The Tucker Carlson Show - November 09, 2026


Bradley Pierce: Modern Demonic Rituals and the Embrace of Human Sacrifice in Trump’s America

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00:00:30.000 Bradley Pearce, thanks for doing this.
00:00:35.860 Yeah, thanks for having me.
00:00:36.840 So what is abortion?
00:00:38.200 How would you describe abortion?
00:00:39.620 It's often described as health care, reproductive rights.
00:00:42.880 There's a whole cluster of euphemism barnacles attached to the word abortion.
00:00:50.080 But at its core, what is abortion?
00:00:52.920 Let's say it's a couple of things.
00:00:54.900 You know, biologically, it is the destruction of a human life.
00:00:58.540 From fertilization, each human being, you know, we're unique, have unique DNA.
00:01:04.220 You just need the same things that every other human being needs, just oxygen, nutrients, a safe place to live and grow.
00:01:10.340 And so abortion is murder.
00:01:12.820 It's destroying human life from the beginning. 0.53
00:01:16.040 But spiritually, it's also an attack against God.
00:01:20.520 It's, you know, God says he creates each of us in his own image.
00:01:24.220 And so whenever you're committing an abortion, you are attacking the very image of God by murdering someone made in his image.
00:01:32.240 So is it no different from any other kind of murder?
00:01:36.360 I think it's more heinous because the victim in this case is, this is the most innocent human being among us.
00:01:44.160 And in a place that's supposed to be the safest place for a child to be, and that's with their mother.
00:01:52.440 And then the person who's committing, by and large, is behind the act, is also supposed to be the person that the child can most trust.
00:02:02.640 The other thing is that the womb is the place where Christ entered the world.
00:02:08.740 And so it's a place, it's not just like any other place.
00:02:11.960 This is a very special place.
00:02:13.660 And to go into that place and to commit murder of the most innocent human beings among us is a tremendous evil. Scripture calls this child sacrifice that we're, when we're murdering children like this, just on the altar of our own convenience or whatever it may be.
00:02:33.340 In exchange for power.
00:02:34.880 Right.
00:02:35.260 Which is what human sacrifice is always done in exchange for.
00:02:38.900 um so my sense is but i think you've got a clearer picture that the state of abortion in the united
00:02:47.000 states more abortions per capita than you know societies had anywhere in the world 100 years ago
00:02:54.280 and still one of the higher in the world is that true that is true actually in america there there
00:03:00.240 was over 1.1 million abortions in 2025 um and a lot 1.1 million 1.1 million just right i don't
00:03:08.880 here in this country.
00:03:10.560 So, because this happens in clinics,
00:03:12.280 these are all reported, I guess.
00:03:14.360 It's not the same as it used to be, right?
00:03:16.360 So Dobbs overturned Roe versus Wade.
00:03:18.460 Yes.
00:03:18.780 So a lot of things changed then,
00:03:20.820 but there's still people
00:03:23.480 that are tracking the abortion numbers,
00:03:25.940 but they're no longer all happening in clinics.
00:03:28.160 So now about two-thirds to 80% of abortions
00:03:32.140 are happening by the abortion pill.
00:03:35.060 Some of these are acquired from clinics.
00:03:37.080 Others are ordered online.
00:03:38.880 And people do self-induced abortions at home.
00:03:42.560 But even those numbers are still tracked by the organizations that are providing those pills and by other organizations.
00:03:49.420 1.1 million in one year out of a population of 340-ish.
00:03:55.860 Wow, that's an unbelievable number.
00:03:57.960 um from i don't know rome until 1973 when roe v wade became law what was the view of people in
00:04:10.460 the west of abortion was it common was it accepted was it considered a human right was it considered
00:04:16.100 integral to bodily sovereignty like how did people think about abortion you know you see
00:04:21.740 abortion, like even in the Hippocratic Oath, even going back, you know, to Greece, you see abortion,
00:04:28.540 the doctor, everyone's heard the Hippocratic Oath, you know, do no harm. Yeah. Right. But part of the
00:04:33.640 Hippocratic Oath is actually, I will not produce a pessary, which is a substance to induce an
00:04:40.840 abortion. Right. Exactly. And so that said, you know, the Hippocratic Oath, which is, we have
00:04:48.520 been told and are still told is the framework for modern medicine the moral framework for modern
00:04:52.820 medicine specifically bans abortion right exactly so how did the medical establishment which is
00:05:00.740 the most enthusiastic of all about abortion they love abortion right for some reason um how do they
00:05:07.340 get around that you know i think they just focus on the words do no harm they rewrote the oath they
00:05:13.280 They just rewrote it, exactly.
00:05:14.640 They took that out.
00:05:16.040 Yeah, the Rome, ancient Rome, you had, there were certainly discarding of children that was happening right under pagan Rome.
00:05:24.580 When they would expose children, they'd go leave them in the woods and things like that.
00:05:29.140 And it was the Christians who would go and rescue those children and adopt them as their own children and raise them.
00:05:35.940 So, you know, we certainly had people killing children, you know, even in the West for a long time.
00:05:41.440 But then as the West became Christianized, right, then we see that even the early church fathers, they're saying abortion is murder, abortion is evil. 0.61
00:05:52.920 Yes, and very, very clear on that.
00:05:55.780 And so you see abortion really, as the West continues to Christianize, becoming something that, oh, yeah, of course you don't do that. 0.91
00:06:03.560 You know, of course that should be against the law. 0.98
00:06:06.040 So for almost 2,000 years, that was the consensus.
00:06:10.560 Right, yes.
00:06:11.440 How'd that change so fast?
00:06:15.660 You know, I'm sure there are lots of reasons.
00:06:19.940 I think whenever we reduce man to no longer being made in the image of God, right?
00:06:25.760 When we devalue mankind, man and woman and child, and we say that we're just a product of slime or we're the product of monkeys or what have you, and you devalue life, right?
00:06:38.200 whenever you separate the creation from the creator that's whenever um you know all manner
00:06:44.860 of things right that's what we do right that's how we oppress other human beings we somehow
00:06:48.720 devalue them and make them into subhumans so that way we feel more comfortable oppressing them 0.99
00:06:54.080 and that's what we've done here they're here to boost gdp they're not really human right yeah 0.90
00:06:59.180 they're units right um well you certainly see a lot of that i don't think you could wage modern
00:07:04.580 war if you considered other people human right i mean a weapon of mass destruction you're killing
00:07:10.100 people who did nothing wrong i mean you can't they can't defend that right right and yet many
00:07:15.300 many many people do including people who vote for the same candidates i vote for so it's kind
00:07:19.700 of amazing how universal that view is in the united states it's not just the radical left
00:07:23.940 right yeah i mean ultimately people are not just like you said units or means to an end
00:07:29.860 And, I mean, we are priceless, not because any of us are great on our own, like, you know, but because we're made in the image of God.
00:07:38.880 We're made in his image, and he's the one who's made us.
00:07:41.340 And so that's where our value comes from.
00:07:43.260 And whenever we deny that, then we're denying the value that goes along with that.
00:07:46.860 so if you were to pull the topic and say 1940 on the eve of the second world war in the united
00:07:57.120 states is it would 1.1 million abortions be okay with you what would you guess people would say
00:08:04.960 i think i think you would see people would be we were already seeing decline of christianity and
00:08:11.440 decline of Christian morals even then.
00:08:13.260 But I think there was still plenty of it left 0.85
00:08:16.640 that people would say, oh, well, of course not.
00:08:19.240 In fact, even Margaret Sanger,
00:08:21.240 who's the founder of Planned Parenthood herself,
00:08:25.040 now you could question her motives for this, 0.97
00:08:27.140 but even she was-
00:08:27.920 I think we know her motives.
00:08:28.920 Even she was actually against abortion.
00:08:31.580 She was like, now it may have been to try 0.99
00:08:33.560 to push people more toward her contraceptive birth control 1.00
00:08:37.360 or what she called contraceptive birth control.
00:08:40.160 But she was actually against abortion, at least for a while.
00:08:42.640 Really?
00:08:43.340 Yes.
00:08:44.140 Yeah.
00:08:45.800 But yeah, I think if you were to go back there, I think most people would say, of course we're against that.
00:08:52.260 Of course that shouldn't happen, 1.1 million.
00:08:54.480 at the beginning of the soviet union it's interesting that among the very first things
00:09:00.240 soviet government did was to ban christianity torture and kill priests close all the churches
00:09:09.120 and legalize abortion and those seem connected right ways i mean you see communism is really
00:09:16.160 right it's just the government it's just humanism right that's applied ultimately
00:09:20.480 to the government and um and so yeah humanism um devalue ultimately devalues human beings
00:09:28.280 and that's what leads to abortion humanism devalues human beings how right well because
00:09:34.160 because it's it basically right because our value comes from god whenever we divorce our value from
00:09:42.060 god that's actually devaluing we're now saying that okay we are not made in the image of god
00:09:46.560 We don't have this divine, you know, eternal souls.
00:09:50.120 And so this life is all that there is.
00:09:52.760 Well, then people are just this disposable product.
00:09:57.580 And it says, well, we're going to elevate human beings to basically be gods, right?
00:10:02.960 To say, well, we are our own saviors, but it ultimately has the opposite effect.
00:10:07.080 It ultimately devalues human beings.
