The Tucker Carlson Show - Jeffrey Sachs on Netanyahu’s Struggle to Keep Control of the World’s Most Bloodthirsty Ethnostate

00:00:00.880 Well, it's election season, and by the way, not just here in the United States, where

00:00:05.180 in six days we've got the fabled midterm elections, but also internationally, there are important

00:00:09.660 elections around the world this month.

00:00:12.740 And if you're tuned into the news, if you're a good citizen, you're paying attention to

00:00:16.780 the rest of the world, you already knew that.

00:00:18.300 You may have been following the elections in, I don't know, Bosnia, or Bulgaria, or

00:00:23.080 the Czech Republic, or Canada, which had elections this month, this month.

00:00:28.520 And the elections in Canada really matter, of course, because Canada is our neighbor.

00:00:33.000 We share the longest international border in the world with Canada, 5,500 miles.

00:00:39.460 It's our second largest trading partner after Mexico, our other neighbor.

00:00:43.500 We do twice as much trade with Canada as we do with China.

00:00:47.220 Did you know that?

00:00:48.020 Probably not.

00:00:49.140 Did you know they had elections this month?

00:00:50.780 Probably not.

00:00:52.220 Because while the Canadian-U.S. relationship is critical to the United States, by definition,

00:00:57.600 almost nobody in the united states pays attention to it very much including our leaders and the

00:01:03.220 media class that do their bidding so there's like no coverage of canada whatsoever so if there was

00:01:08.660 one foreign election you likely heard about this month in fact this week it was a parliamentary

00:01:15.900 election in israel which is very far away farther from here than well bosnia certainly farther than

00:01:23.120 canada and much smaller it's a country of fewer than 10 million people with whom we do very little

00:01:29.460 trade really we give them a lot of stuff but there's not really a meaningful trade relationship

00:01:34.440 there if all trade ended with israel tomorrow it would be a net benefit to american gdp so

00:01:41.200 it's not like it's a critical relationship objectively if you're studying statecraft

00:01:46.840 and the balance of power internationally israel would really probably be at the end of the

00:01:50.600 semester because it doesn't really matter. But it matters a great deal to the American media

00:01:55.240 for whatever reason. And so the coverage of the Israeli election in the U.S. this week was quite

00:02:00.580 intense. And in some of that coverage, you'll notice really an emotional intensity, an investment

00:02:07.300 that goes beyond mere journalism and suggests that the people following the Israeli election

00:02:11.860 are deeply vested in the results, maybe in an almost unhealthy way. Watch Fox News host

00:02:19.860 Mark Levin talk about the Israeli elections. And one of the most revealing clips we've seen

00:02:23.820 in quite some time. This is Mark Levin from yesterday. To my fellow patriots in Israel,

00:02:29.060 to the right wing, to Likud and the other coalition parties,

00:02:33.700 if you do not get out and vote right now, you're going to lose your country. 0.88

00:02:39.240 You're going to lose your country to leftists, to self-promoters, to Arabs who hate your country, 1.00

00:02:47.920 want a palestinian state want to undermine your defense what a complete and utter disaster 1.00

00:02:54.160 you stand between all of that that tyranny and the great nation of israel so there are a couple 0.97

00:03:01.900 things to notice one here you have a fox news host weighing in in great and passionate detail

00:03:07.540 on an election in a foreign country as a partisan to the people of israel to my fellow patriots in

00:03:14.000 Israel, he says. So leaving aside the red hot question of dual loyalty, what is that? Have you

00:03:22.480 ever been so exercised about somebody else's election? We hope not. And if you ever find

00:03:27.920 yourself getting that exercise about somebody else's election, you probably should move there

00:03:31.320 and vote in it and stay there because that's the country you care about most. That's clear the

00:03:35.720 country that Mark Levin cares about most. But the second thing that you notice was a word that he

00:03:40.480 used that kind of invalidates a lot of the arguments he's been making for the past 30 years,

00:03:44.540 he and the rest of the Israeli lobby in the United States. And the word he used was Arabs.

00:03:48.980 You have to vote, he told his fellow patriots in Israel, because if you don't, the Arabs will take 0.99

00:03:54.980 over and destroy your country. Now, which Arabs is he talking about? The Arabs that live in the 0.99

00:03:59.560 surrounding countries around Israel that threaten its existence? The Arabs that cause the rest of 1.00

00:04:05.900 us to have to affirm our undying support for Israel's right to exist because it's a tiny

00:04:10.340 nation surrounded by enemies, we have been told for 60 years? No. He's not talking about Hamas.

00:04:18.920 He's talking about Arabs, Arabs who live within Israel and who are Israeli citizens. He's talking

00:04:26.460 about the people who've been there longer than any of Mark Levin's friends by far. In fact, since

00:04:31.560 the beginning of recorded history he's talking about the indigenous population of the country

00:04:37.600 of israel and not just the indigenous population of the is of israel not greater israel we're not

00:04:44.200 talking about the poor benighted people in gaza or the west bank or even east jerusalem we're

00:04:50.420 talking about like just normal israeli citizens who we have been told for lo these many decades

00:04:57.460 are participants in Israel's democracy, because in case you haven't heard, Israel is not simply a

00:05:03.620 democracy, but the only democracy in the Middle East. And that's why the United States has a

00:05:09.080 moral obligation to stand with Israel. And that's why our politicians sign its bombs, which we 0.66

00:05:15.300 provide and they use against the Arabs outside their borders who are threatening Israel's 1.00

00:05:20.940 democracy. Once again, the only democracy in the Middle East. So let's just restate what democracy 0.94

00:05:26.980 is because it might be helpful as a reference point here. Democracy is a system of government

00:05:30.940 in which the citizens of the country own the country and the government exists only to do

00:05:36.320 what they want, to preserve their rights and to respond to their concerns. They own the country

00:05:44.440 by virtue of their citizenship, not by virtue of their race or their religion or who their parents

00:05:50.640 were, but by virtue of their status as citizens of that country. And that, we are told, is what

00:05:56.960 makes Israel so different from the terrifying police states on its borders like Jordan and

00:06:03.420 Lebanon. Okay. Now that's, of course, the only, that's the kind of lie you could only tell to

00:06:09.520 people who've never been to any of those countries and will believe anything, right? Which is most

00:06:13.700 people, because anyone who's been to any of those countries knows it's an absurd lie. It's an absurd

00:06:18.680 lie, which becomes immediately evident the second you go there and see it. No, it's not a police

00:06:23.120 state, actually, in Jordan. It's really nice. Nicer than most parts of the United States,

00:06:27.100 actually. But leaving that aside, the question of citizenship in Israel, which is a status that

00:06:34.480 applies equally to all people in Israel who live in Israel, who are permanent residents of Israel,

00:06:39.760 citizenship, a recognizably Western concept, the fact that Israel has a system based on citizenship

00:06:46.560 is, again, the pretext for American support for Israel. We support Israel because they're just 0.96

00:06:52.800 like us. They're an outpost of Western civilization in the Near East. They're not some like creepy 0.86

00:06:59.480 genocidal ethnostate that kills people for having the wrong DNA. No, that's like, that's what the

00:07:04.200 Nazis did. And we're all officially against that, and especially Israel, because Israel was created 0.84

00:07:08.400 in response to what the Nazis did. So they're exhibit A in like how you run a country, because 0.70

00:07:15.080 they learned lessons from what the Nazis did, which to restate, in case you missed that history 0.73

00:07:19.000 lesson, was isolate first, attack second, try to expel third, and finally murder people within 0.84

00:07:30.420 its borders, beginning in Germany, because they had the wrong DNA, because they were the wrong 0.99

00:07:36.580 race or ethnicity, because, well, in that case, they were Jews. So that is always and everywhere 0.99

00:07:42.200 wrong. I mean, if there's one lesson of the Second World War, it's that. That's just wrong. 0.73

00:07:46.280 It doesn't matter who commits it. It's an absolute standard. It is always wrong at every time in

00:07:50.880 history. There really is one lesson of the entire 20th century of our modern society. It's all based

00:07:56.980 on that idea. And again, the defense of Israel has been based on the claim that Israel is upholding 0.89

00:08:04.520 that universal standard uniquely in the Middle East. None of the other countries are, but Israel

00:08:08.980 is. It's a democracy. So it's a little weird to hear one of Israel's most faithful cheerleaders

00:08:16.760 in the United States just kind of casually admit that's not true. That the problem with the most

00:08:22.480 recent Israeli elections, and again, this was yesterday, his votes were still being cast. 0.94

00:08:27.100 There was Mark Levin encouraging more non-Arabs to cast them. Right in the middle of that, 0.96

00:08:32.140 Mark Levin just kind of casually admits, oh, wait, Arabs might have an effect on the outcome of the election, not Hamas, Israeli Arab citizens. 0.74

00:08:44.320 In other words, our democracy might function as democracies are intended to function, and that would be a disaster because it might undercut the project, which is not a democratic project. 0.52

00:08:54.780 the project is building an ethnostate based on your dna not on your beliefs 0.62

00:09:00.760 on your dna because of course it was based on your beliefs there would be a religious test

00:09:06.280 to move to israel but there's not there's in effect a genetic test you have to have

00:09:10.520 a mother who's connected to the project so it's by your blood so that's an ethnostate now you

00:09:18.760 could argue you know nations have a right to construct ethnostates if they want and israel's

00:09:22.680 not the only ethnostate in history, that's for certain. In fact, through history, most states

00:09:26.560 have been ethnostates. In fact, until recently, almost all states have been ethnostates.

