Trump supporters flooded the streets of Wildwood, NJ on Saturday night to attend his Saturday night rally in support of President Donald Trump. It was the largest single outdoor rally in U.S. presidential campaign history, and a momentous political achievement for the president. Here to discuss the record-setting turnout and what it means politically, my co-hosts Troy Smith and Mike Crispy talk to a man who was there to witness it, and who actually spoke to the rally. And, as always, thanks to Slingshot News for sponsoring the show. The Stone Zone is a production of the Daily Caller and is produced by Roger Stone. Roger Stone served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents. He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society. Due to his four plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Roger Stone has become a pop culture icon. And now, here s your host Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone. Enjoy this special episode of The Stonezone with Roger Stone! -The Stone Zone with and on The Daily Caller with . The Weekly Standard with , & The Hill Report with ! - The Hill's newest podcast, with Rachel Maddow, and The Daily Mail's Peter Bergen. and The New York Sun-New York Magazine's Peter Thiel, and the New York Magazine, and much, much more. Thanks for tuning in! -Roger Stone - Roger Stone is a friend of the President, and he's a great guy. - Thank you for being a good friend of The President, too! -The Daily Mail, and I hope you enjoy this episode, and thanks for listening, too. -RATE 5 stars and tweet me if you like it! Tweet Me! and tell me what you think it's great! & I'll send me a review of the episode of the show! in the next one! or review it on Insta: or comment it's a review! if it's any good? -Tune in next week - and I'll be listening out for a review? Thank you, Mr. Roger Stone
00:27:09.940Everyone was saying, where is the great Roger Stone?
00:27:12.820So we know you're working extremely hard, Roger, and just so grateful for everything you have done to be a trailblazer for all the up and comers in the conservative movement.
00:27:22.400Well, unfortunately, I could not do my 77 WABC radio show yesterday and also be at the rally.
00:27:29.660It really did in many ways break my heart.
00:27:33.560But interestingly enough, on my show, I interviewed Mark Caputo, who's the chief political correspondents for The Bulwark.
00:27:42.260And he had an excellent piece on Trump campaign strategist Tony Fabrizio.
00:27:48.320And Fabrizio made the case, exactly what you said, Mike, we're expanding the map.
00:27:55.100Unlike 2020, there are a few states where Trump could win, where he's in range, where the Democrats have already put that in their column.
00:29:02.080Wanted to get your thoughts and your reaction to that.
00:29:04.340You know, this is a very difficult question for me.
00:29:07.940Steve Bannon and I, as you know, have had our differences.
00:29:11.760He was a surprise witness at my trial testifying for Robert Mueller.
00:29:17.060And in his sworn testimony, when he was asked whether he'd ever discussed WikiLeaks or Julian Assange or the allegedly stolen DNC and Clinton emails, he said, yes, I spoke to Stone about it.
00:29:35.000In every conversation we had in 2016, I considered him our access point to WikiLeaks.
00:29:43.000The problem is that when he was asked the exact same question before the House Intelligence Committee under oath, he said, no, he never discussed the matter with me at all.
00:29:56.460So candidly, I think in the trial, in my trial, he was not telling the truth.
00:30:16.260He is being targeted by the exact same people who had targeted me, who targeted General Flynn, who targeted Paul Manafort, and today are targeting Donald Trump.
00:30:32.880Late last week, Steve Bannon's appeal of his contempt of Congress conviction, where he refused to testify before the January 6th committee was denied.
00:30:46.320And now, presumably, much like Peter Navarro, he will have a short prison sentence for that infraction.
00:30:56.400But, as you point out, he still has a trial coming up in New York City, which was scheduled for last October, then rescheduled to this May, now rescheduled to next, this coming October.
00:31:14.940And the judge in that New York case is Judge Juan Merchant, the judge in Donald Trump's case.
00:31:24.980I think this is extraordinarily unfair.
00:31:29.260Judges are supposed to be picked at random selection.
00:31:32.860How likely is it that Merchant gets not only Trump's case, but also Steve Bannon's case?
00:31:39.460So, look, I'm praying for Steve, because it's the right thing to do.
00:33:48.940Look, there's a lot of problems with Stormy Daniels' testimony.
