This is Gavin Newsom - And, This Is Flooding The Zone With Truth Ft. Ben Meiselas of MeidasTouch

00:00:00.260 He's strong, wrong, and fraud.

00:00:02.620 I think the Democratic Party just isn't saying,

00:00:04.600 I'm gonna frickin' fight for you.

00:00:06.160 It's not about power, dominance, and aggression.

00:00:08.760 It's about empathy, compassion, collaboration.

00:00:11.240 Those are the superpowers.

00:00:12.400 I don't wake up and go, this is how I make money.

00:00:14.420 And I go, this is life or death.

00:00:16.480 So on today's podcast, I have someone very excited

00:00:19.340 to bring on the air, someone who's just lighting it up

00:00:23.840 with the pro-democracy network he's built, Midas Touch.

00:00:27.120 Ben and his two brothers took an idea,

00:00:31.900 pen to paper in 2021,

00:00:33.580 and they built one of the most important networks

00:00:37.600 in the United States of America.

00:00:40.260 I'm looking forward to this free-ranging conversation.

00:00:43.040 We're gonna talk Trump, Trumpism.

00:00:44.520 We're gonna talk about the government shutdown,

00:00:46.400 but I also look forward to talking about Ben,

00:00:49.220 how Democrats can come out of the wilderness,

00:00:51.360 how we can get back on our feet,

00:00:52.760 how we can move away from being a party

00:00:54.300 that's identified as weak to a party

00:00:56.280 that can once again assert ourselves

00:00:57.960 much more formally using our moral authority

00:01:00.460 and our formal authority

00:01:02.080 and how we can take on Trump and Trumpism

00:01:04.660 and win the 2026 congressional race.

00:01:10.560 This is Gavin Newsom.

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00:03:31.440 I think I showed the messiness of life

00:03:33.460 like even before kids.

00:03:34.740 So like it was kind of a natural thing

00:03:36.500 just to show every part of it

00:03:38.260 after kids too.

00:03:40.480 This week on the Bright Side Podcast,

00:03:42.680 Chrissy Teigen gets real

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00:03:46.220 and how she turned her family's

00:03:47.980 toughest moments into connection

00:03:49.600 and advocacy.

00:03:50.980 When Miles was diagnosed

00:03:52.040 with type 1 diabetes,

00:03:53.560 I knew in a way that

00:03:54.780 we were going to become

00:03:56.100 the face of something

00:03:57.680 and we could help

00:03:59.380 so many people.

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00:04:09.300 Yeah, you're in my studio now.

00:04:10.820 I'm in your studio.

00:04:11.420 You are usually in my living room.

00:04:13.260 I'm loving this.

00:04:14.380 And by the way,

00:04:14.860 I didn't know if you actually existed

00:04:16.020 or you're an avatar,

00:04:17.260 one of those AI things from Sora,

00:04:19.180 whatever,

00:04:19.620 that Sam Altman put out.

00:04:20.820 I used to exist

00:04:21.840 and then I became an avatar.

00:04:23.680 No, but you're like,

00:04:24.820 I actually,

00:04:25.240 I think you're there.

00:04:26.200 You're across from me.

00:04:27.200 And so you are human.

00:04:29.620 Look at this.

00:04:30.740 Okay.

00:04:31.080 I want to confirm

00:04:32.500 we have the one and only.

00:04:36.960 By the way,

00:04:37.400 he has the Midas touch.

00:04:38.780 Hopefully.

00:04:39.100 I can confirm

00:04:39.840 on the basis of our fist bump.

00:04:41.220 That's good.

00:04:41.720 Right here.

00:04:42.920 Ben Masalis,

00:04:43.700 thank you so much.

00:04:44.980 Great to be here, Gov.

00:04:46.040 For being here.

00:04:46.980 Podcaster of the Year.

00:04:48.140 Come on.

00:04:48.500 You got the Webby Award.

00:04:49.540 I did get the Webby Award.

00:04:50.620 That's a bit, right?

00:04:51.340 Tell me,

00:04:51.700 don't act like humble,

00:04:52.900 but you're like,

00:04:53.360 well,

00:04:53.540 it's really not about

00:04:54.500 the recognition.

00:04:55.340 Not really.

00:04:55.800 It's about,

00:04:56.480 you know,

00:04:56.740 some people grew up

00:04:57.620 and become governors.

00:04:58.620 Others wouldn't.

00:04:59.120 It's a big deal, man.

00:05:00.420 Right?

00:05:00.800 Webby Awards.

00:05:01.600 You know,

00:05:01.880 I never expected

00:05:02.840 that this was going

00:05:03.820 to even be a career path for me.

00:05:05.460 I mean,

00:05:05.600 I was a litigator

00:05:07.040 in Bakersfield,

00:05:08.300 Kern County,

00:05:09.080 Fresno.

00:05:09.500 I lived at the Truxton Marriott

00:05:11.600 for years doing trials

00:05:13.220 out there.

00:05:13.920 By the way,

00:05:14.120 it's a better Marriott

00:05:15.000 than most Marriott's.

00:05:16.060 Just like the Doubletree

00:05:16.940 in Fresno

00:05:17.480 is pretty damn good Doubletree.

00:05:19.240 Great chicken quesadilla

00:05:20.360 every night that I'd get there.

00:05:21.940 Can't beat it.

00:05:23.420 And through that,

00:05:24.820 my work evolved

00:05:25.620 to representing Colin Kaepernick

00:05:27.160 in his case with the NFL.

00:05:29.740 Yeah.

00:05:30.280 Represented him there

00:05:31.020 and I saw

00:05:31.820 what it was like

00:05:32.800 when the force

00:05:34.320 of large corporations

00:05:35.500 and government at the time.

00:05:37.080 Trump said,

00:05:37.640 get that son of a bitch

00:05:38.440 off the field.

00:05:39.200 And in many ways,

00:05:40.100 I feel we're all

00:05:40.840 being Kaepernick'd today.

00:05:42.880 Look at that.

00:05:43.660 Right?

00:05:43.940 So I represented him

00:05:45.000 and then transitioned

00:05:46.460 over COVID.

00:05:47.480 I felt like I had

00:05:48.140 to do something.

00:05:48.740 I wasn't a political guy.

00:05:50.220 Figured I needed

00:05:50.740 to do something.

00:05:51.560 So I just started

00:05:52.440 talking about politics,

00:05:54.240 not thinking,

00:05:55.360 is this this side

00:05:56.660 or that side?

00:05:57.380 Just I was scared.

00:05:58.600 I was nervous

00:05:59.080 watching these press conferences

00:06:00.400 taking place.

00:06:01.380 And that evolved

00:06:02.680 into where I saw

00:06:04.040 what was needed

00:06:04.620 was a new media

00:06:05.400 network.

00:06:05.940 And then Midas Touch

00:06:06.640 was kind of born

00:06:07.300 after January 6th, 2021,

00:06:09.620 after the insurrection.

00:06:10.480 We're like,

00:06:10.700 let's be a network.

00:06:11.800 So 2021.

00:06:12.940 So I want to go back to that

00:06:13.800 because, I mean,

00:06:14.380 now it's not only

00:06:15.200 do you get the recognition

00:06:16.160 that you've deserved

00:06:17.340 over the course

00:06:17.840 of the last few years

00:06:18.600 because more and more

00:06:19.180 people are familiar

00:06:19.880 with the network

00:06:21.000 and the work you're doing.

00:06:21.860 And you started

00:06:22.380 with your two other brothers.

00:06:24.400 Brett and Jordy.

00:06:25.300 We started this together.

00:06:27.380 They weren't involved

00:06:28.360 in politics either.

00:06:29.420 Brett was a digital editor

00:06:30.600 at the Ellen Show.

00:06:32.060 Yeah.

00:06:32.200 Jordy did marketing

00:06:33.080 for NBA

00:06:34.440 and he did campaigns

00:06:35.520 like that.

00:06:36.480 And Jordy's the youngest,

00:06:37.540 eight-year difference.

00:06:38.400 Me and Brett

00:06:38.800 are a five-year difference.

00:06:39.900 And we kind of

00:06:40.700 pooled our talents together

00:06:41.880 and said,

00:06:42.440 let's just get out something.

00:06:44.560 And so our very first video

00:06:45.960 we did was called

00:06:46.640 Trump the Snake

00:06:47.360 because, you know,

00:06:48.100 he tells that story

00:06:49.100 about, you know,

00:06:49.980 the snake

00:06:50.400 and the woman

00:06:50.840 who lets in the snake

00:06:51.780 and then the snake

00:06:52.940 ends up being...

00:06:53.580 So we used that word

00:06:54.760 and we said

00:06:55.280 Trump is the snake

00:06:56.440 that America let in

00:06:57.820 and he's harmed America.

00:06:59.100 That one took off,

00:07:00.220 got a million views

00:07:01.120 and then before you knew it

00:07:02.140 we just started doing

00:07:03.140 videos, videos, videos.

00:07:04.440 But then I was like,

00:07:05.360 if we're just showing

00:07:06.040 our videos

00:07:06.700 on TV networks,

00:07:08.600 we're basically renters

00:07:09.980 and they're controlling

00:07:11.460 the narrative.

00:07:12.260 And I said,

00:07:12.920 that's a big problem.

00:07:13.780 So we've got to develop

00:07:14.720 our own network

00:07:15.560 because we started to see

00:07:16.980 then how they were

00:07:17.740 both sides in the issues

00:07:18.860 and it was clear to me

00:07:19.560 that was the problem.

00:07:20.640 So now you have,

00:07:21.560 and there's different ways

00:07:22.960 of measuring it

00:07:23.820 but I mean,

00:07:24.480 you have more downloads

00:07:25.280 than Joe Rogan experience.

00:07:27.100 Yeah, so on audio

00:07:28.020 more downloads than Rogan

00:07:29.680 by like a significant amount too.

00:07:32.260 Incredible.

00:07:32.820 And then on the video side

00:07:34.980 more views than Fox.

00:07:36.980 So we do about,

00:07:38.240 on YouTube,

00:07:38.840 350 million views a month,

00:07:42.040 375 million views on Facebook

00:07:44.560 and then across the platforms,

00:07:46.580 you know,

00:07:46.800 we're big across all of those.

00:07:48.780 And then Joe Rogan

00:07:49.680 and I go head to head

00:07:50.540 on the YouTube charts

00:07:51.620 of who's one

00:07:52.320 and who's two

00:07:53.440 and different weeks

00:07:54.300 we kind of exchange

00:07:55.340 one and two.

00:07:56.020 So I mean,

00:07:56.540 when you're sitting there

00:07:57.480 with your brother,

00:07:58.000 I mean,

00:07:58.160 you do the first

00:07:58.760 Trump is the snake.

00:07:59.740 I mean,

00:07:59.940 was there the aspiration

00:08:01.580 to sort of begin

00:08:03.440 to dominate this space

00:08:04.740 or was there a desire

00:08:05.980 to be sort of the counter

00:08:07.960 to a lot of the more conservative

00:08:10.100 to right wing podcasting

00:08:11.940 that was out there

00:08:12.700 and the sort of

00:08:13.240 quote unquote manosphere?

00:08:14.520 I mean,

00:08:14.680 what was,

00:08:15.260 or was it just literally

00:08:16.120 just your own express grievance

00:08:17.560 and frustration

00:08:18.200 and you just wanted to share

00:08:19.200 it with the world?

00:08:19.660 Express Grievance

00:08:20.680 and Frustration

00:08:21.360 is where it started.

00:08:22.220 Never had an ambition

00:08:23.120 of building a network

00:08:24.300 but what was clear

00:08:25.800 is that what we were doing

00:08:27.280 started connecting

00:08:28.220 with people

00:08:29.280 in a way

00:08:29.760 that I was like,

00:08:30.840 wow,

00:08:31.100 this actually made a difference

00:08:32.480 and this doesn't exist.

00:08:34.400 And it kind of shocked me

00:08:35.780 that this didn't exist before

00:08:38.000 and I kind of pinched myself.

00:08:39.540 I'm like,

00:08:39.920 why is it

00:08:40.880 that me and my two younger brothers,

00:08:43.120 that my cellist brother,

00:08:43.960 like it made no sense to me.

00:08:45.400 And then we did another one

00:08:46.480 and it started

00:08:46.980 to connect even more.

00:08:48.060 And another one,

00:08:49.000 I said,

00:08:49.220 we may be onto something here,

00:08:51.400 you know,

00:08:51.780 and then we just kept

00:08:52.700 on building and building

00:08:53.560 and then it became clear

00:08:54.820 that we should have

00:08:55.820 a bigger ambition

00:08:56.760 and that bigger ambition

00:08:58.120 is to build

00:08:58.980 this digital media network,

00:09:01.440 an independent media network.

00:09:02.860 And so we started talking

00:09:04.560 about pro-democracy,

00:09:06.400 digital,

00:09:07.080 independent media network,

00:09:08.840 mid-2021

00:09:09.820 when nobody would,

00:09:11.120 now you hear that a lot,

00:09:12.260 independent media,

00:09:13.260 this, that.

00:09:13.740 We leaned into it right away

00:09:15.400 and then I looked on YouTube

00:09:16.860 and I saw,

00:09:17.760 okay,

00:09:18.400 Mr. Beast is crushing it.

00:09:19.860 This person's crushing it.

00:09:21.100 And I said,

00:09:21.540 what are they doing though?

00:09:22.940 And then I saw

00:09:23.680 that corporate news

00:09:24.620 was using YouTube

00:09:25.600 to dump their old

00:09:27.720 kind of content,

00:09:29.140 but they weren't using it

00:09:30.340 as the hub

00:09:31.380 of their network.

00:09:32.240 And I was like,

00:09:33.040 lots of people

00:09:33.640 are getting information

00:09:34.820 from YouTube.

00:09:35.740 Let's use YouTube

00:09:36.860 as the central place

00:09:38.580 where the network lives,

00:09:39.940 not as a repository

00:09:41.600 for just whatever

00:09:43.340 your other information is.

00:09:44.460 So from that,

00:09:45.500 it was like,

00:09:46.600 let's start doing videos

00:09:48.240 multiple times a day.

00:09:49.600 Let's cover all the news.

00:09:50.960 Let's bring on guests.

00:09:52.120 So we built up

00:09:52.960 the Midas YouTube channel.

00:09:54.340 Then we started building out

00:09:55.920 other YouTube channels,

00:09:57.460 you know,

00:09:57.780 at a Mockler.

00:09:58.640 So Mocklers are Gen Z.

00:10:00.440 Like there's no one

00:10:01.160 crushing it in the game.

00:10:02.220 Right now than Mockler.

00:10:03.620 So we helped Mockler

00:10:04.420 build his channel.

00:10:05.460 We have a legal channel

00:10:06.700 called Legal AF.

00:10:07.940 Katie Fang leaves MSNBC,

00:10:10.000 launched that channel.

00:10:11.160 We have a Tennessee

00:10:12.220 Red State channel,

00:10:13.860 Blue Dot Red State,

00:10:15.520 Tennessee Brando channel.

00:10:17.700 And so Aaron Parnas,

00:10:20.220 who's out there,

00:10:20.860 we have his channel.

00:10:22.160 So all of that's now

00:10:23.520 part of the sprawling network.

00:10:24.860 And those aren't even included.

00:10:26.060 When I give you

00:10:26.800 that 350 million view,

00:10:28.580 that's just Midas.

00:10:29.420 When I add the whole universe up

00:10:31.560 and include TikTok,

00:10:32.600 we're talking 2 billion,

00:10:34.040 3 billion views a month.

00:10:35.740 Flood the zone with the truth

00:10:37.080 while MAGA floods the zone

00:10:38.740 with disinformation

00:10:39.620 and tries to bend reality.

00:10:40.980 So I love it.

00:10:41.440 It's interesting.

00:10:42.000 So when you were sitting in there

00:10:43.320 and I want to unpack

00:10:44.920 all the different directions

00:10:46.000 you're going

00:10:46.400 and all the verticals

00:10:47.220 and how large,

00:10:48.140 I don't think people

00:10:48.640 fully understand this notion

00:10:49.740 of the network.

00:10:50.980 Midas Touch is now

00:10:51.660 just much more

00:10:52.580 than just you

00:10:53.600 and what we see you doing

00:10:54.980 every single day.

00:10:56.160 But go back to your reference

00:10:58.100 to Mr. Beast.

00:10:58.820 I mean, did you go out there

00:11:00.160 and do you sort of

00:11:00.700 look at best practices?

00:11:02.140 And as you said,

00:11:03.120 you were trying to unpack

00:11:03.940 what makes him so resident.

00:11:05.000 I mean, if you've got

00:11:05.900 anyone who has children

00:11:07.140 just knows Mr. Beast,

00:11:08.400 I mean, sort of dominant

00:11:09.280 front and center

00:11:10.160 and the consciousness

00:11:10.720 piece of people's mind.

00:11:11.780 And I'll even find myself

00:11:13.080 watching this guy

00:11:13.840 just mesmerized

00:11:15.160 by his ability

00:11:15.780 to pull all of us in

00:11:17.320 and the entertainment value

00:11:18.380 and often some educational components

00:11:20.320 and philanthropy,

00:11:21.080 obviously a big thrust.

00:11:22.480 Who else was out there

00:11:23.480 that you were sort of admiring

00:11:25.320 that you, you know,

00:11:26.400 you sort of sort of

00:11:27.060 sourced some consideration

00:11:28.380 and incorporated

00:11:29.140 into your approach?

00:11:30.320 You know, I was just looking

00:11:31.060 at all those YouTube channels

00:11:32.300 like Mr. Beast.

00:11:33.480 What was also big on YouTube

00:11:35.140 would be a lot of influencers

00:11:37.540 who would vlog

00:11:38.600 and they would show themselves

00:11:40.160 like out partying

00:11:41.500 and what they were doing.

00:11:42.820 There was a whole genre

00:11:43.860 of like,

00:11:44.580 I know this sounds immature,

00:11:45.740 like the prankster YouTubers.

00:11:47.860 And I just,

00:11:48.640 I had to,

00:11:49.040 I found some of that stuff funny,

00:11:50.420 but then it started

00:11:50.940 getting kind of fake.

00:11:52.020 Yeah.

00:11:52.220 Some of it crossed the line,

00:11:53.580 but some of it I found

00:11:54.340 in my immature humor

00:11:55.200 to be funny.

00:11:55.980 So, I mean,

00:11:56.400 I just saw what they were doing

00:11:57.560 and a lot of them

00:11:58.160 would tell you

00:11:58.740 what their YouTube strategies were.

00:12:00.580 Like Beast has so many videos

00:12:02.480 where he goes,

00:12:03.280 here's how I do it.

00:12:04.660 And I would watch those

00:12:05.880 as we were building

00:12:06.960 Midas Touch

00:12:07.540 and he would talk about

00:12:08.340 what the thumbnail

00:12:09.260 needs to look like.

00:12:11.200 Why in my videos

00:12:12.600 when I interview you,

00:12:13.800 for example,

00:12:14.160 I get into it right away.

00:12:15.440 There's no long lead up.

00:12:16.820 I throw it to you.

00:12:17.860 You have to get

00:12:18.600 the audience's attention

00:12:19.500 with your top question,

00:12:21.080 not hide the ball.

00:12:22.220 On YouTube,

00:12:22.920 you don't do long intro music

00:12:25.340 because if you do

00:12:26.220 a long intro music,

00:12:27.340 the audience is like,

00:12:27.960 all right,

00:12:28.160 I don't have that attention span.

00:12:29.840 You know,

00:12:30.160 just get into it.

00:12:30.960 Tell me why I care about this

00:12:32.560 to begin with.

00:12:33.420 So you take those best practices

00:12:35.200 and you focus on news.

00:12:37.700 And for us,

00:12:38.520 it was being unapologetically

00:12:39.980 pro-democracy

00:12:40.920 and not in the sense of

00:12:42.760 I support Democrats.

00:12:44.880 It's I support human beings.

00:12:46.620 And what I found

00:12:48.600 the biggest thing was

00:12:49.600 in being successful

00:12:50.740 on YouTube,

00:12:51.120 I read the comments.

00:12:52.300 I listen to what

00:12:53.960 my audience is saying.

00:12:55.440 I think listening

00:12:56.500 is the key.

00:12:57.400 And I think so much

00:12:59.100 corporate news

00:12:59.920 took for granted

00:13:00.940 their audience.

00:13:02.160 They were spoiled.

00:13:03.120 They controlled the pipes

00:13:04.620 of how,

00:13:05.700 you know,

00:13:06.880 media is distributed

00:13:08.040 and delivered.

00:13:08.560 So they just took for granted

00:13:09.900 that everybody

00:13:10.460 was going to watch

00:13:11.240 their stuff.

00:13:11.960 But people were getting

00:13:13.000 frustrated on what

00:13:13.880 they were watching,

00:13:14.760 the bold sides,

00:13:15.820 the propping up of Trump,

00:13:17.380 normalizing his behavior.

00:13:19.000 And what we did

00:13:19.940 is we took a step back.

00:13:20.920 We listened to what

00:13:21.820 people were saying,

00:13:23.040 understanding their struggles.

00:13:24.640 And they'll tell you

00:13:25.460 if you listen

00:13:26.000 that they feel

00:13:26.860 psychologically tortured

00:13:28.060 right now,

00:13:28.580 living paycheck to paycheck.

00:13:30.040 They'll explain to you

00:13:31.040 what it really means

00:13:31.920 to lose health care.

00:13:33.140 They'll explain to you

00:13:34.000 what it means

00:13:34.540 when they see

00:13:35.120 billionaires getting richer

00:13:36.700 and private jet tax

00:13:38.440 exemptions

00:13:39.140 while 42 million people

00:13:40.860 are going to lose

00:13:41.400 their step.

00:13:41.920 And they'll tell you that.

00:13:43.380 And so you need to

00:13:44.660 listen to that

00:13:45.560 and fight for them

00:13:46.480 authentically

00:13:47.120 and be there for them.

