00:02:13.660And to go into that place and to commit murder of the most innocent human beings among us is a tremendous evil. Scripture calls this child sacrifice that we're, when we're murdering children like this, just on the altar of our own convenience or whatever it may be.
00:05:16.040Yeah, the Rome, ancient Rome, you had, there were certainly discarding of children that was happening right under pagan Rome.
00:05:24.580When they would expose children, they'd go leave them in the woods and things like that.
00:05:29.140And it was the Christians who would go and rescue those children and adopt them as their own children and raise them.
00:05:35.940So, you know, we certainly had people killing children, you know, even in the West for a long time.
00:05:41.440But then as the West became Christianized, right, then we see that even the early church fathers, they're saying abortion is murder, abortion is evil.0.61
00:06:15.660You know, I'm sure there are lots of reasons.
00:06:19.940I think whenever we reduce man to no longer being made in the image of God, right?
00:06:25.760When we devalue mankind, man and woman and child, and we say that we're just a product of slime or we're the product of monkeys or what have you, and you devalue life, right?
00:06:38.200whenever you separate the creation from the creator that's whenever um you know all manner
00:06:44.860of things right that's what we do right that's how we oppress other human beings we somehow
00:06:48.720devalue them and make them into subhumans so that way we feel more comfortable oppressing them0.99
00:06:54.080and that's what we've done here they're here to boost gdp they're not really human right yeah0.90
00:06:59.180they're units right um well you certainly see a lot of that i don't think you could wage modern
00:07:04.580war if you considered other people human right i mean a weapon of mass destruction you're killing
00:07:10.100people who did nothing wrong i mean you can't they can't defend that right right and yet many
00:07:15.300many many people do including people who vote for the same candidates i vote for so it's kind
00:07:19.700of amazing how universal that view is in the united states it's not just the radical left
00:07:23.940right yeah i mean ultimately people are not just like you said units or means to an end
00:07:29.860And, I mean, we are priceless, not because any of us are great on our own, like, you know, but because we're made in the image of God.
00:07:38.880We're made in his image, and he's the one who's made us.
00:07:41.340And so that's where our value comes from.
00:07:43.260And whenever we deny that, then we're denying the value that goes along with that.
00:07:46.860so if you were to pull the topic and say 1940 on the eve of the second world war in the united
00:07:57.120states is it would 1.1 million abortions be okay with you what would you guess people would say
00:08:04.960i think i think you would see people would be we were already seeing decline of christianity and
00:08:11.440decline of Christian morals even then.
00:08:13.260But I think there was still plenty of it left0.85
00:08:16.640that people would say, oh, well, of course not.
00:16:42.600Again, I think just people's eyes are blinded to that.
00:16:46.720I mean, there's still sin that corrupts people and blinds their vision.
00:16:53.840But again, that's why we seek the Holy Spirit and we seek to read His Word and ask Him to help us understand it.
00:16:58.960But to me, that's something that it should be clear to everyone who claims to be a Christian.0.75
00:17:01.920So when God says to the Hebrews, I'm giving you this land because I'm kicking out its current occupants because, and the main reason is human sacrifice, or one of the three reasons is human sacrifice, we're learning that there are consequences for doing this, not just in the hereafter, but now.0.99
00:18:00.220Child sacrifice cult immediately right there.
00:18:03.260And because Solomon does that, God says, I'm going to rip the kingdom out of your hands, but I'm not going to do it during your life, Solomon, because of the sake of your father, David.0.64
00:18:17.100but I'm going to rip it out from your son0.94
00:18:19.540and divides the kingdom after that0.98
00:19:15.120So, in fact, it's so clear that, again, I remain baffled that anybody, I mean, I can understand why people who don't believe in God or believe in, you know, a pagan religion might support it.0.75
00:19:29.080But anyone who identifies as a Christian or a Jew can't support that, right?0.72
00:19:42.440Right. You know, I think that there's always heresies. There's always false gospels. There's always false teachings. And I think we see that today. I think, you know, Satan even uses that, right? Comes clothed as an angel of light, but then leads people astray.
