The Tucker Carlson Show - John Rich： Donald Trump, the Darkness of Eminem’s New Album, and the Song He Wrote Through God

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00:00:27.560 um so when you you texted me when was that what did you text me about texted you probably i sent

00:00:34.320 you the audio of it probably four months ago so i'm not a you know a musician or a musical performer

00:00:40.360 or anything like that so i don't you know i have no idea what's you know what the market wants or

00:00:45.460 anything like that but um when you said you were you've written a song about revelation i was like

00:00:52.200 well um it's a legitimate book of the bible but it's the one that preachers don't teach

00:00:57.300 that no one really wants to read and i'm thinking i don't that's so great i couldn't wait to talk to

00:01:02.320 you about it but yeah i didn't think that anyone it's an uncomfortable book so tell the story like

00:01:08.980 how i've never heard of anybody doing something like that right first of all what is revelation

00:01:15.280 revelation uh was written by the apostle john at the end of his life um when he was basically a

00:01:23.140 castaway at that point and he started receiving visions and prophecies and he wrote down what he

00:01:28.740 saw and a lot of what he saw you got to remember he only had his life experiences to try to describe

00:01:35.380 what it was that he was seeing in these prophecies he was on an island as i recall yeah out of patmos

00:01:40.400 yeah and uh so he was writing this out as it was coming can you imagine what he must have felt like

00:01:46.520 what is that what is that like he's seeing all these things that are going to happen thousands of

00:01:50.820 years in the future and he's trying to describe it to us uh in the terms that he was familiar with

00:01:56.640 so i mean the book is absolutely incredible and it's not just revelation revelation ties back into

00:02:02.980 daniel which was around thousands years before john yes it also ties into matthew 24 and second

00:02:08.940 thessalonians 2 and first corinthians and a lot of other places people think that the whole

00:02:13.760 end times discussion only resides in the book of revelation but that's not true so the book of

00:02:20.080 revelation tells the story of the end of history that's my read tells the story about about the

00:02:24.980 return of jesus christ yes it says it's telling you what is going to happen prior to him coming back

00:02:31.720 and what's going to happen after he comes back lays it out so how did you decide to write a song

00:02:41.000 about a book of the bible that most christian preachers don't want to talk about i did not decide

00:02:46.400 to write this song because first of all how do you sing what's in revelation i mean think about it

00:02:53.180 you know uh last november i'm at my house in nashville was not thinking about writing a song

00:03:00.260 about anything and out of nowhere it felt like a hammer hit me in the back of the head boom like that

00:03:08.940 like what is this what is going on what's this feeling and this melody and these lyrics oh revelation

00:03:15.160 i can feel it coming like a dark train running oh get ready because the king is coming the king is

00:03:20.860 coming back again just but i'm talking like that and i went where were you okay i was at home in

00:03:26.640 nashville just sitting in your living room just being just chilling out and i said okay i hear you

00:03:33.680 i grabbed a guitar off the wall a pencil a notebook went sat in a quiet room in the house and in about

00:03:38.960 60 minutes the entire song had come out i sang it into my little voice notes on my iphone put my

00:03:46.000 earbuds in and walked around the house just pacing around the house listening to it over and over and

00:03:50.520 the hair is raising up on my arm is this how part of my ignorance but is this how songwriters write

00:03:55.320 songs does this has this happened to you before is this nothing's ever the only other song i ever

00:03:59.640 wrote that felt like this was one called earth to god that i wrote a few years ago that was the

00:04:03.500 same experience with that but this one was more intense than that um you know when he hits you

00:04:09.340 you know it it is it is you cannot mistake uh when the lord slaps you upside the head with something

00:04:17.540 you have a physical reaction to it i do i have a physical reaction to it it does not happen very

00:04:23.640 often it's a very rare occurrence but when it happens listen what i'm built to do is take a pencil

00:04:29.840 and put the words on the paper put music to that and then project that out that i've spent my whole

00:04:34.620 career getting to a point where i'm pretty good at that except this message this message is beyond

00:04:41.220 and it's incredible that it hit me when it did in this period of time you felt like you were channeling

00:04:46.020 this i felt like he slammed it right through me and as i'm walking around listening to it and the

00:04:52.320 hairs raising up on my arms i remember looking out the window and i looked up and i went what do you

00:04:56.200 want me to do with this i mean what is what do you want me to do and the message i felt coming back to

00:05:02.460 me was take it all the way to the mat that's the phrase that hit me meaning make the audio as great

00:05:09.800 as you can with your skill set make the video as compelling as you possibly can and when you get

00:05:15.740 those things done tell as many people as you can slam it out there with no fear as hard as you

00:05:21.140 possibly can and let let this thing be heard that is your job go do it so you're describing a creative

00:05:27.540 process in which you're kind of like not driving the train at all at all no no because i didn't come

00:05:34.340 up with the song i did not lay out some marketing strategy for the song i was given instructions as

00:05:40.200 to what to do with it and listen uh it's it's an unnerving thing to write a song like that to sing

00:05:46.920 it and then put it out there in front of god and everybody especially in the way the world thinks

00:05:51.920 and operates today that's that's not what uh that's not what a popular artist would do i mean well what's

00:05:59.120 again i don't know anything about this world um but when you told me that i didn't even think about

00:06:04.560 you know would anyone download that song and then as of this morning it's one of the top downloads in

00:06:11.480 the country it's in all genres it's it's in the top five ish right now of all genres of downloaded

00:06:18.100 songs it's battling people like eminem who i looked up his record just to see what eminem's doing

00:06:24.360 one of the titles on his record is just called evil one is called lucifer and one is called

00:06:30.120 antichrist how crazy is that and so i see eminem and revelation of course he's got the entire machine

00:06:37.360 behind him i don't have anybody i don't have any you know any physical machine behind me and so to

00:06:42.500 watch those two songs sitting there uh coexisting was a pretty when you say machine to people who

00:06:47.960 weren't in the music business like maybe they don't know what you're talking about what are you talking

00:06:51.100 about massive record labels massive radio play massive budgets to to push and promote and manipulate

00:06:57.320 media and get get his get his song out there what is your record label doing for you my record label

00:07:04.300 yeah my record label is a p.o box called rich records llc so you don't have the president founder

00:07:11.020 and uh employee so you don't you don't have anybody pushing this song nope just the people that hear it

00:07:19.800 and if the song strikes them they they push it forward to whoever's following them so before we get into

00:07:26.400 what the song is actually about um will you just describe like how do you how do you roll something

00:07:33.300 like this out if you don't have publicists record label if you don't have the machine how do you do

00:07:39.500 that i do have a publicist so jules has been with me a long time so when it's time to roll she'll call

00:07:44.460 people and go hey john's got the song revelation would you interview him about it so we do do that

00:07:49.940 we go out and talk to people and you know come talk to you but beyond that uh nothing you just post

00:07:55.320 it i posted it on my x account at john rich and i went up there and i said this is the most important

00:08:02.620 song i've ever written it's called revelation i hope it brings courage to the saved conviction to

00:08:09.620 the lost and absolute fear to the truly wicked that was the post and within about 48 hours it's

00:08:18.780 now battling some of the biggest artists in the world that's all i said that's just absolutely

00:08:23.900 incredible and that's it there's nothing else that's it then the song and that video does its

00:08:29.860 thing you know it's it's got the boss's hand on it he he gave it to me he told me to write it so i

00:08:36.540 did and he told me to go put it out there so i did it's on him now what do you what do you think

00:08:41.880 the message so you basically have said that you didn't write the song the song came through you

00:08:45.740 that's correct and i know that may sound like some kind of weird thing for people to hear

00:08:50.240 but that is exactly what happened i'm not capable of writing lyrics like that and and first of all

00:08:56.960 they're not really lyrics it's they come right off the pages of the book man i mean it i just made it

00:09:01.980 rhyme i just made what john talked about in revelation i just made the crafted them so where

00:09:07.560 they would rhyme and become a song but you know the the the entrance of the song says

00:09:13.240 dancing in the flames the people cursed his name talking about jesus and bowed at the altar

00:09:22.520 of the father of lies but there's a number to their days and all their evil ways the lord's going to

00:09:29.220 turn away from all their cries meaning at the end and what that's talking about is when you watch the

00:09:35.640 super bowl halftime show or you watch the grammy awards or you watch some of these big concerts and

00:09:41.300 music videos where they are putting satanic symbolism right in your face they are they are

00:09:47.780 practicing witchcraft on the stage right in front of you you're watching a football game or an award

00:09:52.840 show and with your kids and now whammo straight evil coming straight at you we've all seen this now

00:09:59.220 somebody has to counter that you know these guys have all these massive budgets the entertainment value

00:10:06.780 that the ability to produce those things at such a high level it's impossible to look away from it

00:10:12.180 you know it's like boom pow huge special effects all this stuff and everybody's just mesmerized

00:10:17.600 and it's going right into them so on revelation we can just ask you to pause yeah go ahead i actually

00:10:23.660 haven't seen any of that because i don't have to be but um i've read that this happens yeah

00:10:29.400 why why are they putting why are they pushing satan worship on television because they're doing