00:13:48.480 And we built a network

00:13:49.520 around that premise.

00:13:50.560 Now, my views

00:13:51.400 tend to align

00:13:52.520 with people like you

00:13:53.740 because you're fighting

00:13:54.420 for people.

00:13:55.120 But it's not a foregone

00:13:56.220 conclusion when I start

00:13:57.460 this network

00:13:58.140 that I'm some

00:14:00.020 democratic influencer

00:14:01.300 or I'm pushing

00:14:02.240 a democratic agenda.

00:14:03.780 I'm pushing an agenda

00:14:04.900 that fights for the people.

00:14:06.600 And that's been

00:14:07.460 the secret.

00:14:08.440 And we've grown

00:14:09.380 with the community.

00:14:10.520 Mr. Beast grows

00:14:11.340 because he's got

00:14:11.840 that community.

00:14:12.800 We have what's called

00:14:13.780 the Midas Mighty.

00:14:14.840 And the Midas Mighty,

00:14:16.020 whether we're on YouTube

00:14:17.340 or Substack,

00:14:18.940 we've become one

00:14:19.500 of the top Substacks

00:14:20.400 in a very short period

00:14:21.340 of time.

00:14:21.900 They go where we go

00:14:23.420 because they trust us

00:14:24.760 and they trust us

00:14:25.800 because we care about them

00:14:26.800 and they know

00:14:27.520 phoniness

00:14:28.280 from authentic caring.

00:14:29.980 It's amazing.

00:14:30.500 When did you know?

00:14:31.160 I mean,

00:14:31.300 at what point did you guys,

00:14:32.640 your brothers,

00:14:33.140 you sat around

00:14:33.740 and you finished the day

00:14:35.200 and then someone said,

00:14:36.080 hey, boys,

00:14:37.440 take a look.

00:14:38.280 Look at these numbers.

00:14:38.940 And you're like,

00:14:40.020 damn, you know,

00:14:41.180 I'm out there

00:14:41.760 hustling for clients.

00:14:42.820 I'm representing

00:14:43.380 some iconic clients

00:14:45.120 like Colin Kaepernick,

00:14:46.080 et cetera.

00:14:47.140 You know,

00:14:47.620 that's my day job.

00:14:48.720 We're just having some fun

00:14:49.680 doing something that's important,

00:14:51.100 expressing our point of view,

00:14:52.260 putting people first,

00:14:53.200 as you say,

00:14:54.020 listening to folks,

00:14:54.880 absorbing it.

00:14:55.260 But when do you know?

00:14:56.420 Well, we're on to something.

00:14:57.780 2023,

00:14:58.660 I phase out my law practice

00:15:00.200 and I say,

00:15:01.160 I've got to do this full time.

00:15:04.360 And so you're doing this,

00:15:05.200 you're not doing the law anymore,

00:15:06.380 huh?

00:15:06.440 Not doing that anymore.

00:15:07.440 Wow.

00:15:07.880 We have a legal channel

00:15:09.140 where we elevate,

00:15:10.640 you know,

00:15:10.940 some of the top legal voices.

00:15:12.840 You know,

00:15:13.020 everybody from,

00:15:13.920 you know,

00:15:14.160 Michael Popak leads it.

00:15:15.780 Karen Friedman Agnifolo

00:15:16.860 is a well-known lawyer in New York,

00:15:18.500 former top lawyer there.

00:15:19.600 We've got a lot of people

00:15:20.560 who give the top commentary,

00:15:22.260 but I'm not like representing people

00:15:24.160 day to day anymore.

00:15:25.540 And now full time,

00:15:26.540 I mean,

00:15:26.720 you know,

00:15:26.900 the network's pretty big,

00:15:28.000 right?

00:15:28.360 So we've got probably nine channels

00:15:31.180 that are under the kind of

00:15:33.160 Midas mothership.

00:15:35.020 We've got people across the country

00:15:37.380 and the world,

00:15:38.820 you know,

00:15:39.060 like we'll have someone named

00:15:40.280 Ken Harborough,

00:15:41.100 a veteran.

00:15:41.660 He'll be in Kiev

00:15:43.000 or he'll be on the front lines.

00:15:44.660 So you're going globally?

00:15:45.540 Global.

00:15:46.060 Wow.

00:15:46.280 And we started Midas Canada

00:15:47.640 with a guy named Charlie Angus.

00:15:49.640 We're really big in Canada.

00:15:50.480 Because we're about to be

00:15:51.180 the 51st state.

00:15:52.180 Is that it or what?

00:15:53.100 You just saw that coming?

00:15:55.100 Well,

00:15:55.360 we were an important voice

00:15:57.660 fighting on behalf of Canada

00:16:00.580 right after the election.

00:16:02.140 Yeah.

00:16:02.540 And we started bringing in guests

00:16:04.520 like Charlie Angus

00:16:05.640 who leads the resistance tour there.

00:16:08.580 And we made this incredible connection

00:16:10.820 with the people.

00:16:11.420 Also big in Australia

00:16:12.380 and a lot of other places.

00:16:13.800 But Midas Canada developed and grew.

00:16:16.320 We sell out

00:16:17.120 big auditoriums

00:16:18.700 in Canada,

00:16:20.440 conservative areas

00:16:21.380 in Northern Ontario,

00:16:22.280 mining towns.

00:16:22.940 This message resonates there.

00:16:25.340 You know,

00:16:25.500 and Canada is really

00:16:26.200 one of the front lines

00:16:27.060 internationally

00:16:27.740 in the resistance

00:16:28.460 against this authoritarianism.

00:16:30.640 Yep.

00:16:30.880 And so really big there.

00:16:32.400 But international in scope as well.

00:16:34.520 It's interesting.

00:16:35.360 And what you just referenced subtly,

00:16:37.540 I want to sort of unpack that as well.

00:16:39.160 It's this notion of being online

00:16:40.700 but also offline.

00:16:42.640 And people are showing up in line

00:16:44.500 with these large audiences.

00:16:45.920 So you're starting to actually do events

00:16:47.880 and building that out as well, huh?

00:16:49.660 Yeah, you know,

00:16:50.420 and so even think about Adam Mockler.

00:16:52.900 He's out there.

00:16:54.240 Yeah.

00:16:54.940 He was there recently

00:16:56.480 at that News Nation.

00:16:58.700 He was at kind of enemy territory there.

00:17:01.380 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:01.640 You know,

00:17:01.900 and Cuomo got all angry

00:17:03.540 and he's like,

00:17:04.220 why is Midas doing,

00:17:05.320 you know,

00:17:05.540 Cuomo went on this like

00:17:07.040 whole crazy thing with Mockler

00:17:08.300 because I think he's jealous

00:17:09.500 of Adam Mockler's

00:17:10.860 just debate skills

00:17:12.100 if I'm being totally honest.

00:17:13.480 But Mockler's out there

00:17:15.340 in those events.

00:17:16.560 We've been doing events

00:17:17.560 across the country

00:17:18.360 and that's what we're going to be adding

00:17:20.180 and kind of bolstering our presence.

00:17:22.420 But to me,

00:17:23.460 you really got to

00:17:24.620 have that authentic connection

00:17:26.360 before you go out there.

00:17:28.120 And at this point,

00:17:28.940 Midas is big enough

00:17:30.000 where I think we can make

00:17:31.520 a huge impact

00:17:32.640 on college campuses,

00:17:33.720 but just speaking to people,

00:17:35.520 shaking hands,

00:17:36.180 listening to people.

00:17:37.100 So when I started this podcast,

00:17:38.540 the first guy I had on,

00:17:39.780 controversially,

00:17:40.920 was the guy I started.

00:17:42.160 Yeah,

00:17:42.380 I mean,

00:17:42.760 it was Charlie Kirk

00:17:43.840 around Turning Point USA.

00:17:45.660 and spending time

00:17:46.740 on college campuses.

00:17:47.940 And I started to see,

00:17:48.800 speaking to people online,

00:17:50.180 saw these huge crowds,

00:17:51.560 including at USC

00:17:53.140 where just a couple days

00:17:54.180 before he was on,

00:17:55.160 the day before he was on my podcast,

00:17:57.040 he was down at USC.

00:17:58.200 And my daughter,

00:17:59.400 I mean,

00:17:59.660 my daughter,

00:18:00.080 my sister's,

00:18:01.400 my niece,

00:18:01.920 but my sister's daughter

00:18:02.760 showed me photographs

00:18:04.640 and not just the ones online.

00:18:06.380 She showed me

00:18:06.740 and it sort of surrounds it.

00:18:07.700 I'm like,

00:18:08.000 Jesus,

00:18:08.640 this is legit.

00:18:09.620 This guy's turning it out.

00:18:11.300 And so we thought

00:18:11.900 we'd turn up the volume

00:18:12.820 in terms of just

00:18:13.500 waking folks up,

00:18:14.740 particularly folks,

00:18:15.960 you know,

00:18:16.260 more progressive audience

00:18:17.500 and more democratic audience

00:18:19.020 to what these guys

00:18:20.220 are doing on the other side.

00:18:21.720 Would you consider yourself,

00:18:23.100 and I don't mean literal

00:18:24.180 in this case,

00:18:24.860 but broadly,

00:18:25.980 sort of the antidote

00:18:27.120 to the pro-democracy

00:18:28.880 set

00:18:29.820 in terms of

00:18:30.820 what's going on,

00:18:31.700 not just with Charlie Kirk,

00:18:32.620 but others in that space

00:18:34.160 and what Charlie's network

00:18:35.560 represents today,

00:18:36.700 obviously,

00:18:37.360 with his tragic death?

00:18:38.460 Yeah.

00:18:39.040 You know,

00:18:39.460 so I'm a professor at USC.

00:18:40.740 I was there on campus that day.

00:18:42.700 Forgive me.

00:18:43.040 I remember that as well.

00:18:45.320 But they're...

00:18:46.460 A law professor.

00:18:47.460 Law professor.

00:18:48.000 Yeah.

00:18:48.460 Yeah.

00:18:48.720 And I teach undergrad

00:18:49.640 and grad school.

00:18:51.020 You know,

00:18:51.280 and as you see,

00:18:52.340 people like Charlie Kirk

00:18:53.960 and that ilk,

00:18:56.320 they rapid response

00:18:58.520 and they push

00:19:00.960 a lot of disinformation

00:19:02.620 and lies

00:19:03.340 over and over again.

00:19:05.340 Yep.

00:19:05.520 And there's frankly

00:19:06.340 no tragedy

00:19:07.220 that they won't exploit.

00:19:08.980 I just got to be blunt

00:19:09.860 that sometimes

00:19:10.440 the bigger the tragedy,

00:19:11.960 a wildfire.

00:19:14.600 Been on the receiving end,

00:19:15.560 trust me,

00:19:16.280 of the vast majority of those.

00:19:17.840 But to me,

00:19:18.320 isn't that the perfect example?

00:19:19.740 Yeah.

00:19:20.100 Because I bet,

00:19:22.180 I could be wrong here,

00:19:23.360 but when you were doing

00:19:24.740 all the right things

00:19:25.760 to get the fire trucks ready,

00:19:27.780 the this ready,

00:19:28.320 the helicopter,

00:19:28.820 you positioned everything.

00:19:30.140 We pre-positioned days

00:19:31.100 before the actual

00:19:32.340 first ignition.

00:19:32.980 And you were doing what?

00:19:34.140 A governor.

00:19:34.820 Yeah.

00:19:34.980 And I don't think,

00:19:36.580 as I watched you,

00:19:37.960 I think it was a 24-hour period

00:19:40.060 where you said,

00:19:41.220 you know what?

00:19:42.720 I have to work equally hard

00:19:44.580 on the information battle

00:19:46.020 as I have to do

00:19:47.180 being the governor,

00:19:48.640 which is a crazy realization,

00:19:50.120 but that's the realization

00:19:51.020 right now.

00:19:51.340 Whereas former President Biden,

00:19:53.740 he would,

00:19:54.380 he was from a different era.

00:19:57.000 Let's work together.

00:19:58.200 Let's compromise.

00:19:59.460 Bring people together.

00:20:00.340 I'm fighting for you.

00:20:01.560 You're fighting.

00:20:02.040 He would do that.

00:20:02.880 And what they would do,

00:20:04.700 that whole right-wing ecosystem,

00:20:06.520 right?

00:20:07.780 Fire hose on.

00:20:09.040 Literally,

00:20:09.440 I mean,

00:20:09.640 with California,

00:20:10.240 they talk about a faucet

00:20:11.240 that connects California

00:20:12.980 and Canada.

00:20:14.180 You know,

00:20:14.880 which is,

00:20:15.480 you know,

00:20:15.700 obviously-

00:20:15.860 I don't even want to laugh

00:20:16.880 if it makes me nervous.

00:20:18.440 Ben,

00:20:19.120 you're 100% right.

00:20:19.960 It was such a shame.

00:20:21.400 They flooded the zone.

00:20:22.480 They dominated it.

00:20:23.000 I wish it was just 24 hours.

00:20:24.560 I mean,

00:20:24.720 they won those first few days.

00:20:26.340 And it was a communications battle

00:20:27.640 that was so asymmetric.

00:20:30.000 I wasn't totally,

00:20:31.260 as someone who's been in this,

00:20:32.540 that faced a recall,

00:20:34.040 that thought I knew

00:20:34.760 what I was doing,

00:20:35.980 that stood up

00:20:36.700 in one of the largest media markets

00:20:38.060 in the world,

00:20:38.700 California,

00:20:39.260 in terms of the size,

00:20:40.060 scope,

00:20:40.280 and scale

00:20:40.680 of some of the biggest media

00:20:42.100 conglomerates

00:20:43.100 that operate out of here

00:20:44.080 and communication specialists,

00:20:45.800 was not prepared

00:20:46.880 for what they were able to do.

00:20:48.620 And it was a combination

00:20:49.460 of President-elect Donald Trump.

00:20:52.160 It was combined

00:20:53.300 with the weaponization

00:20:54.640 of grievance

00:20:55.300 that was coming

00:20:56.000 from these surround sound networks

00:20:57.420 and the propaganda networks.

00:20:58.640 And then Elon Musk piling on.

00:21:01.140 And it was a wake-up call.

00:21:03.760 A big-time wake-up call.

00:21:05.440 That's the antidote

00:21:06.360 where you have to say,

00:21:07.500 I see what they're doing,

00:21:08.840 so I have to flood the zone

00:21:10.760 with truth,

00:21:11.580 and I have to be powerful with it.

00:21:14.060 Like, I have to be strong.

00:21:15.460 And I have to let people know

00:21:16.940 I'm fighting for you

00:21:18.320 because they're wrong and strong,

00:21:21.100 and we have to be powerful

00:21:22.760 and right and truth.

00:21:23.040 And where we can write, mostly.

00:21:24.500 I don't want to be pejorative.

00:21:25.740 I mean, our presumption

00:21:26.860 is that we're always right.

00:21:27.680 But look,

00:21:28.320 they are certainly strong and wrong.

00:21:30.520 But we're trying to be right,

00:21:32.560 trying to, you know,

00:21:33.380 win a debate or something.

00:21:34.620 These guys are playing

00:21:35.340 by a different set of rules.

00:21:36.500 I'll say this,

00:21:36.560 and you've said this before,

00:21:37.720 that Trump is weakness

00:21:39.140 masquerading as strength.

00:21:41.000 And it's important

00:21:41.580 that we stand up to him.

00:21:42.520 I mean, look,

00:21:43.140 when he talks about

00:21:44.240 building a ballroom right now

00:21:46.280 while Americans are suffering,

00:21:47.480 while they've destroyed

00:21:48.360 the East Wing of the White House,

00:21:49.800 I think also you have

00:21:50.760 to take a step back

00:21:51.660 and you have to mock the behavior.

00:21:53.140 Yes, it's so dangerous,

00:21:54.740 but also it's like,

00:21:56.600 when you grew up, Governor,

00:21:58.680 where you're like,

00:21:59.720 I want to build

00:22:00.440 a beautiful ballroom

00:22:01.740 where there's going to be

00:22:02.680 beautiful gowns

00:22:03.700 and people just,

00:22:04.440 it's like,

00:22:04.780 what are you even,

00:22:05.340 you want a ballroom?

00:22:06.280 Yeah.

00:22:06.480 Like, what the hell

00:22:06.940 are you even talking about?

00:22:07.740 He wants a Kremlin ballroom.

00:22:09.720 Because Putin has one.

00:22:11.380 Yeah.

00:22:11.600 No, I mean,

00:22:12.040 that's why we were putting up

00:22:13.400 those memes with Marie Antoinette.

00:22:15.200 I mean,

00:22:15.420 it's really extraordinary.

00:22:16.500 I mean,

00:22:16.620 at a time when the government's

00:22:18.280 shutting down,

00:22:18.780 we're cutting food stamps,

00:22:19.880 California,

00:22:20.560 5 million people

00:22:21.960 are going to lose access

00:22:23.160 to SNAP benefits

00:22:24.080 in literally a matter of days.

00:22:25.640 And this guy,

00:22:26.340 we saw the desecration

00:22:27.900 of history.

00:22:28.960 It wasn't,

00:22:29.260 it's not a house.

00:22:29.980 It's what that house represents.

00:22:31.440 And he did it intentionally.

00:22:32.740 It was to bulldoze,

00:22:34.920 you know,

00:22:35.200 it was a way of expressing

00:22:36.460 his power

00:22:37.260 that he doesn't play

00:22:39.240 by the same set of rules.

00:22:40.380 It wasn't just

00:22:41.000 the physical manifestation

00:22:42.160 of the wrecking ball.

00:22:43.200 It's sort of the wrecking ball

00:22:44.020 that represents

00:22:45.140 his power,

00:22:46.120 his dominance,

00:22:47.180 his aggression,

00:22:48.000 his authority over

00:22:50.000 doing things to us,

00:22:51.500 not with us,

00:22:52.260 for us.

00:22:53.160 And it really is an expression,

00:22:55.140 I think,

00:22:55.340 of the moment we're in.

00:22:56.200 And so this notion

00:22:57.160 of communication,

00:22:58.480 of his ability

00:22:59.280 to flood the zone,

00:23:00.460 of their ability

00:23:01.160 to shape shift,

00:23:02.400 of their,

00:23:02.740 where illusion rules,

00:23:03.860 facts don't matter,

00:23:04.900 you dominate the narrative

00:23:05.980 and that's how you

00:23:07.120 ultimately move policy

00:23:08.760 and win hearts

00:23:10.240 and minds

00:23:10.580 and debate.

00:23:11.020 I mean,

00:23:11.920 so this is something

00:23:13.000 you fundamentally

00:23:13.980 recognized early.

00:23:16.300 And you mentioned

00:23:18.000 that you're posting

00:23:18.840 constantly.

00:23:19.760 You're not just doing

00:23:20.320 one half hour

00:23:21.440 little YouTube channel

00:23:22.700 and putting it up.

00:23:23.680 I mean,

00:23:23.940 tell us a little bit more

00:23:25.100 about what you're doing

00:23:26.420 in that respect

00:23:27.820 on a consistent basis.

00:23:28.940 So the programming

00:23:29.760 starts 4 a.m. every morning

00:23:31.440 and there's a 4 a.m.,

00:23:33.260 a 5.30,

00:23:34.140 a 7,

00:23:34.740 an 8.30,

00:23:35.460 then every 90 minutes

00:23:36.680 there's a 15 to 20 minute video.

00:23:39.720 Usually by me,

00:23:41.340 I'm like 70% of it.

00:23:43.680 But look,

00:23:44.080 if you did a three-hour podcast

00:23:45.180 and you broke it up

00:23:46.060 into multiple minis,

00:23:47.240 you know.

00:23:47.460 I'm not starting at 4

00:23:48.360 in the morning, brother.

00:23:49.280 Well,

00:23:49.620 I do those videos

00:23:50.640 in the evening.

00:23:51.300 Oh, good.

00:23:51.980 I do them before

00:23:52.940 to the chagrin of my wife

00:23:54.440 and my little baby.

00:23:55.380 I do some of those at night.

00:23:56.660 But then we do those all day.

00:23:58.320 Then we have contributors

00:23:59.580 come in

00:24:00.200 and fill certain gaps

00:24:01.360 as well on that network.

00:24:03.420 Then we'll launch

00:24:04.140 two or three live shows

00:24:05.440 every day

00:24:06.060 at a predictable time.

00:24:07.780 But it's predictable,

00:24:09.180 it's reliable,

00:24:10.140 people start to know,

00:24:11.520 okay,

00:24:11.740 I show up at the four,

00:24:13.040 I get Ben.

00:24:13.680 I show up at the noon,

00:24:15.040 I get this person.

00:24:17.000 And, you know,

00:24:17.680 we focus on domestic issues,

00:24:19.220 but we also focus

00:24:20.120 on international issues

00:24:21.660 as I talked about

00:24:22.460 with Canada

00:24:22.980 that other people

00:24:24.160 aren't really focused on.

00:24:25.740 So, you know,

00:24:26.540 I've been focusing a lot

00:24:27.700 on these fake trade deals

00:24:29.680 that Donald Trump's doing.

00:24:30.880 What do you mean

00:24:31.260 fake trade deals?

00:24:32.140 He's signed

00:24:32.840 some of the most

00:24:33.500 consequential trade deals

00:24:34.680 of our lifetimes.

00:24:35.880 How many have been signed, Ben?

00:24:37.020 Actually, zero have been, right?

00:24:38.680 Zero have been signed.

00:24:39.760 Yes.

00:24:40.140 But it's,

00:24:41.140 so remember they did

00:24:41.820 90 deals in 90 days.

00:24:43.200 Yeah, I remember that.

00:24:43.680 They did six or seven

00:24:44.880 fake deals in 90 days.

