The Tucker Carlson Show - Shawn Ryan： Trump’s Betrayal, Iran, Government Spying, Encounters With Demons, and Finding God

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00:00:30.000 thank you for coming back sean love coming back here so uh i was thinking about you this morning

00:00:41.620 you've had this kind of unbelievably weird and varied life and maybe the weirdest chapter is

00:00:49.700 now unfolding where you somehow wound up a successful podcaster probably not something

00:00:53.560 you planned definitely not 20 years ago uh what if you learned from it from this chapter

00:00:59.280 What have I learned?

00:01:01.140 Well, I probably only retained 10% of the information

00:01:03.520 that comes through the studio, to be honest with you.

00:01:06.020 And everybody expects me to be a resident expert on anything. 0.99

00:01:08.660 I can't remember shit. 0.99

00:01:10.260 And then I think I know something, 0.99

00:01:11.520 and I had dinner with you last night, 0.99

00:01:13.000 and I realized I really don't know shit. 0.99

00:01:14.320 I don't either. 1.00

00:01:15.300 Yeah, it's the ignorant meeting the ignorant. 0.99

00:01:18.020 But what have I learned? 0.98

00:01:23.900 I've learned I never want to involve myself

00:01:27.860 in the u.s political system or vouch for any man again uh i've learned wait let's just stop there

00:01:35.700 so you didn't start out a hyper political person i remember when your podcast started my nephew

00:01:41.320 told me about it he loved it that's how i met you because my nephew was so impressed by you

00:01:46.200 and um it was mostly on kind of military issues and then there was this period where you

00:01:52.920 I don't know got involved but you got closer to the political process

00:01:56.840 and now you're saying you don't want anything to do with that no I never I just I just don't why

00:02:02.300 well I mean I think we kind of discussed it last time I just every uh everything is a lie we like

00:02:11.020 that became like a coin term I guess but everything everything is a lie I mean every

00:02:15.840 every politician I've sat across from with maybe the acceptance the exception of Eli Crane

00:02:22.060 who i disagree with on a lot of yep i feel i i hate that i even have to say that i don't i don't 0.89

00:02:28.200 agree with everything everything they have to say you know why the fuck do we have to say that i like 0.56

00:02:32.660 eli um he's very you know pro-israel i'm not but um but he can articulate why he is and whatever i

00:02:42.560 respect i respect it at least he's not just regurgitating yes you know like most people

00:02:46.980 but everybody else it's just you know it's been a lie and and and then the other thing is i mean

00:02:53.420 which it really shouldn't bother me but you you talk to somebody and then it's like you

00:02:58.380 you how dare you platform that person and it's like actually i probably just did you a favor

00:03:03.120 because he just spent four hours lying to me on my podcast that you're going to be able to use 1.00

00:03:08.220 for his next political campaign exactly fucking stupid to figure that out aren't you but um 0.99

00:03:13.460 but i mean it's you know and they do i and uh and and i just i don't know you know i put a 1.00

00:03:23.860 a lot of faith in a lot of these guys and women you know that have come on and

00:03:30.520 really i the only one that really impressed me was joe kent you know in the long run

00:03:38.460 Everybody else has just been a wash or a complete disaster. 1.00

00:03:44.900 Just a lying piece of shit. 1.00

00:03:48.020 What about you? 1.00

00:03:50.560 As we discussed last night at dinner,

00:03:52.860 I'm still trying to figure out what all of this means

00:03:55.800 as someone who campaigned for Trump

00:03:58.760 and told everybody Trump is the option to the unit party.

00:04:02.200 You got Republicans, Democrats are on the same side,

00:04:03.900 but Trump is not.

00:04:05.420 He's on a different side, maybe even the public side.

00:04:08.460 And then Trump, the last hope, winds up aligning with Chuck Schumer and just joins the Uniparty in the most obvious way.

00:04:18.980 At that point, you have to ask yourself, is there a political solution to the problems that we have?

00:04:23.860 And I don't know the answer, but I'm starting to think maybe there isn't.

00:04:27.380 I don't know.

00:04:28.160 I feel as discouraged as you do, though.

00:04:29.700 I don't articulate it quite as well and forcefully as you do, but I kind of feel that way.

00:04:35.360 so but i'm interviewing you so let me ask you you're out of politics so where does that leave

00:04:43.860 you what what matters what takes its place um i i think uh i mean just i'm not sure yet i'm still

00:04:54.240 you know we talked last night i'm kind of going through not kind of i'm going through a crazy

00:05:00.980 spiritual transformation right now.

00:05:04.140 And I think God needs to be highlighted

00:05:08.040 and maybe some good stuff.

00:05:10.960 I mean, nobody's, I mean,

00:05:16.980 you just, you can't put faith in man at all.

00:05:22.560 And it's kind of sad to watch everybody

00:05:24.360 scurrying around trying to find the next guy

00:05:26.620 and who's it going to be.

00:05:29.280 and and and you can already see people just like blindly like putting their faith into

00:05:36.160 another human being and it's sad and and spent a lot of time i i became obsessed with evil

00:05:46.160 like obsessed with it and uh on it started with the kids stuff which i'm i'm still i'll probably

00:05:53.440 never stop that. That's just a passion of mine that I, you know, I can, I can handle it. Like

00:05:59.340 I can handle the subject matter. And I think it's important. And I know, you know, we've done a lot

00:06:04.360 of good there. And, um, by educating parents and kids about what, you know, what's actually going

00:06:10.000 on. And I mean, Roblox, for example, we did an episode on what was going on on Roblox. And

00:06:15.400 I think we took like five or $6 billion off the cap table in one day or one week. I mean,

00:06:23.440 and um i think you know that's good but uh so where am i going wait can you back up you became

00:06:31.560 obsessed with evil yeah i just well i think it started you know with covid and and and um the

00:06:41.220 lgbtq stuff and i don't i don't really care about i don't care what adults are doing but you know

00:06:46.480 eight-year-old kids that that just really bothered me like it still does really bothers me

00:06:51.760 And so that's kind of where it started.

00:06:55.360 And then it's just everywhere you look.

00:07:03.420 Everywhere you look is a lie, and the institutions are lying,

00:07:07.400 the politicians are lying, everybody's lying.

00:07:12.520 People are manufacturing narratives just to create controversies

00:07:19.460 so they can, you know, boost their views.

00:07:22.180 And I don't know who to believe.

00:07:24.000 I don't know what to believe anymore at all.

00:07:28.220 And I mean, everything, even here,

00:07:32.520 like what's his name?

00:07:34.780 Steve, Steve, he's a reporter here.

00:07:37.600 The Somalia fraud that's going on here.

00:07:39.180 Oh, yes, Steve Robinson.

00:07:40.240 Yeah, yeah, love that guy.

00:07:41.640 He's a great man.

00:07:42.920 But it just, I just, I got, I just, I don't know. 0.99

00:07:46.840 I just became obsessed with, like, all this shit that's going on in the world, and it's dark, man. 0.98

00:07:53.560 So you felt it was your job to uncover evil. 0.99

00:07:56.740 Yeah, and, you know, I say that, oh, I can't be influenced.

00:08:01.900 Like, I don't let advertisers influence me, and I don't let politicians tell me what to do,

00:08:07.260 even though they're calling me trying to, you know, tell me what to do.

00:08:11.080 Don't talk about the land sale in Utah.

00:08:13.000 talk don't talk you know don't talk about actually this guy really helped me with my campaign actually 0.92

00:08:17.360 i don't really give a fuck who helped you with your campaign um but now i lost where i was going 0.76

00:08:24.540 with this but well you said you became obsessed with evil uncovering evil you focused on evil 0.97

00:08:29.600 and that somehow led to a spiritual transformation

00:08:32.440 yeah well so it never ends is basically what i'm getting oh i was talking about audience and i was

00:08:41.380 talking about being influenced and then and then and then everywhere you go people are patting you

00:08:46.740 on the back and pat you on the button you know good job you know you're doing god's work you're

00:08:51.300 doing this and you see the views and you see the comments and you see the likes and you

00:08:55.700 you see the all the the reaction videos and everybody's just praising you and um and it

00:09:03.220 gets to you i didn't realize it was getting to me but it's not the criticism that destroys you it's

00:09:09.780 it's the flattery yeah that destroys you because you but uh they don't know what god wants

00:09:18.980 so you got all these millions of people you know what i mean interacting with you telling you these

00:09:25.200 things everywhere you go and it gets to you and uh you know i did you know we talked last night

00:09:33.560 about my lap i just got back from a ibogaine 5meo experience didn't go great um found hell

00:09:44.040 hell hell and i don't i don't want to go too far into it because i don't want to

00:09:51.560 have them belt down on your show but it's okay but um i'm just not ready you know to to dive into it

00:09:59.060 um but but yeah i've i've i've felt what hell was was gonna be like not like seeing devils and fire

00:10:12.000 and whatever demons and all that like it was it was a feeling and i never ever want to feel that

00:10:18.720 again ever so you know successful experience i guess i never ever want to do it again maybe the

00:10:25.940 most successful experience yeah it definitely sent me down a new uh a new path and i'm still

00:10:31.800 trying to figure out but um you know i went to mass on sunday and i'm like full-blown going back

00:10:41.420 into the catholic church now and and um the here in maine i went and the priest was talking about

00:10:49.880 i want to butcher this but he was talking about weeds wheat and wheat have you heard this no

00:10:56.320 analogy and he was good people are the wheat and and the bad are the weeds and and every once in

00:11:04.580 a while well a weed will come out and he'll start calling out all the weeds only to become a weed

00:11:09.120 himself and basically what he's getting at is you know we i can sit here and i can call out this evil 1.00

00:11:15.760 like all the time and uncover all the fucked up shit 0.99

00:11:20.980 that everybody's doing, that everybody has put their blind faith in. 1.00

00:11:26.940 But in the end, we're all evil.

00:11:31.840 We all have an evil side to us.

00:11:34.820 And then you meet these people and they're very charismatic

00:11:36.720 and you're like, oh, man, he seems like a really nice person.

00:11:39.520 He's a nice guy.

00:11:40.640 Maybe he is, but he's influenced.

00:11:43.820 They are influenced.

00:11:44.860 we are influenced and um and and i i think it's time to i just think it's time to turn a corner

00:11:55.520 because because we are all we all have an evil side we all are selfish in our own ways and

00:12:02.500 and um it's too easy to call other people out all the time yeah yeah and and maybe they don't

00:12:11.440 realize they're doing I think a lot of them do I think a lot of them know but I don't think that's

00:12:18.700 really necessarily what God wants you know the way I used to do it is um I would wait until something

00:12:27.720 came across my desk or something came to my attention that I felt really passionate about

00:12:32.860 yes like kids and and then i would and then i would do the thing and it would be

00:12:39.780 so explosive um it would be like the perfect storm and then and then all the praise came

00:12:48.680 behind that and i think i got caught up in that praise and then and then i'm now i'm searching

00:12:53.120 you know for the what's the next one what's the next thing you know let's talk about

00:12:57.140 neural link let's talk about yeah let's talk about uh trump let's talk about israel let's

00:13:04.220 talk about every everybody yeah everybody's doing something and uh well it's a lot more

00:13:10.040 than others and and i'm still passionate about those topics but

00:13:13.680 but it never ends it never ends and i i don't i don't uh i i feel like i was

00:13:23.920 maybe shown hell

00:13:26.020 and I'm still experiencing

00:13:28.240 it

00:13:28.640 for a reason

00:13:31.840 and you know I gave

00:13:34.320 you the analogy last night that

00:13:35.900 if my son's

00:13:38.480 you know playing with the electrical socket

00:13:40.280 and he keeps sticking his

00:13:42.240 finger in there

00:13:42.860 and I'm like no don't

00:13:46.060 hey you're going to shock yourself

00:13:47.540 hey go time out alright that's it

00:13:49.880 you know go to your whatever

00:13:50.980 eventually I'm just going to let him

00:13:53.000 stick his finger in there

00:13:54.860 and figure out

00:13:55.860 why I don't want him

00:13:56.840 to stick his finger in there.

00:13:58.060 And I think maybe that's what,

00:13:59.420 maybe that's what

00:14:01.120 Christ did to me.

00:14:03.020 He was like,

00:14:04.180 all right,

00:14:05.300 here it is, buddy.

