The Tucker Carlson Show - Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters on 9⧸11, JFK, Gaza, and Why the Israel Lobby Is Trying to Destroy Him

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00:00:30.000 roger waters thank you for doing this um let's go back to the beginning to that day

00:00:39.480 september 11 2001 where were you when that happened and what did you think

00:00:43.680 i was in island studios in london making a record 0.98

00:00:49.260 and uh what did i think i thought can i use the f word yes you may i thought fuck me what what 0.99

00:00:59.360 Because somebody turned the TV on. 0.99

00:01:01.740 So we stopped working almost immediately.

00:01:05.860 And I almost immediately called my then wife, Laurie,

00:01:11.500 who was in New York at the time.

00:01:16.160 And I was on the phone with her for the next two hours,

00:01:19.660 sort of watching it develop and unfold before our very hour.

00:01:25.660 and it's in a state of shock like everyone was all over the world.

00:01:32.040 What did I think?

00:01:35.340 I mean, that's a very long and complicated answer to that

00:01:39.820 because I haven't stopped thinking ever since, really,

00:01:43.540 and it was 25 years ago.

00:01:48.380 I could actually, you know, I wrote something down,

00:01:52.000 But I know part of what I, there's one sentence in what I wrote down here was that I thought to myself, if this is an attack by foreign people on the United States of America, will the American people notice that some people are pissed off with American foreign policy and that this is a result of it?

00:02:18.860 and I did think that

00:02:22.060 and in a way that was the only positive thing I could think was

00:02:25.500 maybe now the war's come home

00:02:28.900 now something has happened on American soil

00:02:33.700 and it didn't happen and I was surprised

00:02:36.580 which shows how naive I was, I guess

00:02:39.040 that nobody even ever started to think that

00:02:44.980 or to allow that to colour what happened afterwards

00:02:48.040 So that's how it felt to me.

00:02:51.200 Am I making any sense?

00:02:52.580 You're making a lot of sense.

00:02:53.860 And I had a similar thought at the time,

00:02:56.140 which is not obviously to justify it

00:02:58.080 or any act of violence,

00:02:59.360 but cause and effect is real.

00:03:01.960 So I had the same thought

00:03:03.780 and I had a huge contretemps

00:03:05.760 with my employer over at CNN at the time

00:03:07.880 because I made that point

00:03:09.000 and they attacked me for it.

00:03:11.140 What a surprise.

00:03:12.480 Yeah, what a surprise.

00:03:14.580 But I kept working there to my shame.

00:03:16.440 But anyway, then there was the investigation into 9-11, the 9-11 Commission, which was impaneled by the then-president George W. Bush, headed by a guy called Philip Zellico, and it produced a report, which was then bound into a book that you could buy at the bookstore.

00:03:34.460 Did you assess that?

00:03:35.680 What did you think of the inquiry?

00:03:36.820 I did not read that book, I confess.

00:03:39.240 I did wonder why there wasn't a more thorough investigation

00:03:46.660 or any real investigation into what actually happened

00:03:50.300 because in the aftermath of it

00:03:53.740 we all watched the same images again and again and again

00:03:57.380 and it became evident

00:03:58.980 well not necessarily evident

00:04:01.320 but it looked likely

00:04:03.600 the whole story of controlled demolitions

00:04:08.800 of buildings came up very quickly,

00:04:10.780 not least because Building 7,

00:04:14.260 which was obviously a controlled demolition,

00:04:18.480 its collapse was announced on the BBC in England

00:04:22.800 half an hour before it happened.

00:04:25.280 That's a sign that it's not entirely organic,

00:04:27.860 what you're watching.

00:04:28.600 Exactly.

00:04:29.440 And we could laugh about it,

00:04:31.740 but we can't because it's too tragic.

00:04:34.700 But it was quite clear from the very beginning

00:04:37.320 that, oh, Bin Laden got together with some terrorist Arabs 0.66

00:04:42.740 and they've done this and isn't it awful 0.80

00:04:45.880 and now let's start World War III.

00:04:48.720 There was more to the whole thing than met the eye.

00:04:54.540 And I, to my eternal shame, had misgivings

00:05:00.740 that I didn't immediately express

00:05:04.220 about what had actually happened

00:05:07.380 because the atmosphere was appalling around the time

00:05:12.080 that if you did express any misgivings at all

00:05:16.180 about the result of the 9-11 inquiry, 0.91

00:05:19.980 you were labelled a madman

00:05:21.780 and you would lose any voice that you had 0.99

00:05:25.840 about any subject on earth forever

00:05:28.080 just by questioning it.

00:05:30.360 As we all know now,

00:05:31.660 The people who did start to ask the questions were correct to do so.

00:05:37.160 But, and I know this is part of the reason that you and I are having this conversation today, because of my friend Matt Campbell,

00:05:45.640 It was a terrible mistake that the questions never got to any court of law or to any place where you could actually listen to the evidence and look at the evidence and try and figure out what actually happened, if I could put it like that.

00:06:07.660 Who is Matt Campbell, for people unfamiliar?

00:06:09.880 Okay. Matt Campbell is an Englishman, and he's been involved since the day it happened, because his brother, Geoffrey Campbell, was in one of the Twin Towers and was killed on the day it happened.

00:06:29.600 and eventually there was a cursory inquest into his death

00:06:36.020 which listened to no evidence about anything

00:06:43.280 and didn't come up with any answers.

00:06:45.300 So the inquest said that he was killed by terrorists

00:06:49.140 on the 11th of September of 2001

00:06:53.880 and that's the end of the story

00:06:55.160 and there are no more questions to be answered.

00:06:57.220 And Matt Campbell, to his eternal credit, has, for the 25 years since then, tried to get a proper inquest into his brother's death.

00:07:08.680 And it is law in the UK, where I'm from, that a citizen is allowed, if there's anything unusual at all about the death of any person, you are allowed to demand an inquest.

00:07:21.680 i.e. a judicial inquiry into why the person died

00:07:26.860 who was responsible and so on and so forth

00:07:29.420 and he is still trying to get that right

00:07:35.680 for his brother Jeff now

00:07:38.020 he's managed to get it all the way to the Supreme Court

00:07:42.720 it's been turned down by several British Attorney Generals

00:07:46.700 who've said we're not reopening any inquest

00:07:49.300 you can't do it

00:07:50.240 He said, but that's unlawful. This is completely against all the laws of the land in England. You don't have inquests in North America, I'm told, but we do, and they're kind of important.

00:08:03.780 So he's managed to get a hearing in the Supreme Court in England

00:08:07.660 on October the 14th and 15th coming up this year

00:08:12.100 to try and persuade the Supreme Court

00:08:15.860 to countermand the Attorney General's decision

00:08:21.900 not to allow an inquest.

00:08:24.180 This will mean that evidence can be heard

00:08:27.120 for the first time in a court of law anywhere in the world.

00:08:32.940 But anyway, there hasn't been one in America, and there hasn't been one.

00:08:36.960 I didn't realize that.

00:08:38.080 How can that be?

00:08:39.540 How can it be what?

00:08:40.680 That 3,000 people die, that the investigation, the official investigation into it is revealed as false.

00:08:47.840 Yeah.

00:08:48.700 The 9-11 commission report was written before the inquest into what happened on 9-11.

00:08:53.820 So it's fake.

00:08:54.840 Philip Zellico did that.

00:08:56.200 We know that.

00:08:57.880 And yet there's been no legal inquiry into it since then?

00:09:02.540 None.

00:09:02.940 which is why I'm supporting Matt Campbell, which I am.

00:09:07.460 And why, if we could, on this program, there is a crowd funder as well.

00:09:11.460 I've given him a lot of money in order to fight this case,

00:09:15.260 but we need about twice what I've already given him.

00:09:17.740 I've given him a hundred grand dollars.

00:09:20.660 We need about that much again.

00:09:22.260 So if there's anybody out there, we should give them the, if you wouldn't mind.

00:09:26.220 Oh, I'd be happy to, and his name is Matt Campbell.

00:09:28.800 Of course, I didn't write it down on my notes.

00:09:31.180 But we can find it.

00:09:33.620 And it can be found easily.

00:09:34.860 Matt Campbell, 9-11, and you've given him $100,000 in order to force the inquest into this?

00:09:42.140 No, in order to pay the lawyers who are representing him and his brother before the Supreme Court in England on the 14th and 15th of October.

00:09:52.300 If they are successful and the Supreme Court overturns the decision by the Attorney General not to proceed, then there will be an inquest which will be a separate occasion.

00:10:06.220 But that will give you and me and all the people all over the world who are interested to know what actually happened on September the 11th, 2001 in New York.

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00:13:10.700 Comment. I think the powers that be have decided that would be inconvenient for them.