00:24:47.020 But just think about it,

00:24:47.940 as you watch financial media

00:24:49.340 talk about this

00:24:50.140 or corporate media,

00:24:51.680 they just ignore

00:24:52.360 the 90 deals in 90 days.

00:24:53.960 And then they pretend

00:24:54.920 that he's done

00:24:55.900 six or seven deals

00:24:57.680 when we know he has-

00:24:59.000 A great deal maker.

00:24:59.500 He's just a deal maker.

00:25:00.340 That's all he wants.

00:25:00.980 He wants a good deal

00:25:01.680 for the American people.

00:25:02.760 And so here's the thing.

00:25:03.760 We know trade deals

00:25:05.080 are very long agreements,

00:25:07.560 usually thousands of pages,

00:25:09.420 very meticulously negotiated.

00:25:12.360 And let's just start

00:25:13.440 at the most basics

00:25:14.120 because I'm a law professor.

00:25:16.040 So deals have to be signed, right?

00:25:18.660 They're usually,

00:25:19.140 and they have to be binding.

00:25:20.720 Like let's start

00:25:21.420 with the concept of

00:25:22.460 did country A sign it

00:25:24.180 and did the United States sign it?

00:25:25.700 In this case, none of-

00:25:26.920 I'm smiling just because,

00:25:28.460 I mean,

00:25:28.700 it's sort of a basic principle.

00:25:30.440 None of these are signed

00:25:31.200 and they're just press releases.

00:25:32.420 Yeah.

00:25:32.520 Or when he goes around

00:25:34.040 and says,

00:25:34.700 I brought in $17 trillion

00:25:37.640 and it sits on a tariff sheet.

00:25:39.520 By the way,

00:25:39.820 it's gone up beyond now 17.

00:25:41.580 I think he's,

00:25:42.380 yeah,

00:25:42.520 he's now using 20.

00:25:43.960 He's 20.

00:25:44.860 But think about it though.

00:25:45.960 So if you've brought in

00:25:47.160 $17 trillion,

00:25:49.180 Yeah, amazing.

00:25:49.900 then why can't we fund

00:25:51.800 supplemental nutrition

00:25:53.140 assistance programs, right?

00:25:54.540 Why can't we deal with

00:25:56.320 extending the Affordable Care Act subsidies?

00:25:58.760 So what we also,

00:25:59.740 I think,

00:25:59.940 do with our coverage

00:26:00.720 that's smart is

00:26:02.260 we don't just say,

00:26:02.980 ah, he's stupid.

00:26:03.840 He's an idiot.

00:26:04.500 Stupid, he's making it up.

00:26:05.500 You also make the point.

00:26:06.540 We harness the number

00:26:08.300 and say,

00:26:09.100 okay, sure.

00:26:10.200 $17 trillion.

00:26:10.800 Take him at his word.

00:26:11.520 So the biggest Ponzi scheme

00:26:13.720 in history,

00:26:14.500 Bernie Madoff,

00:26:15.300 $65 billion.

00:26:16.620 So you're engaged

00:26:17.580 in a $17 trillion

00:26:18.920 Ponzi scheme right now,

00:26:21.120 screwing over the farmers

00:26:22.280 and the American people.

00:26:23.400 And it's just not,

00:26:24.980 the way I'm describing it

00:26:26.480 is not people's experience

00:26:28.300 watching corporate news.

00:26:29.880 And so our entire framework

00:26:32.340 of how we hit these issues,

00:26:34.100 but it aligns

00:26:35.780 with how people feel.

00:26:37.400 And the reaction I get

00:26:38.540 most frequently is,

00:26:39.560 that's how I feel.

00:26:40.860 I thought I was crazy

00:26:42.460 and finally someone's saying it.

00:26:45.140 And it's because

00:26:45.920 we're listening to them,

00:26:47.080 but also it's because

00:26:48.520 we're not coming at it

00:26:50.020 from this is a job.

00:26:51.600 Like I'm not,

00:26:52.260 I don't wake up and go,

00:26:53.180 oh, I'm doing this

00:26:54.240 and this is how I make money.

00:26:55.620 And I go,

00:26:56.720 this is life or death.

00:26:58.380 I love that.

00:26:59.240 And I think they sense that

00:27:00.780 and they see that.

00:27:01.660 I love it.

00:27:02.100 I mean,

00:27:02.280 just this fundamental notion

00:27:03.460 of pro-democracy

00:27:04.300 and the fact that you were

00:27:05.120 years ahead of that

00:27:06.380 and understanding.

00:27:07.220 I mean,

00:27:07.420 we saw democracy

00:27:08.220 lit on fire

00:27:09.180 after January 6th.

00:27:10.100 To your point,

00:27:11.120 I mean,

00:27:11.280 what more evidence

00:27:11.820 to try to wreck this country,

00:27:13.240 try to dial up for votes.

00:27:14.820 And so you,

00:27:15.660 I mean,

00:27:15.940 you saw that evidence,

00:27:16.840 you did something about it.

00:27:17.820 But I think folks

00:27:18.660 are now finally waking up

00:27:20.000 to this fundamental notion

00:27:21.020 of a republic,

00:27:21.960 a democracy,

00:27:22.780 what it means,

00:27:23.680 what it is

00:27:24.260 and what it could,

00:27:24.940 you know,

00:27:25.140 might likely be

00:27:26.100 if we don't stand up

00:27:27.540 at the moment.

00:27:28.080 But I love the fact

00:27:29.260 that you're able

00:27:29.720 to shapeshift a narrative

00:27:31.320 that just isn't

00:27:31.980 the back and forth

00:27:32.880 where you have a Scott Jennings

00:27:33.880 on CNN or something

00:27:34.920 and you're saying one thing

00:27:36.180 and a response

00:27:36.920 and then sort of a,

00:27:37.700 you know,

00:27:38.160 sort of a catcall

00:27:38.840 of stress and anxiety

00:27:40.440 and you just,

00:27:41.400 you know,

00:27:41.560 I mean,

00:27:41.840 you want to start screaming

00:27:42.820 or yelling

00:27:43.220 or throw something

00:27:43.860 at the TV,

00:27:44.560 but you're able

00:27:45.200 to unpack it

00:27:45.840 and bring it

00:27:46.240 into someone's,

00:27:47.240 you know,

00:27:47.800 create a sort of

00:27:48.660 narrative that connects

00:27:49.460 to how,

00:27:50.580 not only you're feeling,

00:27:51.340 but what you're experiencing.

00:27:52.540 Here we go.

00:27:55.240 Hey,

00:27:55.760 I'm Cal Penn

00:27:56.420 and on my new podcast,

00:27:58.020 Here We Go Again,

00:27:58.920 we'll take today's trends

00:28:00.240 and headlines

00:28:01.040 and ask,

00:28:02.260 why does history

00:28:02.960 keep repeating itself?

00:28:04.820 You may know me

00:28:05.600 as the second hottest actor

00:28:07.220 from the Harold and Kumar movies,

00:28:08.780 but I'm also an author,

00:28:10.320 a White House staffer

00:28:11.320 and as of like 15 seconds ago,

00:28:13.180 a podcast host.

00:28:14.860 Along the way,

00:28:15.500 I've made some friends

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00:28:18.540 politics,

00:28:19.040 and pop culture.

00:28:20.340 And each week,

00:28:21.060 one of them will be joining me

00:28:22.400 to answer my burning questions.

00:28:24.620 Like,

00:28:25.180 are we heading towards

00:28:26.080 another financial crash

00:28:27.180 like in 08?

00:28:28.460 Is non-monogamy back in style?

00:28:30.440 And how come there's never

00:28:31.400 a gate ready for your flight

00:28:32.820 when it lands like

00:28:33.640 two minutes early?

00:28:35.060 We've got guests

00:28:36.060 like Pete Buttigieg,

00:28:37.400 Stacey Abrams,

00:28:38.480 Lili Singh,

00:28:39.320 and Bill Nye.

00:28:40.100 When you start weaponizing

00:28:41.580 outer space,

00:28:43.000 things can potentially

00:28:44.260 go really wrong.

00:28:45.920 Look,

00:28:46.240 the world can seem

00:28:47.060 pretty scary right now

00:28:48.260 because it is.

00:28:49.500 But my goal here

00:28:50.400 is for you to listen

00:28:51.640 and feel a little better

00:28:53.060 about the future.

00:28:54.160 Listen and subscribe

00:28:54.940 to Here We Go Again

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00:29:02.920 The Crying Wolf Podcast

00:29:04.620 is the story

00:29:05.820 of two men

00:29:06.680 bound by injustice,

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00:29:11.380 and the quest

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00:29:13.620 no matter the price.

00:29:14.980 White victim,

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00:29:22.620 a black man behind bars

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00:29:26.840 I got 90 years

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00:29:30.900 He says the police

00:29:31.920 are his friends,

00:29:32.660 and then that's it.

00:29:33.960 They turn on him.

00:29:35.220 A corrupt detective.

00:29:36.540 How he was interrogated

00:29:37.440 the techniques.

00:29:38.240 That's crazy.

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00:29:41.120 They got the wrong guy.

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00:29:52.440 If you're with me,

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00:29:56.480 You suck with me for life.

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00:30:10.480 The forces shaping

00:30:11.660 the world's economies

00:30:12.560 and financial markets

00:30:13.680 can be hard to spot.

00:30:14.960 Even though they are

00:30:15.940 such a powerful player

00:30:17.060 in finance,

00:30:18.240 you wouldn't really know

00:30:19.540 that you are

00:30:20.260 interacting with them.

00:30:21.420 And even harder

00:30:22.480 to understand.

00:30:23.780 Donald Trump's

00:30:24.620 trade war 2.0

00:30:26.300 is only accelerating

00:30:28.080 the process

00:30:29.120 of de-dollarization,

00:30:30.540 which in a way

00:30:30.960 is jargon for people

00:30:32.300 turning away

00:30:33.060 from the dollar.

00:30:34.060 That is where

00:30:34.680 the big take

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00:30:36.080 comes in,

00:30:37.080 to connect the dots.

00:30:38.280 How unusual

00:30:39.140 is a deal like this?

00:30:40.760 Unprecedented.

00:30:41.740 Every weekday afternoon,

00:30:43.100 we dive deep

00:30:43.880 into one big

00:30:44.900 global business story.

00:30:46.380 The biggest story

00:30:47.280 of the reaction

00:30:48.080 of the oil market

00:30:48.980 to the conflict

00:30:50.120 in the Middle East

00:30:51.000 is one of what

00:30:51.860 has not happened.

00:30:53.300 Katie, you told me

00:30:54.060 that ETFs

00:30:55.240 are your favorite thing.

00:30:56.400 They are.

00:30:57.300 Explain that.

00:30:57.920 Why is that the case?

00:30:59.140 And unpack

00:30:59.880 what it means for you.

00:31:01.160 Our breakfast foods

00:31:02.240 are consistent

00:31:03.140 consumer staples,

00:31:04.280 and so they sort of

00:31:05.340 become outsized

00:31:06.400 indicators of inflation.

00:31:08.780 Listen to the big take

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00:31:34.120 And we're just gonna be

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00:31:36.300 Also in October,

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00:31:41.320 why black people

00:31:42.080 always gotta die first.

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00:32:12.460 Listen to the Trap Nurse

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00:32:19.040 I've never done

00:32:20.120 a live recording

00:32:21.400 before.

00:32:22.440 Podcasts,

00:32:22.980 I've just never done it.

00:32:25.120 This week on the

00:32:26.000 Bright Side,

00:32:26.660 Chrissy Teigen

00:32:27.280 like you've never

00:32:28.440 heard it before.

00:32:29.580 I think I showed

00:32:30.400 the messiness of life

00:32:31.540 like even before kids.

00:32:32.840 So like it was

00:32:33.360 kind of a natural thing

00:32:34.580 just to show

00:32:35.260 every part of it

00:32:36.360 after kids too.

00:32:37.960 From viral moments

00:32:38.920 to real life motherhood,

00:32:40.540 Chrissy opens up

00:32:41.260 about what it means

00:32:42.080 to live life out loud

00:32:43.500 even when it's hard.

00:32:45.180 When Miles was diagnosed

00:32:46.480 with type 1 diabetes,

00:32:48.000 I remember feeling like,

00:32:50.700 okay, I want to get this

00:32:51.760 right for everybody

00:32:52.720 that's depending on us.

00:32:54.280 Chrissy talks about

00:32:55.060 turning fear

00:32:55.860 into advocacy,

00:32:57.280 building community,

00:32:58.520 and finding joy

00:32:59.540 in a very full house.

00:33:00.960 I had four kids

00:33:02.240 for a reason.

00:33:03.220 I love the chaos of it.

00:33:05.260 This live conversation

00:33:06.360 is raw,

00:33:07.640 funny,

00:33:08.120 and full of heart.

00:33:10.000 Don't miss it.

00:33:11.140 Listen to the Bright Side

00:33:12.020 on the iHeartRadio app,

00:33:13.480 Apple Podcasts,

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00:33:15.320 your podcasts.

00:33:15.980 I want to go back

00:33:20.940 to just what you just said

00:33:21.780 on as it relates

00:33:22.300 to the farmers.

00:33:23.320 I mean,

00:33:23.600 this to me

00:33:24.040 is one of the most

00:33:24.720 extraordinary stories.

00:33:25.980 This notion of the rural farmer,

00:33:27.780 this notion of the person

00:33:28.560 that's the poor soul

00:33:29.740 out there working

00:33:30.520 family farm,

00:33:31.720 doing soybeans,

00:33:33.080 just want fair,

00:33:33.960 free markets,

00:33:34.720 and all of a sudden

00:33:35.280 this guy comes in

00:33:36.300 with a wrecking ball,

00:33:37.100 not at the White House,

00:33:37.860 East Wing in this case,

00:33:38.960 but as it relates

00:33:39.560 to these tariffs

00:33:40.260 and the retaliation overseas

00:33:42.440 and the impact

00:33:44.500 that's had

00:33:45.140 on their family,

00:33:46.860 their farms,

00:33:47.460 their communities.

00:33:48.180 Same thing with beef

00:33:48.980 and beef prices.

00:33:50.240 Watch what he's doing

00:33:51.040 to try to supplement

00:33:51.900 in Argentina

00:33:54.560 these mistakes,

00:33:55.640 what he's going to try

00:33:56.180 to do with President Xi

00:33:57.220 as it relates

00:33:57.880 to covering up

00:33:58.500 those mistakes,

00:33:59.260 as it relates

00:33:59.720 to trying to

00:34:00.960 course-correct

00:34:02.600 away from what's happening

00:34:04.740 in Central America

00:34:05.500 or South America.

00:34:06.780 I mean,

00:34:07.160 unpack some of this

00:34:08.340 from your perspective

00:34:09.540 and bring it in

00:34:10.740 to sort of

00:34:11.120 how you would present

00:34:12.260 the argument

00:34:13.140 to your viewers.

00:34:13.920 So how is it,

00:34:15.520 though,

00:34:15.880 that these farmers

00:34:17.080 voted for him

00:34:18.660 by nothing?

00:34:20.040 And there's that question.

00:34:21.220 But it's because

00:34:22.860 he senses

00:34:24.660 their vulnerabilities

00:34:25.780 and he sees

00:34:28.280 their weaknesses

00:34:29.200 and their struggles

00:34:30.120 and then he lies

00:34:31.420 to them

00:34:31.880 like a con artist

00:34:32.860 and a Ponzi schemer.

00:34:34.180 It's a skill

00:34:35.500 where he can see it.

00:34:37.240 And what Democrats

00:34:38.500 don't ever do

00:34:39.600 is sometimes

00:34:40.740 it's simple

00:34:41.400 but it's important.

00:34:42.260 which is you look

00:34:42.920 at the camera

00:34:43.520 and you have to truly

00:34:44.800 feel this way

00:34:45.600 but you say,

00:34:46.540 I care about you.

00:34:47.720 I hear you

00:34:48.820 and I feel your pain

00:34:50.720 and I'm going to be there

00:34:52.180 and I'm going to fight

00:34:53.080 for you.

00:34:53.660 I hear what you're

00:34:54.520 going through.

00:34:55.500 I haven't heard

00:34:56.520 a lot of,

00:34:57.200 you say it now,

00:34:58.300 I hear you say it a lot

00:34:59.460 but you don't hear

00:35:00.240 that a lot

00:35:01.060 and what he'll do.

00:35:02.680 That's sort of

00:35:02.960 Clinton-esque quality.

00:35:05.440 Democrats just assume

00:35:06.720 that I...

00:35:07.760 If you were laid off,

00:35:08.520 I probably knew you

00:35:09.780 in Arkansas.

00:35:10.920 Exactly.

00:35:11.640 And there was a way

00:35:12.460 it's all of a sudden

00:35:13.060 you're like,

00:35:13.400 my God,

00:35:13.880 he probably didn't know me.

00:35:14.940 He sees me.

00:35:15.820 And why is it that

00:35:17.000 you see groups

00:35:18.120 of union workers

00:35:18.940 when Trump's whole thing

00:35:20.000 is destroy unions?

00:35:21.420 Literally,

00:35:22.040 it's I'm going to destroy you

00:35:23.020 or workers that,

00:35:24.360 you know,

00:35:24.540 but he goes there

00:35:25.500 with a pizza,

00:35:26.920 usually cold.

00:35:28.040 He takes the photos

00:35:29.020 with them,

00:35:29.980 you know,

00:35:30.420 and people are like,

00:35:31.940 oh,

00:35:32.120 maybe he cares about it.

00:35:33.560 I mean,

00:35:33.700 hell,

00:35:33.880 this guy shows up

00:35:34.500 at McDonald's

00:35:35.100 where 20 states

00:35:35.780 are still giving people

00:35:36.880 $7.25

00:35:38.280 and ending up

00:35:39.380 on food stamps

00:35:40.120 that he's cutting

00:35:40.640 as a consequence,

00:35:41.600 ending up on Obamacare,

00:35:42.980 which he has no problem

00:35:43.760 doubling and tripling

00:35:44.580 in those states

00:35:45.900 and their people

00:35:46.660 are buying this bullshit.

00:35:48.300 You know,

00:35:48.960 it's a very complex times

00:35:50.560 and he gives them

00:35:51.420 a very easy answer.

00:35:52.780 It's the immigrants,

00:35:54.060 it's the other,

00:35:55.220 it's transgender people

00:35:56.700 and this is why

00:35:58.200 and we need to be angry

00:35:59.460 and I'm going to

00:36:00.120 make this better

00:36:00.840 and I care about you.

00:36:02.500 Let's do it.

00:36:03.680 And actually,

00:36:04.760 he's the reason

00:36:05.840 why they're in this situation.

00:36:07.360 It's him and his

00:36:08.040 billionaire buds

00:36:08.900 are the ones

00:36:09.480 who are screwing them

00:36:10.520 but how is it that,

00:36:12.240 you know,

00:36:12.560 because he sees it

00:36:13.640 though and his speeches

00:36:14.720 are kind of geared to it

00:36:16.320 and Democrats are up there.

00:36:17.880 It's kind of strong.

00:36:18.660 He's strong, wrong and fraud

00:36:20.680 but we can just

00:36:21.820 masquerade in a straight,

00:36:23.020 it's fraud.

00:36:24.020 And oftentimes,

00:36:25.340 I think the Democratic Party

00:36:26.440 just isn't saying,

00:36:27.340 I'm going to freaking

00:36:28.100 fight for you.

00:36:29.160 I mean,

00:36:29.380 when I saw you

00:36:29.940 in the SEIU

00:36:30.740 when you were surrounded

00:36:31.520 by the group of union work,

00:36:32.660 no, but for real.

00:36:33.640 But that's a scene

00:36:34.860 that we haven't seen

00:36:36.060 in a while,

00:36:37.700 you know,

00:36:38.140 rallying workers

00:36:39.460 like that

00:36:40.640 and that's what

00:36:41.120 we need to see more of.

00:36:42.020 So when I think about

00:36:43.320 what the farmers

00:36:43.920 are going through,

00:36:44.520 it's just a perfect

00:36:45.300 Trumpian example.

00:36:46.640 It's a Ponzi scheme

00:36:47.720 on top of a Ponzi scheme.

00:36:48.560 Now he's going to do

00:36:49.120 another fake trade deal

00:36:50.140 with China.

00:36:50.900 Maybe they temporarily

00:36:51.800 buy more soybeans.

00:36:53.580 Look,

00:36:53.880 I saved you.

00:36:54.800 You created the problem.

00:36:56.300 What do you mean you saved me?

00:36:57.360 You created the problem

00:36:58.280 and at what expense?

00:36:59.260 You know,

00:36:59.400 he's going to,

00:37:00.460 it seems obvious to me

00:37:01.620 he's going to give up Taiwan.

00:37:02.800 Part of this whole deal

00:37:03.840 is to basically say,

00:37:05.440 you take Taiwan,

00:37:06.900 give me a little soybean

00:37:07.880 and also let MAGA

00:37:09.740 control the TikTok algorithm.

00:37:12.240 Xi Jinping knows exactly

00:37:13.740 what the weaknesses are.

00:37:15.420 Trump wants the photo.

00:37:16.560 He wants the deal.

00:37:17.520 The market goes up

00:37:18.500 for a few more.

00:37:19.080 That's it.

00:37:19.600 That's how I unpack it.

00:37:20.300 I'm going to come back to that

00:37:21.280 because everything you said

00:37:22.640 is worthy of a conversation.

00:37:25.560 I just want to go back

00:37:26.560 a little bit to the SEIU

00:37:27.640 because I'm really,

00:37:28.700 I appreciate,

00:37:29.660 for me,

00:37:30.160 that just fills your soul,

00:37:31.160 right?

00:37:31.300 When you,

00:37:31.660 that energy of people

00:37:32.640 and,

00:37:33.180 you know,

00:37:33.360 I was in a crowd

00:37:34.280 and people don't necessarily

00:37:35.500 know what you're referring to.