00:14:06.520 You want to feel it?

00:14:07.820 That's what it is.

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00:15:45.320 The government will not protect your health.

00:15:47.100 obviously you got to do it yourself and they can help well you seem as i have to very resolved

00:15:52.400 on that i mean it sounds like it was you really got a taste of it

00:15:56.240 worst feeling i've ever felt in my yeah it's indescribable

00:16:00.140 it's funny normally i have curiosity i would like want to know more but i actually don't

00:16:07.600 want to know more because it's upsetting even hearing that and so you came away thinking that

00:16:14.080 God directed you to this place

00:16:16.300 to teach you something

00:16:17.360 and that thing was

00:16:18.540 you want to avoid hell.

00:16:20.940 I hope that's what it is.

00:16:23.280 First, I thought that's where I'm going.

00:16:29.440 But now I think maybe that's what it is.

00:16:35.220 What were your first reactions?

00:16:36.880 Like your first reaction was

00:16:37.600 I don't want to go there.

00:16:38.740 So what do you do to keep from going there?

00:16:44.080 Pray, build a relationship, plant some seeds maybe.

00:16:51.120 I don't know.

00:16:52.020 I'm still trying to figure it out.

00:16:54.160 You know, one thing I told you, I've read maybe half the Bible.

00:17:02.380 I can comprehend maybe 5%, 10% of it.

00:17:06.060 and um so one thing i'm kind of kicking around is is uh maybe going through every book and doing a

00:17:16.700 a full-blown i mean look we both have access to pretty much anybody we want in the world right

00:17:24.560 and so that's the upside of the job is it um yes i think because they have access to you too

00:17:32.700 No, it's fair.

00:17:35.060 And, but maybe, you know, I bring on the best and the best theologians, maybe whoever I want to learn from and bring them in and, well, let's start with Genesis.

00:17:49.060 Let's, and it'll force me to read it.

00:17:51.820 And then maybe we do this every week.

00:17:54.220 Maybe we do it every other week.

00:17:55.840 Maybe we do it every day.

00:17:57.320 I don't know yet.

00:17:58.260 I actually have a meeting with my team,

00:18:02.460 who's like extended family to me

00:18:04.340 about how we're going to put this all together.

00:18:08.600 Is everyone on your team on board

00:18:11.280 with this way of thinking, do you think?

00:18:14.060 Yeah.

00:18:17.160 You mean Christian?

00:18:18.360 Yeah.

00:18:18.880 Yeah.

00:18:20.780 Absolutely.

00:18:23.160 When you started, what year did you start the podcast?

00:18:26.220 Christmas 2019.

00:18:27.400 2019.

00:18:28.260 Boy, that's fast.

00:18:29.200 So seven, almost seven years.

00:18:31.780 Did you, what were your views on Christianity then?

00:18:36.900 I mean, I just didn't really think about it.

00:18:40.080 Yeah.

00:18:40.380 You know, I just didn't really think about it.

00:18:42.360 I didn't really think about politics,

00:18:43.960 but then COVID happened, you know, shortly,

00:18:46.920 what, a couple months after.

00:18:48.640 And so that's kind of when I started paying attention.

00:18:51.740 I was pissed off about things about Benghazi

00:18:56.100 and Hillary Clinton and stuff like that.

00:18:58.260 but other than that it seems like a different world doesn't it yeah definitely it was a different

00:19:04.020 world but yeah i just uh i've just learned you can't you just can't really trust anybody

00:19:14.980 in that realm very few people he can trust and

00:19:20.900 i interviewed this guy pete blaber have you heard of pete blaber pete blaber was a colonel over at

00:19:28.260 delta and i mean we both know there's tons of lies have come out of the military it's it's it's it's

00:19:38.020 i've noticed yeah i mean some of the biggest he talked about the pat tillman stuff he talked about

00:19:45.060 operation anaconda you see another lie coming out of development group lots of those lots

00:19:51.300 Lots of lies coming out of the SEAL teams. 1.00

00:19:53.200 Lots of movies made that were bullshit. 0.99

00:19:57.540 But he actually uncovered a lot of that stuff on my show because he was a part of it. 0.99

00:20:05.040 And the Iraq invasion was based off of lies.

00:20:11.900 Do you know about this? 0.85

00:20:12.680 The water truck and the air conditioning unit and the sentry guard?

00:20:17.120 No.

00:20:17.320 so there was a delta unit out there and um when colin powell was what sect f was that what he

00:20:25.700 was yeah or secretary of state yeah secretary whatever and um they sent him some inner imagery

00:20:31.500 and pete was like pete said i don't want to hear what you guys think this stuff is me and my guys

00:20:35.840 will figure it out we'll get it back to you and then and then you'll have an unbiased we don't

00:20:39.620 to be swayed and um so they they checked into it and so what what i guess department of state said

00:20:51.060 was a uh mobile scud missile launcher and uh a wmd factory with a huge air filtration system

00:21:01.860 on the roof and sentry guards outside the door.

00:21:06.880 What Delta, you know,

00:21:09.520 arguably the best special operations unit

00:21:12.860 in the world came up with is,

00:21:14.300 that's a water truck,

00:21:16.480 huge water truck,

00:21:17.880 because they're in the middle of the desert

00:21:19.420 and they need water.

00:21:21.420 And that big air filtration unit on the roof

00:21:25.380 is an air conditioner.

00:21:27.320 Because they're in the desert.

00:21:28.100 And the sentry guard outside

00:21:30.140 is a dude taking a piss and he sent it in and they totally just just uh discarded everything

00:21:40.000 and uh launched the invasion and so you know and then and then there's you know you know about all

00:21:46.940 the thing i don't want to get into it but uh with all the lies coming out of just the seal teams

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00:24:54.020 Yeah.

00:24:54.240 They don't look like happy people.

00:24:56.100 But, um, at least to me, but it just, you know, what it made me realize is, uh, I was like, man, like, I was like, what? I was like ashamed to have ever even been a SEAL.

00:25:09.600 And there's all kinds of the Eddie Gallagher case. That was all fucking lies. I mean, there's lots of, they were going to pin their own guys to the wall. You know what I mean? For bullshit. The Blackwater incident, that was all lies. 0.99

00:25:20.860 They deleted the drone footage to prove their innocence.

00:25:24.940 But it just made me think, I'm like, man, like, I was a part of that institution.

00:25:30.960 That's, I wish I never was.

00:25:34.220 You wish you were never a Navy SEAL?

00:25:36.260 I mean, I don't regret it.

00:25:38.240 I enjoyed my time there, but I mean, it's just, I obviously don't align with the ethics

00:25:45.080 and whatever value system they're going off of,

00:25:50.360 which doesn't seem to be much.

00:25:53.580 But anyway, so the point being is

00:25:55.820 that's just one institution inside of the U.S. Navy.

00:26:02.040 That's it.

00:26:03.220 One small, like very SEAL teams,

00:26:06.760 very, very small part of the U.S. Navy.

00:26:10.380 And then he's talking about Ranger Battalion.

00:26:13.200 And then there's all these other units.

00:26:15.080 And it just made me think, it's like, man, like, this is just one war in one small part of the U.S. government, very small part. 0.90

00:26:25.320 So that means every single U.S. institution out there is doing the same shit, obviously CIA, obviously FBI, everything, all Congress, all of the Senate, everybody in it, the presidents, everybody. 0.95

00:26:40.160 and it just it made me realize how this the whole country is just built off dishonesty 0.96

00:26:47.920 literally lies and then you think man i'm only i'm only 40 years i'm only 43 years old

00:26:56.920 like a very small snippet in the time of the country let alone the world and all the other

00:27:04.940 countries and all of their institutions and then and then it's and then it's just

00:27:12.220 it's like what we said last time everything is a lie everything you know is a lie everything

00:27:18.780 you think you know everything in the history books it's all lies all of it

00:27:27.500 so when you look ahead you became one of the most successful people in this business amazingly

00:27:32.860 um so there's only one truth

00:27:35.960 and i i think that's i'm just not really interested in anything else anymore because 0.95

00:27:45.180 it's all garbage and it's that you know black book right behind you the holy bible 0.97

00:27:49.900 that's the one truth that's it 1.00

00:27:54.760 you can't even look anywhere else it's so it's so painfully obvious at this point

00:28:00.320 to me

00:28:03.060 other than the experience you just had that you alluded to what convinced you

00:28:13.740 uh that that's real yeah well i've had a ton of encounters um

00:28:22.120 but encounters yeah you know um

00:28:29.320 Um, I mean, if I took, I mean, even after that, there's, there's been a, after it's

00:28:37.060 been a long three weeks and, uh, uh, I'll just say this, um, I've talked to, um, some

00:28:50.420 of the most respected exorcists in the country, and I've been working with them, and things 0.66

00:29:03.200 have happened, and like really scary shit, and if that's happening, and that's real,

00:29:16.720 which is more real than anything i've ever experienced um than the other is definitely 0.80

00:29:23.140 real too that's right that's exactly right it's exactly right if there are supernatural forces

00:29:30.160 that are evil acting on people which there are and i've experienced them personally

00:29:38.100 then that's proof of god

00:29:39.780 is that is that what you're saying yeah it's not faith to me anymore it's it's fact

00:29:45.640 it is 100% fact

00:29:47.820 there's just

00:29:48.620 there's just no other way

00:29:52.280 to look at it

00:29:53.460 isn't that a comforting fact

00:29:57.860 yeah

00:29:59.140 it is

00:30:00.400 I mean I don't know what the hell we're in for here in the future

00:30:04.200 but

00:30:05.160 so but I mean it's definitely comforting

00:30:08.420 knowing that if you

00:30:10.560 if you

00:30:12.740 if you do the right thing

00:30:15.980 and we all know what that is

00:30:17.720 and you do your best

00:30:21.040 then hopefully you're going to end up

00:30:23.360 you know in a good place

00:30:24.700 I'm not sure all of us know what the right thing is

00:30:27.160 when you say do the right thing

00:30:29.140 what is that thing

00:30:29.800 oh I think people know

00:30:31.680 it's a feeling

00:30:33.040 do you think these people

00:30:36.660 all feel good about all the lies

00:30:38.440 they get lost in them

00:30:41.660 they forget what if they lie so much they forget what they lied about

00:30:45.020 we can't even keep track of them all

00:30:49.360 lying is like that isn't it

00:30:53.280 did you there's not a lot of talk about hell in the united states you're younger than i am but

00:31:00.480 we grew up in the same country you don't you know you can go a whole day without hearing anyone

00:31:05.440 mention hell in a literal sense there's no most americans don't really believe there's a

00:31:11.640 actual risk of going to hell did you yeah but i just never imagined it to be

00:31:21.640 anything close to what i just experienced

00:31:25.640 never what did you think it was i don't know you know and i don't know i mean

00:31:35.360 i don't think the human mind can imagine that kind of agony and torture and and and aloneness

00:31:46.300 aloneness yeah i don't think i don't think it you just can't you can't put it together

00:31:53.680 unless you feel it and uh and i've i've i either felt a small glimpse or i got the whole thing

00:32:01.380 Either way, I'm sure it could be a lot worse.

00:32:06.660 I don't know how, but it was bad.

00:32:14.420 It was really the most terrifying thing I've ever experienced in my entire life.

00:32:20.420 I just can't even describe it.

00:32:24.200 I actually brought my priest on and recorded a whole episode on this.

00:32:29.960 I don't know if I'll release it because it's, I mean, it's personal.

00:32:36.140 But I want it for my family to see, if nothing else, you know.

00:32:40.680 I want my son and my daughter to see it eventually.

00:32:45.220 Maybe they'll go through something similar.

00:32:47.820 And like I said, it's ongoing.

00:32:50.240 So I want to, I'm not out of whatever this is yet.

00:32:56.340 So I want to document the whole spirit experience.

00:32:59.020 Some people journal, I just shoot the video, I talk.

00:33:05.720 Why wouldn't you release that?

00:33:09.040 I don't know.

00:33:10.040 I don't know.

00:33:10.540 I just want to make sure I'm in a clear headspace before I do do it.

00:33:17.500 You know what I mean?

00:33:18.760 I think that's very wise.

00:33:20.360 I never wait for a clear headspace before making decisions.