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00:12:46.000 um before 33 ad approximately um human sacrifice was just absolutely universal around the world and
00:12:53.920 every ancient civilization ever studied as far as i know shows evidence of human sacrifice right and
00:13:00.500 the question is why? Why would people come up independently from each other? These are different
00:13:07.100 continents. A religious worship that is obviously anti-evolutionary. Like you could see an argument
00:13:14.840 for sacrificing the elderly because they're a burden. They can't, you know, contribute, 1.00
00:13:19.440 but they do consume. But you could never see from an evolutionary perspective, it makes zero sense
00:13:24.460 why you would sacrifice like babies. Why would you do that? Especially if you're not starving to
00:13:28.800 and so but every culture every single culture did that right europe scandinavia north america
00:13:39.400 australia africa asia all of them and christianity ended that and by the way torah judaism like moses
00:13:47.260 was very against us but why why did they all do that what do you think the answer is you know i
00:13:54.480 mean, I think ultimately, you know, there's Christ and there's Satan. And although those
00:14:03.960 who are not children of God are children of Satan and bound in our, you know, we're all born in sin.
00:14:09.320 We're bound in our sin. But for the grace of God, that's where we would all remain.
00:14:15.180 And we are then slaves to sin and slave then to Satan. And he loves child sacrifice. He loves
00:14:24.060 destroying and attacking the image of God.
00:14:27.360 And so when those who are still lost in their sin,
00:14:31.580 they love that too.
00:14:32.500 And then they follow these idols who are just demons.
00:14:35.720 Scripture says repeatedly, these are demons.
00:14:37.960 You're worshiping demons.
00:14:39.040 And sacrificing their children to demons
00:14:41.220 is what Scripture says.
00:14:42.920 And so the demons call for blood sacrifice.
00:14:46.760 And so that's what leads to that.
00:14:48.820 The demons call for blood sacrifice.
00:14:50.680 Right.
00:14:50.880 um there repeatedly in what christians refer to as the old testament god describes human
00:14:59.260 sacrifice as the thing he finds especially repugnant or am i misreading that no i think
00:15:04.180 that's very very true we see this even in you know there's when god's bringing the hebrews out
00:15:11.140 of egypt into the promised land he actually says i'm i'm giving you this land not because you're 0.93
00:15:16.800 so great but because the people in it are so wicked they're so evil and he lists the three 0.94
00:15:22.060 different places he lists the reasons why he's driving them out of the land and he says you know 0.99
00:15:27.460 of course idolatry worshiping false gods and then sexual immorality sexual perversion sodomy things 0.77
00:15:35.000 like that witchcraft as well but then the one thing that's in all three lists it's the only 0.93
00:15:42.300 thing found in all three lists for why he's driving out the canaanites before them is child
00:15:46.900 sacrifice child sacrifice and he says that the land that the blood of the innocent cries out
00:15:53.880 and that the land because of that vomits its inhabitants out of it um and again god says that 0.95
00:16:01.140 and if you do the same thing that the canaanites are doing that the land will also vomit you out 0.87
00:16:06.940 as well how could any modern christian or religious jew support abortion then given that it 0.60
00:16:13.900 says that you have to be either deceived or biblically illiterate or well i'm pretty biblically
00:16:21.800 illiterate i've just read it by myself and it just screams right off the page well you've done 0.51
00:16:25.920 more than a lot of people i haven't done that much just read it you know by myself and even i
00:16:31.540 i'm sure i missed 99 of what's in there but even i'm like oh god is against human sacrifice right
00:16:36.720 Right?
00:16:37.120 Absolutely.
00:16:38.360 Yeah.
00:16:38.840 So how could you miss that?
00:16:41.340 I don't know.
00:16:42.600 Again, I think just people's eyes are blinded to that.
00:16:46.720 I mean, there's still sin that corrupts people and blinds their vision.
00:16:53.840 But again, that's why we seek the Holy Spirit and we seek to read His Word and ask Him to help us understand it.
00:16:58.960 But to me, that's something that it should be clear to everyone who claims to be a Christian. 0.75
00:17:01.920 So when God says to the Hebrews, I'm giving you this land because I'm kicking out its current occupants because, and the main reason is human sacrifice, or one of the three reasons is human sacrifice, we're learning that there are consequences for doing this, not just in the hereafter, but now. 0.99
00:17:21.480 Right. 1.00
00:17:22.180 Do you see that theme?
00:17:24.060 Absolutely. 0.98
00:17:24.540 And God says that, he says, he'll vomit, the land will vomit you out, speaking to the Israelites. 0.59
00:17:31.800 And then we see this not only, but there, but throughout, right? 0.78
00:17:37.120 That's how the end eventually comes.
00:17:39.260 You know, in Israel, there's always, in fact, after King David, we have King Solomon.
00:17:44.440 Yeah.
00:17:44.840 Right.
00:17:45.220 And he does wicked, his wives lead him astray as he gets older.
00:17:49.120 And he built the high places, including one to Molech, which is a false demon god that people sacrifice their children to.
00:17:59.280 The child sacrifice cult. 0.79
00:18:00.220 Child sacrifice cult immediately right there.
00:18:03.260 And because Solomon does that, God says, I'm going to rip the kingdom out of your hands, but I'm not going to do it during your life, Solomon, because of the sake of your father, David. 0.64
00:18:17.100 but I'm going to rip it out from your son 0.94
00:18:19.540 and divides the kingdom after that 0.98
00:18:22.360 because of child sacrifice.
00:18:23.360 Well, not just divides the kingdom.
00:18:24.420 I mean, can you just describe what happened next?
00:18:26.740 It destroyed the temple,
00:18:28.020 carried the people off its slavery. 0.83
00:18:29.040 Right, yeah.
00:18:29.400 I mean, it ultimately led to a lot of,
00:18:32.020 yeah, exactly, all of that.
00:18:35.020 Because you then see later Manasseh,
00:18:37.260 another king that's sacrificing his own children.
00:18:40.640 Then God says, at a certain point,
00:18:43.200 God says, all right, the judgment is coming.
00:18:45.140 I'm taking you all out 1.00
00:18:47.260 you're going to be carried off into a foreign land 1.00
00:18:49.120 temple's going to be destroyed
00:18:50.240 and there is one king who is a good
00:18:53.260 king, Josiah, who
00:18:55.160 abolishes a lot of those
00:18:57.180 things, and God says I'm going to
00:18:59.040 stay judgment
00:18:59.860 but it's just temporary, I'm still bringing the judgment
00:19:03.000 but because of your faithfulness I'm going to
00:19:04.680 Wait, did he bring the judgment too? For real
00:19:07.100 Exactly, absolutely
00:19:08.800 Yeah, that's
00:19:11.880 very
00:19:13.340 very clear
00:19:15.120 So, in fact, it's so clear that, again, I remain baffled that anybody, I mean, I can understand why people who don't believe in God or believe in, you know, a pagan religion might support it. 0.75
00:19:29.080 But anyone who identifies as a Christian or a Jew can't support that, right? 0.72
00:19:34.100 That seems very clear to me. 0.99
00:19:35.760 Yeah.
00:19:36.400 Huh.
00:19:37.000 So, what do you think?
00:19:38.120 I mean, there are plenty of Christian leaders.
00:19:39.600 There are Christian denominations that support it.
00:19:42.160 Right. 0.96
00:19:42.440 Right. You know, I think that there's always heresies. There's always false gospels. There's always false teachings. And I think we see that today. I think, you know, Satan even uses that, right? Comes clothed as an angel of light, but then leads people astray.
00:20:01.580 So I think there's a lot of preachers, a lot of pastors out there who are either not feeding their sheep, meaning they're teaching on all these other things, but they're avoiding that issue, or they're feeding them lies.
00:20:15.360 I think there's a lot of that going on.
00:20:17.320 You said that the king who sacrificed his own children, that was especially offensive to God?
00:20:22.900 Right, right.
00:20:24.960 So leaders who'd be willing to sacrifice their own kids, that's when you know things are like completely falling apart spiritually. 0.97
00:20:31.080 like turning their own kids trans 0.91
00:20:33.360 castrating their own kids 0.98
00:20:34.500 that would be like a sign
00:20:35.740 you're yeah you're you are
00:20:37.900 again that's one of the many reasons right
00:20:41.000 that God brings judgment
00:20:42.300 as a sexual perversion as well
00:20:44.080 and doing that 0.96
00:20:44.640 and then doing that
00:20:45.840 inflicting that on your own children
00:20:47.220 yeah God takes that very seriously
00:20:50.280 so as you look around
00:20:52.480 at a world in chaos
00:20:54.320 with wars and rumors of wars
00:20:58.380 and famine and
00:20:59.860 natural disasters and all the stuff that's happening now or feels imminent now,
00:21:07.220 do you see a connection? And before you answer the question, in case you're feeling like I'm
00:21:12.060 putting you in an uncomfortable situation, I just want to say on the record as clearly as possible,
00:21:15.820 I see a connection. So I just want you not to feel like you're alone if you agree.
00:21:20.920 I mean, I think that God governs in the affairs of man, that God and God will not be mocked,
00:21:29.400 Whatever man sows, that he'll also reap.
00:21:32.780 Now, there's for individuals, right?
00:21:35.040 There is, we can repent, believe in Christ, and we can be saved from our sins, and we can have eternal life.
00:21:41.940 But then God not only has the judgment for individuals who don't do that, but he also has the judgment for nations.
00:21:48.540 God says he judges nations when the nations fall away and follow false gods and promote child sacrifice and other things like that.
00:21:56.280 God brings judgment on nations.
00:21:58.560 And we see even in Romans 1, we see when, and it begins with a denial of God as the creator, right?
00:22:05.640 A denial of God for being who he is.
00:22:07.940 That is, he's God.
00:22:09.440 He's created all things.
00:22:11.240 He sustains all things.
00:22:12.380 Whenever we deny that, then he starts turning us over to our own debased mind.
00:22:17.440 And that leads to further and further depravity and further and further insanity.