00:33:56.460I think inviting her to testify in this trial was a mistake.
00:34:01.620First of all, her lawyer, Keith Davidson, testified earlier in the trial.
00:34:07.540This past week, we had Bubba Clem, better known on radio as Bubba the Love Sponge, who I think documented the case that Keith Davidson was arrested in an FBI sting as part of a ring that was seeking to extort Hulk Hogan over a sex tape.
00:34:28.280Hogan, when he was approached by those seeking to blackmail him, went directly to the FBI.
00:34:33.660It is his contention that Davidson, in order to avoid prosecution himself in the Hogan matter, gave them all of Michael Cohen's emails, first flagged their attention to the transaction with Stormy Daniels, which was a transaction between Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels, not Donald Trump and Stormy Daniels, and agreed to testify in this trial.
00:35:01.500The other problem Stormy Daniels clearly has is she's told so many stories in so many different places, some of them under oath, some of them in writing.
00:35:12.940She has vehemently denied any sexual relationship with Donald Trump.
00:35:17.580Now, suddenly she's popping up saying, oh, no, I did have one.
00:35:22.040Here you see that she did not feel coerced.
00:35:24.500So even if it did happen, it appears to me to have been consensual, although that's really not the point.
00:35:31.180The real point here is that Mr. Bragg, the Manhattan district attorney whose campaign was funded largely by George Soros and who campaigned on a platform to get Donald Trump, very much like Attorney General Letitia James of New York, has no underlying crime.
00:35:52.340In other words, these financial transactions within the books of the Trump organization do not hide any underlying crime.
00:36:04.180The U.S. Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York studied these charges, found no crime.
00:36:11.140The Federal Election Commission studied these transactions, found no crime.
00:36:15.960This this this indictment is deeply, deeply flawed.
00:36:20.700We'll talk about it a bit more on the other side when we come back from this commercial message.
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00:39:31.020All right, Troy Smith, the co-host here at The Stone Zone and the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.news, which is really taking off as the new cutting-edge alternative media website where you can find stories on all kinds of things that you won't find anyone else, joins me again today in the space.
00:39:57.480I want to get one opinion from you, Troy.
00:40:00.580I know you track the comments and the movements of Jen Psaki, who is, of course, the former press spokesman for Joe Biden.
00:40:14.000Last week, she kind of intimated that, well, we don't really know what's going to happen to Trump.
00:40:32.860Well, Roger, you know, when you listen, and here's the thing, and I think we've talked about this before.
00:40:38.440When she reads what's on the teleprompter, that's not her words.
00:40:42.760And I, you know, I read her book recently, and you can tell when you read the book that it's not her, that's not the same person that we see on the TV reading what I believe is written by Neil Katyal and Andrew Weissman and others.
00:40:57.620And what we saw there, Roger, was an off-script moment.
00:41:01.480And in the off-script moments, you see who the real Jen Psaki is and what really, I think, is the emotion of the Biden administration and the Democrats in general.
00:41:17.180And it's really something that's crossed their mind.
00:41:19.280And I think as far as their attitude on this issue, look, I know who Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is.
00:41:27.040We spent a whole show talking about him last week, Roger.
00:41:30.320But the Biden administration has refused to give RFK Jr. secret service protection, even though his father and his uncle were assassinated.
00:41:39.700I think that speaks to how they feel about anybody who would question their authority or dare to run against them.
00:43:26.700But at this point, and I think this is the absolute key, the more recent polling shows that those who vote for Kennedy in a three-way race would vote two to one for Trump if Kennedy were not running.
00:43:43.040So, this is something we're going to keep a very, very close eye on.
00:43:51.800I do think that his choice of running mate has been damaging.
00:43:56.240He picked an uber-wealthy progressive who's vaccinated, who's boosted.
00:44:04.020So, she clearly doesn't agree with him on, I would say, what is the central issue of his campaign, the safety and effectiveness of vaccinations.
00:44:13.220She actually said on X, formerly known as Twitter, several days after she was selected for vice president, that she hadn't really realized that there was an illegal immigration problem in the United States, which shows that she's fairly detached.
00:44:31.820She has plowed a lot of money into the defund the police efforts in California.
