that fake claim in the media, but it turned out to be like everything else the media says, fake.
00:51:07.300So as the judge in that case has ordered the prosecutors to unredact more and more of their claims, it becomes abundantly clear that this whole thing in Florida was a setup.
00:51:22.860That the National Archives, run by a left-wing activist and partisan, met with the Biden White House counsel and folks at the DOJ to lay out an elaborate trap to try to entrap Donald Trump.
00:51:39.580The famous pictures we've seen with the top secret classified markings on top of documents strewn across the floor.
00:51:48.620We now know that whole thing was staged.
00:51:50.920We know that the evidence, the documents themselves, were tampered with, I guess, to make a better picture.
00:51:58.500And we know that the National Archives sent a pallet of boxes of documents to Trump that he didn't ask for.
00:52:09.160But once it became clear to them that he had them, then they went and filed a complaint with the DOJ that Trump was in possession of documents that they claimed he wasn't entitled to have.
00:52:42.040Well, as you said, first of all, it is a set-up, and he's been set up for a very long time since before he ran for president of the United States.
00:52:52.480And I've had many conversations with people in my age range.
00:52:56.200I am a 20-year-old, and I go to college.
00:52:59.000And granted, it is a Christian university.
00:53:04.020However, most of the people there, they are beginning to realize and understand the importance of this election especially.
00:53:13.700And the reason why is because they realize that Joe Biden cannot handle four more years.
00:53:19.740And that President Trump, under President Trump, we had a great economy, people weren't worrying about anything, people weren't struggling with what they're going to do with their life, because President Trump was a stable man and knew what he was doing.
00:53:33.620People are beginning to realize that, especially in my age range.
00:53:37.740There are many people that I went to high school with that hated Donald Trump that are beginning to realize, oh, President Trump is actually the only choice for this election.
00:53:48.400Many people that I talked to have, like I said, woken up, and they will be voting for President Trump in 2024.
00:53:57.000Alex, you've spoken about this in the past, but you tell me that you were greatly affected and really enjoyed my great book, Stone's Rules.
00:54:08.580This is a book that I recommend for any young person.
00:54:12.940It doesn't matter whether you're in tech or retail or agriculture.
00:54:20.800These are the things that I have learned in a 45-year career in the arena, in the public arena, so that you don't even have to be a conservative or a Republican or a Trump supporter.
00:54:33.660You don't even have to be terribly political.
00:54:36.300To get this book, you go to stonesrulesbook.com, stonesrulesbook.com, and you can get an autographed copy of it.
00:54:46.600Yes, I'm very grateful for the foreword and introduction written by my good friend Tucker Carlson.
00:54:54.220So tell us just briefly your experience with Stone's Rules.
00:57:59.160Well, Roger, thank you once again for having me on.
00:58:01.780Like I said, I'm fired up to be here, and I appreciate every time I'm able to come on.
00:58:07.480Really, my last comment is this country needs to turn back to God.
00:58:12.840I believe that President Trump is protected by God, which is why he hasn't been found guilty for any of these things.
00:58:18.780But I believe that we need to turn back to God.
00:58:22.160As Roger has given his life to Christ, as I've given my life to Christ, so many of us, we need to give our life to Christ to change this nation once and for all.
00:58:31.520And if we do not, like Roger says in many of his speeches, America will go into a thousand years of darkness, and none of us want that.
00:58:38.940So turn to Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
00:58:41.920With that being said, also, please go find me on my show, The Alex Stone Show, formerly a Stonewalls Perspective, but then Roger recommended that I change the title of my show.