00:33:22.720 I usually don't either.

00:33:24.580 I paid the price many times.

00:33:26.560 I usually don't either.

00:33:27.740 yeah no I'm not a pause before acting guy it gets it gets uh I mean I think you know I've been pretty

00:33:35.240 vulnerable I'm an open book and uh it's what I don't know maybe I just save this one from myself

00:33:42.440 because most of my stuff is out there and uh you know the only thing I really won't talk about is

00:33:48.680 like my family of course um but that's not you that's them you're protecting yeah but you know

00:33:54.320 It gets weird, like, meet people, and they think they know you, because they do, kind of.

00:34:01.140 But you're like, what do you know about me?

00:34:05.940 What have you heard that I've said?

00:34:09.200 You know nothing about them, and it just puts you in a really uncomfortable state sometimes.

00:34:15.440 Do you know what I mean?

00:34:16.740 Do I know what you mean?

00:34:17.500 Yeah.

00:34:17.840 Yeah.

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00:36:55.100 know everyone everyone's got their own thing they have to deal with yeah but that is very strange

00:37:00.040 and it can make you a solitary person and you wind up not wanting to deal with anyone you don't know

00:37:05.400 well and trust and that's me i'm fine with that though i am too i don't even like doing these

00:37:11.340 anymore i like i haven't even done one of these since yours really yeah i don't i just i don't

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00:37:23.720 and i never want to get caught up talking about shit that you know that i don't know i see a lot 0.59

00:37:30.480 of people that you know that they they turn into a character they feel pressure like they have to 0.98

00:37:36.460 know something and then they just fucking go with it the next thing you know it's like you actually 0.98

00:37:40.980 have no idea what the fuck you're talking about do you i've been there so many if you run a cable 0.99

00:37:44.920 news show where you're not in control of the topics you're responding to the day's news i 1.00

00:37:50.060 did this for like 25 years and you just you know you look at the papers or twitter or whatever

00:37:55.060 it's whatever everyone's talking about that's what you have to talk about and sometimes it's

00:37:59.120 right in your sweet spot of knowledge and other times it's so far out you know it's about

00:38:05.140 american indian reservation policy or something it's like you don't know anything and you

00:38:10.720 all of a sudden you sort of look down on the set

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00:38:14.740 in kind of a commanding tone with

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00:38:18.960 you literally know nothing about

00:38:21.040 at all. And then eventually

00:38:23.000 you get caught.

00:38:25.260 Of course, or you indict yourself

00:38:27.280 and you lose self-respect after a while

00:38:28.920 because you know it's all fake.

00:38:31.580 Which is worse, I think.

00:38:33.620 And I've definitely participated

00:38:35.200 in that. You know, definitely participated

00:38:37.340 in that. Let me tell you about

00:38:39.140 the hungarian civil war says the man says the man who doesn't speak hungarian or whatever you

00:38:43.820 know what i mean it's like um yeah that's bad and that's the beauty of this gig is you get to pick

00:38:49.980 you get to talk about what you want to talk about and if you have some restraint and again some

00:38:54.120 self-respect you you restrict yourself to topics that you know you have developed views about some

00:38:59.660 knowledge of you think matter like objectively matter yeah you don't have to talk about other

00:39:05.120 people's priorities so that helps yeah i like hanging out with you though so i want to do this

00:39:09.920 one i like i like this one yeah well i'm not i'm i'm too old to judge but uh but i mean you know

00:39:17.220 and back to the it just got to the point too where i just i don't even know 0.60

00:39:22.640 i don't even know why like i'm just beating the same fucking drum over and over and it's like 0.70

00:39:30.160 yeah what are we doing here man is anything getting solved like everybody knows what's 0.95

00:39:35.640 going on right now right it's it's it's how many times can you point out that everything's alive

00:39:40.100 before it's like pointless pretty much and discouraging by the way is that this is what

00:39:46.540 i think to myself because i have had exactly the same thoughts that you're describing it's like

00:39:52.040 is this good is it good to keep telling i mean obviously 9-11 is not what they told us i'm not

00:39:57.580 exactly sure what it was but they're lying about it kennedy assassination obviously they're lying

00:40:03.760 about it everything they're lying about because they're liars so i've made all those points

00:40:09.280 about a million times but with decreasing enthusiasm and at a certain point you're like

00:40:13.620 i'm telling people something they already know i'm not actually bringing the truth because the

00:40:19.160 truth is unknowable like i can't figure out what happened really and maybe i'm just making people

00:40:26.600 hopeless. That's kind of what I'm getting at. I mean, what do you think it looks like if,

00:40:35.200 well, not really. I mean, I think, I don't even think we're the superpower anymore. I think that's

00:40:39.860 becoming more and more obvious every day, but a lot of people do. So let's phrase it like this.

00:40:44.540 What do you think it looks like if we do lose our place in the world? Do you think it's going

00:40:51.940 be that bad i've been looking into some of this with what happened when germany fell and what

00:40:57.940 happened when the uk fell and what happened to the ussr when it fell and some of them were really bad

00:41:04.980 and some of them like the uk stuff didn't it didn't really seem that bad like they still had

00:41:10.420 law and order their currency was still worth money i think they had a lot of debt um property rights

00:41:18.580 still existed and but they just the world figured it out we don't need to answer these people

00:41:29.600 anymore there's a new sheriff in town there are only two things you need to survive long term 0.70

00:41:34.620 in my opinion one is a coherent nation like you have to have germans like everyone understands

00:41:42.840 what a german is you've got a shared history language cultural assumptions like you have

00:41:47.460 something in common with your countrymen. And you have to have your dignity and your self-respect.

00:41:53.700 You can't be convinced to hate yourself just because you lost something. They can't break

00:41:59.360 your spirit. They can't turn you into the prison bitch. And because if that happens, then there's 1.00

00:42:04.960 no recovery at all. And the loss isn't measured in GDP. It's much bigger than that. And so I would

00:42:11.460 argue that the collapse of the british empire the collapse of the german state in 1945 the

00:42:18.100 country was literally split in half i mean those were pretty soft land dings on a surface level

00:42:25.320 but they were profound and those nations were destroyed for all time whereas russia which went

00:42:32.400 through in 91 when the soviet union dissolved went through a period of you know 10 years of

00:42:38.300 lawlessness and the oligarchs and the mafia and people getting shot to death in moscow and life

00:42:43.100 expectancy plummeting and everything that we read about in the western press but actually russia

00:42:49.120 remained a coherent nation with a shared vision of the future it remained an actual place like a

00:42:56.440 real place and now it's recovered and now it's a great it's a great power again it's the world's

00:43:02.080 largest country and it and it has a sense of itself as that and it will continue it will outlive us

00:43:07.560 It will outlive Germany and the UK, that's for sure.

00:43:10.540 My ancestors are from the UK and Germany.

00:43:12.720 So I'm kind of on their side in some deep sense,

00:43:15.000 but just objectively, they're not going to exist

00:43:17.540 because there's no such thing as a German anymore.

00:43:20.560 The majority of births in the UK are non-English.

00:43:23.380 So what does it even mean?

00:43:25.180 There's no country.

00:43:26.720 But before that, I mean, it was a soft landing.

00:43:30.640 Yeah, they had rationing in Britain for 10 years after the war.

00:43:34.540 They had rationing? I didn't realize.

00:43:35.720 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:36.340 I think for 10, some genius on the internet will correct me,

00:43:40.020 but I think, yeah, for 10 years.

00:43:42.060 Oh, it wrecked the British economy, the fall of empire.

00:43:45.220 The empire really ended in 1918, but whatever.

00:43:49.200 The point is, Americans still thought Britain was a real country and impressive.

00:43:55.500 It was our parent being ambassador to the Court of St. James

00:43:58.560 was the highest honor in the U.S. State Department.

00:44:00.920 There was a lot of prestige that attached to Britain, not so much anymore.

00:44:05.000 but the country itself was gone

00:44:08.800 and you know you're gone 1.00

00:44:11.180 when you start importing people

00:44:12.600 to replace your children. 1.00

00:44:14.760 Like that's just the most obvious,

00:44:16.180 you know, what's your birth rate doing?

00:44:17.940 Are people reproducing?

00:44:19.460 Do they have enough confidence

00:44:20.560 and enough self-respect

00:44:22.000 to keep the project going

00:44:24.180 with their genes?

00:44:26.240 And no, they don't.

00:44:28.240 So I think the bigger the empire,

00:44:32.380 the farther out over its skis it gets,

00:44:34.520 obviously the more harder it falls exactly the uglier the crash and i'm worried about

00:44:40.500 our country because there is no coherent nation yeah yeah well

00:44:47.480 i spoke to an employer this morning a big industrial employer who's a close friend of mine

00:44:53.680 you know republican optimistic very smart very smart person very decent christian person and

00:45:00.860 And he said to me, we have zero unemployment in the state that is a Midwestern state.

00:45:05.960 So it's zero unemployment.

00:45:06.840 I don't care what they tell you.

00:45:07.800 We can't find English speaking workers.

00:45:11.420 Nobody speak English.

00:45:12.500 And you have to to work on our plan.

00:45:14.060 You have to speak English for safety reasons.

00:45:16.980 And we can't.

00:45:17.580 Nobody speaks English.

00:45:19.280 And this is in a major American Midwestern state.

00:45:22.440 This is a major industrial company that makes things.

00:45:26.680 He said, we can't.

00:45:27.580 Nobody.

00:45:27.820 In fact, he told me one of his competitors is going out of business because of labor shortages, and the problem is English.

00:45:34.160 There just aren't enough English speakers in the United States to staff a factory. 0.99

00:45:38.480 Holy shit. 0.98

00:45:40.540 So I think those of us who live in kind of like legacy communities where, you know, half your neighbors had an ancestor in the Civil War are not seeing what the country's becoming because we're cut off from it. 0.98

00:45:56.160 Because we live in these little pockets that look like our childhood.

00:46:00.240 But that's not a reflection of what the country is.

00:46:05.360 That's not happening in Russia or China or Iran.

00:46:09.000 So those are the measures, like all this stuff like, oh, the nuclear program and whoever is running the country today and Yeltsin versus Putin.

00:46:16.740 It's like, who cares?

00:46:18.360 That's all window dress.

00:46:20.800 I mean, those are meaningful, I guess.

00:46:22.020 I mean, of course, they're meaningful, but they're not ultimately the measures that matter.

00:46:26.220 What matters is who lives in your country.

00:46:28.480 Are there people whose ancestors live there? 0.77

00:46:30.020 Or are they brand new people who have no connection in all the country,

00:46:33.180 are likely to treat the current occupants with contempt and as a source of income and people to be exploited?

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00:48:43.320 So, but you're saying that really the main problem to be addressed

00:48:48.740 is not what's happening outside of us or in our political system,

00:48:53.040 but what's happening inside of us.

00:48:58.100 I think, as you said, we're all kind of evil.

00:49:01.100 Yeah, I think so.

00:49:03.600 I think...

00:49:07.320 I don't know how to fix it, Tucker. 0.98

00:49:09.140 I mean, what the fuck do I know? 0.94

00:49:11.100 But I think that... 0.98

00:49:15.100 I think maybe people need to tune out a little bit

00:49:25.240 and start working on themselves.

00:49:27.660 Maybe, for lack of a better term,

00:49:33.000 just be the person you want everybody else to be.

00:49:35.760 And that problem won't work.

00:49:37.320 but that's what I'm going to do.

00:49:40.940 That's the only thing that will work.

00:49:44.180 Be the person you want everyone else to be.

00:49:49.120 Have you ever had this experience

00:49:50.840 when you're arguing with someone

00:49:52.080 up to and including your wife,

00:49:54.400 but you're mad at someone who you know well

00:49:56.420 and you look at that person in your mind,

00:49:58.920 you're like,

00:49:59.520 I'm mad at Sean because he's doing this.

00:50:02.320 He's being this way.

00:50:03.680 And if only he would stop doing this

00:50:05.180 or being that way,

00:50:05.980 things would be fine.