00:22:21.820 And I think that's what we're seeing across the world. 1.00
00:22:24.680 And it's especially, you know, grievous, you know, in countries that may still call themselves Christian. 1.00
00:22:35.760 You said it leads to depravity, which leads to insanity? 1.00
00:22:39.360 Well, we said, see God, in Romans 1, God says that whenever they're no longer grateful to him as their creator,
00:22:45.660 Then God turns them over to a debased mind and even describes them, you know, committing, men committing acts with men and all that sort of thing.
00:22:55.600 And then it just continues into, I believe, is describing, you know, what I would call, maybe what people today would call mental health crisis, right?
00:23:07.020 Anxiety, depression, and a lot of the things that we see today.
00:23:12.600 That's why we need more SSRIs, Bradley.
00:23:14.160 Is that the case you're making?
00:23:17.060 That's the solution right there.
00:23:19.120 And then when the suicide rate goes up, we'll just ignore it.
00:23:22.780 Right.
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00:25:30.060 I think it's dawned on a lot of leaving aside questions about pharma and its intent or its role in our country.
00:25:37.320 I think a lot of people are starting to conclude, at very least, the solutions that we have to the so-called mental health crisis are not working.
00:25:44.900 Obviously, they're not working.
00:25:46.100 Right.
00:25:46.820 And so maybe it's bigger than just a mental health crisis.
00:25:50.280 Maybe there's something undergirding it.
00:25:51.980 Right.
00:25:52.720 That's bigger than just your individual mental health.
00:25:55.800 Right.
00:25:56.160 But, so Roe v. Wade becomes law in 1973, six years after a decision called Griswold v. Connecticut, in which the court recognizes a right to privacy.
00:26:11.120 Right.
00:26:11.840 And that's the basis upon which they decided Roe, as you well know.
00:26:17.440 But for most of the time Roe was enforced, privacy wasn't really the right that was invoked.
00:26:22.680 It was more general freedom and sovereignty over your own body.
00:26:28.860 It's my body.
00:26:29.740 It's my choice.
00:26:31.080 Right.
00:26:31.240 And that lasted all the way until 2021 when we found out that just because it's your body doesn't mean it's your choice because you have to take the COVID vaccine.
00:26:38.240 So, like, clearly that doesn't mean anything.
00:26:39.220 Right.
00:26:39.780 Right.
00:26:40.280 So, the new idea was it's just good.
00:26:44.260 And without it, we have no economic opportunity. 0.79
00:26:47.240 We'll never, we'll be poor without abortion. 0.97
00:26:49.460 Right.
00:26:49.840 What do you think of those arguments?
00:26:52.680 You know, I mean, obviously the original Griswold v. Connecticut, that there's some right to privacy in between the lines, you know, in the penumbra of the Constitution.
00:27:00.320 I wish there was a right to privacy.
00:27:02.280 I wish I was free to go shoot every flat camera with a 12-gauge, but I'm not.
00:27:06.540 Right.
00:27:07.100 There's no right to privacy in a mass surveillance state, apparently.
00:27:10.620 Right, yes.
00:27:11.920 There's certainly some rights that relate to privacy, the Fourth Amendment, things like that.
00:27:16.100 But not some generic, you know, we can twist it however we want.
00:27:20.940 I never understood what does privacy have to do with abortion?
00:27:24.940 Well, and I guess it's, you know, well, Griswold originally was about contraception.
00:27:33.480 Right.
00:27:34.120 And so there you could kind of see like, okay, well, I guess, you know, what a man and woman do in their own bedroom and that sort of thing.
00:27:41.060 Although it was, again, it was just planting the seeds that led to then Roe versus Wade.
00:27:46.200 And I guess there they're saying that, well, that's a private decision, you know, by someone, by a woman and her doctor.
00:27:55.680 But, yeah, it seems bizarre.
00:27:57.020 And, again, now at this point, the Supreme Court agrees that, yeah, that was an unconstitutional decision to begin with.
00:28:03.760 And so, you know, so now we no longer have Roe, which was, it was a bad decision.
00:28:10.440 It needed to go.
00:28:11.560 But it hasn't solved the underlying issue.
00:28:13.760 Yeah. And I think, I mean, Roe, to some extent, was a sideshow because even, I think, honest legal analysts would tell you, not on camera, it's an absurd decision. It was just a political decision made by a court whose job is to interpret the Constitution. It's embarrassing. Even if you're in love with abortion, you know, you could admit that. So now it's gone. It was always going to be overturned because it was just too silly to stand as a matter of legal reasoning, as you know.
00:28:40.060 right but it does since it's gone it raises the question what is the justification for abortion
00:28:46.460 because abortion is most americans say they support legal abortion but abortion itself
00:28:55.040 remains so unpopular that no one can talk about it no one can talk openly about abortions because
00:28:59.720 it would be if you were sitting at a dinner party and you describe what an abortion actually was
00:29:04.560 like a medical abortion, people would hate you and leave because it resonates with everybody,
00:29:11.640 no matter how pro-choice you are. Like you recognize that's horrible. Everyone knows
00:29:17.000 abortion is horrible. And that's why it requires so much linguistic gymnastics to get it down your
00:29:24.460 throat. Right. Right. So what is now the justification for it? Like it's more common
00:29:31.720 than ever yeah because why you know i think and i i think it's becoming less and less um shameful
00:29:40.560 you know talk about abortion there's whole movements like shout your abortion and people
00:29:45.100 on tiktok celebrating their abortions and and again i think this is as we descend you know this
00:29:50.720 this moral um you know this moral deaths that we're going into um i think that's what we see
00:29:58.260 We see people no longer ashamed of their sin, you know, celebrating it, even, you know, making abortion cakes and all kinds of things.
00:30:07.240 And I've heard from people who are even, you know, have been connected with abortion clinics.
00:30:13.580 And they say used to the women coming in would be very, you know, ashamed. 0.92
00:30:19.080 But now many of them are just brazen, dancing outside the clinic.
00:30:23.580 there's videos you can go see videos of this online um that people are much more brazen than
00:30:29.340 they used to be so i have the opposite impression i feel like it's about to end abortion i feel like
00:30:36.300 everybody i feel people dancing in front of abortion clinics are compensating for what they
00:30:40.220 know to be true right everybody knows it's killing everybody knows that right and to the extent
00:30:47.100 they praise abortion it's because they know they're lying and so they have to kind of dress
00:30:52.620 it up right right and i feel like i'm not sure that everyone agrees that the nation is being
00:30:59.180 punished for abortion which i fervently believe it seems obvious to me but i think people will
00:31:04.460 begin to understand that i feel like we're i feel like 50 years from now there's gonna be way less
00:31:08.540 abortion people will be doing it in secret because everything returns to nature in the end i'd like
00:31:14.940 to believe that you know and certainly that's what we're working toward um we're working toward the
00:31:19.500 the abolition of abortion, and we'd like to see that, you know, I think that it has to be for
00:31:25.580 the right reasons. I think ultimately, you know, we have to abolish. What has to be for the right 0.97
00:31:31.380 reasons? Even abolishing abortion, I think, has to be for the right reasons. Now, again. What would
00:31:35.960 be the wrong reason? Well, again, if we're doing it for some of the same reasons that got us here
00:31:40.040 in the first place, right? If we're saying, well, we're going to, you know, our birth rate's getting
00:31:45.140 too low, we really need for our economy,
00:31:47.480 we really need, you know,
00:31:49.180 we're doing it for, instead of doing it for
00:31:51.240 reasons of, you know what, this is wrong before
00:31:53.080 God, we need to repent of this, and let's
00:31:55.080 stop doing this, that he,
00:31:57.220 that's something that he hates,
00:31:59.080 instead of that being the reason, but
00:32:01.060 it being, well,
00:32:03.340 we just, let's, you know what, I think it'd be better
00:32:04.900 economy if we just stop
00:32:06.640 murdering our own children.
00:32:08.880 If you can trace all decline 1.00
00:32:10.900 to killing, which I think you can,
00:32:13.180 I think killing is the one thing 0.99
00:32:15.040 you know
00:32:15.460 that you're really
00:32:16.040 not supposed to do
00:32:16.540 is kill
00:32:16.780 that is the one power
00:32:19.260 that you don't have
00:32:20.100 that God has that power
00:32:21.120 he reserves it for himself
00:32:22.160 so
00:32:22.440 the two
00:32:25.600 mass killings
00:32:27.200 the U.S.
00:32:27.520 just participated in
00:32:28.260 are one
00:32:28.700 the dropping of the bombs
00:32:29.760 on Hiroshima and Nagasaki
00:32:30.840 in August of 45
00:32:33.000 and then
00:32:33.760 beginning in 73
00:32:34.740 mass abortion
00:32:35.640 and you just can't say 1.00
00:32:37.280 it's a better country
00:32:37.860 since then
00:32:38.420 I mean you have
00:32:40.200 70
00:32:40.620 over 70 million children
00:32:42.680 that have been killed
00:32:43.300 so you think
00:32:44.720 there's no consequence for that?
00:32:45.820 That's 70 million souls
00:32:46.940 that we didn't create?
00:32:48.540 No, I think that there is a consequence.
00:32:50.020 Yeah.
00:32:50.500 But I just think
00:32:51.260 it's going to like dawn on people.
00:32:52.960 Like what,
00:32:53.760 as everything goes wrong at once.
00:32:55.620 I don't know if I give people
00:32:56.540 as much credit.
00:32:57.240 I mean, apart from the grace of God,
00:32:58.880 I mean, by the grace of God,
00:33:00.600 you know, then I think yes.
00:33:02.240 Well, I had someone tell me that
00:33:03.500 who I thought was kind of secular.
00:33:05.340 Reese, I was telling you off camera,
00:33:06.580 recently said to me,
00:33:07.600 well, this is obviously
00:33:08.260 punishment for abortion.
