Jesse Kelly on why we keep voting for weak Republican leaders
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Tucker Carlson: 'An invasion is not too strong a word. It's not hyperbole, it's real. The country's being invaded. No one is stopping it. It is time right now for the states, especially red states, to re-examine the nature of their relationship with the federal government .
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Hey, it's Tucker Carlson. Welcome to our podcast. The main way that corporate media lied to you
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is by not telling you things, ignoring stories completely, particularly the important ones.
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We promise never to do that. You can check out tuckercarlson.com for a complete library
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of past episodes. Here's today's. Of all the crises unfolding simultaneously in the United
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States right now, only one has the certain capacity to change our way of life forever.
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Only one of them can't be undone, and that's the invasion taking place. An invasion is not too
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strong a word. It's not hyperbole. It's real. Take a look at the video on your screen. This was shot
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just outside El Paso, Texas. You can see the migrants cutting razor wire as they force their way
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into our country as they invade it. Again, this is not happening on the other side of the world.
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This is your country. This is Texas under siege by people of zero respect for our borders and laws,
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people whose first act as an American is to break federal law. But what's so interesting and maybe
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the most revealing of all is that no one is stopping this. And to the extent they're trying,
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courts are stopping them from enforcing the law. Courts have gone back and forth about whether
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Texas has the right to protect its own borders. What's so interesting really is that a bunch of
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other states and cities around the country for decades have been violating federal law, federal
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immigration law, by declaring themselves sanctuary cities. And no one's done anything about that at
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all. But here, one state trying to enforce the U.S. border with the rest of the world and is prevented
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from doing so by judges. It's hard to believe it. So how should Texas and the rest of the country
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proceed with that in mind? The country's being invaded. No one is stopping it. Well, Jesse Kelly,
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who is a talk show host and friend of ours from the state of Texas, recently tweeted an idea. Here's what
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he said. Ignore them, meaning the courts. Create a 10-state coalition to stand with you, meaning with
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Texas. Arrest and deport every illegal in your state. Arrest and try anyone from the federal
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government who tries to stop you. It's time. So we haven't thought through what exactly that would
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mean in practical terms or what the long-term effects of that would be, but it's impossible not
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to deeply sympathize with the spirit that animates it. And so we thought we would talk to Jesse Kelly
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directly. He's the host of the Jesse Kelly show, and we're honored to have him now. Jesse, thanks a lot
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for coming on. No, I appreciate it. So rather than try to characterize, as I just did, I guess,
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what you meant when you wrote that, why don't you tell us? Well, we're in a really bad spot, Tucker,
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and I don't celebrate what I'm about to say, but it is time now, not 10 years from now, not next year.
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It is time right now for the states, especially red states, to re-examine the nature of their
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relationship with the federal government, if I'm going to put it that way. And I want to be crystal
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clear about what I'm about to say. I do not want this country to break up, although I believe we
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are breaking up. I don't want anything like a war or violence. I don't want that. I don't want any
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individual American to do anything illegal. But red states must now, right now, begin re-examining
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the nature of their relationship with the federal government because the country is being undone.
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The country is being destroyed now, and there's nothing that can stop or reverse this unless red
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states take this step. Let me explain. Sorry to filibuster on your show.
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You're not filibustering at all. Let me explain. Right now, it's not an accident, as you well
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know. You talk about this all the time. It's not an accident what's happening on the border.
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The people who lead the nation from the federal level, that's Democrat politicians, half the
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Republican politicians, every bureaucrat, they are encouraging flooding the border with illegals.
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They're encouraging it. That's just what they want. They want America full of illegals,
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no loyalty to America, criminals, rapists, murderers. That is what they want. Because when
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you cause violence and chaos in a society, that's the fertile soil where communism grows. People will
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always turn to the government and beg them for help when that kind of societal collapse comes.
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So they know this. So they're inviting it. Well, other countries around the world are obliging,
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as countries always have in this situation. Hey, there's a country I don't particularly like.
