The Tucker Carlson Show - Charlie Kirk Was Right. Our Leaders Ignored Him.

00:00:00.520 Today is October 7th, 2026. It's the third anniversary of the most horrifying, certainly

00:00:07.740 the most widely publicized attack on mainland Israel in its history. Three years ago today,

00:00:13.480 of course you remember, forces of Hamas, the militant group, also the, at the time, government

00:00:19.960 of Gaza, the Israeli-controlled, semi-technically independent area south of Israel, taken by the

00:00:27.740 Israeli government in 1967 and run ever since.

00:00:32.220 Fighters from Hamas rolled over the border

00:00:34.780 into Southern Israel, into famously a music festival,

00:00:38.920 into a kibbutz, several,

00:00:42.640 and began killing people and taking hostages.

00:00:44.880 1,200 people were killed, the majority of them civilians,

00:00:47.520 a lot of them at that music festival.

00:00:50.280 And the world was horrified by this,

00:00:52.380 instantly horrified by it,

00:00:53.500 because it was obviously horrifying.

00:00:55.700 The majority of people killed,

00:00:57.740 to repeat were civilians they were not idf soldiers they were just israelis and

00:01:01.980 a lot of them were women and young people and and they were killed and people across the world even

00:01:08.140 people who aren't generally on israel's side paused to acknowledge all good people did that

00:01:14.060 this is awful there's no excuse for this and that no one can ever defend the murder of civilians

00:01:21.340 at any time, at any place. And so that was the reaction, the gut reaction of most people,

00:01:28.400 certainly my reaction, certainly everyone watching this, probably felt exactly the same way.

00:01:32.620 What only a few people understood immediately were two things. One, this is pretty weird that

00:01:40.060 this could happen. What was this? And two, this is the beginning of a change, not just in Israel

00:01:47.980 or in Gaza, though it was both of those,

00:01:50.020 but in the world and not just the Middle East.

00:01:52.640 That this event was likely to set off

00:01:54.760 a chain reaction of events

00:01:56.480 that would change the world that you live in

00:01:58.440 no matter where you live.

00:02:00.460 And so far over the last three years, 0.86

00:02:01.860 that has proven true.

00:02:03.140 That attack has given way directly

00:02:05.980 to at least six separate conflicts

00:02:09.120 in five different countries.

00:02:11.140 Wars in which many hundreds of thousands of people

00:02:13.840 have been killed.

00:02:15.460 And there's no sign that those conflicts are ending

00:02:17.500 anytime soon. In fact, as we speak, they are accelerating and they're becoming, well, we don't

00:02:22.060 know what they're becoming, but they are reshaping the world. So as our descendants look back on this

00:02:29.840 time, they will see, we believe, October 7th, very much like they see 9-11 or Pearl Harbor as

00:02:36.840 the beginning of a pivot point in the life of the world, of nations. This is when things began to

00:02:43.020 change, and we can trace that change to one day, to one violent act or series of acts, in this case

00:02:48.980 October 7, 2023, in Israel by Hamas. So as noted, the two things that a lot of people, me included,

00:02:58.460 didn't perceive immediately was this is very, very strange. How could this happen? And it turns out

00:03:04.220 the more you know about Israel, the way the country is run, how it's laid out, the geography

00:03:09.100 of Israel, the security situation in Israel, the more confusing this looked to you. And one of the

00:03:14.600 very first people to notice this was a woman called Efrat Feningsen, who was unknown to most

00:03:19.320 non-Israelis before that day, but who had served, like most Israelis, in the IDF, and shot a video,

00:03:25.980 a couple of videos, from her apartment in Israel, and basically said, I'm not sure how this could

00:03:30.740 happen, because I'm very fluent in how this country is defended, and this doesn't make any

00:03:37.280 sense. How could these foreign fighters get across the most heavily guarded border in the world, 1.00

00:03:42.860 some of them in gliders? It doesn't make sense to me. Now, from what we understand, she has not 0.97

00:03:48.320 lived in Israel since, but she was one of the very first people who the rest of us saw question the

00:03:53.480 official account of October 7th. The second person most of us saw make these obvious remarks was

00:04:00.660 Charlie Kirk. Five days after October 7th, he went into a podcast and said, this doesn't make

00:04:08.220 any sense. Here's Charlie Kirk from five days after that tragedy. I've been to Israel many

00:04:15.240 times. The whole country's a fortress. When I first heard this story, I still had the same

00:04:19.880 gut instinct that I did initially. I find this very hard to believe. I've been to that Gaza

00:04:25.580 border. You cannot go 10 feet without running into a 19-year-old with an AR-15 or an automatic

00:04:31.580 machine gun that is an IDF soldier, right? The whole country is surveilled. And so let me just

00:04:37.680 kind of go through this. We don't talk about Israeli politics very often, and most Americans

00:04:41.320 don't know this. The last nine months, Israel was on the brink of civil war. It's not an exaggeration.

00:04:46.280 This judicial stuff, there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets

00:04:50.420 because Bibi Netanyahu was basically redefining the Israeli constitution. That's not an exaggeration.

00:04:55.580 right he said the judicial branch has too much power there were protests planned this week

00:05:00.760 against netanyahu where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets

00:05:04.960 that's all gone patrick netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead i'm

00:05:11.280 not i'm not willing to say to go so far that saying that netanyahu knew or there was intelligence

00:05:16.140 here but i think some questions need to be asked was there a stand down order

00:05:19.460 was there a stand down order six hours i don't believe it israel's the side of new size new

00:05:27.720 jersey when i took a helicopter ride from jerusalem to the gaza border it's 45 minutes

00:05:33.440 six hours they're live streaming the killing of jews was that somebody in the government say

00:05:39.560 stand down that is a legitimate non-conspiracy question i'm not saying netanyahu allowed this

00:05:46.800 to happen because he was going to lose power if it didn't happen. Well, of course, that's exactly

00:05:50.600 what Charlie Kirk was saying. That's exactly what you just heard him say. Of course, he just explained

00:05:55.840 the political situation in Israel on the eve of October 7th, and it was basically curtains for

00:06:01.780 the ruling government, the Netanyahu government. But because of October 7th, Netanyahu remained

00:06:09.220 in power, and in fact does to this day three years later. Charlie Kirk knew enough about

00:06:13.680 internal politics in Israel to know that. Most Americans had no clue and was, of course, close

00:06:19.500 enough to many people in Israel as a longtime Christian Zionist defender of Israel to feel that

00:06:26.400 he could say that out loud without being called an anti-Semite. Needless to say, he was immediately

00:06:30.520 denounced as an anti-Semite by a number of figures on the right, all of whom are now extolling his

00:06:35.520 memory and telling you that Charlie Kirk thought things that he didn't actually think. People were

00:06:40.600 now close to the Trump administration. But at the moment that he said that, he was denounced

00:06:45.500 by American shills for Israel for asking those questions. But they were then, as they are now,

00:06:54.160 entirely legitimate questions. What did the Israeli government know about Hamas's plans

00:06:59.800 to attack mainland Israel? And of course, we can fill in some of those blanks. In a moment,

00:07:04.680 we're going to speak to Dave Smith, who has been following this since the day it happened,

00:07:07.220 and has those answers. But we know a lot more than Charlie Kirk did when he said that

00:07:11.720 three years ago. But he knew enough about what was happening in Israel to raise those

00:07:16.620 very obvious questions. But of course, they were almost entirely ignored by America's political

00:07:21.840 class. But that's not all he said in that interview. Here's a clip from the second

00:07:27.860 part of the interview, which is even more prescient and jarring to listen to three years later.

00:07:33.520 Listen, Bibi and the Israeli hard right government has a mandate.

00:07:40.060 I've got to be careful the way I say this to they're going to try to ethnically cleanse Gaza.

00:07:45.180 I mean, that's and I don't use that term lightly. 0.99

00:07:48.980 OK, they're talking about basically removing 2.5 million people from there.

00:07:53.660 OK, and honestly, they have a mandate to go seek justice and revenge.

00:07:58.460 They do. This idea that they need to have a truce or a peace treaty, that's morally crap 0.95

00:08:05.000 after you see women and children be burned alive and dragged to the streets. But there are some 0.93

00:08:10.040 serious questions here, Patrick. And let me tell you, my pattern recognition over the last five

00:08:16.020 years has become pretty sharp. COVID, Maui fires, Epstein. When I see a story and it doesn't click,

00:08:25.520 we're our guts are usually right wait a second did charlie kirk just defend

00:08:35.320 the idea that netanyahu knew that this was coming did he just compare the israeli government to

00:08:44.580 the epstein cabal did he compare october 7th to the hoax of covid he just did did he just tell

00:08:54.380 you five days after this that the israeli government will use these attacks as a pretext

00:08:59.260 to quote ethnically cleanse gaza you just heard him say that and it's interesting to hear charlie

00:09:05.700 kirk say that not like norman finkelstein because charlie kirk is now remembered as a stalwart

00:09:13.360 defender of israel someone who stood with israel's side shoulder to shoulder no matter what

00:09:18.780 and in fact many of his longtime friends today sent out tweets telling you that anyone who

00:09:27.580 questions the israeli government's response to october 7th in gaza is an anti-semi in fact a

00:09:34.780 nazi the hh secretary sent out a tweet saying that today comparing anybody who calls the israeli

00:09:42.280 government's response it's ethnic cleansing in gaza calls that a genocide which of course it is

00:09:47.620 it's ethnic cleansing, compared that person to Joseph Goebbels, a Nazi, claiming that you're

00:09:54.920 Qatari-funded, if you say that. But there's Charlie Kirk saying it five days after the attacks.

00:10:03.200 Well, how did Charlie Kirk know that? Well, because it was obvious, because he knew a lot

00:10:06.900 about Israel, because he knew the prime minister of Israel, and cabinet ministers in Israel,

00:10:11.160 because he'd been there a lot, because that's the world that he lived in. And so he knew exactly

00:10:16.120 what was coming. Now, why don't we remember that, that Charlie Kirk thought that? Well, because

00:10:22.340 the moment, not an exaggeration, the moment he was murdered in Utah last year, his memory was,

00:10:31.500 well, kidnapped by some unscrupulous figures, beginning with the Prime Minister of Israel,

00:10:37.360 and used to defend all of the things that he hated and warned against, very much including

00:10:45.180 the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. So one of the first people in the world, and certainly the first head 0.99

00:10:50.540 of state, to tweet condolences after Charlie Kirk was murdered was Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:10:55.700 And then he kept tweeting about it. Charlie Kirk, stoward friend of Israel. He should

00:10:59.300 stood shoulder to shoulder with us. My close friend, Charlie Kirk. Well, you just saw Charlie

00:11:04.840 Kirk accuse Benjamin Netanyahu of a false flag that resulted in the deaths of 1,200 of his own

00:11:11.040 citizens. Doesn't sound like a close friend talking, does it? Doesn't sound like a friend

00:11:15.300 of the Israeli government, actually. In fact, if you said that now, you would be immediately

00:11:19.280 classified by the Trump administration under the IHRA definition as an anti-Semite. You would be,

00:11:25.180 as the HHS secretary said today, tantamount to a Nazi for saying that. But the guy who said that

00:11:30.600 was celebrated by the guy he accused of doing it as his closest friend. That's weird. That is weird

00:11:37.500 to behavior. The current president's first tweet about Charlie Kirk in the hours after he died,

00:11:43.560 and you should pull it up if you haven't seen it, is Charlie Kirk with an Israeli flag.