00:09:31.260 So you could argue that that's a term that's been maligned in the wake of the Second World War,

00:09:35.380 but you can't argue that the existence of an ethnostate is acceptable to the leaders of

00:09:41.500 Western countries because they spend the rest of their day, when they're not defending this

00:09:45.260 ethnostate in the Middle East, attacking the idea of an ethnostate and denying their citizens the

00:09:50.360 right to create ethnostates like that's the whole project so it's a little bit weird and here you

00:09:55.480 have mark levin just sort of casually admitting that no it's not really democracy because when 0.99

00:10:00.560 it functions as intended we have to stop it we can't let the arabs take control the people who 1.00

00:10:06.180 live here who've been here longer than we have they can't have control of the country 1.00

00:10:10.860 so then you think well okay that's mark levin like what does he know he's got a weekend show 0.81

00:10:18.340 on fox like he's not really an arbiter of anything important he's just like a blowhard 0.94

00:10:22.320 an increasingly unhappy looking blowhard shooting videos of himself as he walks down the shuffles

00:10:27.540 down the sidewalk so maybe like within israel at the level of like the people who run it people

00:10:34.580 are more diplomatic and you know aren't saying things like that out loud because when you say 0.98

00:10:39.540 things like that out loud you kind of give away your future plans which is to commit pogroms

00:10:45.060 Of course, whenever you have a leader of a country identifying a group as evil based on its blood,

00:10:51.460 you can be certain that if unchecked, that leader will continue down the inevitable path toward killing them, right?

00:10:58.120 I mean, isn't this like the lesson of Der Sturmer?

00:11:01.540 By the way, the editor of Der Sturmer was executed after the Second World War.

00:11:04.480 That was, of course, the Nazi-affiliated paper that identified Jews as evil, 0.57

00:11:08.580 not just because of what they did, but because of who they were.

00:11:10.720 no one ever pretended that that guy hurt anybody but his words alone were considered so vile and

00:11:19.040 so critical to the process of genocide that he was executed by the allies which is to say you know by

00:11:26.020 the people who adjudicated those trials which included judges from the United States and the 0.90

00:11:30.040 Soviet Union so we know that language like that is bad like we know that and we've been teaching 0.99

00:11:37.480 our kids that for, well, 80 years. So it would be a surprise if within Israel, the political class, 0.94

00:11:45.340 whose salaries we effectively pay for here in the United States, were saying similar or

00:11:49.120 really even more florid things. So let's check in on the still current prime minister of the

00:11:55.400 state of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, who's been on and off the prime minister for 30 years.

00:12:00.620 And as the votes began to be tallied and the exit polls analyzed today, it became clear that he had 0.79

00:12:06.400 not won a clear victory, and that he hadn't, according to most analysis, because the Arab

00:12:13.600 parties, which represent about 20% of Israel's population, the population of Israeli citizens

00:12:21.400 who have a right to vote and participate in the political process, because it's, again,

00:12:25.820 a democracy, the only democracy in the Middle East, it became clear that they were not voting

00:12:30.700 for Benjamin Netanyahu, because, I mean, just guessing, maybe they were, I don't know, unimpressed

00:12:35.920 by the genocide to their south in gaza i mean who knows just kind of throwing that out there but in

00:12:40.800 any case they didn't vote for netanyahu according to exit polls so here's netanyahu's response and

00:12:44.420 we're quoting now and this is publicly available on x quote the elections in the state of israel

00:12:50.540 were stolen by arab parties that support terrorism and the elimination of the jewish state through

00:12:56.260 serious criminal offenses of bribery threats violence forgeries and the use of prohibited 0.58

00:13:02.080 software to mobilize voters let's just stop there prohibited software to mobilize voters

00:13:07.800 hmm what kind of software could be prohibited to mobilize voters in what democratic system is it

00:13:15.180 ever prohibited to mobilize voters to encourage your fellow citizens to express their preference

00:13:20.080 at the polls we're not even sure what that means but the idea itself doesn't sound a lot like

00:13:26.380 democracy at all in any case he went on the election has been stolen by the arabs quote we

00:13:32.560 demand from the police and the shin bet which is the internal security service the secret police

00:13:37.680 a thorough investigation into the election theft by the arab parties and the full prosecution of

00:13:43.880 the criminals this is a serious blow to israeli democracy and the voting rights of israeli

00:13:50.020 citizens, the law enforcement agencies must act with an iron fist and in an immediate manner.

00:13:58.440 In other words, let's have a pogrom, because that's what he's calling for. This is a threat

00:14:04.060 to the voting rights of Israeli citizens? Well, the people in question, the Arabs, are Israeli 1.00

00:14:08.440 citizens, which is why they voted in the first place. And Netanyahu's complaint is that they

00:14:12.860 didn't vote for him, and therefore they are supporters of terrorism, and therefore their

00:14:17.080 voting itself is a crime now to their credit there are people because this is a contested

00:14:24.080 election within israel a few who have pointed out that this is genocidal language this is insane

00:14:29.120 in fact the whole idea behind that post is totally incompatible with western civilization

00:14:37.180 or its understanding of justice the idea that an election is invalid just because

00:14:42.120 people whose ancestors I don't like voted in it is not something that we would accept in the

00:14:48.000 United States or that most American citizens have any interest in paying for, though they are

00:14:52.320 against their will. But that was Benjamin Netanyahu's first response. The Arabs did it.

00:14:58.100 And again, not Hamas, not Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad or any of the scary-sounding radical groups,

00:15:04.760 radical groups, none of whom is anywhere near as radical as some of Bibi's own cabinet ministers,

00:15:10.940 but in any case those radical islamic groups he's not blaming them he's blaming his own people

00:15:19.080 the people he's supposed to be representing and it wasn't just him as the day went on

00:15:26.140 his view of this was bolstered by his son yer netanyahu you may have read about in fact if

00:15:31.820 you go to nightclubs in miami during the gaza conflict you may have run into him because he

00:15:35.880 was there in miami for much of that conflict when basically every secular man in the nation of israel

00:15:42.500 was drafted to fight that and some died your netanyahu the prime minister's son spent the

00:15:48.200 bulk of that time in miami again at nightclubs etc etc in any case he's back in israel weighing in

00:15:55.440 on today's election and here's what he said and we're quoting the truth must be told which is

00:16:01.640 always to tell the truth is not going to be told the election results prove that the majority of

00:16:06.060 muslim arabs in israel identify as palestinians justify terrorism against us want to drive all 0.78

00:16:14.360 jews out of here aspire to destroy the jewish state and establish an arab islamic palestinian 0.99

00:16:21.000 state on its ruins this is an existential problem no less than the iranian nuclear threat is really 1.00

00:16:28.440 law section 7a of the basic law the Knesset is very clear and prohibits parties that support

00:16:33.260 terrorism and negate Israel as a Jewish state from running for the Knesset the reason they're

00:16:38.800 in the Knesset is that the high court of justices emptied the law of substance and enabled their

00:16:43.420 candidacy in violation of the law in other words if you disagree with the ruling coalition which

00:16:51.520 as of tonight is still the Benjamin Netanyahu Likud coalition you can't participate in elections

00:16:58.540 This is the Israeli version of democracy.

00:17:01.700 You're allowed to run against us as long as we substantively agree with you, 0.84

00:17:05.040 as long as we're basically on the same page and arguing about the margins.

00:17:09.300 But if you seek actual representation in our system,

00:17:13.500 if you feel you are being marginalized,

00:17:16.420 if your children, for example, go to separate and much less well-funded schools,

00:17:22.100 if you're living under state-sponsored segregation,

00:17:25.260 which of course Arab Israeli citizens are and have been since the foundation of the state of Israel

00:17:32.140 their kids go to separate schools Jim Crow alert you may not have heard this from the ADL which is

00:17:38.400 of course ever vigilant that there might be a resurgence in segregation in the United States

00:17:42.220 but they don't mention that state-sponsored segregation is the rule in Israel but it is 0.80

00:17:49.280 you can look it up if you like how many muslim arab kids go to publicly funded

00:17:55.520 jewish majority schools in israel basically zero 0.99

00:17:58.660 they go to their own schools so let's say you don't like that system let's say you believe 0.70

00:18:05.940 it's separate and unequal and let's say you have relatives in the occupied territories who may have

00:18:11.320 lived there for i don't know a couple thousand years and your relatives have been slaughtered

00:18:15.480 in the genocide that your government has been committing for the past three years and you're

00:18:18.960 dissatisfied with that and so you're voting as you thought was your right in a democracy the only

00:18:24.100 democracy in the middle east against government policy you are now a terrorist and according to

00:18:29.700 the netanyahu family you shouldn't be allowed to vote so what you're watching actually is not

00:18:36.540 simply a losing candidate yelping about losing though you're definitely watching that and we

00:18:41.980 can debate whether he really will lose in the end. Don't bet against Benjamin Netanyahu. He's

00:18:47.360 certainly not a genius or a wise leader, but he is crafty and tougher than most people in politics,

00:18:52.260 and he may wind up six months from now remaining the prime minister of Israel. We'll see.