00:33:10.440 I was like, whoa,
00:33:11.400 I thought I was the only person
00:33:12.600 who thought that.
00:33:13.640 Right.
00:33:14.360 Right.
00:33:14.720 I think it's more obvious than I had imagined.
00:33:19.400 So how are you trying to abolish it?
00:33:22.060 So we're working, you know, I mean, first of all, we have to trust God, right?
00:33:28.100 God's the only one who's going to abolish it.
00:33:31.380 And so we're trying to do what he says his ways.
00:33:35.200 And so in Scripture, God says that we should do justice for the fatherless
00:33:39.660 and that we should have justice without partiality.
00:33:42.880 So we have this even in our Constitution, 14th Amendment, no state should deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
00:33:51.180 Right, equal protection just means, equal protection of the laws just means impartial justice.
00:33:55.200 Yes.
00:33:55.640 And so we think that's biblical.
00:33:58.640 Well, we should be doing that. 0.90
00:33:59.680 But right now, today, in all 50 states, it is legal for a woman to order abortion pills and take abortion pills to murder her child. 0.68
00:34:09.020 Has the current administration done anything about that? 0.83
00:34:11.800 I haven't seen anything.
00:34:13.060 You know, Bradley, they have the White House, the Supreme Court, and both chambers of the Congress.
00:34:17.980 Right.
00:34:18.420 This party that I'm sure you voted for them your whole life, I certainly have, to the extent I voted.
00:34:23.400 Every vote I've ever cast, I regret.
00:34:24.920 I just want to say that.
00:34:25.880 I'll make a quick case against voting.
00:34:27.440 But anyway, no, just kidding.
00:34:29.840 Sort of.
00:34:30.360 But anyway, they could do something about it.
00:34:33.020 But has there been any effort to do anything about it?
00:34:35.460 Nothing substantial.
00:34:36.480 I mean, nothing dealing with the actual root issue, no.
00:34:39.820 And it's something that we actually sent a letter, our organization, to President Trump in January on the year anniversary of his term.
00:34:49.080 Calling on him to, he's actually spoken, you know, some things favorably about abortion.
00:34:55.240 And, you know, calling on him to repent for those things.
00:34:58.760 And then calling on him to a number of policy things that he could do as president and should do.
00:35:05.180 you know there's he could certainly the most obvious is just the bully pulpit right i'm
00:35:10.780 thinking back during the biden administration you know halfway in the middle we have these midterms
00:35:15.280 and we just had dobs in that overturns roe and then the democrats are using the abortion issue
00:35:21.760 to try to regain power so the midterms end up being you know not what the republicans expected
00:35:27.100 them to be and um and then trump immediately responds to that and says it's because of
00:35:32.080 abortion you know we're being too strong on abortion oh yeah and uh he felt that way strongly
00:35:37.100 yeah and he's he made that very clear and then even the even the uh what i'm saying is he wasn't
00:35:42.780 advised by his political staff that's like not the product of you know testing they did he he
00:35:49.160 feel he feels that he feels that the anti-abortion people are a huge liability it definitely seems
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00:38:33.680 Convention, right after he wins the nomination or when he, you know, takes a nomination. Yeah,
00:38:38.600 they rip a lot of the abortion language out 1.00
00:38:40.680 of the RNC
00:38:42.600 platform and
00:38:44.380 weaken it and soften it
00:38:46.580 on the issue of abortion.
00:38:49.140 Huh. Yeah.
00:38:50.800 And so, you know, so
00:38:52.560 there's things like that, and he's spoken
00:38:54.400 very, you know, even the Florida
00:38:56.300 Amendment in his home state
00:38:57.620 that would have
00:39:00.740 created 1.00
00:39:02.020 basically a right to abortion there
00:39:04.500 in their constitution.
00:39:07.340 You know, he
00:39:08.140 kind of spoke somewhat favorably toward it and then he got a lot of backlash and finally spoke
00:39:14.580 against it very but not in a very strong way he loves abortion fact people hate it when you say
00:39:21.480 that because there's so many good-hearted pro-lifers that voted for him but that's just a
00:39:25.000 fact well and it's something that you know it's something that we have to um we have to be willing
00:39:33.540 to vote on that issue you know and we and if people are not going to act correctly on that issue
00:39:38.780 then we can't be giving them our vote that that has to be a line in the sand for us
00:39:44.040 and um because like we've gotten back to i mean our civilization depends upon it i agree that
00:39:50.040 pleasing god and not incurring his judgment depends upon that yeah you don't see civilizations 0.88
00:39:56.000 that practice human sacrifice thriving no no definitely it's the problem with haiti it's the 1.00
00:40:02.540 problem with africa because it's still so common there and um of course everyone pretends it's not 0.98
00:40:07.740 common there it is common there if you've been there you know that and so but um yeah our
00:40:14.380 civilization depends on it so you've petitioned the trump administration to do something by
00:40:18.680 executive order right yeah by by the bully pulpit by also the comp stock act you know is it prohibits
00:40:26.240 it's been around for over 100 years it prohibits the mailing of abortion pills among abortion
00:40:31.680 medication among a lot of other things and the biden administration said you know we're not going
00:40:36.820 to enforce that and put out a memo on that and the trump administration has just continued the
00:40:42.020 same policy of the biden administration that we're seriously enforce that yes yeah and they
00:40:48.660 so what's happening is against federal law but the administration is just allowing it to happen
00:40:54.340 anyway exactly because why there's not enforcing the comp stock act can you do that i mean that
00:41:00.820 But not enforce a law?
00:41:02.300 The president can choose not to enforce a law.
00:41:04.880 Yes.
00:41:06.320 Well, so how is the rule of law?
00:41:09.520 Well, because Congress is not holding him accountable, ultimately.
00:41:12.480 And because also the people are not holding him accountable.
00:41:15.680 There's not a significant voice demanding that he enforce it.
00:41:20.080 And so it's not happening.
00:41:22.600 And there's other things that he should be doing as well.
00:41:24.480 We should be putting pressure on the states to provide equal protection.
00:41:26.920 And if the states won't do it, then the federal Congress should be doing that, and Trump should be calling for that, saying, I want a bill on my desk, you know, providing equal protection for children, enforcing the 14th Amendment.
00:41:37.380 But he's not doing any of those things.
00:41:41.400 Have you ever known anyone who's had an abortion?
00:41:46.740 I know I do.
00:41:48.020 I'm not thinking right off.
00:41:49.980 Well, I have a lot.
00:41:50.300 Yes.
00:41:51.380 And every single one has suffered.
00:41:52.560 Actually, yes, I can think of several, yes.
00:41:56.160 I've never seen anybody who didn't suffer, like for real.
00:41:59.620 Yeah.
00:41:59.920 Like in some cases, life-destroying suffering.
00:42:04.440 Do you think that's true?
00:42:07.920 I think you cannot commit and act like that and be the same and be unscathed.
00:42:15.340 I think that that's, it goes to your very soul, especially as is your own child as well.
00:42:21.480 Yeah.
00:42:22.560 So how do you raise, who do you raise money from?
00:42:25.500 Like who opposes abortion enough to send you money at this point?
00:42:30.520 You know, I mean, Christians who believe what we're talking about, Christians who believe that this is what we as Christians should be doing.
00:42:41.040 You know, the scripture talks about Proverbs 24, 11, rescue those who are being carried to the slaughter.
00:42:48.440 Yeah.
00:42:49.280 And if you faint in the day of adversity, your strength is small.
00:42:52.840 And so there are many Christians across this country.
00:42:55.380 We call ourselves abolitionists. 0.99
00:42:56.960 We're trying to abolish abortion. 0.98
00:42:58.980 And there are many Christians across the country who they see.
00:43:01.500 This is something near and dear to the heart of God.
00:43:03.940 Not just the protection of innocent life, but also justice.
00:43:07.380 God cares deeply about justice.
00:43:09.520 The Bible says that righteousness and justice are the foundations of his throne.
00:43:14.260 In fact, even Jesus going to the cross is about justice.
00:43:18.320 Because all this sin of humanity, it has to be paid for.
00:43:21.920 Someone has to pay the price for that.
00:43:24.160 And he goes and he pays that price for all his people.
00:43:28.080 And he fulfills and satisfies justice.
00:43:30.420 And that the resurrection is so glorious because it's an indication that justice has been satisfied.
00:43:35.960 So God cares about justice.
00:43:37.660 And so Christians should care about justice as well.
00:43:40.580 Justice and protection of innocent life.
00:43:43.560 Where's public opinion polling on this question of abolition?
00:43:46.800 Yeah, we haven't seen a lot of polls, but we have seen some recently that have been very positive.
00:43:52.120 They've shown progress.
00:43:54.140 So, for example, we had a bill in Tennessee earlier this year.
00:43:57.880 It was the very first bill of equal protection that has been introduced in Tennessee.
00:44:02.180 And there was polling that came out before that that talked about, you know, do you support a woman facing, you know, criminal penalties for committing an abortion?
00:44:15.360 And the polling was showing—and that was a poll of just conservative likely voters.
00:44:20.840 and it was showing about 16% support.
00:44:24.260 But then the bill that we were behind,
00:44:27.860 abolitionist supported, was introduced
00:44:29.940 and it got a lot of media attention
00:44:33.000 from across the country and even internationally.
00:44:36.180 And that we had,
00:44:39.200 there was supposed to be a committee hearing,
00:44:40.580 but then it didn't end up happening.
00:44:42.080 Anyways, it turned into a big deal
00:44:43.960 and there was a poll done by Vanderbilt shortly thereafter.
00:44:47.540 And it wasn't just of conservatives,
00:44:48.680 it was all likely voters.
