00:05:04.780And because and same with China, same with North Korea, same with Russia, because they allow their own citizens no freedom, we have to kill their governments.0.92
00:05:13.800But those same people making that argument are now endorsing tyranny and totalitarianism at home.
00:05:19.960So it's like, what could possibly be the justification for their foreign policy?
00:05:23.980you know as somebody who has really had to immerse myself in u.s war propaganda and just
00:05:30.500war propaganda generally as somebody who has opposed pretty much every war that the united
00:05:34.360states has fought over the last say 25 years there are a lot of things about war propaganda
00:05:38.340that i think are universal that aren't that surprising it's a very effective science it's
00:05:42.320been developed over decades really centuries using multiple fields of discipline and anthropology and
00:05:47.480psychology and psychiatry it's a very precise science it's not surprising that it works but
00:05:53.140sometimes there are things that are so brazen about it that even my respect for the efficacy
00:05:59.340of propaganda makes me shocked that it does work. And one of the things that I find most shocking
00:06:03.540is this idea that the United States goes to war against the tyrannical and dictatorial
00:06:12.060government to the world because we want to free the oppressed people and bring them freedom and
00:06:15.780democracy. When if you know anything about American history, our history is exactly the
00:06:20.640opposite. We've spent so many decades overthrowing democratically elected leaders and imposing on
00:06:25.720those countries some of the most brutal military dictatorships ever known in human history,
00:06:30.480including, of course, in Iran and countless other places. Right now, our closest allies
00:06:34.460that Trump loves most are the most brutal regimes in Saudi Arabia, the Emiratis, the Egyptians,
00:06:41.560all over the world. That has always been our goal. And anyone who believed, there was actually an
00:06:45.920article last week in the New York Times about how these idiotic Iranian exiles who have0.99
00:06:50.600lived for decades in london and toronto and and and chicago and la somehow got held up as the1.00
00:06:57.480voice of the iranian people who were saying please please come and bomb our country we want you to
00:07:01.900free us now are saying oh my god we're so disillusioned it turns out trump really wasn't
00:07:06.120interested in freeing the iranian people nor was netanyahu they were fighting the war solely for
00:07:10.980their own interests and they're willing to kill as many of us as possible in order to advance that
00:07:15.060and it's like oh that just occurred to you that that so yes there if you were to believe that0.57
00:07:21.640neocons and the like and their war propaganda about how they want to free the repressed people
00:07:25.700of the worlds were actually real you would then find it oddly contradictory that they're imposing
00:07:30.500this tyrannical surveillance state at home but if you understand which i think most reasonably
00:07:36.580perceptive people do that spreading freedom and democracy have nothing to do with why we fight
00:07:42.300wars. In fact, if anything, we're more interested in undercutting freedom and democracy. We prefer
00:07:46.640dictatorships at our service who control their countries and suppress their populations for us.
00:07:52.080Then it makes all the sense in the world that those same people would want to maintain as much
00:07:56.740of a grip on the domestic population as they do on the rest of the world. And nothing, there is
00:08:01.660nothing. This is, I think, the other point, Tucker, when we were doing the stoner reporting
00:08:06.640and people really understood, oh, wow, it turns out that our government really was converting
00:08:12.780What we were told was this very liberatory,
00:08:15.880emancipatory technology, which was the internet.
00:08:18.300They were actually converting it into its exact opposite,
00:08:20.540the most coercive and potent means of human control
00:10:10.380I mean, like they're yelling at us for caring.
00:10:13.380Well, what they're trying to do is to essentially say that if you are somebody who craves privacy in your life, who wants to have areas of your life that are free of government or corporate monitoring and scrutiny, then essentially you're admitting that you do things that are wrong.
00:10:30.540In fact, Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Google for many years, that's actually one time exactly
00:10:37.860what he said when people were raising questions about the invasiveness of Google and how it's
00:10:41.760creating this dragnet of ubiquitous surveillance.
00:10:44.960He said, well, why don't you think about it this way?