00:11:48.300 So the one thing you're supposed to remember about Charlie Kirk, who was a particularly

00:11:53.000 well-informed and incisive and pretty unrestrained critic of Israel, actually, you just saw the tape,

00:12:00.460 the one thing you're supposed to remember is that he was at all times a defender of Israel. It's

00:12:05.380 the opposite, actually, of the truth. But everyone kind of united to tell that lie, and three years

00:12:11.600 later, it's prevailed, as lies do. If you tell them enough, loudly enough, aggressively enough,

00:12:17.220 and if you penalize people who refuse to repeat them, over time, history records them as true.

00:12:22.880 Everyone's saying it. It must be true. Charlie Kirk, one thing we know about Charlie Kirk,

00:12:26.520 he loved Israel. Well, did he really? He accused the Israeli government of allowing 1,200 of its

00:12:31.100 own people to die? Hmm, it doesn't sound like love. It sounds like biting criticism.

00:12:38.940 No one remembers. And nobody, and this really is the point, took time to answer the questions that

00:12:46.560 Charlie Kirk raised at the time, beginning with how did this happen and who benefits from it

00:12:50.880 happening? But how did this happen? How is the most secure border in the world in what is a

00:12:58.060 military police state, that's not a criticism, it's a fact. And if you've been there, you can

00:13:01.260 confirm it. You know that's true. How did that country allow guys from one of the poorest places

00:13:08.640 on earth, Gaza, to fly over in gliders and start murdering girls at a music festival? 0.90

00:13:17.240 No one seemed to ask that question. And because they didn't ask that question, 0.71

00:13:21.720 because they allowed obvious lies to go unchallenged, those lies were followed by

00:13:27.140 more lies. And it was, as it always is, a kind of contest among our political class. Who can tell

00:13:33.360 the most florid and flamboyant lie? Who can overstate the truth the most dramatically?

00:13:41.840 Who can make a claim that's so wild that you'd think the audience would laugh, but when they

00:13:47.400 don't, you just keep going. And if you do it long enough, you wind up where we wound up with people

00:13:53.660 like Mike Huckabee, the Fox News contributor turned U.S. ambassador to Israel, comparing what

00:13:59.620 happened on October 7th, which was awful, by the way, to the Holocaust. He actually said that.

00:14:06.660 Listen to this. Israel had people murdered in the most vicious, horrible way that we've seen.

00:14:14.440 And I wanted to say since the Holocaust, but in all candor, as awful as the crimes were in the 0.62

00:14:20.740 holocaust they weren't worse and in some cases they weren't as malicious cutting off the heads 0.75

00:14:29.080 of babies putting babies in ovens correction what happened on october 7th wasn't like the holocaust

00:14:37.880 it was literally worse than the holocaust it was worse than the holocaust it was probably the

00:14:42.040 worst thing that ever happened in human history so rather and this is probably pretty familiar 0.90

00:14:46.620 rather than just saying, yeah, it was terrible, like there's no excuse ever for killing innocent

00:14:51.780 people, girls at music festivals, children, ever. Well, of course, no one's ever going to say that

00:14:56.460 because it would be a universal principle to which the country that just suffered this crime would

00:15:00.220 have to abide. In other words, if you say it's always wrong to kill innocents and that constrains

00:15:06.600 Israel in its response, so what you say instead is this is a unique evil. Nothing like this has

00:15:11.700 ever happened anywhere. No country has ever suffered this much, which is, if you think

00:15:17.940 about it, not really a criticism of killing innocents. It's instead permission to kill

00:15:25.080 innocents, which is exactly what it turned out to be. Now, you may ask yourself, okay,

00:15:31.420 there's a longstanding dispute between the government of Israel and the Palestinians.

00:15:37.960 and you know people have different views on this and you know the facts tell a pretty clear story

00:15:43.020 there was this region of the world controlled after the first world war by great britain

00:15:48.300 called palestine that had been called a lot of different things over the past 2000 years but had

00:15:54.020 pretty much as far as we know the same population and a bunch of people from eastern europe showed

00:15:59.460 up and said it was theirs and kicked a lot of them out now that's just a fact that happened

00:16:04.460 it's provable of course through the census numbers like what happened to all those people

00:16:09.780 what happened all those villages well now a lot of the republic parks in israel now whatever you

00:16:12.980 think of that whether you think it's justified by the bible whether you think it's an atrocity

00:16:17.980 if you're an american you're kind of looking at it from thousands of miles away and you're

00:16:23.220 identifying yet another ancient rivalry between peoples who want the same piece of land and this

00:16:30.060 is, you know, this is a story of every region in the world, really, and always has been. So you may

00:16:35.600 ask yourself, despite, you know, whether or not you take a side or which side you take, what does

00:16:40.860 this have to do with me? So, you know, a bunch of Palestinians killed a bunch of Israelis, and now

00:16:46.720 Israelis are killing a bunch of Palestinians, and it's all bad, but like, why do I have to take a 0.54

00:16:51.440 side in this? Why is it my concern? And as if anticipating this question in the minds of most 0.98

00:16:57.300 Americans, the Israeli government began to explain it's your concern for a couple of reasons. One,

00:17:05.200 because this is far worse than anything that has ever happened to you. And so if you're a humane

00:17:11.780 person, you just can't sit back and allow this to happen to us because it's just unimaginably bad.

00:17:19.440 Like your imagination is not big enough to contain its badness. So how do they do this?

00:17:25.640 So 1,200 people were killed. And we still don't know who killed them all, by the way. Some of

00:17:31.280 them were clearly killed by the Israeli military, either intentionally or not. But that seems to

00:17:35.420 be a fact. And Dave Smith will have more on that in a minute. But it doesn't matter. They died.

00:17:40.480 And it's sad. But it's about 1,200. 735 of them-ish were civilians. So that's a lot. And it's

00:17:48.820 terrible. But that's not how the prime minister of Israel explained it to American audiences,

00:17:54.140 including to the U.S. Congress. He said, look, 1,200 people may not seem like a lot to you,

00:17:58.460 but that's 40,000 Americans. That's 16 9-11s. Well, how does that work? Well, it's proportionate.

00:18:05.300 You know, we have 10 million people. You've got 340. So proportionally. But of course,

00:18:09.720 what he's really saying, and subsequent events have proven what he really was saying, was

00:18:14.520 one Israeli life is worth dozens, scores, hundreds, thousands of the lives of other people.

00:18:23.240 our lives are worth more and we're not guessing that that's how he feels because

00:18:30.020 the subsequent three years have proven that so there have been by official estimates that

00:18:37.340 even the israelis don't discount about 80 000 palestinians killed in gaza but it seems very

00:18:45.160 obvious that the real numbers which can't be known with certainty because no journalists are allowed

00:18:49.560 into Gaza. No one from outside of Gaza who's not under the control of the Israeli government can

00:18:54.000 assess the situation. But from satellite photographs, it's very obvious that hundreds of thousands

00:18:58.200 of Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli government in Gaza. So even if you were to imagine

00:19:04.480 that all of them were Hamas fighters, but of course the overwhelming majority were not,

00:19:07.880 they were non-combatants, they were children, they were women, they were the elderly,

00:19:11.680 they were not in Hamas, they were not hiding in tunnels building bombs, repairing their gliders

00:19:15.960 for a new attack just like normal people sitting at dinner and they got murdered hundreds of 0.68

00:19:21.100 thousands of them but even if they all were hamas fighters you would say to yourself 1200 versus 0.83

00:19:29.480 190 200 000 is that a proportionate response only if you think the lives of one group are worth

00:19:37.760 exponentially more than the lives of the other group and of course we as americans and inheritors

00:19:44.380 of Western civilization reject that on its face, because we believe to restate, and this is the

00:19:50.020 basis upon which our country was founded, that every human being was created by God, and therefore,

00:19:55.080 regardless of ability or appearance or whatever difference that we have with each other, our lives,

00:20:00.140 our souls, are of identical value, because every one of them was created by God.

00:20:05.540 So in order to defend a response that disproportionate, you would have to reject

00:20:10.780 that idea which is the core tenant of western civilization it's the basis upon which we have

00:20:15.240 our justice system which punishes the individuals for his crime and not his family for his crime

00:20:20.140 so repeatedly in public the prime minister of israel told us that he rejects that idea the

00:20:29.540 foundation of western civilization and instead told us and then prove that he meant it the life

00:20:35.780 of one israeli soldier is worth many non-israeli lives well that is a much criticized principle

00:20:44.820 that was an operation on the eastern front during operation barbarossa and when the german army

00:20:50.760 was attacked by partisans moving through ukraine or poland and then mainland russia it famously

00:20:56.900 killed 10 50 partisans for every german soldier killed and for the last 80 years we've been

00:21:07.300 looking at that standard and we have said to ourselves out loud that is immoral because the

00:21:13.640 life of every person has identical values therefore when one of your guys gets killed

00:21:18.440 you can't in good conscience kill 50 of their guys because by definition that's wrong and yet

00:21:24.600 it's happening again. And because no one in the United States in its political class has been

00:21:31.520 willing to say out loud, this is immoral, and instead have moved for the last three years to

00:21:37.440 fund that ethnic cleansing, that genocide, the people promoting that genocide have been able to

00:21:46.740 both tell obvious lies without any pushback at all about the events of October 7th and the

00:21:53.600 subsequent events that have been justified by October 7th. And two, they have been able to

00:21:58.560 infect the American political class with their thinking. And this really is the virus that

00:22:06.140 causes the terminal condition among nations, is the way you think. The idea that it is okay

00:22:13.200 to murder innocents. Well, it's of course not okay. Morally, it is always wrong,

00:22:19.420 always and everywhere, but it is also a guarantee of your own destruction because what you do to

00:22:28.920 others will be done to you. This is not simply a religious precept. It's, of course, a Christian

00:22:34.360 idea. It's an Eastern idea, often called karma. It's very close to a physics principle. It is

00:22:40.260 just always true. You will be treated as you treat others, and so if you murder innocents,

00:22:46.020 you can look forward to a very tough future

00:22:48.100 in which people you care about are murdered

00:22:50.220 despite the fact they are innocent.

00:22:52.460 And so wise nations don't behave this way.

00:22:54.700 They also calculate threats on a realistic basis.

00:22:57.160 They don't become hysterical.

00:22:58.140 They don't go insane.

00:22:59.520 They understand that, yes, it's a dangerous world,

00:23:01.900 but not everyone wants to kill you.

00:23:04.240 And your entire gross domestic product

00:23:06.120 does not have to be taken up

00:23:07.140 with preparing for some war or other.

00:23:09.280 And if it is, you will guarantee having that war or other.

00:23:12.960 These are obvious things that wise people understand

00:23:16.000 that of course you need to be prepared and of course it's true to some extent that

00:23:22.200 you know strength is a good defense you want to deter opportunistic attacks on your nation

00:23:27.860 obviously you want to leave the back door open with valuables on the counter of course

00:23:31.880 but if you become obsessed with war and killing and imaginary foes seeking your downfall you will

00:23:40.900 create more foes seeking your downfall and you will have the wars that you worry about of course

00:23:45.420 and this is the way that israeli politicians live these are the lies they told their own

00:23:54.220 population we're a permanent war with every country in the region with every nation in the 0.55

00:23:58.360 world they all hate us but that's their problem because they're infected with this ancient

00:24:03.120 virus of anti-semitism they're totally irrational nothing we do is wrong everything they say is a

00:24:08.260 lie, that kind of thinking gets you nowhere other than destroyed. And underneath all of it

00:24:16.720 is the main thing that any sensible country should avoid, which is the total proliferation of lies.

00:24:24.020 You have to have a system in place in which telling the truth is at least conceptually,

00:24:29.340 conceivably, theoretically rewarded. You have to say, you told the truth, that's a good thing,

00:24:35.060 because we're basing our whole system on things that we at least pretend are true.