00:44:38.980One must only presume that Robert Kennedy took her as his running mate because he needed the campaign cash.
00:44:49.420In other words, by law, she can give to her own campaign, this would be her campaign, without limitation.
00:44:56.400And that means, or she could give to super PACs that are dedicated to helping get Kennedy on the ballot.
00:45:05.120This tells me, as I've said on the show before, that his efforts to get on the ballot are not as successful as perhaps he had earlier planned.
00:45:15.760And when that happens, you throw more money at it in terms of paid petition circulators, more lawyers to review your petitions.
00:45:26.420Because I can tell you this from my experience with Governor Gary Johnson in 2012, when I bolted the Republican Party because I couldn't stomach the nomination of Mitt Romney, that we successfully got Gary Johnson, former governor of New Mexico, very good man, onto the ballot in 48 states.
00:45:49.560It was extraordinarily difficult, expensive, arcane, and legally challenging.
00:46:03.840Troy, let's continue on our daily political report.
00:46:09.260Well, Roger, I think it's important to highlight, you know, I think, and this is something that I would like to ask you about as well.
00:46:15.020The Biden, they're not really running a campaign, the Biden folks.
00:46:19.120And I've seen people refer to Robert F. Kennedy as the only real Democrat that's running in this race.
00:46:26.520And I think maybe there's a point to that in that the Biden people are really doing their best to conceal him.
00:46:32.920And we see why, you know, increasingly as we go along here.
00:46:35.780So let's show a clip of President Joe Biden attempting to shake hands with a ghost, nobody, after his Tampa speech recently to show just a comparison.
00:46:45.280President Trump has a rally with over 100,000 people in New Jersey.
00:46:49.060Biden shakes hands with literally nothing.
00:47:08.560Well, yeah, I just think that the deterioration of Joe Biden is apparent to anybody who is objective.
00:47:15.720Remember, after the special counsel, Robert Herr, issued his report in which he said that Joe Biden had willfully retained certain classified and top secret documents in violation of the law.
00:47:32.980He went on to say that Biden should not be prosecuted because of his essentially because of his mental deterioration.
00:47:43.760Biden's response to that was really, OK, watch me, watch me.
00:47:51.540And I think that the trajectory is downhill.
00:47:54.760I really question whether he is up to the rigors of a presidential campaign, certainly question whether he could go toe to toe in a debate with Donald Trump or whether he will actually ever really agree to do so because he knows Trump would eat him alive.
00:48:13.180I still believe that there's great apprehension in the Democratic Party about his ability to be reelected.
00:48:20.860Now, in 2020, they were allowed to hide him in a basement using pandemic, the pandemic over COVID-19 as their excuse for doing so.
00:48:32.660Absent some pandemic between now and November, which, of course, you never know about, I think they're going to have a very time, a very hard time hiding him,
00:48:42.520which is why I continue to believe that before the the Democratic National Convention, that there's a high probability that he will be removed as a candidate.
00:48:57.460Well, and Roger, so you see that chance of that happening actually increasing as we head towards the convention here?
00:49:20.060I actually I actually feel sorry for him.
00:49:23.980One of the things that Ronald Reagan understood was that you needed as president to show the American people a vigorous, confident leader so that they would have confidence in the country.
00:49:41.340When Reagan was leaving office in one of his final interviews, he was asked by a reporter, do you think that you the fact that you did not come up through politics, that you came to politics and to the presidency from a show business career, from an entertainment career, that you were an actor, hampered your ability to do this job?
00:50:02.800And he said, I don't know, fellas, I don't see how a guy who wasn't an actor could do this job.
00:50:09.860By that, he meant that the role in public of the president to the American people is vitally important.
00:50:17.280If the president looks confident, if he looks strong, if he looks resolute, if it looks like he has a plan for America, then I think that gives the voters and, by the way, consumers and taxpayers confidence.
00:50:36.660And I think as we get closer to the convention, there will be more pressure on him to consider stepping aside, not resigning as president.
00:50:48.460I don't think he will do that because I don't think he wants to lose the leverage to pardon his son or his brother or other members of the Biden crime family, but simply to release his delegates and the convention could work its will.
00:51:07.800The convention could draft any candidate they wanted.