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They have an open border. We do have this prison full of rapists. Hey guys, why don't you just
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move on to America? We know this is happening in countries like Venezuela, where they're emptying
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prisons onto the border. We don't have criminals coming here individually. We have entire criminal
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networks coming here. The country is being undone now, and it cannot be reversed what's happening right
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now. I want everyone to understand this. Let's say everyone gets their wish, and Donald Trump beats
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Joe Biden in November. And woohoo! You cannot possibly, it's not humanly possible, to deport
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this many people. If Joe Biden's going to bring in 10, 12 million people, almost all of them will be
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here permanently, and all of their children will be American citizens. And there's not going to be
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some mass deportation, no matter what people say on the campaign trail. The American people have no
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stomach for that whatsoever. Even if they think they do right now, it would be one video of a little
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boy crying as mommy gets thrown in the back of a paddy wagon to be deported. And all deportations
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would stop. Republicans would grab their ankles for the media like they always do. And everything,
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well, we need to do this more humanely. So that's the situation we're in. Well, where does that leave
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us? Where it leaves us is, you can decide to challenge the federal government at a state level,
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or you can lose your country. There is no third direction. Illegal immigration on this level will
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sink America in the same way, it doesn't matter how big or powerful a boat is, if it takes on enough
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water, it will go down to the bottom of the ocean. We cannot exist like this. So we are going to have
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to do things outside of the constitution. I don't celebrate that either. That's where we are. If
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I'm in a house, right? And in my house, let's say there's some weird ordinance in the city,
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some weird law in the city where I live, where I'm not allowed to do anything to the house. If
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there's any problems at all, it's a light bulb out or a fire, it is against the law for me to touch it.
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And I don't, and I abide by the law. But eventually I come home and the house is on fire and my sons are
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upstairs saying, dad, come help. Well, I'm sorry, law or no law, I'm going to get my sons.
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We cannot stand by and watch the United States of America be destroyed. And people have to
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understand how dire this situation is. This is the stated policy now of the Democrat party.
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So even if Joe Biden gets bounced in 2024, we get some deportations in the next time there's any
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Democrat president, it'll again be open season in the entire world. We'll know criminals, drugs,
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rapists, everything flooding into the country to destroy it. The time is now to create a coalition
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in a totally separate immigration force. That's what we have to do.
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Yeah. And let's just be honest. I mean, obviously I'm fervently rooting for Trump over Biden for many,
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many reasons, but Trump was president for four years and he didn't, he didn't even build a
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defensive border wall. Didn't. And I don't care. We can lie about that, but that's just the fact.
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So the idea that he's going to deport 10 million people is just don't, don't, don't lie to me.
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Look, I mean, not, not to interrupt, but along those, along those same lines, Tucker, sorry,
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but people have to do also remember, remember child separation policy, that's a basic border
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policy because people grab kids who aren't theirs and act like, Hey, I'm dad Pedro. And wouldn't really,
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he's not, he's some kind of cartel member. And so you always separate the kid and figure out,
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is he there with mom or dad? That was, that's a basic border policy. Look again,
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insult or don't insult. I don't give a crap if people are offended by it. The Trump administration
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ended that policy because of media and Democrat pressure. Democrats did a bunch of photo ops
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down on the border. AOC is crying at the fence. Eventually child separation was ended. That's
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because of media pressure and people in this country honestly believe there's going to be some
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mass deportation of 8 million people where you're rounding up entire families and shipping them back
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to Zimbabwe. You're outside of your mind. It'll never happen. The people have no stomach for it.
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And neither does the Republican party. So why doesn't, so you're in Texas, I think,
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um, you have a governor. He's a long time governor. He's a Republican. His name is Greg Abbott.
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His state is being destroyed. And it's very obvious when you go to Texas, I've been there a lot recently
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that it's already being destroyed. It just looks dirtier than it did two years ago. Cause it is.
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So why has he done nothing? Like what's his excuse?