00:24:38.260 you can't allow everything to become a lie,

00:24:41.720 both because you get led so far off course.

00:24:44.760 You have no idea where you are.

00:24:46.380 You're marching without a map if everything is a lie.

00:24:49.600 There's no North Star at all.

00:24:52.420 But also because you devalue your own authority

00:24:56.300 to the point where no one listens to you. 0.99

00:24:58.580 You're a joke. 1.00

00:24:59.420 You're a buffoon who happens to have control of the guns. 1.00

00:25:02.800 But, you know, 1.00

00:25:05.080 the second you don't have control of the guns,

00:25:07.480 you're in trouble.

00:25:08.260 It's not an enduring way to run a country because there's no trust whatsoever. 0.83

00:25:12.540 But because our political class allowed Israel's political class not simply to mourn the tragedy

00:25:18.800 of October 7th, which would be just and correct, they should, and we should join them in mourning 0.93

00:25:22.820 it because it was awful, but allowed them to take that tragedy and use it as a pretext

00:25:28.160 to murder other people's kids and tell endless lies about it, it corrupted both of us.

00:25:35.480 that's the truth and one of the first lies they told was this was an attack on america well no

00:25:40.920 actually it wasn't it was an attack on southern israel by people who are mad at your country for

00:25:46.060 a very specific list of things that they claim you did maybe you didn't do them but this is your

00:25:51.000 dispute not ours so how'd they rope us into it well by telling us that a lot of the victims of

00:25:56.320 those attacks were americans well actually no they weren't they were dual citizens in fact we

00:26:02.060 checked today and we could not find a single American citizen killed on October 7th who didn't

00:26:08.100 have Israeli citizenship. It doesn't mean they deserve to die. They didn't deserve to die. And

00:26:12.880 we mourn their deaths. But that's not the same as rolling into a music festival in Miami.

00:26:18.960 It's totally different. The hostages, we were endlessly told, a lot of them were Americans.

00:26:26.000 What we weren't constantly told was, oh, yeah, some of them had American citizenship, but they

00:26:30.340 Israelis serving in a foreign military doesn't mean they deserve to be kidnapped. And we hope

00:26:35.660 they're okay, as we hope every person in this conflict is okay. But don't tell me this implicates

00:26:41.560 my people or my country. Why are we allowing American citizens to serve in a foreign military 1.00

00:26:47.620 in the first place? That's very unwise. It's offensive, actually. The idea that an American 0.97

00:26:53.760 citizen with a blue passport could be serving for someone else's military? It's not even worth 0.97

00:26:59.620 explaining why that's absurd it's obviously insulting to the united states but in practical

00:27:06.540 terms it becomes very complex and can be used to lure us into conflicts that don't benefit

00:27:13.380 fit us at all because you can wind up with politicians telling you that we have to get

00:27:20.160 involved because they've attacked americans without mentioning those americans weren't

00:27:23.640 actually american they're israelis serving in someone else's military watch our president

00:27:30.220 celebrate the release of an american from hamas custody very happy to announce that

00:27:39.080 edan alexander an american citizen who until recently most thought was no longer living

00:27:47.120 thought was dead uh is going to be released in about two hours actually

00:27:53.000 so that's great i mean look everybody in captivity including the tens of thousands

00:28:01.140 of palestinian arabs who are in israeli captivity tonight facing no charges at all but just

00:28:06.460 endlessly held in prison cells we wish all of them freedom free the captives all good people

00:28:13.500 feel that way. People who are held without charges, who are held for no good reason, who have been

00:28:19.200 found guilty of no crime by a legitimate quarter and being held. That would include this guy,

00:28:23.380 Alexander. I'm grateful when all of them are released, including him. But the guy was not an

00:28:29.460 American. He wasn't even technically an American. Today, Max Blumenthal of the gray zone proved in

00:28:35.280 a piece that this guy, Alexander, who was born in Israel, lived in New Jersey at some point,

00:28:42.580 was back in Israel fighting with the foreign military, the IDF, when he was kidnapped,

00:28:49.040 has, subsequent to his kidnapping, after he was kidnapped, applied for American citizenship 0.88

00:28:54.660 back in the United States and then announced publicly, I'm moving back to Israel to fight

00:28:58.080 with the IDF again. So, of course, you wish him well, as you wish every person well,

00:29:04.540 but if you are an actual American, you have to ask yourself, are we being used here? Maybe a

00:29:08.540 little bit. Here's a guy who's not an American citizen. Everyone's lying, including the president

00:29:12.600 of the United States and telling us he is an American citizen. And they're using that lie

00:29:17.440 to get us involved in somebody else's conflict. And by involved, we mean paying for it and putting

00:29:23.040 our soldiers' lives at risk. And now a bunch of them have been killed defending Israel.

00:29:29.200 And like, why wouldn't you resent that? Because it's a lie. But when you don't stop people from 0.94

00:29:35.140 telling lies. When you don't stop your leader's cold and say, wait a second, what you're saying

00:29:38.900 is untrue. Don't lie to me. I have self-respect. You can't do that to me. When you don't do that,

00:29:45.460 it just gets worse. It gets crazier and people get crazier.

00:29:50.520 And all of a sudden you have American politicians starting to imagine that Israel's wars are our

00:29:59.060 wars. Israel's enemies are our enemies. Israel's on the brink of destruction at all times for the

00:30:03.900 past 80 years okay okay but they start to imagine that we are too we face all these threats

00:30:10.240 so if you watch netanyahu long enough you start to feel sorry for him i mean obviously the guy's

00:30:15.260 a liar he's committed genocide i mean it's very few things to recommend it but there is one thing

00:30:20.440 on which you can feel some sympathy for him he is really wound up this is a guy who feels that the 0.96

00:30:25.080 world wants to kill him at all times and maybe he's right that's not healthy you can't make good

00:30:30.040 decisions when you see the rest of the world is your enemy, when every other person is a potential

00:30:35.360 murderer of you. You don't want leaders like that at all. You want calm, wise leaders,

00:30:41.560 longitudinal thinkers. But all of a sudden, you're seeing American politicians acting like

00:30:46.780 they're Israeli politicians. We're on the brink of getting killed by all of our enemies. 0.61

00:30:51.020 And they seem to really believe it. Here's Rick Scott of Florida. Watch this.

00:30:54.860 Prior presidents had basically appeased around. They've been killing us for 47 years. They were

00:30:58.820 close to a nuclear weapon. So when somebody wants to have a nuclear weapon to kill you, 0.94

00:31:02.500 it's probably not a choice. You probably better do something to stop yourself from being killed. 0.65

00:31:06.000 I don't want a nuclear weapon. I mean, I don't want my kids or grandkids killed by a nuclear

00:31:09.120 weapon. I don't like high gas prices, but I don't want to be killed by a nuclear weapon.

00:31:13.500 So that's kind of your choice. You get high gas prices or you get killed by a nuclear weapon.

00:31:18.180 They've been killing us for 47 years. Who are they exactly? The Iranians have been killing us

00:31:22.380 for 47 years? When and where? What are you even talking about? You lunatic. 1.00

00:31:26.420 but as you watch that especially those of us who know rick scott don't think he's a genius but 0.98

00:31:32.360 don't think he's evil or anything you start to suspect that maybe he really thinks that maybe

00:31:36.280 he's been listening to too many briefings maybe all of his donors have been convinced him

00:31:40.000 that he's actually living in a world where you get nuked at any minute including by countries

00:31:43.920 that don't have nuclear weapons or the means to deliver them ron doesn't have either one and

00:31:48.720 never has but maybe if you sit and listen to people lie at you for long enough and never call

00:31:55.020 them out on their lies you start to absorb and internalize those lies and you believe them and

00:32:00.000 they infect you and it seems to be what's happening october 7th in addition to causing the deaths

00:32:07.260 of 1200 people 700 at least of them innocent people who did not deserve to die

00:32:12.880 in addition to that which is just inherently a tragedy

00:32:17.000 has turned entire populations crazy, crazy,

00:32:21.840 which is a bigger tragedy.

00:32:25.060 It has brought out latent extremism.

00:32:29.200 Extremism.

00:32:29.760 Extremism is one of those words that's so overused.

00:32:32.720 The ADL is issuing a report every week.

00:32:34.380 The Department of Justice, same thing on extremism, extremism.

00:32:36.820 Extremism is almost always defined as any view that gets in my way.

00:32:40.500 Oh, you're an extremist.

00:32:42.840 But there's also a technical definition of extremism.

00:32:45.420 right we can measure it because we public opinion polling an extremist view is a view that is

00:32:50.140 shared by only a tiny percentage of the population that's by definition extremist view 0.97

00:32:53.500 a majority would view would be hey stop killing kids an extremist view is hey let's go kill some

00:32:59.940 kids and that view has become not just more prevalent in israel it has become the dominant 0.54

00:33:10.180 view and that has happened you know whatever you say about israel that was not the dominant view

00:33:15.100 in Israel even three years ago.

00:33:16.900 There were plenty of people in Israel

00:33:18.540 who had humane views,

00:33:21.360 even about the Palestinians. 1.00

00:33:22.560 Maybe not enough of them.

00:33:25.020 But there were some,

00:33:26.340 and they had a voice.

00:33:27.660 But since that day,

00:33:29.680 you have seen people

00:33:32.300 who have genocidal views,

00:33:34.020 who openly admire

00:33:35.560 and call for mass murder,

00:33:38.400 seem to be speaking

00:33:39.260 without competition at all.

00:33:41.420 And here's one of them.

00:33:42.060 The man you're about to watch,

00:33:42.900 I think, was the...

00:33:45.100 deputy speaker of the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, he certainly served there.

00:33:48.940 He's in Netanyahu's coalition. He's a well-known guy in Israel. And he was asked recently,

00:33:54.040 I think this is just two days old, was asked recently on Israeli television in English, 0.98

00:33:58.680 should we really kill everybody in Gaza, like including the kids? Listen carefully to his 0.89

00:34:03.420 response. Is it a Jewish point of view to wipe out all of Gaza though and get everyone out of there 1.00

00:34:10.620 and annex and annex the West Bank? 0.83

00:34:13.620 Like, do you believe that? 0.61

00:34:14.620 100%.

00:34:16.620 And you think that everything

00:34:18.120 should be annexed completely? 0.99

00:34:19.620 In Gaza, they shouldn't. 0.98

00:34:21.620 Look. 0.79

00:34:23.620 What about international response to this?

00:34:25.620 Before we talk about international response,

00:34:27.620 okay, you have to realize, Keshet,

00:34:33.620 the baby that will be born,

00:34:37.620 I'll say something very tough now, okay?

00:34:39.620 okay excuse me for saying that the baby that will be born tomorrow

00:34:46.260 in gaza the arab baby notice that i'm not saying hamas i'm not saying palestinian

00:34:52.660 there's there's a so-called national entity that we created in gaza okay the enemy is gaza not hamas

00:35:01.700 The baby

00:35:05.760 that will be born

00:35:07.360 in Gaza tomorrow

00:35:09.460 will do exactly

00:35:13.640 the same.

00:35:15.700 God forbid, to your

00:35:17.600 baby, they'll be born tomorrow 1.00

00:35:19.640 in Jerusalem.

00:35:21.500 There's no other way. 1.00

00:35:23.100 That's the reason they live

00:35:25.660 for.

