The Tucker Carlson Show - James Fishback on DeSantis’s Attack on Free Speech, Randy Fine’s Bloodlust, & America Last Globalism

00:00:00.000 so you're running for governor of florida why are you doing that i'm doing it because i love my

00:00:09.560 state i'm a fourth generation floridian and i gotta tell you tucker it's really hard to be

00:00:13.940 an american in america these days it's really hard for floridians who quite literally put the

00:00:18.420 state on the map they're not being forced out of the state because they can't afford to live here

00:00:23.080 anymore all while illegal immigrants still get the free stuff from the biden years all while h1b

00:00:28.480 still come into our state and take jobs that belong to americans here in florida and then i think the

00:00:33.620 last straw was this idea of washington dc negotiating a trade deal with china and then 600 000 foreign

00:00:39.900 students are going to come to our universities maybe a third of them to florida colleges where

00:00:44.260 their taxpayer funded universities are going to have to give up their seats from florida kids from

00:00:48.740 charlotte county or lee county to kids from shanghai and beijing it didn't make any sense and so i'm

00:00:54.900 running because i'm the only that's literally true literally that's part of the current framework

00:00:59.580 this bilateral framework between the u.s and china right now is the dc is now as a concession to the

00:01:05.100 chinese in this tariff war that we're going to have to accept 600 000 chinese foreign students at our

00:01:10.020 schools and you think you're getting 200 000 in florida we could get 200 000 here in florida

00:01:15.920 and they would go to state that's so university of florida florida state ucf usf now i think it's

00:01:23.700 easy to get lost in all those numbers but just take one kid from a small fishing village in florida

00:01:28.600 and say hold on your ability to go to a horticulture program at the university of florida

00:01:34.000 has now been put on pause your entire life has been shelved because we need to have a grand

00:01:40.140 negotiating strategy with china and tariffs and the ai arms race it's destroying lives here in florida

00:01:45.360 it's just the latest analogy of we're losing sight of what the america first so that's for sure so

00:01:51.500 that means i mean i guess this is all obvious but i haven't talked it through or really thought it

00:01:55.480 through so that would mean that there's no preference given to the american-born whose family's been

00:01:59.500 paying taxes to support the school and i should say in florida the best schools in florida are public

00:02:04.180 universities right the largest and the best right so university of florida number one i think i don't

00:02:09.820 want to get in trouble but i mean i'm just like yes hardest to get into so it's not like they're all

00:02:13.940 going to go to some boutique liberal arts college and pay a hundred grand a year to middlebury or

00:02:20.460 something they're going to be taking spots at the public universities that are there to serve the

00:02:25.060 children of taxpayers of florida that's exactly right who will not receive preference over them

00:02:29.060 correct in fact will be inferior to them in a sense because when you have this dc mandate coming down

00:02:35.040 that says hey because of our grand strategy with china because the u.s china the sino-us relationship

00:02:40.940 is on the line wink wink nod nod in order to maintain detente with beijing and xi jinping

00:02:46.260 we need this kid to get in and it's not going to ever be a direct order right but it's going to be

00:02:51.000 implied in the zeitgeist that you know those pesky americans you know the ones that paid to build this

00:02:55.700 university yes they deserve and forget this idea of fairness and who deserves what just objectively

00:03:02.820 speaking florida kids who grew up here know the state best when they graduate they'll stay in this

00:03:08.500 state they'll build businesses here they'll hunt here they'll raise families here and when you deny

00:03:13.660 them that ability to do all of that then what's the point that is a very uh distressing thing um and

00:03:23.480 that's happening it's happening what has been the posture of state government like what's the

00:03:28.020 governor's office say about that it's been nothing so far i think governor santis has been a great

00:03:32.640 governor especially during covet after covet standing yes i agree with that the indoctrination in our

00:03:37.600 schools which maybe is the only silver lining from covet as all the parents actually knew what

00:03:40.580 was going on in the classroom right the white guilt lessons you know yes to the white kids

00:03:44.400 we don't want the teachers telling the white kids to apologize and we don't want the teachers also

00:03:48.320 telling the black kids that there's something somehow wrong with them exactly and they're

00:03:51.100 systemically oppressed and they can never make it you know my posture on all of this is i think

00:03:55.860 it's conservatives we have to stop playing defense stop wagging the finger at things we don't like

00:03:59.880 and start actually having concrete falsifiable solutions to this issue of china here's my solution

00:04:05.660 very simple on day one my first executive order as governor next january is to raise tuition on all

00:04:11.940 foreign students to one million dollars a year so tucker when they can't pay they're out and our kids

00:04:18.040 are back in their destinies their lives restored at our great colleges in the legislature can you can

00:04:25.060 do that by executive order sure executive order oh that's clever um yeah because foreign students pay

00:04:31.040 full freight typically right and unless you're an illegal alien in which it's subsidized but but rich

00:04:36.720 foreigners send their kids to school in america and displace americans correct well i should say

00:04:41.840 they pay full freight relative in that moment to what the tuition is relative to the in-state student

00:04:46.860 but think about the in-state student 18 years old probably worked a job in florida right live their

00:04:52.160 whole life their parents lived their whole life there possibly so all of those taxes that they paid over

00:04:56.600 their 18 years their parents 45 years collectively built that university funded dormitories janitors

00:05:03.200 professors of course the chief dei officer right all of that was funded and so it is full freight in an

00:05:10.340 instantaneous sense but if you take a holistic view the kid who just got here from shenzhen who doesn't

00:05:16.740 know what a florida orange juice like none of that right can't possibly both in an economic sense but i

00:05:22.600 think i mean not to sound gay but in a spiritual sense yes you know like in a spiritual sense does

00:05:28.560 not represent our state and our heritage it's the opposite of gay actually uh no i agree with you

00:05:33.780 absolutely and completely and that's by the way how a civilization forms its culture is through

00:05:38.680 education right and you can't educate the world that's not your job and in fact it's counterproductive

00:05:43.200 yeah to having a distinct culture so that's what inspired you to get in i think that was the last

00:05:49.820 straw to tell you the truth because i met with a lot of college students in my life before this which

00:05:54.380 is to say four and a half weeks ago i've been running an investment firm called azoria that actually

00:05:59.960 launched at all places at mar-a-lago last december 2024 kevin roberts was there president trump

00:06:05.660 kathy wood and the firm was based on this idea that instead of channeling money into companies that

00:06:11.700 hate america why don't we channel money into companies that unapologetically stand for american

00:06:16.260 values right like meritocracy like colorblindness yeah so in 2025 i'm proud to say we channeled up to

00:06:21.820 40 million dollars of investor capital in companies that were doing the crazy thing of not hiring on

00:06:27.200 race and gender and hiring on skill and merit and my my company azoria it's actually it's etf got

00:06:34.460 delisted by our board of trustees they're supposed to be independent but it got delisted because we

00:06:39.360 submitted an amendment to them saying we wanted to now exclude companies that abuse the h1b program we

00:06:44.820 said look this abuse it is systematic it is systemic it's hurting american workers and we gave

00:06:49.940 them a five-page research paper that said it's actually hurting the bottom line of these companies

00:06:53.840 because they're bringing in cheap foreign slave labor that doesn't actually add to the synergy of

00:06:58.520 the company it leads to higher attrition it breaks down productivity etc and their response was

00:07:04.220 you're a racist and they delisted our fund and who did this the board of trustees of the title

00:07:10.600 financial group in october just nine days after saying hey here's our formal amendment to to broaden

00:07:17.040 the scope of our investment fund to not just exclude companies that are doing the dei stuff but actually

00:07:22.080 exclude companies that are doing something that's far more insidious which is you're a white guy no

00:07:26.760 you don't get a job we want an indian guy to do it for half the price right and and ethnic cartels

00:07:30.920 form within companies that hire within the ethnicity it's the opposite of what this country promises

00:07:36.160 right and they and they gaslight us and say all the white men hiring officers are only hiring white

00:07:40.780 men absolutely not that's a lie it's not a single hr manager it's just a white male country that led in

00:07:45.760 the rest of the world so clearly we know that's not true clearly yeah and and this it's all based on

00:07:50.060 the slanderous lie of systemic racism the only systemic racism in america is against white christian

00:07:55.760 men i'm aware that's interesting and it's interesting to hear you say that as a gubernatorial

00:08:00.880 candidate because even like six months ago hearing that from a aspiring politician would have been

00:08:06.400 totally shocking and it does seem like maybe because of you and people like you saying it more

00:08:11.940 just like who could disagree with that yeah i i think for me i was in a small town called frost

00:08:18.160 proof in southern polk county your viewers may know grady judd he's the most famous sheriff here in

00:08:22.040 i know grady judd yeah and so i was down in frost proof and this was a community that was teeming with

00:08:27.060 life just 15 20 years ago the peak of our citrus industry was the 2005 harvest 230 million boxes of

00:08:34.420 citrus this last season only 14 million and this was predominantly a white man's industry and when i