00:10:46.660If you're doing something that you don't want other people to know about it, maybe you should
00:10:50.640Maybe that's something that you ought not to be doing.
00:10:53.120As though the mere fact that human beings crave privacy in any realm at any point in
00:10:58.720our lives for any purpose suggests that we are somehow bad people because we want to hide things.
00:11:04.460And the only reason to hide things is if you're a pedophile or otherwise engaged in dangerous
00:11:09.120conduct that you shouldn't be engaged in. And ultimately, I think you're right. That is the
00:11:12.720most pernicious and sinister part of this, which is to start trying to convince people that anybody
00:11:17.620who actually cares about privacy cares about privacy only because they're doing things that
00:11:21.960you should want the government to know about because they're probably really bad and dangerous
00:11:25.500people. I just, I think sometimes we forget like how un-American that is. You know, when I went to
00:11:30.840law school and like, you know, you study the Federalist Papers and the constitution and the
00:11:34.160layout of it. I remember being kind of amazed. Like it really struck me how the founders had
00:11:40.940this debate and they purposely imposed restrictions on police power, on state power,
00:11:48.180knowing that it would make it easier for violent criminals, rapists, pedophiles to often escape.
00:11:55.500And to do some more, like the police would be able to catch so many more criminals if they could just barge into your home at any time or search whatever it is that they wanted.
00:12:04.060Privacy is so foundational to, you know, the state can't just come into your home and use your house to quarter their soldiers.
00:12:10.560This is all the value of privacy that pervades every part of the Bill of Rights.
00:12:14.340And what it means to be American and the idea that you should give up your privacy, that only bad people care about privacy, could not be any more anti-American in its ethos.
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00:14:41.420I don't whip around and scream at the person for complaining.
00:14:43.960And yet, again and again and again, you see this impulse from our leaders, particularly the ones who are pushing the war in Iran, the neocons, that suggest deep contempt for the American population.
00:14:57.080And you saw it in the last 10 days in the debate over food inflation.0.93
00:15:03.340Rather than just make the argument that, no, the numbers aren't real, your lived experience is imaginary, it doesn't actually cost more to eat than it did five years ago, you're making it up in your mind, you're crazy.
00:15:13.960they they've been scolding people like yelling at them like you know how dare you complain
00:15:19.700about a 20 burrito you're not doing it right what is that you know this is i mean this is one of the
00:15:27.900things that i think we've gotten away from so severely and maybe it was too gradual and it
00:15:32.900kind of like the the the frog in the the boiling water metaphor but the whole idea of why congress
00:15:39.860was supposed to approve wars was because war is something that by necessity affects every single
00:15:45.280person in very fundamental ways. I mean, there was an assumption, even though it proved not to be
00:15:50.060true, that obviously in times of war, you're going to have to pay more taxes because someone has to
00:15:55.180pay for the war. They didn't know that we were just going to create this fiat system of money
00:15:58.240and borrow trillions from China. But anyway, that was their assumption. But it would also affect
00:16:02.840the country in every single other way. Your sons would be endangered because they were the ones
00:16:37.720But still, it was an 18-month PR campaign by George Bush and Dick Cheney and the rest to convince Americans why we needed to go and invade Iraq and take out Saddam Hussein.
00:16:46.380They thought it was important that Americans got on board, and they did.
00:16:49.080Two-thirds or more of Americans favored the war in Iraq at the time that it began.
00:16:55.020There was no campaign of any kind, no pretense of caring about the American population thought when trying to sell this war in Iran that basically came out of nowhere.
00:17:03.140polls showed that americans overwhelmingly were opposed to it and they've only gotten more opposed
00:17:08.100and the the the reaction is who cares who cares what the american people think who cares if they
00:17:14.660think it's not worth it to pay more gas prices and more at the supermarket when they're already
00:17:18.720facing economic difficulties too bad for them they need to shut up and and accept it and take it
00:17:23.860because our goals are more important it's a it's such a overtly contemptuous message as you say
00:18:43.140Ultimately, I almost wrote a book on this one.