00:35:27.780 That's what they

00:35:28.920 learned with their mother's

00:35:31.700 milk. Did he just say that we should kill all the babies because they are born hating Israelis? 1.00

00:35:44.080 It's in their blood. Therefore, the babies are guilty. Did he actually just say that? Yes, 1.00

00:35:49.200 he did just say that. Now, imagine saying that about any other group. If you said that about

00:35:55.100 Jews, we need to kill all the Jews because they're born hating all the Arabs. You would be 1.00

00:36:00.640 you would be rightly attacked for being a nazi lunatic 1.00

00:36:04.960 but when someone says that about the palestinians that person should also be rightly 0.98

00:36:10.040 attacked as a nazi lunatic and by the way this is a guy who's praised hitler weirdly enough

00:36:14.520 and look it up if you don't believe it a lot but he just said that now this is a guy who's running

00:36:21.620 for office right now who's in netanyahu's coalition so where was the response from netanyahu 0.94

00:36:25.820 you would think imagine an american politician saying of any group we should kill them all 1.00

00:36:29.860 including the babies. You have to kill the babies. Have to. I mean, you may not want to, but you got 1.00

00:36:33.500 to. Well, that person you would hope would have no place in American politics, except increasingly

00:36:42.880 you are hearing people who used to be on the fringes of American politics and now are getting

00:36:48.400 rides in Air Force One saying that about the Arabs. In other words, they've imported this 0.99

00:36:53.080 worldview from Israel into American politics, and all of a sudden you have people defending

00:36:59.880 and laughing about genocide in the United States. That's not good for us. When you have a sitting

00:37:06.180 member of Congress from Florida, Randy Fine, laughing at a picture of a dead child in Gaza,

00:37:12.440 it's not simply Randy Fine who suffers. I mean, he'll have to answer for that at some point.

00:37:17.580 He doubtless doesn't believe in that God, but that God exists, and that's his problem.

00:37:20.500 but the rest of us are diminished by it that's our leader this stuff happens incrementally and

00:37:27.160 you wake up one morning and all of a sudden there's the guy there's the netanyahu ally sitting

00:37:31.480 in an interview saying no we need to kill all the babies and even the interviews host seemed a little 0.69

00:37:37.080 bit confused with it really she asked what what are you suggesting like nuking them and here's 0.97

00:37:42.960 what he said watch you know if we would have done what i said needs to be done if he would have done

00:37:49.080 gaza what the british people did in hamburg and what what the americans didn't did in in nagasaki

00:37:56.280 okay to blow it up you're saying to finish that okay this movie naza just came out right would

00:38:03.600 never came the world would have been with us just as they were with us after we won the sixth day 0.57

00:38:08.320 war but you don't think about you know blow just blowing it up let's say as you're mentioning like

00:38:13.900 the children

00:38:15.940 that are there, the babies?

00:38:18.160 I'm saying again.

00:38:19.840 Because I'm Jewish 1.00

00:38:21.460 and I guess I'm a little bit weak

00:38:23.640 morally, I don't

00:38:26.040 want to see babies killed.

00:38:29.200 Morally, 1.00

00:38:30.000 that's what should have been done.

00:38:31.920 Because of everything I explained.

00:38:33.740 But because I'm

00:38:36.440 Jewish with

00:38:37.640 soft heart, I would

00:38:39.880 open the borders 0.97

00:38:41.500 and let them all go, but no one can 0.99

00:38:43.740 so morally we should kill all the babies morally well that's the point at which the interviewer 0.98

00:38:50.620 says hold on what moral scale are you using what religion do you believe in where are you getting 0.99

00:38:56.640 that according to whose moral code is killing all the babies a good idea you're not buying into the 0.60

00:39:04.200 amalek thing are you but of course he is and so is the prime minister of the country who days

00:39:10.240 after october 7th compared the palestinians not just gaza in gaza but all palestinians arabs

00:39:16.800 not just hamas leadership in their tunnels with their bombs but the kids too to amalek and of

00:39:23.360 course that's a direct reference to the amalek of the torah the old testament opponents of israel

00:39:30.460 who were murdered down to the last baby and the livestock per command of god so the prime minister

00:39:38.500 of the country called for total genocide days after october 7th and the political class in

00:39:45.220 the united states ignored it like oh that didn't happen he didn't say that so he said it again

00:39:49.440 and again and again and then he told us 1200 of our people were 40 000 of yours and we ignored

00:39:55.860 that too and continued to send him bombs to commit the genocide that he promised he would commit

00:40:00.580 so once again that's not simply an attack on the prime minister of israel or his political allies

00:40:07.280 like the one you just saw, 0.95

00:40:08.160 calling for killing every baby 0.99

00:40:09.500 and scolding himself as morally weak 1.00

00:40:12.040 for not being on board with killing every baby.

00:40:15.120 What about our politicians

00:40:16.580 who are signing onto this in our name?

00:40:19.300 This is polluting and destroying

00:40:21.260 the soul of our country.

00:40:23.520 And that's the real cost.

00:40:26.140 It's to us as we stand by and fund this

00:40:30.020 and applaud it and attack increasingly

00:40:32.400 anyone who disapproves of it.

00:40:35.540 We are being destroyed.

00:40:37.280 And our own justification for ruling the world becomes totally untenable.

00:40:41.260 If you're the country whose leadership applauds genocide,

00:40:44.580 on what grounds do you have the right to rule?

00:40:46.620 Well, none, actually.

00:40:48.580 At that point, it's just who's got the more powerful military.

00:40:51.120 And I would remind you that ours is totally incapable of getting anywhere near the Iranian coast

00:40:55.500 or near the Houthis in Yemen.

00:40:57.800 So for all the self-congratulation about the most powerful military in the world,

00:41:00.960 ours has limits.

00:41:02.180 And they're on display now.

00:41:04.180 So without the moral justification,

00:41:05.700 without the aircraft carriers to enforce our will,

00:41:07.940 what do we have?

00:41:08.880 The U.S. dollar?

00:41:10.440 You can see how empires and the nations that sustain them

00:41:14.480 collapse pretty quickly

00:41:16.140 when they've got nothing propping them up.

00:41:19.640 And increasingly we don't because of this.

00:41:23.100 Because we are signing onto a project

00:41:25.980 that is totally indefensible,

00:41:28.320 that God does not approve of,

00:41:29.680 that history will condemn, 0.59

00:41:30.740 and that the rest of the world looks on at in disgust, rightly so. 0.94

00:41:37.180 So what do you do about this if you're the American ruling class?

00:41:40.280 You've signed on to something that everybody hates

00:41:42.260 and no decent person could ever defend.

00:41:44.820 Killing children?

00:41:46.560 No one could ever defend that. 0.54

00:41:48.160 They didn't do anything wrong. 0.96

00:41:49.520 You can't kill them.

00:41:51.660 And yet our political class is on board, both parties.

00:41:54.680 So what do you do about the fact that, like, I don't know,

00:41:57.380 75% of your population finds it repugnant?

00:42:00.740 Do you change? 0.97

00:42:02.040 Do you admit that actually, no, killing kids is bad? 0.67

00:42:05.680 No.

00:42:06.800 You punish people for disagreeing.

00:42:09.280 You invert the moral scale.

00:42:12.600 You get caught doing something horrible,

00:42:14.460 and you attack the person who caught you as the real criminal.

00:42:18.120 If you've ever lived with a narcissist, you're very familiar with this.

00:42:23.640 It's always your fault.

00:42:26.080 You catch them doing something appalling, no matter how appalling.

00:42:28.680 in fact the more appalling the more it's your fault so you you call out someone calling for

00:42:34.700 the murder of babies and all of a sudden you become the criminal the thought criminal you're

00:42:41.020 a hater and if you marry that narcissistic impulse to the largest and best funded government in the

00:42:49.160 history of mankind which would be the u.s government you've got a pretty powerful force

00:42:53.900 so watch the trump administration's new anti-semitism czar explain that they have

00:43:01.860 weaponized the department of state and our entire immigration system to punish people for criticizing

00:43:08.320 the israeli genocide in gaza they just say it out loud watch this as anti-semitism surges globally

00:43:14.820 the president took unprecedented measures on day one of the administration he signed an executive

00:43:21.500 order and protected the students on college campuses, that anti-Semitism is something

00:43:30.740 that cabinet officials can deal with.

00:43:34.700 We've implemented a rigorous visa vetting process.

00:43:39.540 Over 250,000 visas have been revoked.

00:43:43.100 250,000 a quarter million american visas have been revoked for what anti-semitism well now

00:43:52.440 is the point in the conversation when someone should feel the moral obligation to defend the

00:43:58.520 term anti-semitism because if we're going to punish people for a crime it's incumbent on us

00:44:04.580 to explain what the crime is so that other people have a chance not to commit it but unfortunately

00:44:10.300 no one has fully explained what antisemitism is. So we just move on apace, punishing people for

00:44:15.600 this thing that no one will describe in any great detail. The only real systematic attempt to

00:44:20.660 describe and define what antisemitism is comes from the IHRA, the International Holocaust

00:44:25.980 Remembrance Association, we think. And it's been adopted by the majority of states and

00:44:31.860 100 nations around the world, and we think the U.S. Congress, if memory serves.

00:44:35.520 and according to that definition the majority of examples of anti-semitism are in fact criticism

00:44:41.660 of the state of israel the government of israel the secular government of israel which by the way

00:44:46.320 has arab parties in the knesset so even entirely jewish technically

00:44:51.400 criticizing the behavior of that government now qualifies as anti-semitism well a lot of us saw

00:44:59.300 this happen and thought it's just like another commemoration of putting a ribbon on a post office

00:45:06.140 it's ceremonial it doesn't mean anything but all of a sudden here you have this czar in this post

00:45:12.380 that most people don't know exists that you're paying for Yehuda something or other saying that

00:45:17.120 we are actively penalizing people a quarter million of them for this crime that we won't

00:45:22.280 define but whose only real definition that we can find appears to mean criticism of a foreign

00:45:30.000 government what the hell is going on what do you do with that well if you're like most people you

00:45:37.240 ignore it and if you think about it for a minute you think well that seems a little crazy but you

00:45:41.140 console yourself with the thought that well it's not americans this is happening to these are visa

00:45:47.060 holders we got too many people here anyway and that's of course true so it's like people are 1.00

00:45:51.700 trying to come to our country or working here maybe they're h1b people we're taking my kids 1.00

00:45:55.440 jobs anyway so like that's fine they probably are all radicals anyway they're probably all 1.00

00:45:59.460 hamas sympathizers like who cares maybe you ask yourself you know kind of kind of nice maybe if 0.71

00:46:07.020 as long as we're going after bias and hatred that someone said something about anti-white hatred 0.58

00:46:12.100 which is the operational hatred of our entire ruling class and we know that because how many 0.92

00:46:16.520 books are there on amazon about whiteness and we got to exterminate it how many pro-white genocide

00:46:21.680 books are there on Amazon? Like a lot. How many are assigned in America's top colleges? A lot. 0.97

00:46:27.160 How many of our leaders have lectured you, including presidents, about white people

00:46:30.120 are the problem? A lot. So if you're going to identify an ethnic hatred in America, 0.93

00:46:35.680 we probably should at least acknowledge, if not try to do something about it, or at least rebut.

00:46:40.500 It might be anti-white hatred, which is like everywhere.

00:46:44.560 If you're trying to figure out like what kind of bias actually harms people

00:46:48.040 in measurable ways, prevents them from, I don't know, getting jobs or federal contracts or getting

00:46:54.180 into college. It might not be anti-Semitism. I haven't seen the study that shows that it is.

00:47:01.440 It might be anti-white or anti-Christian bias, obviously. Who would deny that? 0.94

00:47:06.460 So if you're going to have an anti-hate czar, maybe you could address that too?

00:47:11.000 No, it's too much. Too much to ask. You just live here. You're just part of the tax farm. Fine.