00:20:01.580So I think there's a lot of preachers, a lot of pastors out there who are either not feeding their sheep, meaning they're teaching on all these other things, but they're avoiding that issue, or they're feeding them lies.
00:20:15.360I think there's a lot of that going on.
00:20:17.320You said that the king who sacrificed his own children, that was especially offensive to God?
00:22:12.380Whenever we deny that, then he starts turning us over to our own debased mind.
00:22:17.440And that leads to further and further depravity and further and further insanity.
00:22:21.820And I think that's what we're seeing across the world.1.00
00:22:24.680And it's especially, you know, grievous, you know, in countries that may still call themselves Christian.1.00
00:22:35.760You said it leads to depravity, which leads to insanity?1.00
00:22:39.360Well, we said, see God, in Romans 1, God says that whenever they're no longer grateful to him as their creator,
00:22:45.660Then God turns them over to a debased mind and even describes them, you know, committing, men committing acts with men and all that sort of thing.
00:22:55.600And then it just continues into, I believe, is describing, you know, what I would call, maybe what people today would call mental health crisis, right?
00:23:07.020Anxiety, depression, and a lot of the things that we see today.
00:23:12.600That's why we need more SSRIs, Bradley.
00:25:30.060I think it's dawned on a lot of leaving aside questions about pharma and its intent or its role in our country.
00:25:37.320I think a lot of people are starting to conclude, at very least, the solutions that we have to the so-called mental health crisis are not working.
00:25:56.160But, so Roe v. Wade becomes law in 1973, six years after a decision called Griswold v. Connecticut, in which the court recognizes a right to privacy.
00:26:31.240And that lasted all the way until 2021 when we found out that just because it's your body doesn't mean it's your choice because you have to take the COVID vaccine.
00:26:38.240So, like, clearly that doesn't mean anything.
00:26:52.680You know, I mean, obviously the original Griswold v. Connecticut, that there's some right to privacy in between the lines, you know, in the penumbra of the Constitution.
00:27:34.120And so there you could kind of see like, okay, well, I guess, you know, what a man and woman do in their own bedroom and that sort of thing.
00:27:41.060Although it was, again, it was just planting the seeds that led to then Roe versus Wade.
00:27:46.200And I guess there they're saying that, well, that's a private decision, you know, by someone, by a woman and her doctor.
00:28:11.560But it hasn't solved the underlying issue.
00:28:13.760Yeah. And I think, I mean, Roe, to some extent, was a sideshow because even, I think, honest legal analysts would tell you, not on camera, it's an absurd decision. It was just a political decision made by a court whose job is to interpret the Constitution. It's embarrassing. Even if you're in love with abortion, you know, you could admit that. So now it's gone. It was always going to be overturned because it was just too silly to stand as a matter of legal reasoning, as you know.
00:28:40.060right but it does since it's gone it raises the question what is the justification for abortion
00:28:46.460because abortion is most americans say they support legal abortion but abortion itself
00:28:55.040remains so unpopular that no one can talk about it no one can talk openly about abortions because
00:28:59.720it would be if you were sitting at a dinner party and you describe what an abortion actually was
00:29:04.560like a medical abortion, people would hate you and leave because it resonates with everybody,
00:29:11.640no matter how pro-choice you are. Like you recognize that's horrible. Everyone knows
00:29:17.000abortion is horrible. And that's why it requires so much linguistic gymnastics to get it down your
00:29:24.460throat. Right. Right. So what is now the justification for it? Like it's more common
00:29:31.720than ever yeah because why you know i think and i i think it's becoming less and less um shameful
00:29:40.560you know talk about abortion there's whole movements like shout your abortion and people
00:29:45.100on tiktok celebrating their abortions and and again i think this is as we descend you know this
00:29:50.720this moral um you know this moral deaths that we're going into um i think that's what we see
00:29:58.260We see people no longer ashamed of their sin, you know, celebrating it, even, you know, making abortion cakes and all kinds of things.