00:13:18.400 The buildings one and two, World Trade Centers one and two, and building seven,

00:13:25.260 given all the evidence that exists, and there's an awful lot, not just of eyewitness testimony,

00:13:30.960 But the films, if you look at the film of the North Tower collapsing, you can see all the explosions in the controlled demolition of that building happening in front of your very eyes.

00:13:43.600 And there is no other explanation as to how the North Tower of the World Trade Center fell down.

00:13:52.120 It didn't fall down because it was burning aircraft fluid or because an aeroplane flew into it.

00:13:57.980 It fell down because it was demolished.

00:14:00.080 And the question is, who placed the explosives in it, who pressed the button, who demolished the World Trade Center and Building 7 and the South Tower?

00:14:11.560 Who did it and why?

00:14:14.060 And those are the questions that we need a proper judicial inquiry to find answers to.

00:14:22.060 It'll be very inconvenient to lots of people, not least the security company.

00:14:26.400 I think they were called SecuraCat or something,

00:14:29.340 who did all the security in the building.

00:14:31.260 Because if this is true that they were controlled demolitions,

00:14:35.020 that must have meant that there were people working in there

00:14:37.580 putting nanothermite or whatever the explosives were

00:14:41.220 that brought the buildings down.

00:14:43.160 In the evenings, when the workers weren't there,

00:14:46.940 behind everybody's back, surreptitiously,

00:14:49.200 it's a huge, huge, huge operation.

00:14:52.000 must have been known by hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people.

00:14:57.340 Funnily enough, Piers Morgan, who I spoke to last week about this,

00:15:01.760 came out and said,

00:15:02.920 well, if it was anything to do with the government or this or that or anything,

00:15:08.720 thousands of people would have known about it

00:15:11.080 and they would have all come out and spoke.

00:15:12.820 No, they wouldn't.

00:15:13.820 You may well find that if there is a proper judicial inquiry,

00:15:17.720 people will start coming out of the woodwork and go,

00:15:20.040 actually it's funny you should say that

00:15:22.640 because and this

00:15:24.200 and it will

00:15:25.760 but we the public have a right to know

00:15:28.780 that's all we're asking

00:15:30.600 what happened

00:15:31.520 and nobody has given us an answer

00:15:34.640 you know

00:15:36.420 who was it

00:15:38.000 what's your theory

00:15:39.540 I'd be fascinated to

00:15:40.960 what is my theory

00:15:41.720 I haven't the faintest idea

00:15:43.220 I think it's very obvious that

00:15:45.380 elements of the American security services

00:15:49.060 knew that there was a plot.

00:15:52.580 Obviously, they did know there was a plot.

00:15:54.220 I mean, I think the evidence shows that conclusively.

00:15:56.480 You mean the Atta and the other...

00:16:00.360 That's correct. 0.97

00:16:00.800 And the other 18 in the United States

00:16:02.760 were being followed around

00:16:04.120 both by, you know, American government, CIA.

00:16:11.820 And the FBI.

00:16:12.780 And the FBI, correct. 1.00

00:16:14.060 And also by the Israelis. 0.99

00:16:16.300 I mean, the Israelis knew they were there

00:16:18.540 And a bunch of the Israelis who knew what was going to happen got arrested, actually. 0.98

00:16:23.940 Well, they were dancing around. 1.00

00:16:25.380 Correct.

00:16:25.980 Sort of congratulating themselves or whatever it was they were doing.

00:16:30.900 So the question is, did the Americans and the Israelis have a hand in doing it? 0.66

00:16:38.120 Did they allow it to happen? 0.60

00:16:39.600 Did they have a complex sting operation that went wrong and it happened despite their best efforts?

00:16:47.940 you know, because this does happen where the FBI, for example, will be following somebody and

00:16:51.920 everyone around him will be an informant. And the idea is to, you know, gather the evidence on him

00:16:56.500 and then he goes and shoots somebody. And the FBI says, well, we didn't want that. Is it that?

00:17:01.960 I mean, I don't know the answer, but, and I also know, or I believe that the Building 7 story

00:17:08.540 doesn't make any sense at all. And I don't know why you would attack people who raise questions

00:17:12.220 about something that doesn't make any sense, but they have. That's not a sign of innocence.

00:17:17.940 Right? At all.

00:17:18.820 Well, I must have heard somewhere, and maybe it was on one of the grapevines of conspiracy theorists out there questioning, that a couple of the floors in Building 7 were CIA offices.

00:17:31.560 I think that's true.

00:17:33.260 I've certainly heard that.

00:17:35.880 Well, there was a field officer and an FBI field office and I think a bunch of different government agencies.

00:17:40.240 I think that's conclusively.

00:17:42.920 Well, what we do know, we do know certain things that happen because there is evidence. So, for instance, General Wesley Clark's stories about visiting the Pentagon and his meetings in the offices, either of Paul Wolfowitz or somebody close to Wolfowitz at the time, where they described the plan, the American plan, the Pentagon plan, the government plan, whose plan was it?

00:18:11.460 to destroy seven countries in the five years that followed.

00:18:17.220 Yes.

00:18:18.820 Of those seven countries, five have gone.

00:18:21.200 There's only Lebanon and Iran left.

00:18:23.440 Yes. 0.98

00:18:24.080 Standing out of those seven countries.

00:18:26.260 So Wesley Clark, he always seems like a fairly kind of down-to-earth,

00:18:32.460 straightforward kind of a guy and a very fine professional soldier

00:18:36.460 and somebody who would be unlikely to make this stuff up. 0.52

00:18:41.460 But in order to fulfill those ambitions for the new American century, as it was known by the neocons, they needed a Pearl Harbor.

00:18:52.800 But who's the they?

00:18:55.640 Israel, possibly, has something to do with it. 0.76

00:18:59.260 Elements, possibly, in the United States government.

00:19:03.600 It must have been, it's a big, big thing to pull off.

00:19:09.540 And I can sense people now watching this going,

00:19:12.940 but pull off what they didn't.

00:19:14.340 It just planes flew in and the buildings fell.

00:19:17.220 No, they didn't.

00:19:18.940 That's the one thing that we know for absolute sure

00:19:22.020 because every single physicist or engineer or architect in the world,

00:19:31.040 they all agreed there is no way the North and South Towers

00:19:36.300 and Building 7 came down because of airplanes hitting them.

00:19:41.500 Just not possible.

00:19:43.100 The first person I ever heard say that,

00:19:45.100 that this doesn't make any sense,

00:19:46.540 just as a structural matter,

00:19:48.080 can the building come down because of an airplane strike?

00:19:50.620 The first person to say that that I know of is Donald Trump.

00:19:54.040 He said that on a morning show,

00:19:55.520 he called in the morning of 9-11 and said,

00:19:59.000 I was there, I'm a builder,

00:20:00.780 I know how those buildings were built.

00:20:02.160 That doesn't make any sense.

00:20:03.200 He said that on there, you can pull up the tape.

00:20:06.300 I think it just happened to be Trump.

00:20:07.720 I mean, it could be anybody with knowledge of building,

00:20:10.120 but that has kind of gotten lost over the years

00:20:14.320 that structural engineers said this is impossible.

00:20:19.940 What happened?

00:20:20.620 There was a report by a bunch of structural engineers

00:20:22.900 who said that.

00:20:23.520 What happened to them?

00:20:25.960 Well, nothing happened to them.

00:20:27.380 They still exist.

00:20:28.460 They're all still alive.

00:20:29.520 They're all still perplexed.

00:20:31.460 They're all still wondering why nobody took them seriously.

00:20:35.060 as we all are

00:20:36.760 we're always like

00:20:37.680 this thing that I showed you earlier

00:20:39.300 where I wrote down that

00:20:40.760 can you read that

00:20:42.140 and tell us what it is

00:20:42.960 sure yeah

00:20:43.780 I'd be delighted to

00:20:46.280 I mean it's

00:20:47.360 so this is a note

00:20:50.140 that you wrote yourself

00:20:51.180 yeah

00:20:51.840 wrote to yourself

00:20:52.680 yeah

00:20:53.300 this is

00:20:55.140 it just says

00:20:56.480 it says a note from Roger

00:20:58.780 so it was from and to me

00:21:01.320 I'll read it to you

00:21:02.400 if I may

00:21:03.260 And I wrote this on the 2nd of January, 2019.

00:21:08.160 Okay, so this is a couple of months.

00:21:10.640 So I've been in Stad, Switzerland, since the 29th of December, 2018.

00:21:16.920 Only three days, but in these three days, something has crystallized.

00:21:22.940 I will tell you what it is.

00:21:24.580 I've been wondering, somewhat excitedly, about a forthcoming event in New York City.

00:21:31.040 The convening by U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Berman of a special grand jury in the South Circuit of New York City to consider, even at this distance in time, the events of September 11, 2001, at the instigation of the Lawyers' Committee for a 9-11 Inquiry.