00:47:14.820 okay but at least they're only doing this to foreigners so like they don't really have the 0.53

00:47:19.800 same rights we do okay got it got it got it forget about it move on to everything else

00:47:23.600 but what if they were to employ that same principle against American citizens what if

00:47:31.900 just throwing this out here the Trump administration were to institute an identity

00:47:36.520 politics witch hunt against American citizens on behalf not of an oppressed group like a poor

00:47:44.160 group whose ancestors were once enslaved like against identity politics but as long as you're

00:47:49.660 going to do it maybe it should be against on behalf of the weak you know the weakest i guess

00:47:55.080 it's always wrong but at least you can kind of justify it but what if the trump administration

00:48:01.060 the administration you voted for so you wouldn't have to live under the kamala harris administration

00:48:05.620 which is clearly going to go bonkers with identity politics lecture you about slavery and civil

00:48:09.760 rights movement and edmund pettus bridge and bloody sunday and like stop you voted against 0.99

00:48:16.420 her because you're sick of that crap just treat me like an american okay stop with the race stuff 0.99

00:48:21.020 so what if you voted for the alternative to kamala harris but instead of getting a respite 0.99

00:48:26.020 relief from identity politics they doubled down and weaponized it but the identity politics

00:48:33.660 jihad was waged on behalf of not the poorest people in the country but some of the richest

00:48:40.360 like what if they told you that like the real victim here was leon black

00:48:44.820 huh that would be pretty hard to take wouldn't it what if in a country where the idea of colorblind

00:48:54.480 equally administered justice was fast disappearing the attorney general of the united states actually

00:48:59.000 took the time to shoot a video let's just say today telling you that the real problem in america

00:49:05.460 is your hatred americans it's your hatred of jewish people to which you probably say i don't

00:49:12.820 hate jewish people but i think what the israeli government's doing to the poor arabs what the 0.98

00:49:17.820 strong are doing to the weak is disgusting you're an anti-semite it's hate what if they actually did 0.97

00:49:23.200 that then you might wonder like what is the upside of voting for trump over kamala a lot of people

00:49:28.960 voted for trump precisely so they wouldn't have to watch to endure to be subject to yet another

00:49:35.760 identity politics jihad because we're sick of it but what if we got one anyway what if attorney

00:49:42.980 general todd shot this video today watch this our nation is at a pivotal moment in recent years

00:49:52.200 we have seen a disturbing rise in anti-semitic rhetoric and acts of hatred against fellow

00:49:57.640 citizens. Let me say this. Hate has no place in America, and this Department of Justice remains

00:50:04.580 committed to confronting it wherever it appears. This tour is proof of our continued efforts.

00:50:10.040 We are bringing together government agencies, faith leaders, and community members across our

00:50:14.420 nation to root out hatred. We are meeting with those targeted by hate in their homes, places of

00:50:19.880 worship, and schools. And we remain proactive in defending our citizens' liberties wherever they

00:50:25.260 come under threat. The Department of Justice is doing more than just speaking about important

00:50:30.220 goals. We're taking concrete action and partnering with local leaders to deliver real results for the

00:50:36.280 American people in the fight against hate. And we will use every tool at our disposal to confront

00:50:42.580 hatred, prejudice, and discrimination wherever and however they arise. A war on hatred? A war on an

00:50:52.580 attitude, a war on other people's opinions? That's what you're getting from the Department of

00:50:56.200 Justice? How about a war on the people who are putting fentanyl into our society? How about a

00:51:02.420 war on behalf of the 100,000 people or 70,000 last year died of drug ODs? Why don't you fight a real 0.99

00:51:07.180 war against the people who are killing our citizens? But instead, you're lecturing us about

00:51:12.260 our bad attitudes about a foreign country, and you're going to go community to community on some

00:51:18.320 kind of tour that we're paying for to tell us that we're the problem, our bad attitudes are the

00:51:22.980 problem? It's hard even to talk about this without using obscenity. You want to use obscenity in

00:51:29.280 response. No government official has a right to tell you what attitude you can have ever in a

00:51:36.420 free country. You can have any attitude you want and come to any conclusion that you want. What

00:51:40.140 you can't do is commit violence against other people, and you shouldn't. And you should oppose

00:51:43.840 the use of violence against innocents, always, including the use of violence by Israel against

00:51:49.600 the Palestinians, including the use of violence by the United States government, by the Trump

00:51:52.400 administration, against fishermen off the coast of Venezuela, against girls going to school

00:51:57.880 outside Tehran. That is wrong. It's wrong when it happens here. It's wrong when it happens there. It

00:52:02.260 will always be wrong. And no lecture from the people who are doing it and making excuses for

00:52:07.100 it will ever change its wrongness or take away my right to acknowledge that it's wrong.

00:52:13.000 How did we get here?

00:52:14.300 And that's really the point of this.

00:52:15.600 We got here because of October 7th, because a terrible thing happened and the rest of

00:52:21.380 us refused to learn the obvious lesson, which is terrible things happen in every age.

00:52:26.980 The perpetrators are from every religion and every color over time, from every culture,

00:52:32.240 because people are capable of horrible things.

00:52:35.280 And that's why we have absolute standards about human behavior that apply to every person,

00:52:39.320 regardless of whether he is Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Buddhist, regardless of whether he was

00:52:43.520 black, white, or Asian, those standards remain in place always. They are immutable. People didn't 0.84

00:52:48.920 think them up. God laid them down. And we have one job, which is to obey them and to judge others by

00:52:54.060 those standards, regardless of how much money they have or how much money they've given to

00:52:57.920 Donald Trump or whether they're friends with Attorney General Todd or not. And on the basis

00:53:03.940 of those standards, what happened to Israel on October 7th is wrong. It's immoral. It's

00:53:08.880 disgusting. And what Israel did in response to what happened to Israel on October 7th

00:53:13.240 is also wrong, disgusting, and indefensible. And that will always be true. And calling it hate 0.99

00:53:18.700 does not change the fundamental truth of that. But failing to acknowledge those absolute standards

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00:58:17.420 joins us now to assess what exactly has happened to us and to the world since October 7th. Dave

00:58:23.240 Smith, thank you for coming on. Oh, Tucker, thank you so much for having me. And that was incredible.

00:58:28.160 I mean, that was just so spot on and so many good points that I wish we had 10 hours to

00:58:35.060 respond to all of it.

00:58:35.860 But let me just say, you know, first of all, before we even get into this, I will tell

00:58:39.780 you, you know, when this war first started and you, you know, at this point famously

00:58:45.460 broke with President Trump, and then it came out that the MAGA Republicans supported this

00:58:52.560 war 100 percent, because that's how we always measure polls.

00:58:55.340 we always looked at hope and change Democrats or, you know, whatever. You know, we always looked at

00:59:02.580 this. So and I remember Ben Shapiro said the lesson from all of this is that Tucker Carlson

00:59:08.460 doesn't matter. It meant nothing that you broke from the president. And I remember now, as you

00:59:13.460 know about me, Tucker, I follow Ben Shapiro and everything in life. He's always right about

00:59:17.660 everything. I always take your vaccine dopes. It's an experimental jab. You're an idiot if you don't

00:59:21.720 want to. He always gets it right. And I remember right then and there, I said, well, I guess I'll 1.00

00:59:25.420 never go on Tucker's show again. I mean, the guy doesn't matter. Why would I go on his show?

00:59:30.660 Now, there was contrary evidence. At the time, I looked at the podcast rankings and they told me

00:59:37.800 your show was number one. But as I know, Ben Shapiro's right about everything. So clearly,

00:59:42.400 you didn't matter. And I decided I wouldn't go back on your show. But then you see, the other

00:59:46.080 day, I saw Ben Shapiro tell me that you are the reason the Republicans are going to lose

00:59:50.600 the Senate, that you've cost the Republicans the Senate. And I thought to myself, well,

00:59:55.260 that guy must be pretty important if he's costing the Republicans the Senate. And so I turned it

01:00:00.200 around. I told my people, I said, tell them I changed my mind. I will do the show. So that

01:00:05.140 is what brought me here today. I'm grateful. My baseline assumption was that it was the Trump

01:00:13.180 administration launching the most unpopular war in American history on behalf of a foreign nation

01:00:17.440 and then losing it. I thought that's what was going to cost them the midterm elections. But

01:00:21.880 again, it turns out, no, that's not it. It's you for pointing this out, for pointing out that we're

01:00:28.480 doing this. It is, look, as I listened to this whole thing, you know, October 7th, as you said,

01:00:36.280 it radically transformed American politics. Yes. American politics. I mean, look at where we are

01:00:42.160 right now look at the divides between say all of us all i mean putting you and and you know

01:00:49.200 marjorie taylor green and thomas massey and megan kelly and and candace owens and alex jones and

01:00:54.780 all you know just all the people who were supporting trump who are no longer now on the

01:01:00.060 left in america of course we have the exact same dynamic here where there's this huge split between

01:01:04.200 the establishment and the grassroots it's all over this issue it's all over the genocide that

01:01:08.860 followed and then the war against Iran that followed that are all obviously very, very

01:01:12.600 related. And I got to say, well, obviously, first and foremost, on a day like this, you think about

01:01:18.880 the horrible nature of the day, the people who have died. You know, I was reading again, like

01:01:22.620 you talked about the stories that they've made up and stuff like that about the beheaded babies.

01:01:26.620 They never needed to. You could just read through the real stories. I was getting emotional reading

01:01:30.500 through a few of them today. One about a 22 year old girl calling her parents as she's bleeding

01:01:35.420 out, like the most horrific thing you could imagine. Just absolute terror. Okay, that's

01:01:41.080 horrible. But when you're talking about an event that radically transformed American politics,

01:01:46.620 it is just so crazy that it's a terrorist attack that didn't happen here.

01:01:51.960 Exactly. I mean, I'm sorry. Look, we all kind of accept at this point that our country kind

01:01:57.640 of lost our minds after 9-11. I mean, it's the overwhelming consensus that we did things that

01:02:02.300 we shouldn't have done, like the Patriot Act and torture and Abu Ghraib and Iraq and just so many

01:02:09.060 things. Okay, but you accept that that's a price that comes along with, you know, people are going

01:02:13.440 to get emotional and crazy about a terrorist attack that happens on our soil. I cannot imagine

01:02:17.500 anyone losing their mind this way about a terrorist attack in Europe. You know, we've seen

01:02:21.960 several ISIS attacks in Europe, maybe not on this scale, but no one ever even came close.

01:02:26.680 Like it's just so already that was so exposing. It's so bizarre. And I got to tell you, today, as I'm watching kind of the reaction, it's first off, this is a terrorist attack that didn't happen here. And it's the three year anniversary. Like we've had some time. And as you said, a orders of magnitude more horrific event has happened in response to this.

01:02:48.200 And the way, so I see Mamdani, I don't know if you saw this, but this went viral on Twitter

01:02:54.640 this morning. So Mamdani, the mayor of New York, he posted a thing where he said, he basically had

01:03:00.580 like three sentences talking about how horrible October 7th was. He called it a war crime. He

01:03:06.580 said October 7th was a horrible war crime. There are horrible, innocent people were killed. New

01:03:11.000 Yorkers feel for these people and blah, blah, blah, something about how horrible that was.