00:08:41.400 went there and i saw what used to be a small movie theater now a dollar general what used to be a

00:08:46.940 family-owned grocery store now some weird perverted liquor store when i see entire towns across my state

00:08:53.040 whether it's frost proof pokey bell glade canal point moorhaven i've seen it utterly hollowed out

00:08:58.200 and the primary victims of what is effectively this america last globalism that has prioritized

00:09:04.520 other nations and other corporations interest over our own people it really does hit hard that we have

00:09:10.620 been sold a bag of goods and the the biggest victims in all of it are actually predominantly white

00:09:16.040 men to be completely honest i mean the victimhood not to be a victim but the victimhood is very far

00:09:21.220 reaching but if you want to flip the caste system over you'd be hard-pressed to find someone more

00:09:26.260 oppressed in my state right now than a rural white christian man who relied on cattle on citrus on

00:09:33.580 manufacturing my own dad was a tree trimmer for 20 years the devastating haitian earthquake happened

00:09:39.780 in january of 2010 and then it was this brilliant idea from a guy named barack hussein obama to let 100

00:09:45.460 haitians who were here illegally just stay here and get work authorization now of course they can't become

00:09:50.100 sat tutors so what happens they do manual labor like tree trimming next thing you know my dad has

00:09:55.380 lost his business of 20 years through no fault of his own but because the open border legitimized that

00:10:00.720 labor and now i'm living on food stamps with my parents we're on the brink of bankruptcy thank god

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00:12:57.580 i can see why that radicalized you it radicalizes me just hearing it um what happened to citrus in

00:13:04.720 florida like the groves have been torn up it's gone it's dead it's dead greening i can't get a

00:13:10.240 straight answer on that exactly usda is part of it trade deals are part of it do you have any idea

00:13:16.880 what happened so it's not to sound vapid but it is a multifaceted issue the proximate cause was

00:13:24.400 greening that really hit 06 07 and just knocked citrus out i think greening the this quite

00:13:33.240 coincidentally from china of all places and not wuhan this time right but this infestation

00:13:41.040 that led to the premature falling of fruit of citrus fruit whether it's donaldson or orange tangela

00:13:48.320 whatever off these trees and you can't sell that fruit if it falls off yes early and so that's

00:13:55.140 obviously the proximate cause and i think it's again it's like most conservatives i'm not going

00:13:59.000 to sit here i mean just blame china for everything right i think the ultimate systemic cause is

00:14:03.780 democrats and dare i say republicans in tallahassee just stopped caring yeah i mean look this destroyed

00:14:11.440 an entire industry 220 million down to 14 million boxes entire communities decimated not just citrus

00:14:18.860 but all the little mom and pop businesses the diner the family-owned grocery store the little

00:14:24.080 movie theater downtown citrus was florida it was on the license plate it's still it well there's

00:14:27.700 nothing something else on license plate now as i think you know it's a foreign flag um i've also

00:14:31.640 said as florida governor there's going to be no foreign flags flown on our government buildings or

00:14:35.220 in our state license i want to ask you about that how did another country's flag wind up on your

00:14:38.960 license plate but i'll ask you in a second so sure but but citrus was at the very center of florida's

00:14:44.180 economy and its culture for 100 years 100 and i grew up in broward county which is obviously a very

00:14:49.940 urban place now but where i grew up in davie in west broward near the everglades we had citrus groves

00:14:54.920 out there when i was a kid and so you could quite literally go out to like a flamingo gardens and you

00:14:59.620 could smell you could smell that orange scent yes on a crisp it's a wonderful day and it is perhaps

00:15:07.780 the sickest analogy that yes in a proximate sense china caused this but much like covid tucker

00:15:15.200 it wasn't china it was the government apathy indifference and an intentional sabotage

00:15:21.380 hostility of our country against its own people so true look i'm not going to sit here and blame

00:15:25.340 xi jinping he's doing what he thinks is best for his country and that means screwing us over i guess

00:15:29.660 that's it but i can't sit here and say look the chinese are guilty of the fentanyl crisis these

00:15:34.420 precursors come from interior of china get shipped to mexico get pressed into fentanyl pills and sent

00:15:39.860 across the southern border but really it is our leaders that have the ultimate responsibility they're

00:15:45.060 the last line of defense so i think as republicans we need to grow up and stop blaming all of our

00:15:50.580 problems and embracing this left-wing victim culture and so look china this china that here's my solution

00:15:56.080 as florida governor any scientist in the world who wants to develop a strand of citrus that is

00:16:05.100 impervious to greening we're going to pay you one billion dollars cash if you can prove and we'll grow

00:16:13.660 it and we'll do it for 18 months if you take the best scientists in the world and they may be in iran

00:16:18.380 of all places it doesn't matter if there's a scientist or a group of scientists in the world who

00:16:22.840 want to step up and actually solve a problem that has torn asunder entire communities that's

00:16:28.160 unemployed men and women hollowed out entire towns across my state we're going to pay you a billion

00:16:33.280 dollars because what that industry represented that would merely be an investment in bringing back

00:16:38.320 the number one thing that put my state on the map no that is absolutely that is absolutely right and

00:16:44.480 they tore up the groves that took you know year takes years for an orange tree to go from seedling to

00:16:52.020 fruit bearing and they tore them up they tore them out of the ground they burned them correct it's

00:16:55.960 really uh a metaphor for so for so much so i want to ask about the foreign flag thing um i always admired

00:17:03.640 de santa certainly during covet i thought he was just a remarkable leader interviewed many times i know him

00:17:09.240 um and his wife and it was the foreign policy stuff that made me wonder like what is this and how

00:17:17.540 controlled is he by ken griffin and the rest of his donors and then he had this moment where he signed

00:17:23.280 a hate speech law yeah out of the country he flew to a foreign country israel to sign a hate speech law

00:17:30.100 for florida and i thought well this is obviously unconstitutional it's immoral but it's also part of an

00:17:35.740 elaborate humiliation ritual where you have to go not just like enslave your own people with a hate speech

00:17:40.900 law which that is it's slavery but you have to go kiss someone else's wall to show your obedience and i was

00:17:45.580 like i'm out like how did that happen well it started like most things terrible things start

00:17:50.840 here in florida with randy fine randy fine quite literally the genocide guy yeah the genocide guy

00:17:55.900 the starve away gaza kids guy i can't even believe he's real so what how did what did he have to do

00:18:01.500 so he introduced this law which effectively criminalized anti-semitism in florida now look

00:18:09.120 tucker i think you and i and your viewers recognize that any form of religious hatred

00:18:14.480 should be condemned unequivocally well of course yeah i have condemned it i've been condemned

00:18:18.860 anti-semitism i've condemned attacking people for being muslim with their kids for evil too right i was

00:18:24.380 called a jihadi for that i'm against all of it and i'm certainly opposed to the anti-christian hate

00:18:28.240 from which is perhaps the most virulent that's for sure so no i'm of course i'm totally i'm a christian

00:18:33.420 i'm opposed to that but you can't criminalize attitudes every person's free to have his own

00:18:38.140 attitudes ugly as they may be period correct and the issue is if you look at if you look at the

00:18:45.860 statutory definition of anti-semitism here in florida which is 10105 in our state statute

00:18:52.060 it actually says that criticizing the jewish state that would be israel holding them to a double standard

00:18:58.520 denying them their place on the world stage that's literally in state statute 1015 it's against

00:19:05.100 the law to criticize israel think about that so if you're a college student at fsu and you're having

00:19:10.500 an earnest good faith debate with someone who sympathizes with the israeli cause you with the

00:19:16.160 palestinian cause whatever the case is and one of you says netanyahu is a war criminal or israel is

00:19:21.500 committing genocide you could literally be punished and expelled from your taxpayer funded university

00:19:28.380 by that and that is that is messed up it is unconstitutional totally unamerican it's totally

00:19:34.680 unamerican and of course the republicans and democrats in tallahassee got along with it

00:19:39.140 because their donors wanted them to get along with it and so randy fine is the one who introduced that

00:19:44.920 introduced it and it was his idea to have it signed in israel

00:19:47.500 why would desantis who is smart if nothing not a warm person obviously but he's definitely not stupid

00:19:55.900 why would he go along with something like that it's a great question what you know i i hold the

00:20:00.060 governor to the incredible work that he did during covid me too education all of that i think that

00:20:06.400 what's quite telling just recent events is maybe you heard a foreign leader was here in florida last week

00:20:12.180 one benjamin netanyahu's fifth visit to the united states criminal he's a total criminal he's a depraved

00:20:17.700 little man to be completely honest and he was here and you know all of this ashley moody bernie

00:20:25.660 moreno all came down to meet with him the governor didn't governor desantis didn't but the lieutenant

00:20:30.560 governor jay collins did and so i think it's easy for us to go back and say you know why did the

00:20:35.180 governor do this that or the other several years ago but at this moment in time when the governor

00:20:39.640 had the opportunity to meet with netanyahu it seems like he deliberately chose not to which was an