00:10:38.540 the work of their father just like i am

00:10:42.140 wow um and there's kind there's kind of no denying i mean there's they're not getting richer by pushing

00:10:52.040 satanic symbols sure they are yeah yeah because the industry uh you know the way that the way those

00:10:57.660 movie industries music industries all of that now not everybody in those industries obviously is

00:11:02.700 you know some kind of a satan worshiper or something but there's a lot of that in there

00:11:06.880 there's a lot of that in there and they have spent decades programming us from a young age to think

00:11:14.380 those things are fine and normal and they get rewarded for that you know that people that people that

00:11:20.680 really serve the father of lies they get rewarded by him when they when they proclaim his word

00:11:25.980 and do what he tells them to do and so revelation is the other side of that that's why i went to such

00:11:32.820 extremes with this video because i wanted it to compete visually with what people are used to seeing

00:11:38.640 i didn't want it to be like some one-dimensional looking thing i wanted it to be up to the level to

00:11:43.700 what people are used to seeing if we're going to combat we're going to present both sides play at a

00:11:48.240 high level bring it at a high level and that's why we went so far with it it's just it's so

00:11:54.340 interesting to see the way you're framing this so it's it you're framing it very differently it's

00:11:59.140 not just that the the media and entertainment businesses are liberal or in the pocket of the

00:12:05.180 democratic party you're saying that they're pushing a theology on the country a hundred percent no doubt

00:12:12.680 about it you know the devil uh he's scared to death of jesus christ i mean it says in the scripture

00:12:22.620 resist the devil and he will flee from you flee like wet his pants and run out the door if you

00:12:30.080 deny him if you go nope of course with jesus in you you go uh-uh get out of here and he will he'll

00:12:38.400 take off running and so you're not supposed to have fear of him the only one you're supposed to

00:12:42.760 fear if you're a christian is not the ones who can kill your body it says don't fear the ones who can

00:12:48.780 kill your body fear the one who can kill your body and kill your soul meaning the creator the boss

00:12:56.080 jesus christ the trinity and so i look at this situation as man if he's going to hit me with this

00:13:02.020 song and trust me it makes me nervous i'm a i'm a little nervous right now just sitting here

00:13:06.720 talking about it but if he's going to task me with that someday when i go see him i'm gonna i'm gonna

00:13:12.900 have to answer for a lot of things i didn't do right but i hope this is one where he goes but you

00:13:17.720 did a good job on that one because i gave you the song i told you what to do with it and you did it

00:13:22.160 you put it out there it so when you say these things you're not saying them as someone who's

00:13:28.020 guessing i mean you've been in the entertainment business your whole life over 30 years since you

00:13:31.940 were a kid i think 19 19 so i mean you know how it works again this is not something that you read

00:13:39.100 it's something you've seen when did it become clear to you that this was a theology that these people

00:13:46.020 were working knowingly or not on behalf of evil actual evil like when did that dawn on you well it

00:13:54.120 became they got so arrogant with it it seems like in maybe the last less than 10 years it i don't

00:13:59.680 know what happened on their side but i guess they got the green light to go all the way in and that's

00:14:05.240 when you started seeing for instance grammy award performances where people are literally coming out

00:14:11.000 wearing satanic symbols they are carrying out i guess they were mock seances but i mean it looked

00:14:20.180 pretty real to me and all of this stuff started happening even some of your biggest artists in the

00:14:24.860 world during their live concerts in full of giant stadiums full of people are doing these things out

00:14:30.920 on the stage in between their hit songs they'll come out as just part of the production of the show

00:14:34.980 it's art it's just art i mean go look at there's a rapper named lil nas out there and trust me everybody

00:14:42.040 watching you won't know but everybody watching this most people will know what i'm talking about

00:14:46.120 when you see him uh giving a lap dance to the devil in his video straight up and they are not ashamed

00:14:53.720 about it you look at eminem's new record where the titles are lucifer antichrist evil this is out

00:14:58.560 right now so i don't know what happened on their side to go pedal to the metal with it but they

00:15:03.680 absolutely did so on the other side of that what are we supposed to do in response to that just yell

00:15:08.860 at it scream at it be disgusted by it you can do all those things well the first thing you should take

00:15:13.800 action is naming you're naming it you're which i think is so interesting you're calling it what it is

00:15:19.220 you're not falling for the lie which is this is just art right it's more than that i mean maybe

00:15:24.660 it's art we can debate that but it's certainly more than that this is a theology you're pushing

00:15:28.380 a religion on me yeah and it's a religion of darkness and lies right and they're you know

00:15:32.880 they're pushing the same uh their same theology because it is that on our kids they're pushing

00:15:38.800 it in schools they're pushing it in pop culture they're pushing it everywhere you turn around you

00:15:42.860 can't get away from it i mean we're inundated with it right now we are swimming

00:15:46.520 and what these people have put out there it's again it's just really important to know what

00:15:53.720 you're dealing with and to say it out loud yes i think if you had said that to me five years ago

00:15:59.700 i would have thought well you know really like john rich a little far out um nothing i'm saying right

00:16:06.700 now okay anybody that's had a tv set on in the past year knows what i'm talking about it's just beyond

00:16:13.400 um thank you for saying that so tell us about revelation you said revelation is the story of

00:16:20.240 jesus coming back right um what's in it exactly because i think even a lot of christians haven't

00:16:27.040 read it carefully don't understand it don't want to confront it what what is it so in in in this song

00:16:35.180 and in this video what what it is talking about is what the real war is lord's gonna turn away from

00:16:41.700 the real war is not trump and biden the real war is not left and right the real war is not culture war

00:17:09.420 it says in ephesians we wrestle not with flesh and blood but with principalities and powers and

00:17:16.880 the rulers of spiritual darkness of this earth of this world that is the battle that's the real battle

00:17:22.920 and and they say you know in the bible it says you can't see that because there's a thin veil between

00:17:27.740 the physical and the spiritual what's going on just on the other side of the veil but when you read

00:17:33.460 daniel and you read revelation it says at some point that veil will be torn which my song talks

00:17:39.240 about that and when that veil is torn you'll be able to see what's going on on the other side of

00:17:44.840 that and so in the video you see the devil come blasting through a fiery portal out in the woods

00:17:50.920 of tennessee on one side of a little country church on a black horse and he starts running

00:17:55.180 and he looks nasty it's nick searcy by the way the actor my good friend he plays the devil he's one

00:18:01.660 of the nicest guys you ever met so it's funny that he's the devil but he plays a good one and on the

00:18:05.840 other side of that church out in the woods in tennessee this massive beam of energy comes crashing

00:18:11.760 down to the ground and the trees go like this and out of that blast comes michael the archangel and

00:18:17.800 he pulls a broad sword out of his sheath and he start and he grits his teeth and this guy's got

00:18:22.880 muscles that's hollywood yates my buddy from california he comes walking straight towards

00:18:27.800 the devil and they're coming like this and i'm standing in the middle i'm humanity and here's

00:18:33.060 evil and here's righteousness and they are about to clash and the point of that is to put into people's

00:18:39.740 mind a representation of what is spiritual warfare i wonder what it actually looks like and i did the

00:18:45.500 best job i could trying to depict that but when you see those scenes i think that's one reason why this

00:18:50.860 song is doing what it's doing because to my knowledge nobody's ever even approached this

00:18:56.360 subject in the world of music or video amazing so why is it um why is revelation so hard for people

00:19:05.620 to to grasp to read to understand so for thousands of years um the prophecies and revelation and daniel

00:19:15.620 other places seemed like such science fiction to people they just couldn't understand how these

00:19:20.620 things were even possible including my own dad who's been preaching since he was about 19 he's in

00:19:25.300 his early 70s now and he said yeah john you know just never could understand how some of these things

00:19:32.060 were possible for instance the mark of the beast how is it possible we would all say that you could

00:19:39.260 track every human being in the world and know where they are and how they get their money and where

00:19:43.620 they spend their money i mean that's just impossible and here we sit going oh no they're tracking us

00:19:49.000 right now they know exactly where we spend our money and where we get our money because it says

00:19:53.480 you won't be able to buy or sell unless you have the mark of the beast you could you could replace

00:19:58.520 the word beast with system revelation says that oh yeah without the mark won't be able to buy or sell

00:20:04.080 unless you bear the mark of the beast and when you when you go back and look that up in the hebrew

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00:23:45.440 what is the what is the beast the beast is going to be whatever entity a group of nations it speaks of

00:23:57.640 that will set into motion we always talk about globalists and the globalist agenda and all these

00:24:03.000 things it will be a a globalized stranglehold on the human population that they will know

00:24:10.800 where you spend your money where you get your money reminds me of central bank digital currency

00:24:17.820 if something like that so i've read i'm embarrassed this is being recorded i probably

00:24:21.800 shouldn't admit this i've read revelation actually i tried to understand it um last year

00:24:26.200 i didn't realize it said how did i miss that it says you can't buy or sell without the mark of the

00:24:33.160 beast without the mark yes john on the apostle john on some greek island 2 000 years ago said that

00:24:39.760 yes he did yes he did and so so prior to technology showing up where it's at now in 2024