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He's a Republican. That's what Republicans do. Republicans do nothing. Republicans have been
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in charge for, I don't know how long of managing the decline. I mean, look, it's, it's exactly a
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new insult to call the Republican party controlled opposition, but let's be frank. That's exactly what
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they are. Even Joseph Stalin allowed an opposition party. A lot of people don't realize this. He allowed,
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encouraged and in fact funded an opposition party to give the people of the Soviet Union
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an illusion of choice. Oh, no, no. These guys are against me. Wow. It's pretty scary,
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but somehow they never end up accomplishing any of their anti-Stalin goals. We're constantly told
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the Republican party is going to fight for us and protect the border and, and we'll cut your taxes
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and we'll be pro-life and we'll protect the family. Yet none of these things ever seem to
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materialize. They all talk about it during election season. I'll build the wall. And then you get there
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and you get 25 feet of wall and a bunch of excuses. Greg Abbott, if look, that's his excuse. He's a
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Republican. That's what they all are. That's why I'm an anti-communist. So I think that's a really
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smart and true description of what we're seeing. Let's say the red states won't do this because
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they're run by Republicans. At what point to people who live in the state and have children in the
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state, grandchildren in the state who are born in this country and don't want to see it destroyed,
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say, I'm just, I'm getting 10 of my friends. We're going to protect our stretch south of
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Carrizo Springs. Like how long until that happens? I understand the inclination for that,
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but what we're going to, like the revolution, the American revolution, sorry, I'm not going to get
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sidetracked, too sidetracked, Tucker, but the American revolution, we like to imagine the American
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revolution was just a bunch of American citizens picking up a musket, fighting against the British and
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creating the United States of America. We love that image in our head. And obviously a lot of
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that is true, but the American revolution is not successful without state power like France
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stepping in and giving us critical aid. We cannot protect this nation as 10 dudes going down in the
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border with some plates in your flak jacket that you bought on Amazon and an AR-15. That's not going to
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work. It's not going to be effective because the state itself is simply going to throw you in the clink
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because the state is the one facilitating the invasion. When the state is the one facilitating
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the invasion, anyone who tries to stop it goes to prison. Look at that United States Marine,
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Daniel Penny in New York, kills a guy on a subway protecting women. He's going to the clink.
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Everyone knows he's going to get convicted. We now live in a country where the elites on the top
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and the streets on the bottom are sandwiching the American people in the middle and they're
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attacking them from both ways. We must have some level of state power on our side. So when it comes
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to states like Texas and other states, what needs to happen instead of grabbing a rifle and going to
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the border is the American people need to start running these loser Republicans out of their state
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legislatures and out of their governor's mansions and out of the sheriff's office. The sheriffs are going
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to be critically important going forward. And I need to be clear, this is starting to happen,
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Tucker, slowly but surely. Texas state legislature just got put on notice. A bunch of these dorks at
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our state legislature got run out of the party of government in primaries because normal people
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are getting sick and tired of no action and they're running these people out. It's happening. It's happening
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slowly, maybe too slowly, too slowly when you consider the fact that the federal government is
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gleefully destroying this country. I haven't seen these people this happy since Pete Buttigieg and his
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husband took their baby home. Or went on paternity leave.
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Why is it that Republican states tend to have the least sincere Republican? Like Dan Crenshaw,
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apparently still a member of Congress from the state of Texas, who has zero interest in the U.S.
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border, all his interest is in the Ukrainian border, the Gaza border. How does a guy like that
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get elected in a supposedly Republican state? Well, complacency and life being good makes us soft,
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right? It's just the fact of life. It's one of those things humanity struggled with as soon as
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you get rich or well off or comfortable. How do you keep improving? How do you keep your edge? You
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rarely do. This is what's happened to red state Republicans. There's nobody more at fault for the
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condition of this country than red state GOP voters. And people get mad when I say that. But let me let me
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just go down the list here. Mitch McConnell, John Cornyn, John Thune, Tillis. I mean, look,
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you can go down the list. Every dork from Louisiana. The reddest states in this country give us the most
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putrid Republicans at the federal level. Why does that happen? Because the GOP primary voter in red
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states lives in a relatively normal place. He lives in comfort. He thinks he's got a red legislature.
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So he either doesn't vote in primaries. That's mostly the case. He's just going to sit at home.
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Or even worse, he goes to vote for Senator Dork, who he sees on Fox News every time. Well,
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Lindsey Graham was on on Fox tonight. I guess he's he's on my side. You should have nothing but disdain
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for virtually every single senator you see on Fox News. And yet people vote for who they see on
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television. Well, I met John Thune once and he was so handsome. He's very clearly on our side.