00:21:55.420 Quote, we have received and reviewed the Lawyers' Committee for 9-11 Inquiry, Inc. submissions of April the 10th and July the 30th, 2018.

00:22:07.000 We will comply with the provisions of 18 U.S.C., blah, blah, blah, as they relate to your submissions.

00:22:16.200 That's saying that they're going to have the inquiry.

00:22:19.500 And I wrote, my heart is beating almost out of my chest.

00:22:25.420 all the families, all the victims, all our brothers and sisters,

00:22:33.920 all the criminals who might be brought to justice.

00:22:37.340 Tears stained my eyes.

00:22:39.560 On September 11th, 2001, that terrible day when America was attacked

00:22:45.040 and the whole world recoiled in horror,

00:22:48.280 I was in London making a record,

00:22:50.400 and watched it all unfold on TV, transfixed and recoiling in aura too.

00:22:58.180 Almost immediately, I couldn't help thinking to myself,

00:23:00.980 this is so shocking that maybe the American people will ask themselves,

00:23:07.800 why would anyone from another land want to do this to us?

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00:24:14.680 didn't ask themselves that question.

00:24:17.200 They accepted the received wisdom

00:24:19.320 of the, quote,

00:24:21.340 they hate our freedom narrative.

00:24:24.820 And in spite of massive

00:24:26.280 and commendable protests, 0.62

00:24:30.160 invaded Iraq.

00:24:32.500 End of story.

00:24:33.600 Well, that's not actually the end

00:24:35.460 or the whole of the story.

00:24:36.920 Within days,

00:24:38.520 sensible, concerned American citizens

00:24:41.360 started to question the narrative

00:24:43.640 that 19 young Arab terrorists hijacked three U.S.-American airplane flights

00:24:51.020 and attacked the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center, 0.73

00:24:55.940 leveling three multi-story steel-framed buildings.

00:25:01.300 Informed architects and civil engineers,

00:25:04.640 backed up by decades of professional experience,

00:25:07.760 pointed out that the officially accepted 9-11 narrative

00:25:11.760 narrative was physically impossible, that it defied the laws of physics. The Twin Towers could

00:25:22.380 not possibly have been razed to the ground by fires caused by the impact of two airplanes.

00:25:31.440 Something else must have brought them down. By the way, when I talk of architects and engineers,

00:25:38.140 I mean thousands of professional engineers and architects,

00:25:43.620 not one or two cranks or conspiracy theorists.

00:25:48.260 The list comprises almost everyone with any expert knowledge

00:25:53.440 of steel frame buildings and how they react to fire.

00:25:58.900 Within a week or two, the evidence that the Twin Towers 1.00

00:26:03.360 were not downed by Mohammed Atta and his friends 0.99

00:26:07.040 was unassailable by anyone with an IQ above room temperature.

00:26:15.580 Enter the mainstream media.

00:26:19.100 Let us not underestimate the less than honourable influence and connivance

00:26:24.840 of the mainstream media at this point. 0.93

00:26:28.360 To a man, and maybe the odd woman also, not to let you ladies off the hook, 0.99

00:26:34.400 the mainstream media decided to look the other way. 1.00

00:26:39.740 They allowed the 19 Young Arab Terrorists narrative

00:26:43.760 to proceed unchallenged through the charade of the official investigation.

00:26:52.160 What official investigation?

00:26:54.380 The 9-11 Commission?

00:26:56.860 No real evidence was heard.

00:27:00.000 The official government narrative was simply rubber-stamped

00:27:04.280 with no real investigation.

00:27:07.740 So today, January 2nd, 2019,

00:27:12.760 I have to make an apology.

00:27:15.260 I knew what was happening.

00:27:17.960 I have an IQ above room temperature.

00:27:22.660 I was cowed enough

00:27:24.900 by the suffocating weight of society's pressure

00:27:28.680 to pretend that the emperor was wearing clothes

00:27:33.140 and to keep my misgivings to myself.

00:27:37.080 I am ashamed of my silence down all these years.

00:27:42.400 I challenge the United States government

00:27:45.780 to have a real investigation now.

00:27:51.820 The convening of this special grand jury in New York City is a start.

00:27:58.180 We can't bring back our brothers and sisters,

00:28:00.780 but we can say non commas.

00:28:04.180 We must have a full, open judicial inquiry

00:28:07.540 into the events of September the 11th, 2001.

00:28:11.560 We owe it to all the victims of that dreadful crime

00:28:14.800 and also to their families.

00:28:17.180 The powers that be, blah, blah, blah.

00:28:19.260 And it goes on.

00:28:20.120 Sisters of mercy better join with your brothers. 0.79

00:28:23.200 Put an end to the soap opera of state. 0.99

00:28:25.980 They say the toothless get ruthless.

00:28:28.280 Better run home before it's too late.

00:28:30.780 which is a quote from one of my songs from 1987.

00:28:34.460 The point is, this man disappeared without trace,

00:28:40.540 where he was fired, funnily enough, by Trump a few years later,

00:28:44.280 who was the attorney, the US attorney in the Southern District of New York,

00:28:49.740 who said he was going to bring it before a grand jury.

00:28:53.440 Nothing happened. It disappeared.

00:28:55.580 as did the investigation suggested by

00:28:58.700 who was the fire chief from Queens

00:29:01.460 I've got his name down here

00:29:03.220 Chris Gioro

00:29:05.240 he was a commissioner of police from Queens, New York

00:29:08.740 who lost brothers

00:29:10.440 his fireman died in 9-11

00:29:13.720 he had an IQ above room temperature

00:29:16.680 he knows that the buildings didn't fall down

00:29:21.020 because airplanes flew into them

00:29:22.860 he tried to open

00:29:25.040 He's disappeared.

00:29:27.180 Anybody who makes any suggestion that this was what the official narrative is,

00:29:33.200 they quietly disappear.

00:29:35.940 They lose the next election.

00:29:37.680 They lose their job.

00:29:38.680 They get fired.

00:29:40.880 So this is really, really, really important.

00:29:44.420 The only member of Congress I'm aware of to say anything like this

00:29:47.580 was Kurt Weldon from Pennsylvania,

00:29:49.260 who's a committee chairman

00:29:51.260 and a powerful incumbent

00:29:53.960 and he began asking questions about 9-11

00:29:56.600 and then right before the election

00:29:58.320 the FBI raided his daughter's business

00:30:01.180 never filed charges

00:30:02.340 she was never charged 0.61

00:30:04.700 but they raided the business

00:30:06.000 to throw the election

00:30:08.300 and he lost

00:30:10.260 so that raises the question

00:30:13.000 why would you

00:30:14.180 since you are a famous person

00:30:16.260 successful person

00:30:17.280 a rock star

00:30:18.380 Why would you weigh in on this, knowing what's going to happen when you do?

00:30:26.280 Well, I sincerely care about right and wrong.

00:30:31.800 I sincerely care about human rights.

00:30:35.340 All human rights for everyone all over the world.

00:30:39.760 Okay?

00:30:40.620 And whoever perpetrated this crime doesn't.

00:30:43.880 They didn't even care for the human or for the right to life of the 3,000 people they murdered in the Twin Towers that day.

00:30:53.280 So for it to never be investigated is beyond the pale for me.

00:30:58.760 And I care about Matt Campbell.

00:31:01.240 And I care about his dead brother, Jeff.

00:31:03.340 And I care about his mom and dad and their family.

00:31:06.200 But they're just one family.

00:31:09.300 But to his eternal credit, Matt has put 26 years of effort into this.

00:31:14.300 And I know a number of the other peers, Robinson and others,

00:31:18.660 who've put time and energy into all of this stuff for all of these years.

00:31:24.240 And they've done the right thing.

00:31:26.620 These are the people doing the right thing.

00:31:28.880 People doing the wrong thing are anybody who tries to stand in the way

00:31:32.980 of there being a judicial inquiry with evidence.

00:31:38.140 so that we find out what happened.

00:31:41.340 You know, because it's never, and in America,

00:31:43.940 it's very, very difficult to do it.

00:31:46.820 Did Lee Harvey Oswald pull a trigger 200 yards away 0.93

00:31:50.860 and somehow blow Kennedy's head off the back of his, 0.97

00:31:54.740 no, we know that's nonsense as well. 0.98

00:31:57.440 The Warren Commission, that one was called, 0.99

00:32:00.840 head by one of the Dullet, wasn't it Foster Dulles 1.00

00:32:03.500 who was in charge of that? 1.00

00:32:05.220 And we all know it's nonsense.

00:32:06.440 We all know that nobody's ever got to the bottom of what actually happened.

00:32:11.580 They can't release the files 63 years later.

00:32:13.780 They have not released every JFK assassination-related file.