00:24:46.600 these things were impossible couldn't i mean this how's that going to happen that's a pretty

00:24:50.440 specific call though to very specific yeah so now all the things that need to exist physically

00:24:58.260 are all here now so that the prophecies that have been laid out could now physically manifest now i

00:25:04.720 don't know if that's going to be today or a hundred years from now or a thousand years from now i don't

00:25:08.980 know the answer to that but i do know this is a new era so when you read revelation and you read

00:25:14.840 daniel and you read these other these other prophecies it's now doesn't sound like science fiction

00:25:20.000 anymore because we see it every single day that is absolutely crazy is that a light bulb going off

00:25:26.860 or what well yeah yeah i don't and i also don't quite know how i read the whole thing and didn't

00:25:33.000 catch that well it's a because that is this that is one of the central questions i mean that's like

00:25:38.320 top three question of our current moment is will we allow technology to take our autonomy away

00:25:44.880 and for example control what we buy or sell i mean right well i mean yeah with the advent what

00:25:52.080 we've got ai now in the mix we've got all these things that i mean we already know they they track

00:25:57.060 us we already know they know where we spend our money we already know all those things i wanted to

00:26:01.080 talk about you know spiritual warfare we just saw president trump almost murdered on stage and

00:26:08.960 everybody i've heard talk about it even his detractors say that was an act of god that he did

00:26:16.140 not die yes it was it was also an act of god that the situation was allowed to happen in the first place

00:26:22.340 don't forget that part it's all an act of god all of it so the lord allowed the situation to happen and

00:26:30.880 then he allowed donald trump to survive the situation i wonder i had this thought this

00:26:38.080 morning before i came and saw you and i was reading and thinking praying about it and i said

00:26:43.420 i wonder if what just happened to donald trump this near-death experience he just survived

00:26:50.680 is not an analogy for what's about to happen to the united states of america is america at some

00:26:59.900 point gonna have a near-death experience but survive it but nevertheless have a near-death

00:27:05.940 experience you know if you look at america nobody's ever been more blessed than america

00:27:11.940 nobody's ever been more prosperous than america more free than america we've been given every

00:27:16.100 possible thing you could ever want life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and what has our country

00:27:21.920 done with that not every person but as a whole what have we done with that how much blasphemous

00:27:28.880 things have come from this country and exist unchecked right now in our society and i think

00:27:35.280 to myself well is america immune from the wrath of god are we immune from it because i'm pretty sure

00:27:41.860 he's really upset with a lot of the things we've done and i think the only way people ever truly repent

00:27:47.960 and come back around is to have those what we could call a near-death experience that those experiences

00:27:54.460 happen throughout the bible where uh saul from uh futurely known as paul who wrote most of the new

00:28:00.700 testament his whole job was to go out and hunt down christians and cut their heads off that's his job

00:28:07.900 he was good at it he was ruthless town to town to town they oh saul's coming hide hide he cut their

00:28:15.120 heads off cut their heads off and then on the road to damascus he gets knocked flat on his butt and is

00:28:21.820 blinded for several days and in those moments he realized oh wow he's real i've been cutting the

00:28:29.220 heads off of his people this entire time and he had a near-death experience and when paul came when paul

00:28:35.200 saul came out of that he then became paul and then he wrote half of the new testament this is not new

00:28:41.340 in in god's mo when the bible's when when god says about himself i am the same yesterday today and

00:28:48.060 forever my word does not change we change culture changes the world changes but he doesn't so i however

00:28:56.280 he dealt with things all the way back to the beginning of the written word is exactly how he's

00:29:00.880 going to deal with them now and into the future and that is something people don't want to come to grips

00:29:05.260 with they america likes to make jesus into their own image a lot of christians like to make jesus in

00:29:11.960 their image they want the version of jesus that they like they like the savior part they don't like

00:29:17.180 the lord part it's lord and savior what's the difference well the savior part is is the part

00:29:23.240 that saves your soul and you you get to go be with him when you die the lord part he refers to uh

00:29:30.800 his people as bond slaves bond slaves we are supposed to be bond slaves to christ meaning you are a piece

00:29:39.980 of property he owns you you don't have your will does not matter what you want to do does not matter

00:29:47.080 he owns you that's what it means to truly become an actual real christian as you turn everything over

00:29:54.100 to him it's like the the what does it mean to repent what does that mean repentance is like uh if

00:30:02.900 you were if you were driving your truck out here and you saw jesus christ standing on the side of the

00:30:07.420 highway you go holy cow jesus standing on the side of the highway he needs a ride so you pull over

00:30:13.340 you roll down the window you go hey jesus you need a ride and he goes yep and he walks around to your

00:30:18.820 side of the car and knocks on the door and says move over and he sits behind the steering wheel and

00:30:24.480 turns a u-turn and goes the other direction or wherever he wants to go that's repentance repentance is

00:30:31.480 not i like the savior part i don't like the lord part it's just like belief and faith the difference

00:30:36.820 between those two things the devil himself believes in jesus christ he knows all about him he's been

00:30:41.660 fighting with him since the beginning belief i'm listen what is this it's a chair it's a nice chair

00:30:47.320 good strong chair made well before i sat down in this chair i look at that chair and i go i believe

00:30:53.660 that chair will hold me up i really do it's a nice chair strong chair but until i sit down in the chair

00:30:59.940 i don't have faith that the chair will hold me up you have i have to trust and and have faith in this

00:31:06.880 chair that i will not go crashing down to the floor when i sit down on it that's what faith is

00:31:12.100 the jesus that um exists and whose words and deeds are recorded in the new testament

00:31:20.360 how is that jesus different from the one that we hear about in a lot of churches

00:31:26.840 you know um there's a verse i actually printed it out i know it but i just i don't want to misquote

00:31:34.160 uh scripture at all second chronicle 7 14 very well-known verse gets quoted all the time

00:31:43.480 if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from

00:31:51.940 their wicked ways then i will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land

00:31:58.620 okay that gets read all the time here's the part they missed tucker the very first line if my people

00:32:05.500 will repent if my people will turn from their wicked ways not the devil's people he's not saying

00:32:13.400 yeah if the devil's followers will just repent and turn around i'll come heal your land no he said if

00:32:18.060 my people will mine the ones who have my name who bear my name christians if they will repent and turn

00:32:27.440 from their wicked ways and humble themselves i will come heal their land so the answer to your question

00:32:32.460 is for a very long period of time in this country we've not had any type of persecution or horrible

00:32:40.460 things happening that would that would humble a christian like that and refocus them to understand

00:32:46.000 who he actually is and so because of that all these bad things are happening now that is not going

00:32:52.420 to be preached in a church i promise you tucker no preacher is going to say it's our fault that this

00:32:57.940 is happening why because it puts the onus on them on me on you on christians they don't want to have

00:33:05.000 to take that what it can't be my fault this is all the devil's work well it says right here if my people

00:33:10.540 if my it says it right there if my people who are called by my name humble themselves and pray and

00:33:16.180 seek my face and turn from their wicked ways dude read what it says i mean for too long preachers have

00:33:24.300 gone in and and sanded the edges off of these very literal and very powerful verses to suit the

00:33:31.160 narrative it's not it's not unlike uh what they do in the media we always talk about how the media will

00:33:35.980 take a a story about how a war started or some some big thing that's going on and they'll twist it

00:33:42.640 around to fit the narrative that they want to have to accomplish whatever it is well the same thing

00:33:48.040 happens with scripture all the time and it's been happening for a very long time i would i would say

00:33:53.520 even hundreds of years it's been happening so it is interesting the i mean they replace the white

00:34:00.640 house replaces easter with trans visibility day they put an old lady and many others in prison for

00:34:08.020 praying in an abortion clinic these are obvious attacks on christianity um putting christians in

00:34:14.000 prison because they're christians that's an attack on christianity and you haven't heard a ton from

00:34:19.140 preachers on that i mean some but you'd think they would be rising up as one and saying no no not allowed

00:34:26.280 but they're not and so it does feel like if there is pushback against us well you're a country music

00:34:32.380 star and you're pushing back why is it falling to you that's a great question i mean trust me i'm going

00:34:39.600 i'm asking the same question um but if you read back through the the history of the bible some of the

00:34:44.500 people that came forward and and brought messages forward were the most unlikely human beings you would

00:34:50.840 have ever picked almost almost all the 12 disciples i mean a bunch of sailors a tax collector i mean

00:34:57.600 random people that became the 12 disciples are saul going into paul i mean the guy that's murdering

00:35:05.920 the christians we're going to have him write most of the new testament guys that's the plan really

00:35:09.540 i mean who would have thought that no it's you're totally right go back to go back to moses you know

00:35:14.100 moses uh did not want to did not want to go tell pharaoh to let my people go he goes it says that

00:35:19.760 moses basically had a speech impediment he couldn't speak well yeah he goes you want me to go give this

00:35:24.680 big message to pharaoh i can't even speak very well he goes yeah but your brother aaron can so aaron's

00:35:29.900 going to go with you and aaron's going to help you speak and tell but you're going to be the one