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John Thune supported gun control legislation. And John Thune on camera was asked to ask to
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back up American people owning AR-15s. And the best argument he could make for your liberty for the
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Second Amendment was that I kid you not, this is on camera. He told people, well, I mean, a lot of
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people use them to shoot prairie dogs. These are the weapons grade losers who control the GOP. And
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they're from the reddest states. It's under Susan Collins is understandable, Tucker. Sorry to get all
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fired up. It's understandable. She's from Maine. It's from a blue state. Of course, we're going to get
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some wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed dork from that kind of state. But the Dakotas, the Dakotas are so
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red. It's crazy. They could have somebody to the right of me if they wanted to, but they don't. Well,
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I saw him on Fox last night. I'll just gag me with a fork. Lisa Murkowski from Alaska. I mean,
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you just go down the list. They're absolutely they're absolutely the worst. So do you have any hope that
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this will happen? Yes, eventually. See, this is the problem. Everyone watching your show is going to be
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that hyper-informed person. Everyone watching us right now is going to be hyper-informed. And the
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burden of being hyper-informed, I'm glad everyone is hyper-informed, by the way, but the burden of
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that is you're always going to be 10 years at least ahead of the people who are in elected office. So
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we know it needs to be done now. This needs to be done now. It has to be done right now. We have to
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save this right now. But change doesn't happen that way. Changing the party into something that's
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actually anti-communist and pro-America is going to take time. It's going to take election cycle
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after election cycle. It takes years to get these losers out of DC, to get them out of your state
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legislature. It just takes time and effort. But we have to start taking ownership of that and getting
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more involved. Democrats participate in primaries. 50% of them go vote in primaries, Tucker. 25% of
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Republicans go vote in primaries. You want to know why the Democrat Party is the party of Mao
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now and the Republican Party hasn't advanced at all. That's exactly why. People sit on their butts.
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They don't get involved. And now look where we are. So DeSantis is now talking once again about
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sending illegals to Martha's Vineyard. He did that and then he kind of wussed out and kind of apologized
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for it or didn't press the point. But I noticed from traveling that rural areas, pretty rural areas,
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where you might go hunting fish, for example, are now filled with white liberals living in the
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whitest possible zip codes they can find. The ones who lecture you about white privilege are now
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living in much whiter areas than they did five years ago. Why not make this, you know, send the
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illegals to Martha's Vineyard, but also to Aspen, also to Bethesda, Maryland, to these strongholds,
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these all-white strongholds of progressive lunacy? Like, why not make that the policy?
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It should be this. It should be, and it shouldn't be, you shouldn't be ashamed of it. It should be,
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there should be caravans, busloads of these people shipped into these neighborhoods. But I'll tell you
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something, Tucker, even that might not affect, I mean, it would be good. We should do it. Even that
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might not change these people's minds. I had the wildest conversation, I forgot to tell you about
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this, with this lady. I won't go into details. We were in this big group setting and there were
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Republicans here, Democrats there. It was vacation. We ended up at this big table, like 10 people at
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this table, having a couple cocktails after dinner, just talking about life. And there were these two
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liberal white women from Chicago. And they loved their mayor, Brandon Johnson, loved them. They
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actually referenced him as B.J. was his name, right? B.J. I'm not kidding you not, they kept
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calling him B.J. I mean, like he's Kamala Harris or something like that. He's going to B.J. this and B.J.
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that. But I kept my mouth shut, Tucker, believe it or not. I know no one's going to believe that. I just sat
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there and listened, just watched and just listened as these people were talking. Well, there was this
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oil field guy from Texas. You love this guy, just total cowboy, red America, the great, all this.
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And he wasn't holding back. And he finally challenges this woman about the crime in Chicago.
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And he says to her, you talk about B.J. this and Chicago's great that. Look at these murder numbers
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and it's a disaster. And you got people taking over Union Square. It's crazy. How can you defend it?
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And Tucker, on my life, cross my heart and hope to die. This lady looked him right in the eye and she said,
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well, yeah, if you come to Chicago, you might get robbed, but you're not going to be targeted.