00:18:57.280 So you're certainly watching that. You're watching a guy fighting off his back using

00:19:00.540 all available rhetorical weapons, but you're also watching the beginning of a consensus change

00:19:06.940 in Israel. You are beginning watching a process by which the Israeli political system just says

00:19:13.440 the unspoken out loud, no, Arabs cannot participate in our system. And so its defenders 0.97

00:19:21.220 will no longer be able to falsely claim that Israel is a democracy. Of course, it has not been

00:19:25.420 a democracy since 1967, because at least half the population of the territories controlled by the 1.00

00:19:32.920 government of israel are arab and they can't vote so you can't have a democracy if almost half of 0.91

00:19:43.940 your population can't vote that's not a democracy that's actually like slavery which is what it is 0.99

00:19:49.080 in fact it's worse than chattel slavery in the united states because chattel slavery the united 0.67

00:19:53.600 states never had intentional genocide horrible as it was and israel does but in any case they'll

00:20:01.620 no longer be able to say the only democracy in the Middle East because it demonstrably won't be.

00:20:06.880 But given the way public opinion in Israel seems to be changing, evolving, perhaps devolving in

00:20:13.920 real time, it's possible they just don't care what the West thinks of them, even what voters

00:20:21.020 in the United States think of them, perhaps even what politicians in the United States think of

00:20:26.980 them. Now, everything that we've read is real, and it's been out for, well, in the case of the

00:20:33.340 Levin video, more than 24 hours, and you haven't seen any reaction at all from the pro-Israel

00:20:39.700 chorus in American politics, which would include the leaders of both parties. And of course,

00:20:43.180 a couple of them are particularly active, and you know their names. One represents Texas in

00:20:47.540 the United States Senate, and another is the U.S. ambassador to Israel, and there are a whole bunch

00:20:52.160 of them and of course you know our richest class is filled with them bill ackman and his friends all

00:20:58.520 serious long-term supporters not simply of the state of israel the idea of israel but of the

00:21:04.000 netanyahu government of lakud and as lakud becomes explicitly not simply anti-terror anti-hamas

00:21:13.520 but anti-arab including the arabs who are citizens of their own country hate them because they are

00:21:19.280 Arabs these people not one of them has said a word about it not one well let's actually revise

00:21:26.540 that one has and we're just grateful for the candor on display in this clip and again every

00:21:33.520 week we pledge no more Ben Shapiro clips you don't want to elevate the guy above his station

00:21:37.240 you don't want the kind of dark temptation to mock his eyebrows you know all the kind of

00:21:42.700 ancillary potential problems with playing a Ben Shapiro clip but this is just too perfect and so

00:21:48.920 we're going to break our own rule and do it. So here is Ben Shapiro today with a whole cast of

00:21:54.060 people who agree with him, all sort of nodding. Oh, yeah, Ben Shapiro. Good point. Watch their

00:21:58.680 faces as he just says, you know what? We're just going to have to strip voting rights from Arabs 1.00

00:22:03.920 in Israel. Watch this. The extreme Arab party got an enormous number of seats in this election, 0.82

00:22:10.660 and the leadership of that party is openly anti-Israel, wishes to destroy the state of

00:22:14.480 Israel openly talks about solidarity with Hamas. It's kind of an astonishing thing. They're allowed

00:22:19.860 to sit in the Knesset in the first place. The Supreme Court of Israel, there's been a lot of

00:22:24.220 talk about judicial reform. It seems to me that if the Supreme Court of Israel were worth its salt,

00:22:28.340 if you're going to ban the Kahanists, which is totally fine and appropriate, if you're going to 1.00

00:22:32.280 ban the Kahanists, then banning the Arab party that calls for this, not all Arab parties, but 0.97

00:22:36.960 the party that calls for the destruction of the state of Israel, that would seem some pretty 0.92

00:22:40.220 baseline stuff the fact they haven't is pretty astonishing so he just says it he just says it

00:22:45.260 when he says the most radical arab party he's talking about the arab party that democratically

00:22:50.120 in the israeli system abiding by the rules of the israeli system no one has actually provided

00:22:56.660 specifics to refute that they went along with the system the israelis set up for them to participate

00:23:04.120 and they got their voter turnout to about 80 percent which is apparently higher than the

00:23:10.240 median turnout in israel in other words they did what you're supposed to do in a democracy

00:23:14.900 and because of that here you have ben shapiro who poses as like an american a defender of the

00:23:21.500 american system and a defender of israel because israel has a version of the american system

00:23:26.680 participatory democracy an enlightened liberal view of the world both heirs of western civilization

00:23:33.120 you have that guy pulling off the mask and just saying well no no Arabs can't vote 0.80

00:23:40.700 no they're terrorists really have they committed acts of terror name them within Israel and the

00:23:49.580 occupied territories right now what percentage of the verified let's just say on tape acts of

00:23:55.860 terror in the past three years have been committed by Arabs well some sure the majority

00:24:02.540 oh no 30 don't think so lower much much lower and this is not a defense of hamas which is

00:24:15.200 certainly committed acts of terror for sure it's merely an accurate and honest observation about 0.64

00:24:21.780 where we are right now in 2026 and have been for the last three years the acts of terror within

00:24:27.100 israel is real proper and particularly within the territories it controls it administers it 0.62

00:24:32.280 writes the rules, the acts of terror within that area, Palestine, are overwhelmingly committed

00:24:40.080 by Israelis, by IDF soldiers, by Shin Bet operatives, and by settlers. Settlers would be 0.65

00:24:49.040 mostly young people, the so-called hilltop youth, disproportionately American, a lot of them from 0.69

00:24:54.740 Long Island, who have moved at the encouragement of the Israeli government, and the huge pools of

00:25:01.460 money set aside given largely by american donors and administered within israel who have moved to

00:25:08.620 the west bank the area that for incomprehensible reasons mike huckabee refers to with dead serious

00:25:14.320 as judea and samaria really how many samaritans are left there mike huckabee can you tell us what

00:25:19.340 a samaritan is no whatever but to that region an area that was formerly part of jordan that was

00:25:26.900 taken by Israel in the Six-Day War in 1967

00:25:29.000 and has never been

00:25:30.900 claimed as Israel.

00:25:33.060 It's just an area that they control. 0.94

00:25:34.620 We call it the occupied territories because it's occupied

00:25:36.760 by the Israeli military.

00:25:39.140 And so it's a kind of gray zone

00:25:40.600 where Israel runs it, 0.98

00:25:42.480 they control the utilities, they control everything 0.98

00:25:44.600 about it. They close the airport.

00:25:46.420 You can't get in or out without permission from

00:25:48.340 the Israeli authorities. So it is an effect in Israel

00:25:50.660 but no one who lives there can vote. 1.00

00:25:52.440 If they're Arab, the Jews who can 1.00

00:25:54.640 live there can vote. 0.95

00:25:56.900 And amazingly, a lot of those Jews who can vote are just recently arrived from, well, the United 0.75

00:26:03.940 States. And some of them are probably peaceful religious people. Some of them are dangerous

00:26:09.440 lunatics, as dangerous as anybody in ISIS, as committed to violence, as besotted by some sort 0.99

00:26:15.280 of millennialist theology, as anybody in the Islamic State. Truly radical religious extremists. 0.96

00:26:23.860 and so if you know anything about this if you followed it at all you know that not only is

00:26:30.360 everything i just said true it's accelerating it is getting more intense and more crazy in fact so

00:26:35.760 intense and so crazy that there have been moments in the last year or two that even the netanyahu

00:26:39.640 government has felt compelled because there's a lot of video evidence this is really happening

00:26:43.480 that the sort of settler taliban is running around killing people old people kids in the

00:26:51.580 occupied territories there's so much evidence of it the at times netanyahu government has had to 0.57

00:26:58.740 sort of semi-distance itself from what's going on and that would include the most valuable asset in

00:27:05.580 the israeli government which would be someone whose salary you pay directly not indirectly

00:27:09.380 like the rest of them that would be the u.s ambassador to israel as he calls it mike huckabee

00:27:13.940 from arkansas and even mike huckabee has had to say well guys that's a that's a little over the top

00:27:18.920 but of course that's all cover they don't mean it and it's more over the top than you may realize

00:27:26.820 and we're about to show you a video that has not been shown anywhere before this is something that

00:27:31.040 happened last week in a west bank town whose name we're not going to tell you and it happened to a

00:27:35.340 family we're not going to identify now original plan was to have one family member who shot this

00:27:40.980 video on the show tonight to explain what was happening but we got a call from him today

00:27:45.220 saying that he was pulling out because he believes if he were publicly identified,

00:27:51.300 his family who remain in this town would be killed.