00:20:44.960 absolutely wise decision but jay collins did meet with him which is actually rather interesting

00:20:49.100 because 40 hours before that meeting happened israeli media said that i am a quote threat that

00:20:55.540 i am a bigger threat to israel than donald trump's who who is i am you yeah how old are you i'm 31

00:21:04.040 well congratulations for being an existential threat to a nation state because you're running for governor

00:21:11.940 this is they really said that they said that and because i push out a policy that was actually quite

00:21:16.320 popular with almost everybody and it is the fact that florida lends israel 385 million dollars as we

00:21:26.880 sit here today and so what i said is at day one as governor executive order number two would be to

00:21:32.820 fully divest all foreign bonds of any country and there's only one country that we invest in abroad

00:21:38.760 are you serious israel 385 million dollars you know what really got them is i said i would then

00:21:45.460 take the 385 million and create a statewide down payment assistance program for young married couples

00:21:51.120 because we have to protect home ownership so young folks across our state can buy a place to live

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00:23:46.940 simply safe but what okay so now i'm even more confused i mean i'm in florida pretty regularly i was

00:23:53.780 not aware that the state of florida is an investor in israel a pension fund what why well don't what

00:24:01.620 does florida have to do with israel it's so far away so i actually was a government bond trader in a

00:24:07.280 different life which is say three or four years ago and so i traded government bonds and interest rate

00:24:12.100 futures and all of that stuff and so what happened was after the tragedy that was october 7th and

00:24:17.700 unequivocally was a tragedy of course it the florida state government state chief financial officer

00:24:25.460 jimmy patronus who's now in congress he announced that to stand with israel we were going to start

00:24:32.400 buying tens of millions which became hundreds of millions of dollars in israeli bonds this was a purely

00:24:39.140 political decision it wasn't a decision that says hey the the yield the rate of return on israeli debt

00:24:45.700 is actually quite high so we should buy some no it was to stand in solidarity with a foreign country

00:24:52.180 we are going to take taxpayer money money and lend it in the form of a sovereign government bond

00:24:57.620 purchase they weren't even hiding how nakedly political they were and just for a moment i just

00:25:02.560 want to but what about the the pensioners who rely on the returns of those bonds to like fund their

00:25:07.260 retirement or the people of florida don't they isn't their fiduciary duty of the legislature to like

00:25:12.380 look out for their interests or is it only about helping bb the latter truly i mean you're right

00:25:17.800 and by the way and i say this as someone who was a fiduciary as an investor yes think about it just

00:25:23.220 for a moment a country is going to war is currently being confronted by a soon-to-be nuclear power in

00:25:32.560 iran they say yeah is escalating tensions with all of its neighbors just objectively forget what country

00:25:38.600 that is and now you think it's a good time to compromise your fiduciary responsibility and buy

00:25:43.560 their government debt i mean like can you imagine someone saying that seems like a good long-term

00:25:48.540 investment right can you imagine someone saying like whoever they are and saying like

00:25:52.820 we just invaded iraq in 03 we should just stand with iraq and buy their bonds like forget who saddam

00:25:58.820 hussein was like why would it be a good idea to buy iraqi government bonds

00:26:03.120 right and by the way they don't offer a terrible amount of interest actually israeli bonds often

00:26:08.740 yield less than u.s treasuries no way yeah so it's not like they were yielding 20 and they were

00:26:14.080 actually an objectively good decision for our pensioners no it was a nakedly political position

00:26:19.280 without any risk reward it was all risk and no reward to appease the israeli government and don't

00:26:26.000 understand so the donors in florida so there are a lot of uh very rich very active donors in

00:26:32.800 florida um who support israel also why don't they send their money i don't understand like if you're

00:26:40.340 a billionaire why are you pressuring some poor low iq florida politician to spend taxpayer money

00:26:46.280 on a foreign country when you could just send your own money to the foreign country i actually think

00:26:50.360 it is sadistic i think so i think it's actually symbolic because you're right a large hedge fund in

00:26:57.440 miami or palm beach i mean it would be nothing to buy 380 million dollars of israeli bonds they could

00:27:02.160 have leverage i mean nothing it would be done in one day but it's the symbolism of the solidarity and

00:27:08.620 by the way the florida state pension framework prohibits all foreign government bond purchases

00:27:15.340 with one exception israel are you serious literally prohibited in their investment framework that you

00:27:22.100 cannot buy the bonds of any country luxembourg switzerland the uk and those actually may be good

00:27:28.040 investments but israel for in their own words to stand in solidarity with them after october 7th

00:27:34.680 we decided to send 385 million dollars and that's why as florida governor i'm going to divest that full

00:27:41.600 385 and then start a statewide with that money a statewide down payment assistance program because

00:27:47.580 right now you got young couples across the state who are renting they're staring down the prospect of

00:27:52.000 the 50-year mortgage they can't feel like they have any equity in the future 50-year mortgage

00:27:56.960 so that's the craziest thing i've ever heard that's the solution to the affordability crisis

00:28:00.700 you just turn everyone into a renter yeah it's usury it's just imposing usury on us

00:28:06.740 of course i knew the answer to my own question but it's just so grotesque it's hard to believe

00:28:12.180 that's real but i think this is the i think this is the frustration not with the president both a lot

00:28:17.160 of his advisors is there are real concerns about affordability in my state and number one is

00:28:23.460 home ownership right if you can't buy a home can you get married if you can't get married can you

00:28:28.320 have kids if you can't have kids then what on earth is the point tucker exactly right and so i think the

00:28:33.000 president instinctively recognizes that we have to solve this problem but the solution isn't to go from

00:28:38.160 30 years of debt slavery to 50 years so you can save a hundred dollars a month i mean my my dad and i did

00:28:43.940 the math and for the average home here in florida a 50-year mortgage would mean that if you paid

00:28:49.720 250 000 to the mortgage servicer you would own precisely 18 000 of equity in your home this is

00:28:58.880 literally what was called out biblically what we were warned yes it was that's correct and so we have

00:29:05.000 to be very honest about the system that they're creating you know i was kind of skeptical i think

00:29:09.080 in 15 and 16 when the world economic forum trotted out this the year is 2030 and you will own nothing

00:29:14.260 we are rapidly racing toward that of course today and if people are getting off on it and actually

00:29:20.960 like in a sexual sadistic way i totally agree that we are i think cucked to the point that we have to

00:29:26.800 bend over we can't own anything we can't have jobs in our country anymore and if we ask questions about

00:29:33.100 why we sent 385 million dollars if i stand up as a candidate for governor i am smeared by the effectively

00:29:39.520 the state media of israel and called a threat to their country well you are a threat actually

00:29:45.020 because for example i didn't know that i didn't know that the state of florida's pension fund had

00:29:53.140 invested 300 million dollars in israeli bonds you know the only country that the state's allowed to

00:30:00.740 buy bonds from and i mean i didn't know any of that so just saying that out loud is a massive threat i

00:30:06.960 think all of this stuff happens because people don't know what's happening and they're kind of

00:30:11.340 lulled like cattle into a trance don't you think that's right so uh so the genocide guy

00:30:19.780 is the one who came up with the hate speech law now was he a member of congress then state states

00:30:26.860 representatives state randy fine yeah state house um have you talked to him well he called me the other

00:30:32.800 day actually the genocide guy called the genocide guy called me he woke me up at like 7 7 a.m that's

00:30:38.420 never a good day he was when the genocide guy calls and wakes you up he was breathing rather heavily i

00:30:43.420 bet he was and i think he was in a car i heard some cheese it's rumbling around in the back seat

00:30:47.800 i know that sound tucker i know the difference between a cheese it and a pringle

00:30:51.420 but gosh so he calls me he says i hear you're running against byron and i said but that'd be byron

00:30:59.660 donalds that'd be byron donalds yes it goes with many names we have h1 byron apac shakur we can get

00:31:03.660 into that later but here you're running against byron donalds and i said yeah i'm thinking about

00:31:07.680 it i i respect him i'm thinking about it congressman and he says well you know you should

00:31:12.580 know that it's not very nice to byron if you did that i don't care what's nice to byron congressman

00:31:17.680 i'm fighting for my state my state is getting sold off in pieces by the property developers

00:31:22.980 it's getting sold off what were once citrus groves and cattle ranches are now going to be scam

00:31:27.500 altman's next ai data center that's not what we stand for here in florida and so for 42 minutes

00:31:33.120 he proceeds to call me out and i'm just listening i'm brushing my teeth i'm on mute i just let him

00:31:37.620 talk but it was very clear and this is before i had formally announced but it was publicly talked

00:31:44.080 about that i was seriously considering running that a sitting member of congress in washington dc at the

00:31:49.180 time was taking 42 minutes out of his day not to talk to a constituent about one of their needs

00:31:54.560 but to intimidate me into not challenging you think he was trying to intimidate you i think so

00:32:00.320 didn't work i mean if he laughs at the murder of children i i mean i guess i shouldn't be surprised

00:32:05.300 right wow does he have power in the state not really he has power in the sense that he's the only