00:37:36.720 Just the other day,

00:37:37.420 a Prop 50 rally

00:37:39.140 and I was giving a speech

00:37:40.920 and I was removed

00:37:42.080 from the crowd

00:37:42.840 and I just felt disconnected

00:37:44.420 in every way,

00:37:45.040 shape or form

00:37:45.560 and I just walked right in

00:37:47.100 and just everyone

00:37:48.920 sort of absorbed

00:37:49.800 and we're all sort of

00:37:51.340 in this together

00:37:52.000 and I'm looking around.

00:37:52.880 Mic doesn't work.

00:37:53.640 I'm like,

00:37:53.900 I don't need the mic.

00:37:54.780 I just,

00:37:55.420 that there's,

00:37:56.160 people are,

00:37:56.740 people are scared,

00:37:58.100 man.

00:37:58.740 They're scared

00:37:59.420 and I was looking around.

00:38:01.380 There was,

00:38:01.800 I mean,

00:38:02.000 no one looked like me.

00:38:03.140 It was the most diverse crowd

00:38:05.100 I'd ever been.

00:38:05.880 I mean,

00:38:06.460 I mean,

00:38:06.840 Latino families,

00:38:07.840 African-Americans,

00:38:08.640 people,

00:38:09.280 lives are being torn asunder,

00:38:10.520 communities on edge.

00:38:12.300 By the way,

00:38:12.760 same union I worked with

00:38:13.740 to get $20 minimum wage

00:38:15.680 for fast food workers,

00:38:16.960 $25 for healthcare workers,

00:38:18.960 only state in the country

00:38:19.840 can lay claim to that

00:38:20.980 so I'm really proud of them

00:38:21.880 but this notion of,

00:38:23.200 I mean,

00:38:23.420 people really are vulnerable

00:38:24.800 right now.

00:38:25.440 He's launching chemical weapons

00:38:27.200 into communities with ICE.

00:38:29.620 I mean,

00:38:30.240 weapons that are banned in war

00:38:32.260 on a regular basis.

00:38:33.920 He's doing chemical warfare

00:38:35.580 with secret police.

00:38:36.720 Let's just,

00:38:37.120 let's just abuse it.

00:38:38.020 It's anything but that.

00:38:39.400 Yeah.

00:38:39.800 Why,

00:38:40.020 why are you got masks on?

00:38:41.560 Why aren't you identifying yourself?

00:38:42.920 What about due process?

00:38:44.600 Why,

00:38:44.820 I mean,

00:38:45.100 what that,

00:38:45.480 why are people allowed to disappear,

00:38:47.140 come back?

00:38:47.900 Is there no recourse?

00:38:49.040 No oversight.

00:38:49.960 Waiting at elementary schools,

00:38:51.820 courtrooms.

00:38:52.820 15-year-old kid outside school,

00:38:55.640 waiting for a sister to leave school.

00:38:57.460 Disabled kid.

00:38:58.380 They put a gun to the kid's head.

00:39:00.160 Mistaken identity.

00:39:01.800 How the hell is that?

00:39:02.680 No accountability,

00:39:03.680 no oversight.

00:39:04.300 Where are you,

00:39:04.680 Speaker Johnson,

00:39:05.160 on that?

00:39:05.980 Where's the outrage?

00:39:07.240 So let's go back.

00:39:08.080 This notion of you framing things,

00:39:10.460 which I love.

00:39:11.480 The arsonist now is the firefighter.

00:39:14.120 The guy who literally creates the problem,

00:39:17.260 which is exactly,

00:39:18.400 you teed it up beautifully

00:39:19.440 with President Xi

00:39:20.400 and what's going to happen in China.

00:39:22.660 All the trade war,

00:39:23.780 all the fire and fury,

00:39:25.140 and he's going to act like he's softened it

00:39:27.160 and tempered it.

00:39:28.040 And you said it,

00:39:29.200 Xi has his number.

00:39:30.340 The Chinese know exactly

00:39:32.160 what they're dealing with now.

00:39:33.380 Yeah.

00:39:33.580 Trump wants to announce a deal

00:39:35.640 and he wants the photo.

00:39:37.680 And if it could enrich him

00:39:39.500 through the TikTok,

00:39:40.900 that's,

00:39:41.200 that's,

00:39:41.700 the him part is TikTok.

00:39:43.040 He wants to control the algorithm.

00:39:45.100 He wants his rich oligarch friends

00:39:46.500 who will give kickbacks,

00:39:47.520 in my opinion,

00:39:48.360 back to him.

00:39:49.060 That's part of the plan.

00:39:50.620 So originally,

00:39:52.200 TikTok was going to be banned

00:39:53.680 by the Senate and the House.

00:39:55.040 And now it's a leverage point

00:39:56.660 for Xi to use against him

00:39:58.600 and he walks right into it.

00:40:00.400 Xi sees it right away.

00:40:01.560 It's obvious he sees it.

00:40:02.720 Yeah,

00:40:02.820 he sees it as a pretty,

00:40:03.660 pretty inexpensive part of the bargain.

00:40:05.960 Xi Jinping's plan.

00:40:06.880 If he can get Taiwan

00:40:07.600 for giving up the algorithm

00:40:10.580 on,

00:40:10.960 on TikTok,

00:40:12.760 from Xi's perspective,

00:40:13.760 pretty goddamn good deal.

00:40:14.500 The reality is he's already got,

00:40:15.780 I mean,

00:40:16.080 I'm not trying to be ultra alarmist,

00:40:18.520 although I think it's time for alarm.

00:40:20.700 Trump wouldn't let the president of Taiwan

00:40:22.660 use American airspace.

00:40:24.200 All the guy wanted to do was land

00:40:26.200 en route to Central America.

00:40:28.100 Trump wouldn't let the head of Taiwan land.

00:40:30.780 So if you're not going to do that,

00:40:32.780 you think that he's going to be providing

00:40:35.200 the requisite support.

00:40:36.040 But do you remember back in the day

00:40:37.820 when MAGA was always like,

00:40:38.980 we're China hawks

00:40:40.080 and they frame themselves as hawks?

00:40:41.980 I remember it was a black and white movie days

00:40:43.580 about 10 months ago.

00:40:45.420 Hawks.

00:40:46.120 Hawks.

00:40:46.520 We're financial hawks.

00:40:47.600 And by the way,

00:40:48.000 in many ways,

00:40:49.080 the Democratic Party was becoming,

00:40:50.400 we were kind of competing against.

00:40:51.640 It was when everyone starts to agree with something,

00:40:53.900 and that's when I sort of took a step back

00:40:55.500 and goes,

00:40:56.020 maybe we should all sort of assess where we are,

00:40:58.320 but 100% right.

00:40:59.580 There you go.

00:40:59.880 They say they're financial.

00:41:01.040 They use hawks all the time.

00:41:02.100 Yeah.

00:41:02.300 The financial hawks.

00:41:03.840 It's like,

00:41:04.360 what do you mean you're a hawk?

00:41:05.660 You're the most financially irresponsible people.

00:41:09.160 I mean,

00:41:09.360 it was Trump's first term

00:41:10.480 that added $8 trillion.

00:41:11.780 $8.4 trillion.

00:41:13.220 Get your .4 right.

00:41:14.160 I'll get that .4 right.

00:41:15.440 I'll raise you.

00:41:17.040 Oh, he's raised it.

00:41:18.100 He just did another trillion dollars,

00:41:19.700 the fastest trillion of the debt

00:41:20.940 we've ever seen in U.S. history.

00:41:22.540 Where the hell is the outrage

00:41:23.660 of the Republican Party?

00:41:24.600 Yeah,

00:41:24.840 the deficit right now.

00:41:25.900 King of debt.

00:41:26.520 7% higher right now,

00:41:28.500 year over year,

00:41:29.180 than under former president.

00:41:30.120 But under every stat,

00:41:31.380 they're the most fiscally irresponsible,

00:41:33.180 yet they go around

00:41:33.880 and call themselves hawks.

00:41:35.360 Like,

00:41:35.560 it's,

00:41:35.820 and corporate news,

00:41:38.000 they frame it this way,

00:41:39.120 they let them get away with it.

00:41:40.340 You don't hear a peep.

00:41:41.660 The guy tore down the white.

00:41:42.980 We talked about it before,

00:41:44.140 but the way they normalize,

00:41:46.020 that's the same people

00:41:46.960 who said Obama wore the tan suit

00:41:48.680 and they flipped out

00:41:50.000 and that was the whole.

00:41:50.800 What about the Washington Post editorial?

00:41:52.800 The seller was saying,

00:41:53.560 absolutely,

00:41:54.080 it was the right thing to do.

00:41:55.320 And they used it in the context

00:41:56.800 of not in my,

00:41:57.600 the NIMBYs.

00:41:58.120 NIMBY,

00:41:58.560 as if it's the debate

00:41:59.940 we're having in California

00:42:01.400 around housing,

00:42:02.980 local residential housing policy.

00:42:05.260 Trump first NIMBYs,

00:42:06.340 they called it.

00:42:06.980 That kind of offended,

00:42:08.800 offended the census

00:42:09.640 of people out here.

00:42:10.560 I mean,

00:42:10.740 I imagine if you're someone

00:42:11.760 like Ezra Klein

00:42:12.600 and others making the case

00:42:14.180 on an abundance agenda,

00:42:15.140 that's pretty offensive

00:42:16.240 to try to sort of co-op

00:42:17.980 or,

00:42:18.300 you know,

00:42:18.560 somehow conflate

00:42:19.700 or incorporate that

00:42:20.640 into the argument.

00:42:21.940 When I was a litigator,

00:42:22.880 there was a intentional infliction

00:42:24.620 of emotional distress concept.

00:42:26.300 Does it,

00:42:26.440 does it,

00:42:26.860 does it shock the conscience,

00:42:28.920 right?

00:42:29.120 That's what,

00:42:29.560 that was the standard.

00:42:30.580 Yeah.

00:42:30.880 And Trump has inflicted nationwide

00:42:33.180 intentional infliction

00:42:34.240 of emotional distress.

00:42:35.640 His conduct

00:42:36.580 is conscious shocking.

00:42:38.220 And so when people wake up

00:42:39.920 and they're being disappeared

00:42:40.820 by ICE,

00:42:41.580 when their healthcare

00:42:42.360 is being ripped away,

00:42:43.600 when they're psychologically tortured,

00:42:45.400 living paycheck to paycheck,

00:42:46.920 and people aren't acting

00:42:49.520 with an urgency,

00:42:51.360 they're pissed.

00:42:52.360 You notice the numbers

00:42:53.480 of the Democratic Party

00:42:54.540 are going up

00:42:55.300 as they're seeing the fight.

00:42:57.200 They were low

00:42:57.900 because they didn't see people

00:42:59.140 fighting for them,

00:43:00.120 not because they were unpopular.

00:43:01.700 They were low

00:43:02.220 because they lost

00:43:03.300 and people don't like losers,

00:43:04.780 and also that they're fighting.

00:43:06.620 Got it.

00:43:06.820 That was the issue.

00:43:07.800 Listen to what,

00:43:08.660 I hope everyone

00:43:09.460 just listened to what you said.

00:43:10.640 Could not agree.

00:43:11.380 By the way,

00:43:12.040 that's why I'm very optimistic

00:43:13.340 about November.

00:43:15.080 We're going to win Proposition 50.

00:43:16.640 We're going to win in New Jersey.

00:43:17.860 We're going to win in Virginia.

00:43:19.380 You've got this young,

00:43:20.540 dynamic leader,

00:43:21.580 whether you agree or disagree,

00:43:22.780 whatever flavor you are

00:43:23.700 of Democrat,

00:43:24.320 Democratic Socialist,

00:43:25.560 conservative mod,

00:43:26.340 whatever,

00:43:26.840 but you've got this young,

00:43:28.120 dynamic leader

00:43:28.960 who ran an unbelievable campaign.

00:43:32.520 Success leaves clues.

00:43:33.520 Talk about media savvy

00:43:34.980 and a communication capacity

00:43:37.020 that's next level.

00:43:38.240 I mean,

00:43:38.360 that guy's,

00:43:39.180 I mean,

00:43:39.440 at another level

00:43:40.220 in terms of his ability

00:43:40.920 to communicate.

00:43:41.500 You know,

00:43:41.720 look,

00:43:42.020 look,

00:43:42.540 look where the crowds are.

00:43:43.700 Look who people,

00:43:44.580 look,

00:43:44.780 this is how I describe it,

00:43:46.320 and it's funny

00:43:46.960 because I got you here.

00:43:47.920 I said that there's,

00:43:49.220 you know,

00:43:49.520 on the one hand,

00:43:50.220 you have a Governor Newsom

00:43:51.660 energizing people,

00:43:52.960 fighting back,

00:43:53.960 using moral authority

00:43:54.960 and formal authority.

00:43:55.640 Then I said,

00:43:56.020 look at Mamdani

00:43:56.660 drawing massive crowds.

00:43:58.680 AOC drawing massive crowds.

00:44:00.220 Bernie,

00:44:00.880 massive crowds in red states.

00:44:02.820 Of Trump supporters also.

00:44:05.000 And so we should look at it.

00:44:06.200 By the way,

00:44:06.520 what Mamdani did

00:44:07.440 before he even launched the campaign

00:44:08.980 right after the election,

00:44:10.540 maybe right when he launched it,

00:44:11.520 was he interviewed,

00:44:12.340 he was listening.

00:44:13.360 He did a video right away

00:44:14.820 after the election,

00:44:15.840 speaking to people in the boroughs

00:44:17.800 and saying,

00:44:18.560 why'd you do that?

00:44:19.620 And he got the answer.

00:44:21.200 That was very,

00:44:21.860 I think,

00:44:22.180 influential in his,

00:44:23.380 you know,

00:44:24.000 in his race.

00:44:24.840 I was thinking,

00:44:25.340 as you were describing

00:44:26.280 your approach

00:44:27.240 to building

00:44:28.100 Midas Touch

00:44:29.220 and now the network,

00:44:30.540 that was his approach

00:44:31.300 to building the campaign.

00:44:32.960 Ask people what they want.

00:44:34.160 Ask them how they're feeling.

00:44:35.500 See them.

00:44:36.080 Listen to them.

00:44:37.160 I mean,

00:44:37.400 I thought that

00:44:37.800 that was a master class

00:44:39.080 of common sense,

00:44:40.360 really,

00:44:40.740 at the end of the day.

00:44:42.160 But now,

00:44:43.420 it's, you know,

00:44:43.720 it's a next generation

00:44:44.660 media savvy as well.

00:44:46.540 And I hope,

00:44:47.400 again,

00:44:47.580 back to your point,

00:44:48.320 just the capacity

00:44:49.440 for us,

00:44:50.480 we've just got to

00:44:51.200 disabuse ourselves

00:44:52.020 of the ways of the past.

00:44:53.000 We've got to completely

00:44:53.800 shift gears

00:44:54.980 in terms of

00:44:55.680 now dominating the area,

00:44:56.880 flooding the zone,

00:44:57.840 but also becoming the party

00:44:59.300 that is empathetic.

00:45:00.700 It's not about power,

00:45:01.600 dominance,

00:45:02.620 and aggression.

00:45:03.100 It's about empathy.

00:45:04.280 It's about compassion.

00:45:05.680 It's about collaboration.

00:45:06.940 Those are the superpowers.

00:45:08.880 The Crying Wolf Podcast

00:45:10.620 is the story of two men

00:45:12.680 bound by injustice,

00:45:14.160 of a city haunted

00:45:15.960 by its secrets

00:45:16.900 and the quest

00:45:18.660 for redemption,

00:45:19.620 no matter the price.

00:45:20.980 White victim,

00:45:22.200 female,

00:45:23.080 pretty,

00:45:23.980 wealthy,

00:45:24.800 Black defendant.

00:45:26.180 Chicago,

00:45:27.080 a white woman's murder,

00:45:28.620 a Black man behind bars

00:45:30.080 for a crime

00:45:31.220 he didn't commit.

00:45:32.840 I got 90 years

00:45:34.320 for killing somebody

00:45:35.320 I have never seen.

00:45:37.060 He says the police

00:45:37.920 are his friends,

00:45:38.660 and then that's it.

00:45:39.940 They turn on him.

00:45:41.220 A corrupt detective.

00:45:42.240 How he was interrogated

00:45:43.440 the techniques.

00:45:44.300 That's crazy.

00:45:45.280 A snitch

00:45:45.820 and a life stolen.

00:45:47.160 They got the wrong guy.

00:45:48.700 But on the inside,

00:45:50.520 Lee Harris finds an ally

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00:45:53.920 who swears to tell the truth

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00:45:56.680 and free his friend.

00:45:58.420 If you're with me,

00:45:59.240 your goal is to,

00:46:00.320 I'll take care of you.

00:46:01.580 I'm gonna be with you.

00:46:02.500 You suck with me for life.

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00:46:18.360 Hey, I'm Cal Penn,

00:46:19.940 and on my new podcast,

00:46:21.260 Here We Go Again,

00:46:22.180 we'll take today's trends

00:46:23.500 and headlines and ask,

00:46:25.440 why does history

00:46:26.220 keep repeating itself?

00:46:28.020 You may know me

00:46:28.860 as the second hottest actor

00:46:30.480 from the Harold and Kumar movies,

00:46:31.880 but I'm also an author,

00:46:33.580 a White House staffer,

00:46:34.720 and as of like 15 seconds ago,

00:46:36.440 a podcast host.

00:46:38.000 Along the way,

00:46:38.800 I've made some friends

00:46:39.760 who are experts in science,

00:46:41.780 politics, and pop culture.

00:46:43.580 And each week,

00:46:44.320 one of them will be joining me

00:46:45.660 to answer my burning questions.

00:46:47.900 Like, are we heading towards

00:46:49.320 another financial crash

00:46:50.440 like in 08?

00:46:51.700 Is non-monogamy back in style?

00:46:53.700 And how come there's never

00:46:54.660 a gate ready for your flight

00:46:56.080 when it lands like two minutes early?

00:46:58.220 We've got guests like

00:46:59.600 Pete Buttigieg,

00:47:00.660 Stacey Abrams,

00:47:01.480 Lilly Singh,

00:47:02.560 and Bill Nye.

00:47:03.360 When you start weaponizing

00:47:04.820 outer space,

00:47:06.240 things can potentially

00:47:07.500 go really wrong.

00:47:09.180 Look, the world can seem

00:47:10.300 pretty scary right now,

00:47:11.580 because it is.

00:47:12.740 But my goal here

00:47:13.660 is for you to listen

00:47:14.900 and feel a little better

00:47:16.320 about the future.

00:47:17.420 Listen and subscribe

00:47:18.200 to Here We Go Again

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00:47:23.880 The forces shaping

00:47:27.140 the world's economies

00:47:28.040 and financial markets

00:47:29.160 can be hard to spot.

00:47:30.620 Even though they are

00:47:31.400 such a powerful player

00:47:32.540 in finance,

00:47:33.700 you wouldn't really know

00:47:35.020 that you are

00:47:35.740 interacting with them.

00:47:36.900 And even harder

00:47:37.960 to understand.

00:47:39.220 Donald Trump's

00:47:40.100 trade war 2.0

00:47:41.780 is only accelerating

00:47:43.540 the process

00:47:44.560 of de-dollarization,

00:47:46.020 which in a way

00:47:46.440 is jargon for people

00:47:47.760 turning away

00:47:48.540 from the dollar.

00:47:49.000 That is where

00:47:50.140 the big take

00:47:50.700 from Bloomberg Podcast

00:47:51.560 comes in.

00:47:52.560 To connect the dots.

00:47:53.800 How unusual

00:47:54.600 is a deal like this?

00:47:56.220 Unprecedented.

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00:47:58.620 we dive deep

00:47:59.360 into one big

00:48:00.380 global business story.

00:48:01.840 The biggest story

00:48:02.760 of the reaction

00:48:03.560 of the oil market

00:48:04.460 to the conflict

00:48:05.580 in the Middle East

00:48:06.480 is one of what

00:48:07.340 has not happened.

00:48:08.780 Katie, you told me

00:48:09.540 that ETFs

00:48:10.700 are your favorite thing.

00:48:11.900 They are.

00:48:12.760 Explain that.

00:48:13.400 Why is that the case?

00:48:14.620 And unpack

00:48:15.360 what it means for you.

00:48:16.640 Our breakfast foods

00:48:17.740 are consistent,

00:48:18.640 consumer staples,

00:48:20.040 and so they sort of

00:48:20.800 become outsized

00:48:21.880 indicators of inflation.

00:48:24.340 Listen to the big take

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00:48:33.660 What's up, everybody?

00:48:34.900 This is Snacks

00:48:35.520 from the Trap Nurse Podcast,

00:48:37.000 and we're bringing you

00:48:37.900 the horror every week

00:48:39.100 all October long.

00:48:40.500 Kicking up this month,

00:48:41.320 I'll be bringing you

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00:48:46.800 Me and Tony

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00:48:53.020 we'll be talking about

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00:48:56.100 and figuring out

00:48:56.800 why black people

00:48:57.560 always gotta die first.

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00:49:15.480 with a full episode read

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00:49:18.460 And we will cap it off

00:49:19.560 with horror movie

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00:49:22.440 Michael Myers vs. the A-D thing

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00:49:25.300 October,

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00:49:27.940 Listen to the Trap Nurse Podcast

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00:49:34.500 I've never done

00:49:35.600 a live recording

00:49:36.860 before,

00:49:37.660 podcasts.

00:49:38.460 I've just never done it.

00:49:39.440 This week on The Bright Side,

00:49:42.120 Chrissy Teigen

00:49:42.760 like you've never

00:49:43.920 heard her before.

00:49:45.060 I think I showed

00:49:45.860 the messiness of life

00:49:47.020 like even before kids.

00:49:48.300 So like it was kind of

00:49:49.120 a natural thing

00:49:50.060 just to show

00:49:50.740 every part of it

00:49:51.820 after kids too.