00:35:34.240 delivering the message moses like i don't want to do this i don't want to do this he goes you're

00:35:38.580 going to do it and he goes okay fine i'll go do it i mean and moses doesn't even have like he's so

00:35:44.700 mad at his own people that at one point he says to god just kill me i can't deal with these people

00:35:48.520 they're hard right exactly why did you pick this guy david is a great example so david david is the

00:35:56.400 only man in the bible that god said is a man after my own heart i got to be the greatest compliment

00:36:01.700 ever given to a human being for god to say david is a man after my own heart but let's let's think

00:36:07.400 about who david was for a minute so david when we first really start learning about him he's a shepherd

00:36:12.340 boy probably a teenager and the israelites are facing off with the philistines and they refuse

00:36:20.300 to take on the philistines because of this giant standing out there named goliath we all know this

00:36:25.260 story and david goes to visit his brothers out there in the field and he's like why are you guys

00:36:30.460 not why are they still over there blaspheming us i mean why haven't you taken these guys out and they

00:36:35.580 go well david don't you know they've got a giant he goes oh that's why you're not doing it because

00:36:40.300 they got a giant well yeah he's 10 feet tall he goes oh okay i'll be right back and david runs down

00:36:46.400 to the creek and he picks up a few rocks and has his sling on him he goes watch this wham he lets

00:36:52.980 the rock fly hits goliath right between the eyes and knocks him down people think that that's what

00:36:58.120 killed goliath but that's not what killed goliath that's what knocked him down and so when he knocked

00:37:02.480 him down there's goliath laying there dazed and confused like wow what just happened and as he's in

00:37:07.180 that state david pulls goliath's own sword out of out of goliath's sheath which was probably heavier

00:37:12.940 than he was raised it up over his head and cut goliath's head off in front of the philistines

00:37:19.080 and the hebrews and then he turns around and looks at the hebrews go you ready to fight now

00:37:23.140 and they went wham and here they come and they destroyed the philistines they ran them completely

00:37:28.600 out of there so if david's a man after god's own heart and that's how david operated

00:37:33.380 i would argue that's how christians are supposed to operate there's a difference between you know

00:37:39.060 the scripture it says pray for your enemies you know that one of course there's a difference in

00:37:44.700 our enemies and god's enemies does not say to pray for god's enemies matter of fact it's the quite

00:37:52.520 opposite of that in proverbs 6 people that say well god loves everybody nowhere does it say that

00:37:59.500 proverbs 6 it lists the people that god hates it uses the word hate and one of the first thing

00:38:05.040 he lists is those whose feet are swift to shed innocent blood yes he hates them we are not supposed

00:38:11.680 to pray for them and you go into psalms 139 and david says i hate your enemies talking to god with a

00:38:18.440 perfect hatred that's what he wrote down so there's a lot that christians are confused about right now

00:38:26.000 it's all kind of mangled up and mished and mashed together from from all the centuries of preaching

00:38:30.800 this stuff that they have lost their edge they've forgotten who they are and they've forgotten

00:38:36.440 how jesus operated how his people operated and where we're supposed to land when this is all said and

00:38:43.060 done especially when you were taking on the absolute evil that runs the world like we talk about in

00:38:47.820 ephesians the spiritual warfare it's interesting i i learn most by sort of negative assessments in other

00:38:54.640 words if you look at people who you know are doing the wrong thing um what do they hate what are they

00:39:00.680 opposed to and that tells you a lot and they're so focused on christians who are the most peaceful

00:39:08.200 law-abiding decent even if you think they're insane they're they're definitely not mugging anybody

00:39:15.380 right why are you mad at them right but they are and they feel very very threatened christian nationalism

00:39:21.220 yeah you know what i mean do you really think that those are the people you need to worry no you want

00:39:25.780 more people like that but the the people in charge don't feel that way they're very threatened by the

00:39:31.700 christians and i just think that that's the most revealing of all yeah because they know who dwells

00:39:37.100 within the christians the boss the ultimate the alpha the omega the one whose blood was poured out

00:39:44.980 on a tree for us that's who lives inside of us the one who created the devil himself

00:39:50.580 that's who they're afraid of so you said a minute ago that um that history will end time will end

00:39:59.080 jesus will return you don't know when right it says we don't know exactly okay so can you and i i get

00:40:05.620 at least once a day someone coming by my house and leaving me something about the end times and which

00:40:10.920 i appreciate of course and um no i'm i'm actually serious sure and uh every single day and that's

00:40:17.640 great and i and i've met a lot of the people and that couldn't be nicer but in some of the stuff that

00:40:22.480 they leave which i read actually um there's a sense that like we can predict through numerology for

00:40:28.180 example like the day this is history's ending and you're saying we can't no the bible says we can't

00:40:34.240 i'm not saying anything the bible says uh no man knows the time nor the hour when jesus will return

00:40:39.800 and that's correct nobody knows can i back up 200 years with you real quick i know you love history

00:40:48.960 yes 200 years ago basically in 1830 a very wealthy very charismatic preacher named john darby d-a-r-b-y

00:41:00.100 came with this doctrine that's now referred to as the secret rapture or the pre-tribulation rapture

00:41:08.520 and that message took off why wouldn't it i mean who doesn't want to hear that we'll all be out of

00:41:15.620 here before anything bad happens that's a great message that'll that'll pack the fuse right there

00:41:19.660 i love it and and it allowed them to say for all we know the rapture could happen before this church

00:41:24.520 service ends right now so you better move and i guess to that end it had a great effect a lot of

00:41:29.040 people a lot of people got saved over that who came up with the idea that you only vote in november

00:41:34.380 in elections no you vote every single day with your time and your money you show your preferences

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00:43:14.040 a few decades after that a guy named c.i. schofield have you ever heard of a schofield bible yes i have

00:43:33.200 okay so c.i. schofield was a basically a student of john darby and he adopted that part of the

00:43:40.040 doctrine and he incorporated that into the bible it was the first bible ever made that had study notes

00:43:45.400 with it we have all kinds of bibles now that have you know concordances and study notes and all kinds

00:43:50.040 of stuff that go along but this was the first one that was ever ever made it became so popular

00:43:55.180 every christian was reading it every minister was reading it and this this continues today to this exact

00:44:00.900 second my own dad when he went in seminary and was you know wanting to become a minister they said

00:44:07.080 make sure you have a schofield bible now when you come to class have your schofield bible schofield

00:44:11.800 bible also adopted that that entire john darby philosophy of christians will not be here when the

00:44:19.120 bad stuff starts to happen and most christians still believe that matter of fact a lot of my friends

00:44:24.220 that are christians are going to watch this interview are probably right now going hang on a minute

00:44:27.720 now hang on so this is a this is pushing back against a doctrine that's been in existence now

00:44:34.660 for coming up on 200 years the problem with that doctrine is there's a several places in the bible

00:44:41.500 where it talks about what's going to happen prior to jesus christ coming back to the earth when he does

00:44:49.200 come back that is when what we call the rapture happens the word rapture is nowhere in the bible it

00:44:53.580 talks about us being caught up with him and pulled out of here and then and then the ultimate wrath is

00:44:58.080 poured out on this planet that's what we call the rapture but so that's not in debate the question is

00:45:03.940 what happens leading up to that it's a good question to ask right for some reason nobody ever preaches that

00:45:09.700 they don't want to talk about what all happens prior to it so if i can can i just read if we have

00:45:15.720 time that's why i love the thought of this interview just oh i do too but just to be clear

00:45:20.060 what you're saying is the scofield bible its theology is deceptive i'm saying that the same

00:45:27.360 way the media takes a factual situation and twists it and gives you a version of it which we all know

00:45:34.940 we're force-fed every single day the same exact tactic was used in 1830 by john darby and guess who

00:45:42.940 he was connected to by the way the rothschilds interesting yeah he was connected to the rothschilds

00:45:49.120 family back in the day that he did the same exact tactic and twisted that i don't know why he did

00:45:54.040 that it worked because it took off and i mean it was there were churches popping up everywhere

00:45:59.340 right after that i'm saying that including me including my own father for a long time that's what

00:46:06.980 we believe too but when you start actually going back and reading line by line by line what is said

00:46:11.920 that will be leading up to jesus coming back which is when the rapture happens it's a it's the inverse

00:46:17.220 of what john darby put down i didn't know that uh but somehow i'm not surprised even a little bit

00:46:24.760 yeah yeah um yeah i'm sorry i interrupted you i just want to be totally clear about what you were

00:46:31.080 saying so you're saying you want i'm curious how you take this what i'm telling you right now i don't

00:46:35.060 know that personally i mean i know nothing about any of this stuff um but i decided to read the bible

00:46:41.680 about a year and a half ago i did um and it really just changed my life i just thought it was just the

00:46:47.480 most amazing thing i've ever read or or done uh but when i decided to do that i'm so distrustful

00:46:54.320 you know i didn't grow up around preachers but i i have real distrust and i think it's earned and so

00:47:01.220 i didn't want any commentary in my but the bible that i bought on amazon.com

00:47:05.700 thanks jeff yeah i just want to know what it says and um so yeah i and uh to this day including