00:32:14.360 he was the only jewish republican in in florida in the state house state senate he of course then when

00:32:20.820 when mike waltz got appointed to national security advisor did such a brilliant job there uh his seat

00:32:26.460 was vacant and then randy fine quickly moved into the district and decided to run for congress after

00:32:32.460 quite literally two months beforehand being elected to the state senate after having served in the state

00:32:37.500 house and that's why i'm proud to support my friend aaron baker who's now running against randy

00:32:42.400 fine primarying him so fine's not even from the district no he's not he's from brevard county down

00:32:47.280 melbourne how did he get the seat how did he win a lot of strings and of course you know the president

00:32:53.500 came in and endorsed him as well but a lot of very powerful people pulled strings and it's actually a

00:32:57.780 very deep red district that he only ended up winning by five points which just shows you how

00:33:01.480 deeply detested he is by the people of florida's sixth congressional district well yeah i mean members

00:33:08.040 of congress shouldn't endorse genocide or laugh at the murder of children no that's disqualifying right

00:33:12.600 quite literally starve away when there was an image this is july of 2025 an image of children

00:33:19.180 starving his answer was starve away a sitting member i called the speaker of the house when that

00:33:27.040 happened and i i don't get involved in anything really but i i said i don't know how you can have

00:33:31.440 this guy in the republican party i'm not going to vote for that i would never vote for a party that

00:33:35.700 endorses killing kids why would i do that i'm a human being but but george santos got some botox

00:33:40.940 and he gets expelled let me think about that for a second right no still starve away that's like

00:33:46.800 it's everything that we have to be against that's right and i think whichever side of that conflict

00:33:51.620 and i think most americans they resonate with the words of president trump is you want the killing to

00:33:56.180 stop whether it's a new queen russia israel it doesn't matter if i was a jewish israeli zionist i

00:34:02.700 would still feel that way you can't ever laugh at the death of children and it's nothing yeah that's

00:34:08.400 it's totally disqualifying to the point where he was literally disavowed by apac yeah literally

00:34:13.280 disavowed by takes a lot apac of all groups uh speaking of which miriam adelson has already

00:34:18.380 announced that she's funding a war chest against me told that to nbc news last month against you

00:34:23.640 against me called me out by name we're monitoring they did the meme tucker we're literally monitoring

00:34:27.960 the situation is what was said and uh miss adelson will be raising a war chest against mr fishback

00:34:33.900 miriam adelson is spending against you yes and she's backing byron byron and that's why you call

00:34:45.260 him apac shakur among other reasons it's the second the second part of it for other reasons

00:34:50.900 i wouldn't call but i wouldn't call randy apac shakur

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00:37:01.400 well his campaign called me racist not for that comment but because i called him a slave to his

00:37:06.380 donors yeah and i said with all due respect i'll stop calling you a slave if you give the money back

00:37:11.840 the 45 million dollars you gave to your donor that your donors gave you 45 million dollars five million

00:37:16.500 dollars in a primary that was uncontested until five weeks ago no way five million dollars in an

00:37:23.300 uncontested primary until five weeks ago until i entered and that was all to encourage him to make

00:37:27.380 florida better apparently and his idea of making florida better in his own words he wants to quote

00:37:32.760 speed up the construction of ai data centers his words he said in a private meeting with donors i have

00:37:40.540 a friend of mine who was there and he said what do you think about fishback's proposal to ban blackstone

00:37:45.480 from buying single family homes and forcing us to rent as opposed to own and what byron told the

00:37:50.080 donor in that meeting is that blackstone bailed the economy they saved us in the financial crisis

00:37:56.660 they deserve to be able to buy those homes that's capitalism that was his response and i say look

00:38:03.660 the goal here is we need to look out for our own people when a family of four is getting outbid by

00:38:09.020 1500 bucks by a private equity firm that's taken chinese money at the capital gains rate as opposed

00:38:14.260 to the rate that you and i pay and everyone else pays half they pay half the tax they have carried

00:38:18.840 interest 20 and he thinks that because of what blackstone did which they didn't actually do

00:38:26.060 what blackstone allegedly did in 2008 gives them cover to run roughshod over all of us and to take

00:38:34.160 homes from under our feet and this is not a hypothetical thing this is happening right now

00:38:38.100 byron said that byron said that to a donor because what i have said executive order number three is that

00:38:45.940 i would ban blackstone any private equity firm any airbnb speculator and any foreign national from buying a

00:38:53.600 single family home in this state of florida you don't get to have a right to our homes if you or

00:38:59.360 i were to go to canada right now and buy a single family home we would legally be prohibited from doing

00:39:04.120 so because say what you want about trudeau or carney i guess they got the memo that canadian that canada

00:39:09.520 is for canadians america's for americans and i don't think it's okay that a chinese national or

00:39:14.700 russian national or an israeli national can come here and outbid a family that's known this state for

00:39:19.480 two three generations and say you know what that home that you wanted to buy to get married to your

00:39:23.760 wife and to have three kids that's not available anymore because a foreign national wants to vacation

00:39:27.800 here for five weeks out of the year man you're spinning me up getting mad just hearing this um

00:39:35.700 what kind of reaction do you get when you say that very positive i'll tell you one yeah i bet you do

00:39:42.720 well i get a very positive reaction because i think and you've pointed this out i loved your speech at

00:39:46.960 amfest because you recognized that america first is not owned exclusively by any party of course not

00:39:53.600 in fact if you went out and polled that very question that framework that you put out which is

00:39:57.560 the american government should exclusively look out for the interests of its citizens 90 percent of not

00:40:04.300 just republicans of literally everyone would agree with that state yes and so what i was amazed by is

00:40:09.800 we had a meet and greet in tampa bay this past weekend and we had 50 or so people rsvp'd over

00:40:16.060 200 showed up and a dozen on their way out said i wasn't even a republican i'm an independent i'm a

00:40:22.320 democrat i am changing my party affiliation so i can vote for you in the primary because just like

00:40:27.720 south carolina you had paul on recently just like south carolina florida is a red state the next

00:40:33.480 governor mathematically will be a republican trump won the state by 13 ron de santis by 19 the next

00:40:40.000 governor is going to be republican the question is what kind of republican tucker

00:40:43.280 yeah i mean if it's the republican who laughs at dead children i'm not voting republican i'm not

00:40:50.780 going to ever vote for anyone like that anyone who's pro-death who's against human dignity for

00:40:56.440 hate speech laws who doesn't think that providing the next generation a chance to get married and have

00:41:03.540 kids and own a home if you're not on board with that then i have nothing in common with you yeah i don't

00:41:07.560 care what you call yourself that's right and i think this idea of the party labels has become a

00:41:12.680 hall of mirrors that's for sure right what you see isn't what you get i mean by the way byron

00:41:16.540 donalds as of right now still endorses randy fines re-election bid despite that star on and they tried

00:41:25.600 to cancel you for having a conversation with a certain someone he's literally endorsing a member

00:41:32.020 of congress who told innocent children who were literally starving on video to starve away that tells

00:41:38.140 you everything you need to know about my opponent byron donalds what i i know byron and i've always

00:41:44.200 gotten along with him he's super cheerful um i didn't realize is is he ideological i've never

00:41:49.800 detected that no that's why i call him a slave yeah what did and they called you a racist for that

00:41:56.680 they did which is actually quite interesting because i got a call from the foundational black american

00:42:01.400 society here in florida who reminded me that byron's mother is jamaican he is panamanian and

00:42:09.600 they found it quite insulting in their words that he would try to claim victimhood of slavery without a

00:42:13.860 single descendant of american slaves in his family i like those foundational guys they're so good

00:42:18.880 rick nasheed and all i mean i don't agree with everything but like i they've got a perspective if

00:42:23.240 your family's been here 400 years and the descendants of a lot of american slaves our families have been

00:42:29.000 here 400 years i don't know i think that gives i'll listen to you like you got you know you've

00:42:34.100 got a point of view that is legitimate i think yeah and they're they're unequivocally heritage

00:42:38.100 americans that's for sure 100 definitely heritage americans if anyone is and you know someone rolls

00:42:44.780 in from ghana and like you know gets an msnbc slot and starts telling you speaking on behalf of black

00:42:51.460 people it's like shut up honey you've got nothing to do with this right that's a fair perspective right i

00:42:55.900 think and so it's good to actually see them call them out for that that's actually cultural

00:42:59.520 appropriation appropriating a struggle of slavery i totally agree and the struggle of slavery was

00:43:04.180 real let's i mean i don't think republicans ever want to really whitewash that it's real right but

00:43:08.740 we're against slavery we're against it whether it's in the you know west bank or or here or anywhere

00:43:13.440 or anywhere yeah against it and so for byron's group his team to call me and essentially our

00:43:21.000 entire supporting base racists for saying that you're a slave when quite literally you took 45

00:43:26.960 million dollars you won't tell us what you agreed to to take that money this early in a primary which

00:43:31.340 is unprecedented you know this how unprecedented that kind of money is in an uncontested primary