00:32:17.800 The CIA still has them.

00:32:19.860 It's crazy.

00:32:21.160 Exactly.

00:32:22.420 And we all have to remember that JFK, love him or not,

00:32:29.080 he made that incredible speech at the University of Massachusetts

00:32:32.880 in front of the, it's called a commencement speech, isn't it?

00:32:37.160 And it's for graduating students.

00:32:40.840 I'm getting chills remembering what he said.

00:32:43.960 Do you know what he said? 1.00

00:32:45.100 We must make peace with the Russians.

00:32:48.340 They're our brothers and sisters. 0.97

00:32:50.720 And look where we are now.

00:32:52.740 They're desperate to have a war with Russia. 0.75

00:32:54.920 That's what the whole Ukraine nonsense is all about.

00:32:58.800 And so, you know, Kennedy was right and they killed him.

00:33:02.880 And so it doesn't suit whoever it is who makes all the profit out of war.

00:33:10.820 They want wars to have.

00:33:12.380 They couldn't care less about the human rights of ordinary people anywhere.

00:33:16.800 It doesn't matter if you're an American or a Russian or Chinese or Indian or English.

00:33:23.300 It doesn't matter.

00:33:23.880 They couldn't care less.

00:33:25.520 All they care about probably is profit and power.

00:33:30.580 Well, we care about something different than that.

00:33:34.280 We care about one another.

00:33:37.020 And we, as I said in that little thing I gave to you earlier,

00:33:40.560 we try and develop our capacity for empathy with our brothers and sisters

00:33:45.540 in other countries across national borders or religious differences or whatever.

00:33:51.940 No, we're all human beings.

00:33:54.060 There is only one race, the human race.

00:33:57.700 And we're all part of it.

00:33:59.060 We have an absolute responsibility to try and help one another.

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00:35:36.280 only on netflix on this show so once you raise these questions in public yeah what was the

00:35:44.580 response which question what this the questions about 9-11 like why can't we have an inquiry

00:35:51.760 Hey, Tucker, we're doing it. This is us doing it today. We're doing it together.

00:35:56.840 I'm a sympathetic ear on this question. Not everyone is.

00:36:01.220 No, I do understand that. But that's what we're doing. That's why I'm here. And that's why I'm so grateful for you to be having this conversation with me about this.

00:36:14.000 Because you have a huge audience, and when your audience hear this, maybe they'll go, you know what, why don't we have an investigation?

00:36:22.800 Well, we made a whole documentary on the subject, multi-part, and I didn't know until right now that there had never been an inquiry, an independent inquiry by court into 9-11.

00:36:33.680 I'm just a little bit shocked to hear that.

00:36:35.520 Isn't that bizarre?

00:36:37.200 So thank you, Matt.

00:36:38.380 and god bless you jeff you know and and your family and all the other families and all the

00:36:45.180 families of all the firefighters who lost their lives and this is who who are they're the eyewitness

00:36:52.100 and the earwitness report boom boom boom boom they all heard it they all know it everybody knows it

00:36:57.480 and you open your eyes and the story of the bbc and building seven what they tell you that it's

00:37:04.480 fallen down half an hour before they demolish it it's bizarre so yeah so so this this is a huge

00:37:12.340 this could be this conversation between you and me could be a turning point for for for the whole

00:37:19.940 human race i often say this in other contexts but we're right in it now you and i are right in the

00:37:28.500 middle of a battle, an existential battle for the soul of the human race. Can we empathize with

00:37:39.780 one another or not? Or will we allow the oligarchs and sometimes people in our governments

00:37:47.360 to keep us at each other's throats over dimes and groats when we should be giving one another

00:37:56.360 a helping hand and communicating and cooperating across national boundaries, particularly with

00:38:04.300 the Russians and the Chinese and the Iranians, let us not forget. I've got another piece here,

00:38:11.600 which I won't read you, but on the same day I wrote another note where I said,

00:38:16.780 how bizarre is it that they're suggesting that we should invade Iran? This was eight and a half

00:38:22.220 years ago that I was responding to that. And then Russia. Are you insane? Do you know who 0.94

00:38:29.180 the Russian people are? And you do know, do you not, that they won the Second World War

00:38:34.720 before you lot got involved in it? 20 million Russians died saving this planet from the Nazis.

00:38:43.240 20 million 0.82

00:38:45.100 and we want to have a fight with them

00:38:48.560 it's just

00:38:50.200 I've been there

00:38:52.320 they're lovely people

00:38:54.720 I agree

00:38:55.400 you've been there

00:38:56.340 I saw your thing about the underground station

00:38:58.900 yeah it was very moving

00:39:00.940 I found that moving

00:39:02.420 and it's such a surprise

00:39:05.440 oh really 0.71

00:39:06.360 no Russians are monsters 1.00

00:39:08.620 they're communist monsters 1.00

00:39:09.940 they would destroy us all 1.00

00:39:12.340 That's a civilized country.

00:39:14.140 If there's a definition of civilized, it's that.

00:39:17.260 And it's many, many different groups, ethnic groups,

00:39:20.520 from all everything from the Chinese borders to the Ukraine.

00:39:26.220 So it's all very, very difficult.

00:39:29.160 But are you worried that the West is moving toward an actual war with Russia,

00:39:34.940 not just Ukraine against Russia, but Western Europe, U.S. against Russia?

00:39:38.640 I'm worried that some of the people in the governments of the United States of America and the UK and the European Union are making blood-curdlingly, bloodthirsty noises about the possibility of fighting.

00:39:58.220 particularly in Germany, by the way,

00:40:01.260 they're trying now to get 5% of the GNP

00:40:04.820 of all the European countries

00:40:06.800 to be put into a big piggy bank 0.78

00:40:09.280 in order to fight the Russians. 0.82

00:40:12.080 The Russians don't want to invade Europe.

00:40:14.620 What are they talking about?

00:40:15.880 But they're saying that

00:40:16.940 and they're saying it publicly.

00:40:19.340 And they do it.

00:40:20.920 Who knows why they do it?

00:40:22.380 They do it because maybe

00:40:24.180 they're asked to say those things

00:40:27.080 by whoever it is is paying them.

00:40:29.240 It's still a bit of a business, politics in Europe,

00:40:32.280 and definitely in the United States of America.

00:40:34.980 There's a ruling elite with a lot of money,

00:40:38.860 and so they pay politicians to do their bidding

00:40:42.800 and what they want, because it suits them.

00:40:45.480 Because they make money, basically.

00:40:47.800 It's greed. 0.75

00:40:49.780 They're greedy, in my view.

00:40:52.100 That's my view.

00:40:53.160 I don't think there's any question you're right.

00:40:55.060 I mean, it's obviously true.

00:40:56.220 It's obviously true. It's just that when you push an entire continent into a war that it cannot win, by definition, you risk the lives of millions of people. I mean, that's a big step to do something like that.

00:41:09.520 It sure is. Yeah. And it's crazy. Now, we have to be cooperating with the Russians.

00:41:16.720 Of course.

00:41:17.400 Particularly.

00:41:18.520 Yes.

00:41:19.740 And they could be, you've been there. You've met them.

00:41:21.940 Yeah, a couple of times.

00:41:22.480 Me too. I've worked there a lot in my life. I do interviews with them whenever I can. It sort of half breaks my heart that I can't watch RT anymore because it's banned. You can't watch Russia today.

00:41:39.120 We used to be able to in America up until the start, up until 22, up until February, whenever it was, 2022, when the special military operation, as the Russians call it, started because the Minsk Accords were not adhered to.

00:41:57.000 But that's another conversation.

00:41:59.220 But may I ask, so you grew up in England. Your father was killed fighting the Nazis in the Second World War. You grew up in a victor country that congratulated itself on its freedoms. If we hadn't sacrificed, we'd all be speaking German and marching in rows. They always said that. Is it strange to live in a world where you're not allowed to watch a certain TV channel?

00:42:22.160 Yeah, of course it is.

00:42:24.780 And I did grow up in post-war England,

00:42:27.340 and suddenly we had a national health service

00:42:29.440 because we had a Labour government after the Second World War. 1.00

00:42:33.660 And then, weirdly enough, it all turned to rat shit 0.99

00:42:36.180 with Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher 0.99

00:42:38.020 and all that right-wing stuff coming back in again,

00:42:41.060 which it did.

00:42:43.340 And interestingly enough, I wrote The Wall in 1979.

00:42:47.000 I wrote a song in that called Goodbye Blue Sky.