00:47:15.220 this morning i mean i just i just want to because i'm coming from total ignorance that my father was

00:47:19.420 not a preacher not to put it mildly so um yeah i don't have the background at all so i just want

00:47:25.160 to know what it says i don't want to be misled i've lived a life uh you know in the media so i'm

00:47:30.780 highly familiar with how populations are misled lied to deceived and then hurt on the basis of

00:47:37.580 those lies i know a lot about that and i didn't want that i don't want that's why i don't have tv

00:47:41.160 that's why i don't like the internet i don't want that stuff in my head and so i have no commentary at

00:47:45.100 all in the bible that i'm reading and um but my sense was the scofield stuff which has had

00:47:50.760 massive implications uh for our foreign policy for example and in our domestic politics was was

00:47:57.220 probably a lie you know it seems like a lie to me but i but i don't really know because i don't think

00:48:02.360 i don't think all of it was a lie i think this this particular subject uh that that was you know

00:48:08.560 that that translation or that that commentary on uh the bible has had massive effects on our politics

00:48:17.920 that have been very very negative and resulted in the deaths of a lot of people so i do know that

00:48:23.780 for a fact but i don't know much about the theology so would you mind explain i interrupted you you're

00:48:29.360 gonna get to that you're not interrupt to me this this is a great it's very powerful conversation i

00:48:34.040 don't i think we're the only two humans on earth having this conversation in front of everybody i

00:48:39.060 feel like people are very open to things that well i speak for myself i i had zero interest in having

00:48:44.680 any kind of conversation about the bible three years ago right um not against the bible never been

00:48:49.520 against the bible i believe in god i believed in god three years ago but i i wasn't that interested

00:48:54.180 in talking about revelation i mean i'm right i'm a wasp you don't talk about that stuff so um but i feel

00:49:00.300 like it's not just me i think that a lot of people are reaching the conclusion that the materialist

00:49:06.380 society we grew up in you know is insufficient to explain what we're seeing yeah and that we're

00:49:13.660 facing off against these forces we ascribe names to them like leftism or communism or there's

00:49:19.320 something that's more than that those are that that doesn't tell the whole story this is a theology

00:49:23.600 that's being pushed on us and so maybe it's worth knowing more about it yeah i think people are

00:49:29.080 watching what's happening in our country and around the world and they're becoming more and more fearful

00:49:33.180 of it even to the point of dread a lot of people are just consumed by what is happening that's right

00:49:38.040 and they want answers they want a truthful answer will somebody please tell me the truth and the truth

00:49:43.120 about that is the only ultimate truth is not me and it's not you and it's not any politician or

00:49:48.660 anybody on tv it's what the book says now if you're if you're watching this and you go i i don't believe

00:49:54.640 in i'm an atheist and that whatever that doesn't matter that's fine but if you're watching this you're

00:50:00.400 going to hear it anyway because it is the truth and the truth has a way of penetrating well i would

00:50:04.140 also say this is how i felt about myself like i had all kinds of opinions about god and religion and

00:50:08.560 all that stuff but it's kind of hard to have it's like i have lots of opinions about anna karenina

00:50:14.240 but i've read it i mean i guess it's just worth reading the document and it's long it took me you

00:50:21.600 know 15 months to read it or 14 months but it's work it's like no one has read it just read it and

00:50:28.220 then get back to me and let's have a conversation about what what's in there right that's like the

00:50:32.020 first step just read it maybe you're an atheist maybe you're christopher hitchens it doesn't matter

00:50:36.260 just read what's in there by the way that's the foundation of western civilization so just as a

00:50:41.040 you know as a historical matter you should know what's in there but nobody does agreed very few

00:50:46.340 people do so why is it dangerous right now that christians have this idea that they're going to

00:50:56.620 be out of here before any of the things that are prophesied about happen why is that dangerous it's

00:51:01.360 dangerous because when the mark of the beast shows up when the son of perdition shows up who is who

00:51:08.020 referred to as the antichrist when those things happen and they're still here they'll say well

00:51:15.440 that can't be the mark of the beast that can't be the antichrist because i'm still here what danger

00:51:22.040 does that put someone in that's not the mark of the beast because i'm still here so go ahead sign

00:51:26.380 me up think about the the level of danger with that and it has not existed in my opinion until

00:51:32.700 recently since technology has gotten to the point to actually execute these things so if if you got a

00:51:39.160 second can i can i read something for you or unless you want to ask me something yeah so uh lexi's just

00:51:44.280 come in with this yeah uh breaking news judge dismisses classified documents case against donald trump

00:51:53.380 judge eileen cannon has dismissed the classified documents case in a ruling monday

00:51:57.760 uh she said the appointment of the special counsel jack smith violated the constitution

00:52:02.240 well that's kind of um i mean i'm just hearing this because it just happened but uh

00:52:08.220 it does it does seem like all of a sudden and i'm sorry to interrupt but i just don't respond to that

00:52:16.100 um it seems like everything has aligned in the period of like three days to make it very obvious

00:52:23.400 donald trump's gonna be the next president there's no doubt about it at this point very little doubt

00:52:27.600 to the extent you can tell the future but what do you make of that uh well they tried to kill him

00:52:33.860 yeah well well there's that i mean and they missed or god turned his head and they missed and then

00:52:41.260 within like four minutes elon musk endorses him richest man in the world right biggest most

00:52:46.440 important media mogul in the world by far and you know bill ackman lifelong democrat it's like all of

00:52:53.180 a sudden it's just everything changes in one moment well when god shows up uh that clearly it's hard for

00:53:00.100 even the biggest detractors to deny it they go what did i just watch you just watched god turned

00:53:07.440 donald trump's head literally a split second part of a second right before the bullet whizzed by i mean

00:53:13.560 if he'd have still been looking this way it catches him here he turns this way it catches him here we

00:53:18.000 all just watched it i mean think about god making his presence known i mean on the biggest possible

00:53:23.380 story you ever could and the whole world just saw that so now now you've got people going okay i

00:53:28.780 believe it i believe it because how do you deny that no that's exactly right and and further further

00:53:35.820 evidence i mean we're i feel like we're in the middle of history we're in the middle america is

00:53:40.840 a movie and we have no idea how it ends but clearly right right and the timing of revelation coming out

00:53:48.080 i could there's no way to know all this stuff i mean that song comes out a few days ago and then this

00:53:54.960 happens and that happens and and now i looked on looked on x and spiritual warfare is trending and

00:54:00.660 all these people are talking about that and i went okay i get it i mean that's why it was written

00:54:07.720 that that's like the musical component that's out floating around out there right now while all this

00:54:13.040 is happening i mean there there's no coincidence in the world that can allow for that to happen

00:54:17.840 do you believe that there are any coincidences no do you no i used to i've seen too much i'm 55

00:54:26.760 i don't think god is coincidental i keep sidetracking you no you're fine so i'm sorry i just

00:54:36.020 wanted to she brought that in no that's big deal that's crazy that's absolutely crazy so a lot of a

00:54:42.560 lot of christians watching this right now are very upset with me why because i'm saying something that's

00:54:47.760 pushing back against something they have grown up believing i grew up believing it too so did my dad

00:54:52.060 and for since 1830 people have believed this that you're going to be out of here before any of the

00:54:56.540 bad stuff happens it just doesn't say that so if you can give me enough time to read oh my gosh

00:55:03.300 please i'm i'm fascinated this is second thessalonians 2 which doesn't get preached very much this is paul

00:55:11.160 wrote this now brethren concerning the coming of our lord jesus christ and our gathering together to him

00:55:17.860 meaning his second coming we ask you not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled either by spirit

00:55:25.240 or by word or by letter as is from us as though the day of christ had come let no one deceive you

00:55:33.040 by any means for that day the day he comes back will not come unless the falling away comes first

00:55:42.000 and the man of sin is revealed the son of perdition who is who we refer to as the antichrist

00:55:49.200 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called god or that is worshiped so that he sits

00:55:56.700 as god in the temple or in the place of god showing himself that he is god

00:56:03.580 jesus hadn't come back yet this is happening do you not remember when i was still with you

00:56:11.940 i told you these things and now you know what is restraining that he may be revealed in his own

00:56:18.560 time for the mystery of lawlessness is already at work only he who now restrains will do so until he

00:56:25.820 is taken out of the way meaning it's being held back and then the lawless one will be revealed whom

00:56:32.020 the lord will consume with the breath of his mouth and destroy with the brightness of his coming

00:56:37.440 talking about the second coming the coming of the lawless one is according to the work of satan

00:56:44.180 with all power signs and lying wonders and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish

00:56:51.100 because they did not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved meaning it was rejected they

00:56:57.180 were told the truth and they rejected it and for this reason god will send them a strong delusion

00:57:03.520 that they should believe the lie that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had

00:57:10.260 pleasure and unrighteousness let's stop right there you're telling me god is gonna send a delusion on

00:57:16.840 people he's gonna do that he's gonna be the one to make them go into chaos and not understand he says

00:57:23.860 yes that is what he's gonna do because he's given them chance after chance after chance and they refused

