The Tucker Carlson Show - August 07, 2026


Hacker Kim Dotcom Issues Dark Warning on Surveillance, Electronic Voting Machines, and Nuclear War


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00:00:21.480 Kim.com, thank you very much.
00:00:23.660 Thank you very much for doing this.
00:00:25.000 How much privacy do we have as citizens of New Zealand or the United States?
00:00:33.540 Not much, because the government is surveilling everybody.
00:00:39.720 Yeah.
00:00:40.960 How are they doing that?
00:00:42.340 Um, they have mass surveillance programs that are designed to catch every phone call, video call, everything you do.
00:00:59.880 What is the purpose of that? Why are they surveilling their own populations?
00:01:04.560 Because they can create a profile of their citizens and then use the data to basically put the people in categories and influence them as well.
00:01:24.760 So it's not just surveillance, it's also mind-eyeing in terms of elections or something.
00:01:37.660 Okay, so you believe the government is tailoring its propaganda to the population based on profiles that they've assembled, like Facebook does for advertising?
00:01:49.200 Yeah. So if they want, for example, support for a war, they can use this system to convince people.
00:02:06.380 Interesting. How do you get out of it? How do you find privacy in a panopticon like this?
00:02:14.300 don't be connected to the internet it's the only way yeah don't be but if you're not connected to
00:02:23.540 the internet then you can't communicate with people except in your living room
00:02:28.300 it's true but uh it's a high price to pay if you're online uh you have to know
00:02:38.320 that everything you do is being watched and listened to.
00:02:45.340 Why is there no way out?
00:02:48.680 Why is there no phone or laptop or tablet
00:02:51.940 that allows me to communicate with you without being spied on?
00:02:59.320 Because the U.S. government has a lot of fingers in the technology.
00:03:08.320 So, every website that you visit, every tool that you use, every hardware that you use is controlled by the U.S. government bots.
00:03:23.540 So, this is not a new phenomenon.
00:03:26.480 You were indicted, I think, in 2011, 2012, a long time ago.
00:03:31.780 Zach, what year was it?
00:03:34.960 In 2005.
00:03:36.380 2012 so 14 years ago what you were doing you're basically allowing people to upload large files
00:03:45.880 privately on the internet i think that's what you were doing and that was so threatening that
00:03:51.920 the u.s government tried to put you in prison no what was really threatening was i gave money to
00:04:00.160 wikileaks and julian assange so the u.s government saw me as a person of interest because of that
00:04:11.700 and everything that followed is because of my support for the truth yeah for julian assange
00:04:23.260 Yeah.
00:04:24.440 So when Julian came out with the video Collateral Murder,
00:04:30.540 maybe you remember that,
00:04:32.540 I was touched by it and gave a lot of money to WikiLeaks.
00:04:39.280 And then what happened after you did that?
00:04:44.040 I was charged with copyright infringement.
00:04:47.400 So what my users uploaded to my website,
00:04:51.340 they said
00:04:53.420 I'm responsible for that
00:04:55.480 but wouldn't Facebook
00:04:59.060 be responsible for every criminal who uses
00:05:01.540 a meta product
00:05:02.700 wouldn't Google be responsible for
00:05:05.120 any criminal who uses their search engine
00:05:07.400 I mean this is a new
00:05:09.200 I've never heard of this principle before
00:05:11.080 yeah
00:05:12.320 the big difference is
00:05:15.380 they did not give money to
00:05:17.280 Wikileaks
00:05:18.040 so what what what did they charge you with and what was the penalty
00:05:25.740 they charged me with uh rico x so they not only say i'm a criminal because i allowed people to
00:05:39.280 to use my websites for infringement,
00:05:45.260 they said I planned it with other people. 1.00
00:05:51.260 Stupid. 1.00
00:05:52.640 And what were the penalties for this? 1.00
00:05:55.820 Oh, they want to put me in jail for 186 years.
00:06:01.920 I'm sorry to laugh.
00:06:03.940 186 years for copyright infringement?
00:06:06.400 oh that's what you get if you support julian assad well i do support julian assad so i hope
00:06:16.400 that's not coming for me so whatever happened to the charges oh they want to extradite me
00:06:24.260 from new zealand to the united states are they still trying to do that yeah
00:06:32.540 But even after my stroke, they are still trying to do that.