00:42:49.660 and it's a beautiful song

00:42:53.940 did you hear the frightened ones

00:42:59.040 did you see the falling bombs

00:43:00.680 did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter

00:43:04.580 when the promise of a brave new world

00:43:06.960 unfurled beneath a clear blue sky

00:43:10.140 that is a lament

00:43:11.800 for the fact that the second world war

00:43:15.460 was not the war to end all wars

00:43:18.480 like the First World War was meant to be,

00:43:21.320 that we certainly realized that this idea that we had

00:43:24.980 that we could live in a socialist future

00:43:27.320 where we looked after one another

00:43:29.060 and also a future where we didn't have wars,

00:43:33.340 nation against nation,

00:43:35.180 was a pipe dream

00:43:37.000 because it didn't suit the oligarchs

00:43:42.480 who, whenever it was in 1948

00:43:46.300 for the Declaration of Human Rights

00:43:48.420 had their fingers crossed behind their backs

00:43:50.380 because they never believed in human rights at all.

00:43:53.180 They believe in profit, and that's all there is to it.

00:43:57.620 So we live in a very difficult time where it may be

00:44:00.980 unless you, with your audience, or me, with my tiny voice,

00:44:07.880 can join with our brothers and sisters

00:44:09.920 and pull together the ordinary working people

00:44:14.200 all over the globe, and we can make the voice of the choir so loud

00:44:19.960 that we can drown out the propaganda of the ruling class,

00:44:26.680 particularly in the United States,

00:44:28.800 because ordinary people have been so hoodwinked by them,

00:44:34.820 and they believe, oh, we're the greatest country in the world.

00:44:37.320 No, you're not.

00:44:39.640 And anyway, even if there was a great country and they're not great,

00:44:43.780 It's not important.

00:44:45.540 What's important is, are you kind?

00:44:50.940 Can you be kind to people?

00:44:54.180 That's what's important, because that's what brings joy to your life.

00:44:58.560 You know, and we all know it.

00:45:00.800 Charlie McKesey, who's an artist I know in England,

00:45:04.880 he wrote a great book.

00:45:06.620 It's a sort of cartoon, but it's a book.

00:45:08.600 And it's called The Boy, The Mole, The Fox, and The Horse,

00:45:12.640 is the name of this book.

00:45:13.780 Check it out, because on page three, and I know this because I knew him

00:45:18.420 and he gave me a copy and he said his name or whatever,

00:45:22.000 the mole and the boy who've made friends are sitting on a branch of a tree

00:45:26.400 and the mole says to the boy, what do you want to be when you grow up?

00:45:31.840 And the boy says, kind.

00:45:34.820 I'm sorry to be sort of sentimental

00:45:39.960 but I get like

00:45:41.860 oh my goodness

00:45:45.260 yeah that's what I want to be too

00:45:47.740 and that's what I want all my brothers and sisters

00:45:50.260 kind

00:45:51.180 be kind to one another

00:45:53.900 then you can't have a war

00:45:57.080 war is a really really bad idea

00:46:01.820 Donald

00:46:03.560 It's a terrible idea.

00:46:06.100 Yeah, for everyone.

00:46:07.100 For everyone, yeah.

00:46:09.360 You have been vocal in your criticism of the killing in Gaza.

00:46:14.400 Yep.

00:46:15.620 And of the treatment of the Palestinians over a number of years,

00:46:19.200 probably the last 20 years.

00:46:22.320 It's exactly 20.

00:46:23.900 Exactly 20?

00:46:24.780 Yeah.

00:46:25.680 Why did you decide?

00:46:27.020 I mean, you must have known that saying something about that,

00:46:30.060 you were going to forfeit some of your hard-earned rock star privileges.

00:46:36.580 Yeah.

00:46:37.280 I mean, right?

00:46:38.600 Yeah.

00:46:39.660 Yeah.

00:46:40.620 I went there.

00:46:42.060 Oh.

00:46:42.280 I did a gig in a place called Nevis Shalom,

00:46:45.140 Wahat Asalam in Arabic,

00:46:48.080 which was a peace village halfway between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem

00:46:52.460 where they grew chickpeas. 0.58

00:46:55.140 And I did a gig in the open air.

00:46:56.700 And I did it after I'd cancelled the gig in Tel Aviv in a football stadium called, I can't remember what it's called, Hayakon.

00:47:06.600 It's called Hayakon Park. 0.97

00:47:07.940 And it's built on the ruins of a destroyed Palestinian village. 0.75

00:47:13.980 And I'd never been anywhere near Israel.

00:47:15.980 And I'd believed all the propaganda of, you know, the socialist Israelis with their democratic ways, rolling their sleeves up and creating all this, you know, a wonderful country.

00:47:28.500 And then I went there and I saw the apartheid.

00:47:33.540 I saw what was happening.

00:47:35.160 And I went back two years later and I drove all over the West Bank with Unruh and with a woman from Unruh.

00:47:45.980 called Allegra Paceo.

00:47:48.980 And I'll never forget,

00:47:50.220 we were driving north towards Janine one day

00:47:52.960 and I went, well, at least they have nice roads

00:47:55.040 because it was a nice two-lane, blacktop,

00:47:58.720 dolmack road. 0.66

00:48:00.040 And Allegra looked at me like I was daft or something 0.98

00:48:03.160 and she said, yeah, if you're Jewish. 0.97

00:48:06.940 I went, what are you talking about?

00:48:08.180 She said, you're not allowed to drive on this road 0.55

00:48:10.280 unless you're Jewish. 1.00

00:48:12.000 I just said, don't be silly. 1.00

00:48:14.760 Can you imagine going, you want to drive to Pennsylvania or somewhere, 0.96

00:48:18.680 you know, Philadelphia, and you go to get on the I-95,

00:48:22.420 and they go, you're a Christian, aren't you?

00:48:24.740 Because if you're not, you can't go on the road.

00:48:26.960 And you go, what? 0.99

00:48:29.340 Don't be daft. 0.99

00:48:30.360 Well, that's it. 0.99

00:48:32.380 It's a completely apartheid society. 1.00

00:48:35.340 If you're an Arab, you're not allowed on the road. 0.92

00:48:38.920 I didn't believe it, but I did after a bit, 1.00

00:48:41.780 And I saw, and it was just hell on earth.

00:48:46.240 They've created hell on earth.

00:48:49.460 And in that visit and those visits that I made,

00:48:53.720 I decided that I would be vocal and do anything that I could

00:48:57.880 to help my Palestinian brothers and sisters

00:49:00.120 to achieve equal human rights with their Jewish brothers and sisters

00:49:06.180 between the Jordan River and the sea.

00:49:09.720 I'm not asking anyone to kill anyone, right?

00:49:13.880 But you have to be equal.

00:49:15.620 You can't have apartheid.

00:49:17.600 You cannot allow apartheid societies to spring up in the world.

00:49:22.960 That is not a way to encourage one another to be kind, in my view.

00:49:31.820 So you see this, you're stunned by it, moved by it, outraged by it.

00:49:37.080 When do you decide to talk about it?

00:49:38.780 Did you think about it?

00:49:39.820 Immediately.

00:49:40.500 Immediately.

00:49:41.300 Yeah.

00:49:43.100 And what was the response you got?

00:49:46.360 Well, the Israeli lobby in America particularly

00:49:51.900 were not best pleased.

00:49:53.920 So they would, and they have ever since then

00:49:57.120 done everything that they can to destroy my career.

00:50:01.200 They have failed.

00:50:03.700 I fight back, you know.

00:50:06.140 what have they done

00:50:09.000 well one thing that they

00:50:15.440 one thing they did

00:50:16.460 and it's almost the most criminal thing

00:50:19.500 in my view that they did

00:50:20.800 was

00:50:21.040 I used to work for an organization

00:50:25.740 called

00:50:27.360 Stand Up for Heroes

00:50:29.120 and it's helping

00:50:30.820 wounded American servicemen

00:50:33.860 limbs missing

00:50:35.680 you know whatever

00:50:36.420 and somebody asked me

00:50:39.180 Bob and Lee Woodruff

00:50:40.940 is the name of the people

00:50:42.540 who run a foundation

00:50:44.820 called the Woodruff Foundation

00:50:45.960 I know them yes

00:50:46.980 okay well

00:50:47.900 and Bob called me up one day

00:50:51.260 and I thought

00:50:52.080 who's this Bob Woodruff

00:50:53.340 never heard of you

00:50:54.180 you know

00:50:54.520 and he said

00:50:55.360 there's this thing

00:50:56.120 and we do a thing

00:50:56.840 called Stand Up for Heroes

00:50:58.180 where comics do

00:50:59.520 and somebody plays

00:51:00.860 and Springsteen comes

00:51:02.400 and he sings a song

00:51:03.480 and auctions a guitar

00:51:04.760 We raised money for these wounded men.

00:51:07.300 Would you come and sing a song?

00:51:09.480 And I thought it through and I thought, well, let me think about it.

00:51:14.320 And he said, well, we're doing a thing at the National History Museum in a week's time.