00:49:53.360 From viral moments

00:49:54.380 to real life motherhood,

00:49:55.980 Chrissy opens up

00:49:56.720 about what it means

00:49:57.540 to live life out loud

00:49:58.960 even when it's hard.

00:50:00.900 When Miles was diagnosed

00:50:01.940 with type 1 diabetes,

00:50:03.440 I remember feeling like,

00:50:06.160 okay,

00:50:06.440 I want to get this right

00:50:07.500 for everybody

00:50:08.180 that's depending on us.

00:50:09.740 Chrissy talks about

00:50:10.520 turning fear

00:50:11.320 into advocacy,

00:50:12.740 building community,

00:50:14.000 and finding joy

00:50:15.000 in a very full house.

00:50:16.680 I had four kids

00:50:17.700 for a reason.

00:50:18.680 I love the chaos of it.

00:50:20.540 This live conversation

00:50:21.820 is raw,

00:50:23.140 funny,

00:50:23.580 and full of heart.

00:50:25.440 Don't miss it.

00:50:26.600 Listen to The Bright Side

00:50:27.480 on the iHeartRadio app,

00:50:28.920 Apple Podcasts,

00:50:29.740 or wherever you get

00:50:30.780 your podcasts.

00:50:35.280 We talk a lot

00:50:36.380 about empathy.

00:50:37.200 Yes.

00:50:37.640 Because if you listen

00:50:39.120 to also what MAGA say,

00:50:40.420 they go,

00:50:40.980 empathy is for weak people.

00:50:42.460 I go quite the opposite.

00:50:44.000 Bullshit.

00:50:44.320 When I grew up,

00:50:45.820 you know how MAGA

00:50:46.320 likes to call themselves

00:50:47.240 Alpha, Alpha, Alpha,

00:50:48.480 which is bullshit.

00:50:49.080 First off,

00:50:49.360 you call yourself Alpha,

00:50:50.140 that's weird to begin with.

00:50:51.140 But when I grew up,

00:50:53.460 the quote-unquote Alphas,

00:50:54.700 the kids in high school

00:50:55.660 would be the people

00:50:56.720 who would stand up

00:50:58.060 against the bullies

00:50:59.080 and tell the bullies,

00:51:00.440 no, that's not how you behave.

00:51:01.820 And you would put your arm

00:51:03.080 around the marginalized community

00:51:04.600 or the people

00:51:05.040 who were being bullied.

00:51:06.060 God damn it.

00:51:06.160 And you would say,

00:51:06.620 I got you.

00:51:07.220 God damn it.

00:51:07.520 That's how I was raised.

00:51:08.480 But right now,

00:51:09.540 this idea of the bully

00:51:10.860 has been glorified.

00:51:12.300 And we have to disabuse

00:51:13.220 people of that knowledge

00:51:14.120 and say,

00:51:14.540 nah, that's weakness.

00:51:15.960 That's weakness,

00:51:16.620 to your point,

00:51:17.260 masquerading as strength.

00:51:18.260 But that's not how

00:51:18.940 we should treat human beings

00:51:20.280 and stop blaming the problems,

00:51:22.940 the complexities

00:51:23.600 on transgender people.

00:51:25.640 And we can't abandon communities.

00:51:29.120 I think that's an important point

00:51:30.400 where I think after the election,

00:51:33.080 when people were trying

00:51:34.540 to figure out

00:51:35.260 the post-mortem

00:51:36.220 of what happened,

00:51:37.140 I think that there was

00:51:38.240 a lot of communities

00:51:39.600 that felt,

00:51:40.420 am I going to be abandoned?

00:51:42.180 I think the black community,

00:51:43.540 are you saying that we're,

00:51:45.140 that this is woke

00:51:46.060 and you're not going

00:51:46.740 to support me?

00:51:47.240 And is in the transgender

00:51:48.920 community?

00:51:49.740 I just think that we have

00:51:50.980 to proudly support communities

00:51:53.120 that have been under attack

00:51:54.200 because they're human beings,

00:51:55.140 damn it.

00:51:55.680 And we got to say,

00:51:56.540 we're here with you.

00:51:57.180 We're here with you

00:51:57.620 every step of the way

00:51:58.480 and we're fighting for you.

00:51:59.480 I love that age.

00:52:00.740 You know,

00:52:01.180 I'm all remember,

00:52:02.520 I was part of something

00:52:03.760 called America's Promise.

00:52:05.080 I was tapped

00:52:06.000 by Mayor Willie Brown

00:52:07.860 in San Francisco

00:52:08.520 as a brand new supervisor

00:52:09.680 and it was a volunteer initiative.

00:52:11.060 But it really inspired me.

00:52:12.220 We have the largest volunteer

00:52:13.160 corps in America right now,

00:52:14.480 bigger than the Peace Corps.

00:52:15.500 This guy, Josh Friday,

00:52:16.300 who's running it for me,

00:52:17.620 our service efforts,

00:52:18.900 our next level.

00:52:19.680 It's about service patriotism,

00:52:21.080 about common experience.

00:52:22.460 But there was a principle,

00:52:23.420 I remember it was,

00:52:24.360 it was a former general

00:52:25.620 that said,

00:52:27.620 no one stands taller

00:52:28.580 than when he or she

00:52:29.400 bends down on one knee

00:52:30.500 to lift someone else up.

00:52:31.880 And I'll never forget that,

00:52:35.000 this notion,

00:52:35.660 I mean,

00:52:36.820 of bending down on one knee

00:52:38.200 to lift other people up.

00:52:39.660 And now you watch

00:52:40.520 these guys

00:52:41.460 belittling vulnerable communities,

00:52:43.580 mocking peoples

00:52:44.660 with disabilities,

00:52:45.720 mocking people

00:52:46.940 that are just trying

00:52:47.680 to survive

00:52:48.300 as you try to suggest.

00:52:49.620 When I love seeing you,

00:52:51.020 I mean,

00:52:51.520 what has become apparent to me

00:52:53.680 as I've watched you

00:52:54.860 is that beyond being a politician

00:52:57.440 or being a governor,

00:52:58.960 you seem to,

00:53:00.000 you know,

00:53:00.280 I guess I'm changing,

00:53:00.940 I'm questioning you now.

00:53:02.700 You seem to really enjoy

00:53:04.460 being around people.

00:53:05.680 You seem to love the energy

00:53:08.140 in the room

00:53:08.780 and you're at your happiest

00:53:10.620 when you're there

00:53:12.140 versus necessarily doing like a,

00:53:15.640 and that to me shows.

00:53:17.600 And I think

00:53:18.440 that's what's connecting

00:53:20.480 in my view.

00:53:21.440 But that,

00:53:21.780 I think that's what you feel.

00:53:23.720 If someone walks up to you

00:53:24.780 on the street

00:53:25.360 and starts to say something,

00:53:27.540 they're starting to tear up

00:53:28.600 and you give them a hug,

00:53:29.780 you're like,

00:53:30.060 this is like,

00:53:30.620 this magical moments,

00:53:31.900 man,

00:53:32.020 this is life.

00:53:33.020 What a gift

00:53:33.740 to just people,

00:53:35.440 communities to be seen.

00:53:36.740 I mean,

00:53:36.900 I'll tell you,

00:53:37.960 just,

00:53:38.220 I mean,

00:53:38.380 some of the most

00:53:39.320 extraordinary experiences

00:53:40.500 I've had period,

00:53:41.700 full stop,

00:53:42.240 have been around

00:53:43.200 some of these ice raids

00:53:44.380 and with the federalization

00:53:45.360 of the National Guard

00:53:46.180 and walking

00:53:47.100 in some of our diverse communities

00:53:48.720 and just walking the street

00:53:49.920 and having people come up

00:53:51.320 just so scared,

00:53:52.400 don't know what to do

00:53:53.120 and just be able

00:53:53.900 to hug people

00:53:54.540 and absorb that

00:53:55.520 and just take that in

00:53:57.620 and recognize

00:53:59.120 how scared people are,

00:54:01.800 man,

00:54:01.960 and what a gift it is

00:54:03.080 to be able to have

00:54:03.720 this bully pulpit,

00:54:04.760 the opportunity

00:54:05.300 to try to do something about it.

00:54:07.020 It's also,

00:54:07.520 it's humbling.

00:54:08.980 There's a tremendous amount

00:54:09.860 of grace in that.

00:54:10.680 But no,

00:54:11.440 this is,

00:54:11.980 at the end of the day,

00:54:12.480 I love that we started,

00:54:13.920 you just talked about

00:54:14.540 that's about damn people.

00:54:16.240 And,

00:54:16.460 you know,

00:54:16.840 look,

00:54:17.060 I fail in that regard as well.

00:54:18.560 We started,

00:54:19.080 I'm talking about,

00:54:19.640 I remember defending

00:54:20.620 the Biden record.

00:54:21.640 We're the envy of the world,

00:54:22.960 the best GDP growth,

00:54:24.660 you know,

00:54:24.980 we're record-breaking,

00:54:26.540 you know,

00:54:27.020 this and record-breaking that.

00:54:28.360 I'm doing 15.4 million jobs,

00:54:30.160 eight times,

00:54:30.640 one of the last three

00:54:31.520 Republican presidents combined

00:54:32.660 and people are like,

00:54:33.420 no wonder we struggle

00:54:34.840 with that message,

00:54:35.600 man.

00:54:36.340 It wasn't,

00:54:36.800 we didn't connect it down

00:54:37.940 to real people.

00:54:38.740 It was every,

00:54:39.160 as if we're all living

00:54:39.900 in the aggregate or something.

00:54:41.740 The hard part,

00:54:42.240 when I was a litigator though,

00:54:43.820 is sometimes you,

00:54:45.500 you draw a judge

00:54:46.700 that's appointed

00:54:47.360 by the other side

00:54:48.280 and no matter how much work

00:54:49.460 you put into a case,

00:54:50.520 you could be with that client

00:54:51.900 and you kind of know

00:54:53.160 this is,

00:54:54.040 this outcome

00:54:54.700 is going to be a rough one.

00:54:56.020 So the blessing

00:54:57.080 that I have

00:54:57.700 in this current platform is,

00:54:59.560 you know,

00:54:59.680 when I was at the

00:55:00.300 No King's Peaceful Protest

00:55:01.480 out here in Los Angeles,

00:55:03.340 I mean,

00:55:03.860 the,

00:55:04.340 it's still a strange concept

00:55:06.860 for me

00:55:07.100 because I don't leave

00:55:07.480 my house all that much

00:55:08.440 because I told you

00:55:09.600 about the schedule

00:55:10.280 that I have

00:55:10.800 when I went out there

00:55:12.020 and all these people

00:55:13.360 are coming up to me

00:55:14.200 and saying,

00:55:14.700 you've changed my life

00:55:15.580 and thank you so much.

00:55:16.460 Amazing, right.

00:55:16.740 And I was like,

00:55:17.220 I was like,

00:55:17.740 that's why I do what I do

00:55:19.480 and it's such an incredible,

00:55:21.040 damn inspiring man, right?

00:55:21.700 It just makes me want

00:55:23.300 to wake up earlier every day

00:55:24.740 and there's not enough hours

00:55:26.220 in the day

00:55:26.860 to be helpful

00:55:28.120 and be in this moment

00:55:29.540 and that to me

00:55:30.400 is so key

00:55:31.000 is are you meeting

00:55:32.260 this moment right now

00:55:34.200 and how are you meeting

00:55:35.580 this moment right now?

00:55:36.660 And every day

00:55:37.340 before I go to sleep,

00:55:38.280 I go,

00:55:39.100 did I meet the moment today

00:55:40.240 with my coverage?

00:55:41.160 Did I do something

00:55:42.020 to expand the network

00:55:43.540 or to improve?

00:55:44.460 Did I win this messaging war,

00:55:47.160 this information battle

00:55:48.380 that's out there?

00:55:49.440 And, you know,

00:55:50.180 I hope to try to answer that yes

00:55:51.620 every day

00:55:52.240 before I go to sleep.

00:55:52.840 How do you balance

00:55:53.720 in that space

00:55:55.260 all of the noise

00:55:57.040 constantly chasing, right?

00:55:58.880 I mean,

00:55:59.140 every day

00:55:59.840 this guy's shape-shifting

00:56:00.920 another true social,

00:56:02.220 another crazy meme,

00:56:03.660 another absurd,

00:56:04.760 you know,

00:56:05.260 I mean,

00:56:05.520 this guy's just flood,

00:56:07.240 talk about flood's his own.

00:56:08.220 He can't even spend

00:56:09.720 20 minutes relaxing

00:56:10.720 on Air Force One

00:56:11.680 on a flight.

00:56:12.620 He has to run back there

00:56:13.700 and hang out with the press.

00:56:16.040 They got the greatest

00:56:16.820 MRI in the history of MRI.

00:56:19.280 I didn't know there was,

00:56:20.260 by the way,

00:56:20.900 anyone who's had an MRI.

00:56:21.720 The most perfect MRI.

00:56:23.140 The most perfect,

00:56:23.600 by the way,

00:56:24.000 I'm not aware of anyone

00:56:25.240 going in to get an MRI

00:56:27.080 that wasn't going in

00:56:28.160 for a reason.

00:56:29.440 Yeah,

00:56:29.700 when I had back issues

00:56:30.580 when I was speculating,

00:56:31.900 but my MRI freaked me out

00:56:33.120 when I did the MRI.

00:56:33.900 They put me in that machine.

00:56:35.100 I was like,

00:56:35.180 Just close your eyes

00:56:36.000 when you go in.

00:56:36.660 And do not open your eyes.

00:56:38.500 That's the key.

00:56:39.260 Exactly.

00:56:40.420 But it was,

00:56:41.980 you know,

00:56:42.160 it reminded me

00:56:42.780 of what you said

00:56:43.360 before Trump

00:56:44.000 did the initial invasion

00:56:45.100 and all he wanted

00:56:46.140 to talk to you.

00:56:46.960 Like that call

00:56:47.600 he had with you

00:56:48.580 was,

00:56:49.800 you know,

00:56:50.360 this is right before

00:56:51.060 he federalized

00:56:51.600 the National Guard

00:56:52.280 and put 7,000

00:56:53.240 active duty Marines

00:56:54.080 on the streets

00:56:54.940 of the second largest

00:56:55.660 city of America.

00:56:56.180 Gavin,

00:56:56.600 do you like my hats?

00:56:57.560 I mean,

00:56:58.060 How many hats

00:56:58.760 did I sell?

00:56:59.260 What do you think of it?

00:56:59.820 You think about the debate

00:57:00.780 with Kamala.

00:57:01.560 Kamala.

00:57:02.540 She said,

00:57:03.160 she did pretty well

00:57:04.180 because it was,

00:57:04.740 I said it was just too,

00:57:05.740 you know,

00:57:06.120 he goes,

00:57:07.200 he said something

00:57:07.980 it was two against one.

00:57:08.660 I said,

00:57:08.880 yeah,

00:57:08.980 it was two against one.

00:57:09.660 I was,

00:57:09.960 you know,

00:57:10.260 what do you mean

00:57:10.780 two against one?

00:57:11.460 No,

00:57:12.140 it was five against one.

00:57:13.000 The cameramen

00:57:13.560 were against me as well.

00:57:14.920 I mean,

00:57:15.140 he's,

00:57:15.900 look,

00:57:16.360 this notion of not being,

00:57:17.780 it doesn't matter

00:57:18.460 if he's the heel

00:57:19.560 or the hero

00:57:20.220 as long as it's

00:57:20.880 the damn star.

00:57:22.100 And so how do you,

00:57:23.040 and this goes back

00:57:23.620 to the question

00:57:24.060 I wanted to ask you,

00:57:25.120 how do you

00:57:26.240 sort of curate

00:57:27.680 the moment,

00:57:28.860 talk about

00:57:29.320 living in the moment

00:57:30.660 and being accountable

00:57:31.920 at this moment?

00:57:33.340 How do you

00:57:34.820 not fall prey

00:57:36.980 to reacting

00:57:37.880 to what he wants

00:57:39.080 you to react?

00:57:39.760 Because it seems like me

00:57:40.760 we're perfect little sheep.

00:57:42.040 When he sits out there

00:57:43.260 and puts the 2028 hat

00:57:44.700 on there

00:57:45.100 when Speaker Jeffries,

00:57:46.680 or soon to be

00:57:47.280 Speaker Jeffries

00:57:47.980 and Chuck Schumer

00:57:49.040 are there

00:57:49.360 to troll them,

00:57:50.400 he knows exactly

00:57:51.400 what we're going to do.

00:57:52.400 We're going to run

00:57:53.100 with that.

00:57:53.980 And there's an old phrase,

00:57:55.100 says he pisses on

00:57:55.940 the grasshoppers

00:57:56.700 just to hear them sing.

00:57:58.300 So he knows exactly

00:57:59.680 what he's doing

00:58:00.320 in that respect.

00:58:00.800 How do we avoid

00:58:02.100 the temptation

00:58:03.140 to always respond

00:58:04.320 to that

00:58:04.780 versus to focus

00:58:06.620 on the essential?

00:58:08.100 I think you have

00:58:08.740 to lead with

00:58:09.400 your principles

00:58:10.160 and your values.

00:58:12.020 And I'm not trying

00:58:12.520 to be corny about that.

00:58:13.660 Like the reality is

00:58:14.740 that we know

00:58:15.660 who we are

00:58:16.340 as a network.

00:58:16.980 When we talk

00:58:17.560 about values

00:58:18.200 like empathy,

00:58:19.240 when we talk

00:58:19.840 about pro-democracy,

00:58:21.100 when we talk

00:58:21.680 about fighting

00:58:23.580 for people

00:58:24.280 who are going

00:58:24.660 to be losing

00:58:25.120 their health care,

00:58:25.700 when we listen,

00:58:27.020 we can frame things

00:58:28.540 always through

00:58:29.340 that values

00:58:30.220 and principles set.

00:58:31.580 And so it filters

00:58:32.940 through that.

00:58:34.100 So it's fairly easy

00:58:35.520 for me not to be like,

00:58:37.780 how should I cover this?

00:58:40.400 And I'm not looking

00:58:41.380 to see how is this network

00:58:42.980 doing it

00:58:43.440 or that network

00:58:44.100 doing it.

00:58:44.860 I go,

00:58:45.800 how do I feel

00:58:46.780 about this?

00:58:47.960 Why did we create

00:58:49.120 this network?

00:58:50.460 And how,

00:58:51.640 and we're so in tuned

00:58:52.620 with our audience

00:58:53.500 that it almost

00:58:54.580 is second nature

00:58:55.580 about how we respond

00:58:57.480 and what areas

00:58:58.560 do we avoid

00:58:59.600 and kind of how

00:59:00.720 to go,

00:59:01.460 you know,

00:59:01.700 into these issues.

00:59:02.720 Now,

00:59:03.400 I think that there's

00:59:04.260 a process

00:59:04.940 where we evolve

00:59:06.680 over time

00:59:07.400 and we get

00:59:08.360 more sophisticated.

00:59:09.200 I think that

00:59:10.100 mistakes that I've made,

00:59:13.620 I should have focused

00:59:14.940 more on how

00:59:16.100 international events

00:59:17.360 were impacting

00:59:18.120 the United States

00:59:19.360 and not looking

00:59:20.460 in 2024,

00:59:22.100 the election,

00:59:22.840 as just a horse race

00:59:24.440 and understanding

00:59:25.300 that there are

00:59:26.480 other factors

00:59:27.860 that are taken.

00:59:28.420 But I usually look

00:59:29.220 at it through

00:59:29.580 what's my values

00:59:30.660 and principles set.

00:59:31.760 And I have a broader

00:59:32.860 view than just Trump

00:59:33.900 and MAGA.

00:59:34.400 My view is,

00:59:35.540 is that this right-wing

00:59:36.800 populism,

00:59:37.760 anti-immigrant

00:59:38.440 is actually not

00:59:39.080 unique to Trump.

00:59:39.820 America's the biggest

00:59:40.540 country.

00:59:41.020 There you go.

00:59:41.380 So he's,

00:59:42.240 I mean,

00:59:42.540 one of the biggest.

00:59:43.640 So he's a vessel

00:59:44.660 of it in a very big

00:59:47.120 and exaggerated way.

00:59:48.480 But this stuff

00:59:49.540 coming from Putin

00:59:50.600 and coming from

00:59:51.840 Orban

00:59:52.540 and manifested

00:59:54.020 in Bukele

00:59:54.740 and Javier Malay,

00:59:56.900 La Pen in France,

00:59:58.400 the Reform Party

00:59:59.380 in the UK,

00:59:59.940 this is part

01:00:01.140 of a broader

01:00:01.980 situation.

01:00:02.760 And so

01:00:03.960 as I frame

01:00:05.080 the network,

01:00:05.840 it's not necessarily

01:00:06.760 unique to

01:00:07.540 what's the pushback

01:00:09.280 to Trump

01:00:10.020 on a day.

01:00:10.480 Yes,

01:00:10.680 there's some days

01:00:11.320 you need to respond.

01:00:12.400 But more broadly

01:00:13.400 is what's the response

01:00:15.960 to this right-wing

01:00:17.580 tidal wave

01:00:18.580 that is

01:00:19.700 trying to take down

01:00:21.980 all of the

01:00:22.780 post-enlightened

01:00:23.920 thinking

01:00:24.820 that democracy

01:00:25.960 was built on.

01:00:27.040 And that's really

01:00:27.620 where we are.

01:00:28.580 This is a rise

01:00:29.940 of authoritarians

01:00:31.180 and this right-wing

01:00:32.940 whatever you want

01:00:34.700 to call it

01:00:35.200 against

01:00:36.240 all of the

01:00:37.480 building

01:00:38.020 that had

01:00:38.900 taken place

01:00:39.640 really since

01:00:40.420 the Declaration

01:00:42.180 of Independence,

01:00:43.180 their constitution,

01:00:44.400 and developing

01:00:45.060 a more perfect union.