01:03:15.100 and it was awful. Then he had a long paragraph about how terrible the Israeli response to it was

01:03:19.780 and something about how a lot of New Yorkers are outraged about that. And man, the way Ben Shapiro

01:03:26.500 and Dave Rubin and all the usual suspects, Nikki Haley, and all these people are shaming him for

01:03:32.860 not having more of a super emotional reaction about this terrorist attack there. The fact that,

01:03:39.040 first of all they're mad tucker that he called it a war crime because that implies that a war 0.92

01:03:45.180 was already going on which is obviously correct objectively true at least tucker they're making

01:03:51.300 me stand up for a socialist do you understand how angry this makes me do you know what this

01:03:54.720 does to me oh i know the feeling tucker knows me personally i'm sorry i forgive me for this

01:04:00.320 because i know this is a little bit off topic but i can't as it's my by my free market street credit

01:04:05.160 if i'm going to defend a socialist i just have to i hate the fact that dem democratic socialism is

01:04:10.760 where the the energy on the left that is opposed this genocide has gone what a disaster i mean for

01:04:17.160 for me to have to sit here tucker after the the biggest over the last 25 years objectively the

01:04:24.200 biggest experiment in big government and money printing in human history that's what we've lived

01:04:31.560 throat i mean if you i read you used to cover this back on your show all the time but all those like

01:04:35.880 quantitative you know like when you would measure m3 and see how it shoots up you know after covid

01:04:41.480 you can't even measure that stuff on the chart anymore because the covid money printing dwarfed

01:04:45.560 all of that we've just printed money and printed money and printed money and had government spending

01:04:50.360 more than ever in human history and now when that turns out to be a disaster they come in and go we

01:04:55.960 need government doing more stuff that's the big problem here all this free market capitalism oh

01:05:00.520 it just drives me crazy leftists put this together big business owns our government and what do we

01:05:06.120 have a deregulated economy and low government spending and no taxes no we have a progressive

01:05:12.200 income tax huge regulations but more government spending than ever before okay anyway sorry this

01:05:16.920 is so off topic but you're right now i got it but now i got to defend uh the democratic socialist on

01:05:23.320 on this. There was a blockade on Gaza since 2007 directly. That's an act of war. There was a war

01:05:32.720 going on. There was a military occupation going back to 1967. Israel had been dominating these

01:05:37.780 people, keeping them captive and stateless the whole time. A war crime is a legitimate way to 1.00

01:05:42.940 describe this. And then the reason why he talked more about the response is because the response 0.99

01:05:48.980 has been orders of magnitude worse, exactly like you said, for the same reason that we're horrified

01:05:54.880 by what happened on October 7th, we're orders of magnitude more horrified by what the response is,

01:06:01.180 because it was just that on a much higher level. And I'll say finally, and I'll wrap this way too

01:06:06.500 long rant up on this, but there is a bias, I think. Now, one of my favorite things that you've

01:06:11.420 done in this period of time, particularly in your recent interview with the British former minister

01:06:17.460 over there but you've been doing this for years is really talking about kind of these basic

01:06:21.860 questions about the morality of war and even you know re-examining the holy war of world war ii

01:06:27.120 and then re-exam you know and the the idea of like how is it that we are so i mean look even

01:06:33.180 if you're gonna like argue with us and say there is some scenario where it's okay to kill innocent

01:06:37.520 people man shouldn't the bar for that be awfully high and it sure doesn't seem at all like it is

01:06:43.480 Um, but in, in this environment where kind of like some of these questions are at least being asked again, I do think, well, I guess I'd say this, there's a, there's a big opportunity to, to really move the needle in terms of like how people view a lot of these things.

01:07:06.780 And I think that's been done enormously. So I, anyway, I just think it's very important that

01:07:11.400 we're having these discussions and kind of pinning down on this. The bottom line here is that there

01:07:17.480 is Charlie Kirk at least was right. And we can get into more about that stuff. Charlie Kirk was at

01:07:23.420 least right in the fact that they did ethnically cleanse the Palestinians out of there. They 1.00

01:07:28.640 destroyed the whole place and there's, and, and they're saying openly that they're not going to 0.93

01:07:34.400 be able to come back those people are out of where they were they have been cleansed right

01:07:39.000 no it's literally and he saw it what's interesting um to me i've been brooding about it recently

01:07:44.880 is not that the nazis were bad obviously but why were they bad and i feel like we've talked about

01:07:51.360 the nazis for 80 years being bad without explaining why so the conventional view is

01:07:55.620 they're bad because they hated the jews no they were bad because they hurt people including a lot

01:08:01.140 jews who did nothing wrong so there's a universal principle to be learned from the behavior of the

01:08:06.940 nazis and it's because they violated that principle that they are bad but because no one has ever been

01:08:11.360 taught that and i think they haven't been taught that for a reason which is to allow latitude for

01:08:15.100 other people to behave just like the nazis without being called out for it but i don't think people

01:08:19.740 have a framework for understanding what was bad about the nazis so every time you bring this up

01:08:23.760 like you defending the nazis it's like oh no i'm very opposed to that behavior when the nazis did

01:08:30.020 it very opposed and when the bolsheviks did it and when any other when our government has done

01:08:34.340 it at nagasaki like i'm always against it and they can't deal with that i don't know why it's

01:08:40.200 almost like it's almost kind of like weirdly getting letting hitler off the hook kind of

01:08:44.640 oh absolutely and and look i i mean i think i would even go maybe a little bit further with

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01:08:57.160 the reasons why we particularly think of them as as evil figures is not just the people that they 0.89

01:09:03.040 killed but that they did it to their own people well that's yeah there really is something about

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01:09:17.300 the commies did not recognize the kulaks as their own people or whatever but we look at that and go 0.69

01:09:21.840 no they were your people because you're their monopolized defense force exactly you're their 0.59

01:09:25.980 state. It's a different calculation, at least to some degree, I suppose, when there's two nation

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01:13:12.140 tucker is that what you're saying yes yes of course you have total control control over them

01:13:18.340 they don't have like again it's not even the situation in gaza and and look on some level

01:13:23.440 try to be as charitable as i can be to like some of the people who say like this is not a genocide 0.55

01:13:30.100 you know they say oh what are you talking about if israel wanted to genocide them they would just 0.94

01:13:34.800 kill every single person there and you're like well first of all that's a really dumb argument 0.97

01:13:38.260 because Israel has cratered like 70 points in approval. 1.00

01:13:42.620 They've become a global pariah by doing what they're doing. 0.98

01:13:44.820 It's not so clear that like if they just did

01:13:46.480 some even more heinous version,

01:13:48.620 it actually wouldn't destroy them immediately.

01:13:50.580 So it's not a very good argument,

01:13:52.120 but there is, I suppose, a point to being saying,

01:13:54.820 like even when you said before,

01:13:56.020 we don't really know exactly how many people

01:13:57.560 are dead at this point.

01:14:00.040 You look at these pictures and the Gaza Health Ministry

01:14:03.460 is officially saying 70,000. 1.00

01:14:05.480 The Israelis, after every single one of them 0.67

01:14:07.620 denying that for years straight, that we can't trust the Hamas numbers very quietly said, yeah, 0.89

01:14:13.800 we agree with the Hamas numbers because it's clearly much more than that. But there were 2.1

01:14:19.780 million people there. And if you looked at those pictures, you might think, did they kill all 2.1

01:14:24.080 million people? But no, they moved a lot of the civilian population. They forced a lot of them

01:14:28.780 out of there, killed a whole bunch of them in the process. And then they just destroyed the entire

01:14:33.360 place while they had the civilian population out of there, just destroyed one of the most 1.00

01:14:36.980 continually inhabited oldest places and every mosque, every school, every playground, every 0.94

01:14:42.320 hospital in the most like crazy way. Now that very clearly meets the, the international legal 0.65

01:14:47.880 definition of genocide. But if what you picture in your mind is like, they killed every single

01:14:52.660 civilian or they exterminated the entire people. Like, okay, I guess they've got a little bit of

01:14:57.060 a case that that's not exactly what they did. And maybe that is what, you know, that is what

01:15:02.560 Adolf Hitler was attempting to do. So, you know what I'm saying? Like, if they want to say there's 0.71

01:15:06.640 a slight difference in the nature of these genocides but i think the bottom line is that

01:15:11.560 it's your people they're captive you put them in this situation you created this listen the

01:15:20.460 israeli state created the conditions by which october 7th happened just basically meaning

01:15:25.220 every single one of those every single militant violent member of hamas who committed an act of

01:15:32.260 violence on October 7th was first brutalized by the Israeli state. And that doesn't mean it's okay

01:15:39.300 for them to go take that out on some innocent civilian. But there is something there. And I

01:15:45.500 will say there is a bias, another bias that humans have, that I think it makes some sense

01:15:51.500 psychologically and sociologically, but it's really worth examining. And it's that there's

01:15:57.380 a bit of a bias toward the more sophisticated party. So for us in America, if you hear about

01:16:07.660 an IDF soldier, what you're hearing he did is similar sometimes to our boys, pushing a button,

01:16:14.740 pulling a trigger perhaps, but dropping a bomb, doing something that is at least like he got

01:16:20.180 orders from a general. He followed his orders. He did this Hamas militant. You're hearing about a

01:16:25.500 savage running up and randomly killing people. And what clearly, you know, like, um, I think

01:16:32.240 this is the way our, our mutual great friend, Daryl Cooper put it. He goes, you know, you'd

01:16:36.300 prefer one of those to be your neighbor than the other, you know, like there is a difference

01:16:40.020 between those, those two people. Um, and there is a difference in kind of the primitive barbaric

01:16:45.520 nature of Palestinian terrorism versus the, you know, like advanced systematized nature of the

01:16:54.520 idea AI driven yeah drone warfare yes you know you're coming in with night goggles on a sky

01:17:00.000 there were no battles in Gaza you know what I mean it wasn't it wasn't like they were battling

01:17:04.320 an opposing military or something like that there's this crazy asymmetry in sophistication

01:17:08.980 and and look there's it's easy for people to have a bias in that especially when they get

01:17:12.940 into all this clash of civilizations stuff but Tucker again let's zoom out here and remind

01:17:20.180 ourselves that like think about all the great classical musicians that came from germany you

01:17:26.120 know you're talking back and beethoven do i need to bring up russian writers or something like

01:17:30.480 that that doesn't take away from how brutal those regimes were you know the fact that they were far

01:17:34.900 more sophisticated than some of the countries that they were crushing like at the end of the day

01:17:39.940 that's still a human baby underneath a building with a real mother screaming about how they lost

01:17:46.360 their kid it doesn't matter whether it was a barbarian or not i find that actually that's the

01:17:51.380 best part of this whole story so we were told my whole childhood there was something uniquely evil 0.95

01:17:56.080 about germans and they were able to to do the holocaust because they were uniquely evil but 0.89

01:18:01.440 then you see like rwanda in 1994 and you see gaza and like you see this as the substance of history 0.98

01:18:09.200 this is the human story and then you realize wait a second there's there's no population that's

01:18:14.300 unique in that it's not capable of genocide every pop under certain circumstances every human being

01:18:22.560 is capable of murdering his neighbor and then there's a kind of universal truth there but also

01:18:27.720 universal connection between all people it's like you become in some ways less judgmental

01:18:32.380 of any specific example more empathetic like this is something that we should acknowledge

01:18:37.660 that we are all capable of great evil and we're united in that i don't know why 0.91

01:18:42.920 no one wants to say that and you're attacked for saying that but i i don't think the israelis are

01:18:47.720 the only people capable of committing genocide or the germans like that's not true i i also just um

01:18:53.220 you know on on a personal note i suppose just as a as a father i always and and i know this like

01:18:59.300 we've talked about this before like we're both we're both dads and we're both like family men

01:19:03.440 at heart which is really much more important than than anything else um but it's like it's really

01:19:08.640 just not that hard you know you have the thing as a parent where there's always like there's like

01:19:12.720 this white hot energy of the thought of something bad happening to your kid and it's almost hard to

01:19:17.660 even keep your hand on it for too long because you just kind of shut down and go okay okay let's

01:19:21.380 think about something else because the thought of this is like too devastating but like all you got

01:19:25.820 to do it's very easy for me to just go um okay i'm the dad of one of those girls who was at that