00:18:44.800Actually, I was about to write a book on it when I met someone named Edward Snowden that kind of derailed me for a few years.
00:18:50.960I remember growing up, I didn't know any rich people.
00:18:54.220And one of the very first few rich people I really met or ever talked to was right when I started my blog early on.
00:19:00.780I had this guy who was like a major high-level mathematician at one of the most lucrative hedge funds making enormous sums of money.
00:19:08.140And I remember after the 2008 financial crisis, you know, I was doing a lot of reading about oligarchs in the past and how frightened they were of the public.
00:19:17.060Like the greatest fear that the very wealthy had in America was of a populist uprising.
00:19:22.580And that was how FDR was able to sell them on the New Deal was, look, you may not like
00:19:26.520the New Deal, but if we don't make these people's lives better in some way, you know, you can
00:19:30.960say goodbye to the whole capitalist system.
00:19:33.040And they used to have yachts where they had safes full of their jewels because they thought
00:19:36.780any moment they were going to, you know, have a kind of Bolshevik revolution.
00:19:40.320And that's why like John Rockefeller and Henry Ford used to ride down the street handing
00:20:17.780And I think the reason it's gone is because they believe that the police state that they've
00:20:21.460constructed is enough to keep them safe, no matter how angry the peasants are.
00:20:28.020And I think that is a lot of where this surveillance state comes from.
00:20:31.540Like if you have this massive wealth inequality, there are two ways to, I think, maintain it.
00:20:37.620One is to play keep the public, the majority just enough so that they don't really feel
00:20:42.680like it's worth it to go risk their lives and wage violence and a revolution because
00:20:47.180they're at least minimally fed they have a enough of a decent life um just above the
00:20:51.740assistance level but if you're not going to do that the alternative is just paramilitarize the
00:20:57.040society build huge walls behind which all the rich live uh give extreme authorities uh of violence
00:21:04.080and and surveillance to the police forces that you fund and construct that are there really to
00:21:09.400protect that system and to protect you and i think so much of this mass surveillance and everything
00:21:14.220else is that the recognition that that is the path that has been chosen. And, you know, I mean,
00:21:21.160I guess the French elite thought that they were safe behind the walls of Versailles.
00:21:24.620And to some extent, you can probably make yourself pretty safe. But at some point,
00:21:29.080if you keep creating this kind of complete loss and of faith and trust in institutions of authority
00:21:35.740and a belief, a very well-rounded belief that the suffering that people have in their lives
00:21:40.220is due to those in power, not left, right, not Democrat versus Republican, not pro or anti-abortion
00:21:45.520or pro and anti-trans or whatever. But based on what is being done with the distribution of power
00:21:50.180and wealth, I don't think that even the greatest amount of paramilitarization and surveillance
00:21:56.640will be enough to stop it. But that is definitely the goal. And it's tied into their ability to go
00:22:01.300around having wars and not care if people are supportive of it or angry about it because they
00:22:06.720They just believe, you know, Peter Thiel believes he can build his own private island and have Palantir surveil everybody, and he'll always know whatever threats are emerging.
00:22:13.680And I think that is the mentality that they have opted for.
00:22:17.380I've always thought that pharma played a role in this.
00:22:20.160It is not simply surveilling and threatening people into obedience, but it's also changing the nature of people through benzodiazepines and SSRIs.
00:22:28.320And there's the whole cornucopia of sort of suppressive drugs that to hand it out,
00:22:34.580you can get them online without ever seeing a doctor.
00:22:37.540And that seems like an instrument of social policy to me, of social control.
00:22:44.400Yeah, I think marijuana is part of that as well.
00:22:46.640I mean, I'm definitely somebody who believes in the legalization of marijuana
00:22:49.040just because it gives the state way too much power to criminalize it.
00:22:52.100Um, but the fact that so many people are ingesting so many substances that are being given to them, fed to them, recommended to them, promoted to them that are basically designed to just almost create a zombie state.