00:27:55.760 So as we play this, we want you to keep in mind a couple of things.

00:27:59.180 One, the elderly man who you're about to watch being beaten by masked settlers with sticks,

00:28:06.400 dressed very much like ISIS in black masks.

00:28:10.260 that man who was badly injured by this attack and you'll see why in just a minute is an american

00:28:17.780 citizen as are the majority of people who live in this town in the west bank they are mostly

00:28:26.000 muslim arabs not all but they're american citizens and this man is an american citizen

00:28:31.800 citizen he's an american and the people beating him may or may not have been americans perhaps

00:28:37.580 they're dual citizens we don't know but as they beat him they were acting in their capacity as

00:28:42.860 israeli citizens with the full impunity from punishment that that implies in the occupied

00:28:48.540 territories now again this has never been shown and we had hoped to have it fleshed out a little

00:28:53.220 bit by a person who shot it but in the end he was too afraid that his family would be killed

00:28:59.100 if he were identified so with that here's the video there was no sound but you can watch

00:29:03.440 carefully what is happening there they are three men beating an elderly man on the ground we blurred

00:29:10.700 that out because the family is so concerned he'll be identified and he runs away and as he does

00:29:16.320 more mass settlers arrive and they throw rocks at the house and then they decide to pour gasoline

00:29:22.580 on the family car and ignite it at this point there are seem to be six of them of these israeli

00:29:31.280 Taliban. Oh, and there they go. There are seven of them, and they light his car on fire and run 0.95

00:29:36.300 away. Now, you can tell from the backyard there that this is not a slum, not that it matters, 0.99

00:29:42.600 of course. These are human beings, but just in point of fact, they're not torching a car and

00:29:47.500 beating a homeowner in some shanty town that was erected illegally on Israeli land. No, they're

00:29:54.160 torching the car and beating the patriarch of a family who has been there since the beginning of

00:29:59.780 time and has been successful and who are law-abiding, productive members of society.

00:30:07.220 Again, it doesn't matter morally whether they're poor or rich, but just to be totally clear here,

00:30:12.740 they're beating up an American homeowner in what looks like a suburban backyard in the United

00:30:18.460 States, except it happens to be in the occupied territories in the West Bank.

00:30:23.440 And they beat this man almost to death. And what happened next? Keep in mind,

00:30:29.780 he's an american well what do you think the first thing he did was well he called the american

00:30:34.720 embassy he called mike huckabee's office and maybe he spoke to mark levin's stepson who runs that

00:30:41.560 office still even after he was caught trying to hide attacks on americans from the white house

00:30:51.000 even as he was caught soliciting money from people in israel for his wedding he still has the job for

00:30:58.140 some reason because when criticized in a lengthy and exhaustive New York Times piece

00:31:03.140 his stepfather just screamed anti-semitism until he kept his job anti-semitism okay all right now

00:31:09.700 what's actually not anti-semitic to defend the life of an American when he's beaten by religious

00:31:18.000 extremists in a foreign country but so distorted has this administration become so distorted has

00:31:24.320 every administration been for the last 60 years that there is no it's no longer obvious to them

00:31:30.580 that their first obligation is to americans and to the united states and that's why mike huckabee

00:31:36.300 was allowed to host secretly until he was caught the most damaging spy in our lifetimes

00:31:44.720 jonathan pollard who stole secrets from the u.s military gave him to the israeli government which

00:31:50.720 passed them to the Soviet Union that's all true and that guy meets secretly with the U.S. ambassador

00:31:57.800 who's one of his great champions and no one does anything about it just pretend it didn't happen 0.87

00:32:04.580 just as our entire political class is pretending that Israel has not gone insane that its leaders 0.94

00:32:11.260 aren't calling for stripping citizens of their voting rights because they're Arab again these

00:32:18.340 are people who were there long before Theodore Herzl thought up this whole program.

00:32:25.820 And our political class has pledged allegiance to this country, which, you know, you could argue

00:32:32.080 wasn't always insane. It wasn't always a bloodthirsty ethnostate committing genocide

00:32:37.320 against children, murdering over 100,000 people, openly calling for sending people to camps because 0.99

00:32:43.420 they're Arab that's all happening right now and it's not an exaggeration and so because for the 0.67

00:32:49.620 last 30 years only people who don't shave their armpits talked about this at rallies in Washington

00:32:54.760 it was very easy to dismiss them as the radical America hating fringe see they hate America and

00:32:59.200 they hate Israel but the truth is there weren't mass outcries about this because people didn't

00:33:06.460 bother themselves to learn about it.

00:33:09.560 But the more you know about what is happening,

00:33:12.580 not two years ago, but right now,

00:33:15.840 the more you learn about it,

00:33:17.340 it becomes completely unsustainable.

00:33:18.600 There's no way any decent person could support any of that.

00:33:24.340 It's so over the top.

00:33:26.380 It is so openly genocidal and murderous,

00:33:29.640 and it's all being done with your money in your name.

00:33:32.940 a country that's richer than ours is taking our money to murder people who didn't do anything

00:33:41.460 wrong and our entire political class is pretending it's not happening and then refusing to help

00:33:47.220 Americans who are beaten by men in masks right so obviously all of this is going to change

00:33:58.660 because unlike say five years ago when only people on the fringes who spent sunday with

00:34:05.800 signs jumping up and down in front of public buildings they're the only people who cared

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00:34:13.560 going to put up with it and you will never again in our lifetimes have an american president who

00:34:18.400 can stand on the debate stage and say as nicky haley famously did we get a lot more from israel

00:34:23.320 than they get from us or any assorted absurd nonsensical bumper sticker like no one will

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00:36:23.420 So we thought it'd just be a perfect time considering the leadership of Benjamin Netanyahu

00:36:30.580 may finally be coming to an end after 30 incredibly ugly and bloody years, or not.

00:36:37.480 It'd be worth checking in with one of the true experts on the subject,

00:36:41.280 someone who has been traveling in and out of Israel for more than 50 years, who has family

00:36:44.860 there, who began with a very sympathetic understanding of Israel, like most Americans,

00:36:50.840 by the way. In the wake of the Six-Day War, Israel was probably the most popular country

00:36:55.200 in the United States. Americans didn't always dislike Israel. They learned to dislike Israel

00:37:00.880 the hard way. In any case, Jeffrey Sachs is, it is fair to say, an even-handed and deeply

00:37:09.000 knowledgeable observer of what is happening in israel and so just a moment ago we talked to him

00:37:14.280 about what this election means here's the conversation jeffrey sacks thank you so much

00:37:19.320 for doing this um of course thank you so we're right in the middle of uh trying to figure out

00:37:26.200 what the israeli election results mean they're not certified of course yet um where do you where

00:37:30.840 do you think israel stands as of right now well what happened uh is that the uh the israeli jewish

00:37:38.680 vote divided roughly equally. Maybe Netanyahu's group got a few more seats, a little bit higher

00:37:49.420 percentage. But Netanyahu lost his governing majority. And the big news, really, although

00:37:56.480 it's being pushed away in some way, is that the Arab vote turned out massively and won

00:38:06.160 about 16 or 17 percent of the seats in the parliament in the Knesset, and they could be

00:38:15.660 the determining factor, actually, if common sense prevails to get Netanyahu out and to at least get

00:38:25.060 a different group in. Netanyahu is one of the great disasters of modern history for Israel and

00:38:33.540 for the whole world and for the United States, and getting him out would be a profoundly

00:38:40.360 beneficial thing for all concerned. 1.00

00:38:44.640 So I think that the remarkable fact actually is that the Arabs, who constitute about 20%

00:38:54.240 of Israel's population, had a turnout that is something like 80%, astounding, up from

00:39:03.060 an estimated 55 percent in the 2022 parliamentary election.

00:39:09.260 They got a lot of seats.

00:39:11.180 They could determine the new government if extreme anti-Arab racism doesn't predominate

00:39:21.300 in Israel, which it certainly could, but if some people are reasonable, decent, not vulgarly

00:39:31.080 racist in the Netanyahu opposition, then there will be a new government with Netanyahu gone,

00:39:40.200 and the possibility of something better. And something much better, Tucker, of course,

00:39:48.040 for the United States, because Netanyahu, you know, seems to work his spell on Donald Trump, 0.70

00:39:55.800 who has betrayed our country and betrayed his base and betrayed his promises about putting

00:40:03.220 America first, because he put Israel first during these first two years of this administration, 0.55

00:40:10.920 and it's been dreadful. And maybe with Netanyahu gone, maybe America could actually regain a little 0.71

00:40:20.500 bit of our own sovereignty. This would be my hope. So a couple things, just to be clear on

00:40:27.360 what you're saying, you're saying that Netanyahu could lose power if his opponents were willing

00:40:34.740 to form a coalition with the Arab parties, but it's possible that they may be under so much

00:40:39.620 internal pressure that they don't form a coalition with the Arab parties and Netanyahu stays. Is that

00:40:44.160 what you're saying? Yeah, so there are two ways that things could happen. The way you mentioned

00:40:50.400 is one of the two, not the most likely. But the other way in a parliamentary system is that the

00:40:58.880 opposition group, led by a General Eisencott, could govern as a minority share of the parliament,

00:41:11.460 but what's called with the support of the Arabs.