00:44:50.840 And it showed 24% support for the same issue, for what we call equal protection.
00:44:58.340 And that is that the same laws that protect the lives of born people should protect the lives of pre-born people.
00:45:05.140 So there's already laws on the books, right?
00:45:06.960 There's already laws against murdering people in every state. 0.81
00:45:09.680 So we're just saying those same laws should protect people from fertilization. 0.92
00:45:13.880 And no one should get an exception for that.
00:45:17.140 Murdering anyone should be illegal for everyone, including the mother.
00:45:20.260 And then we let the justice system sort out on a case-by-case basis.
00:45:24.460 Wouldn't it be easier to just prosecute the doctors? 0.90
00:45:29.620 Well, in some states, there are no more abortion doctors performing abortions.
00:45:35.080 In fact, across the country, like I said, between 65% to 80% of abortions, there's not a doctor.
00:45:43.120 It's self-induced.
00:45:44.740 The woman is taking the abortion pill herself. 0.99
00:45:47.200 She's the abortionist. 1.00
00:45:48.100 Who makes the abortion pill?
00:45:49.520 So there's different folks that create that based out of India and Austria and Africa that are manufacturing abortion pills and then shipping them in.
00:45:59.780 Some of them are shipped directly to the women.
00:46:02.680 Some of them, or most of them at this point, are going through different abortion clinics and abortion doctors.
00:46:10.380 Are there any American pharma companies that make them?
00:46:13.780 As far as manufacturing them, not that I'm aware of.
00:46:17.160 It's happening here in the United States.
00:46:19.520 And is that true? Internationally, abortion has been replaced by pills?
00:46:24.340 By and large, yes. That's right.
00:46:27.060 So what ended up happening after Roe v. Wade was overturned by Dobbs,
00:46:31.580 we saw a number of states had these trigger bills that went into effect.
00:46:37.940 There's now 13 states where abortion, we call them provider bans.
00:46:42.300 Abortion providers are outlawed.
00:46:44.420 Whereas the Planned Parenthood can't perform abortions in these states.
00:46:47.380 And then in other four states now that have six-week provider bans, so heartbeat bills, but yet abortion pills are still completely legal.
00:46:57.040 You can still order abortion pills, and you can still take abortion pills in all of those states.
00:47:00.460 No state has banned them?
00:47:01.980 Well, states have banned the abortion pills being provided or manufactured within the state, but the issue is that the abortion bills are coming from outside the state.
00:47:13.260 And because the males, that's a federal issue, it's not a state issue, the U.S. male, then the states can't do anything to stop the abortion pills from coming in.
00:47:23.860 How do they work? Do you know?
00:47:25.100 Yeah, so the typical abortion pill regimen first is that the woman takes mifepristone, and that is supposed to cause the death of the child, to stop the child from growing, to kill them. 0.73
00:47:39.780 And then they take misoprostol, which is to induce delivery of the child, separation from the uterus and delivery of the child.
00:47:48.980 And so that's how they work.
00:47:51.160 Now, there's also, you can do abortions without the first pill and just deliver the child, you know, without them dying first.
00:48:02.120 Oh, it's so gruesome.
00:48:04.000 Yeah.
00:48:04.940 And how late in term can you take these pills?
00:48:09.020 So, the FDA, I think, says it's either 10 to 12 weeks, I believe.
00:48:15.240 But there's people taking them well beyond that because there's people that are even taking them 21, 22 weeks.
00:48:24.520 There are even some twins.
00:48:25.760 There's pictures even of these twins from Texas that a woman aborted.
00:48:30.660 She just kept taking the pills and aborted these two babies at, I believe, 21 weeks.
00:48:39.780 Yeah.
00:48:39.980 In fact, we've ordered abortion pills one time, and there's an insert that came with it.
00:48:46.040 And it said, you know, if you're between this many weeks and this many weeks, do this.
00:48:49.660 Between this and this, do this.
00:48:50.860 And it said if you're 13-plus weeks, then you just keep taking four of these until the baby comes out.
00:49:00.900 Then there was no, like, cap on that.
00:49:02.920 Just 13-plus.
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00:50:28.820 I mean, at that point, this is a recognizable baby.
00:50:32.340 Oh, easily, yes.
00:50:34.900 Very recognized.
00:50:36.020 That's very heavy.
00:50:37.620 So on a practical level, I mean, even if the Comstock Act were enforced, I mean, you can order, you know, a pound of cocaine online, actually, and have it delivered.
00:50:47.660 Right.
00:50:47.920 You can order whatever you want online.
00:50:49.460 It's pretty hard to get caught.
00:50:51.020 Right.
00:50:51.640 And there's all sorts of other, you know, again, if the Hippogonite Oath was talking about this, you know, we've had different ways, different herbs and things like that to kill babies for a long time.
00:51:04.900 Of course, yeah, for thousands of years.
00:51:06.920 So again, you can, and that's why the issue really is about the abortion demand, right?
00:51:12.700 And that's why, you know, just going after the doctors is not going to solve it.
00:51:16.140 Because the doctors are just supply, right?
00:51:18.200 And the pills are just supply.
00:51:20.320 The abortion demand is by the mothers, and oftentimes, you know, by fathers, you know, as well, pressuring them into it.
00:51:28.480 That's where the demand happens.
00:51:30.640 And so how do you deal with the demand?
00:51:32.540 There's really two ways to deal with it.
00:51:34.900 obviously the way we would all love to deal with the demand is that these people would change their
00:51:40.120 minds, right? That they would, their eyes would be open. They would say, oh, what am I doing?
00:51:45.060 What am I thinking about doing? I'm murdering my child. That they would be saved from their sin 0.91
00:51:50.900 and become Christians, right? And believe in Christ and say, well, God hates this, so I'm
00:51:54.740 going to hate this, right? That would be ideal. But why do we have laws? Because not everybody,
00:52:01.720 That's not where everybody is, right?
00:52:03.540 We have laws that then have penalties to restrain people, right?
00:52:08.060 People who would otherwise be committing these harms and doing these evils.
00:52:12.080 We have laws.
00:52:13.300 And so that's how we deal with the demand is we deter it by threats of penalties, right?
00:52:18.740 That's what keeps people from, you know, murdering a whole lot more.
00:52:22.760 There would be a whole lot more murders if there weren't penalties attached to murdering people.
00:52:28.460 And so that's what we need as well for this.
00:52:30.800 Again, we already have laws against murder. 0.85
00:52:33.160 They just need to apply from fertilization. 0.80
00:52:36.620 Then that would then deter people from committing abortion in the first place.
00:52:41.000 There's so many post-abortive women who are abolitionists, who support equal protection, and who say, just with tears in their eyes, tears in their eyes, they say, I wish it had been illegal.
00:52:56.360 I wish I could have been prosecuted.
00:52:58.920 Because then I never would have done it in the first place.
00:53:00.780 i mean and how many former drug addicts do you know i know a number of them who are grateful
00:53:05.180 they got arrested and went to jail right yeah um and a lot of us me included you know spent years
00:53:13.180 arguing against imprisoning drug users because it's mean and the real problem is supply and all
00:53:18.300 stuff and i really felt that way and i feel like we imprisoned too many people already and the wrong
00:53:23.100 people and but i fell for that completely and then you know you go to meetings with these people and
00:53:29.100 And I'm like, thank God I wound up in jail or I'd be dead.
00:53:33.420 Yeah.
00:53:33.940 Yeah.
00:53:34.180 I mean, I don't think most drug addicts who get arrested are thankful to be arrested, but some are, the ones who recover are.
00:53:40.980 Right.
00:53:41.820 And I think you're, I think you make a compelling case.
00:53:44.760 What do people say when you say that?
00:53:45.980 Well, I think you're the average pro-life person who says, yeah, of course, I agree with that.
00:53:53.520 Isn't that what the pro-life movement's doing?
00:53:56.700 Isn't that what pro-life leaders?
00:53:57.780 I don't think I've ever met a bigger group of frauds in the pro-life movement with some major exceptions, but sorry, did I say that? Sorry. No, it stings because I actually believe in it. So I feel betrayed, I guess. Right. Do you recognize that sentiment?
00:54:12.860 Absolutely. Well, and I felt that myself.
00:54:16.980 How?
00:54:17.900 So, I remember back 2011, I've been a lawyer for four years, and I have a lot of friends.
00:54:26.320 In Texas, there was this bill, you may remember it, that there was a huge filibuster by Wendy Davis wearing the pink shoes on the Texas Senate floor.
00:54:40.380 This bill that would have done three things. 1.00
00:54:42.860 20-week ban, and then requiring hospital admitting privileges for abortion doctors, 0.96
00:54:48.720 and then requiring abortion clinics to meet surgery center standards.
00:54:53.380 And I remember a lot of my friends going down to the Capitol and rallying for this.
00:54:58.680 And then I think there were something like 20,000 pro-abortion forces.
00:55:03.520 They were wearing orange, and the pro-lifers were wearing blue.
00:55:06.800 There was a sea of orange.
00:55:08.760 Anyways, it turned into a big deal, and I had lots of friends that were down there,
00:55:11.520 and I thought about going down there.
00:55:12.860 And I say, well, I'm a lawyer now. I'd started writing some legislation on some different topics. This is actually 2013. 2011, I started writing legislation, but 2013, this bill comes up. And I'm like, well, I'm going to go read the bill.
00:55:27.180 And I look at this bill, and I'm like, there's something about this.
00:55:32.300 What are we doing here?
00:55:33.220 It feels like we're dehumanizing the child, you know,
00:55:36.300 and it feels like we're bowing down to Roe v. Wade,
00:55:38.700 we're legitimizing Roe v. Wade here.
00:55:41.720 And so I just kind of was off.