00:57:29.500 to believe the truth and rather believe the lie when the antichrist shows up but we are bound to

00:57:36.080 give thanks to god always for you brethren beloved by the lord because god from the beginning chose you

00:57:41.180 for salvation through sanctification by the spirit and belief in the truth to which he called you by our

00:57:47.780 gospel for the obtaining of glory of our lord jesus christ therefore brethren stand fast and hold the

00:57:54.680 traditions which you were taught whether by word or by epistle meaning by letter now may our lord jesus

00:58:01.440 christ himself and our god and father who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope

00:58:06.500 by grace comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work so that's second

00:58:12.840 thessalonians 2 he lays out before he comes back you're gonna see the antichrist he's gonna show up

00:58:20.360 he's gonna be running the place now that goes i'm telling you right now heads are exploding

00:58:25.600 in in the church world and with a lot of christians they're going but you can get mad all you want to

00:58:31.460 i'm reading it verbatim if you don't if you got a problem with that go tell him you got a problem with

00:58:36.700 it if you don't want to believe it put some louder fluid on your bible and throw it in the fireplace because

00:58:40.940 what's the point it says what it says so i i'm personally in a weird position where i've never heard

00:58:48.560 any of these conversations i didn't grow up in a in a church like that at all i grew up in a fake church

00:58:53.260 and um that makes total sense to me that there would be deception well there is deception everywhere

00:59:03.200 but you're saying that well it's saying that this letter paul's letter to the thessalonians says

00:59:09.980 and revelation says and maybe daniel says too it's all over the bible that there will be a leader

00:59:16.280 who people worship as god who is not god yeah let me i'll read this this piece one more time

00:59:22.480 let no one deceive you by any means for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first

00:59:29.760 and the man of sin is revealed the son of perdition which means lying this yeah the the son of perdition

00:59:36.880 is who they we would refer to as the antichrist the word antichrist doesn't exist in the bible

00:59:41.720 neither does rapture that's just when we read this throughout history really the word antichrist

00:59:46.100 is not in there no or rapture huh it's but it's it's the words we use to describe what they're laying

00:59:55.440 out so how dangerous is that if christians believe i'll be gone before this ever happens so when they

01:00:01.180 are still here and he does show up they're going to be walking right into a buzzsaw so that i mean but

01:00:06.980 it like raises the question that i wrestle with every day in every context which is how do you

01:00:12.300 know what's true how do you spot you know you're being lied to how do you know how do you know what's

01:00:18.780 deception and what's truth praying for discernment is very important that's that's my go-to but um

01:00:24.640 right think of anything else but what are the what are the signs that you're being lied to what are the

01:00:32.060 signs that something is bad i mean jesus says and it's it's it's just true you don't need to be a

01:00:37.340 christian to believe it that you judge a tree by its fruits i can call it an apple tree but if pears

01:00:42.320 come out it's not right exactly so how do we know which leaders are lying to us which are bad like what

01:00:50.820 are the signs if what they say and do runs counter to what god's word says they are lying

01:00:59.980 it's as simple as that people complicate this whole process and go exactly the question you're asking

01:01:06.200 how do i know who's telling the truth how do i know who's not well look at what they're standing for

01:01:11.160 fighting for how they're talking and then go take that and go read what the book says about it

01:01:16.980 what is god's stance on it and if they're opposed to that or out of line with that then they're wrong

01:01:22.440 and you base it against the ultimate truth that's it well i think that's why we have the bible i think

01:01:27.840 that's i think that's right humans can't figure this stuff out so this winter i'm standing in the

01:01:32.400 kitchen with my dogs and my wife comes in she's just come back from a long walk and she has this

01:01:37.240 look on her face this look of tranquility and joy and peace and i said what have you been doing and

01:01:44.320 she said i was praying and i said where she said on my walk for an hour and a half and it turns out

01:01:50.840 she was listening to something i'd never heard of before which is an app called hallow hallow h-a-l-l-o-w

01:01:57.960 hallow like hallowed and a friend of hers gave it to her and this set off a chain reaction in my family

01:02:04.520 where pretty much everyone in my family started to listen to hallow every day it's a prayer app

01:02:08.380 and it's the best way as you know to find peace and this makes it very easy to set aside the time

01:02:14.860 to deeply pray every single day i'm so impressed by hallow that i tracked down the number of the ceo

01:02:21.700 and i called him and i said i want to advertise this on our podcast because it's something that

01:02:25.420 i really believe in and i think you do an amazing job and it's basically non-denominational

01:02:29.980 christian you don't have to be catholic or protestant you can be any kind of christian but hallow will

01:02:34.880 help you focus your prayer in a way um that'll be very obvious to your husband when you walk into

01:02:40.760 the kitchen i can promise you that um it's an amazing amazing resource they've got like 10 000

01:02:46.740 audio guided prayers meditations bible studies famously mark walberg leads one of them it's just

01:02:53.380 really really good you can download it for three months free at hallow.com slash tucker and uh i strongly

01:03:00.740 recommend that you do that it puts a lot of us including me who's only read it once um at a

01:03:21.160 disadvantage because we're not that literate we're not biblically literate it's like i don't know

01:03:26.120 you know i didn't you've already told me a bunch of things that i thought i would have picked up

01:03:30.620 having read it and i missed them um so one marker that seems well i'll ask you do you think this is

01:03:36.400 a fair way to judge god creates order out of chaos right that's beginning of genesis and so

01:03:44.280 order and chaos are really significant markers for whether something is from god or or not and if you

01:03:51.840 get a lot of chaos like that's probably not from god right probably not most of the time except in

01:04:00.560 second thessalonians it says he will send a great delusion on the people because they refused the truth

01:04:06.560 and refused him for so long that he goes okay i've given you every shot i'm going to give you now here

01:04:12.220 comes the cloud here comes the fog here comes i don't know where i'm at and he's going to let those

01:04:16.980 people who rejected him over and over and over and rejected the truth he allows them as i call it

01:04:22.600 walking into the buzzsaw walking into the woodchipper that's a hard thing man for christians to come to

01:04:27.540 grips with that he said that that he would do that that's what it says so that means good people are

01:04:34.940 going to fall for lies it means that it it means that first of all there's i don't believe there's

01:04:41.400 such a thing as a good person and it says uh all of our trying to be i agree with all of our

01:04:47.060 righteousness is as filthy rags on the side of god is what it says i mean the only good thing about a

01:04:52.380 christian is that god's in them that jesus is in them that's it short of him being in there you're

01:04:56.720 just nasty filthy you know so but i think to your point yeah people who are not inherently wicked

01:05:03.400 people but have refused to to believe what he's told them for all this time and reject it reject it

01:05:10.480 reject it it says he'll send a great delusion anybody that wants to go read it i hope they

01:05:14.440 pick their bible up after this interview and go look it up but people who think of themselves as

01:05:18.660 sincerely godly people who are trying to be christian call themselves that right um they'll

01:05:23.600 fall for for the lie too it says many will it says many will so it sounds like you got to be

01:05:31.420 just on your game you got to be aware you got to be connected yeah tightly that some of the

01:05:37.440 things you think are good or not good right exactly right i mean you go back to like you

01:05:42.680 said 1830 and john darby and c.i scofield and i wasn't there i don't know why they did what they

01:05:48.780 did but that doctrine was very popular still it's still the main doctrine today oh i know

01:05:54.220 well the speaker of the house believes that of christian church most i'd say 99 of christians

01:05:59.140 believe it i mean i've been i've been anxious about this interview because i knew what i'm going

01:06:03.280 to say is going to rattle people in a major way but this is not my opinion tucker it's so funny i'm

01:06:09.040 just laughing because i'm i'm from a world where i don't think i don't think i know anyone who's

01:06:13.480 heard of scofield i'm only learning of this recently right there are many different cultures in america

01:06:18.220 we're just from very different ones so yeah it's funny but is that true so even now people believe

01:06:23.780 that 100 percent well maybe that's a a good example of the principle that you're describing

01:06:29.400 or the fact that you're describing yeah that christians were you know trying their best

01:06:35.380 yeah we're still going to fall for things that are lies because because they have they have

01:06:39.880 yes because not just them and this is not the preacher's fault this is not the christians fault

01:06:46.080 they're not at fault for this this has been around since way way way before any of us were ever

01:06:50.980 thought about it's become accepted doctrine that that the footnotes and the that scofield adopted

01:06:57.640 from darby is biblically accurate and the only way those can be biblically accurate is you're

01:07:02.800 going to have to erase several of the things that were said and they're like the one i just read in

01:07:07.720 second thessalonians 2 you'd have to rip those pages out for that to make sense because it literally

01:07:12.640 lays out step by step this you're going to see this and then i'm going to show up the greatest one ever

01:07:18.100 is matthew 24 and that that does get preached a lot but they preach it backwards and i don't know how

01:07:24.220 much i don't know how much scripture you'll let me read on the show i'm really interested by the way

01:07:28.420 anyone who's not interested in this stuff will have fallen away by now sure but i think again

01:07:34.500 at least in the weird world that i'm from more people are interested in this than have ever been

01:07:39.460 i think so i think it does talk about a great revival happening at some point you know that's when i go