00:50:07.320 and then this is like a very common

00:50:09.620 marital experience I think for people

00:50:11.400 and then you ultimately realize

00:50:13.620 like whatever you're accusing the other person of doing

00:50:15.680 is exactly what you're

00:50:17.860 doing like you're being

00:50:19.740 grouchy

00:50:20.680 yeah you realize

00:50:23.440 actually I'm being grouchy

00:50:25.000 yeah you don't think

00:50:27.840 like me that's what it is

00:50:30.040 yeah but there's something in

00:50:31.860 people that wants to accuse others

00:50:33.740 of doing exactly what they're doing

00:50:35.480 have you done that oh all the time all the time and it's sometimes i can't even see it because

00:50:42.640 i'm big on self-reflection and uh how i can improve and i'm i'm uh really big on trying to

00:50:51.880 you know making sure that i don't get too far ahead of my skis and my my ego doesn't blow up

00:50:56.680 but you just don't see a lot of things you don't see i don't i don't you don't see a lot of things

00:51:04.480 in yourself and um or it's hard to like i said and and so like i like i told you last night i'm i'm

00:51:15.260 i'm not uh i'm just not really that's why i'm not i'm off everything now the only thing i'm on is

00:51:23.140 youtube but i don't even look at the back end of the metrics or the financials like i used to like

00:51:28.020 i'm not on instagram i'm not on x i'm not on took i'm not on anything i don't want to see any

00:51:33.260 comments i don't want to see any view counts i don't want to hear sean you're doing god's work 1.00

00:51:38.620 i don't want to hear sean you suck i don't want to hear sean you're a fucking qatari whatever 0.99

00:51:44.080 i don't want to hear any of it like i don't hear the praise i don't want to see i just want to hear 1.00

00:51:48.760 god and i want to be quiet so i can hear that and and start leaning a lot more into my intuition

00:51:57.460 which I've always kind of prided myself on anyways,

00:52:01.580 but it's impossible to do it with all the noise,

00:52:05.580 especially with all the praise, you know?

00:52:07.780 And so I needed to be quiet so I know what to do

00:52:13.680 and I know how to act.

00:52:17.680 People will hear that and say,

00:52:19.260 but you run one of the biggest podcasts

00:52:21.920 and your podcast is about the rest of the world.

00:52:24.900 how do you know what's happening in the rest of the world outside of your own home if you're not

00:52:29.900 on social media i don't care anymore okay i don't care anymore my podcast would be whatever i want

00:52:39.700 it to be you know and and uh it always has well it it i guess i can't say it always has been because

00:52:45.960 i i leaned into the audience there for about probably a little over a year like um leading

00:52:53.640 up to the last presidential election you know i was doing what i wanted to do but then i saw

00:53:00.860 you know that's when all the praise started coming and and uh i'm just i'm done with that so

00:53:06.220 i'm just waiting for god's direction to tell me what to do and then with the bible thing i think

00:53:12.820 that's what i think that's i think that's what i'm supposed to do into your audience

00:53:16.740 i mean that's a very familiar thing to anyone who does this for a living can you just describe that

00:53:23.140 a little more for people who don't well i mean it's it's what i've been saying it's it's the

00:53:29.460 praise it's the comments responding to it programming on the basis of it it's what are

00:53:34.180 the what do they oh these numbers shot up we need to do more of this oh that's gonna be big numbers

00:53:40.180 let's do that you know and and i mean i'm not saying like i totally sold out to it or anything

00:53:45.380 but it was a big driver it was huge driver yes you know and and i wanted to i wanted to

00:53:53.140 I wanted to take the number one slot.

00:53:55.460 I wanted the $200 million deal that Rogan got.

00:53:59.140 I'm not going to get it.

00:54:00.660 That's just not how my life works.

00:54:02.820 I always have to, nothing is ever handed to me.

00:54:06.140 And I always have to find other avenues to get what I want.

00:54:08.980 Would you want $200 million?

00:54:10.560 Yeah, I mean, of course, that's what I wanted. 0.99

00:54:12.580 Now I don't give a shit because now I see it. 0.99

00:54:15.420 It just never fucking ends. 0.99

00:54:17.300 It never ends. 0.96

00:54:18.200 at this so now i don't because now i i was you know another thing i was i was putting business

00:54:26.000 and and money over i i hate to say it like this and i that's not that wasn't my intention when

00:54:33.480 i was doing it but now that i can self-reflect i realized that i was putting money and attention 0.55

00:54:39.540 and and maybe power and i fucking thought i was somebody because of who i'm associated with i can 0.98

00:54:46.080 fucking access anybody in the world what the fuck do you know what the they probably know more than 0.99

00:54:50.740 i do i don't know shit and and and and i'm watching my kids get older and i'm like fuck man how much 1.00

00:54:57.960 time did i miss like because my own bullshit my own ego like i'm fucking somebody look who i'm 0.99

00:55:03.820 having lunch with look who i'm going to see look who i'm talking to i know everything and then you 1.00

00:55:09.400 get all the information and what do you do with it nothing you just fucking look cool you sound 0.56

00:55:15.780 important and your kids are growing up yeah makes me sad I don't want to I don't want to 0.89

00:55:25.640 do that again if it makes you feel better having been in this business my whole life I've I think

00:55:32.160 every single person goes through what you've described and the life cycle of yours is the

00:55:36.880 shortest I've ever heard if you like figure that out in a year you know while your children are

00:55:42.780 still small you haven't gotten to the cats in the cradle stage where they're like yeah you blew it

00:55:47.980 dad we hate you i hope i'll never get to that stage well you won't because you figured it out

00:55:53.240 young you went through it really fast but there are people i can think of one in particular really

00:55:58.100 good guy great guy very well informed very famous person in our business missed his entire life

00:56:04.340 he's a great guy fun guy to have lunch with you know knows everybody knows everything

00:56:11.320 funny storyteller you know you'd like him but a tragic tragic person and was left at the end

00:56:18.680 with literally nothing it's gone man gone it's gone it's gone he gained the world but lost his

00:56:23.820 soul you know i know a lot of people like that me too yeah so um no i couldn't agree with you more

00:56:34.340 So you said that you have a program, I mean, if you don't mind, I would love to know what

00:56:38.340 your program is for keeping hubris at bay, for keeping yourself from imagining your God

00:56:43.640 when you're not, like you're obviously disciplined, you're a SEAL, so you're a self-disciplined

00:56:48.080 person, like what steps do you go through other than getting off social media to keep

00:56:51.860 yourself from getting delusions of omnipotence?

00:56:56.500 Well, this is all new to me, you know, so I don't, I don't know, but I don't, I don't

00:57:03.420 know what to tell you you know that the the psychedelics cracked me open wide open again

00:57:08.480 and um and uh i guess i'll probably never do them again um

00:57:16.880 because they because they you got what you wanted from them

00:57:21.660 i i can't say i got what i wanted but um

00:57:28.680 but i i didn't get anything from them i got it all from god and i i kept saying that like like 0.52

00:57:40.800 psychedelics would be like a fucking quick fix for me i just want to clean it out i want to i 0.77

00:57:45.280 want to i want to reset and i would take all the science that they're finding you know the good 0.97

00:57:53.080 things about it and justify it and uh and uh but you know and in the end i think you're you're

00:58:00.160 you're uh you're opening you you're just in a forbidden realm that maybe we should or should 0.94

00:58:07.940 not be fucking around in but um i won't be fucking around in that realm anymore i can tell you that 0.98

00:58:15.580 but uh and i got strict guidance which you know i told you last night that is don't mess around 0.98

00:58:22.560 in that anymore. But it's done a lot of great

00:58:24.600 things for people. Strict kindness from

00:58:26.520 God. And it's done

00:58:28.520 a lot of great things for me.

00:58:30.220 As painful as this is to go through,

00:58:33.040 it's, you know,

00:58:34.700 it's,

00:58:35.360 I'm thankful for it.

00:58:41.880 But that,

00:58:43.140 but, yeah,

00:58:44.620 I don't know what the steps are, Tucker.

00:58:46.280 I'm just figuring it out. Maybe saying it out loud

00:58:48.840 is the first one. I think the steps

00:58:50.560 are,

00:58:50.980 listen to your wife pay attention to your kids and um some of the people that are really really

00:59:02.780 close around you but even that you know even even with my team like i like i told my team's

00:59:09.440 like my family like tim who's sitting over here he's been with me since the fifth episode and and

00:59:16.920 And Kimball, he's been with me since he's 17.

00:59:22.960 He's like 26 or 27 now.

00:59:27.740 Darren's been with me.

00:59:29.640 Elijah's been with me since I think the fifth episode, too.

00:59:32.340 He runs my whole company now.

00:59:33.700 He started off making like 200 bucks an episode doing sound.

00:59:39.680 He's like a sound engineer.

00:59:41.520 Now he runs my whole company. 1.00

00:59:42.640 I hired all these fucking CEOs and all these bigwigs to come in and run them. 0.99

00:59:46.120 And this kid, he runs circles around him, and I trust him with my life. 0.99

00:59:55.720 But, and so, we're like a family.

00:59:59.800 But even with them, I mean, my show has just gotten so big, it's inflated all of our egos.

01:00:05.840 And so, we're a bunch of good people with inflated egos that don't realize that we all have inflated egos because of what we built.

01:00:15.800 And I would constantly, I'm like, is my ego getting to me?

01:00:18.480 Oh, you're good.

01:00:20.000 No, sir.

01:00:20.700 You're perfect.

01:00:21.340 It's not that, though.

01:00:22.780 It's not that. 0.97

01:00:23.760 They tell me when I'm fucking up. 0.96

01:00:25.560 It's not that. 0.96

01:00:26.400 I'm just kidding.

01:00:27.040 Their ego is also being inflated because they're just as much a part of this as I am.

01:00:32.120 And they've built something massive, and that grows an ego.

01:00:35.640 And they see the comments, and they get the praise, and they go through all of that with me.

01:00:40.920 And so we're all blind to it. 0.97

01:00:43.720 so it takes somebody close that's not inside of it to to set your ass straight yes does that make 0.96

01:00:50.400 sense of course it it absolutely it's not the yes men i don't have any yes men i don't either 0.99

01:00:56.280 i hate people like that fired all the yes men i've had a couple hyper annoying kids work for

01:01:04.140 me over the years who i truly love two of them at different times and they were the no men 0.57

01:01:09.180 and they would doubt everything

01:01:11.860 and constantly criticize me

01:01:13.680 in a hyper annoying way

01:01:15.020 but I trusted them

01:01:16.680 because they were being honest 0.90

01:01:17.720 they're both kind of autistic 0.98

01:01:18.640 and they'd be like 1.00

01:01:19.520 I think it's really stupid 0.99

01:01:20.620 what we're doing 0.99

01:01:21.280 I would always want to say 0.98

01:01:22.920 shut up I employ you 0.99

01:01:24.540 but then I would force myself 0.99

01:01:26.260 to listen

01:01:26.760 and I learned more from them

01:01:28.440 both turned out to be

01:01:30.100 very successful in life

01:01:31.180 actually

01:01:31.680 but I loved having people like that

01:01:34.100 as much as I hated

01:01:35.320 having people like that

01:01:36.300 I always listened to them

01:01:37.900 Yeah. Oh, me too. Yeah. Um, so as you embark on whatever is going to happen next in your

01:01:49.220 professional life, does part of you think, well, gee, you know, I'm so successful in

01:01:54.740 conventional terms. Maybe I shouldn't mess with the formula. Are you afraid? No.

01:02:00.100 have you even thought of that yeah like what happens if uh the numbers go to zero yeah

01:02:09.080 i don't care because it's not worth doing if um if it's not authentic

01:02:15.420 so if they go to zero then they go to zero and if but if i am doing what god wants me to do

01:02:24.680 then they're not going to go to zero, are they?

01:02:27.700 I personally think it'll be bigger, actually.

01:02:30.580 I know that's not why you're doing it,

01:02:32.100 but if I had to guess,

01:02:34.000 I would say that anyone,

01:02:37.000 even former Navy SEALs

01:02:38.340 who've never been in broadcasting before,

01:02:39.560 anyone who's as honest as he can be succeeds.

01:02:41.900 I think that.

01:02:43.260 Thank you.

01:02:45.740 Because there's so little of it

01:02:47.400 that I don't think the measure is,

01:02:50.500 are you always right?

01:02:51.940 No one is.

01:02:52.900 I'm certainly not.