00:23:05.680like sometimes anxiety is good yes anger is good these are the things that you know are are drivers
00:23:12.580of us wanting better lives and if you sandpaper all the edges off of humanity and just turn them
00:23:18.460into kind of like doped up narcoticized you know people who are willing to accept that
00:23:25.080everything and anything and just kind of be content with it that is i mean it's very dystopian
00:23:31.360And it sounds very dystopian, but it's also in a large, to a large extent, if you know people in your life, which you probably do, who are taking a large amount of antidepressants or Xanax or any of these medications, marijuana too, to put themselves constantly in a state of tranquility and acceptance and submission.
00:23:48.880You can see the effects of it in their daily lives, but also on this kind of macro level that is very, very beneficial to people in power.
00:23:54.960You want a population that's content and happy.
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00:26:17.380so but can you expand i i snorted in agreement but i would if you wouldn't mind just explaining
00:26:24.420a little more precisely your point that anxiety can be good because i do think americans are
00:26:31.500trained to see pain in general but specifically anxiety is like the last thing you ever want to
00:26:37.000deal with you should do whatever it takes to avoid ever feeling anxious why do you disagree
00:26:41.900why do you think it can be hopeful? All of these human emotions that we have,
00:26:47.420all of these human instincts that we have, these are fundamental to our survival. They're the
00:26:52.420reason why natural selection has produced human beings that are capable of feeling all these
00:26:58.000things and who do react in these ways to all of these events, because these are the sentiments
00:27:03.240and feelings that maximize your chance of survival and not just survival, but you're thriving and
00:27:08.480you're prospering and your ability to find happiness. And it's sort of like fear. Nobody
00:27:14.340likes feeling fear, but I'm really glad that I have the ability to feel fear if something actually
00:27:19.980dangerous is nearby because then I'll either protect myself from it or I'll try and flee or
00:27:24.460I'll try and do things to save myself. If I just took pills that constantly eliminated my sense of
00:27:29.880fear, I might feel better day to day, but it would also drastically impede the capabilities that I
00:27:35.680have that are fundamental to my being a human being who can survive and thrive in the world.
00:27:39.960And the same is true of anxiety. Anxiety is what tells us there's something wrong.
00:27:43.880You know, anxiety tells us there's things that are going on that are not as they should be.
00:27:48.960This is one of the most, this is what drives intellectual achievement. It's what drives
00:27:53.840social and political change and revolutions. If you are willing to just take medication every day
00:28:00.480in order to drown that out or suffocate it or kill it, you're taking away one of the most
00:28:05.680important, valuable drivers that you have as a human being. And you'll just kind of stagnate.
00:28:09.960You may be happier in the sense that people who perceive nothing are happy. You know,
00:28:14.900if you perceive nothing, if you just limit what you know to a very small number of things,
00:28:20.260you might be kind of that ignorance is bliss kind of formula. There is a level of happiness to it,
00:28:25.340but it's very shallow. It's very superficial. And ultimately it's designed to make you accept
00:28:30.200things that really you want not to accept, not to feel good about, not to be happy about.
00:28:34.380It also reframes reality in a way that's very dishonest. So basically, therapy culture tells you it's on you. Like you've got this trauma that you're carrying around with, all of which, you know, there's truth in all of that, by the way, I'm not dismissing it.
00:28:49.300But like big picture, a lot of Americans are really unhappy because the system is working against them.
00:28:55.580The system that they did not create into which they were born, which has changed a lot over the past 30 years.