00:30:07.240And I've heard from people who are even, you know, have been connected with abortion clinics.
00:30:13.580And they say used to the women coming in would be very, you know, ashamed.0.92
00:30:19.080But now many of them are just brazen, dancing outside the clinic.
00:30:23.580there's videos you can go see videos of this online um that people are much more brazen than
00:30:29.340they used to be so i have the opposite impression i feel like it's about to end abortion i feel like
00:30:36.300everybody i feel people dancing in front of abortion clinics are compensating for what they
00:30:40.220know to be true right everybody knows it's killing everybody knows that right and to the extent
00:30:47.100they praise abortion it's because they know they're lying and so they have to kind of dress
00:30:52.620it up right right and i feel like i'm not sure that everyone agrees that the nation is being
00:30:59.180punished for abortion which i fervently believe it seems obvious to me but i think people will
00:31:04.460begin to understand that i feel like we're i feel like 50 years from now there's gonna be way less
00:31:08.540abortion people will be doing it in secret because everything returns to nature in the end i'd like
00:31:14.940to believe that you know and certainly that's what we're working toward um we're working toward the
00:31:19.500the abolition of abortion, and we'd like to see that, you know, I think that it has to be for
00:31:25.580the right reasons. I think ultimately, you know, we have to abolish. What has to be for the right0.97
00:31:31.380reasons? Even abolishing abortion, I think, has to be for the right reasons. Now, again. What would
00:31:35.960be the wrong reason? Well, again, if we're doing it for some of the same reasons that got us here
00:31:40.040in the first place, right? If we're saying, well, we're going to, you know, our birth rate's getting
00:31:45.140too low, we really need for our economy,
00:33:22.060So we're working, you know, I mean, first of all, we have to trust God, right?
00:33:28.100God's the only one who's going to abolish it.
00:33:31.380And so we're trying to do what he says his ways.
00:33:35.200And so in Scripture, God says that we should do justice for the fatherless
00:33:39.660and that we should have justice without partiality.
00:33:42.880So we have this even in our Constitution, 14th Amendment, no state should deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
00:33:51.180Right, equal protection just means, equal protection of the laws just means impartial justice.
00:41:22.600And there's other things that he should be doing as well.
00:41:24.480We should be putting pressure on the states to provide equal protection.
00:41:26.920And if the states won't do it, then the federal Congress should be doing that, and Trump should be calling for that, saying, I want a bill on my desk, you know, providing equal protection for children, enforcing the 14th Amendment.
00:41:37.380But he's not doing any of those things.
00:41:41.400Have you ever known anyone who's had an abortion?
00:42:22.560So how do you raise, who do you raise money from?
00:42:25.500Like who opposes abortion enough to send you money at this point?
00:42:30.520You know, I mean, Christians who believe what we're talking about, Christians who believe that this is what we as Christians should be doing.
00:42:41.040You know, the scripture talks about Proverbs 24, 11, rescue those who are being carried to the slaughter.
00:43:54.140So, for example, we had a bill in Tennessee earlier this year.
00:43:57.880It was the very first bill of equal protection that has been introduced in Tennessee.
00:44:02.180And there was polling that came out before that that talked about, you know, do you support a woman facing, you know, criminal penalties for committing an abortion?
00:44:15.360And the polling was showingāand that was a poll of just conservative likely voters.
00:45:49.520So there's different folks that create that based out of India and Austria and Africa that are manufacturing abortion pills and then shipping them in.
00:45:59.780Some of them are shipped directly to the women.
00:46:02.680Some of them, or most of them at this point, are going through different abortion clinics and abortion doctors.
00:46:10.380Are there any American pharma companies that make them?
00:46:13.780As far as manufacturing them, not that I'm aware of.
00:46:17.160It's happening here in the United States.
00:46:19.520And is that true? Internationally, abortion has been replaced by pills?
00:47:01.980Well, states have banned the abortion pills being provided or manufactured within the state, but the issue is that the abortion bills are coming from outside the state.