00:06:40.240 Are you worried that they'll be able to?
00:06:44.180 Oh, they would want to.
00:06:46.500 I have no doubt.
00:06:49.380 But I don't know if they can.
00:06:52.380 Because I'm not the same person anymore after my stroke.
00:06:59.540 So if they really want to go ahead, they are up for a big challenge.
00:07:08.000 What would happen if you were to use your money to build a phone that was truly private,
00:07:15.480 that the U.S. government could not listen to?
00:07:20.200 I did something like that when I was still the creator of Mega.
00:07:27.560 So I had an encrypted communication tool, but now who's running MAKA is no longer trustworthy.
00:07:42.700 But why hasn't anyone done that?
00:07:45.700 I mean, it seems like the one thing we could use to regain our freedom is a communications, a simple communications device that's actually private.
00:07:54.540 In the U.S., you can't.
00:07:57.560 So if you put out an encrypted device, then the government will just send you a letter saying you have to give us a big door, go to jail.
00:08:10.240 You know, this is legally possible in the U.S.
00:08:14.640 The government can't just send you a letter to say, give me a big door.
00:08:20.940 And what if you say no?
00:08:24.600 They put you in jail.
00:08:27.560 So, it is illegal in the United States to communicate privately?
00:08:33.820 It's illegal, yeah.
00:08:35.540 No, they say you have freedom of speech, but you don't.
00:08:41.320 You know, it's a joke.
00:08:43.880 Does any country have freedom of speech?
00:08:46.040 you have a certain degrees of freedom of speech but it's not like it used to be you know where
00:08:59.700 your privacy is protected under the UN charter we are all protected you know the US just doesn't
00:09:10.720 And because the U.S., we know this from Alfred Snowden, it's fine on everybody.
00:09:21.380 Everyone else is, you know.
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00:11:34.240 thanks
00:11:37.120 it's uh i'm not sure most americans understand any of this are any communications apps
00:11:47.140 signal whatsapp imessage or any of them actually secure no not even signal no no no no not at all
00:11:59.600 signal is the worst what how is signal the worst because everyone is using it
00:12:08.160 and the u.s government is laughing because they have a big door yeah but i mean people with i
00:12:16.720 happen to know with real secrets use signal and they're convinced that no one can hear or read
00:12:21.900 them on Signal, but they're
00:12:23.760 wrong. You're sure of that?
00:12:25.780 Yeah. So Signal
00:12:27.960 is not so true.
00:12:30.020 There's nothing I would recommend
00:12:32.120 other than
00:12:33.480 not using any communication
00:12:36.140 tools at all.
00:12:39.360 Really?
00:12:39.980 So if you wanted
00:12:42.120 to, I don't know,
00:12:44.100 organize resistance to tyranny,
00:12:46.180 you couldn't?
00:12:47.760 No, you can't.
00:12:51.900 Have you given up?
00:12:54.580 No, it's the truth.
00:12:56.960 You can't because all the tools are being watched.
00:13:04.120 How will AI change this picture?
00:13:07.520 AI is very dangerous because it will get access to the U.S. database for this kind of data mining.
00:13:22.900 So the AI will know everything about everybody.
00:13:29.360 And there's no way to stop that?
00:13:33.900 Don't have AI.
00:13:35.800 Don't have internet.
00:13:37.520 is the only way.
00:13:40.940 Why is the U.S. planning
00:13:43.640 on building so many data centers?
00:13:47.920 It's already building
00:13:50.460 huge data centers
00:13:52.780 because it collects
00:13:57.100 about 10 petabytes of data a day.
00:14:02.200 So it's a lot.
00:14:05.100 All communications
00:14:07.020 everything so that why is the united states building so many more data centers than china is
00:14:15.260 do you know you you can't say that because you're being told that you know china is not
00:14:26.480 far behind the u.s when it comes to ai you're only being told that it's propaganda you know 0.61
00:14:35.960 So Obama made it legal to propagandize U.S. citizens.
00:14:43.880 So you can't believe anything they say.
00:14:48.940 Are American media outlets part of that effort to propagandize the public?
00:14:55.860 Yeah, of course.
00:14:57.440 You know, whoever controls them controls the public.
00:15:05.240 So any access to the media today is controlled.