00:41:15.180 In other words, when the budget comes up,

00:41:17.480 the Arab bloc votes with the government

00:41:20.700 to adopt the budget and to adopt crucial legislation,

00:41:25.340 but it's not part of the government,

00:41:27.840 so it's not a coalition.

00:41:29.760 Now, okay, if this were a normal society, 0.66

00:41:33.300 which Israel is not, 0.98

00:41:35.000 Israel is a deranged society, 1.00

00:41:37.620 I'm very sad to say, 1.00

00:41:39.500 but if this were a normal society, the Arab parties and this opposition group would unite,

00:41:48.560 and there'd be a clear majority, a quite decisive majority. And Netanyahu would go off to jail or

00:41:56.680 to wherever he would go. And it would be simple. But the leaders of the Jewish side of the

00:42:08.820 anti-Netanyahu bloc vowed not to cooperate with the Arabs. This is the perversity of Israel. This 0.92

00:42:20.300 is an extraordinary racism. This is an extraordinary lack of decency and practical politics. The Arabs

00:42:30.020 constitute 20% of the Israeli population, and I'm talking about of Israel proper. If we look at all 1.00

00:42:38.160 of the land, that means of Israel proper, and of East Jerusalem, and of the West Bank, and of 0.69

00:42:47.500 Gaza, then it's 50-50. And that's how it really should be. In fact, it should be 50-50. But even 0.92

00:42:55.700 within the more limited boundaries of those who are called Israeli citizens, because the others

00:43:02.960 don't have any rights, but if those who are called Israeli citizens, that's 20% of the population,

00:43:10.500 and they're supposed to have their rights. And they just voted. They just turned out

00:43:14.420 in mass numbers. And if these opposition figures would say, yeah, okay, now we form another

00:43:23.400 coalition, there'd be the normal bargaining about what the coalition would be. The Arab parties

00:43:30.440 would be junior members of that coalition, to be sure, just in the sheer vote count,

00:43:36.340 in the sheer count of seats. But it would be normal that they would be part of the government.

00:43:42.880 Of course, it's not that way because Israel is a deranged society. It is vulgarly anti-Arab and it is racist anti-Arab and it is violently anti-Arab, of course. 0.98

00:43:59.360 So while Netanyahu and his side, including these monsters, Ben Gavir and Smotrich, are outright murderous, the other side I don't think is outright murderous. 0.88

00:44:14.160 I hope not, and I don't think they are. 0.92

00:44:17.280 but before the election to prove their true Zionism. They declared they would never take 0.89

00:44:25.780 support or join in a coalition with the Arab parties. But here come the Arab parties and

00:44:31.740 they have won 20 seats or so in the Knesset out of the 120 seats. They are the balance of power.

00:44:40.400 Normal politicians would say one of these two options, which is, okay, we could join the

00:44:46.460 government and get some ministries, probably junior ministries, not the essential ministries,

00:44:53.260 I'm sure not defense, not finance and so forth, but you could have some ministries and it would

00:44:59.500 be a normal country. But Israel not being a normal country could also have these politicians say

00:45:06.460 there are good reasons to get Netanyahu out. He is a betrayer of Israel's security. This is

00:45:18.680 clear. He is actually under warrant for his arrest by the International Criminal Court.

00:45:27.260 His leadership has slaughtered probably around 100,000 people in Gaza.

00:45:38.340 every sign suggests that he knew that the attack was coming and either decided to let it happen 0.95

00:45:48.200 for some reason for his politics or is so thoroughly delusional and incompetent that

00:46:00.460 he didn't put the country on alert. But whatever it is, the man failed. So you might think that the

00:46:07.820 opposition, which has vowed not to go into government with him, might say, okay, we'll

00:46:15.000 govern with the support of the Arab parties. In other words, they won't join the government,

00:46:21.520 but we will negotiate so that they can have more decent lives and not be subject to brutality

00:46:30.000 and attack, and they will vote for our budget or make sure that we can effectively govern,

00:46:40.040 in which case Netanyahu would be out immediately. Whether they do that, it's really a test.

00:46:47.300 It's a test of the most basic politics. What takes precedence in Israel? Anti-Arab racism

00:46:58.000 or the chance for Israel to stabilize itself after the monstrosities that have occurred

00:47:08.100 in recent years and the disasters that have occurred in Israel in recent years. That's 0.69

00:47:15.100 the drama that we're facing. One other way that Netanyahu can go is a rather different way,

00:47:24.280 which is that the so-called Zionist parties, which is the Netanyahu side and the opposition

00:47:32.700 side, form a coalition with the proviso that Netanyahu leave. And that could happen, for

00:47:42.060 example, if Netanyahu got his pardon, because the man's a crook on top of everything else.

00:47:48.680 so he could be pardoned by the president, he could retire from office, and then a number of 0.68

00:47:56.080 parties could form a Jewish majority and just ignore the fact that 20% of the population is

00:48:03.120 Arab and get on with the Zionist side. So that's another possibility. In other words,

00:48:09.440 there are many ways that Netanyahu could go. He lost his majority. The opposition to Netanyahu is

00:48:19.460 a clear majority, although part of it is the Arab parties. So there are a number of ways that

00:48:27.740 that clear expression, that of the 10 million people in Israel, 8 million Jews, and 2 million

00:48:36.880 Arabs. The significant majority want this man and his murderous gang to leave. And they should be

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00:50:09.840 I heard something yesterday

00:50:11.340 I never heard before,

00:50:12.520 and it came from Mark Levin, 0.96

00:50:13.780 the Fox News host and Netanyahu promoter,

00:50:16.860 and he was urging Likud supporters in Israel

00:50:19.260 to vote in a video,

00:50:20.280 and in it he said,

00:50:21.200 if you don't vote,

00:50:22.880 the Arabs are going to take over 1.00

00:50:25.120 and they'll destroy the country. 1.00

00:50:27.420 And I thought, you know,

00:50:28.240 for years and i know that that kind of talk is common in israel it has not been common in the

00:50:32.360 united states among supporters of israel who instead tell you that israel is worth supporting

00:50:37.640 because it's quote the only democracy in the middle east notwithstanding the fact that millions

00:50:41.080 of arabs are in the territories can't vote but israel proper is a democracy not even can't vote

00:50:45.860 can't even live well of course they're being murdered yes of course but but but so they say 0.94

00:50:49.920 no well that's complicated and we're occupying and whatever but in israel itself israel proper

00:50:56.100 is you said we have this big arab minority and they're citizens and their citizenship is what

00:51:02.140 matters it's a western system where you know your religion is secondary to your citizenship

00:51:06.620 and it's therefore a democracy i've yeah they went to the polls they voted but here you have 0.97

00:51:12.420 they're not saying that anymore it's like no they can't have power because they're arabs well that's 0.87

00:51:17.500 no it's even it's even worse than that tucker because today with this big turnout and this 0.97

00:51:23.740 success of the Arab parties. Netanyahu is saying that this is a fraud, that the Arabs have stolen 0.82

00:51:31.220 the election. So it's actually just mind-boggling. This man, of course, is a thug and a liar and

00:51:40.920 will say anything at any time. But the line today is not just, oh my God, what are we going to do 1.00

00:51:50.800 and the other side might take support from the Arabs. 0.70

00:51:54.220 But no, this is a fraud. 1.00

00:51:56.760 They've stolen this country.

00:51:58.860 So this is apparently what this Fox newscaster,

00:52:02.780 whatever, newscaster is a little bit too glorious for him.

00:52:10.460 But whatever he said, yes, that has become the new line

00:52:15.060 because the appeal is to rank racism, period.

00:52:20.800 that's the appeal and it works to an extent but it does not work to create a governing majority

00:52:29.120 and that that's the reality right now well it works in the short term but in over time it

00:52:34.320 becomes something you want to distance yourself from because it's ugly and shameful and you

00:52:38.960 could say that of a lot of things going on right now including the genocide in gaza so it you do

00:52:44.800 sort of yes and i and i would say that uh one thing we should be very proud of in the united

00:52:50.080 States is that as Israel committed this genocide, the American people were in revulsion about this.