00:43:35.280 until now but secondarily to actually go out and try to gaslight us and think that you're just one of

00:43:41.220 those guys that has been here you know since the early 1800s and your family was in the struggle too

00:43:46.240 you're not and that's a very interesting term that the foundational black americans use it's called

00:43:49.940 tether they're tethering these tethers like byron donald's they come here literally one generation

00:43:56.260 in and they try to just sit around and act so folksy that we're all part of the same struggle and

00:44:01.480 we're all down on our and we need to fight against no you just got here dude like the haitians like

00:44:06.580 the the guys from ghana who just got here you don't get to just be a part of our system and then

00:44:11.900 lecture us about how our country went wrong well and if you're a republican supposedly conservative

00:44:18.040 republican to throw around the term racist i mean that's what i personally i'll speak for myself i

00:44:23.100 voted against that in november last year right i don't like that style of non-argument just dismiss

00:44:28.780 someone off the top you're you're a bad person i don't have to respond to your specific charge

00:44:32.980 against me i i'm too old for that yeah i thought we were aren't we opposed to that identity politics

00:44:38.060 100 and i'll tell you the the identity politics of the right is probably the greatest it's ever been

00:44:45.900 but it's actually codified into law which is the scariest part i've noticed that right you know

00:44:50.980 say what you want but left-wing identity politics never criminalized being a racist to a black person

00:44:58.200 in that sense like there was never a hate speech law against which would have been unjust to call out

00:45:02.580 a black person or black culture anything right i think that's deplorable to single out any as a

00:45:07.600 christian i would right of course condemn that of course but it's interesting that there's only a

00:45:12.840 hate speech law for one particular foreign nation as opposed to anything i'm against them entirely

00:45:18.960 because they're blatantly unconstitutional they violate the first of course but it's interesting

00:45:23.380 that right-wing identity politics has gotten to this point where anti-semitic is just a term i mean

00:45:28.960 i was i got a call from the sun central auditorial board they were interviewing me the other day

00:45:32.840 and they said this is fascinating this is the paper of record in south florida my childhood paper

00:45:37.360 in fort lauderdale and they asked me why did you put out an anti-semitic proposal to divest the 385

00:45:44.600 million dollars so how is it anti-semitic to bring back money our money that was foolishly sent over

00:45:51.540 to not buy sovereign bonds like what which actually have a subpar return given the geopolitical risk

00:45:57.620 premium on offer in israel right now if we're going to be completely honest right what they

00:46:03.740 actually said that to you they actually said that and i just challenged the entire our bonds or you're

00:46:08.260 a nazi that's kind of the trade or you're a nazi and by the way think about this tucker this is so

00:46:13.900 bonkers i can't what's actually anti-semitic because this 385 million dollars statewide down

00:46:18.560 payment assistance program this would of course go to any florida resident who is young and married

00:46:22.640 so the ironic thing is that actually opposing it if anything would be anti-semitic because

00:46:27.460 they're going to be young jewish couples of course who are ready to buy a home start a family and live

00:46:32.520 out the american dream here in the sunshine state and so it's amazing that we've gotten to this point

00:46:36.760 of debate and discourse in america where the ad hominem attack precludes the debate from even

00:46:42.420 happening look you want to have an honest earnest debate about buying israeli bonds fine i welcome that

00:46:46.520 debate but don't sit here and call american citizens anti-semitic for opposing a third of a billion

00:46:51.720 dollars being shipped overseas to fund some stupid war i totally agree and it is kind of crazy if you

00:46:58.740 think about i've got nothing against miriam adelson personally i know her but i mean she's an israeli

00:47:04.580 and donald trump said in his remarks on television and the knesset to her you care about israel more than

00:47:11.000 the united states which is her right but how is she a huge player in my country not her country my

00:47:16.820 country's politics like how is that allowed if there was some chinese guy and he was pretty open

00:47:22.660 about caring a lot more about the ccp than he cares about the united states it would not be cool to take

00:47:29.500 money from him and that person would not be allowed to get on tv and be like i don't like what you're

00:47:32.900 saying about my actual country therefore i'm gonna drown you in gambling money from china yeah from

00:47:39.920 macau yeah yeah well can you imagine like the equivalent what is going on why is why do we

00:47:43.920 think this is normal talk about foreign interference in our elections but it's it's a two-tiered system

00:47:48.520 of foreign interference because remember jack ma from alibaba very well right can you imagine jack

00:47:52.560 ma was running around telling nbc news he was going to fund political candidates well exactly how

00:47:57.540 outraged he would literally get investigated by the doj on some made-up money laundering charge that is

00:48:02.600 right moved some comma the wrong way and it's suddenly wire fraud under the commerce clause

00:48:06.300 right but think about it can you imagine how repulsed we would all rightly be if jack ma or

00:48:13.320 some ukrainian or russian oligarch was openly flagrantly being involved in u.s politics

00:48:19.000 that's totally bonkers um so when you call has byron taken money from apac yes so that's why

00:48:28.620 apac shakur yes i just like i'm only factual with these things because it's very funny did that go over

00:48:34.060 well it went over very well it went over very well and people like it i think people want i don't try

00:48:41.340 to take myself too seriously and you know i think we're not allowed to we're not allowed to gen z was

00:48:48.060 such an important part of the president's victory last year yes and they feel betrayed by a lot of

00:48:54.060 these trump advisors and what they've chosen to prioritize and not i can see why and when i've met

00:49:00.340 them and i've met them where they are at their universities whether it's uf a couple weeks ago

00:49:04.940 i'll be at fsu and just a couple weeks from now their number one frustration is that look they don't

00:49:11.740 want to be lectured anymore they got a degree they got good grades they got good test scores they didn't

00:49:18.780 study gender studies or black intersectionality they did the stem thing that republicans told them to do

00:49:26.760 learn to code learn to code and now they say you know what amazon google fedex no no those jobs

00:49:32.960 aren't available for you you pesky americans you want paid time off you want to go to church on sunday

00:49:37.360 we're going to give those jobs to an entire new class of foreign serfs known as the indians and

00:49:42.120 the chinese and we're not going to even interview you for those positions they don't even pretend that

00:49:46.940 the chinese or the indians are smarter they're not they don't speak our language they have no skin

00:49:51.320 they're not smarter they're not at all oh i know and so the issue then becomes do we actually have

00:49:57.460 a labor market that is utterly rigged against american citizens the answer is yes and you know

00:50:03.480 that by virtue of the h1b program these tech companies it's not as if they've stopped hiring

00:50:08.280 generally they've stopped hiring americans because they can bring in all this cheap foreign labor

00:50:13.300 my belief is that a market-based wage is always going to attract the best labor i agree 100 that's

00:50:21.900 the promise of the market it is and i you know someone like ben shapiro to come out at amfest and

00:50:26.300 one of the side panels and he said i want white men to stop complaining and get off the couch because

00:50:31.160 there are jobs that are available no no no here's the truth ben when you say that you say the americans

00:50:38.100 won't work these jobs no ben shapiro they won't work these jobs at the slave sub-market wages that

00:50:44.780 you are offering them you offer someone here in my state an honest wage for an honest day's work

00:50:50.420 they'll take that every single time and they'll show up but they'll take off on sunday to praise our

00:50:54.560 christian lord it's funny to see um i never mentioned ben shapiro because i don't think about him very often

00:51:00.780 but on those moments where sort of you see what somebody really thinks just kind of if you talk long

00:51:07.580 enough you reveal what you really think it's always been my view ben shapiro's total disdain

00:51:13.440 and loathing for white christian men is every bit as real every bit as bristling with hostility as any

00:51:20.420 kind of college democratic socialist of america leftist yes it's exactly the same it's just like

00:51:27.800 he just hates them he hates them why so it's probably because i mean there's a lot of reasons but i think

00:51:36.580 that entire class of people doesn't have a real solution and in fact has profited on the demise

00:51:42.840 of exactly of all of this and you know it's not just young white men it's young black women who

00:51:48.260 literally studied engineering and said you know what i want to go get a job working on this bridge

00:51:54.500 you know that job that's not available for you anymore that job was given to an indian

00:51:58.080 and it's actually effectively dei for indians in the name of capitalism noticed yeah right and i think

00:52:05.200 this is a part of a bigger debate that's happening within the party this they call it a civil war i call

00:52:09.460 it a genuine good-spirited debate is if we are saying that we're principled conservatives then it

00:52:15.740 begs the question from where do we draw these principles exactly right is it from the american

00:52:20.380 enterprise institute is it from ronna mcdaniel's handbook on conservative principles

00:52:24.820 or is it from our christian bible yeah is it from our constitution our declaration of independence

00:52:30.800 the federalist papers and i think this idea of the free market i think the free market is a great

00:52:35.580 place to get to the destination but the destination is not a free market tucker we don't get to say here

00:52:40.700 and say well our people are suffering and they're unemployed and they're addicted to fentanyl and they