00:15:13.060 So in the U.S. there's been a rise of independent media.
00:15:17.200 Some of them have big platforms, reach a lot of people,
00:15:20.480 and they're, well, having conversations like this.
00:15:23.560 They're against the program.
00:15:24.660 How long can that last, do you think?
00:15:28.720 It's okay that there's independent media.
00:15:32.760 Yeah, and you are one of them.
00:15:36.500 So it's very good to have you, you know.
00:15:40.300 But there will be a crackdown sooner or later
00:15:43.920 on everybody that is still not controlled, yeah.
00:15:50.940 And what can people do to fight back against that crackdown?
00:15:56.500 Not much.
00:15:57.780 You see the power of the government is very strong, so there's not much you can do about it.
00:16:11.860 You don't seem very hopeful, are you?
00:16:15.300 It's a reality. What's going to tell you is the truth, yeah?
00:16:21.020 Are there any free countries, or what is the freest country, do you think, right now, where people can say what they think with the most latitude?
00:16:30.600 I think Switzerland is very good.
00:16:34.000 Yeah, Switzerland. 1.00
00:16:36.380 Because they have Dalek democracy, not a representative democracy, so the people decide. 0.99
00:16:47.300 It's people power.
00:16:48.700 I bring that in to New Zealand, this election.
00:16:55.000 So with the Freedom Party, we will have direct democracy available here.
00:17:06.000 Do you think that direct democracy will spread to other countries?
00:17:09.520 I think it's the only way, because politicians are not honest people.
00:17:18.700 They only look for how to make a lot of money, you know.
00:17:23.660 So a direct democracy is the answer, you know. 0.64
00:17:31.100 Do you think that the war in Iran will change America's place in the world?
00:17:37.280 What does the world look like in 10 years?
00:17:38.960 So the U.S. is struggling to remain number one
00:17:48.180 You know, the unipolar system that the U.S. had for many decades
00:17:57.380 They are fighting for it
00:17:59.560 But the U.S. is too much debt
00:18:07.280 They are going down
00:18:08.860 There's nothing that can prevent that.
00:18:12.760 So I think in the next few years, we will see a lot of negative things in the world because of that.
00:18:25.300 What kind of negative things?
00:18:26.980 so the west is highly dependent on the u.s not going under you know the
00:18:39.540 the war in ukraine will be lost the war in iran will be lost
00:18:46.220 If the USA will go into a big depression because of the debt, I think financially the world is heading into turmoil.
00:19:00.320 How is the war in Ukraine resolved? What does that look like?
00:19:05.960 It looks like now on the battlefield, you know. 0.71
00:19:10.080 So Russia will win against Ukraine, and I don't think there will be a settlement.
00:19:20.280 Do you believe that NATO will continue to attack Russia?
00:19:27.720 I think the attacks on Russia will continue for many years.
00:19:35.120 I don't see the U.S. and Europe giving up.
00:19:42.720 So I think what Russia has to prepare for is a bigger war. 0.60
00:19:51.920 A bigger war directly with the United States and Europe? 0.63
00:19:56.980 With Europe, yeah.
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00:23:13.660 You think that this will evolve or devolve into a direct conflict between NATO and Russia,
00:23:21.720 where Russia is hitting Europe,
00:23:23.640 Europe is hitting Russia? 0.67
00:23:26.120 Yeah. 0.97
00:23:27.440 I think so.
00:23:29.600 And who wins?
00:23:33.020 Russia, of course. 0.80
00:23:35.440 Because Europe has no armies.
00:23:40.460 You know, NATO is a toothless tiger.
00:23:44.420 Yeah.
00:23:45.500 Why would the Western powers,
00:23:48.740 why would NATO want a war with Russia?
00:23:50.800 I've never understood that.
00:23:53.480 The alternative is the U.S. loses.
00:23:58.200 And if the U.S. loses, it will go down.
00:24:03.060 You know, the West has invested a lot in the U.S.
00:24:08.740 So all the debt is owned by debtors.
00:24:13.580 Europe is a big debtor to the United States.
00:24:18.620 So, if the U.S. stock markets, for example, go down, all the European companies that are listed in the U.S. are also going down.
00:24:33.340 So, we are talking about a loss of maybe trillions, you know.