01:07:45.180 back to a near-death experience will get your attention faster than anything it happened to me i know

01:07:49.800 yeah i've had a couple myself yeah all right matthew 24 you ready yeah now this is jesus talking to the

01:07:56.560 disciples and they're hanging out in a park basically in a nice little spot that they were

01:08:01.260 hanging out matthew 24 start with verse 3 now as he sat on the mount of olives talking about jesus the

01:08:08.320 disciples came to him privately saying tell us when will these things be and what will be the sign of

01:08:13.920 your coming in the end of the age asking him and jesus answered and said to them take heed that no

01:08:21.140 one deceives you for many will come in my name saying i am the christ and will deceive many and

01:08:28.220 you will hear of wars and rumors of wars see that you are not troubled for all these things must come

01:08:34.880 to pass but the end is not yet for nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom and

01:08:41.340 there will be famines pestilences and earthquakes in various places all these are the beginning of

01:08:48.040 sorrows then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you and you will be hated by all nations

01:08:56.360 for my name's sake now that's an important part right there because a lot of people have taught over

01:09:03.440 the years that because he was talking to the 12 disciples that he was specifically only referring to

01:09:09.300 them and their country and their their heritage but when it says for bearing my name for my name's

01:09:16.800 sake that means chinese christians north korean christians eskimo christians south american christians

01:09:22.300 american christians anybody in this period of time that bears the name of jesus christ will be hunted it

01:09:28.320 says killed hunted hated by all the nations around the earth that's an important distinction and then many

01:09:35.020 will be offended that sounds familiar will betray one another and will hate one another then many

01:09:41.740 false prophets will rise up and deceive many and because lawlessness will abound the love of many

01:09:48.460 will grow cold but he who endures to the end shall be saved and this gospel of the kingdom will be preached

01:09:54.680 in all the world as a witness to all nations and then the end will come now here we go here

01:10:00.520 therefore when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel the prophet

01:10:07.960 the abomination of desolation tucker is when the antichrist steps into that role that we talked about

01:10:13.280 in second thessalonians when you see him standing in the holy place then let those who are in judaea

01:10:19.980 flee to the mountains let he who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of the house and let

01:10:24.760 him who is in the field not go back to even get his clothes and woe to those who are pregnant

01:10:30.200 and to those who are nursing babies in those days and pray that your flight may not be in winter

01:10:35.220 or on the sabbath for then will be the great tribulation such has not been seen since the

01:10:42.900 beginning of the world under this time no nor ever shall be jesus still hadn't come back yet remember

01:10:49.560 this is the disciples asking him what's it gonna what's gonna happen before you come back all these

01:10:53.740 things are happening and unless those days be shortened no flesh would be saved but for the elect's sake

01:10:59.880 meaning his people those days will be shortened then if anyone says to you look here's the christ

01:11:05.480 or there do not believe it for false christ and false prophets will rise and show great signs and

01:11:10.560 wonders to deceive meaning they'll perform miracles in front of you if possible they could even deceive

01:11:16.160 the elect see that i've told you beforehand therefore if they say to you look he's in the desert do not

01:11:23.060 go there or look he's in the inner rooms do not believe it for as the lightning comes from the east and

01:11:28.360 flashes to the west so also will be the coming of the son of man for wherever the carcass is there

01:11:34.000 the eagles will be gathered together now we're in verse 29 immediately after the tribulation of those

01:11:41.400 days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light the stars will fall from heaven and

01:11:47.260 the powers of heavens will be shaken then verse 30 then the sign of the son of man will appear in heaven

01:11:54.960 and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will see the son of man coming on the clouds

01:12:00.180 of heaven with power and great glory and then he will send his angels with a great cloud and a trumpet

01:12:06.600 and they will gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other

01:12:12.120 matthew 24 when the disciples asked him what's going to be happening before you come back boss

01:12:17.940 all right sit down i'm going to tell you and he goes play by play and then this and then that and

01:12:25.020 then this and this and this and after this happens then you'll see me coming so it is such a dangerous

01:12:32.420 mindset for really save people and christians to think that they're going to be pulled out of here

01:12:38.080 before any of this happens why is that dangerous because when those things happen you're going to

01:12:42.480 think it's not the real deal you're going to think well i'm still here so that can't be it it must be

01:12:47.660 something else and the decisions you make under that false pretense could could be catastrophe would

01:12:52.820 be catastrophic to you it says anybody that takes the mark of the beast that their name is not written

01:12:58.780 in the lamb's book of life meaning the names that are written down the ones that are that are going to

01:13:04.400 heaven your name is not written in the lamb's book of life if you take that i mean this is no joke

01:13:09.720 how do you not take it how do you not take the mark yeah you have to be willing to die

01:13:16.080 suffer uh i think about there's there's christians right now all over the world being killed by the

01:13:23.180 hundreds of thousands we just don't talk about it they're killing them in china they're killing

01:13:26.660 them in north korea they're killing them in africa they're killing them in the middle east why are we

01:13:31.820 above those people you think you think america gets to dodge this at some point absolutely not it is a

01:13:40.080 it's a perilous thing to bear the name of jesus christ in this world one of the reasons i wound up

01:13:48.400 believing that this was true is because as you read this and you read jesus's pitch to his followers

01:13:56.180 his disciples right it's kind of the opposite well you're in the entertainment business you know

01:14:00.760 it's the opposite of any other advertising campaign that you would mount like use this laundry

01:14:07.140 detergent it makes your clothes cleaner right you know what i mean right eat this food it's delicious

01:14:11.740 right jesus is like follow me and you're going to get hated by everybody including your own family

01:14:18.340 and then killed bingo people are going to celebrate your death and that message became the world's biggest

01:14:25.180 religion created western civilization and you're like well wait a second that's really that's the pitch

01:14:31.360 how'd you get anyone to sign up for that well when yeah when christianity launched everybody knew

01:14:36.660 that's what it was and they they just not that long ago jesus was crucified why would anybody sign

01:14:41.240 up for that i mean if a preacher and many do comes out and says if you believe this you're going to get

01:14:49.160 rich get a hot wife get a huge house you know all good things will happen to you i get it i mean who

01:14:56.420 wouldn't want that but if someone like jesus says you're going to get to you get to be tortured to

01:15:02.920 death if you follow this like why would anyone follow that because they know that he's the son

01:15:08.140 of god okay that they that but that's what i'm saying that's like the greatest testimony in my view

01:15:13.700 this is the conclusion i came to after reading i was like how could well it must be true because

01:15:17.640 who would follow that no i don't think cerebrally you would ever take you'd ever bite that of course

01:15:24.940 not ever bite that hook i mean now you follow me and get tortured to death no i don't think

01:15:29.840 went past that hook yeah but when he gets a hold of you in a real way there's no denying what that is

01:15:34.900 and that's when people are converted that's when that when they feel that and they really give their

01:15:39.240 life to jesus christ and he comes in it's wham i mean it's there i mean there is no escaping what

01:15:45.840 that is it is as real as a heart attack so how should we feel about so what you're saying and i think

01:15:51.740 a lot of people will nod their heads like you you feel like something first of all that this is

01:15:55.980 this moment is real we're not making this up in our minds and you know there's suffering ahead

01:16:01.540 how should we feel about that well it's it's he gives a lot of tough commandments he says uh rejoice

01:16:07.460 when you're persecuted for bearing my name if they if they persecuted me what do you think they're

01:16:12.040 going to do to you i mean yeah exactly it's not it's not really your best tony robbins pitch as to

01:16:16.760 why you should sign up for this program but the benefit is it's it's your eternity that you're

01:16:23.180 talking about here you know if you live to be 200 years old it's like that in the history of time

01:16:28.780 it's nothing i mean like that if you touch your hand i had this thought a while back when uh somebody

01:16:35.060 says i broke my arm my arm is broken and i go and it hit me funny out of nowhere i went my arm like who

01:16:45.020 which part of you is claiming ownership of that arm does does anything own itself that's this is my

01:16:51.260 table that is my dog that is my car that is my business i'm somebody's employee they say that's

01:16:57.020 my employee something is is is is claimed by by something else throughout the world so you go my

01:17:04.660 arm my arm is broken what is that that's the spirit that's you that's the real you that has to live in

01:17:10.480 this piece of junk for however long it lives there you're actually hearing your spirit talk when you

01:17:15.940 say that this is my arm my face my head my talent my my my all this stuff and so people understand

01:17:25.260 they have to understand that god created you to live forever somewhere one place or the other

01:17:30.900 he sticks you down on these weak little banged up bodies that he gives us the weakest thing ever

01:17:35.940 and then turns the devil loose and then he gives us free will to decide which way do we want to go

01:17:43.440 that's why he became a man so he could empathize with man so he could understand the plight of man

01:17:48.740 what man has to deal with every single day from temptation to torture to love and sadness and

01:17:53.860 everything else jesus experienced all of that stuff so i think to your point of why would anybody ever do

01:17:59.280 that it's because it's not this you're trying to save it it's the actual eternal you that that is

01:18:05.620 being saved that gets to go live in eternity in heaven with him instead of on the other side and it's