00:36:25.140idea of how many people who are civilians have been killed in iran the very first day we know
00:36:32.180that we killed 165 schoolgirls the very people we claim we were going to war to liberate
00:36:36.880by just dropping a gigantic missile on their school and then a second missile when people0.88
00:36:44.000showed up to help them the notorious double strike missiles that the israelis use constantly
00:36:48.700in gaza so it's not like this war has been free of atrocities and the like but i think it's been
00:36:55.100kept hidden enough. We don't know the names of Iranian victims. We don't really get a full
00:36:59.500glimpse of it is. And at the same time, given the few number of people who are fighting the war,
00:37:04.160the fact that not many of them are coming back dead, I think it's been enough to just kind of
00:37:07.500numb people and make them think, well, this isn't really something that's affecting me directly,
00:37:12.080even though I'm paying more. I think there's a pretty high trigger for when people are going
00:37:17.320to go out into the street and actually protest. I should also add, Tucker, this is something to
00:37:21.760consider as well is the protest movement that occurred on American campuses about the war in
00:37:29.000Gaza did not just peter out. Those were crushed. They were crushed through a combination of police
00:37:35.160violence, but especially essentially the criminalization of those protests. Many of
00:37:39.840those protesters got expelled. A lot of them got deported. They made very clear the government did
00:37:45.520that they regarded protests against government policy, even though it's one of our most
00:37:49.560foundational rights that's protected by the Constitution as something that was going to be
00:37:53.040crushed through the use of police force and state punishments of all kind. And when you create a
00:37:58.660climate where people know if they protest the government's war policies, there's a good chance
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00:39:21.260One of the reasons those protests took place is because there was evidence, as you just said, of what was happening in Gaza.
00:39:27.660But there really, there's no coverage of the war and run or for that matter, coverage of the war against Russia from Russia's perspective.
00:39:35.860So when the first Gulf War broke out in the winter of 1990 and 1991, CNN famously was there in Baghdad as the United States began its barrage of Baghdad.
00:39:45.280And you could watch it live on television.0.60
00:40:02.220Like the propaganda is founded on lack of information, I think.
00:40:09.140I mean, I think this is so crucial that the easiest way to prevent public outrage about public policy or public behavior that deserves outrage is simply to hide it.
00:40:22.880You know, I did a lot of reporting on the atrocities inside factory farms, the way factory food is produced through the torture and slaughter of billions of animals.
00:40:32.740And not just their slaughter, but their actual horrific torture, but also the grotesque public health conditions in which these animals are kept that contaminate the food pile, the risk of epidemics from antibiotics, et cetera, et cetera.
00:40:45.260And so one of the ways this industry purposely ensures that nobody gets outraged by it is to cover it up.
00:40:50.820They actually got used their control of state legislatures and all of the farming states to pass what are called ag-gag laws that made it a criminal offense for anybody to go get a job inside a factory farm and then film what was taking place, which was basically the way the only way that we ever got to a glimpse of what was happening there.
00:43:57.260yeah well i mean that is one of the issues is for no one thinks china is a beacon of free speech0.91
00:44:04.540especially when it comes to their own people that's for sure but in a way they were the only
00:44:09.720outlet that the u.s government couldn't fully control right like during covid the u.s government
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00:44:19.900efficacies of the mask or social distancing or school lockdowns and its advisability they were
00:44:24.660easily able to censor it because they had basic control over all of the American big tech platforms
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00:46:16.560My concern about the censorship that just covers all the main facts of these two wars in progress in Russia and Iran is that obviously it hardens us to the effects of what our policies actually do.
00:46:32.180But it also makes it hard to make wise decisions because you have no idea the other side's perspective.
00:46:38.280So, for example, I keep, including at dinner last night,
00:46:40.860running into people who sincerely believe
00:46:43.040that Ukraine is winning the war against Russia
00:46:45.300and who have no idea that the United States
00:46:47.460is actually fighting that war, NATO, but our proxy NATO.
00:46:50.660But we're, the CIA is allowing all the targeting
00:46:53.660to take place and we're running Ukraine.
00:46:56.540But they don't, no one seems to know that.