00:55:44.340 I just was put off by the actual way the bills were written.
00:55:48.060 Then in 2015, I had a friend that he started working for a Texas legislator.
00:55:56.260 and his boss said, hey, we should just outlaw abortion.
00:56:01.460 Can you go talk to the, you know, forget Roe versus Wade,
00:56:04.440 let's just outlaw abortion.
00:56:06.520 Go talk to the pro-life groups here in Texas
00:56:08.860 and tell them I'm thinking about doing a bill like that.
00:56:11.540 Would they support it?
00:56:12.920 And he went to them and came back and reported to his boss,
00:56:15.540 and then he told me.
00:56:16.980 And he said, I went to those groups, and I said,
00:56:19.140 this is what we're going to do.
00:56:20.400 Would you support that?
00:56:21.980 And they said, not only would we not support that,
00:56:25.040 we would oppose that.
00:56:26.260 so the anti-abortion groups are opposed to outlawing abortion they are tell me how that
00:56:33.460 works bradley pierce yeah so they they oppose they oppose equal protection right so they they
00:56:41.400 oppose um they oppose making the law apply equally to everybody to restrain women from
00:56:49.160 committing abortion so if you go look at and this is what at that time i was like wait what's going
00:56:55.340 on. A friend and I started looking at the laws in Texas, and we found in 2003, and this isn't
00:57:01.760 just Texas. I mean, lots of states are like this. In fact, every pro-life state has something along
00:57:08.020 the lines of what I'm about to describe. But we looked at the laws in Texas. 2003, Texas passes
00:57:13.700 a law that says that the definition of a person, of an individual person, now is not at birth,
00:57:21.900 It's now at fertilization, which is great.
00:57:25.120 That's wonderful.
00:57:25.940 We're like, hey, this is great.
00:57:27.660 So now you go look at the death.
00:57:29.420 Okay, well, then what is murder?
00:57:31.380 It's intentionally causing the death of, or no one causing the death of an individual.
00:57:35.780 So wait a second.
00:57:36.620 So abortion is murder. 0.97
00:57:37.740 It's already defined as murder in Texas law.
00:57:40.340 But you know what they did in the exact same bill that they defined life as beginning at fertilization?
00:57:45.080 they added in another section to the law that says this homicide this criminal homicide chapter
00:57:52.000 does not apply to conduct committed by the mother of the unborn child that's what they that's what
00:57:59.420 and i was like surely that was a democrat surely a democrat put that in there but no it was the
00:58:05.460 pro-life groups that that put that in there and it was pushed by pro-life republican politicians
00:58:11.480 and signed by a pro-life governor, 0.74
00:58:13.820 all of them providing total immunity for women to abort.
00:58:19.220 Again, not just women who, right, not just those who,
00:58:22.940 well, they don't know what they're doing, they're coerced. 0.76
00:58:25.380 No, just blanket immunity to all women who abort their own children. 1.00
00:58:31.160 Why would they do that? 0.99
00:58:34.660 I wondered that.
00:58:35.940 I thought maybe it was because of Roe versus Wade.
00:58:38.620 But then in 2022, we had an equal protection bill in Louisiana.
00:58:45.000 And just a few days before there was going to be a committee hearing on it, a few days before that, the Supreme Court opinion in Dobbs leaks out, right?
00:58:54.660 And so everyone's like, oh, well, Dobbs is about to overturn Roe versus Wade.
00:58:58.400 This bill provides equal protection.
00:59:00.460 What's stopping us now from providing equal protection? 0.76
00:59:03.160 We can't say it's the Supreme Court anymore.
00:59:05.660 So we go to the committee hearing, and the Equal Protection Bill just sells through.
00:59:11.020 Seven to two vote in favor of the bill.
00:59:14.120 It's headed to the House floor the next week in 2022.
00:59:18.560 In that intervening week, pro-life leaders, pro-life organizations start pressuring the politicians to oppose a bill that would abolish abortion.
00:59:29.860 And just a few hours before the vote was to take place, or let me back up.
00:59:33.920 So a friend of mine, Brian Gunter, he had worked with Louisiana Right to Life, and then they weren't supporting equal protection, so he kind of spun off, started lobbying for this on his own.
00:59:44.260 He calls all the legislature, calls all the legislators, says, are you going to vote for this bill?
00:59:49.980 Vast majority are going to vote for it.
00:59:51.700 They're going to support equal protection.
00:59:53.040 Of course.
00:59:53.600 It makes sense.
00:59:54.580 Yeah, it's murder.
00:59:56.020 Why should anybody get away with murder?
00:59:58.360 And he's like, all right, we got the votes.
01:00:00.840 then just a few hours before the the vote came up this letter drops on the desk of all these
01:00:09.080 legislatures all these legislators and it's from 77 pro-life organizations saying we oppose this
01:00:18.580 why they're they're saying that well the woman is an is a victim the woman's a victim yeah i believe
01:00:26.540 that also a perpetrator both both can be true both often are true by the way true that's right
01:00:32.640 and so they say yeah they say that she's she's a victim and that no legislator should ever support
01:00:38.100 any legislation that went in any way criminalize a woman and so these and these are national rights
01:00:43.420 of life susan b anthony uh and a whole lot of state right to life groups and a whole lot of
01:00:49.500 others and what i don't but i don't understand the thinking there yeah the the there's this
01:00:57.920 there's this kind of dogma in a lot of the pro again this is not like your average pro-life
01:01:02.460 person like average pro-life voter thinks wait why why should it why shouldn't it be legal for
01:01:07.820 women why shouldn't it be illegal for women to murder their children that seems kind of obvious 0.99
01:01:11.740 but the pro-life leadership and a lot of these organizations they say well women are second
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01:03:38.780 if something's illegal
01:03:40.640 it sends a really strong message
01:03:42.560 even if the penalty's not
01:03:43.740 life in prison
01:03:44.660 the penalty can be
01:03:45.400 I don't know
01:03:45.940 it doesn't even matter
01:03:46.440 if it's illegal
01:03:47.380 a lot of people
01:03:48.620 just won't do it on those grounds
01:03:49.660 right
01:03:50.720 that's just true
01:03:51.720 and you see it with drug legalization
01:03:53.000 right
01:03:53.720 you legalize drugs
01:03:55.680 and there are all these arguments
01:03:56.600 about how 0.97
01:03:57.240 well we're going to get rid of the black market
01:03:58.760 and the cartels will disappear
01:04:00.360 when we
01:04:00.820 you know
01:04:01.340 we'll be able to actually treat this
01:04:02.620 we can't criminalize addiction
01:04:03.840 and like
01:04:04.400 I fell for some of that stuff
01:04:06.220 but it was all a lie
01:04:08.560 Because the second you legalize something, it becomes way more common.
01:04:11.580 How much more so whenever we're not talking about a substance, right?
01:04:15.120 We're not talking about regulating or restricting a substance.
01:04:17.800 We're talking about prohibiting people from murdering.
01:04:20.960 I agree.
01:04:21.700 I completely agree.
01:04:23.640 But I'm only saying that because I have been opposed to abortion, you know, my whole adult life passionately.
01:04:31.660 My view has never changed.
01:04:33.420 But my views on what you're describing have changed.
01:04:36.380 And I'm only saying this out loud because I do think that there are people who are sincere and sincerely opposed to it who are like, well, that sounds kind of mean.
01:04:45.420 Like, why would we do that in their matter at the abortionists than they are at their victims or they see the women as victims?
01:04:52.500 Which, again, I just want to be clear.
01:04:53.680 I do think women who commit abortion are victims, but also perpetrators. 0.97
01:04:59.000 Right.
01:04:59.600 Yeah.
01:05:00.040 Yeah.
01:05:00.500 So I think sincere people can reach that conclusion and just be wrong, as I was.
01:05:05.340 Right.
01:05:06.200 But it's a little weird that every pro-life group has that view.
01:05:10.580 And it's been, and it's, the interesting thing, it's not just that they're like, well, we don't support these bills, or that's not our strategy.
01:05:18.700 But they've been actively opposing them.
01:05:21.640 So we've seen, these equal protection bills have been filed in dozens of states now.
01:05:26.300 and um and it's repeatedly the bills are killed by the pro-life leaders by the pro-life organizations
01:05:34.420 in state after state after state well we're in an age of total betrayal so it doesn't surprise me
01:05:40.460 right yeah there's this kind of cryptic line in matthew where jesus saying you know husband
01:05:46.440 will turn against wife father against son right you know when things really start to fall apart
01:05:51.160 betrayal will be the hallmark of the moment in effect i think he's saying that yeah yeah and
01:05:55.960 boy you see it now it's like i voted for this guy to save me from the very thing he's doing
01:06:00.100 right i mean that's just who hasn't woken up in the last year and thought that right so i guess
01:06:05.060 i shouldn't be surprised so how do they treat you the professional pro-lifers well i think for a
01:06:10.820 while they tried to ignore abolitionists um but then again when we when you put this out there
01:06:17.780 and you talk to the average pro-life christian average pro-life voter and they're like of course
01:06:22.900 Why isn't the pro-life movement supporting this?
01:06:25.300 And then you put forward bill after bill after bill,
01:06:27.360 and then they're seeing the pro-life leaders killing the bills.
01:06:30.580 They're like, wait a second, I'm not that.
01:06:32.660 I'm not that.
01:06:33.600 I'm an abolitionist then.
01:06:35.700 And so I think, so at first the pro-life leaders were kind of ignoring us,
01:06:40.100 and then we got enough attention that they had to say something and opposing it.
01:06:46.680 But now there's some that are listening, and there's some that are changing,
01:06:51.220 But it's happening very, very slowly.
01:06:53.340 And it's something that we need a lot more of.