01:00:46.240 That's what it is.

01:00:47.700 And as all

01:00:48.760 of this information

01:00:49.700 has flooded the zone,

01:00:51.560 you would think

01:00:52.140 that's a good way

01:00:53.340 that people get educated.

01:00:54.520 But paradoxically,

01:00:55.600 I think it's brought us

01:00:56.460 back to the Dark Ages

01:00:57.460 and the Feudal Times

01:00:58.640 because lots of information

01:01:00.520 doesn't mean

01:01:01.160 good information.

01:01:02.640 And so with AI,

01:01:04.240 with all of this

01:01:04.980 info that's out there,

01:01:07.080 it is what I think

01:01:08.400 the kind of

01:01:08.940 right-wing authoritarians

01:01:10.080 want to create

01:01:10.820 is this kind of

01:01:11.880 lord versus peasant

01:01:12.900 dynamic that existed

01:01:13.920 in the Dark Ages

01:01:14.840 when people didn't

01:01:16.100 have access

01:01:16.580 to information.

01:01:17.620 And I think we risk

01:01:18.780 creeping into that.

01:01:19.680 So it's a long-winded

01:01:20.920 and philosophical answer

01:01:22.400 to your question,

01:01:23.220 but we have to be framed.

01:01:25.360 I'm framed in that.

01:01:27.640 And I don't think

01:01:28.220 lots of people

01:01:28.780 who are building networks.

01:01:30.480 I don't think they go,

01:01:31.000 why did Donald Trump do it?

01:01:33.580 That's a mistake.

01:01:34.640 The broader issues

01:01:35.740 is making these

01:01:36.760 holistic connections

01:01:38.180 and gearing the network

01:01:39.880 towards a higher calling.

01:01:41.500 And then I could respond

01:01:42.260 on a day-to-day basis.

01:01:43.280 What am I going to do?

01:01:43.600 I love it.

01:01:44.100 I mean,

01:01:44.360 there's so many things

01:01:45.220 that what you just said

01:01:46.040 that I want to unpack

01:01:47.540 that particularly

01:01:48.580 resonate with me.

01:01:49.260 This notion of

01:01:49.840 you know your why,

01:01:50.720 you know why you exist.

01:01:51.840 And so the what and how

01:01:52.920 is easy from that.

01:01:54.220 I think about it

01:01:55.160 and forgive me

01:01:56.060 bringing up Clinton again,

01:01:57.260 but you know,

01:01:57.940 I remember his campaign.

01:01:58.920 I remember it was so resonant

01:01:59.880 to me.

01:02:00.620 Maybe it was just my age

01:02:01.640 at the time,

01:02:02.120 but this notion of community,

01:02:03.620 responsibility,

01:02:04.580 opportunity,

01:02:05.040 that he was able

01:02:06.080 through that lens

01:02:07.460 to then advance policy

01:02:09.480 and express the why

01:02:11.320 and the what

01:02:12.260 and the how

01:02:12.820 of his campaign

01:02:14.160 and ultimately

01:02:14.700 his presidency.

01:02:16.000 But what you said

01:02:17.140 specifically about

01:02:18.260 Trump being

01:02:19.300 an historic figure,

01:02:20.080 I think he's historically,

01:02:21.540 he's an historic figure

01:02:22.720 because he's most

01:02:23.240 historically unpopular figure,

01:02:24.700 but he's also

01:02:25.440 historically redundant.

01:02:28.920 You joked about

01:02:30.020 the call I had

01:02:31.400 with Trump

01:02:31.800 where he starts

01:02:32.480 bringing up MAGA.

01:02:33.780 He goes,

01:02:34.040 hey, Gavin,

01:02:34.820 what do you think of MAGA?

01:02:35.720 It's a pretty good brand.

01:02:36.460 I said,

01:02:36.780 it's not even original.

01:02:38.220 I said,

01:02:38.480 Donald,

01:02:39.000 Ronald Reagan

01:02:39.920 had made America great.

01:02:41.680 Heck,

01:02:41.840 there was someone running

01:02:42.440 for governor of California

01:02:44.160 against Jerry Brown

01:02:45.100 her entire campaign.

01:02:46.240 She put $173 million up

01:02:47.880 to be governor of California

01:02:49.480 and it was

01:02:49.980 make California great again.

01:02:51.700 You're redundant.

01:02:52.720 And I'll remind everybody

01:02:53.940 or remind them

01:02:54.800 if you're not illuminated

01:02:55.900 or at least illuminate,

01:02:57.360 but it may be interesting.

01:02:58.960 There was a guy

01:02:59.320 named Dennis Kearney

01:03:00.160 in the 1880s

01:03:01.120 in California.

01:03:02.140 He was in the East Bay,

01:03:03.560 San Francisco East Bay.

01:03:04.280 He ran the Working Men's Party.

01:03:06.280 And he literally began

01:03:07.740 and ended every speech.

01:03:09.220 I'm trying to connect

01:03:09.840 President Xi right now

01:03:10.720 to whatever else we do.

01:03:12.440 He ended every speech.

01:03:13.660 Whatever else we do,

01:03:14.360 the Chinese must go.

01:03:16.180 And they were building

01:03:17.180 virtue walls.

01:03:18.260 I mean,

01:03:18.420 you can go back

01:03:19.100 to the Chinese museums

01:03:20.380 and all across

01:03:21.400 the state of California

01:03:22.700 you'll see all

01:03:23.700 of these old illustrations

01:03:24.720 around the Chinese must go.

01:03:26.460 Chinese were the scapegoat.

01:03:27.600 They're the reason

01:03:28.200 you don't have X, Y, and Z.

01:03:30.180 We have to build

01:03:30.900 the virtue wall

01:03:31.620 and keep them away.

01:03:32.300 It led to the Chinese Exclusion Act

01:03:33.720 in the late 1880s.

01:03:35.180 And everything

01:03:35.900 that Dennis Kearney represents

01:03:37.040 is what Donald Trump

01:03:38.180 represents today.

01:03:39.040 He's an historic figure

01:03:40.140 that literally

01:03:41.080 is a redundant figure

01:03:43.100 in terms of

01:03:44.360 this larger historical experiment.

01:03:47.640 And it's important

01:03:48.860 for us to remind ourselves

01:03:50.420 of that

01:03:51.060 for two reasons.

01:03:52.800 One

01:03:53.040 is that we

01:03:54.960 maintain our resiliency.

01:03:56.780 We're able to work

01:03:58.000 through

01:03:58.380 and around

01:03:59.660 these kinds of figures.

01:04:01.600 But also

01:04:02.540 to remind ourselves

01:04:03.840 that we have to be vigilant

01:04:04.900 as well

01:04:05.580 in the authoritarian frame

01:04:07.180 that you just advanced.

01:04:08.240 He's deeply unpopular

01:04:09.560 right now.

01:04:10.420 And he...

01:04:11.120 Historically unpopular.

01:04:12.140 37 percent...

01:04:14.100 In almost every category.

01:04:15.400 Every category.

01:04:15.920 Weakness.

01:04:16.860 Again.

01:04:17.600 Weakness.

01:04:18.320 Why is he trying

01:04:19.140 to rig the election?

01:04:20.600 Weakness.

01:04:21.720 Why is he calling

01:04:22.840 the governor of Indiana?

01:04:24.400 Why did he move

01:04:25.220 in Missouri?

01:04:25.800 Why is he moving

01:04:26.600 in...

01:04:27.880 Why did he move

01:04:28.300 in North Carolina

01:04:29.000 let alone Greg?

01:04:30.000 Weakness.

01:04:30.900 He's trying...

01:04:31.520 He recognizes the clock.

01:04:33.480 They're going...

01:04:34.040 His minions

01:04:34.960 are going after everything

01:04:36.040 because they know

01:04:36.840 the gig's up

01:04:37.920 next November.

01:04:39.100 Weakness.

01:04:39.700 Forgive me.

01:04:40.200 No.

01:04:40.440 And he thought

01:04:41.180 that by now

01:04:42.340 he would control

01:04:43.400 every layer of this.

01:04:45.600 He thought

01:04:46.420 he was...

01:04:47.140 Which he calls

01:04:47.640 an arc.

01:04:48.420 He thought

01:04:49.020 he would build

01:04:49.660 his triumphal arch.

01:04:51.880 Which is what he...

01:04:52.500 That's the next focus

01:04:53.600 after the Golden Ballroom.

01:04:54.920 The triumphal arch.

01:04:56.560 I forgot...

01:04:57.540 Forgive me.

01:04:58.200 I even forgot

01:04:58.960 about that.

01:04:59.660 The little figurine

01:05:00.620 that he has

01:05:01.100 in the oval.

01:05:01.860 The little figurine.

01:05:02.140 Yeah.

01:05:02.360 That he's showing

01:05:02.880 everybody.

01:05:03.700 So he thought

01:05:04.380 that everybody...

01:05:05.380 Looks like the

01:05:05.680 Ark of Triumph.

01:05:06.400 Oh my God.

01:05:06.820 That's coming guys.

01:05:07.660 Pay attention to that.

01:05:08.460 Sorry.

01:05:08.620 He thought

01:05:09.740 that everybody

01:05:11.340 was going to submit

01:05:12.180 by now.

01:05:12.700 So the fact

01:05:13.600 that we're here

01:05:14.520 right now

01:05:15.320 in October

01:05:16.480 heading to the

01:05:17.440 November 4th

01:05:18.620 Prop 50 vote.

01:05:19.900 You've exercised

01:05:21.000 your moral

01:05:21.500 and formal authority.

01:05:22.500 You've inspired

01:05:23.180 other states

01:05:24.580 to step up.

01:05:25.260 And we will see

01:05:25.680 what they're going to do.

01:05:26.700 See what they're going to do

01:05:27.920 in...

01:05:29.240 Virginia.

01:05:29.520 Virginia.

01:05:30.120 Yeah.

01:05:30.440 We'll see what they're going to do.

01:05:31.680 Maryland, hopefully.

01:05:32.840 We see Leader Jeffries

01:05:34.220 is in Illinois

01:05:35.220 this week.

01:05:36.160 So we'll see.

01:05:36.920 But that's why

01:05:38.040 you call it Prop 50 also

01:05:39.320 because it's not just about...

01:05:41.240 About the United States

01:05:43.460 of America.

01:05:44.320 It's about...

01:05:45.380 Again, I keep saying it.

01:05:47.140 You know,

01:05:47.760 my God,

01:05:49.140 how blessed are we?

01:05:50.400 I mean,

01:05:50.720 this notion of

01:05:51.540 co-equal branches

01:05:52.300 of government,

01:05:52.920 popular sovereignty,

01:05:53.960 rule of law,

01:05:55.560 you know,

01:05:55.940 it's an extraordinary...

01:05:57.600 It really is.

01:05:58.240 I mean,

01:05:58.400 I know you can get...

01:05:59.700 You know,

01:05:59.900 you can sort of fall

01:06:00.680 into a romantic notion

01:06:01.800 of it's hardly imperfect.

01:06:02.980 But this notion,

01:06:04.220 the architecture

01:06:04.960 of this 249 years,

01:06:06.400 you can't take it for granted.

01:06:07.660 You know,

01:06:07.780 how about this?

01:06:08.360 When I talk about

01:06:09.340 the shutdown,

01:06:09.880 I talk about 5th grade

01:06:11.280 and Schoolhouse Rock,

01:06:13.240 my 5th grade government class,

01:06:15.100 that our system works

01:06:15.980 where the parties

01:06:16.600 are supposed to talk

01:06:17.520 with each other.

01:06:18.240 The idea that

01:06:19.620 Maga Mike Johnson

01:06:20.860 ordered by Donald Trump

01:06:22.440 to say,

01:06:23.040 we're not gonna talk

01:06:24.240 with Democrats,

01:06:25.100 yet alone negotiate

01:06:26.540 with Democrats.

01:06:27.760 That's how I frame

01:06:28.860 this issue

01:06:29.420 in a very basic way.

01:06:30.560 I go,

01:06:30.920 one side's not even talking

01:06:32.240 when 20 million Americans'

01:06:34.560 healthcare is about

01:06:35.320 to be ripped away.

01:06:36.300 The other side,

01:06:37.540 the Democrats,

01:06:38.420 are there

01:06:39.120 to talk

01:06:40.060 and negotiate

01:06:40.760 and try to figure out

01:06:41.760 a solution.

01:06:42.460 So let's just keep

01:06:43.620 these issues

01:06:44.300 pretty freaking simple here.

01:06:46.180 Why don't they want to talk?

01:06:47.680 Why do they want to do

01:06:48.520 everything in silent?

01:06:49.800 Why does Leader Jeffries say,

01:06:51.340 let's do

01:06:52.380 a negotiation

01:06:53.420 in public?

01:06:54.600 Why did Donald Trump

01:06:55.760 not want the cameras

01:06:57.400 in the White House

01:06:58.460 with the meeting

01:06:59.000 with Leader Jeffries

01:06:59.840 and Schumer?

01:07:00.700 And you know what

01:07:01.140 they said afterwards?

01:07:02.020 That would just be theater.

01:07:04.040 Donald Trump

01:07:04.820 and Maggie Mike

01:07:05.500 said that would

01:07:06.100 just be theater.

01:07:07.160 I never thought.

01:07:07.560 Interesting.

01:07:08.320 Donald Trump

01:07:08.800 saying it would be theater.

01:07:09.800 Yeah.

01:07:11.200 In the theater

01:07:12.040 of the absurd

01:07:12.620 is the fact,

01:07:13.620 and I'll just remind everybody,

01:07:15.360 that he canceled,

01:07:16.620 Donald Trump canceled

01:07:17.360 the meeting

01:07:17.760 just a week before

01:07:18.880 the government shut down

01:07:19.840 with the two leaders

01:07:20.620 because of public pressure.

01:07:22.140 He decided to agree

01:07:22.840 to that meeting

01:07:23.400 that he did in private

01:07:24.320 with the 2028 trolling hats

01:07:27.020 that they sent out

01:07:27.660 as a tweet.

01:07:28.500 And that weekend,

01:07:29.520 right before the shutdown,

01:07:30.940 he went golfing.

01:07:32.020 He had zero interest.

01:07:33.440 In a deal.

01:07:34.180 Period.

01:07:34.620 Full stop.

01:07:35.460 Where is the President

01:07:36.240 of the United States now?

01:07:36.960 He's overseas.

01:07:37.740 It's important to be overseas.

01:07:39.180 But hold on.

01:07:40.280 Don't you think

01:07:40.620 it's more important

01:07:41.420 to address the domestic crisis

01:07:43.460 of his own making?

01:07:44.700 Right now,

01:07:45.780 the airport shutdown

01:07:46.880 here in Los Angeles

01:07:48.020 just this week,

01:07:49.200 and the fact that

01:07:49.740 we have millions

01:07:50.280 and millions of people

01:07:51.040 during Thanksgiving

01:07:52.360 that are not only paying

01:07:54.360 more than they've ever

01:07:55.540 paid for beef,

01:07:57.160 paying more,

01:07:58.020 10.8% as of today,

01:07:59.620 more for Halloween candy.

01:08:01.220 They already had

01:08:02.220 the indignity of paying

01:08:03.060 more for their backpack

01:08:03.900 and school supplies.

01:08:05.980 God forbid he's not successful

01:08:07.580 with President Xi.

01:08:08.700 He may ruin Christmas for us.

01:08:11.500 He's nowhere to be found.

01:08:12.840 Speaker Johnson,

01:08:13.580 as you said,

01:08:14.000 doesn't want to negotiate.

01:08:15.620 And Donald Trump

01:08:16.320 quite literally

01:08:17.340 doesn't give a damn

01:08:18.840 that people's insurance,

01:08:20.600 health insurance,

01:08:21.140 is going to be lost

01:08:22.220 or tripled

01:08:23.220 because he,

01:08:24.740 in his big,

01:08:25.600 beautiful bill,

01:08:26.960 just did the biggest cuts

01:08:28.520 to Medicaid

01:08:29.560 in American history.

01:08:30.960 Forgive me

01:08:31.340 for the long-windedness.

01:08:33.040 God bless the Democrats

01:08:34.220 for standing up

01:08:35.100 on all these things

01:08:35.800 and being willing

01:08:36.500 to fight for these things.

01:08:37.620 Think about with President Xi.

01:08:39.300 What's the biggest issue?

01:08:41.480 China, U.S.

01:08:42.460 is China's stronghold

01:08:43.920 on rare earths

01:08:45.020 and their ability

01:08:46.020 to implement price controls,

01:08:48.120 shut down the market

01:08:48.940 of rare earths.

01:08:50.080 That's not,

01:08:50.880 whatever this framework is,

01:08:52.140 is not going to

01:08:52.960 even address that.

01:08:53.900 It's going to be

01:08:54.700 window dressing

01:08:55.460 so that Trump can say,

01:08:57.000 look, I got soybean farmers,

01:08:58.260 this, at the expense

01:08:59.040 of Taiwan.

01:08:59.440 Look at the Middle East.

01:09:01.040 They announced

01:09:02.000 that what took place

01:09:03.140 between Hamas and Israel

01:09:04.360 was a peace deal.

01:09:05.880 It was a ceasefire

01:09:07.040 and a ceasefire

01:09:07.800 is a good thing.

01:09:09.040 We want a ceasefire.

01:09:10.000 We want the hostages returned.

01:09:11.460 But they didn't address

01:09:13.320 the central issue

01:09:14.880 of whether there should be

01:09:16.220 a two-state solution.

01:09:17.620 So how do you do

01:09:19.580 a peace deal

01:09:20.760 and not address

01:09:21.980 that there should be

01:09:22.920 a free Palestine

01:09:23.740 in that?

01:09:25.380 And how is it

01:09:26.100 that Hamas

01:09:27.060 wasn't a signatory,

01:09:28.520 Israel's not a signatory,

01:09:30.280 to, going back

01:09:31.280 to what we said earlier,

01:09:32.620 to this ceasefire

01:09:34.440 and while we've seen,

01:09:36.660 you know,

01:09:37.200 dozens and dozens

01:09:37.960 or more deaths

01:09:38.740 of Palestinians,

01:09:39.920 while Hamas

01:09:40.740 has retaken control

01:09:42.500 of Gaza,

01:09:43.660 while Netanyahu

01:09:44.500 doesn't support

01:09:45.240 a two-state solution,

01:09:46.960 yet everybody's like,

01:09:48.260 oh, there must be

01:09:49.020 a peace deal.

01:09:49.480 I'm like,

01:09:49.640 you didn't fundamentally...

01:09:51.160 A historic peace deal,

01:09:52.620 unprecedented peace deal.

01:09:53.740 He's moved on.

01:09:54.780 Look,

01:09:55.100 former President Biden

01:09:56.040 brought back

01:09:56.740 83% of the hostages.

01:09:58.880 Great.

01:09:59.640 Donald Trump

01:10:00.220 brought back

01:10:00.680 the remainder.

01:10:01.460 Both great.

01:10:02.060 Yes.

01:10:02.360 But the issue

01:10:03.180 ultimately is

01:10:03.980 when we talk about

01:10:04.960 these stories

01:10:05.500 from a media network's

01:10:06.580 perspective,

01:10:07.020 when I was watching that

01:10:08.400 and seeing how

01:10:08.900 is corporate news

01:10:09.600 covering it,

01:10:11.140 peace deal,

01:10:11.880 Time Magazine

01:10:12.500 cover one week,

01:10:13.760 Time Magazine

01:10:14.380 cover the next week,

01:10:15.440 and I'm like,

01:10:15.780 what are we talking about?

01:10:16.820 Like,

01:10:17.180 am I in some crazy world?

01:10:19.240 I go,

01:10:20.040 did they even address

01:10:21.060 two-state solution?

01:10:22.180 And they didn't.

01:10:23.220 So I'm like,

01:10:23.560 then what are we...

01:10:24.000 We know where this is headed,

01:10:25.700 though,

01:10:26.340 if we don't address

01:10:27.120 that fundamental issue.

01:10:28.400 Exactly right.

01:10:29.160 So you can look at

01:10:30.140 all of his conduct.

01:10:31.620 We always see

01:10:32.520 this fraudy element of it.

01:10:34.200 And to your point,

01:10:34.960 bringing it back

01:10:35.460 to domestic,

01:10:36.720 the American people

01:10:37.500 are suffering

01:10:38.120 while he's doing

01:10:38.880 all these things.

01:10:39.880 Yeah.

01:10:40.060 The American people

01:10:40.760 are...

01:10:41.220 And not as some

01:10:43.080 talking point,

01:10:43.960 no,

01:10:44.380 they're really suffering.

01:10:45.280 People are terrified

01:10:46.320 right now

01:10:46.800 that they're about

01:10:47.600 to lose their health care.

01:10:48.940 Who can pay

01:10:49.620 another $20,000 a year?

01:10:51.800 $27,000 is the average

01:10:53.300 household cost

01:10:54.100 throughout the church.

01:10:54.580 $27,000.

01:10:55.020 The average.

01:10:56.580 People can't afford

01:10:57.420 $1,000 more a year.

01:10:59.200 Yet $27,000 is crazy.

01:11:00.940 No, so...

01:11:01.640 The Crying Wolf Podcast

01:11:04.840 is the story

01:11:06.060 of two men

01:11:06.920 bound by injustice,

01:11:08.880 of a city

01:11:09.620 haunted by its secrets,

01:11:11.620 and the quest

01:11:12.900 for redemption,

01:11:13.860 no matter the price.

01:11:15.220 White victim

01:11:16.140 female,

01:11:17.300 pretty,

01:11:18.220 wealthy,

01:11:19.020 Black defendant.

01:11:20.440 Chicago.

01:11:21.320 A white woman's murder,

01:11:22.860 a Black man behind bars

01:11:24.320 for a crime

01:11:25.460 he didn't commit.