00:52:46.660 can't have kids and they can't own a home and there's 50 years of usury but you know what we got a free

00:52:50.920 market and we have the freest market in the world we have the freest market in the world no

00:52:54.780 if the goal was a free market tucker there'd be a slave auction happening outside right now of

00:52:58.860 course there's supply there's demand there's an equilibrium my view in the america first movement

00:53:03.660 is our north star should not be a free market but a free people and when i say free people i mean

00:53:08.620 american citizens i don't mean the h1bs i don't mean the haitians on tps and i sure as heck i sure as

00:53:14.620 heck don't mean any corporation that wants to come here and plant a flag and say that our goal is to

00:53:20.760 boost profit margins and stock price and all of a sudden all that matters is not whether you can

00:53:25.920 raise a family or buy a home but the gdp beat expectations on your bloomberg terminal that's

00:53:30.520 exactly right that's exactly right how did you can i say something because i know um to the extent

00:53:36.900 this will be seen and criticized i'm sure that people will say but this guy was in a sex scandal

00:53:43.080 and you didn't mention it i just want you i'm not asking you to respond to this i just want to tell you

00:53:46.320 my reasoning on it so the second you were deemed a threat they sent people out and tried to call

00:53:52.480 you a sex criminal um you've not been charged any sex crime that i know of and if you're a sex

00:53:57.480 criminal you know i hope you go to jail and if you're not i hope they stop saying it but a lot

00:54:02.420 of people are pushing that have no basis i just i don't want to you know attack anyone in particular

00:54:08.040 but it's pretty unbelievable that some of the people pushing that would accuse somebody else

00:54:12.540 of having an unorthodox sex life i think it's shocking actually given what i know so i hope

00:54:18.520 they'll stop doing that because they have no basis for doing that and that's why i'm not bringing it

00:54:22.040 up so i just want to say that well thank you talker sorry it makes me mad well that level of hypocrisy

00:54:27.400 is too much that's pharisee level hypocrisy you can't have that it it is and you know the truth is is

00:54:33.060 that unlike a certain someone who deleted social media recently because he couldn't take the heat

00:54:39.980 i recognize that my entire life is going to be blown open that there was a guy taking pictures

00:54:44.300 of me outside of my house the other day people taking videos of me at a bar it's going to happen

00:54:48.700 and i welcome it i welcome that i think if you're going to run the third largest state you're going

00:54:52.040 to control the life of effectively two and twenty three and a half million people here in florida

00:54:57.500 you should have to be an open book but on that particular point if you'll allow me just to

00:55:01.700 address it of course nowadays false accusations against men are all too common yeah those accusations

00:55:08.980 were brought before a judge in florida's second judicial circuit and after two lengthy hearings

00:55:14.660 i was fully exonerated so don't take my word for it there was seven hours of hearing time evidence

00:55:20.340 all of that and a judge said you know what not credible no evidence to support it mr fishback i

00:55:26.380 apologize effectively and you're exonerated and so i think the silver lining to this particular

00:55:32.180 attack against me is that it's already gone through due process and the fact that it's coming out now i

00:55:37.140 think shows that our campaign our vision is a real threat to the deep establishment interests that

00:55:41.940 have hijacked our state but of all things to hit you on by those people it's uh it's a it you know

00:55:48.740 that enraged me like if you're going to accuse someone else of having a weird sex life you better

00:55:53.860 have a pretty normal sex life and if you don't you shouldn't do that that's really uh too much

00:55:59.860 hypocrisy for me so um the other attack that i have seen against you is that your views have changed

00:56:05.260 yeah and the response i have seen for me was oh yeah they have so which is a great response i think

00:56:11.340 um my my views have changed completely so i'm i'm with you yeah tell me how your views and why your

00:56:16.560 views changed well i would start on this issue of the economy first and foremost because i dropped out

00:56:25.300 of college in 2015 to start a hedge fund and i did that for five years really yeah good for you so i was a

00:56:33.500 macro trader which meant that i was always fascinated with geopolitics i was a high school

00:56:37.900 debate kid for four years it changed my life i had a stutter i wasn't as confident speaking publicly

00:56:42.600 and turns out going to a high school debate tournament every other weekend for four years

00:56:45.720 we'll turn that around pretty quickly yes first tournament by the way was at marjory stoneman

00:56:50.200 douglas high school in parkland no way 2009 where we actually debated an assault weapons ban

00:56:56.460 an assault weapons ban that's wild um but yeah group in broward county and my my career has been

00:57:04.680 as an investor looking at the world as a macro investor saying how is the fed going to screw

00:57:09.680 this up next right looking at what happened with covid the supply chain the supply chain lockdowns

00:57:17.000 the massive fiscal transfers the stimulus that was going into the economy oftentimes to the lowest

00:57:22.060 income folks which had the highest propensity to spend that was clearly going to cause inflation

00:57:26.260 alongside the money printing from the fed upwards of five trillion dollars and so those are types

00:57:31.260 of trades that i put on as an investor and so i really viewed a lot of this world from quite

00:57:36.920 literally the perch of a bloomberg terminal so when i was saying looking at gdp expectations on a bloomberg

00:57:41.540 that was me for 10 years i spent a lot more time on the ground i started a non-profit called incubate

00:57:47.420 debate to offer free high school debate leagues all across my state from pensacola to miami and when

00:57:53.540 i really got to travel these hollowed out places that were once teeming with life booming with industry

00:57:59.360 i saw how detached that world was from this bloomberg terminal where i had seen gdp and inflation and

00:58:06.300 consumer spending yes and said you know i respect president trump but when i hear about another trillion

00:58:14.100 dollars coming in from nvidia i guess the obvious question is how does that help a single dad who

00:58:19.160 lost his job five years ago and hasn't been able to get back on his feet what are we optimizing for

00:58:23.800 is the goal gdp or is the goal as i think my friend nathan hoblestott from from newfounding says

00:58:29.840 is the goal the i think the ultimate economic statistic these days which is what percentage of 30 year

00:58:34.900 old men own their home and are married if you think about your entire economic policy framework around

00:58:42.120 that question and i do right and so if the question is will we build this ai data center i don't know

00:58:48.360 does it help 30 year old men get married or buy their home the answer would obviously be no because

00:58:54.140 it employs 50 people who are all foreign laborers for the most part that doesn't help but if we're

00:59:00.240 going to revitalize citrus here in florida if we're going to actually build out local businesses and help

00:59:06.880 people get on their feet and create local great paying jobs and end the h1b scam and ban blackstone

00:59:11.640 if we focus on those economic policies with the end goal being 30 year old men are more likely on

00:59:18.140 the margin to buy a home and get married as a result of this policy then sign me up and so my distortion

00:59:24.200 was look i spent much of my 20s going to events by the brookings institution yeah and ai and heritage and

00:59:29.860 and learning about the economy through that vantage point and so guilty as charged i think my views

00:59:35.500 really i voted for trump proudly in 2016 i've always been a republican for whatever that's worth

00:59:40.680 quite literally since since high school when i registered to vote in junior high school didn't

00:59:44.840 vote junior high school i don't want anyone to think i'm committing voter fraud but you're not the only

00:59:49.340 one but my views i think if i were to give one reason i think x and everyone talks about x but i want to

01:00:00.500 talk about in a very specific way to my life i think it's hard to watch something and get really

01:00:05.680 red pilled or nationalist pilled i think you have to have a steady stream of objective factual

01:00:11.340 information yeah for me and my grandma that was your monologues in 2020 quite literally and we bonded

01:00:17.420 over those um for me the last year or so it's been following af post this x account that just puts

01:00:23.520 out 30 40 posts a day kind of punchy kind of funny but really factually grounded news about what's

01:00:28.600 happening whether it's a company announcing h1b hires and they editorialize in the sense that

01:00:33.240 if amazon announces that they're laying off 30 000 people they won't just print that headline like the

01:00:38.800 wall street journal editorial board will those globalist shills they will print that headline but

01:00:43.280 also contextualize it by saying that amazon also just brought on 10 000 h1bs so they have no issue

01:00:49.560 firing our people but they will bring on foreign labor and not apologize for it and so when accounts

01:00:57.260 like af post actually give us the full context around something which the new york times the

01:01:00.740 wall street journal would never do i really appreciate that i think for me on on the issue

01:01:09.040 which i get the biggest pushback on is israel right how you you wrote for barry weiss you wrote for the

01:01:14.420 free press i wrote an article about high school debate going woke in 2023 which i'm really proud of

01:01:19.120 it was the basis for my non-profit really growing to the next level because there were quite literally

01:01:24.860 high school debate tournaments that were taxpayer funded here in florida they were told a young

01:01:28.640 black girl before a speech about president biden's foreign policy track record that if she mentioned

01:01:33.180 donald trump's name she would be disqualified in a public school we had we had one judge in writing

01:01:40.220 saying in writing tucker i am a marxist leninist maoist and if you criticize any of the following

01:01:49.580 subjects you were automatically disqualified one judge went so far as to say again in writing not