01:06:57.680 Can you find allies from any of the other Abrahamic faiths?
01:07:02.960 It seems like there should be, 0.99
01:07:04.800 given the Torah is so opposed to human sacrifice,
01:07:07.580 it feels like you should have a lot of rabbis on your side.
01:07:09.780 It feels like you should have, you know, 0.89
01:07:12.740 emams from your local mosque on your side
01:07:14.760 because I think they're opposed to abortion.
01:07:16.560 Do you?
01:07:17.700 No, no.
01:07:18.740 In fact, we had a bill in Georgia just, I believe it was last year that we had a hearing on, and one of the legislators was Jewish, and she was saying, well, in my faith, we can get an abortion.
01:07:31.680 She doesn't know anything about her faith, because at least as described in the Torah, it's totally prescribed, prohibited. 0.81
01:07:39.160 Right, right.
01:07:41.020 Well, that's a whole other conversation, right?
01:07:44.280 No, I'm just sincerely confused.
01:07:46.580 I just think that—
01:07:47.560 Having read it.
01:07:48.160 Yeah.
01:07:48.740 I think that there's a whole lot of, you know, I believe that the faith, you know, when Christ came, they rejected.
01:07:57.460 They rejected their faith.
01:07:59.620 And they took another faith.
01:08:01.240 They took another line.
01:08:02.820 And the faith of Christianity is the faith that goes back to Abraham, right?
01:08:08.100 We worship by faith.
01:08:11.420 We are children of Abraham because we're children of faith.
01:08:15.120 And we believe in Christ.
01:08:16.820 He's God.
01:08:17.280 He's the Messiah.
01:08:18.740 And they've taken a totally different route, and that's why they reject a lot of even the things that they claim to believe in, even in their own Torah.
01:08:26.980 I mean, that's right there.
01:08:28.340 In ours.
01:08:28.700 It could not be clearer.
01:08:30.460 I think so.
01:08:31.140 That's the way I look at it.
01:08:32.220 It'd be interesting.
01:08:33.180 I would love to have that conversation, like a sincere conversation.
01:08:37.100 Like, how could you, you know, with Christian and Jewish leaders who say they believe in the scriptures.
01:08:43.320 Right.
01:08:44.360 What I've heard is that there's like Talmudic, you know, interpretations that somehow interpret it to be like you can commit abortion at least up to a certain point, up to so many weeks or something like that.
01:08:58.640 Yeah, that's not hinted at in the Torah.
01:09:00.260 No, definitely not.
01:09:02.900 Or even suggested in any way.
01:09:05.580 So, you know, I'm not a scholar.
01:09:06.680 I don't understand how those interpretations arrive at the conclusions you just described, but I don't see it at all.
01:09:15.060 So, are you making any headway at all?
01:09:17.680 We are.
01:09:18.180 We are.
01:09:18.800 We're seeing more bills introduced.
01:09:21.620 We're seeing more legislators sign on to them.
01:09:24.140 This year, we saw over 130 legislators sign on to the bills that we're involved with across the country.
01:09:31.180 And so, that's more than ever.
01:09:33.720 And so, yeah, we're seeing a lot of progress.
01:09:35.420 How do you make the case against abortion as an abolitionist to a secular American?
01:09:44.240 You know, I'm not afraid to just, and I know people are like, well, if I'm talking to a secular American, I can't use the Bible, right?
01:09:53.040 I can't use that.
01:09:54.200 But I reject that.
01:09:55.340 I think that we have to go back to God.
01:09:58.320 We have to go back to this is wrong because God says it.
01:10:03.740 And you may not believe it, right?
01:10:05.480 You may not believe that his word is a sword, but it still is, right?
01:10:10.920 Just you not believing it doesn't take away its power.
01:10:13.440 So I think even to the secularist, right, even to the one who rejects God, I think we
01:10:18.260 still have to come back to, you know, you say my body, my choice, but it's actually
01:10:22.360 not.
01:10:23.420 It's actually your body was created and God is your creator.
01:10:30.320 And you can't just do whatever you want with your body.
01:10:32.160 And you definitely can't do what you want with someone else's body, which that's what the child is inside of you.
01:10:36.540 So I think we have to start there.
01:10:38.240 We can't just say, well, let me, oh, I'm talking to someone who doesn't believe in the Bible.
01:10:41.740 Let me just set my Bible aside.
01:10:43.880 No, no, God's word is still God.
01:10:45.440 He's still God, whether they believe it or not.
01:10:47.640 So we have to start with him.
01:10:49.240 And then, yeah, then we can also then make scientific arguments like, look at this.
01:10:54.500 Look, from fertilization, totally unique DNA, right?
01:10:58.580 And just self-replicating cells here, right?
01:11:02.160 This is obviously, and what other kind of life?
01:11:04.200 Obviously human.
01:11:05.500 It's not anything else but human.
01:11:07.500 So here we have a self, you know, replicating, self-growing, you know, organism that is human.
01:11:13.880 And that has different DNA from you.
01:11:15.800 Exactly.
01:11:16.120 You don't own it.
01:11:16.920 Exactly. 0.99
01:11:17.220 Because you don't own another person because we don't allow slavery in this country. 0.90
01:11:21.260 So you have stewardship over the child.
01:11:23.100 It's your child.
01:11:24.280 Right.
01:11:24.540 But you don't own the child because he's a human being, not an object.
01:11:28.060 Right.
01:11:28.760 But the separate DNA thing is kind of a conversation ender.
01:11:31.680 it you know but but it's your body why does it have different dna well what are you even talking
01:11:37.100 about exactly well i think though i think we're going to see and i think we've seen people pivot
01:11:42.560 even to the because if they're like my body my choice like well that's not your body i think
01:11:47.800 we're even seeing people that are like accepting what we think is an absurdity it's like okay
01:11:53.780 yeah that is a human being but potentially i i well no i think there's people even admitting
01:12:00.220 like oh no yeah that is a human being but i have the right to take the life of that human being
01:12:05.120 because that human being that's a pretty ballsy stance i have to say to say something like that 0.92
01:12:10.600 out loud yeah i mean that's bold i have the right to kill somebody oh do you really where'd you get
01:12:16.500 that right you think there are gonna be consequences for that yeah agreed i had a long conversation
01:12:24.660 with someone on his deathbed once who lived a long and varied life and he said you know the
01:12:29.840 thing i'm most grateful for is i never killed anybody and i said why is that and he said it's
01:12:36.040 just become clear to me that that really is what matters like that's why you know this person
01:12:40.340 committed a lot of sins whoa could write books about the sins this person committed but he said
01:12:44.840 i never killed anybody and i'm just so thankful right again to me when you talk i've talked to
01:12:51.440 normal people in their deathbed and you and it's such an interesting experience because they're
01:12:56.060 past the point of like lying to themselves like when they their actual deathbed like i'm not
01:13:00.320 getting out of bed i'm dying right there's no room left to be like what really matters is my
01:13:05.020 promotion or salary or whatever title i got like they see things more clearly than we do i think 0.61
01:13:10.340 right and yeah and this person said that is i'm just so grateful it's a big deal to kill somebody
01:13:16.140 right bigger than we acknowledge yeah so when you say have you ever tried this uh this is such a
01:13:23.840 fun experiment just start saying out loud killing the innocent is immoral no matter who they are
01:13:31.100 doesn't matter if you kill the innocent you're committing the gravest possible sin
01:13:36.220 if you say that and i don't think objectively like how could anyone disagree with that
01:13:40.800 like what's worse than killing someone who didn't do anything wrong right but if you say you should
01:13:45.440 try that next time you're a mixed company republicans and democrats it's interesting you
01:13:49.180 will find conservative republicans will be like well yeah but i mean there are times you know
01:13:54.160 like they will be offended when you say that right what does that tell you i've done this experiment
01:14:00.000 so i know yeah it tells you that we're not valuing human life the way we should it tells you for
01:14:06.500 pretty easy but if you'll defend the killing of people who did nothing wrong i mean talk about a
01:14:11.980 dark agenda what's your agenda exactly right why would you defend that like what how could you
01:14:17.080 possibly justify that right and why would you want to right yeah so who are your allies just
01:14:24.740 a small group of are they catholics and evangelicals or they're they're protestants
01:14:30.360 so you know i would i would even describe kind of the pro-life movement and the abolitionist
01:14:35.480 movement are really two separate movements you know i think a lot of the pro-life movement has
01:14:39.780 been built on secularism and again lots of christians in the in the pro-life movement
01:14:46.320 But a lot of the core values of the pro-life movement are not biblical.
01:14:51.920 You know, the whole idea of justice or even that abortion is a sin, right?
01:14:56.280 Again, there's lots of people in the pro-life movement that agree abortion is a sin, but that's not how they're approaching it, right?
01:15:01.700 A lot of the pro-life bills are regulating abortion, like the who, what, when, where, why, and how about it.
01:15:07.400 Right.
01:15:07.940 And not actually say, well, no, abortion is a sin against God.
01:15:12.140 You don't, just like adultery, you don't say, well, I'll just do it at these times and in these places and with this age people. 1.00
01:15:19.000 Depends on how hot she is. 0.70
01:15:20.080 I mean, you know, they're mitigating factors.
01:15:22.400 That's not how God would have us to deal with it.
01:15:26.340 Excuse me.
01:15:26.980 I'm kidding, obviously.
01:15:28.680 Yes.
01:15:29.600 But that's how we're dealing.
01:15:31.040 That's how so many of the pro-life bills deal with this issue.
01:15:34.000 Not as a sin or as a crime, but as some kind of something, well, we can just regulate the circumstances of it.