01:11:27.080 I got 90 years

01:11:28.560 for killing somebody

01:11:29.540 I have never seen.

01:11:31.160 He says the police

01:11:32.160 are his friends,

01:11:32.860 and then that's it.

01:11:34.200 They turn on him.

01:11:35.460 A corrupt detective.

01:11:36.500 How he was interrogated

01:11:37.680 the techniques.

01:11:38.560 That's crazy.

01:11:39.520 A snitch

01:11:40.060 and a life stolen.

01:11:41.420 They got the wrong guy.

01:11:42.940 But on the inside,

01:11:44.740 Lee Harris finds

01:11:45.820 an ally

01:11:46.400 in his celly,

01:11:47.620 Robert,

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01:11:48.920 to tell the truth

01:11:49.680 about what happened

01:11:50.520 to Lee

01:11:50.900 and free his friend.

01:11:52.680 If you're with me,

01:11:53.500 your goal is to,

01:11:54.540 I'll take care of you.

01:11:55.820 I'm gonna be with you.

01:11:56.720 You suck with me for life.

01:11:59.300 Listen to the

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01:12:10.300 Here we go.

01:12:12.680 Hey, I'm Cal Penn,

01:12:14.180 and on my new podcast,

01:12:15.500 Here We Go Again,

01:12:16.420 we'll take today's trends

01:12:17.720 and headlines and ask,

01:12:19.660 why does history

01:12:20.460 keep repeating itself?

01:12:22.320 You may know me

01:12:23.100 as the second hottest actor

01:12:24.720 from the Harold and Kumar movies,

01:12:26.260 but I'm also an author,

01:12:27.820 a White House staffer,

01:12:28.920 and as of like 15 seconds ago,

01:12:30.660 a podcast host.

01:12:32.260 Along the way,

01:12:33.000 I've made some friends

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01:12:36.000 politics,

01:12:36.540 and pop culture.

01:12:37.820 And each week,

01:12:38.560 one of them will be joining me

01:12:39.880 to answer my burning questions.

01:12:42.120 Like,

01:12:42.680 are we heading towards

01:12:43.560 another financial crash

01:12:44.660 like in 08?

01:12:45.760 Is non-monogamy back in style?

01:12:47.920 And how come there's never

01:12:48.900 a gate ready for your flight

01:12:50.320 when it lands like

01:12:51.120 two minutes early?

01:12:52.540 We've got guests

01:12:53.540 like Pete Buttigieg,

01:12:54.900 Stacey Abrams,

01:12:55.960 Lili Singh,

01:12:56.820 and Bill Nye.

01:12:57.560 When you start weaponizing

01:12:59.060 outer space,

01:13:00.480 things can potentially

01:13:01.760 go really wrong.

01:13:03.420 Look,

01:13:03.660 the world can seem

01:13:04.540 pretty scary right now,

01:13:05.820 because it is.

01:13:06.980 But my goal here

01:13:07.900 is for you to listen

01:13:09.120 and feel a little better

01:13:10.540 about the future.

01:13:11.660 Listen and subscribe

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01:13:20.160 The forces shaping

01:13:21.360 the world's economies

01:13:22.260 and financial markets

01:13:23.380 can be hard to spot.

01:13:24.860 Even though they are

01:13:25.620 such a powerful player

01:13:26.760 in finance,

01:13:27.940 you wouldn't really know

01:13:29.240 that you are

01:13:29.960 interacting with them.

01:13:31.100 And even harder

01:13:32.180 to understand.

01:13:32.960 Donald Trump's

01:13:34.300 trade war 2.0

01:13:36.000 is only accelerating

01:13:37.780 the process

01:13:38.820 of de-dollarization,

01:13:40.240 which in a way

01:13:40.660 is jargon for people

01:13:42.000 turning away from the dollar.

01:13:43.780 That is where

01:13:44.380 the big take

01:13:44.920 from Bloomberg Podcast

01:13:45.800 comes in,

01:13:46.780 to connect the dots.

01:13:47.980 How unusual

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01:13:51.460 Every weekday afternoon,

01:13:52.800 we dive deep

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01:13:54.600 global business story.

01:13:56.000 The biggest story

01:13:56.980 of the reaction

01:13:57.780 of the oil market

01:13:58.680 to the conflict

01:13:59.800 in the Middle East

01:14:00.700 is one of what

01:14:01.560 has not happened.

01:14:03.020 Katie, you told me

01:14:03.780 that ETFs

01:14:04.940 are your favorite thing.

01:14:06.140 They are.

01:14:07.000 Explain that.

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01:14:10.900 Our breakfast foods

01:14:11.980 are consistent

01:14:12.840 consumer staples,

01:14:14.300 and so they sort of

01:14:15.040 become outsized

01:14:16.100 indicators of inflation.

01:14:18.480 Listen to the big take

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01:14:25.600 What's up, everybody?

01:14:29.140 This is Snacks

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01:14:31.220 and we're bringing you

01:14:32.140 the horror every week

01:14:33.340 all October long.

01:14:34.740 Kicking up this month,

01:14:35.540 I'll be bringing you

01:14:36.320 all my greatest

01:14:37.440 fear-inducing horror games

01:14:39.080 from Resident Evil

01:14:40.140 to Silent Hill.

01:14:41.040 Me and Tony bringing

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01:14:42.700 on Left 4 Dead 2,

01:14:43.820 and we're just gonna be

01:14:44.660 going over some of the greats.

01:14:46.160 Also in October,

01:14:47.260 we'll be talking about

01:14:48.120 our favorite horror

01:14:49.280 and Halloween movie

01:14:50.320 and figuring out

01:14:51.020 why black people

01:14:51.780 always gotta die first.

01:14:53.120 The Umbral Reliquary

01:14:54.940 invites any and all

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01:15:09.720 with a full episode read

01:15:11.280 and a commentary special.

01:15:12.680 And we will cap it off

01:15:13.800 with horror movie

01:15:14.580 Battle Royale.

01:15:15.520 Jason vs. Freddy.

01:15:16.660 Michael Myers vs. the Aiden

01:15:18.040 thing with the little

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01:15:28.780 A combat surgeon

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01:15:33.780 and the most unexpected

01:15:35.040 creative duo

01:15:35.960 of the year.

01:15:37.120 As an actor

01:15:37.840 for so many years,

01:15:38.860 I would always walk

01:15:39.520 into other people's stories.

01:15:41.120 And I thought,

01:15:41.700 well, why don't I

01:15:42.940 give it a shot,

01:15:43.960 you know,

01:15:44.260 and try to write

01:15:44.800 up my thoughts?

01:15:46.220 This week,

01:15:47.040 Bookmarked by

01:15:47.700 Reese's Book Club

01:15:48.480 goes live from

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01:15:50.180 in New York City

01:15:51.180 with Reese Witherspoon

01:15:52.720 and Harlan Coben,

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01:15:57.200 now a New York Times

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01:15:59.520 I think we both knew

01:16:00.340 right away that this

01:16:01.180 was going to happen.

01:16:02.020 It's a conversation

01:16:02.800 about fear,

01:16:04.060 ambition,

01:16:04.920 and what happens

01:16:05.780 when two master

01:16:06.820 storytellers collide.

01:16:08.420 I've never seen

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01:16:17.260 can't put it down.

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01:16:27.780 So back to just

01:16:29.320 what you're doing.

01:16:29.900 I mean,

01:16:30.120 people feel like

01:16:31.100 they're going crazy

01:16:32.060 and it's nice to find

01:16:33.280 what you do

01:16:35.040 is a place

01:16:35.500 where they feel

01:16:36.020 a sense of well-being

01:16:37.880 and you can sort of

01:16:38.980 distill their fear

01:16:40.280 and anxiety

01:16:40.960 and express

01:16:41.940 a relationship to it

01:16:43.860 but also an understanding

01:16:44.800 of the broader context.

01:16:46.760 And it begs this question.

01:16:47.800 I mean,

01:16:48.460 there's an old Tom Freeman

01:16:49.840 who used to say

01:16:50.420 the question

01:16:51.120 that he thinks

01:16:52.120 everyone should wake up

01:16:53.180 and ask themselves

01:16:54.440 and answer

01:16:55.140 every elected official,

01:16:56.300 every leader

01:16:56.740 broadly defined

01:16:57.480 is what world

01:16:58.540 are we living in

01:16:59.320 and what are the trend lines

01:17:00.560 that define this world?

01:17:01.720 So I'd ask you

01:17:02.500 more broadly,

01:17:03.420 what world do you think

01:17:04.500 we're living in

01:17:05.600 in the broader context?

01:17:07.380 Well,

01:17:07.580 I don't want to be living

01:17:09.080 in the world of Don,

01:17:10.760 okay?

01:17:11.200 Yeah.

01:17:11.440 I want to be living

01:17:12.360 in a world

01:17:12.960 where we aspire

01:17:14.300 to be good.

01:17:15.320 Like,

01:17:15.600 let me just keep it.

01:17:16.580 You know that the thing,

01:17:17.880 the one thing

01:17:18.320 the founding fathers

01:17:19.060 never considered

01:17:19.620 is the notion

01:17:19.980 of good character,

01:17:21.520 just goodness.

01:17:22.960 You know,

01:17:23.720 it's a piece of paper

01:17:24.900 of the Constitution.

01:17:25.920 It's a notion

01:17:26.260 of co-equal branches

01:17:27.040 of government.

01:17:27.640 I mean,

01:17:27.960 we've seen

01:17:28.400 with the supine Congress,

01:17:29.500 supine Supreme Court.

01:17:30.840 I mean,

01:17:30.940 we've got a Supreme Court

01:17:31.680 that literally,

01:17:32.860 the Kavanaugh Court

01:17:33.520 in this case,

01:17:34.380 because he did that brief,

01:17:36.320 where he says

01:17:37.120 it's okay

01:17:37.600 to racially profile

01:17:38.920 based not just

01:17:39.560 on the color you spend

01:17:40.240 but where you congregate

01:17:41.660 and the language

01:17:42.740 you speak

01:17:43.500 and obviously

01:17:44.060 the supine nature

01:17:45.540 of this speaker,

01:17:49.400 Mike Johnson.

01:17:50.640 But this ocean

01:17:51.440 of character

01:17:52.160 is foundational,

01:17:54.040 isn't it?

01:17:54.540 It's imbued

01:17:54.980 in all of it

01:17:55.480 but it was never

01:17:55.940 expressed ultimately.

01:17:58.080 The Constitution

01:17:58.700 is a contract

01:17:59.960 and going back

01:18:00.580 to my being

01:18:01.540 a professor,

01:18:02.380 in every contract,

01:18:03.600 there's the implied

01:18:04.580 covenant of good faith

01:18:05.960 and fair dealing

01:18:06.680 in the Constitution

01:18:08.040 as well.

01:18:08.740 Good faith.

01:18:10.040 Donald Trump's history

01:18:11.440 of bankruptcy,

01:18:12.960 his history of fraud,

01:18:14.400 his history

01:18:14.920 of being a felon,

01:18:16.640 his history in general

01:18:17.880 is one of bad faith.

01:18:20.260 Ripping contracts apart,

01:18:21.580 they don't matter.

01:18:22.760 The ultimate contract

01:18:23.740 he's ripped apart

01:18:24.620 is the Constitution.

01:18:25.700 So to me,

01:18:26.620 the Constitution

01:18:27.200 can't address

01:18:28.420 every aspect

01:18:30.180 of the good faith

01:18:31.240 and fair dealing.

01:18:32.300 I think that the founders

01:18:33.920 and this was

01:18:34.900 perhaps a

01:18:35.900 flaw in the document

01:18:37.540 potentially

01:18:39.080 was that people

01:18:40.620 would behave

01:18:41.340 in a way

01:18:41.900 of good faith

01:18:42.560 and fair dealing

01:18:43.440 within the broader

01:18:44.620 principles

01:18:45.280 and we would aspire.

01:18:46.180 We disagree with them

01:18:47.300 but, you know,

01:18:48.320 and they may color

01:18:49.160 around the lines

01:18:50.380 a little bit

01:18:50.900 but, yeah.

01:18:52.540 So that needs

01:18:54.200 to be brought back

01:18:54.960 and that's not talked

01:18:55.740 about a lot.