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That was her explanation. Well, yeah, you might get robbed here, but they're not going to target
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you for assassination. Why are you complaining? Chicago is wonderful. In her mind, that was a
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good explanation. People do not understand how sick the mind of the liberal white woman is.
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And they don't understand that that is the true beating heart of the Democrat party today. I'm not
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even actually trying to be mean about this. It's why they talk to him. Do people know that married
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women vote Republican? Married men vote Republican. Married men vote Republican. Single men vote
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Republican. But it's something like 77% of single women vote Democrat. And the majority, over 58% of
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those women have been diagnosed with mental illness. Single, miserable women who are clinically insane
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are the beating heart of the Democrat party. And that's why these people do the things they do.
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And that's why they do what they do when it comes to illegal immigration. Because single white women
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view illegal immigration like rescuing dogs who've been abused. Oh, sure. Everybody just come into my
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country. Please rape anyone you want. Of course, that's the right thing to do. No love of country.
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Just sitting there popping her anti-anxiety medication as she destroys Western civilization.
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That's the truth. I don't think you get the credit for being as deep and insightful as you are.
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Last question, since you live in Texas. Do you notice it? Do you notice the effects of this
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invasion on your state? Yeah, I'll tell you, Tucker, I don't live in Houston proper. I would
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never live in it. It's too blue. I don't live in blue areas. But occasionally we have to go in there
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if it's an event or if it's an airport or something like that. Especially over the last year, maybe last
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two years, it is noticeably dirtier, more dangerous. It's a place my wife will not venture
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now unless I am with her. It is very, very noticeable, especially in the urban areas and around
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the urban areas where these illegals know they can just disappear into the ether. They are protected
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in these places. They're provided for. I mean, my goodness. And the Venezuelans were shipping to New
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York City, have special Venezuelan cuisine courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer. So yes, anytime you're in one
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of these blue areas, especially Houston, Austin's really bad now. You notice it. It's bad. You can't
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drive a Ford F-150 pickup truck into the city of San Antonio right now. And if you do, you better have
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all your valuables out of it because it'll be gone about 15 minutes after you walk into Starbucks. It's
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bad now. Bad. But you mentioned the cost of it. I mean, it feels like, impossible to predict,
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of course, but it feels like the U.S. economy is hollow and maybe on the verge of like an actual
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reset where we have to face the fact that we're not as rich as we thought we were. If that happens,
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are people going to start to, do you think, notice that all the services they pay for are no longer
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available? Healthcare, education, the roads. Like, are they going to want to continue to pay for
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criminals from Venezuela to live for free in our country? Won't that change attitudes?
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Yes. Yes. They're going to want to continue to do it for a time, Tucker, because there's so much,
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there's so many lies out there that are created for people now, even normal people where they can't,
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they don't know how to access real, true information, especially if you're, and this is
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not insulting older people, but if you're an older, more traditional American, not even some America
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hating piece of trash Democrat, but just a normal American, you go to work, you have a family,
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everything else. And then at home, when you, when you're having dinner, maybe you finish dinner,
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you have a beer and you turn on what? NBC, ABC, CBS, you get caught up on the news of the day.
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Unless you are seeking out shows like this on X, podcasts, things like that, unless you're
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seeking out information, if you're just existing in the ether, you live in a world entirely of make-believe.
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Even the normal American doesn't understand what's going on, and they don't understand why
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they're seeing the things they're seeing. People don't, people who live in Southern California don't
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understand why the hospitals are closing. They don't, they don't totally get it. People in New York
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City don't understand why there's a new Spanish-speaking wing in Aiden, Jaden, and Braden's new
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elementary school. They don't quite understand what's happening. If you're in Chicago, you don't
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understand why now measles is making a comeback. People don't make the connection because they don't
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access true information. We're so demoralized as a people, and we've been so battered down by lies
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through our education system and media for years that we are a people very lost and listless right
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now, and we don't, we need, we need to find our anchor for sure. People like that can be destroyed,
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I think. Yeah. Well, that's why they did it. You know, you're right. Jesse Kelly, I sure appreciate
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that. Interesting. And as I said, just really insightful. Thank you. Be good, my brother. Thank you,
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