01:01:55.380 hearsay literally in writing they felt comfortable writing that yeah which tells you everything about

01:01:59.280 the world of high school debate and academia but it's really personal to me because high school

01:02:02.520 debate changed my life and it always was a marketplace of ideas until this guy named trump

01:02:05.920 came down the escalator one judge said if we're debating immigration and you refer to them

01:02:11.500 as illegal i will end the debate give you the loss and lecture you lecture you because i will not

01:02:18.020 have you making the debate space unsafe and so you know i cold emailed cold called a barry weiss

01:02:27.420 because i knew the free press was kind of in this business of publishing edgy pieces about how

01:02:31.780 institutions had been hijacked and this was in 2023 and i said hey i have this crazy story i'm a

01:02:36.740 former high school debate champion i have this crazy story about how high school debate has gone woke and

01:02:40.800 my solution to it which is my non-profit and she published it and it went bonkers and so i think people

01:02:45.700 are looking at that and saying well you're aligned with barry weiss and i think to their to their

01:02:49.680 credit to that thing i did put out a post when her book came out about anti-semitism because after

01:02:55.020 october 7th i think like a lot of people i saw what was happening on college campuses and said that's

01:02:59.580 wrong not because it was exclusively focused on jewish students but any black lesbian with red hair

01:03:05.100 running into a math class saying like free palestine and white men need to apologize for the alleged

01:03:10.100 sins of their ancestors that's wrong i guess i was led to believe that that was all part of this

01:03:14.520 anti-semitism thing i called it out thinking it was anti-semitism but really it was anti-americanism

01:03:20.320 it was anti-christianism well that's for sure and my views on israel changed in for two reasons i was

01:03:27.340 invited on one of these paid trips to israel as a young business professional and i very quickly found

01:03:31.880 out what it was it was a propaganda trip and what i was told that i couldn't go certain places on my

01:03:37.260 owner had to follow a very simple script when i left about what i would be i'd have to clear my

01:03:43.120 experiences to share them online yeah and i said i'm not doing that i'm not i'm happy to go to a

01:03:48.540 foreign country but i'm not doing it on your dime and have to pare it out some script that was approved

01:03:53.220 by apac that was the first straw where i kind of became a little bit more skeptical but there was

01:03:57.780 this young man named muhammad ibrahim he's a 16 year old kid from right here in florida and he went to

01:04:04.860 visit family in the west bank last february and he was accused without any evidence of throwing a rock

01:04:12.340 at an idf vehicle didn't hurt anybody but he was accused of it so as a result of that accusation he

01:04:17.900 was put in an israeli military prison without any due process no trial for eight months he lost 27

01:04:23.660 pounds and contracted scabies and i committed the capital crime wait wait is he is he an american

01:04:29.460 citizen yes how can they how can a proxy state that we pay for imprison an american citizen without

01:04:38.040 due process for eight months it's a great question and you know to the folks on the other side i would

01:04:44.140 say i'm going to hold israel to the same standard you want me to hold israel to that you say they're

01:04:47.520 the only democracy in the middle east well democracies are underpinned by a basic adherence

01:04:51.480 to the rule of law and you don't get to take anyone but least of all our citizens and

01:04:56.460 who are teenagers and imprison them for eight months and then randy fine that was half of the

01:05:01.140 point of his call was to call me anti-somatic he said well you didn't tweet about the hostages

01:05:05.460 enough and i said randy what would have been the correct number of tweets on the hostages that

01:05:09.360 have given me license to talk about this young american citizen but because he's a muslim because

01:05:14.880 he's a muslim to them he is a second class citizen i said look i don't care what he is he's an american

01:05:21.060 citizen he grew up two and a half hours from where i did i went and met with the family and i put

01:05:26.380 out a video that i actually texted the president directly and i said we have to do something about

01:05:31.620 this yeah um one of the principles i'll never give up is you shouldn't be allowed to come here and

01:05:39.100 import your disgusting little ethnic conflicts into my country and make them the focus of my foreign

01:05:43.860 policy and i would say that to any any any immigrant cuba venezuela israel doesn't matter

01:05:49.220 you may have had a thousand year war with some other tribe but that's not our problem and we don't do

01:05:54.880 that here and um and i think the muslim hate muslim you know that's but even within what that's about

01:06:03.040 exactly and my dad showed me a video while we were on the way over here of a black pastor who i think

01:06:09.440 rightly focused on the one nation under god and our pledge of allegiance yeah and you think about that

01:06:15.940 for a moment if you come here and to truly pledge your allegiance to our flag it means you are committing

01:06:23.140 to the one singular nation of course not to import a generational multi-generational feud between

01:06:32.460 different nations so when you come here whether you're jewish muslim doesn't matter and you say

01:06:37.580 and you stand for that pledge and it's sad that we don't do that in our schools anymore i'll change

01:06:42.760 that as governor as well that it is a basic precondition that if you go to a public school

01:06:47.780 that you do attest that we are one nation under god that's not really debatable and so i think it's

01:06:54.500 important because if you've got different the haitians and the dominicans hate each other for

01:06:58.680 some reason there's a feud going on with different muslim groups and this and all of that and i say

01:07:04.080 look if you're going to come here at a at a minimum you have to commit to the whole one nation thing

01:07:09.820 at an absolute minimum and i can't think of a better way and maybe that's why there's this

01:07:15.000 this insistence this reluctance they're so loath to actually stand for our pledge i always thought

01:07:21.820 of it tucker as they were trying to be righteous and it's kind of like their version of bending the

01:07:25.980 knee no right it's they actually don't believe in what the pledge at all at all it's not like well

01:07:31.800 we don't want to be compelled into something or we don't believe in chauvinism or or whatever

01:07:36.140 it is quite literally they don't adhere to what the pledge represents principally one nation one and

01:07:45.080 i don't care what that nation you came from is when you come here and you stand for that pledge

01:07:49.820 you must adhere to that principle whether that nation you left was israel you don't get to serve in a

01:07:53.760 foreign military you don't get to have dual citizenship you don't get to advocate for another

01:07:58.260 country's interests over ours like these are not crazy ideas these are like any nation would enforce

01:08:05.180 those ideas right because they're 100 and just go to south america imagine you know my mom's from

01:08:10.620 columbia and i spent summers going there i don't of course consider myself columbian i'm a proud american

01:08:17.900 my mom is as well but can you like going to a columbian just even something as innocuous as a

01:08:25.280 they call it football but a soccer game can you imagine going to a columbian soccer game

01:08:29.820 and not standing for the national anthem and like whether you disagree with what was going on

01:08:37.440 right right with some supreme court decision or whether you had a different view of a board or

01:08:42.900 whatever like to not stand for our national anthem to to affirm the very ideals that set this country

01:08:50.340 into motion is to hold the most vile form of contempt for this nation and her people exactly

01:08:56.880 damn i can see why they hate you um so can you win part of my ignorance i mean i just i florida

01:09:05.680 politics is so corrupt that i just try and stay far away from it but what do you think i think so

01:09:11.820 i really do so i think i probably shouldn't share inside baseball but let me let me do that

01:09:17.060 i think what has to happen very simply is i'm not going to out raise him i'm not going to outspend

01:09:22.880 him but you know what neither did trump to kamala neither did trump to hillary no true and so i think

01:09:29.720 this is going to ultimately we are in an attention economy and the attention is going to go to the

01:09:34.080 person who can connect and show up and earn the trust of voters you don't get to earn the trust of

01:09:39.860 voters in that fox news studio in washington dc oh no byron donald's is in dc four days out of a week

01:09:45.340 this is my state i live here my my dad grew up here my grandfather taught here my great

01:09:50.540 grandfather ran a hotel on fort lauderdale beach here this is my home and i'm not going to let it

01:09:55.500 be stolen from anyone least of all byron donald's and his donors and so what i've already announced

01:10:00.780 tucker is that over the next three months i'm going to visit all 67 counties in just five weeks

01:10:05.640 i've visited 12 i'll visit every single state college and proud to break the news here i'm doing

01:10:11.000 a statewide waffle house tour this is the staple of florida i'm going to every single waffle house

01:10:16.280 to meet voters where they are they deserve to see a governor hands-on to ask him questions heck if

01:10:21.380 they want to yell at me debate with me that's fine i am never never going to shy away from the people

01:10:26.360 that i'm asking to hire me fat i just get the bacon i get a bacon and a large coke good call good call

01:10:34.800 i remember jeb bush when he ran in 2016 i traveled with him for a while he was going no carb and he

01:10:40.320 lost at the end of course in i think south carolina and we were in a diner together in south carolina and

01:10:45.720 he whatever his many faults he could be kind of funny and he's like no i'm i'm getting the blu-ray

01:10:50.680 pancakes i don't care it's over and it just immediately excuse me um so you think

01:10:57.700 your money's going to come from where small dollar donors yeah you're going to need it because i mean

01:11:03.480 you haven't said a single thing that it's going to attract ken griffin to your campaign

01:11:06.660 fair i think so yeah look i i think that i'm i'm always meeting open to meeting with donors but it's