00:51:10.760Now, I have said repeatedly that the most popular candidate on the convention floor, the most popular candidate among the delegates, would be Michelle Obama.
00:51:22.180I've never said Michelle Obama will run for president.
00:51:25.400What I've predicted is that she will be the Democratic nominee.
00:51:29.100I don't think she wants to run, but I do think she could be persuaded to run if they can persuade her that she's the strongest potential candidate against Donald Trump.
00:51:42.920We don't have enough polling yet to tell us whether that's true, but I guarantee you the Democrats have taken more than enough internal polling to determine whether it's true.
00:51:55.460Well, Roger, I think that's something that we need to look at.
00:51:59.220And I would also point out that I would expect a lot of protests at the DNC.
00:52:03.680It's going to be chaos and chaos that I think we've seen historically before.
00:52:08.580I think this has been, you know, the whole Israel situation is referred to as Biden's Vietnam.
00:52:14.480What do you think about that comparison?
00:52:16.000Do you think that it's having a similar effect or is it even bigger?
00:52:21.220I see very direct parallels between 1968 and today.
00:52:27.560The conflict between Israel and Iran, conflict between Israel and Hamas is playing the same role that the Vietnam War played in dividing the Democratic Party.
00:52:40.580And what you see in Joe Biden is an attempt to have it both ways.
00:52:45.660Being so naive is to think that they won't use that to restart their nuclear weapons development program or that they will not use that money to subsidize Hamas and Hezbollah for terrorist activities against Israel is at a minimum naive.
00:53:11.720But I think in this case, but I think in this case, it is purposeful.
00:53:15.260Lee Smith, who was on this show last week, was also on my WABC radio show, makes the case that this is the Obama policy.
00:53:26.720Obama wants a balanced Middle Eastern policy in which a strong Iran is promoted, presumably as some kind of counterweight to Israel, which makes no sense at all.
00:53:41.780It's interesting to me that when the Iranians launched this drone and missile attack two weeks ago against Israel, an attack that got huge media hype, but turned out to kill only one person,
00:53:57.340that it was not only France, but the United Kingdom, but also Saudi Arabia and Jordan using anti-missile, you know, hardware, anti-missile technology to protect Israel.
00:54:14.780That in itself is interesting, but you have to wonder, was that entire attack initiated as kabuki theater for the American people to make Biden look strong or to show that Biden is not kowtowing to our traditional ally Israel?
00:54:42.720All of this, of course, has a lot to do with domestic politics.
00:54:48.060There are pockets of Muslim American voters in states like Michigan and Minnesota and others who are traditionally Democrats, but clearly now calling the president genocide Joe.
00:55:02.280Joe may be counting on the fact that the American Jewish vote, which obviously has many divisions.
00:55:09.820There are many kinds of Jews, conservative Jews, Orthodox Jews, Reform Jews, Secular Jews.
00:55:17.460You can't really speak of the Jewish people or Jewish Americans in one monolithic group.
00:55:23.540But as a group, they are traditionally among the most intense Democrat Party voters.
00:55:32.640So, Trump needs to make inroads among that group.
00:55:38.440He is doing so by standing with our ally Israel.
00:55:43.220Joe Biden, I think, endangers his standing in that group.
00:55:47.380Not that he won't win a majority of it, but this effort to be on both sides of the war, to play it both ways, to threaten to withhold aid to Israel.
00:55:58.760If Israel defends themselves or if Israel is as aggressive against Hamas as Hamas has been against Israel, you would think that that would hurt Biden among American Jewish voters.
00:56:14.420But that is not something we have seen so far.
00:56:18.060This is this is this is there's a lot more to be discussed.
00:56:23.780This on Thursday, Jason Lyons, one of the foremost experts on the American Jewish vote and the dynamic of Jewish voters in American politics, going to join us right here on the Stone Zone to discuss this very subject.
00:56:42.880All right, Troy, unfortunately, we are out of time today.
00:56:46.000I wanted to take a minute to tell you about the great satellite phone, which if the power grid goes down and we have no electricity and your cell phone is worthless, you're going to want one of these satellite phones.
00:56:59.560But we're going to talk about that tomorrow on the show, among other things.