00:46:58.660And they seem, so it seems like a feedback loop,
00:47:01.400like we're winning, or Ukraine is winning, amazingly,
00:47:04.700and Rush is going to surrender at any moment now
00:49:28.280they came to rumble and said the french government did and said you have rt and sputnik that you
00:49:35.060allow on your site and you need to take those down because you law doesn't permit the dissemination
00:49:39.760of those media outlets in our in our countries and when rumble said no they banned all of rumble at
00:49:45.080the ip level so rumble was not available in france that's how rigorously enforced it was
00:49:50.480now even at the height of the cold war you could go to the new york times and khrushchev would come
00:49:56.160to the United States and give a speech and they would print the full text of the speech. He would
00:49:59.240be interviewed. We would always hear from Soviet leaders. The Soviet Union, Richard Nixon would go
00:50:03.740to the Soviet Union. He would go on national television and talk about the virtues of
00:50:07.800capitalism and freedom and the like. This is a level of censorship so extreme that it shocks me
00:50:13.500that people tolerate. But the reason for it is, is because if you actually hear the perspective
00:50:18.840of the Russians, and I know you did this and I have gone to Russia and I've interviewed Russian
00:50:23.960officials, because I do want to hear what they're saying. I do want to hear the perspective of the
00:50:27.880other side in a war, but it's become almost like treasonous. You know, this climate has been
00:50:32.460created where you're not supposed to listen to them. And any journalist who publish it or talk
00:50:37.320about it are somehow traitors to the country or, or accused of being on the payroll of propaganda
00:50:43.620simply for reporting what their perspective is, not just what our government officials want you
00:50:48.420to know. And it is, you know, nothing makes propagandizing a population easier than if you
00:50:56.480get to just banish the population from hearing any alternative views. What do you think the
00:51:02.300purpose of this is? Like, what's the goal in the war against Russia? Like, what's the end game?
00:51:09.760I mean, I'll just say in one sentence, from my perspective, it's the biggest country in the
00:51:13.680world. It's a civilization as well as a nation state. And it has the world's largest nuclear
00:51:18.160arsenal. So you're probably not going to defeat Russia, right? Let's just start there.0.92
00:51:23.420So, but do they not know that? Or what, you know, like, what is the plan here?
00:51:30.040You know, I have to confess, I've never had a clear answer. I've never gotten a clear answer.
00:51:36.340I've never settled on a clear explanation for why the U.S. national security state has so much deep
00:51:44.620animosity toward Russia and wants to destroy it.
00:51:47.260And because this goes back way before Russiagate, it's one of the reasons why I hated Russiagate
00:51:50.420so much, not just because it was a scandal with no evidence, but because I thought it
00:51:53.700was dangerous in the extreme to start feeding Americans again on this idea that the gravest
00:51:58.320threat to our democracy, the existential threat, happens to be the country with the largest
00:52:03.360nuclear stockpile that we've all been trained for generations to hate and fear.
00:52:07.500I just knew that that was not just dangerous, but very purposeful.0.98
00:52:10.960And if you go back even to 2010, 2011, Hillary Clinton at the State Department was absolutely obsessed with undermining and subverting Russia.0.91
00:52:20.000She was openly funding, in the name of, of course, democracy, anti-Putin opposition groups.
00:52:26.000A lot of the protests that appeared on the streets of Moscow and St. Petersburg and other places were funded by the National Endowment for Democracy under Hillary Clinton's orders, all kinds of covert operations.
00:52:36.460When Hillary Clinton wrote her book, Hard Choices, when she got the Obama administration, the only real topic on which she clearly criticized Obama was what she thought was his refusal to, quote-unquote, confront Russia, both in Syria and in Ukraine.
00:52:54.520And there has been this, you know, at neocons,
00:52:56.740I mean, Jeffrey Goldberg did this interview with Obama
01:04:15.960So the Democratic Party, and not just, you know, say like the Chuck Schumer wing of the Democratic Party, but AOC, Ilhan Omar, the whole squad, like every as far left as you can go to the far center right as you can go, were unanimous from the start in wanting to take hundreds of billions of dollars that they claim they really want to use to improve the material lives of American citizens at home.