00:24:41.300 It's not something that the West can do.
00:24:46.780 They want to prevent the U.S. from going under.
00:24:55.580 I think, I understand that, and I'd like to see the U.S. not go under also,
00:25:00.560 but I think they're accelerating the destruction of the United States.
00:25:04.100 This is having the opposite effect.
00:25:05.900 If you wanted to wreck the U.S. and bring the empire to its knees
00:25:09.540 in the most humiliating, painful, expensive way, this is what you would do.
00:25:13.120 yeah but the death has now raised levels that are unsustainable so it's just a matter of time
00:25:26.260 you know that to run the u.s government cost 20 billion a day it's impossible
00:25:34.980 it's impossible that's right what what is the end of
00:25:43.120 the iran war what does that look like iran will win because the u.s has no weapons and no army to
00:25:52.080 invade you know you wonder where all the military money went because the the u.s has the biggest
00:26:02.720 budget for
00:26:04.460 the military, yet
00:26:06.580 they can't invade
00:26:08.880 it.
00:26:12.160 So, I think 1.00
00:26:15.100 Iran will win. 1.00
00:26:18.280 And then, what happens to the 0.99
00:26:20.820 United States? Does the U.S. get out of the Middle East? 0.97
00:26:24.700 Yeah. 0.93
00:26:25.680 Yeah.
00:26:30.500 What happens to
00:26:32.420 american politics like what direction does it go do you think from your perspective
00:26:37.660 i think the only way to save the america is for the people to vote directly they're not
00:26:48.920 through politicians the only way i think to save america is a direct democracy
00:26:58.600 Do you think electronic voting machines are honest
00:27:04.560 and reflect the will of the people, the votes that go into them?
00:27:09.540 I don't trust them, yeah.
00:27:12.120 I don't trust them because they are able to be manipulated, yeah.
00:27:21.180 You say that as fact.
00:27:22.940 You know for certain that electronic voting machines can be manipulated?
00:27:26.040 yeah they can
00:27:29.120 so why does the U.S. still have them
00:27:33.700 waiting for the right time to use them
00:27:43.400 I think
00:27:44.260 so
00:27:47.500 that's kind of grim
00:27:51.440 do you see a risk of a nuclear exchange
00:27:53.540 in Ukraine
00:27:55.880 Very likely. Because if the U.S. goes down, you know what is left. 39 trillion of debt can never be paid back. So it may take the rest of the world down with it.
00:28:16.860 And so how do you get to nuclear weapons from there? Who uses nuclear weapons, do you think?
00:28:22.220 I think the U.S. first against Iran and then against the world, primarily Russia and China.
00:28:39.140 But, you know, I saw that coming.
00:28:44.100 This is the reason why I am in New Zealand, because it's in the middle of nowhere.
00:28:50.640 It is the middle of nowhere.
00:28:53.420 When did you see this coming?
00:28:57.560 I don't know.
00:28:59.080 I don't know.
00:29:00.960 Could be many years.
00:29:03.440 It could be tomorrow.
00:29:04.980 I don't know.
00:29:06.480 But you saw this years ago.
00:29:08.740 You believed this was going to happen.
00:29:11.080 Yeah.
00:29:12.680 Okay, yeah, yeah.
00:29:13.860 I did.
00:29:15.360 I brought my family to safety.
00:29:17.900 whatever is safe
00:29:21.920 are you safe
00:29:23.880 I don't know
00:29:25.820 maybe
00:29:26.620 if I'm extra
00:29:29.560 to the US 0.98
00:29:30.980 I will die in the nuclear 0.99
00:29:33.580 holocaust 0.99
00:29:34.440 I think 1.00
00:29:36.660 oh so you're certain that's
00:29:39.620 coming
00:29:39.920 yeah
00:29:42.000 do you think it's likely
00:29:47.720 that Israel uses nuclear weapons?
00:29:51.280 Possibly.
00:29:53.100 Why does Israel have nuclear weapons
00:29:56.780 in the first place? 0.94
00:29:59.640 Because they spied on the U.S.
00:30:04.080 for the technology
00:30:05.620 and then they started
00:30:09.340 their own nuclear program.