00:53:00.060 And now a majority of Americans, actually a significant majority of young people,

00:53:06.720 and I'm very proud of the young people being an older guy, they're significantly on the side of 0.73

00:53:13.680 the Palestinians who are being slaughtered in this. And they see Israel for what it is doing

00:53:20.900 right now, which is being a murderous and racist state. I'm not saying every person in Israel is,

00:53:28.320 obviously not. But what I'm saying is that the state has behaved that way. And the politicians

00:53:35.340 that are running for office right now should behave themselves, not in this racist manner.

00:53:41.560 and they shouldn't say we will never cooperate with the Arab voters and the Arab parties that

00:53:49.300 have won apparently 19 or 20 seats in the Knesset. This is the route actually to their power and to

00:53:57.960 the reform of what has gone terribly wrong in Israel. So they could actually show the door to 0.67

00:54:06.340 Netanyahu if they swallow the racism and get on with normal politics not racist politics

00:54:13.920 so do you think that's possible I mean I think we both agree it's good if Netanyahu is bounced

00:54:19.820 because he's done indisputably terrible things and that should never be rewarded

00:54:25.460 but if he is and and he's done terrible things to our country Tucker oh well that's what I'm

00:54:30.960 about right i watched it yeah no absolutely i agree but if he leaves does it get better does

00:54:39.460 the country get better does america's relationship with israel change what do you imagine happens if

00:54:43.820 he loses well i think his being gone uh will uh be at least a break in the clouds or a break in

00:54:55.020 in this horrible storm. This man has been a disaster for 30 years. We're in the 30th

00:55:01.980 anniversary since he first came to power as prime minister. He came to power on a platform with his

00:55:09.540 American Zionist allies that Israel and the United States together would launch a lot of wars 0.56

00:55:17.440 so that Netanyahu could have his greater Israel agenda, meaning crush the Palestinians.

00:55:24.920 This is not exactly America's interest. This is not exactly America's cause. 0.51

00:55:30.420 We should never have signed up to such a horrendous thing. But of course,

00:55:35.000 our presidents did, and Trump said he wasn't going to, and he's doubled down on everything, 0.88

00:55:41.260 even taking us to a disastrous war in Iran because Bibi told him to do so. 0.84

00:55:46.660 So this is a chance, actually, to at least put a break to what has been 30 years of American 0.82

00:55:57.580 perpetual wars costing us trillions of dollars and being the aiding and abetting genocide.

00:56:08.180 So yes, I want him to go. It would make a difference. But would it make a decisive

00:56:13.800 difference in the rhetoric and the politics coming out of Israel, obviously not a decisive

00:56:19.680 difference. A lot of this opposition is hardline and absolutely against a Palestinian state,

00:56:30.000 but not all of them are like that. And anyway, maybe we're going in a completely different

00:56:36.280 direction to a, I think, even more likely, and Israel's almost compelling it, not to two states,

00:56:44.840 but to one democratic state where Arabs and Jews vote together and you form governments. And it's

00:56:51.460 just a different way. And maybe that's even a better way because Israel says, we'll never have 0.57

00:56:56.220 two states. Okay. So you have one state where Arabs have rights too, and they're allowed to

00:57:01.320 stay alive, and they're allowed to vote. And we have one state. A lot of countries are like that,

00:57:07.180 bi-national states. Belgium's like that, just to take one example. So maybe we're heading in that

00:57:13.000 direction, but we need to head in a completely different direction. And one of the tragedies,

00:57:20.880 of course, is what Netanyahu has done to the United States. But one of the shocking tragedies

00:57:27.720 is how Donald Trump jumped full in on all of this

00:57:33.620 and has brought disaster to our country

00:57:36.320 and his base knows it too.

00:57:39.200 And Trump could not resist in the last few days

00:57:44.160 endorsing Netanyahu after everything,

00:57:47.660 just proving, come on, president of the United States,

00:57:51.420 why don't you just stay out of it?

00:57:53.300 because we don't actually want to take on every delusion and every war of Netanyahu.

00:58:01.300 Why don't we have America first, actually, and not have you, Mr. President, so obsessed with

00:58:08.540 Israel's election that you got to get your buddy in your Iran war and in the Gaza genocide to stay

00:58:16.800 in power. What is that all about? So yes, if Netanyahu goes, it's also a little bit of space

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00:58:32.620 for sure, as you know, absolutely. The Democrats want this. It's both sides of the political

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01:00:11.320 So, I mean, let's say Netanyahu remains prime minister, or even if he doesn't.

01:00:15.780 Can you imagine two years from now, we'll be at the presidential election, any candidate

01:00:21.480 getting up on stage and saying, we stand with Israel, I stand with Israel, it's our closest

01:00:26.020 ally, any candidate who would say that getting elected from either party. There's no chance.

01:00:32.520 No way. No way from either party. This is absolutely a candidate has to explain. I'm

01:00:40.960 not going to do what Trump did. I'm not going to tell you that and then fake it and pull the rug

01:00:46.620 out from under you and jump into another Middle East war. I'm not going to do it. The one that

01:00:52.260 is convincing on that is going to win the presidency i agree with you completely i mean

01:00:56.940 but it what a change sometimes it's just worth pausing and acknowledging how quickly and totally

01:01:02.500 consensuses have changed so i mean in the last election it was it was unspoken sometimes spoken

01:01:09.200 but just assumed that every serious candidate for the presidency of the united states would

01:01:14.180 basically uncritically support israel and that's been that way for a long time a lot of money of

01:01:19.140 of course, who was involved in campaign contributions. And they felt the American

01:01:25.880 people aren't watching, so we can basically do this. We need our campaign finance. We need our

01:01:31.580 friends. We need our business deals. There's a lot of corruption in all of this. And so they

01:01:37.340 thought no one was watching. And this is why they were so desperate about TikTok and all the rest,

01:01:43.500 because people were watching and the american people absolutely did not want to be party

01:01:49.740 to mass slaughter yeah because we're decent people yeah and that is the basic point they

01:01:56.940 saw what this is all about now the truth is this has been going on for 30 years and for those of

01:02:05.420 us who kind of obsess about all of these things and that we follow it hour to hour day to day

01:02:12.060 this is what the Iraq war was all about. In 2003, it was a war not on mistaken premises

01:02:19.980 about weapons of mass destruction, but on phony premises. And Netanyahu came to the United States 0.65

01:02:29.060 in the fall of 2002 and spoke to Congress and told them this is going to be the greatest war ever.

01:02:35.280 Oh, and it's going to spread sunshine and light all over the Middle East, and it's going to

01:02:41.260 lead to the overthrow of the iranian regime and every absolute inanity insanity and lie he told 0.93

01:02:51.420 okay that's 2003 that was a few trillion dollars down the drain and then came 2011 and there we

01:03:00.140 were for mr netanyahu again nato under obama bombing libya because we had to overthrow that

01:03:09.100 government, and we succeeded in creating a civil war and unrest that spread across Africa

01:03:17.000 and that has been going on for 15 years now. Nothing came out of it except chaos. And Obama

01:03:25.080 and Hillary, well, they decided, and Netanyahu's all there, yeah, we got to overthrow the Syrian

01:03:32.460 government. And presidential finding, Operation Timber Sycamore, that the CIA is now tasked with

01:03:41.760 arming, training, financing the insurgency to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, another Bibi brainchild. 0.97

01:03:52.200 And that one took 15 years, killed hundreds of thousands of people, cost America a fortune, 1.00

01:03:59.460 created disasters that continue to this day. Flooded Europe with refugees. 1.00

01:04:06.320 Of course, and created this mass backlash. And Europe is, you know, I'm in Europe right now, 1.00

01:04:12.540 so sad and pathetic that they have been so terrified of the United States that they can't 0.99

01:04:18.380 speak an honest truth. So the refugees came in, they couldn't say, hey, maybe you should stop 1.00

01:04:24.660 that war in Syria because you're creating a lot of problems. Exactly. This created a mess 1.00

01:04:32.040 all over the world. And then, of course, we now have the Iran war and the American people 0.98

01:04:39.940 are furious about it. And they're right to be furious about it. This has to be the dumbest,

01:04:46.640 most useless, senseless war imaginable. And twice Trump did the same thing last year and this year 1.00

01:04:57.760 in the midst of negotiations that were actually leading to a settlement, which was terrifying.