01:02:53.880 But if you're making like an obviously sincere effort to tell the truth, people, people really love, they crave it because there's just not much of it at all. Like that's the superpower. And you seem like you're embarking on like a radical version of that. So I bet you're going to have radical results. I mean, again, not that you care. And because you don't care, that's why it's going to work.

01:03:20.020 if it happens it happens and

01:03:22.260 if it doesn't that's fine too

01:03:24.700 are like the people

01:03:28.720 closest to you totally on board with this

01:03:30.660 I think so

01:03:32.560 we'll find out

01:03:34.540 on we'll find out later this week

01:03:36.940 when we have the meeting but

01:03:38.340 they're gonna be you know what I mean they're gonna be

01:03:40.660 so

01:03:41.240 did you know that

01:03:44.240 there were supernatural forces

01:03:46.580 demons that could act on people

01:03:48.060 did you grow up knowing that did you think about that i definitely didn't grow up knowing that um

01:03:55.500 you know the first time i felt it i thought i thought maybe we chatted about this last time

01:04:01.980 but maybe we didn't but the first time i i really felt it uh was maybe maybe three years ago um i

01:04:11.400 just done the my my ryan montgomery uh who's you met and uh love that guy he's one of my best

01:04:21.800 friends he's gonna be my son's godfather wow and um here next month but i just did his episode which

01:04:30.520 really like really hurt me um and tyler andrew vargas who was one of the who was the survivor

01:04:37.960 at abbey gate who's like 24 years old had his arm blown off had his leg blown off

01:04:44.760 has a bag you know and i'm like watching this kid like hobble up my stairs

01:04:54.040 with the afghan withdrawal and um and the lies that came out about that and nobody would talk

01:05:00.120 to him here's a god thing so i thought my whole team was like you need to get this kid

01:05:06.680 and i'm like he didn't want he's got like every major news outlet probably wants to talk to him

01:05:13.160 tucker carlson probably wants to talk to him joe rogue i'm like he doesn't want to talk to me

01:05:18.760 there's no way and um i pinged him on instagram and he hit me right back and you know um a lot

01:05:29.720 of the guests come come out we have breakfast you know the uh the day of or we have dinner the night

01:05:35.320 before and we're having i'm having breakfast with him and his fiance and and he's like man um

01:05:45.240 he started crying and he's like man uh

01:05:50.680 he goes all these news networks were trying to get me and he goes good morning america

01:05:56.360 interviewed me for like seven hours and they released like i can't remember it was like

01:06:03.400 five minutes or five seconds i think it was like five seconds of the interview and he's like i was

01:06:09.560 there for seven hours and he's like i looked at my fiance and he goes i just wish the sean ryan

01:06:14.920 guy would just reach out to me and he pulled up his phone and sure there was a message from me

01:06:22.760 and he broke down right there at the table that is wild and uh so me and my wife went to sedona

01:06:32.360 We went on this vacation to Sedona, and so I was like, I just found out how bad it is with what's going on with kids online and the sex exploitation and pedophiles and all that kind of stuff.

01:06:43.640 And like the day after I did that interview was Tyler Andrew Vargas.

01:06:49.680 And then the one friend that I had and where I live at the time who's like a genuine friend, successful guy who owns some hospitals, he didn't need anything from me.

01:07:06.080 I don't need anything from him.

01:07:07.560 I really enjoy those relationships. 0.94

01:07:09.260 I know there's not a fucking hidden ask getting ready to happen 0.97

01:07:12.420 or some kind of agenda or a photo op or whatever it may be. 0.97

01:07:16.920 And like just genuine, we can go out to eat

01:07:19.940 and it's not going to be, hey, do you mind if we just, you know, 0.99

01:07:23.940 could you, I got this new, you know, that kind of shit. 0.98

01:07:29.360 And it's just genuine friendship. 1.00

01:07:31.760 Anyways, he died.

01:07:33.960 And I was like, yeah, he died.

01:07:35.660 He died on a hunting trip.

01:07:37.080 His name's Dan Cirillo.

01:07:38.040 He died on a hunting trip with his son, had a heart attack.

01:07:40.940 Oh, come on.

01:07:41.720 At what age?

01:07:42.980 I don't know.

01:07:44.060 He was probably mid to late 50s, if I had to guess.

01:07:47.720 But, I mean, I'm happy for him.

01:07:49.180 Look, if that's how I go on a hunting trip with my son, who's raised and doing great.

01:07:55.080 I agree.

01:07:55.860 Then I'll take it.

01:07:57.380 As someone who's 57, though, I'm opposed to the timeline out there.

01:08:00.640 Yeah, me too.

01:08:01.120 Right, yeah.

01:08:01.600 But so all these things happen and then, and, and we go to, we're in Sedona and I'm just, I have a breakdown on the plan.

01:08:11.960 I don't really break down other than lately.

01:08:15.040 And my wife's like, what the hell is going on with you?

01:08:19.580 And I started telling her and, and then the last day I was like, all right, I'm just going to,

01:08:31.600 come off my phone for the week and maybe I'll feel better.

01:08:34.180 And I felt a little bit better.

01:08:36.660 And then I got on my phone and I saw this country music star

01:08:42.000 that I had a lot of respect for at the time.

01:08:44.900 And she's going on about how drag queens should be able to like 1.00

01:08:48.320 shake their ass in front of toddlers. 1.00

01:08:50.180 And I was like, a couple of weeks later, she gets a big show. 1.00

01:08:59.060 and uh anyways but i see this stuff and i'm like fuck man and so i tell i 0.97

01:09:05.920 smoke a joint and tell katie we're we're going on a hike we're gonna go 0.93

01:09:12.440 up to this energy vortex i want to see if i feel something

01:09:15.640 and uh joint didn't help and we get up there and dude i went like bananas like this this is one

01:09:24.760 thing about the psychedelic stuff that i i didn't really like where it took me it it was i was 0.90

01:09:29.360 looking for all these other fucking things i was into like looking at crystals and all this shit 0.97

01:09:34.420 and um oh energy comes out of the crystals and whatever and uh we go up to this fucking vortex 0.99

01:09:42.360 and then i'm like i don't feel shit and uh so we're marching back down hiking back down and 0.85

01:09:53.140 I'm having like this internal battle in my, like in my head and like, I'm, I'm like, maybe I, 0.94

01:10:01.700 maybe I shouldn't be worried about dismembering kids and, and, and politicians and schools and 1.00

01:10:09.140 athletes and celebrities like pushing, you know, you, you, you should be the opposite sex and let's 1.00

01:10:15.460 put some hormones in you and let's, let's get you in the hospital. And I'm like, maybe I'm the 1.00

01:10:20.960 fucked up one maybe I nobody else seems to give a shit maybe I'm the maybe I'm the one that's 0.99

01:10:27.780 maybe I'm maybe it's me maybe why are you fighting this shit and I just kept it felt like I was uh 1.00

01:10:36.140 like like surrendering my surrendering my soul or my heart to the devil maybe 0.99

01:10:43.420 but there was like this internal battle going on and I was literally trying to convince myself that

01:10:50.740 And I was the, like, I'm feeling all this pain because, you know, this is when the MAPS thing started coming out.

01:10:57.080 You know, the minor attracted person.

01:10:59.260 Can't call him pedophile.

01:11:00.440 Got to call him a minor attracted person because that's offensive, Tucker.

01:11:05.960 And so I'm, like, trying to convince myself, like, Deshaun, maybe you're just, this is old school thinking.

01:11:15.080 Maybe you shouldn't be so upset about all this thing. 0.99

01:11:17.400 You're the crazy one. 1.00

01:11:18.160 Yeah. 0.99

01:11:18.440 and uh it's dark and we get we're staying at a really nice resort down there and and uh there's 0.97

01:11:26.960 a there's a guarded gate and i pay attention to that shit because my you know my background seal 0.96

01:11:32.840 and contracting for cia and so i pay attention to that kind of shit and i uh and you know those 0.97

01:11:39.680 guys that demographic of people love my show you know because of all the military guys i've had on 0.98

01:11:45.300 So they all know me, and I stop and talk to them all, and we've been there for a week, and this old man comes out of the guard shack, and he's, like, trying to talk to me, and I'm looking at him over my shoulder, like, giving the body language, like, not now, buddy, I don't give a shit what you have to say. 0.99

01:12:06.080 I just want to go to my fucking room. 0.98

01:12:10.160 And then Katie, my wife, stops and talks to him. 1.00

01:12:16.560 And I'm like, oh, shit. 0.99

01:12:19.660 So I turn around and I square up to him. 1.00

01:12:22.940 And he looked at me.

01:12:25.220 And he read my mind from front to back. 1.00

01:12:28.300 He said, you know, all this shit that's going on with the kids. 0.99

01:12:32.860 So that's not your fight. 0.99

01:12:36.080 And then he kept talking, and I was, like, really worried about China, and that was when the spy balloon traversed over the U.S., and he brought up something about China, and I, like, lost it. 0.99

01:12:49.120 I was like, how the fuck are you in my head? 0.99

01:12:55.140 Like, how are you in my head? 0.99

01:12:57.460 And so I totally blanked out on the rest of what he said, but I knew it was in like, said like two or three more things and then have a good night and walked back into his guard shack.

01:13:16.120 And I'd never seen this dude.

01:13:18.380 I thought I'd met all the people that work there because we're in and out.

01:13:22.280 and we're going back to our we're saying like this bungalow thing like a duplex

01:13:28.460 and uh and uh there was this my best friend uh died of heroin but he was always known as a

01:13:38.000 protector's name was gabe he was like he was just a badass he was a pro hockey player before he

01:13:43.420 joined the seal teams he was an enforcer and then he joined the seal teams and like he's the guy 0.93

01:13:48.700 Like, if you're in trouble, you know Gabe's going to come whip some ass 0.99

01:13:52.880 and get you out of it. 0.98

01:13:54.460 And then we contract, and then I met him contracting for the agency,

01:14:00.960 and we became really good friends, and he had the same reputation there.

01:14:05.420 And when we first got there, we had seen this guy, and he looked identical.

01:14:09.980 Like, same, he could have been a twin.

01:14:12.300 Like, you could tell him apart, but he could have been an identical twin to Gabe.

01:14:16.840 and i'm in the super vulnerable state and this guy's like everywhere we're at this week

01:14:22.900 and i pointed him out and katie was like yeah that's looks identical to him if we're out in

01:14:29.340 town at a restaurant this dude's out there if we're on a hike he's like right behind us or

01:14:34.380 coming back if we go to the pool he's at the pool and it was just weird it's like this guy's like 0.98

01:14:39.800 always brown yeah it's not going on well uh coincidence though like i'm on top of shit like 0.81

01:14:49.240 that you know and i didn't get i know where you're going it wasn't like surveillance or anything like 0.77

01:14:54.760 that and so we're walking back to the bungalow that we've been at all week and i'm like i think

01:15:04.700 uh i think that guy in the guard shack was god just talking to me and katie goes yeah you think 0.98

01:15:13.040 sean and i was like i was like that's that's fucking crazy and she's like that's not fucking 0.74

01:15:21.240 crazy she said sean god's always talking to you you just don't make the room to let him in 0.90

01:15:27.060 And then we go to our bungalow, and this dude is staying in the other side of it.

01:15:36.060 So I took that as this guy's like maybe some other something else kind of watching over us while I'm in this vulnerable state.

01:15:45.720 And then, I get into the bungalow, and I start crying, and I'm like, what the hell is going on? 1.00

01:15:58.260 Get this shit. Let me pull this text up, I'll read it to you. 0.99

01:16:02.160 We're talking, and my phone dings, and it's Dan's daughter, who I've never met.

01:16:12.380 She doesn't have my number. Her dad just died.