00:47:13.260And because the males, that's a federal issue, it's not a state issue, the U.S. male, then the states can't do anything to stop the abortion pills from coming in.
00:47:25.100Yeah, so the typical abortion pill regimen first is that the woman takes mifepristone, and that is supposed to cause the death of the child, to stop the child from growing, to kill them.0.73
00:47:39.780And then they take misoprostol, which is to induce delivery of the child, separation from the uterus and delivery of the child.
00:50:37.620So on a practical level, I mean, even if the Comstock Act were enforced, I mean, you can order, you know, a pound of cocaine online, actually, and have it delivered.
00:50:51.640And there's all sorts of other, you know, again, if the Hippogonite Oath was talking about this, you know, we've had different ways, different herbs and things like that to kill babies for a long time.
00:51:04.900Of course, yeah, for thousands of years.
00:51:06.920So again, you can, and that's why the issue really is about the abortion demand, right?
00:51:12.700And that's why, you know, just going after the doctors is not going to solve it.
00:51:16.140Because the doctors are just supply, right?
00:52:13.300And so that's how we deal with the demand is we deter it by threats of penalties, right?
00:52:18.740That's what keeps people from, you know, murdering a whole lot more.
00:52:22.760There would be a whole lot more murders if there weren't penalties attached to murdering people.
00:52:28.460And so that's what we need as well for this.
00:52:30.800Again, we already have laws against murder.0.85
00:52:33.160They just need to apply from fertilization.0.80
00:52:36.620Then that would then deter people from committing abortion in the first place.
00:52:41.000There's so many post-abortive women who are abolitionists, who support equal protection, and who say, just with tears in their eyes, tears in their eyes, they say, I wish it had been illegal.
00:53:57.780I don't think I've ever met a bigger group of frauds in the pro-life movement with some major exceptions, but sorry, did I say that? Sorry. No, it stings because I actually believe in it. So I feel betrayed, I guess. Right. Do you recognize that sentiment?
00:54:12.860Absolutely. Well, and I felt that myself.
00:54:17.900So, I remember back 2011, I've been a lawyer for four years, and I have a lot of friends.
00:54:26.320In Texas, there was this bill, you may remember it, that there was a huge filibuster by Wendy Davis wearing the pink shoes on the Texas Senate floor.
00:54:40.380This bill that would have done three things.1.00
00:54:42.86020-week ban, and then requiring hospital admitting privileges for abortion doctors,0.96
00:54:48.720and then requiring abortion clinics to meet surgery center standards.
00:54:53.380And I remember a lot of my friends going down to the Capitol and rallying for this.
00:54:58.680And then I think there were something like 20,000 pro-abortion forces.
00:55:03.520They were wearing orange, and the pro-lifers were wearing blue.
00:55:12.860And I say, well, I'm a lawyer now. I'd started writing some legislation on some different topics. This is actually 2013. 2011, I started writing legislation, but 2013, this bill comes up. And I'm like, well, I'm going to go read the bill.
00:55:27.180And I look at this bill, and I'm like, there's something about this.
00:58:35.940I thought maybe it was because of Roe versus Wade.
00:58:38.620But then in 2022, we had an equal protection bill in Louisiana.
00:58:45.000And just a few days before there was going to be a committee hearing on it, a few days before that, the Supreme Court opinion in Dobbs leaks out, right?
00:58:54.660And so everyone's like, oh, well, Dobbs is about to overturn Roe versus Wade.
00:59:00.460What's stopping us now from providing equal protection?0.76
00:59:03.160We can't say it's the Supreme Court anymore.
00:59:05.660So we go to the committee hearing, and the Equal Protection Bill just sells through.
00:59:11.020Seven to two vote in favor of the bill.
00:59:14.120It's headed to the House floor the next week in 2022.
00:59:18.560In that intervening week, pro-life leaders, pro-life organizations start pressuring the politicians to oppose a bill that would abolish abortion.
00:59:29.860And just a few hours before the vote was to take place, or let me back up.