01:19:31.940 music festival on october 7th and after that i i went flatten the whole thing flatten all the guys

01:19:36.860 and kill all of them like i could totally relate to that but i can also totally relate to being in

01:19:42.380 the position of a 19 year old in gaza and i just watched my grandmother get shot by an idf soldier 0.99

01:19:49.180 and then he you know spit on my dad and then arrested my dad for the crime of pushing him

01:19:53.340 after he shot my grandma you know how many stories there are like that and then they decided i'm gonna

01:19:58.060 join up with hamas i'm gonna join up with them now i will grant i will grant that like no i probably

01:20:04.300 cannot put myself in the place of just like killing innocence as a result of that right okay

01:20:10.380 but also like i haven't grown up in that environment you know what i mean like i you know i i know i

01:20:16.140 know people who were good kids who went to jail you know i mean maybe not good kids in the sense

01:20:21.260 that they did something wrong but they were reasonably good kids went to jail and came

01:20:24.220 out never the same and i was just like a couple years in jail and they were just tough hardcore

01:20:29.100 people after that you know like your conditions can transform you and so anyway i just think it

01:20:34.380 is fairly easy to put yourself in both positions understand why this cycle has gotten so bad with

01:20:39.500 these two groups but also then realize that but we're not either of those groups we are americans

01:20:45.100 we're looking at this from a different perspective and so we should have we should be able to have

01:20:49.900 cooler heads prevail here and so then of course one of the major things that was exposed over the

01:20:54.860 the last three years is the presence of this lobby or whatever you want to call it but this fifth

01:21:00.400 column where there is this one you know all of a sudden people you know people like you and me

01:21:06.980 we knew that israel was the third rail for many many years you know however you felt about it

01:21:13.880 you knew that like hey if i'm gonna make a stand against this this is this one's gonna cost me as 0.99

01:21:19.080 yeah i just wanted to stay away from it i didn't want anything yeah your kids your kids won't go

01:21:22.860 to college your kids we have everybody everybody had seen enough of just what happened to you know

01:21:27.720 just enough of like hey where'd pep buchanan and paul newman go that's weird you know everyone had

01:21:33.660 seen enough of that um but after october 7th this thing forced everybody to pay attention

01:21:40.020 and then because because what israel was doing was horrific enough a lot of the people paying 0.71

01:21:45.760 attention said hey that's horrific and then they were met with you're a nazi because you don't want

01:21:53.560 to kill innocent people and that's a little bit too much for most people to to stomach but why do

01:21:58.640 we get censored so meta has you know leaked meta documents show millions of affect acts of

01:22:07.400 censorship on behalf of the israeli government after october 7th by meta the company that runs

01:22:12.760 Facebook, and I'm sure the other social media companies are the same. Now you see the administration

01:22:17.960 with its anti-Semitism czar punishing people for criticizing Israel's conduct in Gaza. How does

01:22:25.320 that work? How does some foreign conflict reduce my constitutional rights as someone who was born

01:22:31.240 here? Yeah, well, man, it is such an outrage, you know, and for so many of the reasons that you

01:22:37.140 outlay it in your, in your, um, monologue, you know, it's like the, um, the, this, this is the

01:22:44.880 thing. And I've also, uh, you know, it's not exactly clear to anyone. I don't think, and people

01:22:53.020 can mock the just asking questions crowd or whatever, but let me tell you something. Every

01:22:56.920 single one of those people who mock people for just asking questions, those guys have questions

01:23:01.660 too. I promise you they have questions too. They have questions. No one read the, no one read

01:23:05.780 through the epstein files and went case closed everything answered you know no what is this his

01:23:12.080 urologist mess uh emailed him bring nine-year-olds and grape soda i have no nothing further on that

01:23:17.800 no i don't think we should talk to the urologist like let's not call him to headquarters and ask

01:23:21.660 simple questions i'm sure right there's more billionaires drinking grape soda because a lot

01:23:25.520 of white billionaires drink grape soda it's kind of par for the course like when i'm down on my

01:23:29.640 boat in san tropez in the summertime everyone's drinking grape soda it's all we talk about it's

01:23:34.740 all we ever do man and it's a weird thing dude when you get to the country the country club and 0.98

01:23:38.700 you don't know the latest on grape soda and you're like oh man i look like such an asshole right now 0.98

01:23:43.520 i was hoping we'd talk golf geez um you know yeah it's just too all of it's just too ridiculous and 0.99

01:23:48.860 and look so how exactly does israel exercise all of this control how exactly you know do they just 0.94

01:23:55.760 like grab the minds of people like um you know um uh uh what's her name hemingway uh or who's the

01:24:03.780 one, uh, who said America is the greatest country. Well, maybe besides Israel, um, obviously there's

01:24:09.060 the religious view that, you know, was on display when you, you grilled Mike Huckabee that certain,

01:24:14.900 you know, uh, Christians in this country have certain percentage of evangelical Christians.

01:24:19.220 I don't know. I'm not a Christian. I'm not going to lecture anybody else on their Christianity,

01:24:22.600 but like, if you think there's a giant, huge message in the Bible that Thomas Aquinas just

01:24:28.340 missed, that seems to be a red flag to me. I would humbly suggest maybe, you know, like,

01:24:33.780 maybe you don't understand it better than he did i don't know that's that seems crazy to me but

01:24:37.220 anyway um you know there's and then of course there's jewish people who have a what you know

01:24:42.820 really is a religious you know um attachment to israel in fact i think for for a huge portion

01:24:49.620 of modern jews their connection to israel is much more so the connection to the the holocaust and to

01:24:54.420 israel is much more so a real religion than their connection to abraham or moses um that in many

01:25:00.740 cases not all um and but then of course i mean the levels of control over politicians look you just

01:25:07.060 got to admit it looks so strange it's so strange that this country is able to snap and just

01:25:13.700 immediately you know kind of like get so many people to to fall in line and of course there's

01:25:19.540 really as you said there's really no better example of it than this administration and i

01:25:24.660 gotta say man as a friend and a fan of yours i'm really proud of the way you've handled this whole

01:25:28.500 thing. It has not been easy. I know it hasn't been easy for you. It's not easy to be in the

01:25:33.140 situation you're in. It's not easy to back a guy and then be kind of one of the people in his ear

01:25:39.740 and then have him, you know, kind of like just over and over again, listen to the worst people

01:25:46.080 with the worst advice over your advice. And you kind of stick around through him doing this over

01:25:50.380 and over and trying to be the only reasonable guy in his ear. And then especially after Charlie's

01:25:54.660 I'm the only reasonable guy in his ear. And then like push to the point where you just can't

01:25:59.100 hold back. And you have to say what it is, because this is the whole, this is our covenant. This is

01:26:02.500 what we have to do with our audience. We have to tell them the truth. That's the whole thing.

01:26:05.660 Otherwise, what's the point of us and why do we do this? But in this, in this moment, I mean, look,

01:26:11.400 this administration, it's betrayal is an understatement. It is, it is unbelievable.

01:26:17.580 Is that Bobby Kennedy, you know, out there today, the nerve of this man, the nerve of this man to

01:26:23.220 be demonizing his fellow Americans, his fellow Americans for standing up against our tax dollars

01:26:31.120 going to just slaughtering helpless little three and four-year-old boys and girls while their

01:26:36.280 parents scream when it doesn't have to be done and for the reason that Benjamin Netanyahu wants

01:26:41.220 the land, which we can get into a little bit more. But the fact that Bobby Kennedy, this guy said,

01:26:46.640 he tells me, and not just personally, but publicly in front of him and tells the whole American

01:26:50.720 people that he believes in God. He believes God sent him on a mission. And God sent him on a

01:26:55.400 mission, I guess, to tinker around the edges with the American health issue and then leave us as

01:26:59.520 chronically sick a country as we ever were. Was this God's plan for you to sacrifice all of your

01:27:04.660 integrity? And like, I'm sorry, he's a guy who just leaves you going, what do they have on you,

01:27:08.840 man? Like, what do they have on you? You just obviously don't believe any of this stuff.

01:27:12.480 You could have been the third party candidate that broke up this whole thing. If you had just

01:27:17.100 been good on this one issue, if he had just been the one candidate who was against the genocide

01:27:21.020 all of 2024, as the entire American public woke up to this, he was perfectly positioned to be the

01:27:26.740 third party and take that coalition, make him the winning coalition and break up the two-party

01:27:31.140 system. But instead he had to sit there and call the Palestinians pampered and immediately defend. 0.91

01:27:36.280 I mean, Tucker, he called, think about this. He called, and Bobby Kennedy is not a stupid man. 1.00

01:27:41.320 Me and you both know him. 1.00

01:27:42.760 He called October 7th, and I quote, an unprovoked attack.

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01:27:58.340 I mean, yeah.

01:28:00.400 But you know you're lying. 1.00

01:28:01.980 You liar. 1.00

01:28:03.260 You lie. 0.98

01:28:04.020 Nobody knows anything about the Israel-Palestine conflict and could call anything unprovoked.

01:28:09.420 you can't break out of an israeli prison and attack israelis unprovoked i'm sorry that's just

01:28:15.440 not a possible thing that he believes it's discussed there's all of them man i'm sorry

01:28:20.400 tulsi gabbard sitting there and holding her mouth or lying us into war uh you know all of them look

01:28:26.880 i mean look it's it's kind of this basic right now right tucker donald trump everyone knows

01:28:33.480 there's no one on the other side ben shapiro mark levin everyone nobody doesn't think donald trump

01:28:38.700 is lying us into war right now and lying us to keep us into war. His lie right now is that Iran 0.58

01:28:43.060 was two weeks away from having a deliverable nuclear weapon and we're going to nuke LA.

01:28:48.540 They know that's not true. None of them thinks that's true. They were hovering at 60% enriched

01:28:54.180 uranium with IAEA inspections and an annual threat assessment that said they're still not

01:28:59.780 making the move to try to get nukes. They haven't even made the political decision to start.

01:29:03.180 is just totally a lie. And so all of you are supporting a president lying his country into

01:29:09.800 war and like, no, we're not going to do that. They've done that. They've sacrificed. By the

01:29:16.360 way, it's over at this point. It's over. The Democrats have control. And this is the end of

01:29:20.880 Trump's domestic agenda. None of that's going to happen. Of course, his foreign policy agenda,

01:29:24.860 he's free to be as much of a madman as he wants to. And Congress, of course, will not restrain 0.78

01:29:28.640 him on that at all, as we both know. But that's it. We sacrificed this moment, the greatest

01:29:34.080 political comeback ever, all the work that we've done rallying this coalition against the insane 0.99

01:29:39.740 woke shit, against all of these wars, against the open borders, against all that whole coalition. 0.98

01:29:46.300 We leveraged that for a war for Israel. So the net effect of this is not, I mean, 0.99

01:29:53.160 I don't really care about Israel, but I don't think this actually helps Israel in the end 0.59

01:29:57.800 at all i think they're marching toward doom um hope i'm wrong but it seems that way but what i 0.58

01:30:04.000 care about is the united states and everything that's happened accelerates the decline of the

01:30:08.620 united states and and i think could fairly be seen as an attack on the united states if you

01:30:12.320 wanted to wreck the country this is what you would do yeah and i and both parties seem dead set on

01:30:17.720 that on knocking the united states down several pegs quickly tanking the economy causing food

01:30:24.200 security imperiling the entire population with a nuclear exchange like this is all real it's all

01:30:30.100 happening right now and people don't know it's because they're not paying attention but it is

01:30:34.160 happening and it's like why do our own leaders want to wreck our country i i'm sincerely baffled

01:30:40.300 like what are they doing it's um it does seem like there's it's almost um like uh you know

01:30:47.900 the rats on a sinking ship or something like that like it it feels like they're just

01:30:52.080 our our ruling class and this has been felt true for a while um although it does seem like it's

01:30:58.500 really accelerating uh but our our ruling class seem to be uh determined to extract as much wealth

01:31:05.160 as they can on the way down i mean they're all kind of like this is it's almost like um you know

01:31:10.580 it it feels like a venture capital firm that's taken over the united states of america and is

01:31:15.680 like well listen we have no interest in this but let's strip it of all its resources and what can

01:31:19.500 we leverage up the debt on this before we get out of here or what type of you know everybody

01:31:24.600 a system that is almost run on just such naked corruption that's you know not even like the

01:31:30.720 pretense of like there's some values for the country or some you know like the idea that

01:31:35.200 kamala harris or or nancy pelosi or anyone like that is like an adult with deep opinions on matters

01:31:41.380 of policy is just totally ridiculous these are people who are like getting stock information

01:31:46.480 essentially um why you know what you know tucker you were a lot closer to the whole thing than i

01:31:53.280 was how on earth um donald trump was actually persuaded by these guys to do this what they

01:32:01.560 actually had on him that was the ultimate move that they played i mean obviously something's

01:32:07.040 missing in the official story it's not as simple as the new york times reporting that

01:32:11.640 Benjamin Netanyahu and the head of Mossad said it would be easy and he bought it?