01:16:15.720 and i get this text on the hunting trip with his son yeah

01:16:21.400 it says hey sean this is taylor dan's daughter

01:16:30.680 my dad requested that i reach out to you i had a moment with him the other day when my mom and i

01:16:38.200 walked into his gun room. It was the first time she had been in there since his passing, and I

01:16:46.140 felt the whole room waking like invisible stars were just bouncing off the walls. There were a

01:16:52.500 few people in the room, but he really grabbed me by the balls, as he would say, and made a couple 0.94

01:16:58.600 of clear points. I want you to know he spoke very gently, very smooth-like, and he was calm and

01:17:06.200 tranquil. One favor he asked of me is that I contact you when I'm ready. He didn't give me

01:17:12.220 any more direction than that. But I think he would just like you. I think he would just like you to

01:17:23.940 know he sees you or feels you. My mom told me recently you had become his best friend and

01:17:31.120 favorite person to be around. And if that's true, it's safe to say he really loved you

01:17:36.300 just exactly as you are. Unfortunately, my dad didn't really talk about our personal lives. We

01:17:45.180 have more of a feeling type relationship. Not a lot of talking, but just the right amount of

01:17:49.900 loving from afar. If there's ever a chance you'd feel comfortable talking about yours and his story,

01:17:57.720 i'd love to hear about it and i'm sure he would too wow yeah

01:18:06.840 yeah so i changed my life forever

01:18:12.920 did you talk to her yeah that's an incredible story pretty wild isn't it did you doubt it

01:18:21.640 or did you not at that point you knew i mean that was that all happened in about 15 minutes from

01:18:27.080 From walking through the gate to seeing Gabe's identical twin

01:18:32.260 to Dan's daughter who'd never met me

01:18:35.300 and didn't have my phone number texting me that.

01:18:40.440 This is not what you expected when you got on the flight to Sedona.

01:18:45.380 That's one way to put it.

01:18:47.240 How much your wife said that God is always talking to you,

01:18:50.480 but you don't hear it because you're distracted.

01:18:53.040 Do you think that's true?

01:18:54.780 Yeah.

01:18:55.800 Yeah.

01:18:56.300 Yeah.

01:18:57.080 And then I think it happened again in that year and a half I was telling you about that I let all the praise and all that get to me.

01:19:10.900 Yeah.

01:19:12.100 I got two wrapped up in it.

01:19:14.960 Yeah, we've all been there for sure.

01:19:18.800 Especially with knowledge, it's not just money and fame or all that.

01:19:23.800 I've never taken any of that seriously.

01:19:25.140 but the the idea that you know stuff that civilians don't know that's a kind of arrogance and lie

01:19:35.700 you said that you said like you don't know the things i know why am i even listening to you yeah

01:19:42.660 i've definitely been there it's a pretty up place to be

01:19:47.380 yeah pretty it's a pretty subtle temptation too because of course what who doesn't want more

01:19:51.540 knowledge isn't the whole point of this business to find out how things work

01:19:59.220 that's what everybody will make you think well it's what i've always assumed and then as my wife

01:20:04.020 once pointed out to me adam and eve didn't get ejected from the garden because of their ignorance

01:20:11.140 but because of their knowledge so you know the pursuit of knowledge for its own sake

01:20:17.140 Like, you know, I have mixed feelings about it.

01:20:19.880 I used to think that was like the highest virtue

01:20:21.480 was just to like know more.

01:20:23.840 But having learned a lot more than, I think,

01:20:26.540 not to be arrogant, more than most people,

01:20:28.500 I'm not sure it got me anything.

01:20:29.980 It definitely didn't get me to understanding.

01:20:32.240 Yeah.

01:20:33.860 Did you feel that as you like learned,

01:20:36.100 as you uncovered more and more lies?

01:20:40.000 Did you feel happier, more content, more at peace?

01:20:43.200 Did you feel like you had a deeper understanding

01:20:44.380 of other people or did you just feel agitated?

01:20:46.780 Oh, just agitated.

01:20:48.160 Just anger and rage and all the time.

01:20:53.760 And I'd bring it home and I'd try to play with my kids

01:20:56.600 and I wasn't there.

01:20:58.960 My head wasn't there.

01:21:01.680 You know?

01:21:03.280 And I'd try to smoke a joint or something

01:21:05.460 to get in the present moment.

01:21:07.480 That wouldn't work. 1.00

01:21:08.960 So I quit all of that shit. 0.99

01:21:10.460 I have no vices now. 1.00

01:21:11.580 It's great.

01:21:12.860 When did you give up weed?

01:21:14.400 About a month ago.

01:21:15.340 how's it going great any downsides nope didn't affect your sleep

01:21:22.400 i don't know what's affecting my sleep you can't sleep anyway so that's that's not that's not um

01:21:29.560 that's all this other stuff that i'm going through right now that's affected my sleep it's not that

01:21:35.560 but you gave up weed no drinking no drinking haven't had a drop in over four years

01:21:41.260 that happened after I have a gain.

01:21:45.780 And then, yeah, now no caffeine.

01:21:49.400 No caffeine?

01:21:50.500 Nicotine.

01:21:51.280 No nicotine?

01:21:51.760 Sorry.

01:21:52.560 Okay, now, okay.

01:21:53.540 Sorry, but...

01:21:55.360 You know, Sean, I was with you up until right then,

01:21:57.740 but you start getting into nicotine

01:21:59.820 and that's like crazy town.

01:22:01.520 No drugs, no weed, no nothing.

01:22:03.580 What do you think of it?

01:22:04.960 It's great.

01:22:05.460 there's just nothing to mask your emotions 1.00

01:22:12.020 fucking naked in front of everybody 0.99

01:22:14.160 what's happening 1.00

01:22:15.660 when I'm reading that text

01:22:17.280 that would never happen before

01:22:18.700 I'm feeling things

01:22:22.300 I'm feeling emotions

01:22:23.980 before I just felt rage

01:22:26.420 just anger

01:22:27.600 that's pretty much it

01:22:29.200 and now

01:22:32.720 I'm feeling all of them

01:22:35.460 I think that's why we use substances.

01:22:39.960 We don't have to do that, right?

01:22:41.580 Mm-hmm.

01:22:43.800 Was it a hard transition?

01:22:51.400 Not as hard as you think.

01:22:57.540 You don't feel on overload?

01:23:01.460 This is what puts me on overload.

01:23:03.160 was it hard to get off what was harder getting off caffeine and nicotine or social media

01:23:10.900 yeah yeah how long did it take to get over your withdrawals your ex-withdrawals

01:23:21.060 not long you know but my my circumstances are a little different because of the things i'm

01:23:29.500 dealing with right now and what i was you know describing to you uh with the priests and that

01:23:37.180 kind of stuff is just um so much more important and so much more real so i i i just i have to

01:23:47.480 deal with that and um which means i can't be dealing with this and i know what this will do

01:23:54.020 I know it will throw me back on the path that I was on.

01:24:00.140 And I just, I don't want any part of that anymore.

01:24:03.160 So you're describing the phone as actively evil.

01:24:05.880 I mean, that's what you're saying.

01:24:06.920 Yeah.

01:24:07.280 I mean, one person showed me, you know, I mean, talking about Adam and Eve, you know, what is that?

01:24:19.140 It's an apple.

01:24:20.520 Yeah, with one bite out of it.

01:24:24.020 I've never thought of that.

01:24:29.860 Huh.

01:24:32.340 So it's like,

01:24:33.540 this is the tree of the knowledge

01:24:36.220 of good and evil, basically.

01:24:39.080 I never thought of that.

01:24:41.880 Me neither.

01:24:42.900 You can tell what a deep person I am.

01:24:45.480 How often do you have a realization like that

01:24:49.560 and you understand that,

01:24:51.960 like something you've had in your hand,

01:24:54.620 you know, every five minutes for the last 10 years,

01:24:56.600 you've never really thought about it.

01:24:58.020 Yeah.

01:24:58.480 How am I missing the most obvious things?

01:25:00.380 I don't know.

01:25:01.200 I mean, I just, yeah, we're all a slave to it.

01:25:07.520 So you've, you're rolling out an app called Glacier.

01:25:13.120 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:14.320 One of my least favorite things to talk about

01:25:15.800 is technology or apps, I should say,

01:25:18.940 or other people's projects

01:25:21.020 or like what someone's selling or whatever.

01:25:23.360 I would, every time I interview someone,

01:25:26.780 not every time, but very often it's like,

01:25:28.280 I've got this new thing, can you talk about it?

01:25:30.060 You actually didn't mention this to me at all.

01:25:32.040 You didn't want to talk about it.

01:25:33.540 And I hate this topic,

01:25:35.160 but this is an interesting enough thing

01:25:36.860 that I would actually like to push you on a little bit.

01:25:39.440 Okay.

01:25:41.100 So one of the big problems I have with phones

01:25:43.480 is I don't, that they're not private, of course,

01:25:46.340 and not just for us.

01:25:47.720 I mean, it's obvious if you're in broadcasting,

01:25:50.220 you know you're going to be surveilled so and i know that i am but just like everybody is and

01:25:56.520 it's upsetting and there's really kind of no solution to it i've spent a lot of time on this

01:26:01.240 topic and i've never seen anything that protects people from it but it sounds like this app might

01:26:07.020 help what is it it's uh can i just tell you the story yeah that would be better than me trying

01:26:16.040 to get into the technicalities of everything

01:26:18.180 that I don't know and understand that well.

01:26:21.280 But, you know, it just came from paranoia, you know?

01:26:26.480 I mean, I think the last time I checked,

01:26:29.280 I think I interviewed eight people

01:26:32.380 that got picked up for the administration.

01:26:35.680 Two of them thanked me personally

01:26:38.000 because they said my interviews

01:26:39.480 are the ones that got them in there.

01:26:41.480 One of them got picked five days

01:26:43.120 after I released the interview.

01:26:44.440 Secretary of War

01:26:46.260 and

01:26:51.260 just like after

01:26:53.200 they all got in there

01:26:54.180 and there's

01:26:56.420 some of them trying to influence me

01:26:59.380 and senators and congressmen

01:27:01.640 and

01:27:01.960 other people

01:27:04.960 and I'm like

01:27:07.340 and now that they're in there it's like 0.99

01:27:09.300 they want me to do shit or they did 0.98

01:27:11.420 I pretty much have made my statements 0.99

01:27:13.400 like i'm very loud about shit and i want them to get the message i don't fucking ask me for 0.95

01:27:17.800 that stuff and and um but i get i got paranoid like 0.98

01:27:23.500 are they monitoring me now because they're worried i'm gonna go against them or

01:27:30.300 like what's going on and and then the baosh kim interview happened or you know in taiwan and i

01:27:36.540 started getting paranoid about that so anyways i started looking up i was like i i need like

01:27:41.100 something if anything just for peace of mind like i like if are they listening when i'm talking to

01:27:48.300 my wife are they listening and when i go to dinners with people like what is happening and um

01:27:55.020 and so short answer yes yeah so i started asking around for a black phone i'm like what it like

01:27:59.820 what is the one that people are using and uh like is the is there a real one or is it all these

01:28:06.700 bullshit gimmicky ones that came out and a friend of mine said yeah that this is what this is what

01:28:15.880 the like the tier one units and the intelligence communities and stuff are using it's this it's 0.95

01:28:22.820 called Glacier and um so I called um who's now my CEO Elijah and I was like hey get in touch with

01:28:33.800 this company and let's uh i want a phone and i want one for everybody on the team and um so

01:28:41.660 he got in touch and i was like see if they're interested in advertising and it's like yeah

01:28:47.060 they love the show i was like really that's cool and i was like see if they're interested that's

01:28:54.320 the community that watches your show i think it's fair to say yeah and i was like see if uh

01:28:59.020 see if they want to do an equity deal.

01:29:03.880 Yeah, they want to do an equity deal.

01:29:06.200 And I was like, all right, well, let's get the product

01:29:07.880 and see if we like it and if it actually works.

01:29:11.080 And then I found out the price of the product, 0.99

01:29:13.760 and I was like, holy shit. 0.99

01:29:16.560 Like, it's very expensive for a phone 0.99

01:29:19.140 and even more expensive for the service.

01:29:21.300 Like, ish, like ballpark.

01:29:23.140 Like, close to 10 grand for the phone.

01:29:29.020 and and maybe a little bit more than that for the service and so i was like man that's a lot

01:29:35.760 yeah i'm like um well we're getting them because i'm super fucking paranoid and um you know they

01:29:43.820 have like kidnapping features for your kids and they can they can up upload and and delete 0.98

01:29:50.080 footprints in different countries so that it makes you know they can do all kinds of like wazoo shit 0.87

01:29:55.420 but totally delete your digital footprint from wherever 0.75

01:30:01.320 and upload a fake one.

01:30:03.820 They can do all kinds of like,

01:30:06.340 they have a messaging service that tunnels you in.