01:18:10.800 why the other side fights so hard too they're not trying to take their bodies they're trying to take

01:18:14.400 their souls i also think there's there's something about hearing something true even if it's unexpected

01:18:20.940 you've never heard it before you never thought of it before it seems bizarre if it is true it was

01:18:26.180 actually true it resonates like a tuning fork it hums it feels different a true word feels different

01:18:33.540 from a false word yeah and there's something about these words that has struck people for thousands of

01:18:38.340 years in ways that you could never explain it's like oh that's true i know that that's true i was

01:18:43.640 made to know that that was true yeah because it's in you it's in you what kind of preacher is your dad

01:18:48.520 he is non-denominational uh he my dad generally focused his his ministry in prisons street ministry

01:18:58.000 my dad when i was growing up he did uh i think it was 34 mardi gras

01:19:02.940 in a row with a guitar hanging around his neck standing in the french quarter as all the parades

01:19:10.200 are going by and he's standing down there singing gospel music and preaching through a little speaker

01:19:16.480 that he had standing next to him and these parades would come by and spit on my dad from the top of his

01:19:23.240 head all the way down to his boots over and over and over and i asked him one time i said why did you

01:19:29.460 34 years 34 yeah i said why did you just why did you keep standing there with people hundreds of

01:19:35.960 people just spitting on you and he said because about one out of a hundred of them would stop

01:19:41.380 and ask me what i was talking about so you wipe spit off your face and you tell them what it is you're

01:19:47.020 here to talk about and i i have seen him do this where some i mean crazy looking guy you know totally out

01:19:55.120 there start locking in with my dad and before it's over guys down on his knees balling his head off

01:20:01.800 getting right with god uh there's been stories of men who were who had murdered multiple people and

01:20:07.400 gotten away with it and on a street ministry like that went and turned themselves into the police and

01:20:12.220 spent the rest of their life in prison that's my dad that's where he went did he get pretty rich

01:20:17.480 doing it oh yeah he's loaded yeah there's a lot of money in street preaching

01:20:21.060 you know you know ask him because he is a extremely charismatic very i mean his communication is just

01:20:28.800 i hope you get to hear him someday it is unbelievable he could have probably pastored the biggest churches

01:20:34.000 in america and been a very wealthy man doing it you ask him why didn't you do that he said because the

01:20:39.620 people that need to hear what i have to say are never going to walk into one of those church buildings

01:20:43.900 they're a lot behind bars they're out on the street at mardi gras they're wherever they are they're

01:20:48.860 never going to run into it unless i go to where they are so he has always gone to where the humility

01:20:53.460 required to preach at mardi gras on the street through a speaker is awe-inspiring and bravery

01:20:59.780 and conviction that's a scary moment but you're lowering yourself when you do that you're on the

01:21:06.020 street in the french quarter and i bet people did you're holding up a candle in a hurricane

01:21:09.720 yeah no one's impressed i mean most people are not impressed they think you're a fool you're crazy

01:21:15.080 sure you know there's kind of very limited affirmation from people no it's like you know

01:21:20.940 it's really cool you did that they're like shut up weirdo get out of here except when you've when

01:21:24.960 you've done that to hundreds of thousands of people the success rate may be one percent that's

01:21:31.240 still thousands of people it's just an amazing thing to do what did you think of that when you

01:21:36.040 were a kid oh i mean it's probably no doubt it's why i am like i am in a lot of ways that when you

01:21:44.700 grow up watching a dad who has that level of conviction and it's not that not that there's

01:21:49.700 no fear involved or like oh wow this is going to be no you're still going to feel that but but you

01:21:54.720 go do it anyway i mean trust me the conversation we just had about all this stuff i've been thinking

01:21:59.920 about it for weeks before i came here going there's a lot of people are not going to like

01:22:03.740 what i'm about to say what i'm about to read to them and push back against what they've been taught

01:22:08.500 their entire lives they're not going to like that but when a song like revelation comes along

01:22:13.360 when that's pounded into you and and you're like what do you want me to do with it and he goes all

01:22:17.180 the way this interview is part of going all the way with that you just go do it

01:22:21.680 were you proud of your dad when you were a kid oh my hero

01:22:27.520 100 i mean what kind of what kind of person can do that i mean

01:22:37.360 we see preachers on tv with 20 000 people in the audience and buy my book

01:22:42.720 buy my book put your money in the offering plate i'm going to get on my g6 and go fly over here on

01:22:48.880 a mission trip right and they give these lukewarm messages that keep all the all the christians just

01:22:54.840 feeling nice and comfortable all the time and they never go into the stuff that we're actually

01:22:58.700 talking about which by the way tucker is what is going to happen in this country and in this world

01:23:03.040 at some point and like i said early on everything that needs to be in place for these things to

01:23:07.760 happen exists now for preachers not to be preaching the truth about what's going on right now is such

01:23:13.420 a disservice to their congregations it's it's criminal truly and you and you feel it too oh you can

01:23:20.020 feel it all day long the stakes are so high right now it's like i said back in 1830 if you want to tell

01:23:24.720 people nothing bad's going to happen before you're raptured out of here okay well the rapture wasn't

01:23:29.100 possible at that point because a lot of the a lot of the prophecies hadn't come true everything we

01:23:33.960 just talked about in matthew 24 and second thessalians 2 but but now i would argue we're on

01:23:39.600 the doorstep of it seems pretty obvious that we are it feels like it is and and i think that's that's

01:23:45.620 why you see things like spiritual warfare trending on x really i mean and it's also why you see the

01:23:55.180 other side coming with everything they got it's why you see these songs about lucifer antichrist evil

01:23:59.660 and all this other horrible stuff being pushed out there they're throwing everything they got at it

01:24:03.900 right now and uh we got to stand up and go well i'm not strong enough to push you back but my dad is

01:24:11.460 you don't want to my daddy can beat up your daddy that's that it's that old phrase my daddy can beat

01:24:18.060 up your daddy and that's the absolute truth how how should christians respond day to day

01:24:23.100 christians better get as close as they possibly can because i think we all feel big things coming

01:24:31.020 we don't know what they are how bad they'll be or exactly when but everybody feels it in the air

01:24:35.900 i'm sure you feel it in the air there's just this thing you wake up you can feel it and the only real

01:24:41.400 truth out there is on the pages of the book everybody's got one in their house there's one in

01:24:45.400 every hotel room there you can go online and look up anything you want to look up and read it anytime you

01:24:50.140 want to that the word of god has never been more accessible to humanity than it is at this exact

01:24:54.880 second so i suggest you don't take the preacher's word for it don't take my word for it or anybody

01:24:59.560 else's you sit down and you read it for yourself and then put it into action what i mean what's your

01:25:08.100 life like now i mean no you're not you're not here to talk about yourself but you just had better

01:25:12.840 than it's ever been well i can tell but you've had this kind of amazing journey your whole life in

01:25:19.620 this business um but it's i'm at some level it's a very very secular business obviously of course i was

01:25:26.860 part of it oh yeah so like what do people you've known for all these years in the entertainment

01:25:32.520 business think of you now um a lot of them i don't talk to a lot anymore but the ones i still do

01:25:38.840 are 10 times stronger than they've ever been because they know what the truth is too you know

01:25:43.880 i was the definition of what you'd call prodigal son growing up with a dad like that and then at 18

01:25:49.040 19 years old i take off instead of going to college i go out start playing honky tonks all over the

01:25:53.180 united states can you imagine what my dad must have felt like that his underage son is playing in bars

01:25:58.060 all across the united states and then you come with you know these rocking hard party songs and all this

01:26:03.340 stuff and the songs are one thing but the lifestyle is something totally different when you go out and

01:26:07.600 actually live like the songs you're singing and doing those things i can only imagine how bad that

01:26:12.440 must have tore him up for a long time and at some point i remember um is that i got i got saved when

01:26:19.780 i was a kid with my dad but at one point in my life i had the feeling that i had i had i had bank

01:26:27.420 push back against what he wanted me to do for so long that he he stood up and walked out of the room

01:26:31.520 meaning god walked out of the room left me sitting there like abandoned is what the feeling felt

01:26:37.980 like and that was the most desolate feeling i've ever had and if you go reading psalms king david

01:26:43.460 talked about that a lot because king david had a king david had a uh a woman's husband killed uriah

01:26:49.700 had him killed and then took her and married her i mean that's pretty bad yeah it's about as bad as it

01:26:56.980 and then he got punished like you can't believe horrible things happened to david after that

01:27:01.120 including god left him sitting there all by himself for a long time and i think that's that's the way

01:27:06.100 he gets our attention is you you push back long enough he will get your attention if you're lucky

01:27:12.120 he'll let you survive it and we we just saw somebody survive something and i think our country's

01:27:18.000 going to survive it but i think it's going to be quite a thing when it happens soon feels like it

01:27:26.980 john rich thank you thank you for letting me talk about this bro appreciate it i loved it keep up

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The Tucker Carlson Show - July 16, 2024

John Rich： Donald Trump, the Darkness of Eminem’s New Album, and the Song He Wrote Through God

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