01:05:04.580 Our dear friend Bibi, they went to war to prevent a negotiated settlement and went to war to kill

01:05:13.360 the people negotiating. And I don't know if Americans fully appreciate this, but

01:05:19.480 on February 28th of this year, when Trump jumped into this swamp, or let's say he dragged us into

01:05:30.560 this mess, they killed dozens of Iranian leaders, including the Supreme Leader. Why were they all

01:05:40.860 together because they were at the residence of the supreme leader discussing the next round of

01:05:48.260 diplomacy with the united states that was to start the following week and the day before

01:05:55.600 the omani mediator had come out to explain how much progress was being made and now the

01:06:02.500 negotiators would meet the following week in vienna well netanyahu for 30 years has said

01:06:10.740 don't negotiate at all crush them overthrow them go to war with them and each war has been a cascade

01:06:20.120 of more disasters than the last it has made our government indebted up to here we're now as

01:06:28.180 everybody knows, with sky-high interest rates that will continue to soar, budget out of control,

01:06:35.620 and Trump jumped into this exactly the opposite of what he promised his own base and what he

01:06:42.720 promised the American people. So should Netanyahu go? Absolutely, please, today, tomorrow, you guys

01:06:51.420 in Israel, figure it out. You won the election. Put aside your racism and actually figure out a way

01:06:59.340 to form a government. So if you're following the news, there are some ominous signs out there not

01:07:05.120 to scare anyone watching. But for example, the end of October, there was a giant cyber attack

01:07:10.160 that knocked out big parts of the Internet. And within days, the British government was telling

01:07:14.480 its citizens to stockpile water and canned food. That's not good. Meanwhile, the Pentagon has told

01:07:20.600 American military bases to operate independently for 90 days without outside electricity, water,

01:07:26.340 or fuel. In other words, they don't trust utilities in this country. Huh. So they're worried really,

01:07:33.400 among other things, about the risk of a cyber attack driven collapse of our infrastructure.

01:07:39.780 Governments acknowledge that is potentially going to happen. They're preparing for it. Are you

01:07:45.300 preparing for it? That's the real question. The reality is the systems you depend on every day

01:07:50.100 are more fragile than they look.

01:07:51.660 So if the internet goes down,

01:07:53.300 so do most other things in our society,

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01:08:26.600 israel having visited it a lot and enjoy myself every time i always thought of it as kind of a

01:08:33.180 european country with mostly european attitudes or european inflected attitudes with kind of eastern

01:08:40.320 charm but you know a lot of recognizably sort of liberal people there all of a sudden and not

01:08:47.820 unless you were in the orthodox neighborhoods not a religious country at all that at least that was

01:08:52.120 my experience of tel aviv for example now i see clips constantly of israeli leaders not wearing

01:08:58.200 black hats sounding like messianic religious extremists am i imagining this has the added

01:09:06.200 the general attitude in israel toward religious extremism changed it's it's it's as you know a

01:09:14.560 very complicated story and a complicated history. But Zionism in its original form was a secular

01:09:24.920 movement. It was mainly Russian secular figures, not religious people, or Theodor Herzl. He knew

01:09:33.660 nothing about it. He knew nothing about rabbinic Judaism. And by the way, the rabbis, the

01:09:39.520 The rabbis of the late 19th century and early 20th century and many rabbis until this day are against the whole idea of Zionism.

01:09:53.860 They said, you know, Judaism is a religion of ethics with regard to God and not with regard to idolatry of the land.

01:10:07.440 And there are, of course, we've discussed it also, rabbinic injunctions going back 1,500, 1,800 years.

01:10:19.160 It's actually called the three oaths in the Talmud, which say, do not create Zionism again until the Messiah comes for the Jewish people.

01:10:30.260 And so this was not a religious movement.

01:10:35.060 And in fact, religious Judaism, or what could be called rabbinic Judaism, was basically anti-Zionist for decades in the early decades of the Zionist movement before and after the Balfour Declaration.

01:10:55.580 When I started going to Israel, my first visit was in 1972, so 54 years ago.

01:11:06.140 There were religious neighborhoods, of course, and religious communities,

01:11:13.420 but Israel was a kind of mostly secular ideology,

01:11:22.040 and there were divisions about what to do.

01:11:26.080 I was there five years after the Six-Day War, so-called,

01:11:31.300 the 1967 war where Israel had captured the territories

01:11:36.140 of Palestinian areas of the West Bank

01:11:40.680 and East Jerusalem and Gaza

01:11:42.460 and there were debates about what to do

01:11:44.780 but a large part of the politics said,

01:11:48.940 well, yeah, we have to give these lands back and maybe there'll be a Palestinian state or maybe

01:11:56.340 there'll be some other kind of arrangement, but this is a temporary occupation. Of course,

01:12:04.660 Netanyahu's party, the Likud party, which has its founding charter in 1977, said in the founding

01:12:15.260 charter, all the land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea will remain Israeli

01:12:23.180 sovereignty. So the whole point of Netanyahu's party was to rule out a state of Palestine,

01:12:30.720 and of course to deny equal rights to the Palestinians that were under Israel's occupation.

01:12:38.180 So they created this racist state, and then things turned uglier and uglier over time, 0.85

01:12:47.460 because what emerged was not rabbinic Judaism, but a kind of muscular, fascistic Judaism. 0.92

01:12:58.620 This is the kind of Judaism of this Ben Gavir, and his party is called Jewish Power. 0.95

01:13:06.780 It's astounding. 0.73

01:13:08.180 And, you know, he celebrated, I think it was a birthday with a noose on the cake 1.00

01:13:14.600 because he wants to kill Arabs and he wants to torment them and torture them 1.00

01:13:21.300 and expel them, basically. 1.00

01:13:24.140 He's a monster. 0.83

01:13:25.080 And he represents what emerged in the 70s and the 80s and 90s, 0.99

01:13:33.300 a violent, radical, profoundly racist, increasingly religious approach.

01:13:43.500 Now, this sounds strange to us.

01:13:45.760 This is not what religion is about at all for me and for you.

01:13:52.680 It's the opposite of Christ's teachings, that's for sure. 0.99

01:13:56.740 And it's the opposite of Jewish ethical teachings.

01:14:00.640 But it harks back to a very complicated book in the Bible called the Book of Joshua,

01:14:10.180 which is a tale of repeated genocides by the Israelites conquering the so-called promised land.

01:14:18.480 It's actually, in historical terms, a political tract written in the 7th century B.C. that was a kind of a political tract in the style of the Mesopotamian glory writing of those centuries where the king said,

01:14:42.040 I killed all my opponents. I am the great conqueror. And this is exactly in that style,

01:14:50.120 as many scholars have shown, probably King Josiah in the seventh century BC. And it boasts of

01:14:58.180 genocides. And this text has now been taken on in a kind of religious zealotry and fervor that you

01:15:10.400 see, the Bible tells us you can commit genocide. And that's so perverse. It's beyond belief

01:15:22.040 and so completely the opposite of what 2,000 years of rabbinic Judaism is all about.

01:15:31.460 But it's a new kind of, they call it, you know, national Judaism. 0.98

01:15:39.600 It's national in the most vulgar sense, which is that the Jews are supreme and the Arabs need to be thrown out or killed or ruled over as non-citizens. 0.98

01:15:56.480 And these are all the options that are being played out right now. 0.99

01:16:00.760 So, Tucker, this is something new. This was not Israel 30 or 40 or 50 years ago. It is something new. 0.61

01:16:11.160 And of course, one of the tricks of Netanyahu's predecessor, Menachem Begin, and then really the calling card of Netanyahu himself, was to enlist the Christian evangelicals, not on the basis of certainly not Jesus' teachings, let me put it that way.

01:16:41.160 way, not on the basis of the Gospels, not on the Sermon on the Mount, not on the great

01:16:50.080 Prince of Peace and the greatest peacemaker in history, you could say, who taught about peace. 0.93

01:17:00.400 But to enlist a kind of basic, the Jews must be there because that's what the Bible says, and then we can have the final days or whatever. 0.90

01:17:16.580 And this created a lot of, also, the political base for Netanyahu's extremism in the United States. 0.75

01:17:27.980 So all of this is to say religion got hijacked, the Jewish religion got hijacked, and Christianity got hijacked, actually, in the cause of murders, which is extraordinary. 0.73

01:17:43.160 It's exactly the opposite of Christianity, and I would say it's exactly the opposite of Judaism. 0.56

01:17:51.720 But it got hijacked in a fervor of extreme racist nationalism, and it grew in the 70s, 80s, 90s.

01:18:05.040 I watched it grow because it was not there in 1972 when it was only showing its face in the 80s when the illegal settlements in the occupied territories started to grow in number.

01:18:21.620 And then a number of rabbis and one extremist from the United States, Mayor Kahana, who was the progenitor of Ben Gavir's extremism, came to the forefront.