00:59:33.920So a friend of mine, Brian Gunter, he had worked with Louisiana Right to Life, and then they weren't supporting equal protection, so he kind of spun off, started lobbying for this on his own.
00:59:44.260He calls all the legislature, calls all the legislators, says, are you going to vote for this bill?
00:59:49.980Vast majority are going to vote for it.
00:59:51.700They're going to support equal protection.
01:04:33.420But my views on what you're describing have changed.
01:04:36.380And I'm only saying this out loud because I do think that there are people who are sincere and sincerely opposed to it who are like, well, that sounds kind of mean.
01:04:45.420Like, why would we do that in their matter at the abortionists than they are at their victims or they see the women as victims?
01:04:52.500Which, again, I just want to be clear.
01:04:53.680I do think women who commit abortion are victims, but also perpetrators.0.97
01:05:06.200But it's a little weird that every pro-life group has that view.
01:05:10.580And it's been, and it's, the interesting thing, it's not just that they're like, well, we don't support these bills, or that's not our strategy.
01:05:18.700But they've been actively opposing them.
01:05:21.640So we've seen, these equal protection bills have been filed in dozens of states now.
01:05:26.300and um and it's repeatedly the bills are killed by the pro-life leaders by the pro-life organizations
01:05:34.420in state after state after state well we're in an age of total betrayal so it doesn't surprise me
01:05:40.460right yeah there's this kind of cryptic line in matthew where jesus saying you know husband
01:05:46.440will turn against wife father against son right you know when things really start to fall apart
01:05:51.160betrayal will be the hallmark of the moment in effect i think he's saying that yeah yeah and
01:05:55.960boy you see it now it's like i voted for this guy to save me from the very thing he's doing
01:06:00.100right i mean that's just who hasn't woken up in the last year and thought that right so i guess
01:06:05.060i shouldn't be surprised so how do they treat you the professional pro-lifers well i think for a
01:06:10.820while they tried to ignore abolitionists um but then again when we when you put this out there
01:06:17.780and you talk to the average pro-life christian average pro-life voter and they're like of course
01:06:22.900Why isn't the pro-life movement supporting this?
01:06:25.300And then you put forward bill after bill after bill,
01:06:27.360and then they're seeing the pro-life leaders killing the bills.
01:06:30.580They're like, wait a second, I'm not that.
01:07:18.740In fact, we had a bill in Georgia just, I believe it was last year that we had a hearing on, and one of the legislators was Jewish, and she was saying, well, in my faith, we can get an abortion.
01:07:31.680She doesn't know anything about her faith, because at least as described in the Torah, it's totally prescribed, prohibited.0.81
01:08:18.740And they've taken a totally different route, and that's why they reject a lot of even the things that they claim to believe in, even in their own Torah.
01:08:44.360What I've heard is that there's like Talmudic, you know, interpretations that somehow interpret it to be like you can commit abortion at least up to a certain point, up to so many weeks or something like that.
01:08:58.640Yeah, that's not hinted at in the Torah.
01:15:31.040That's how so many of the pro-life bills deal with this issue.
01:15:34.000Not as a sin or as a crime, but as some kind of something, well, we can just regulate the circumstances of it.
01:15:40.720And so a lot of the pro-life, you know, or even you put a pro-life person on a lot of, like, yeah, I've seen pro-life people go on CNN, pro-life leaders, and CNN comes at them with something like you've talked about, or like you were just kind of saying, well, I'm a secular person, I don't believe in the Bible.
01:15:57.900you know it seems like you're just doing this for religious reasons and and a lot of the pro-life
01:16:03.660leaders are like oh no no no we're not this isn't about forcing my religion on anybody this is about
01:16:07.840human rights and things like that which of course it is about human rights and all that but which
01:16:12.280derived from christianity by the way what do you think the term human rights comes from it comes
01:16:17.620from the recognition that god created every person and that your rights therefore attached to you as
01:16:21.440a human exactly not as a white or black or jew or christian as a human being because god created