00:51:18.720 Would you come?

00:51:19.620 It's just, you know, a glass of champagne and meet some of the men and see what you think.

00:51:23.980 And so I did.

00:51:24.640 I went to this thing and I was wandering around with my glass of champagne.

00:51:28.760 And there were a number of men in uniform around.

00:51:32.820 One of them is in a wheelchair.

00:51:34.180 he's got no legs and only one arm

00:51:36.160 and he's in his dress blue

00:51:37.540 so he's got all the kit on

00:51:39.300 and he was sitting on his own

00:51:41.000 so I thought well in for a penny

00:51:43.020 and I went over and started talking to him

00:51:45.880 and I'm smiling now

00:51:47.820 because he's a friend of mine now

00:51:49.380 this was in 2013

00:51:52.400 so that's 13 years ago now

00:51:54.300 and he looked up at me like that

00:51:58.440 sort of to be polite

00:51:59.680 and then his eyes opened wide

00:52:02.500 and I realized that he recognized me.

00:52:09.100 And so he went, and so it went like that bit,

00:52:14.540 and then he said, I play the guitar too.

00:52:18.480 So he was a Latino guy. 1.00

00:52:21.740 And then I looked at him, he's got no legs and only one arm, 0.99

00:52:26.820 and I'm thinking that's a bit of a stretch, playing the guitar.

00:52:29.900 and he could see the look in my eye

00:52:32.900 and bless him, his name's Dom

00:52:34.400 so he looked at me and he went

00:52:36.900 oh yeah, well I don't play the guitar anymore

00:52:39.900 and he went, now I play the drums

00:52:41.920 and he does

00:52:43.040 and he's a bloody good drummer as well

00:52:45.040 so that was the start

00:52:47.540 so I went back to Bob

00:52:49.260 and Lee Woodruff

00:52:51.140 and said

00:52:52.280 I'd feel a bit funny getting up there

00:52:54.880 with all my arms and legs singing a song

00:52:57.680 however worthy it is

00:52:59.400 What if I go down to Walter Reed, because that's where a lot of these guys were, Bethesda it was called then, I think, the Naval Hospital.

00:53:10.920 What if I find, there's a bloke down there called Arthur Bloom, who's running a therapeutic rehabilitation music program. 0.93

00:53:19.540 What if I went down there and started a band, and we played, and they went, don't be daft. 0.84

00:53:27.360 And I went, I'm not being daft, I'm being serious.

00:53:30.260 Anyway, they said yes, and we did it, and we did it.

00:53:34.760 2013 in the Beacon Theatre,

00:53:36.980 and 2014 at Madison Square Garden, and blah, and blah.

00:53:42.120 But then, and this is to answer your question,

00:53:45.460 2015 was coming up.

00:53:47.540 No, yeah, 2015.

00:53:49.500 And I was in the Hamptons in the summer,

00:53:51.800 and I suddenly thought, hang on a minute, it's August,

00:53:53.920 I haven't had the phone call,

00:53:55.160 because the show would be in November.

00:53:57.360 so I called the producer

00:54:00.180 he's a lovely guy

00:54:01.120 called Andrew Fox

00:54:02.260 and I went

00:54:03.300 Andrew

00:54:03.820 I haven't had the phone call

00:54:05.420 silence

00:54:06.860 I went

00:54:07.640 uh-uh

00:54:09.000 get over here

00:54:10.920 and he did

00:54:11.920 and we sat outside

00:54:13.980 with a glass of wine

00:54:15.000 I said

00:54:15.280 come on

00:54:15.940 cough

00:54:16.580 what's going on

00:54:17.680 and he told me

00:54:18.660 it was the Israeli lobby

00:54:20.820 who've decided

00:54:21.560 that you can't do it anymore

00:54:23.000 what?

00:54:24.560 what about the men?

00:54:25.800 no the men can't

00:54:26.800 either because if the men do it and you're not there,

00:54:30.160 people will ask questions.

00:54:31.640 So you're not allowed to help veterans

00:54:32.860 if you criticize Israel? 1.00

00:54:35.500 Israel, that's correct, yeah. 0.93

00:54:37.820 Yeah, you're not allowed to help veterans.

00:54:40.320 Or I was involved in other charities

00:54:43.360 which were distributing food from restaurants,

00:54:47.140 posh restaurants in New York.

00:54:49.460 It's called City Harvest.

00:54:50.800 Yes.

00:54:52.240 They told City Harvest the same thing.

00:54:54.760 not a single cent from any of us

00:54:57.780 if you go on dealing with Roger Waters.

00:55:01.260 In other words, accepting help from you.

00:55:03.560 Yeah.

00:55:04.500 You were just a volunteer, just giving...

00:55:06.680 Well, I was a friend of the people running it as well,

00:55:09.940 but no, you can't, you can't.

00:55:11.800 So all I'm saying is it's disgusting beyond any imagination.

00:55:17.680 And for what?

00:55:18.700 For being critical of an apartheid state, 0.55

00:55:21.820 which is what it was. 0.67

00:55:23.020 I am very critical of the state of Israel.

00:55:25.920 I've got nothing against Jewish people, nothing.

00:55:29.580 I couldn't care less what religion anybody is,

00:55:33.420 as anybody who knows me will tell you.

00:55:37.000 So, yeah.

00:55:39.960 So it is what it is.

00:55:41.440 It got so intense at one point I was reading that you were banned

00:55:45.480 from certain hotels because the hotel...

00:55:47.920 Yeah.

00:55:48.920 Is that true?

00:55:49.680 Yes.

00:55:50.840 Yeah, that didn't start happening until 2023,

00:55:54.620 which was the last big tour I did.

00:55:57.460 And both in Europe and in South America particularly,

00:56:01.800 I couldn't find a hotel to stay anywhere in Buenos Aires

00:56:05.300 or in Colombia or in Ecuador.

00:56:10.020 In Ecuador?

00:56:10.720 Yeah, well, it had just been taken over by Naboa,

00:56:14.580 who, as we know, is a gangster from Miami.

00:56:16.740 so he's

00:56:18.400 who knows what his

00:56:20.560 issues are

00:56:21.580 you couldn't stay in a hotel

00:56:24.640 in Ecuador, Colombia

00:56:26.980 or Argentina because you

00:56:28.660 criticized Israel

00:56:29.420 yes

00:56:29.880 oh Uruguay, Montevideo

00:56:34.420 I couldn't stay in Montevideo

00:56:36.360 we did actually stay in a hotel

00:56:38.680 in Quito in Ecuador

00:56:40.160 but they had to pretend I wasn't there

00:56:43.040 you couldn't make it up

00:56:46.420 That's a long way from Israel. What does Quito, Ecuador, or Bonavideo, Uruguay, or BA have to do with Israel?

00:56:57.520 There's an Israeli lobby that is very organized in all of those places, and there may well be in other cities in the world as well.

00:57:05.580 Certainly, yeah, certainly in many other cities.

00:57:09.480 Frankfurt, they tried to cancel my gig in Frankfurt.

00:57:13.200 They did cancel my gig in Krakow in Poland in 2023.

00:57:17.900 On what grounds?

00:57:20.680 On the grounds that they wanted to cancel me.

00:57:24.120 because I was critical of the genocide

00:57:28.460 because I'm against genocide and they're not.

00:57:32.860 They're in favor of it.

00:57:34.820 That's why they're all quiet.

00:57:36.400 They're silent.

00:57:37.320 They all keep silent.

00:57:38.600 They close their mouths.

00:57:40.380 They won't speak because they know

00:57:43.000 that they'll get the treatment that I get

00:57:44.940 if they open their mouths.

00:57:46.940 There is a very powerful lobby

00:57:49.620 and it wants Israel to go on being a genocidal apartheid state

00:57:58.240 and to expand and to take over Lebanon and Syria and Jordan and greater Israel. 0.82

00:58:05.920 It's the whole, it's the plan.

00:58:08.600 They're not, they don't make, it's not a secret.

00:58:13.700 Netanyahu and Ben Gavir and who's the ambassador there?

00:58:17.900 The U.S. ambassador is called Mike Huckabee?

00:58:20.880 Mike Huckabee, excuse me for laughing. 1.00

00:58:23.820 But yeah, crazy Christian Zionists. 1.00

00:58:27.760 And you know what? 1.00

00:58:29.000 And maybe at the bottom of it all is they're all waiting for the coming of the Messiah. 0.53

00:58:33.980 They don't care. 0.98

00:58:34.840 Well, Mike Huckabee obviously hopes it'll be Jesus because then he can go to heaven with Mike Pence and the other Christian Zionists. 0.99

00:58:43.300 I'm sorry to make fun of you. 1.00

00:58:45.160 I couldn't agree more. 0.93

00:58:46.280 Or that's not Christianity, just for the record.