01:15:40.720 And so a lot of the pro-life, you know, or even you put a pro-life person on a lot of, like, yeah, I've seen pro-life people go on CNN, pro-life leaders, and CNN comes at them with something like you've talked about, or like you were just kind of saying, well, I'm a secular person, I don't believe in the Bible.
01:15:57.900 you know it seems like you're just doing this for religious reasons and and a lot of the pro-life
01:16:03.660 leaders are like oh no no no we're not this isn't about forcing my religion on anybody this is about
01:16:07.840 human rights and things like that which of course it is about human rights and all that but which
01:16:12.280 derived from christianity by the way what do you think the term human rights comes from it comes
01:16:17.620 from the recognition that god created every person and that your rights therefore attached to you as
01:16:21.440 a human exactly not as a white or black or jew or christian as a human being because god created
01:16:26.900 to every single human being.
01:16:28.240 Exactly.
01:16:28.580 That's the whole point of human being.
01:16:30.380 We have to start with that.
01:16:31.780 We have to start.
01:16:32.400 If we start with anywhere else,
01:16:34.400 then we don't have a foundation.
01:16:36.040 If we don't start with God says,
01:16:39.120 that ultimately it's just we say. 1.00
01:16:41.400 Well, who am I to tell a woman 1.00
01:16:42.720 what to do with her body 1.00
01:16:43.540 or what to do with her baby? 1.00
01:16:45.120 But if God says...
01:16:46.620 No, it's the choice
01:16:47.560 between God or Larry Fink.
01:16:49.320 Right.
01:16:49.700 It's like God or just BlackRock
01:16:51.940 makes all the decisions.
01:16:53.380 And that is kind of the choice.
01:16:55.000 You know?
01:16:56.180 Yeah.
01:16:56.900 and that's an easy one for me.
01:16:59.480 So are you ever going to have kids yourself?
01:17:01.860 So I have children.
01:17:03.200 You do?
01:17:03.680 Yes, I do.
01:17:04.680 How many?
01:17:05.320 So, well, before this morning,
01:17:09.000 I would have told you we have 12 children,
01:17:11.940 but this morning my wife called me
01:17:14.340 and said we're expecting number 13.
01:17:17.140 No way!
01:17:18.940 Yeah, yes.
01:17:20.140 How old are you?
01:17:21.080 43.
01:17:22.240 Man, you don't play, or you do, I guess.
01:17:24.700 That's so great.
01:17:26.860 What's that like?
01:17:28.140 And how old are they?
01:17:28.720 Oh, it's so awesome.
01:17:30.560 I mean, our home is just full of life and joy and noise and, you know, lots of craziness.
01:17:38.220 But it's a huge blessing.
01:17:40.120 We're very blessed.
01:17:40.600 How many boys, how many girls, and what ages?
01:17:42.240 So we have six boys and six girls, and then question mark on the way.
01:17:47.440 and uh and what's interesting is that we actually have them um they're girl boy girl boy girl boy
01:17:55.900 girl boy all the way no so after our last one we always wait till the birth my wife loves it
01:18:01.020 the anticipation waiting for the birth to find out you know whether it's a boy or a girl so we
01:18:06.280 always have two names ready but after this last birth it was the previous one had been a girl so
01:18:12.040 we're like oh of course it's going to be a boy and and it was a boy and we're laughing i said
01:18:16.220 that to a friend of mine and he says hey have you seen this and he sends me a link to a guinness
01:18:20.780 book of world records and there there's a record for this like alternating girl boy girl boy girl
01:18:26.460 boy and the record was 11 and so you have the world record it's no not official yet but we're
01:18:34.420 waiting for the final confirmation of world record for of course we have i i can't take credit for
01:18:40.420 that at all you know it's totally just just god just decided to you know it's just a good sense
01:18:45.800 the humor and just do that for us. And so, uh, so yeah, so we have, uh, our oldest is 15 and we
01:18:53.000 have two sets of twins in there as well. So how fun is it? It's great. It's, it's an absolute
01:18:59.100 blessing. It's a, it's sanctifying. I mean, it's, it's, they're definitely, it's, there's
01:19:03.020 difficulties. I'm not going to pretend that there's not, um, but God uses those, right?
01:19:08.800 He uses difficulties to, to shape us and to remind us how much we need him. And, uh, so it's,
01:19:14.860 it's great they're a blessing people are worried about having two kids because of the cost yeah
01:19:19.680 what would you say i'll say that god will provide if he provides the children he'll provide all that
01:19:26.500 you need to take care of them and especially in this country i mean we're the richest people in
01:19:32.140 the history of the world um if we can't afford children none of our forefathers could none of
01:19:39.420 us would be here um but we we can definitely afford children that they that you have to make
01:19:44.060 sacrifices and, um, but, but they're worth it. That's how much sleep do you get? Uh, I, I sleep
01:19:55.280 great. We, you know, once you've had now 12, um, the 13 on the way, you know, you start, you figure
01:20:03.940 some things out. And, uh, and so we have tips and tricks about, um, you know, maybe he's going to
01:20:11.180 sleep and so obviously the first little first few weeks you know a couple months that's uh there's
01:20:16.820 issues there but um but overall good and uh so my wife and i have a um you know we a lot of times
01:20:26.880 the children at night you know the baby a lot of times she's she's you know nurses the baby and
01:20:30.760 take care of the baby but then all the other children at night you know if they need to wake
01:20:34.980 anybody up they come wake me up and uh so we're a good team how many bedrooms do you have
01:20:40.560 We have one boy's room and one girl's room and one mom and daddy room and then a baby room.
01:20:48.120 Are you serious?
01:20:49.240 Yeah.
01:20:49.380 You have a three-bedroom house and a nursery?
01:20:51.140 Yes.
01:20:51.700 Yeah.
01:20:52.940 Yeah.
01:20:55.340 So cool.
01:20:56.620 Yeah.
01:20:57.460 You know, you don't need all the things people say that you need.
01:21:01.900 We actually had some, you know, a lot of people come over to our house and they're like, wow, you have a lot of people in here.
01:21:08.300 you know
01:21:09.260 it doesn't seem that big
01:21:11.040 but we had
01:21:11.860 we had some people come over
01:21:13.000 this is maybe a year and a half
01:21:14.400 you got like a whole roofing crew
01:21:15.660 yeah
01:21:16.280 definitely
01:21:17.260 we have
01:21:18.320 some people came over from Mozambique
01:21:20.100 a couple years ago
01:21:21.540 we have a friend
01:21:23.240 who's a missionary there
01:21:24.240 and they came over to the house
01:21:25.960 and these people walked in
01:21:27.400 and they were like
01:21:28.760 oh your house is so big
01:21:30.580 right
01:21:32.620 I mean it's all about perspective
01:21:33.760 yeah
01:21:34.220 you know
01:21:34.700 and so many of our
01:21:37.000 my
01:21:37.220 my
01:21:38.300 My grandfather, he was one of 10.
01:21:40.880 And you go back, in any of us,
01:21:42.240 you can go back and look in your own genealogy
01:21:44.240 and you're going to see lots of families of 10, 11, 12.
01:21:47.180 And I guarantee you,
01:21:48.520 most of them were in much smaller houses
01:21:50.540 than a lot of Americans think today
01:21:53.320 you need for two or three children.
01:21:55.280 That's for sure.
01:21:56.040 So, yeah.
01:21:57.820 Incredible.
01:21:58.700 Well, you clearly mean it.
01:22:00.880 And last question.
01:22:01.960 It was.
01:22:04.440 It's been worth it, do you think?
01:22:06.580 like describe the blessing having that many kids is yeah it it is uh and god describes them as a
01:22:14.720 blessing you know when you go look at i'm sorry i'm getting choked up here but you go you'll go
01:22:20.180 look at scripture go look at the things that god loves right what does he love he loves human
01:22:25.700 beings yeah it's the very first command right after god creates the woman right he says to them
01:22:32.760 It says, and God blessed them and said, be fruitful and multiply.
01:22:39.380 And then again, then we have the world's wiped out through the flood.
01:22:43.460 Then Noah, it says, very first command after they come off the ark and God blessed them and commanded them, be fruitful and multiply.
01:22:52.240 Then we have Jacob, right?
01:22:54.480 Israel, right? 0.85
01:22:56.000 He becomes Israel.
01:22:57.660 And then right after God changes his name to Israel, it says, and God blessed them and said to him,
01:23:02.000 be fruitful multiply we see again and again throughout scripture children are described
01:23:07.840 as a blessing again and again and again and again and it's even just think selfishly right don't we
01:23:14.500 don't i think well i'm a blessing right i'm a blessing don't we even think pridefully like i'm
01:23:21.300 a blessing well well you were a baby you were a child and your parents had you and so you know
01:23:29.060 as some people would say, pay it forward, right?
01:23:32.620 You know, and then just trust God with that.
01:23:35.240 You know, if God wants you to have a lot of children,
01:23:39.060 trust Him with that, or God may choose not to.
01:23:41.520 God may choose for you to have one or two or none,
01:23:44.260 and He knows best.
01:23:45.820 And so that's what we've, you know, committed to
01:23:48.640 with my wife, Cindy. 0.59
01:23:51.640 And she's, again, a lot of people would say she's crazy 0.80
01:23:55.640 because she's like, I want another one.
01:23:58.580 I'm praying for another one.
01:23:59.980 I even love their twins.
01:24:02.000 And so it's been a huge blessing for us.
01:24:05.240 I just can't imagine thinking that that's crazy.
01:24:07.580 That's like the greatest thing ever.
01:24:08.860 Yeah.
01:24:09.460 Ever.
01:24:09.960 We think so too.
01:24:11.600 Congratulations.
01:24:12.420 God bless and thank you for doing this.
01:24:14.040 Thanks again for having me.