01:30:09.180 So the signal leak that happened early on,

01:30:12.520 that's impossible to happen.

01:30:13.740 You could have your entire organization

01:30:15.240 in this one chat where you can't accidentally

01:30:19.240 add the wrong Tucker in there.

01:30:22.480 You know what I mean?

01:30:22.960 and you couldn't put Jeffrey Goldberg

01:30:25.040 from the Atlantic on your group text.

01:30:26.560 Yeah, exactly.

01:30:28.340 That might be worth 10 grand.

01:30:30.360 Yeah.

01:30:34.220 So anyways, I was like,

01:30:36.380 man, I would love to do business with you guys,

01:30:38.120 but I was like, we're shooting for like

01:30:40.120 top tier tech CEOs, C-suite execs,

01:30:45.180 and maybe government contracts,

01:30:47.600 which you guys already have a foothold in.

01:30:49.560 And I was like, I would be interested

01:30:52.460 if you had like an application that was maybe, you know, close to that, or maybe some of the

01:30:59.660 features that you have in this aren't in that, you know, something that's more affordable that

01:31:04.280 everybody can use. And they said, well, we obviously have a program. We can turn it into an

01:31:14.080 app. And I was like, all right, let's see what that looks like. So we did it. And we spent about

01:31:22.200 a year uh putting it all together and um so it's called the glacier app and uh it's you know a lot

01:31:30.140 of the vpn companies that podcasters are representing are owned by china or they're

01:31:35.500 owned by israel or they're owned by russia they're fake yeah and um i mean you can you can look it

01:31:43.560 up don't take my word for it i dropped a vpn sponsor over this exact question me too yeah me

01:31:49.480 too and and uh i didn't know that i didn't know that the vpn is basically a digital honey trap

01:31:57.500 yeah and so in one and a lot like there's a chinese company that owns like a whole conglomerate of

01:32:05.760 these things so you so anyways we're all american vpns uh no data is stored at all um secure dns

01:32:15.480 uh data blocking so i think this morning before i came in here we just launched it like

01:32:21.980 it just happened to come out like two days ago uh and just by what 11 a.m we had like 830

01:32:31.120 web trackers blocked on the phone which is the marketing shit and i don't even have social

01:32:37.160 media apps on my phone told you i deleted them all and then uh it has a uh we have a burner number 0.66

01:32:43.340 service on there. So especially for somebody like you or I, who's meeting all these people,

01:32:52.180 maybe you don't want everybody to have your number. So you can go in there and pick any

01:32:58.420 area code you want, buy a burner number and give that to these state actors or for regular people,

01:33:06.940 You get a hotel, you make a contribution to a political campaign, you order a pizza, whatever it is, your number goes up for sale, and then you're getting 50 million spam calls.

01:33:21.300 So you can buy however many burner numbers you want, and if the relationship goes sour, you just burn the number and pick a new one, and then they have no way to contact you ever again.

01:33:36.940 And so, yeah, we call it the Glacier app, and it's affordable.

01:33:43.740 Everybody can get it.

01:33:45.160 Does it help prevent you from being spied on?

01:33:48.980 It does the things that I told you it does.

01:33:51.680 And so there's nothing that's foolproof, being honest.

01:33:57.480 I'm sure there's some way to possibly defeat it,

01:34:00.720 But, you know, for the majority of stuff, it's going to block 99% of the stuff that comes in.

01:34:09.080 What if your phone number's on the internet?

01:34:12.720 What if your phone number's on the internet?

01:34:14.500 Yeah, my number's on the internet.

01:34:16.220 Well, I mean, it's not going to delete your phone number off the internet. 0.99

01:34:21.200 Damn. 0.98

01:34:22.260 But you can get as many new ones as you want. 0.99

01:34:26.220 And you just go to the Apple store and get it?

01:34:29.840 Yep.

01:34:30.720 You go to the Apple Store and get it or the GlacierOp.com, either one.

01:34:36.820 It's just for iOS right now.

01:34:38.720 We'll have Android out in a couple months.

01:34:41.500 But with your number, just Glacier aside, if you get rid of your number, you want to keep it and get a new one.

01:34:52.380 You don't want to burn the number that you have all your banks and all that kind of stuff to

01:34:57.520 because if somebody else picks that up,

01:34:59.380 then it would be a bad deal for you.

01:35:02.300 It would be a bad deal.

01:35:03.300 Yeah.

01:35:05.220 I don't do online banking as a result.

01:35:08.660 Or online whatever.

01:35:10.040 Yeah, I don't do online anything.

01:35:11.600 That's right.

01:35:11.960 Good for you.

01:35:12.400 Yeah, I don't.

01:35:13.580 I just, I never was impressed by all that stuff.

01:35:17.360 I order ammo on my phone, that's it.

01:35:19.820 It's the only transaction I do on my phone.

01:35:23.700 Well, I bet you got a lot of that.

01:35:25.060 I do, yeah, I have a lot of that.

01:35:27.520 so what i know you're not in the business of giving like advice to people you're clearly

01:35:36.960 coming from a place especially now of like genuine humility and you said it's important

01:35:42.100 to work on yourself before you start running around telling other people how to live and i

01:35:46.460 respect all of that but if you know if you had a son who was like 15 or 25 or you know older

01:35:54.260 and said, what advice would you give me about how to live?

01:35:57.680 What would your advice be?

01:36:00.000 Don't put your faith in any man.

01:36:02.240 Yeah.

01:36:04.560 You're going to be disappointed every single time.

01:36:10.140 Yeah.

01:36:11.960 That's really wise.

01:36:13.260 There's something in us that wants to believe in other people.

01:36:18.680 Did you put your faith in Pete Hegseth?

01:36:21.960 Yep.

01:36:24.260 What was your takeaway from your interview with him?

01:36:28.620 Well, if I remember right, I mean, I don't remember the interview that well,

01:36:34.180 but if I remember right, Pete wanted to be the secretary of the Veterans Affairs.

01:36:40.800 He did, in the first term.

01:36:42.960 And I just have no, I just don't really have much interest in the Veterans Affairs.

01:36:49.760 And so I steered the interview into what would you do if you were a secretary of defense?

01:36:54.260 because I was much more interested in that kind of stuff

01:36:57.380 than I was with the Veterans Affairs.

01:36:58.980 Being a veteran, I just think the VA is a lost cost.

01:37:02.460 Really?

01:37:03.240 Yeah.

01:37:04.000 And so I steered it that way.

01:37:11.040 And then five days later, after the release, the guy gets...

01:37:15.880 I didn't even want to interview Pete because it was a book. 0.99

01:37:20.180 He had a book out, and he's a Fox News guy, and I fucking hate Fox News. 0.94

01:37:24.880 And I was like, I don't know. 0.96

01:37:26.260 I don't want to interview him because he's a Fox News guy.

01:37:31.960 And I was like, all right.

01:37:34.420 Like, I think it was a whatever.

01:37:36.240 I was like, all right, we'll do it.

01:37:38.240 And then it was like, all right, hurry up and get this interview out.

01:37:43.900 I just, you just get it out.

01:37:45.860 Let's get this over with.

01:37:47.660 You didn't think you were about to change history of the world?

01:37:50.260 Yeah.

01:37:50.480 And then five days later, he gets picked up for Secretary of Defense. 0.97

01:37:54.260 what did you think when you heard that i was like holy shit that's crazy and then it inflated my 0.99

01:38:02.400 ego i'm like holy shit the show has power then i went to the army named me football game and 0.98

01:38:06.500 he points at me he goes thank you i'm like i was up at the box with all the big wigs you know 0.97

01:38:14.720 vance and trump and all of all of them and i'm like what the fuck am i doing here but it you 0.75

01:38:21.740 You know, it inflates my ego. 0.99

01:38:23.600 And I'm like, holy shit. 0.99

01:38:24.780 And then everybody else gets picked. 0.99

01:38:29.500 Ash Patel, Tulsi, you know.

01:38:32.660 Now, I'm not saying, like, I'm the guy.

01:38:35.000 But for that one, that interview definitely had some influence.

01:38:41.320 How do you think it's gone?

01:38:45.120 I don't know.

01:38:45.940 I mean, I don't think any of these guys really have any.

01:38:48.360 you know the funny thing is like you see all these people get up there and they get addicted 0.98

01:38:53.920 to this fucking power that they do not have right you know it's like you think you're so powerful 0.98

01:38:59.780 that's so but you can't even you can't even say what's on your mind like you're powerless 1.00

01:39:04.820 you have no fucking power you're just around you're around power that's telling you what 0.75

01:39:11.420 to do and what to say and it's like i don't get the but they probably don't see it you know what 1.00

01:39:21.060 i mean they probably don't see it but they think they have all this power and they really they 0.89

01:39:25.400 don't have any fucking power because they can't say what they really think yeah they can't say 0.99

01:39:29.580 what they were they won't even stand up for what they believe in man like look at the shit that's 1.00

01:39:34.520 happening you really you're gonna sit here and tell me the fucking country's going great 0.99

01:39:40.100 while the president of the United States kids 0.99

01:39:42.500 are buying private islands with bunkers?

01:39:45.320 Must be going great.

01:39:50.780 Fair.

01:39:52.540 I hadn't thought of it that way.

01:39:54.800 That's probably not a good sign then, right?

01:39:57.100 I don't know.

01:39:58.600 Maybe they got some insider information,

01:40:00.500 but, you know, I mean, how can you, like, what?

01:40:10.100 Why do you hate Fox News?

01:40:13.280 It's so great.

01:40:14.840 Yeah, I don't know.

01:40:15.800 Maybe I should give it another chance.

01:40:17.360 It's probably been three or four years since I've watched it.

01:40:21.880 Me too.

01:40:23.920 I don't think I'm missing anything.

01:40:27.060 But, I mean, can you drill down a little bit on that?

01:40:31.840 What about it turned you off?

01:40:33.440 I'm just interested.

01:40:34.220 I worked there at one point.

01:40:36.000 Yeah, I mean, just a...

01:40:40.100 it's just lies over there too i think you know it's it's with both it's not just fox news it's

01:40:51.540 all of them it's all of them you know and you see you know especially like now i haven't seen it in

01:40:58.420 a while but i would see things pop up on x and stuff and i'm like and i i the older generation

01:41:07.460 that watches it that's how i know what's going on on there you know and it's like man did you know

01:41:13.220 about like this and that the other like are you getting a full picture here or they don't know

01:41:19.960 anything it's it's it's just crazy to me like they listen to only you know one source and it's like 0.98

01:41:31.760 man like you you're not getting a full picture here and they're they're hiding shit from you 0.99

01:41:36.960 maybe they're not maybe they're not lying they probably are but they're hiding shit from you 0.99

01:41:42.640 they're hiding the full picture they're hiding the full picture of the epstein files they're 0.95

01:41:47.720 hiding the full picture if everything i ran war like is anybody over there talking about the

01:41:52.840 petrodollar no is anybody talking about the schizophrenic leadership that we're dealing 0.99

01:41:58.880 with right now like this shit with canada like could you imagine like doing business with the u.s 0.99

01:42:03.900 like the canada pipeline and i'm gonna butcher this but like what the biden administration 0.99

01:42:10.020 denied it they didn't want the the the keystone was keystone yeah keystone pipeline coming in

01:42:15.160 and then they're like okay so then they do some deal with china and then we what throw like a 25

01:42:21.880 then trump comes in we throw a 25 tariff on him for doing business with china then we throw a 35

01:42:28.600 Then we do 100% tariff. 0.96

01:42:30.960 And it's like, dude, what the fuck is Canada supposed to do? 0.95

01:42:34.440 They tried to pipe it right into the Midwest. 0.98

01:42:36.640 We denied it.

01:42:37.320 Now you're going to put 100% tariff on them for making a deal with somebody else that they offered us at the beginning. 0.93

01:42:46.280 If I was a foreign country, there's no way in fucking hell I would do business with the United States. 0.77

01:42:56.000 Because there's no continuity. 1.00

01:42:57.260 It's literally like dealing with a crazy person. 1.00

01:43:01.900 Like a schizophrenic fucking crazy person. 1.00

01:43:06.120 Like shit, I just offered this to you guys like a couple years ago. 1.00

01:43:09.520 Now you're like going crazy on me. 1.00

01:43:13.940 What are you supposed to do?