01:18:38.300 And Netanyahu, because he's a—by the way, everyone I know, senior Israelis, say the same thing, that he's simply the most unprincipled, absolute, immoral, self-interested person imaginable, 0.60

01:19:04.960 completely manipulative, desperate for power, will do anything, he opened the door

01:19:13.380 to even more extremism than himself. And one of the subtexts of the last few days

01:19:22.220 is supposedly that even President Trump is telling Netanyahu, well, you got to get rid of

01:19:31.660 Ben Gavir and Smotrich. And supposedly, that's part of the negotiations going on right now,

01:19:42.580 because these people are so extreme, so vulgar, and in the name of religion, that it is

01:19:50.080 beyond what we could ever have imagined. And it is, just let me add, the ultimate lie

01:19:59.100 of saying that being against what Israel is doing is anti-Semitic. It's the ultimate, complete 0.58

01:20:07.700 lie and untruth, because to be against the murderous behavior of the Israeli state is 0.97

01:20:17.260 the most important defense of Judaism you can have. It's not against Judaism. It is the defense 0.66

01:20:26.360 of Judaism as a religion of godliness and ethics, not against it. And to stand by with mass murder, 0.71

01:20:35.580 that is a destruction, a manipulation, a hijacking of a religion. And every religious person

01:20:46.040 in our country should understand that. I mean, every preacher, every minister,

01:20:52.320 every priest should understand mass murder is against religion period yes the opposite of it

01:21:00.460 i love that so one last question jeff you mentioned meyer kahana and it's who's an american i think

01:21:07.420 from new york um murdered in the end in new york but it it's just another reminder that everything

01:21:14.300 that is happening in israel has been abetted paid for um populated by supporters of israel

01:21:24.040 the united states a lot of settlers are from the united states kahana was from the united states

01:21:27.380 the money comes to the united states america as a nation as a political system is clearly

01:21:33.880 going to withdraw is going to change its relationship distance itself from israel

01:21:38.020 what next for israel i mean that that has profound consequences for israel

01:21:42.860 so like what does israel do as that happens the american people are

01:21:50.020 demanding uh that we stop supporting this criminality this is clear and our politicians

01:22:00.820 will respond to that. They're winning elections on that basis. And they will continue to win

01:22:08.960 elections on that basis. And in 2028, just like you said, the candidate that says the American

01:22:16.860 people are decent people, and we are not going to abet this kind of regime that is violent, 0.76

01:22:26.300 that is in perpetual war, that is mass murdering Palestinian people, will be the one that prevails.

01:22:36.640 So America will absolutely stop its support. By the way, it needs to happen before they insert 1.00

01:22:47.040 this absolutely extraordinary clause in the defense legislation, which would basically turn

01:22:55.700 the Pentagon over to Israel. You know it's still pending, this attempt to merge Israeli security

01:23:07.940 and U.S. security, which would be absolutely the most shocking irresponsibility of American

01:23:15.540 politicians, the most shameful behavior imaginable of American politicians to say that at this

01:23:24.200 moment, we give a special relationship to Israel inside our security apparatus at the core. And

01:23:31.800 that's what a lot of these congressmen and senators are actually still trying to do in the

01:23:38.480 waning moments of this AIPAC-funded Congress. This is the end of that story, but they're still

01:23:47.200 trying to put some absolute horrible things in place before they depart at the start of the next

01:23:56.560 Congress. So what will happen to Israel? Israel will have some reckoning to do. Israel will not

01:24:07.880 be able to live in peace and possibly not be able to survive if it is attempting to 0.89

01:24:18.220 crush half the population of this shared territory. And it is half the population.

01:24:26.900 And I ran some demographics in the last few days to try to understand different scenarios. But

01:24:35.000 basically the Arabs and the Jews are going to be roughly 50-50 for the next 20 or 30 years 0.64

01:24:43.480 in this shared territory. So the thing that has been on offer for decades is that you make two 0.96

01:24:53.800 states, one that is Arab, one that is Jewish, and they live side by side. The irony of and the 0.65

01:25:02.820 cruelty of Netanyahu is that the Arabs have had an Arab peace initiative since 2002, putting this

01:25:12.400 clearly on offer. And of course, the Zionist phony rhetoric in our country and in our politics and

01:25:22.560 of course in Israel is, there's no one to talk to, implacable foes, and it's exactly the opposite.

01:25:28.620 it. 24 years, the Arabs have said, make two states. Then we're going to get along fine. We're

01:25:35.940 going to normalize relations. We're going to have a normal, peaceful Middle East. Okay? 0.99

01:25:45.400 Netanyahu's whole point, the whole party was, we'll never let that happen. And don't you dare

01:25:51.580 try to negotiate it. We kill the people we negotiate, that try to negotiate with us. 0.99

01:25:57.020 The other option is that it all slips away from these crazed people. And what ends up is a basic reality that Israelis have settled physically all over the West Bank and all over places that were to be the Palestinian state. 0.98

01:26:22.440 and they say, well, there's no way those populations are ever going to leave. 0.72

01:26:27.080 And then there's an obvious answer, and not a bad answer, which is, okay, we have one state. 0.70

01:26:34.640 You can call it Israel-Palestine. And there are plenty of places in the world like that.

01:26:41.140 It's called binationalism. It means two nations in one country. And I mentioned Belgium as an

01:26:48.860 example. Belgium actually has five parliaments. It's a very interesting political system.

01:26:55.640 It's got a national parliament. It's got a parliament for the Flemish-speaking population.

01:27:00.660 It's got a parliament for the French-speaking population. It's got a parliament for Brussels,

01:27:05.820 and it's got a parliament for a small German-speaking population. It's got five parliaments.

01:27:11.880 Well, you could have basically three. You could have a Jewish-Israeli parliament. You could have

01:27:18.100 an Arab parliament and you could have an umbrella, which would be the federal state. There are plenty

01:27:25.160 of places in the world that operate like that and operate peacefully like that. And so this may be

01:27:32.020 what happens in the end also, that there is not two states and there's not one racist state

01:27:41.000 killing half the citizens or half the people, because they're not citizens, I should underscore.

01:27:48.100 But rather, there becomes one nation, one state, actually one nation, let's say one state, sorry, 0.84

01:27:55.980 you could say two nations or two ethnicities, Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs.

01:28:03.080 And they self-govern for many, many issues.

01:28:07.900 And they govern together for the things that have to be governed together.

01:28:13.100 And maybe that's what's going to happen in the future.

01:28:16.080 There's a pretty significant movement of Jews who, for a long time, those who opposed the racism that has been underway for decades, most Jews, like myself, said two states.

01:28:35.780 Just have two states. 0.94

01:28:37.500 The Arabs have said it.

01:28:38.620 That's the international law.

01:28:40.000 That's the easy way.

01:28:40.840 But I can tell you there's a quite significant movement within the Jewish world, which says, OK, Israel didn't want two states, one state. That's fine. So, you know, we don't have to divide it anymore. Maybe it can't be divided.

01:28:57.700 but you create institutions so that Jewish people can govern themselves in many ways in education,

01:29:06.000 in religious affairs, in community affairs. The Palestinian Arabs do the same thing on their side

01:29:12.020 and on joint issues like the water supply and on transport and on other things. Then you have

01:29:20.320 a national government which combines the two. And there are many interesting devices. You know,

01:29:29.500 there are issues, for example, that are so important that they're called reserved issues

01:29:34.760 that both sides have to agree. It's not just a majority vote, but you have to have an agreement

01:29:40.280 on the Jewish side. You have to have an agreement on the Arab side in order to reach the national

01:29:46.140 outcome in areas that are reserved in that manner. All of this is to say, Tucker,

01:29:53.320 Israel in its current form, in its quest for greater Israel, in what,

01:30:00.360 um, sorry to say our U.S. ambassador, Mr. Huckabee said, reading some line of the Bible in the most

01:30:13.680 unbelievably naive way, I have to say, unlearned and naive and extraordinarily wrong way,

01:30:23.800 said, OK, they can have all this land. They can have all of it, maybe all the way to the

01:30:29.360 Euphrates, he said, you know, which is not exactly the way that we're going to find peace in this

01:30:38.260 world. That is over. That is at an end because that could only conceivably survive with American

01:30:48.960 backing. And yes, American politicians backed that for the last 30 years. They got a lot of

01:30:56.220 campaign financing. Like you said, it was just the normal thing to do. They didn't think the

01:31:02.040 American people were watching. Oh, so sorry for the Iraq war. Oh, so sorry for this war. Oh,

01:31:07.460 so sorry for this war. But now the American people are actually watching and they want the wars to

01:31:14.480 end. And Donald Trump did us a favor because he campaigned in 2024 to end these wars. Okay,

01:31:25.480 he broke his promise very vulgarly, but he opened the eyes of the American people. We know that he

01:31:34.940 lied and we know that the costs of this are huge and we don't want it anymore i i am so grateful

01:31:44.040 that you said that because i i was making this case at dinner last night with someone that for

01:31:47.980 all the the sting of the betrayal and the the horror and the outrage you feel at watching what's

01:31:52.240 happening it is also trump that by betraying his own voters and his own country revealed the deep

01:31:59.900 deep architecture uh of our government and like once you see it you can change it he promised

01:32:06.460 we were not going to do this anymore and it was a good promise and a lot of americans bought into

01:32:12.980 it i did yeah no and and and now we don't want this anymore no and i don't think we're going to

01:32:21.740 get it anymore jeffrey sacks thank you that there's no one who could have summarized that as

01:32:27.660 as crisply and wisely as you did so thank you for taking the time to do it always great to be with

01:32:32.020 you tucker thank you see you soon see ya that's it for us tonight thanks a lot for watching we'll

01:32:36.820 be back next wednesday night at 6 p.m eastern

The Tucker Carlson Show - October 29, 2026

Jeffrey Sachs on Netanyahu’s Struggle to Keep Control of the World’s Most Bloodthirsty Ethnostate

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