01:32:17.300 I mean, how? It's absurd. It's an absurd. How is that possible? He knew that wasn't true. I talked

01:32:21.240 to him. He knew that wasn't true. So I don't know the truth, but that's not true. And it is,

01:32:27.740 at least according to that New York Times piece, it's like while no one else in the

01:32:32.780 administration goes along with it, and I think it was Rubio even said, this is a little fanciful

01:32:37.980 or something, they're not saying like, sir, do not do this. This will not go the way they're

01:32:42.880 saying. Well, like no one seems to be saying that to him, which is kind of crazy, but I can't,

01:32:46.620 I know that he heard that from you and I can't imagine he didn't hear this from the Pentagon.

01:32:50.000 I mean, there's just no way that no one at the Pentagon was able or no one, you know what I'm

01:32:54.160 saying? Like no one in the intelligence community was able to get to president Trump that this would

01:32:59.800 go the way it's obviously gone. Anyway, um, that this is just very hard to believe. And I got to

01:33:07.160 say there is something really, you know, I know you saw this up close. It was very interesting.

01:33:14.120 You told me this on the phone and then you said it on your show after that. So I'm not revealing

01:33:18.700 anything said privately, you said it publicly. And then I heard Donald Trump say it like three

01:33:22.340 more times, but where you said he keeps saying this thing, it just all works out in the end.

01:33:26.440 It all works out of the, and all this, it just, it sounds like a guy who got boxed into a thing

01:33:31.120 he didn't want to do, who just knows he has no other option. And he's just like, listen, I've,

01:33:35.660 that's what it seems like like and and people can you know they can again oh you're just asking

01:33:40.920 questions i'm sorry this is such a clear-cut thing this guy promised not to fight this war

01:33:47.820 this guy also you know when people say uh you know this better than anyone because you were

01:33:52.160 covering this at the time and you were in contact with with him at the time when people say every

01:33:57.440 president in the past resisted net netanyahu trying to drag them into this war it's true

01:34:02.120 including donald trump in his first term and when he was very like they put a lot of pressure on him

01:34:08.220 after that drone was downed after the soleimani strike when they retaliated and hit our bases but

01:34:12.640 didn't kill anyone and warned us there was all types of pressure from all the same hawks the

01:34:16.740 exact same players um trying to get him into this exact same war but back then in his first term and

01:34:22.440 he resisted that um and that gave i think people like me and you a bit of you know cautious optimism

01:34:29.620 about him resisting it again and made us comfortable enough to support him in 24.

01:34:34.880 And especially because he was saying openly, no new wars this time.

01:34:38.940 All his surrogates were saying, if you want war with Iran, vote for Kamala Harris and

01:34:43.560 all this. 0.85

01:34:44.000 So it's this clear betrayal on every level, the Epstein thing, just all the promises they

01:34:49.080 have that aren't being kept.

01:34:51.120 And now we're going to deal with the ramifications of that, which are going to be the Democrats

01:34:57.280 uh taking control of of the congress and i guess we're going to see what woke 2.0 looks like so

01:35:03.600 that's my last question and you don't sound hopeful but i mean we're democrats are in the

01:35:10.200 short run not but in the short run so do you think i mean the democratic party was rejected

01:35:15.780 conclusively two years ago and they know that the smart ones know that it's not like they have a

01:35:20.860 program that everyone loves they don't like trump and trump is very unpopular so it's they're going

01:35:25.580 to get elected. But do you think their program will change? It's been two years and there are

01:35:31.560 new players. Is it a different party? What are they for? Who are these people?

01:35:36.600 Well, I got to say, what are they for and who are these people is a particularly difficult

01:35:41.660 question to answer. And I think, again, and I really do try because I've been a Ron Paul

01:35:50.640 libertarian for 20 years. And so I've always swam in the circles where we're friends with

01:35:54.900 anti-war leftists and stuff like that. But particularly over the last few years, you know,

01:35:58.920 much like you and with some of the same people as you, you know, I've really kind of like

01:36:02.580 made friends and, you know, have come to respect a lot of great people, a lot of the same great

01:36:07.640 people you would like, you know, Max Blumenthal and Finkelstein and Crystal Ball and Ryan Grimm

01:36:15.900 and Anna Kasparian and Cenk Uygur and just, I'm sorry if I'm leaving anyone out, but a lot of

01:36:20.440 people like that. And I try to even go to like them, like, hey, you got to kind of admit that

01:36:25.480 this is unfair when it's just so clear what your guys are or what they stand for. Like they, I

01:36:31.720 don't know, it's like mom, Donnie, like none of them are doing the woke thing anymore, but they

01:36:34.980 were all doing it a few minutes ago. You know, the mom, Donnie tweets about like, you know, whatever

01:36:39.180 the trans people's rights or whites have too many houses or something. Yeah. Like all the racialist

01:36:46.100 stuff is still all up there and they were all doing it. Then they all took their gender, you 0.51

01:36:49.620 know uh pronouns out of their bio and they all decided as soon as they lost the conversation

01:36:53.660 it was like yeah yeah okay we're not doing that anymore by the way it's insane that it took us

01:36:57.940 that long to defeat the convert to defeat them soundly it was boys pretending to be girls it

01:37:02.620 it's this is this is how hard it is for the right wing to ever have a victory in the culture it has

01:37:07.200 to be that crazy and it still takes us a decade to get the job done um to finally just get back

01:37:12.860 to oh look we can serve to like the one little thing anyway um but so look part of it too is

01:37:19.000 But now, look, they're smart enough, I think they've figured out that, look, we're going

01:37:23.440 to be the ones who oppose Netanyahu and oppose the war in Iran, and we're going to focus

01:37:29.060 on unaffordability.

01:37:30.380 You know, like that is, they've really pivoted to that, and for obvious reasons, that is

01:37:34.920 resonating a lot better than all this other crazy stuff.

01:37:37.620 The problem, again, that I see with this is that, you know, not a one of them could even

01:37:42.200 tell you why we have an affordability crisis.

01:37:45.300 No one even, like, has a thought about it.

01:37:47.520 It's unbelievable.

01:37:48.300 It's like it's like when you have that whole debate about with Joe Biden about forgiving student loan debt

01:37:53.520 And the whole talk becomes about should it be this much or this much or who should get it?

01:37:56.900 Is it constitutional? It says no one ever just sits there and goes like hey, why is college so expensive? Exactly. How did it get to this point?

01:38:03.220 Why is it like that? Why does it cost so much to like teach a

01:38:07.480 19 year old about the great books? Like what do I need? I need a real

01:38:11.280 I need a guy with like 120 IQ and some leather patches on his jacket in a classroom and at this

01:38:17.880 Why should it cause? Oh, yeah, because government got in the business of backing the loans and

01:38:22.120 subsidizing the colleges. And oh, yes, they. So they bid up the price. OK, why are the prices

01:38:26.240 of everything so? OK, because we've destroyed the currency. But I can say that they're coming

01:38:30.140 in with a new pitch. I will say, number one, I don't really trust the fact that there was never

01:38:35.700 a reckoning with the woke stuff or the covid stuff. None of them have ever really come around

01:38:39.820 and been like, hey, here's what we got crazy wrong about all of that. And by the way, demonized you

01:38:45.760 was a Nazi the whole time for being completely right. I'd like a little bit of acknowledgement 0.88

01:38:49.820 of that. I know they want to beat us up for voting for Trump, but you know what, at least

01:38:52.620 we're the loudest ones criticizing him as soon as he starts doing wrong stuff. And then the other

01:38:56.520 thing is like, why are you calling yourselves democratic socialists and then pretending you're

01:39:01.920 not socialists? It's very strange. Not a one of them is running on, not a single one of them is

01:39:09.020 running on democratizing the workplace or collectivizing the means of production or

01:39:13.180 anything like that, but they all call themselves socialists. And then they go, socialism means

01:39:18.040 for city groceries, or, you know, and you're like, well, what, what is this? What are you

01:39:24.860 talking about? Socialism means free buses and dignity. Like it's just this very vague moving

01:39:31.280 target, you know? And while I want to, I want to appreciate a lot of our left-wing friends for,

01:39:36.500 for being good on really important issues over the years. It's like, forgive me if, you know,

01:39:42.100 after seeing what happens, you know, when a lot of you guys are in power or even like culturally

01:39:47.980 the way you guys act when you guys are in power, that I'm very skeptical about this. And that's why

01:39:53.140 it's a done deal that the Democrats are going to win the midterms and the Trump presidency

01:39:58.040 is destroyed. And what we need is somebody, you know, maybe someone I'm talking to right now

01:40:05.440 to run for president in 2028. But in all seriousness, it would just be amazing if you

01:40:10.980 or Thomas Massey or someone like that did that. But what we need is someone to kind of pick back

01:40:15.560 up the mantle of this coalition that's still sitting there and waiting to be picked up.

01:40:19.520 It's all these things are like 80, 20 issues, man. No one wants to fight these wars. No one

01:40:24.440 wants open borders. No one wants an unknown amount of tens of millions of illegal people

01:40:30.260 living in our country. Nobody wants our currency destroyed and all of these high prices. Nobody 0.98

01:40:34.960 wants to see ODs like this. We got so many problems that there are real solutions to,

01:40:39.680 and we only can't solve them

01:40:42.320 because we got to focus on this stuff

01:40:44.200 that we shouldn't be doing to begin with.

01:40:46.820 Yeah, and then you're not allowed to complain about it

01:40:48.740 or Attorney General Todd will accuse you of hate,

01:40:52.080 you know, using your money to travel to your town

01:40:54.160 to yell at you, get out of my country.

01:40:57.180 Anyway, excuse me. 0.96

01:40:58.520 It makes me mad just thinking about it.

01:41:00.900 Dave Smith, thank you for that summary

01:41:03.120 and unfortunately you're exactly right

01:41:05.300 and I'm hoping for the best,

01:41:07.120 but preparing for more of the same.

01:41:08.820 So thank you.

01:41:09.380 Yeah, well, I wish we were in person so we could go talk for five more hours.

01:41:13.040 I do too, as we always do.

01:41:16.100 Great to see you, man.

01:41:17.640 You too, brother.

01:41:18.400 Thank you.

01:41:19.800 Thank you for watching.

01:41:20.680 We'll be back next Wednesday at 6 p.m.

The Tucker Carlson Show - October 08, 2026

Charlie Kirk Was Right. Our Leaders Ignored Him.

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