00:30:11.740 Everybody in the world knows
00:30:13.780 that they have nuclear weapons, 0.51
00:30:16.100 Yet they go to war against Iraq, against Iran, trying to prevent them from having nuclear weapons. 0.64
00:30:26.600 You know, the first country that should give up nuclear weapons is Israel.
00:30:33.840 Yeah.
00:30:35.120 I don't think they're going to.
00:30:39.140 No, of course not.
00:30:40.960 can can you explain you said at the outset that um you were indicted and now they're trying to
00:30:48.340 extradite you because you supported julian assange yeah julian assange famously printed
00:30:53.860 american secret documents and videos on wikileaks on the internet um but the u.s government seemed
00:31:03.760 very focused on killing him.
00:31:06.420 Why was he such a threat? 0.55
00:31:10.060 Because he was telling the truth
00:31:12.540 and he got in the way of the plans
00:31:16.220 of the U.S. deep state, you know.
00:31:21.020 So anything that he has in terms of support
00:31:28.000 was attacked, yeah.
00:31:32.800 Why do you think Donald Trump, after spending 10 years saying he wouldn't start a regime change war with Iran, did in February start a regime change war with Iran? 1.00
00:31:45.440 Donald Trump is a big liar. 0.97
00:31:48.380 So anything he says, he just said to become president. 1.00
00:31:54.320 I wouldn't believe a word he says. 1.00
00:31:57.240 He's the biggest liar in the world. 0.99
00:32:00.520 what do you think his goal is what's his agenda why is he doing this 1.00
00:32:05.980 oh i think he wants to become more than the president of the united states he wants to
00:32:18.160 make history you know i think a nuclear war with him is very likely because of his narcissism
00:32:30.320 and his character flaws, yeah. 0.72
00:32:36.100 But starting a nuclear war would eliminate everybody.
00:32:40.560 I mean, there would be no history after that.
00:32:44.420 Yeah, but he is 80 years old,
00:32:47.080 so he is looking for the exit.
00:32:55.040 And you think nuclear war is the exit?
00:32:59.020 Yeah. 0.82
00:33:00.320 is there anything that can be done to stop that
00:33:06.000 not much
00:33:09.540 a revolt maybe a revolution in the united states you know 1.00
00:33:18.800 not have a fool like trump be president 0.99
00:33:26.720 Do you think the deep state agrees with Trump on the question of using nuclear weapons? 1.00
00:33:38.120 So you need to understand one thing.
00:33:42.280 The deep state has a big budget for keeping Russia and China surveilled.
00:33:51.460 So, if they have no longer the enemy of Russia and China, the U.S. deep state loses 40% of the budget. 0.68
00:34:04.720 So, they need to keep Russia and China, the eternal enemy, to make money.
00:34:13.220 Yes. 0.78
00:34:14.900 So, really, a nuclear war is not in anybody's interest.
00:34:20.960 No, of course not.
00:34:23.780 No, of course not.
00:34:25.480 Do you think that Europe, where you're from,
00:34:28.540 you're obviously German, 0.94
00:34:30.700 does Europe have a future as European? 0.84
00:34:36.120 If they make peace with Russia, yes.
00:34:40.000 If they cut ties with the U.S., yes. 0.84
00:34:45.880 If the U.S. keeps them as a vessel state, they have no chance to survive.
00:34:57.980 Yeah.
00:34:58.900 Do you believe Putin is secure in his job?
00:35:04.700 Putin has over 80% approval rating in Russia.
00:35:11.160 So I think he's pretty safe, yeah.
00:35:14.200 He's pretty safe.
00:35:15.880 and last question how have you been able to keep from being extradited when new zealand is a small
00:35:25.940 country without a meaningful military the united states wants to extradite you
00:35:29.680 how have you been able to convince the authorities in auckland not to send you to the united states
00:35:35.720 Not convince the authorities. It's a process, you know. I'm fighting a tradition wherever I can. So my lawyers are fighting it and using the process to fight it because that's all I can do.
00:35:58.460 yeah
00:35:59.760 well rooting for you
00:36:01.760 and for the world
00:36:02.720 Kim.com
00:36:04.200 thank you
00:36:04.760 I know you don't do
00:36:05.460 a lot of interviews
00:36:06.100 and so I'm grateful
00:36:06.780 you did this one
00:36:07.560 and thanks
00:36:09.760 great to see you
00:36:12.200 thank you