01:04:41.940and they wanted to send it to the coffers of Raytheon and Boeing and Palantir in order to
01:04:47.440fuel the NATO war that does not save Ukraine. It sacrifices Ukraine for the geopolitical of
01:04:53.840weakening Russia. Not a single Democrat dissented. I think now there was recently some exchange where
01:05:00.360Ilhan Omar and Summer Lee said something, accused some neocon member of the Senate with whom they
01:05:07.480were arguing online well you're the one who paid for the bombs that are dropping on on these people
01:05:12.260and he reminded them no you're at you you also voted to send the money to to buy those bombs
01:05:17.740for for ukraine and i think some of them are starting to have a little bit of second thoughts
01:05:21.960once they see just how this war is escalating it's still very dangerous but that is when you
01:05:28.100can create a kind of demonized single-headed figure and it's always based on this lie that
01:10:01.140um are there dsa-led protests against the war with russia because it seems to me if you were
01:10:07.360like actually against the establishment there's no bigger establishment project in the war against
01:10:12.760russia it's been ongoing as you just said for 30 years and it enriches raytheon and boeing and the
01:10:18.800rest of the defense contractors so like if you were a radical political party you'd start by
01:10:25.900opposing that, are they? Well, some are. And I'll tell you this interesting thing. When I first
01:10:33.580started really kind of connecting to and immersing myself in critiques of foreign policy and U.S.
01:10:40.240oligarchy and the like, the models that I used were kind of what you might now call the old left,
01:10:46.540like the ACLU civil libertarian. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
01:10:48.760skokie you know even noam chomsky who was like just you know who thought that the intelligence
01:10:54.280agencies and and the military industrial complex were the greatest evil what is the last time you
01:10:59.780heard anybody associated on the left with any kind of platform like bernie sanders or aoc
01:11:04.380talk about the evils of the cia or the uh or the the nsa oh they endorse abigail spanberger
01:11:11.420as the cia literally takes over the commonwealth of virginia exactly at least and of the democratic1.00
01:11:17.240Party. And the reason is in so many ways, because Russiagate was a, basically it was a hoax that
01:11:23.540emanated from the CIA and the FBI. And those people became the allies of the Democratic Party
01:11:28.520against Trump. And they aligned with those people. Just to give you a very quick little
01:11:34.840anecdote into that, well, Matt Taibbi went to testify about the Twitter files that showed this
01:11:40.260constant, endless, coercive pressure from the Biden administration on big tech, including
01:11:45.240Twitter to censor COVID dissidents, they had this guy, Colin Allred, who was a, who's a
01:11:51.340Democratic congressman from Texas who said, you know, you should take off your tinfoil hat and
01:11:56.500realize that maybe the good folks of the CIA and the FBI are censoring, not for any nefarious
01:12:01.800purposes, but because they want to keep you safe. I was like, that's a democratic party is now the
01:12:08.460one that tells you that you should be grateful for CIA censorship because all they want to do
01:12:12.540is just help the good people stay safe and that's what the democratic party has become and that's
01:12:16.800why there was basically no opposition to the you know they were told russia was what put trump in
01:12:21.960office that that russia was the absolute aggressor and this was these were war crimes similar to the
01:12:28.280worst wars you can imagine they all got just overnight convinced to to want to pour hundreds
01:12:32.760of billions of dollars into the uh arms industry one of the candidates who won in new york dara1.00
01:12:38.020Liza Chevalier, who was actually one of the least likely to win. She ran against that0.99
01:12:43.900eight-year incumbent who was the head of the House Progressive Hispanic Caucus, and she won.
01:12:50.720She was actually somebody who has a history of saying, we're not going to support this NATO war.
01:12:55.900Why are we spending all this money to fund the NATO war against Russia, that sacrificing Ukrainians?
01:13:03.320I was so happy to finally find someone on the left who reconnected to that old.0.53
01:13:08.480And, you know, she kind of quickly has downplayed it because Ukraine remains a religion on the left.
01:13:12.400So there is some of that more positive radicalism among some of these DSA candidates.
01:13:17.680The problem, though, Tucker, you see this with Trump and the MAGA movement, and you've definitely seen it with a lot of these supposedly radical candidates who became adjacent to the Democratic Party,
01:13:27.440is you can think that you're taking over these parties