00:58:48.260 It's not even a close facsimile of Christianity.

00:58:51.060 As I recall, you're a Christian, right?

00:58:54.260 Yes, I am.

00:58:55.100 As I recall, Jesus threw the moneylenders out of the temple.

00:58:59.580 Yes.

00:59:00.020 Or tried to.

00:59:01.240 Yeah.

00:59:01.540 That's probably why they crucified him, braided a whip.

00:59:04.700 There you go.

00:59:06.380 And I'm not making a joke about that.

00:59:09.140 That bit of history really impresses me.

00:59:11.900 Because usury is, you know, one of the things that the U.S. government and other governments, particularly the Israeli government, have got against Iran is that lending money for profit is illegal in Iran.

00:59:29.200 Really? I didn't know that.

00:59:30.560 It's against the law. Usury is against the law in the Islamic Republic of Iran, in Persia. It's illegal.

00:59:42.720 Why would that offend other governments?

00:59:45.800 Yeah, it's the basis of the way everything works,

00:59:50.000 is that you get control over a government by lending them money.

00:59:54.180 And once you've lent them the money or given them the money,

00:59:57.860 I mean, don't look at me with your brow furrowed like that.

01:00:01.220 You've seen the Congress of the United States and the cash that they've got.

01:00:06.420 Of course, I know what you're saying.

01:00:10.120 Again, I agree with you completely.

01:00:11.900 I didn't know that usury was banned in Iran, though.

01:00:14.820 Yeah.

01:00:16.340 Or I'd forgotten.

01:00:20.020 What is...

01:00:21.740 When you saw the United States go to war with Iran,

01:00:24.760 what did you think?

01:00:26.460 United States and Israel.

01:00:29.020 Well, it's despicable, obviously, to attack Iran.

01:00:32.880 Why?

01:00:33.700 They've done nothing.

01:00:35.020 What have they done?

01:00:35.860 Nothing.

01:00:37.180 Certainly posing no threat to anyone in the United States of America 1.00

01:00:40.780 But all Israel, as far as we can tell, none. 1.00

01:00:44.760 They're just, they're in the way because they have a different view. 0.97

01:00:47.920 For instance, usury is illegal under their system.

01:00:52.160 Whether it's anything to do with Islam or whether it's just to do with their form of socialism, I've no idea. 0.67

01:00:59.400 But it goes against the grain in a big way. 1.00

01:01:04.980 But why have another one? 0.69

01:01:07.660 You know, because it's part of Wesley Clark's prediction as well, you go, oh my goodness, it's only Iran and Lebanon are the only two countries on the list that have not been totally destroyed, including Syria and Lebanon, Somalia and Sudan and blah and blah and blah.

01:01:30.040 you know

01:01:33.940 this was the plan of the neocons

01:01:36.840 all along

01:01:38.060 the new American century

01:01:40.960 I'm sorry to sound as if

01:01:43.180 I'm banging on about because

01:01:44.560 you know my mum came over here

01:01:46.900 before the war as well

01:01:48.220 and she did say, she said to me

01:01:50.840 she used to say to me because she was 0.99

01:01:52.820 very left wing, her politics

01:01:54.380 she said the people I met in America

01:01:57.080 darling were very nice people

01:01:58.960 many, many of them, very kind and very hospitable, you know, and blah, blah, blah.

01:02:06.380 But, and she would lower her voice a bit, they're very, very naive.

01:02:12.140 And I know we can laugh, but it's like to be suckered into the state you're in now, 0.93

01:02:19.240 as you are the absolute devil as far as the rest of the world is,

01:02:23.980 Obviously, because you wage war ferociously in order to line your own pockets 0.99

01:02:33.000 and in ways that the rest of the world finds despicable.

01:02:37.420 Look at what's happening in Venezuela now.

01:02:39.800 And there's no pretense made about it.

01:02:43.240 Oh, we're going to go in and just steal all the oil and anything of any value.

01:02:48.540 And that's now the model. 0.83

01:02:50.360 so that might be the reason to have a war with Russia 0.55

01:02:54.180 then we could steal whatever's under the ground

01:02:56.380 because we haven't got it 1.00

01:02:57.700 or the Chinese 1.00

01:02:58.980 even worse 0.52

01:03:00.580 they've got even more rare minerals

01:03:02.740 if you want to make

01:03:04.640 I don't know

01:03:05.480 little computers and things

01:03:07.000 we're getting away from Matt Campbell

01:03:09.000 and his brother Jeff

01:03:10.220 but I don't mind

01:03:11.320 this is an interesting conversation

01:03:13.540 it is interesting

01:03:14.420 and it's

01:03:15.180 you probably don't read a lot of what's written about you

01:03:19.300 but you are described as a hater and a dangerous man.

01:03:22.140 And I have listened for the last hour

01:03:24.220 as you've invade against war in favor of kindness.

01:03:28.880 Yeah.

01:03:29.500 Said, I don't recognize ethnic or religious distinctions.

01:03:33.340 I just love people.

01:03:34.780 These are not words of hate.

01:03:36.280 These are the opposite.

01:03:37.580 Correct.

01:03:38.520 How exactly, I mean, I'm just taking you by your own words.

01:03:41.260 Thank you.

01:03:43.120 How is it that you have been slandered

01:03:46.780 by the media as the opposite of what you say you are.

01:03:51.520 Well, it's like, how is it that in England over the last year

01:03:54.840 they've been describing pro-Palestinian marches

01:03:58.560 that are anti-genocide as hate marches?

01:04:03.080 Not that my friends who are out in the streets

01:04:05.900 protesting against the actual genocide that's going on now

01:04:10.160 of the Palestinian people.

01:04:11.900 and yet the British media call those hate marches

01:04:17.760 it's bizarre

01:04:19.580 there's no hatred involved in those marches

01:04:22.840 it's pure love

01:04:24.500 it's exactly what I'm proposing

01:04:28.220 it's exactly what I support with all my heart

01:04:32.320 and have done all my life

01:04:33.920 it's like the little thing I gave you

01:04:37.260 every word I've ever written in all my rock and roll writing

01:04:41.160 is about that

01:04:44.660 is about encouraging

01:04:46.760 empathy for others

01:04:50.120 in myself and in others

01:04:52.120 that's all I write about

01:04:56.080 because it's what I care about

01:04:58.080 it's what my mum and dad instilled in me

01:05:00.400 my father who was killed by the Nazis

01:05:02.900 and my mother who with every bone in her body

01:05:06.240 believed in the inherent goodness

01:05:09.360 of the human race

01:05:11.320 and believed in the possibility

01:05:15.160 of, what was it?

01:05:19.020 Why we had to run for shelter

01:05:20.900 when the promise of a brave new world

01:05:23.320 unfurled beneath a clear blue sky.

01:05:27.700 Okay.

01:05:28.360 My mum believed

01:05:29.920 in the brave new world

01:05:32.900 unfurling.

01:05:34.300 And we're not talking Aldous Huxley now.

01:05:36.320 No, right.

01:05:36.920 Not that brave new world,

01:05:38.220 but an actual real world where people love one another and help one another

01:05:43.760 and get back what it is.

01:05:46.320 It's like, there's a poem I wrote years ago.

01:05:48.980 There's something, the doctor's note from ages gone

01:05:53.860 or something, good friends to help rebuild the barn.

01:05:57.800 I was thinking of it as I drove through the countryside,

01:06:00.760 coming up here through Maine and seeing all these houses dotted.

01:06:04.660 They're all the same.

01:06:05.520 They're all cardboard, you know, copies of one another.

01:06:11.440 They're all clapboard.

01:06:12.800 They're all white or brown or whatever.

01:06:15.740 But you can imagine people living in them, human beings.

01:06:19.840 And you can imagine people.

01:06:22.940 Look, his barn's falling down.

01:06:24.420 Let's go and help him rebuild it.

01:06:26.700 Good neighbors to help rebuild the barn.

01:06:29.200 That's what we need, not war.

01:06:31.460 War is the absolute worst possible thing, and yet they're the biggest industries in the developed Western countries.

01:06:40.900 And the most zealously defended, I will say that.

01:06:43.360 You've been doing media interviews for 50 years more.

01:06:47.240 How would you describe the media's role in war?

01:06:53.080 Well, sadly, holding it up, more war.

01:07:00.680 It's basically what the Western media now is sort of more or less saying more.

01:07:05.180 They're certainly not going, I think we should go and stand outside Raytheon and stop it.

01:07:12.180 You know, or let's all go to Washington, D.C. and say, if you drop another bomb on Iran,

01:07:20.360 you won't be anywhere to do with any government that represents me.

01:07:25.700 Because it's the worst possible thing that you could be doing.