01:11:14.300 on the basic precondition that you are donating in the to the campaign that already exists there's no

01:11:18.860 influence on the campaign whatsoever and i would invite people to hold my feet to the fire on that

01:11:24.760 one i think the biggest thing though is if you just look at what the turning point has been for

01:11:32.320 florida politics we had an ag commissioner here in 2018 named adam putnam he was the establishment

01:11:37.720 darling a very good guy yeah i remember him well his family's been here for a very very long time

01:11:42.980 well respected family here in florida and then this guy named ron desantis comes on the scene

01:11:48.100 and there's a lot of twists and turns but that election in 2018 was really decided by the fox news

01:11:56.760 primary debate in the summer of 2018 where it was ron and adam on stage for an hour and a half

01:12:04.120 unfiltered no handlers no donors just two and a half million voters watching at home i think if you

01:12:11.140 put me on that debate stage and i'll be in this race all the way to the end when we get to that

01:12:15.480 debate stage i will end byron donald's career and i will show that my vision for my state that i've known

01:12:20.820 for four generations our family has known is the right vision i view this as a fork in the road

01:12:25.160 do you want old florida or do you want new florida if you want ai data centers if you want what byron

01:12:30.040 donald says which is he wants to make florida the financial capital of the world if you want that

01:12:34.060 that's the new florida vision but if you like our state just the way she is if you want to go back to

01:12:38.480 the way things were 10 15 years ago cattle citrus space ag if you want to end the overdevelopment that

01:12:44.260 has destroyed our communities pull back the sprawl i'm running for governor and i'd be honored to have your vote

01:12:49.800 you really think he's going to debate you i think he has to really i think he has to what about this

01:12:56.400 so there's a lieutenant governor i didn't even know he existed until i saw a clip from him that was so

01:13:01.460 over the top his name is jay collins i think it was so shocking that i sent it to someone who works

01:13:07.480 here and say is this ai this can't be real and he was basically saying you don't have the right to

01:13:12.560 criticize israel yeah like free speech does not exist in the united states was that real it was real

01:13:18.160 who is that guy he's the newly appointed lieutenant governor has been on the job for about four and a

01:13:22.860 half months am i misstating what he said no he he quite literally started off by saying you do not

01:13:28.380 have a right to hurt people with your words which is almost like a true or false question in fifth

01:13:34.420 grade civics about the first amendment well but it's also like the most left-wing thing you could

01:13:38.400 ever say it's like the mpcs the people i spent my entire 15 years at fox railing against these

01:13:44.060 sensitive people who want to claim that words are violence stochastic violence or whatever i mean

01:13:50.140 this was like that's the whole ideology of the left i can't believe this guy's a he's real republican

01:13:55.480 so-called he is what they call the transgender republicans they identify as such but they're not

01:14:01.560 really and when someone actually goes out there and says you don't have a right to hurt people with

01:14:06.140 your words i mean timmy timmy true or false does the first amendment give you a right to hurt people

01:14:12.740 with if you failed that in fifth grade civics they would hold you back a year as governor i would

01:14:16.540 hold anybody back who failed that question you know it was funny he put out a a comment about

01:14:21.000 venezuela maduro he was very critical of maduro as i think a lot of people should be yeah yeah for

01:14:25.520 what he's done to the country but i i responded and i think proudly ratioed him i said with all due

01:14:30.400 respect lieutenant governor collins i'm formally filing a complaint with the office of hate crime speech

01:14:35.040 for insulting maduro with your harmful words right and that's what it's come to and so when you ask

01:14:41.540 yourself what what vision for the republican party do we want i actually think everyone's talking

01:14:47.200 about 2028 2026 here in florida we are the formidable republican i agree with that i agree

01:14:52.780 with that this is going to be the proxy for what the party looks like and i don't pretend to know

01:14:56.180 what the party's going to look like in 28 but if you've got me on the ballot byron donald's on the

01:15:01.260 ballot jay collins i don't know what he's going to do okay so lieutenant governor hasn't decided he

01:15:04.740 hasn't decided what he wants to do he's still checking with his wife apparently okay literally that's

01:15:07.940 what he said he just keeps checking with his wife actually actually yeah and so this is a guy not to

01:15:12.800 go on a big tangent but this is a guy who actually reached out to my own uncle like my actual uncle

01:15:16.980 like my my dad's over there my father's brother and tried to convince him to get me to drop out

01:15:22.660 and so my uncle was calling me all of a sudden on a saturday he hasn't spoken to me in a while

01:15:26.880 for an hour and a half on the phone saying jay collins this jay collins that it's weird but the

01:15:31.700 governor our governor ron de santis is not endorsing jay collins he's certainly not endorsing

01:15:35.860 byron donald's and this is a wide open race as far as i'm concerned may the best person win

01:15:40.760 and the best person tucker is not the person who looks best on fox although i don't think byron

01:15:45.700 looks all that good on fox you're not getting invited on fox i'm just telling you that right now

01:15:48.920 sorry they're not having you well thank you for having me here today of course no i work there i

01:15:54.740 know they are not inviting you on fox but i think if you look at and on the way over here we stopped at

01:16:00.840 chipotle we call it chapotle in our family because we like to be funny that's the spirit

01:16:05.440 we say we go to chapotle and we say can i have the polo bull with the fugitis

01:16:08.320 but i was in chapotle and a young man by the name of aiden he's 22 years old he works for charlotte

01:16:15.320 county in the maintenance division and he comes up to me says are you james fishbeck and i said

01:16:20.700 yeah i've never voted in any election not even in a primary you have my vote i'm switching over

01:16:27.560 to the republican party to vote for you on august 18th i think and i don't want to take credit for

01:16:32.460 our vision it's a vision that's been honestly i've watched a lot of your stuff read a lot of what's

01:16:36.540 happened in this space it's one that i believe in i believe it's the only way forward for my state

01:16:41.660 and i think there's a real hunger because with whatever you want to say about byron donald

01:16:46.500 establishment money even the polls that have come out about him they still show 54 roughly of the

01:16:53.880 electorate still undecided and this is a guy who's been in the race now for 11 months who's

01:16:58.440 got 45 million dollars who's on fox news three times a week regards hitting the same gop slop

01:17:03.240 and he still has half of the electorate undecided about whether to vote for him so i'm in this race

01:17:08.580 because i think my state needs someone to step up and i want to earn people's support and being

01:17:13.220 able to do when is the primary august 18th it's a closed primary so the cool thing about this is you

01:17:17.940 got until july 20th if you're an independent you used to be a republican if you're one of the

01:17:21.280 dixie democrats we've got all over the state who may have voted republican recently but hasn't

01:17:26.440 changed their party affiliation you can do that online for free at the florida dmv website just

01:17:30.460 google change voter registration in florida it takes you five minutes that now gives you the ability to

01:17:35.600 show up on august 18th because you know this tucker this is a red state through and through we

01:17:39.360 haven't had a democrat governor in 30 years we may never have one again and so the election if you

01:17:43.820 wait till november you're literally allowing the system to disenfranchise totally right if if i think

01:17:48.320 if we lived in new york city we'd probably be registered democrats because you otherwise would

01:17:53.380 not have a vote dc for my whole life i was always a registered democrat because i wanted to vote for

01:17:57.380 the least crazy democrat in the primary because i lived there it mattered to me and so my pitch to

01:18:03.160 to a public school teacher is we may not agree on everything but if you want someone who's going to

01:18:08.820 fight for the dignity of american citizens someone's going to make your job easier as a teacher when we

01:18:12.540 have 1.4 million illegals in our state many of whom all of whom have children enrolled in our public

01:18:18.200 schools met with a teacher a couple weeks ago in southwest florida not too far from here and she

01:18:23.340 broke down crying because her ninth grade class had 20 students seven of whom did not speak english

01:18:30.040 they're illegals and so executive order number four is to remove all illegal immigrant children from

01:18:37.740 our school i had someone ask me recently isn't that cruel and i said no ma'am what's cruel is to

01:18:44.140 force american citizens to dilute their education to take attention away from a teacher who has the

01:18:50.300 second lowest teacher pay on average in any part of the country and say you have to teach half your

01:18:55.540 class in english and the other half in broken creole or spanish for people who just got here that's

01:19:02.280 what's cruel it is cruel that is what is vile and actually it's weird because the supreme court in

01:19:08.200 1982 found in pleiler v do rather disastrously that illegal immigrant children actually have a 14th

01:19:14.140 amendment constitutional right to attend public school and so i would proudly as mississippi did

01:19:19.600 challenge roe v wade i would proudly as governor pass an executive order to challenge that decision and

01:19:24.740 i know we would win in the supreme court whether it be five four or six three would depend on how she's

01:19:29.240 feeling that day though james fishback that was great that was great and godspeed thank you thanks

The Tucker Carlson Show - January 09, 2026

James Fishback on DeSantis’s Attack on Free Speech, Randy Fine’s Bloodlust, & America Last Globalism

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