01:43:17.940 I think you're supposed to remember.

01:43:18.900 That's just one. 0.84

01:43:19.720 I think the answer is Putin is bad. 0.98

01:43:22.960 He's very, very bad.

01:43:25.420 That's the rumor.

01:43:27.260 i think that i think one of the um the main reasons that the united states which is protected

01:43:34.320 from the rest of the world by the world's largest oceans never been invaded has all the natural

01:43:40.820 resources we need and a lot of great and smart people the whole reason that we've been perpetually

01:43:46.180 at war real really since 1917 is because identifying a foreign threat or foreign enemy

01:43:55.360 or something to worry about far away

01:43:57.520 removes attention from our own bad leadership.

01:44:01.340 It's a way of like our leaders to be like,

01:44:03.720 okay, you're right, but Putin. 0.68

01:44:06.780 But honestly, the problem is Putin or Hitler 0.54

01:44:08.960 who's been dead for 85 years or whatever. 0.80

01:44:12.920 It's like, okay.

01:44:13.360 Like this straight-to-harmooze stuff,

01:44:14.740 like from what I understand,

01:44:18.420 like nobody really controlled it before. 0.88

01:44:21.200 But now, now Iran has discovered like, 0.96

01:44:24.820 holy shit like the united states can't even shut us down so now there's i'm sure there's going to 0.97

01:44:29.480 be tax and escorts and everything until the end of time because if we can't shut them down nobody's 0.98

01:44:36.000 going to shut of course you know what i mean and so hello new gas prices like they're not

01:44:40.380 fucking coming back we just turned iran into a global power yeah and it will remain a global 0.94

01:44:45.640 power for the rest of our lives at least good job admin yeah good job did you think when you 0.99

01:44:52.400 interviewed pete hegseth did you met since you served in the military under a secretary of well

01:44:57.440 then it was defense now it's of war in fact let me just interrupt myself and say what do you think

01:45:02.180 of the change from secretary of defense department to department of war oh i thought it was i thought 0.95

01:45:07.540 it was stupid yeah i thought it was like what why why you'd know that's just gonna piss people off

01:45:14.800 what's who cares we had to make and then and then of course we had to make a big show about it i 0.98

01:45:21.680 mean i think pete has done some good stuff you know i mean he's cleaned up some of the d all

01:45:26.540 maybe all of the dei stuff i think that's great good job you know what i mean but but i mean you 0.75

01:45:33.360 know what i mean i i don't really know how much influence the suck def even has anymore you know

01:45:38.800 so um good job on that because that sucked and i you know i saw a lot of i saw morale come back i

01:45:45.700 still got some buddies in but i'll tell you what uh i just had some buddies leave and

01:45:52.060 everybody knows what this is everybody knows they're fighting for israel it's a joke and

01:45:59.240 this isn't me saying this this is not me saying this right this is them this is this is the guys

01:46:05.960 that are going to go over there and tier one tier two units that are joking around saying like yeah

01:46:13.240 this is this isn't even for us and you know through just throughout history that's that's

01:46:19.480 not a winning strategy well especially since if they don't believe in what they're potentially

01:46:25.180 going to do which hopefully they're going to do nothing yes but high probability they're going to

01:46:31.040 do something and they know it's not for the united states it's for a foreign country like

01:46:38.800 the fight's out of the dog, buddy. 0.59

01:46:42.560 Really?

01:46:44.220 Well, especially because they could get killed.

01:46:46.300 I mean, it's kind of high stakes.

01:46:48.220 That's what I'm getting at.

01:46:49.360 Yeah.

01:46:50.980 They know it's not for us.

01:46:53.160 We're not defending our country.

01:46:58.280 And you think they know that?

01:47:00.300 No, I don't think they know that.

01:47:01.440 I know they know that

01:47:02.760 because I just had a going-away party for one,

01:47:07.020 and that's all he was talking about. 0.98

01:47:08.800 and it's fucking sad 0.98

01:47:10.900 I mean it's such a betrayal 0.98

01:47:14.340 it's such a betrayal

01:47:17.600 like why don't you just get out man

01:47:19.420 because it's what he does for a living right

01:47:23.580 yeah

01:47:26.000 what do you do after that

01:47:27.220 exactly

01:47:27.860 like probably start a podcast

01:47:30.020 yeah

01:47:31.240 no but seriously

01:47:34.280 what do you do

01:47:35.260 I don't know if we need like more

01:47:37.580 shooting schools or executive protection.

01:47:39.640 I mean, I feel for those guys. They have these

01:47:41.380 specialized talents,

01:47:43.360 skills honed at

01:47:45.240 great expense over years. Well, you know,

01:47:47.700 you got to give them hope. And so,

01:47:49.680 because, yeah, that's what

01:47:51.400 where most of them wind up. And a lot of

01:47:53.480 them are happy doing it. You know, my guy

01:47:55.460 is, but if you

01:47:57.480 don't, then you have to be willing to

01:47:59.440 reinvent and start from zero and go

01:48:01.480 to one. And that's really fucking hard to 0.96

01:48:03.480 do, but that's what you 0.97

01:48:05.440 have to do.

01:48:07.580 Do you talk to people getting out a lot?

01:48:11.660 Not a lot, but I mean, I'm getting older, you know, so I'm losing touch.

01:48:16.420 And most of my generation is out.

01:48:19.860 How do they feel about what they did?

01:48:23.580 Pissed.

01:48:24.620 Really?

01:48:25.660 Majority of them are pissed.

01:48:28.100 And these are GWAT people?

01:48:29.960 Yeah.

01:48:30.760 What are they mad about?

01:48:33.080 They don't believe it was for the right reasons. 0.99

01:48:37.580 I just told you the Pete Blaber episode, you know, the whole Iraq invasion was based off of a fucking lie. 0.99

01:48:44.620 A water truck, an air conditioning unit, and a guy taking piss outside of a building. 0.98

01:48:49.280 That sounds like weapons mass destruction to me, Sean.

01:48:52.200 We sure showed them, didn't we?

01:48:56.460 So at some point you got recruitment problems if people believe what you just said, right?

01:49:03.400 Yeah, I would imagine.

01:49:06.180 I don't know what the numbers are.

01:49:07.580 when you were over there did you think a lot about why you were over there

01:49:14.860 yeah but you know information didn't flow like it does now so we all thought we were there for

01:49:24.400 the right reasons and um really the only gripe was coming home and listening to all the 0.91

01:49:30.880 all the liberal democrats bitching about the war turns out they were right the whole fucking time 0.94

01:49:37.120 I know, but you know, that's a head trip right there. 0.98

01:49:41.040 That's hard for me to admit, but it's true.

01:49:47.720 So that raised the question.

01:49:49.180 So like guys in SEAL teams or Delta or any of the most famous and highly trained special

01:49:56.320 operator types, I always assume that they're right-wing Republicans.

01:50:01.200 I've always thought that.

01:50:02.920 Is that still true?

01:50:05.040 I don't know.

01:50:05.900 You know, I don't, I don't know.

01:50:09.920 I don't really, everything's just so mixed up now. 0.98

01:50:12.540 I mean, shit, you just got a love letter from my mother-in-law who hated you a year ago. 0.98

01:50:16.920 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:50:17.960 Everybody's mixed up.

01:50:18.820 I don't think anybody knows.

01:50:19.660 She wrote me a very nice letter.

01:50:20.760 She's now a subscriber.

01:50:23.900 I thought she was never going to talk to me when you wrote her a letter a year ago.

01:50:27.180 I did.

01:50:27.580 I wrote it in jest, but also, you know, from one Protestant to another, I thought, you know, I thought I could make a connection. 0.56

01:50:35.920 But anyway. 0.75

01:50:38.220 And you did.

01:50:38.980 It's hilarious.

01:50:40.300 She seems very sweet, actually.

01:50:43.780 Everything's so messed up now.

01:50:45.000 That's right.

01:50:46.100 Like, how would you describe your politics?

01:50:47.700 Do you have politics or you're just not even interested anymore?

01:50:49.940 I'm a Christian.

01:50:50.940 Yeah.

01:50:52.740 So my last question is like, what do you think?

01:50:55.320 So you know what's going on in your life you've had.

01:50:57.160 And thank you for talking about it.

01:50:59.220 I know it's like you're in the middle of it.

01:51:00.720 So it's hard to talk about it.

01:51:03.400 But do you see it happening in other people?

01:51:05.460 like do you think there's something bigger going on oh yeah i mean yes i do i don't know what's

01:51:13.900 real and what's not though i think that there are people also that are you know coming to christ who

01:51:20.600 are like oh look what happened to that guy you know what i mean with his view counts or what

01:51:27.420 like it's like the thing to do now sometimes you know so i don't i don't know but yeah i think that

01:51:32.820 I think there's a wave of it happening.

01:51:35.260 I mean, there's definitely a resurgence in the younger generations.

01:51:38.160 Yes.

01:51:38.800 You know, and so that's really cool.

01:51:41.220 That's really cool to see.

01:51:42.780 And you see that.

01:51:43.780 Yeah, I see it.

01:51:45.680 I see it.

01:51:46.500 I see when I go to church, everybody's paying attention.

01:51:51.600 And I bounce around from all kinds of different churches.

01:51:54.600 Not this morning.

01:51:55.860 Yeah, the priest didn't show up out here.

01:51:58.500 I should say.

01:51:59.720 You texted me at 7.30 this morning.

01:52:01.800 You want to go to church with me? 0.99

01:52:02.820 This is the least Christian state out of 50.

01:52:06.460 So there aren't many churches and active churches,

01:52:09.800 but you decide Monday morning you're going to church.

01:52:13.140 I go through to four days a week now.

01:52:15.520 Really?

01:52:16.160 Yeah, I like to bring, I bring my two-year-old

01:52:21.580 and then the next day I bring my four-year-old

01:52:24.260 and after each time we go to mass,

01:52:26.600 I bring him to breakfast and we get some one-on-one time

01:52:28.940 and then take him home and then I go to work.

01:52:32.820 that's the best it's awesome i love it and they're into it really yeah i remember bringing

01:52:41.140 my two-year-olds to church and it was like a nightmare like climbing on your head in the

01:52:46.500 middle of communion it will be if i bring them together right oh is that right you split them

01:52:50.320 up that's smart yeah one-on-one time with dad and they want to go they asked me can i go with you

01:52:56.960 today and really it's pretty cool yeah we talk about communion they ask about the special bread

01:53:03.400 it's pretty neat and do people who you grew up with who you talk to your friends guys you served

01:53:11.560 with are they thinking more about god than they oh yeah all of them all of the you know you know

01:53:18.340 what's really cool actually is um you know you're addicted to the fight i can see it

01:53:26.240 these guys are addicted to the fight i'm addicted to the fight a lot of these guys have fought for

01:53:30.620 30 plus years and um like a guy like tom satterley uh who i brought to the out party with me yeah

01:53:39.480 and uh he was a he was in somalia you know when that whole thing went down and then quite a man

01:53:45.120 yeah amazing human yes i mean all these guys are like you know addicted to the fight now they're

01:53:50.980 But man, there's just so many of us that are diving into spiritual warfare and learning about it.

01:54:00.100 And so that seems to be the new thing with my old community.

01:54:05.060 Really?

01:54:05.600 Yeah, it's pretty neat to see. 0.55

01:54:06.740 I think of it as guys who are the real dork, people who are actually pulling the trigger.

01:54:12.500 Pretty secular group, I always thought. 0.96

01:54:14.960 Is that fair?

01:54:16.760 Yeah.

01:54:17.700 Yeah, I would say so.

01:54:19.880 But in these times, not so much.

01:54:26.840 Amazing.

01:54:27.720 Yeah.

01:54:28.860 Thank you for talking about all this.

01:54:30.740 My pleasure.

01:54:31.360 I know it's painful, but I think it's really inspiring.

01:54:34.460 Thank you.

01:54:35.260 Well, thanks for having me, man.

01:54:37.060 Literally anytime.

01:54:38.060 I love coming out here.

01:54:39.140 I love having you.

01:54:40.380 John Ryan, thank you.

The Tucker Carlson Show - July 24, 2026

Shawn Ryan： Trump’s Betrayal, Iran, Government Spying, Encounters With Demons, and Finding God

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