01:07:28.880 or going and kidnapping Nicolas Maduro and Celia Flores from Caracas where they live,

01:07:37.640 where he's the president of the country and the head of state just because you've got helicopters 0.99

01:07:43.320 and morons with guns will do anything they're bloody well told. 1.00

01:07:47.980 You know, it's awful, obviously. 1.00

01:07:50.120 This is even worse than the Biden administration or Bush before that.

01:07:56.120 It's gone, you've gone downhill in a big way, haven't you?

01:07:59.760 I mean, it feels like it to me. 1.00

01:08:02.380 I mean, I think it's going to be hard to emerge from this Iran thing intact. 1.00

01:08:08.080 I mean, I think it's very destructive. 1.00

01:08:10.040 Well, it's so self-destructive as well.

01:08:13.260 Entirely. Entirely.

01:08:15.520 Anyway.

01:08:16.020 Yeah, it's, yeah, I'm still trying to figure out why we did it, exactly the mechanics of it.

01:08:20.500 But yeah, no, it's worse even than I worried it would be for us and for the world.

01:08:26.740 So I completely agree.

01:08:28.660 So when you go do interviews, how do people respond to you?

01:08:31.800 How does the media respond to you?

01:08:34.200 Well, the media doesn't speak to me.

01:08:36.820 What do you mean?

01:08:38.100 Well, they don't.

01:08:38.940 I don't do any mainstream media.

01:08:41.880 The closest I come to mainstream media is Piers Morgan, who shouts at me for half an hour.

01:08:47.720 And you, who have, I have to say, a very nice host, gave me a sandwich, for God's sake, which was very nice.

01:08:58.100 But you don't do morning shows on network television?

01:09:03.000 No one asks you to come and talk?

01:09:04.560 No.

01:09:07.000 No, I'm persona non grata out there in media land.

01:09:12.240 You think the New York Times would print an article if I wrote it?

01:09:15.880 I've sent umpteen articles to big newspapers all over.

01:09:20.660 I don't anymore because I know that nothing will ever get printed,

01:09:24.480 not a single word.

01:09:26.160 I'm verboten.

01:09:27.860 And I'm proud of it.

01:09:30.500 I sort of am proud of it because I'm preaching kindness.

01:09:35.400 Yes.

01:09:35.740 Thank you, Charlie McKeezy, by the way.

01:09:37.780 I hope you see this and you get your name thing

01:09:40.260 because it's such a beautiful little book.

01:09:42.120 The Boy, the Mole, the Fox, and the Horse.

01:09:45.880 What do you want to be when you grow up?

01:09:48.180 Kind.

01:09:53.980 Last question.

01:09:55.260 Thank you for this.

01:09:55.480 Go on, then.

01:09:57.020 Where does this go, do you think?

01:09:59.180 So we're on the precipice of a deepening Iran war, 0.65

01:10:02.480 a total explosion in Russia. 0.93

01:10:07.040 Do you have any hope at all 0.96

01:10:09.620 that this can be resolved peacefully,

01:10:11.460 these two conflicts?

01:10:12.620 Samud is an Arabic word that means perseverance, steadfast perseverance, in resistance, particularly to the occupation of your homeland.

01:10:27.300 So it's a very well-used and well-worn Arabic word,

01:10:31.680 and it moved me when I first heard it, what it is.

01:10:36.180 And I've written a song called Samud,

01:10:37.980 and I won't try and remember all the lyrics because I can't,

01:10:41.900 but I know how it finishes up.

01:10:44.020 It finishes up with me talking about all the ordinary people

01:10:49.540 all over the world standing shoulder to shoulder

01:10:54.120 from the river to the sea, from every river to every sea,

01:10:58.540 all over everywhere, okay,

01:11:02.020 and raising their voices together as one, ordinary people, okay?

01:11:10.040 And I'm not going to try and remember the exact form of the words,

01:11:13.600 but it ends up with this idea, when they do that with sumud,

01:11:19.640 with steadfast perseverance, all together,

01:11:24.120 they can turn this ship around.

01:11:28.520 But it will take them to do it.

01:11:31.540 They will have to do it.

01:11:33.460 The people standing shoulder to shoulder, arm in arm.

01:11:37.840 It will take that kind of force to turn this ship around

01:11:44.120 from its path to the ultimate destruction of the human race,

01:11:49.100 imminent destruction of the human race.

01:11:51.040 This could end in a nuclear conflagration at any minute with the way.

01:11:54.900 Very easily.

01:11:55.720 Very easily.

01:11:58.020 So we, and people who do speak to me, right, like USB speak to me.

01:12:05.600 Who's USB?

01:12:07.200 USB is the dock workers' union in Italy.

01:12:11.800 They revere me.

01:12:13.900 I'm a hero.

01:12:14.900 So at least you got the dock workers' union in Italy.

01:12:17.820 And that, oh, that makes me so happy.

01:12:20.440 You know, the thought that ordinary people may hear my voice and may go, you know what?

01:12:27.000 He makes a lot of sense.

01:12:28.240 That's how I feel too.

01:12:29.860 Oh, do we really all have?

01:12:31.320 Yes, you do.

01:12:32.720 You all got to come together and raise your voice whenever you get the chance to do it.

01:12:41.020 Because we are many and they are few.

01:12:44.800 The enemy is a very few, very, very rich oligarchs, probably 1,000 or 2,000 of them in the whole world, and they run the whole thing.

01:13:00.480 They keep the wars going, and they do it because they're greedy. 0.94

01:13:03.880 they are naboa in ecuador or this new woman who's just been uh who's just stolen the erection in 0.96

01:13:13.060 peru fujurami or whatever her bloody name is and there's somebody else just come in and cast in

01:13:19.480 chile unfortunately there's a big move to the right politically in south america which i've

01:13:24.820 followed quite a lot so you have to stand out people and you have to organize you know it's

01:13:32.820 Back to listening to what our friend Malcolm X had to say back in the 60s.

01:13:39.140 We have to organize.

01:13:40.600 We've been out-organized.

01:13:42.240 We're not outnumbered or out-thought or out-felt,

01:13:46.060 but we have been out-organized.

01:13:50.060 And so, is there any hope?

01:13:53.740 Yeah, there is.

01:13:54.900 You know, I wrote an opera about the French Revolution called Sarrerat,

01:13:59.600 which is the future tense of Savard.

01:14:01.940 Savard means that's it.

01:14:03.780 Yeah.

01:14:04.640 Seirai means that will be.

01:14:07.260 So it's a sort of full…

01:14:09.080 I'm sorry, you wrote an opera about the French Revolution?

01:14:11.720 Yes, I did.

01:14:12.920 Okay.

01:14:14.320 Something I've never done.

01:14:15.460 No, okay.

01:14:16.480 But hang on.

01:14:17.940 So I just want to say this.

01:14:19.580 The guy who wrote the libretto, mainly, who was a Frenchman, called Étienne Roderjil,

01:14:26.960 he said something to me one day.

01:14:29.140 We were walking down 54th Street.

01:14:31.860 It was early in the morning.

01:14:33.740 He's an alcoholic, so he had to stop for a couple of large scotches,

01:14:39.720 and I had a cup of espresso.

01:14:41.960 Anyway, and he was doing that French thing that they do with his jeton.

01:14:46.180 Yeah.

01:14:47.580 You know, and looking.

01:14:48.840 He loved his mom.

01:14:50.100 And I asked him, I said something to him.

01:14:53.700 I said, what gives you hope, Etienne?

01:14:55.540 and he went

01:14:56.680 and he thought about it

01:14:59.560 and then he lit another Benson and Hedges

01:15:01.560 and had another whiskey

01:15:02.660 and then he went

01:15:03.640 and he started to speak

01:15:06.000 and he wrote

01:15:06.620 I was here

01:15:09.800 I beg your pardon

01:15:11.220 I was here

01:15:12.940 ah oui

01:15:14.160 I felt something

01:15:18.660 yeah

01:15:20.380 and

01:15:25.200 Perhaps I was not alone

01:15:29.220 I wrote it on a piece of paper

01:15:34.140 and it's been in my back pocket ever since

01:15:36.380 and you may have to think about it for a bit

01:15:39.860 I was here, I felt something

01:15:42.440 and perhaps I was not alone

01:15:44.520 It gives me hope too

01:15:47.580 You could use it to describe our conversation

01:15:52.180 I was here

01:15:53.860 I felt something

01:15:54.920 and perhaps

01:15:55.460 I was not alone

01:15:56.460 I don't think

01:15:58.560 we're alone

01:15:59.020 good

01:15:59.920 Roger Waters

01:16:01.360 thank you for that

01:16:02.060 not at all

01:16:02.800 thank you

The Tucker Carlson Show - July 17, 2026

Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters on 9⧸11, JFK, Gaza, and Why the Israel Lobby Is Trying to Destroy Him

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