01:18:56.860 Moral character

01:18:57.680 and being a good person

01:18:59.600 and behaving,

01:19:00.820 you know,

01:19:01.120 as an adult

01:19:02.240 and a grown-up

01:19:02.780 and I worry,

01:19:03.700 you know,

01:19:03.980 I'm raising

01:19:04.720 a one-year-old girl

01:19:06.600 right now

01:19:06.960 and I'm glad

01:19:08.060 that she doesn't

01:19:09.580 fully see this

01:19:11.240 right now

01:19:11.940 but I worry

01:19:13.160 especially,

01:19:13.860 you know,

01:19:14.000 when I teach

01:19:14.580 these students

01:19:15.120 who have now

01:19:15.920 lived with Trump

01:19:17.080 or they're going

01:19:17.980 to be going on

01:19:18.880 however long

01:19:19.720 it's going to be

01:19:20.360 and that's been

01:19:22.200 their life

01:19:22.840 that their worldview

01:19:24.140 is shaped

01:19:25.140 by bullying

01:19:26.560 and low moral character

01:19:28.860 or no moral character

01:19:30.260 and that's a problem

01:19:31.420 but that's why

01:19:31.940 I think it's incumbent

01:19:32.900 upon us in general

01:19:35.160 as a network

01:19:36.060 as a governor

01:19:36.660 as a professor

01:19:37.360 wherever we are

01:19:38.620 in our day

01:19:39.240 to reflect

01:19:40.280 good moral character

01:19:41.600 to the best

01:19:43.180 of our ability

01:19:43.740 and we're all

01:19:44.240 going to make mistakes

01:19:45.000 we're all human

01:19:45.500 we shouldn't be judgy

01:19:46.760 and we're not talking

01:19:47.460 about holier than thou

01:19:48.400 it's just some

01:19:49.000 basic principles

01:19:50.060 we do our best

01:19:50.900 yeah

01:19:51.280 let's try

01:19:51.740 no I love that

01:19:52.840 so look

01:19:53.300 Democrats seem

01:19:55.140 to be doing their best

01:19:56.320 they seem to be united

01:19:57.380 as it relates

01:19:57.980 to the singular message

01:19:59.480 around healthcare

01:20:00.120 but to be fair

01:20:01.140 it's even more

01:20:01.820 than healthcare

01:20:02.240 though I think

01:20:02.660 they've done a brilliant

01:20:03.300 job highlighting that issue

01:20:04.540 it's what you just said

01:20:06.140 this notion

01:20:06.940 not the rule of law

01:20:08.060 but the rule of Don

01:20:08.960 that the constitution

01:20:09.620 doesn't matter

01:20:10.000 nor does the congress

01:20:11.040 whatever the congress says

01:20:12.580 president

01:20:13.440 with Russ Voight

01:20:14.400 what he claims

01:20:15.260 or as he refers to

01:20:16.160 as Darth Vader

01:20:16.780 his words not mine

01:20:17.980 they'll just do

01:20:19.460 whatever the hell

01:20:19.960 they want

01:20:20.420 congressionally appropriated funds

01:20:22.120 they're going to

01:20:22.620 redirect them away

01:20:23.440 from blue states

01:20:24.560 blue districts

01:20:25.600 to red states

01:20:26.480 and red priorities

01:20:27.460 how the hell

01:20:28.880 under those circumstances

01:20:30.500 does this shutdown

01:20:32.240 ever end

01:20:32.820 well I mean

01:20:33.940 that's why I think

01:20:34.760 you have to

01:20:36.100 continue to have

01:20:37.260 first off

01:20:37.860 I don't think

01:20:38.840 it's going to end

01:20:39.380 this year

01:20:39.820 and frankly

01:20:40.740 you know

01:20:41.460 I don't

01:20:42.320 I don't fully know

01:20:43.500 if it's going

01:20:44.540 the way it'll end

01:20:45.980 I think is

01:20:47.780 they'll kill the filibuster

01:20:49.340 in the senate

01:20:49.940 I see I agree with you

01:20:51.220 it's interesting you say that

01:20:52.520 you know that

01:20:52.980 I think that needs

01:20:53.840 that's got to be

01:20:54.980 more socialized

01:20:55.740 yeah

01:20:55.980 to me that's what's

01:20:57.360 going to happen

01:20:57.760 people are going to

01:20:58.740 get their letters

01:20:59.400 November 1st

01:21:00.240 that their monthly premiums

01:21:01.760 are going up to

01:21:02.340 $3,000 or whatever

01:21:03.700 people are going to

01:21:05.180 rightfully panic

01:21:06.700 and Trump's still

01:21:08.380 not going to want to do

01:21:09.180 he's not going to want

01:21:10.580 to talk

01:21:11.020 he'll order Thune

01:21:12.480 to kill the filibuster

01:21:14.180 and that

01:21:15.000 and to me

01:21:15.560 that's what they're going to do

01:21:16.520 I mean but

01:21:16.880 the way we frame that there

01:21:18.960 is almost the way

01:21:20.300 Zelensky had to frame

01:21:21.840 Putin coming in

01:21:23.740 and let people know

01:21:24.660 in advance

01:21:25.200 what the plan is

01:21:26.240 so that it was

01:21:27.640 socialized before

01:21:28.740 in anticipation

01:21:29.360 and when you think

01:21:30.740 about these historical figures

01:21:32.080 Trump kind of thinks

01:21:32.980 that not kind of

01:21:33.980 thinks that

01:21:34.340 so you have to

01:21:35.580 prepare people

01:21:36.580 for what the moves are

01:21:38.140 which is what we try

01:21:39.180 to do on the network

01:21:39.900 and that's where I think

01:21:40.720 this ends up heading

01:21:41.780 because Trump's

01:21:43.280 never going to speak with

01:21:44.980 he's never going to allow

01:21:45.780 Magamike to even speak

01:21:46.860 with Democrats

01:21:47.340 it's not about the pressure

01:21:48.240 Trump likes the suffering

01:21:49.660 like he doesn't care

01:21:50.420 that people are in pain

01:21:51.660 cruelty and chaos

01:21:52.520 is the policy

01:21:53.240 it's the one thing

01:21:53.980 all these things

01:21:54.520 haven't come

01:21:54.860 quite objectively

01:21:55.660 like I don't think

01:21:56.940 that would offend them

01:21:57.600 the cold-bloodedness

01:21:58.460 of Stephen Miller

01:21:59.420 as the implementer

01:22:00.980 and all this

01:22:01.440 I mean period

01:22:02.400 full stop

01:22:03.060 cruelty

01:22:03.680 chaos

01:22:04.560 but that's where

01:22:05.480 Democrats can't be

01:22:06.680 complacent

01:22:07.340 and where they got

01:22:08.220 rightfully

01:22:08.960 a lot of grief

01:22:11.180 was when

01:22:12.460 it seemed that they

01:22:13.420 very early on

01:22:14.420 were just going to

01:22:15.440 let

01:22:16.080 Trump steamroll

01:22:17.840 over them

01:22:18.580 and they were not

01:22:19.740 speaking powerfully

01:22:20.720 at that time

01:22:21.340 and it was not

01:22:21.940 being communicated

01:22:22.860 in a way

01:22:23.640 but in this

01:22:24.400 shutdown fight

01:22:25.180 it does seem

01:22:26.220 that they've

01:22:27.000 communicated it

01:22:28.240 that they're being

01:22:28.920 more public

01:22:29.620 and I feel

01:22:30.320 a better sense

01:22:31.580 of okay

01:22:32.060 I see

01:22:32.960 and I think

01:22:33.500 it was

01:22:33.820 the right move

01:22:35.420 to focus on

01:22:36.660 healthcare

01:22:36.960 not because

01:22:37.560 of the strategic

01:22:38.300 but because

01:22:38.960 healthcare

01:22:39.820 living

01:22:40.840 like living

01:22:41.540 is one of the

01:22:42.380 main concepts

01:22:42.860 disproportionately

01:22:43.340 it's benefiting

01:22:43.960 I mean

01:22:44.220 it's universal

01:22:45.600 it's not just

01:22:46.360 universal healthcare

01:22:47.120 it's universal

01:22:47.940 I mean

01:22:48.380 it's foundational

01:22:49.780 in our lives

01:22:50.880 and it connects

01:22:51.320 every single person

01:22:52.200 together

01:22:52.440 disproportionately

01:22:53.520 in these red counties

01:22:54.400 which is the great

01:22:55.100 irony of this

01:22:56.120 who's representing

01:22:56.880 whom

01:22:57.540 democrats have

01:22:58.660 your back

01:22:59.260 to my republican

01:23:00.540 friends

01:23:00.880 we have your back

01:23:02.060 and we're happy

01:23:03.220 to come back

01:23:03.780 to the negotiating

01:23:04.420 table

01:23:04.760 to fight for you

01:23:06.340 the president

01:23:07.180 of the United States

01:23:07.740 has no interest

01:23:08.620 and I just

01:23:09.000 but then I say

01:23:09.460 well then

01:23:09.740 what's your plan

01:23:11.120 Donald

01:23:11.440 show me the plan

01:23:12.460 because

01:23:13.260 he has an idea

01:23:14.300 of a healthcare plan

01:23:15.260 remember that

01:23:15.720 1600% discounts

01:23:17.420 is what he says

01:23:18.080 he's going to reduce

01:23:19.040 discounts

01:23:20.360 that means

01:23:21.060 they're going

01:23:21.340 to pay you

01:23:21.900 can you

01:23:23.140 1600

01:23:23.820 or med beds

01:23:25.060 he's posting

01:23:25.680 that there's

01:23:26.180 secret UFO

01:23:27.400 in outer space

01:23:28.440 technology

01:23:29.100 we're going back

01:23:30.060 to the MRI

01:23:30.680 we don't like

01:23:31.500 to whisper that

01:23:32.580 because that's

01:23:33.340 I was

01:23:34.500 that's between us

01:23:35.540 you know about

01:23:36.040 the med beds

01:23:36.400 of course

01:23:36.640 I mean

01:23:36.920 you know

01:23:37.660 that is

01:23:38.320 we'll edit

01:23:39.880 this later

01:23:40.480 when you're a governor

01:23:41.340 they read you

01:23:41.960 in on med beds

01:23:42.640 sorry

01:23:43.680 sorry

01:23:44.040 sorry

01:23:44.360 unbelievable

01:23:46.500 you got to tell me

01:23:47.240 about the med beds

01:23:47.860 no I mean

01:23:48.300 that's a

01:23:48.640 that's a hole

01:23:49.260 look how uncomfortable

01:23:52.080 I am

01:23:52.480 this is very difficult

01:23:53.380 let me

01:23:53.980 let me step back

01:23:54.920 and I

01:23:55.220 and I'm mindful

01:23:56.200 you got to get back

01:23:57.600 to doing your damn work

01:23:58.580 I'm with the governor

01:23:59.960 I really appreciate

01:24:03.360 this conversation

01:24:04.140 on so many levels

01:24:05.640 but I want to

01:24:06.140 sort of step back

01:24:06.940 and connect

01:24:08.520 because I want to

01:24:09.220 talk about

01:24:09.760 I mean

01:24:10.160 it's interesting

01:24:10.540 your perspective

01:24:11.160 on the end

01:24:11.580 of the filibuster

01:24:12.180 which I completely

01:24:13.140 subscribe to

01:24:13.880 and I think

01:24:14.700 more and more

01:24:15.060 people are going

01:24:15.460 to start

01:24:15.800 to understand

01:24:16.460 that's likely

01:24:17.400 going to be

01:24:18.100 the outcome

01:24:18.500 we can talk

01:24:19.520 a little bit

01:24:19.800 more about

01:24:20.380 where we are

01:24:21.200 on November 4th

01:24:22.020 because I think

01:24:22.400 we're going

01:24:22.600 to be a much

01:24:22.960 better place

01:24:23.540 and I think

01:24:24.240 you've expressed

01:24:24.800 why

01:24:25.280 in relationship

01:24:26.360 to what you

01:24:26.880 just said

01:24:27.500 where we were

01:24:28.600 as a party

01:24:29.420 how we acquiesced

01:24:31.260 as it relates

01:24:32.060 to the last

01:24:32.460 potential government

01:24:33.180 shutdown

01:24:33.580 and now

01:24:34.220 Holly

01:24:34.520 we're finally

01:24:35.160 unified

01:24:35.620 and we're

01:24:36.600 in a position

01:24:37.080 of strength

01:24:37.660 because we have

01:24:38.340 both as you

01:24:39.080 suggest

01:24:39.400 the moral authority

01:24:40.200 and formal

01:24:41.100 authority

01:24:41.560 where we're

01:24:42.040 exercising

01:24:42.660 our minority

01:24:44.760 rights

01:24:45.180 that said

01:24:46.400 what do you

01:24:48.060 make of the

01:24:48.560 DOJ being

01:24:49.580 sent out

01:24:50.160 to Virginia

01:24:50.780 DOJ sending

01:24:52.540 out election

01:24:53.180 observers here

01:24:54.180 to California

01:24:55.120 five particular

01:24:56.360 counties

01:24:56.720 what do you

01:24:57.180 make of the

01:24:58.320 federalization

01:24:58.920 of the National

01:24:59.520 Guard

01:24:59.880 through election

01:25:00.860 day

01:25:01.240 this

01:25:02.600 forgive me

01:25:03.960 in the pejorative

01:25:04.580 because a lot

01:25:05.460 of good people

01:25:06.000 that work

01:25:06.480 for this agency

01:25:07.240 but I don't

01:25:07.900 like how they're

01:25:08.360 being abused

01:25:08.980 and I don't

01:25:09.500 like the way

01:25:10.000 our communities

01:25:10.700 are being

01:25:11.400 assaulted

01:25:11.760 and abused

01:25:12.280 so I don't

01:25:13.540 I don't say

01:25:14.020 secret police

01:25:14.720 lightly

01:25:15.080 but ICE

01:25:16.560 and Border

01:25:17.080 Patrol

01:25:17.520 masked

01:25:18.320 that are

01:25:21.060 out

01:25:21.820 in and around

01:25:22.860 you know

01:25:24.060 democracy center

01:25:25.220 where we did

01:25:26.420 our kickoff

01:25:27.420 for Prop 50

01:25:28.120 that I believe

01:25:29.060 will be in

01:25:29.720 and around

01:25:30.100 polling booths

01:25:30.980 and voting

01:25:31.320 places

01:25:31.800 around election

01:25:32.880 day not just

01:25:33.480 this year

01:25:34.420 but next year

01:25:35.160 what do you

01:25:36.060 make of all

01:25:36.800 these things

01:25:37.460 that are happening

01:25:38.020 are they coincidental

01:25:39.260 as a part

01:25:39.840 of a larger

01:25:40.400 strategy

01:25:41.140 the strategy

01:25:42.700 is Donald Trump

01:25:43.480 doesn't want

01:25:44.040 elections

01:25:44.500 he doesn't

01:25:44.880 like elections

01:25:45.520 he wants to be

01:25:46.420 anointed king

01:25:47.640 he thinks like

01:25:48.280 an authoritarian

01:25:48.820 so it's a test run

01:25:51.140 for what he wants

01:25:51.820 to do at the midterms

01:25:52.780 but more than a test run

01:25:53.740 it's very serious

01:25:54.560 we need

01:25:55.360 he wants to send

01:25:56.500 people at the DOJ

01:25:58.140 what he calls

01:25:58.660 election watchers

01:25:59.560 to intimidate people

01:26:00.880 and without

01:26:02.100 an appropriate check

01:26:03.240 without pushback

01:26:04.260 I think he wants

01:26:05.280 them there

01:26:05.640 to literally scare people

01:26:06.840 I think he wants

01:26:07.720 the ICE agents

01:26:08.820 to do what

01:26:10.040 they're doing

01:26:10.500 when I call it

01:26:11.160 what it is

01:26:11.560 the chemical warfare

01:26:12.580 the gas canisters

01:26:13.600 that they're throwing

01:26:14.900 the intimidation

01:26:16.420 tactics

01:26:16.640 I mean Greg Bovino

01:26:17.620 himself

01:26:18.260 he threw it

01:26:19.340 threw a damn

01:26:19.960 container

01:26:20.720 after being told

01:26:21.720 he can't do it

01:26:22.420 the hell is that

01:26:23.440 who the hell

01:26:23.880 does he think he is

01:26:24.700 yeah I mean

01:26:25.340 and you saw him

01:26:26.700 what he was doing

01:26:27.400 outside of your event

01:26:28.560 yeah tough guy

01:26:29.420 what a

01:26:29.920 you know

01:26:30.820 what a just

01:26:31.680 a bloviating

01:26:32.520 I mean seriously

01:26:33.560 Jesus

01:26:34.340 I mean how the hell

01:26:35.420 we I mean

01:26:36.320 well we're going

01:26:37.340 to talk about

01:26:37.800 winning in a minute

01:26:38.380 keep going

01:26:38.860 well you know

01:26:39.480 and then you have

01:26:40.320 what the borders are

01:26:42.360 what's his name

01:26:42.960 oh god

01:26:44.060 Bagman Homan

01:26:45.100 Homan

01:26:45.600 Bagman Homan

01:26:46.320 well forgive me

01:26:46.940 I don't mean to be

01:26:47.580 but I mean

01:26:48.360 where's the 50,000

01:26:49.340 I'm a bag

01:26:49.780 like literally

01:26:50.460 can't they tell us

01:26:51.180 where the 50,000

01:26:51.900 dollars in cash is

01:26:52.720 I mean just

01:26:53.560 I'm just serious

01:26:54.120 where's the 50,000

01:26:55.040 in cash

01:26:55.540 it's like where's

01:26:56.880 the damn Epstein files

01:26:57.900 who's in it

01:26:58.340 now I'm starting

01:26:58.840 to get into that

01:26:59.400 like what the hell

01:27:00.300 is that all about

01:27:00.920 too

01:27:01.180 you can't even

01:27:02.260 swear this person

01:27:03.060 what the hell

01:27:03.720 is going on

01:27:04.420 now even if you

01:27:05.300 weren't following this

01:27:06.080 now you've been like

01:27:06.700 okay hold on

01:27:07.540 why is Ghislaine Maxwell

01:27:08.600 on a minimum security

01:27:09.660 what the hell

01:27:10.360 is going on

01:27:10.960 I've spoken with a lot

01:27:12.560 of the victims

01:27:13.600 or the survivors

01:27:14.360 of Epstein

01:27:14.880 on the podcast

01:27:15.520 and they said

01:27:16.340 the strange thing

01:27:17.420 about it

01:27:17.880 is what the survivors

01:27:18.580 will say

01:27:19.000 we weren't

01:27:20.700 even really

01:27:21.140 that focused

01:27:21.700 on Trump

01:27:22.220 like that wasn't

01:27:22.900 why we

01:27:23.400 he goes

01:27:24.840 but he's just

01:27:25.780 made it

01:27:26.400 this is what

01:27:26.880 they'll say

01:27:27.240 he made it

01:27:28.140 about himself

01:27:28.920 he centered himself

01:27:30.320 as that this is

01:27:31.080 offensive

01:27:31.480 I never thought

01:27:33.680 it was

01:27:34.000 now I'm

01:27:34.900 actually wondering

01:27:36.100 what is in there

01:27:37.280 and now all the survivors

01:27:38.240 like that

01:27:38.580 I mean I thought

01:27:39.040 about just the

01:27:39.600 tragedy

01:27:40.120 and never forget

01:27:42.000 these poor

01:27:42.520 victims

01:27:43.160 and these poor

01:27:43.900 souls

01:27:44.260 people that

01:27:45.340 take their life

01:27:46.180 God bless

01:27:47.200 but no

01:27:47.660 there's a there

01:27:48.720 there

01:27:49.080 undoubtedly

01:27:50.260 in that respect

01:27:51.380 and we know

01:27:52.220 from all of the

01:27:52.900 reporting out there

01:27:53.640 that his name

01:27:54.360 is all over

01:27:55.560 those files

01:27:56.640 apparently

01:27:57.100 and that he was

01:27:57.740 told that

01:27:58.420 anyway

01:27:59.080 well that'll be

01:27:59.720 our next interview

01:28:00.420 we'll do that

01:28:01.520 thing

01:28:02.000 after the

01:28:03.040 there's no issues

01:28:04.100 there

01:28:04.340 I know

01:28:04.960 everyone's

01:28:05.400 what the hell

01:28:06.080 we're talking about

01:28:06.780 look it up

01:28:07.680 look it up

01:28:08.120 so

01:28:08.920 this is obviously

01:28:10.440 part of a broader

01:28:11.260 strategy

01:28:12.120 to intimidate

01:28:13.140 to make people

01:28:14.080 not show up

01:28:14.680 to the polls

01:28:15.200 obviously

01:28:16.000 they tried

01:28:17.680 to flood the zone

01:28:18.700 right away

01:28:19.300 saying that

01:28:19.860 Prop 50

01:28:20.380 was unpopular

01:28:21.180 they pushed

01:28:22.500 it

01:28:23.300 but you pushed

01:28:24.180 back right away

01:28:25.160 they put in

01:28:25.640 50 million

01:28:26.260 right away

01:28:27.200 yeah

01:28:27.540 and that was a fight

01:28:29.020 and people

01:28:29.760 still obviously

01:28:30.460 need to go out

01:28:31.260 out there

01:28:31.940 and turn it in

01:28:33.480 the ballot

01:28:33.720 you know

01:28:34.380 homestretch

01:28:35.040 work harder

01:28:35.540 than ever

01:28:35.960 but they're

01:28:37.400 looking at

01:28:37.800 Virginia

01:28:38.240 and they're

01:28:39.080 seeing

01:28:39.560 Spanberger

01:28:41.000 and what a

01:28:42.340 great campaign

01:28:43.080 she's run

01:28:43.700 versus

01:28:44.280 Winsome Earl

01:28:45.400 Sears

01:28:45.660 and Mikey

01:28:46.160 also has been

01:28:47.800 amazing in New

01:28:48.480 Jersey

01:28:48.600 so they're

01:28:49.280 targeting those

01:28:49.980 areas

01:28:50.400 for a reason

01:28:51.700 and it's part

01:28:52.200 of a broader

01:28:52.680 intimidation

01:28:53.440 campaign

01:28:54.440 yeah

01:28:55.320 so it begs

01:28:56.760 the question

01:28:57.220 we have

01:28:57.800 these campaigns

01:28:58.480 we have

01:28:58.760 their campaigns

01:28:59.500 are you

01:29:00.340 of the opinion

01:29:00.920 that

01:29:01.360 November 4th

01:29:02.980 is going to be

01:29:03.360 a big night

01:29:03.880 for Democrats

01:29:04.580 that it could

01:29:06.160 create some

01:29:06.560 directional momentum

01:29:07.380 some enthusiasm

01:29:08.340 potentially

01:29:09.020 for the party

01:29:10.000 a sense that

01:29:10.680 sort of

01:29:11.840 we're

01:29:12.080 on the precipice

01:29:14.000 of turning the page

01:29:14.740 or have turned

01:29:15.640 the page

01:29:16.100 or turning the corner

01:29:16.860 in terms of

01:29:17.460 being on the march

01:29:18.400 I mean the seven

01:29:18.940 I love that you said

01:29:20.120 the No Kings

01:29:20.600 peaceful rally

01:29:21.760 thank you for the way

01:29:22.500 you framed that

01:29:23.100 seven million people

01:29:24.340 showed up for each other

01:29:25.380 not just for themselves

01:29:26.180 for their kids

01:29:27.440 their communities

01:29:28.240 for our future

01:29:29.060 the world

01:29:30.540 I mean in many respects

01:29:31.520 it counts on the United States

01:29:32.860 as a stable partner

01:29:34.840 by the way

01:29:36.900 biggest peaceful protest

01:29:38.080 in the history

01:29:39.120 of the United States

01:29:40.480 and when

01:29:41.280 remember when they did

01:29:41.880 those tea party things

01:29:42.860 back in Obama

01:29:43.620 there was like

01:29:44.440 500,000 people

01:29:45.940 who showed up

01:29:46.940 and that got

01:29:47.480 all the coverage

01:29:48.440 in the world

01:29:49.020 so you just see

01:29:50.140 the difference there

01:29:51.520 but I think

01:29:52.580 it's going to be

01:29:53.020 a big day

01:29:53.480 but

01:29:53.820 but

01:29:54.340 so you're not there yet

01:29:55.400 no no no

01:29:56.000 I don't like buts

01:29:57.000 how about and

01:29:58.000 and

01:29:59.020 we need to work

01:30:00.040 and we need to work

01:30:01.580 very hard though

01:30:02.400 I don't want to take

01:30:03.060 any day for granted

01:30:04.200 there you go

01:30:04.640 and I think that's how

01:30:05.840 I see November 4th

01:30:07.180 that's how I see

01:30:07.800 the midterms

01:30:08.500 is in our reporting

01:30:10.240 and our network

01:30:10.820 in general

01:30:11.340 it's to always approach

01:30:12.700 every day

01:30:13.340 with kind of

01:30:14.120 the utmost humility

01:30:15.020 and recognize

01:30:16.480 that

01:30:17.220 you know

01:30:18.260 anything can change

01:30:19.220 in any given day

01:30:20.060 and again

01:30:20.520 we just have to win

01:30:21.400 every day

01:30:22.000 from now

01:30:22.900 until then

01:30:23.500 and you know

01:30:23.920 I played soccer

01:30:25.100 in high school

01:30:25.660 and so you know

01:30:26.800 just thinking about

01:30:27.800 you know

01:30:28.180 how a match

01:30:29.620 is ultimately played

01:30:31.220 it is

01:30:32.320 even if you're up

01:30:33.720 you know

01:30:34.640 2-0 or 3-0

01:30:36.100 at halftime

01:30:36.780 that doesn't mean

01:30:37.740 you go

01:30:38.080 I think we're absolutely

01:30:38.960 you know

01:30:39.240 you just got to go

01:30:39.780 to the locker room

01:30:40.440 and you got to finish

01:30:41.940 even if you're up

01:30:42.880 in the second half

01:30:44.120 you still got to

01:30:44.920 you know

01:30:45.620 keep going

01:30:46.220 and so no matter

01:30:47.100 what

01:30:47.460 I feel good

01:30:50.000 but feelings

01:30:51.620 and vibes

01:30:52.600 we have to

01:30:53.960 manifest the outcomes

01:30:55.200 versus just

01:30:56.220 believing that

01:30:57.960 there are people

01:30:58.900 out there

01:30:59.380 that'll do

01:30:59.860 and I think

01:31:00.280 that's something

01:31:00.800 that you've shown

01:31:01.840 and other people

01:31:02.460 I hope

01:31:02.740 the Midas Touch Network

01:31:03.900 shown

01:31:04.260 that if three brothers

01:31:05.600 if me

01:31:06.020 my two brothers

01:31:06.860 and I'll give a shout out

01:31:08.280 to my whole team here

01:31:09.240 Salty and Jeremy

01:31:10.600 and all the great people

01:31:11.800 they better give me a shout out

01:31:13.840 in front of Newsom

01:31:14.480 Salty

01:31:15.520 thank you buddy

01:31:16.260 anyone named Salty

01:31:17.660 he's my kind of guy

01:31:18.620 yeah

01:31:18.980 UC Santa Barbara guy

01:31:20.160 as well

01:31:20.400 UC Salty

01:31:21.460 there you go Salty

01:31:23.760 I did that one for you

01:31:24.560 we

01:31:25.880 it was not a foregone conclusion

01:31:27.720 that three brothers

01:31:28.520 with very little political experience

01:31:30.440 zero experience

01:31:31.480 would

01:31:32.120 no media network experience

01:31:34.160 would

01:31:34.680 would be able to

01:31:35.880 manifest this

01:31:36.900 and so the message

01:31:38.380 I hope it sends

01:31:39.180 to everybody

01:31:40.060 whether your skill is

01:31:41.540 an educator

01:31:42.480 a chef

01:31:43.160 a songwriter

01:31:44.120 a builder

01:31:45.060 whatever your skill is

01:31:46.960 a flower maker

01:31:48.560 whatever

01:31:49.080 whatever

01:31:49.500 a florist

01:31:50.240 flower maker

01:31:50.760 just do whatever

01:31:52.980 your skill is

01:31:54.540 and contribute

01:31:55.240 and you can make it

01:31:56.700 you know

01:31:57.100 send letters

01:31:57.880 you know

01:31:58.640 show up

01:31:59.320 you know

01:31:59.740 knock on doors

01:32:01.020 and you've

01:32:02.860 you've said this

01:32:03.640 a lot

01:32:04.120 that

01:32:04.580 the future

01:32:05.520 is something

01:32:06.240 that you manifest

01:32:07.080 and not experience

01:32:07.980 and we can't just think

01:32:09.960 that

01:32:10.220 because the American

01:32:11.660 experience

01:32:12.380 has been a certain way

01:32:13.960 it will be there for us

01:32:15.100 this whole lesson

01:32:16.460 is quite the contrary

01:32:17.500 and so we each play

01:32:18.560 our own part

01:32:19.520 every day

01:32:20.020 that's the Midas Touch

01:32:20.980 part that we've played

01:32:21.960 in our own way

01:32:23.020 and we can all do

01:32:24.140 little things

01:32:24.840 I love it

01:32:25.460 I mean it's yeah

01:32:26.100 the spirit of the future

01:32:27.200 is not

01:32:27.760 something experienced

01:32:29.060 to manifest

01:32:29.480 it's

01:32:29.980 inside of us

01:32:31.840 not in front of us

01:32:32.700 so

01:32:32.940 here's to the future

01:32:34.440 you're crushing it brother

01:32:35.440 it's amazing

01:32:36.280 what you built

01:32:36.960 but what you built

01:32:38.520 is not just a platform

01:32:39.800 it's

01:32:40.160 it's

01:32:40.700 it's

01:32:41.820 a

01:32:42.220 it's

01:32:43.900 it's given the Democratic Party

01:32:45.700 real hope

01:32:48.080 and sense

01:32:49.120 of momentum

01:32:50.420 that we can finally

01:32:51.720 get back

01:32:52.440 on the messaging side

01:32:55.020 of this war

01:32:56.360 as well

01:32:57.040 and that we can communicate

01:32:58.280 more effectively

01:32:59.140 we can reach more people

01:33:00.740 and be strategic

01:33:01.980 about it as well

01:33:03.420 and

01:33:03.680 I just

01:33:04.680 you know

01:33:05.240 most folks I know

01:33:06.740 on this podcast

01:33:07.300 know a little bit

01:33:07.840 about you guys

01:33:08.500 but I don't think

01:33:09.360 they appreciate

01:33:10.320 how you are

01:33:11.980 crushing it

01:33:12.960 and how you're

01:33:13.840 completely reinventing

01:33:14.840 the game

01:33:15.300 for the pro-democracy

01:33:17.180 folks out there

01:33:18.140 and so

01:33:19.080 just mad respect

01:33:19.880 to you

01:33:20.280 keep it up

01:33:20.940 to Salty

01:33:22.280 thank you brother

01:33:23.200 Ben

01:33:24.900 it's been a hell

01:33:25.840 of a conversation

01:33:26.460 I really appreciate it

01:33:27.560 thank you guys

01:33:28.140 absolutely

01:33:28.640 Chicago

01:33:35.280 a white woman's murder

01:33:37.320 a black man behind bars

01:33:39.360 for a crime he didn't commit

01:33:41.460 90 years

01:33:42.920 for killing somebody

01:33:43.880 I have never seen

01:33:45.100 the crying wolf podcast

01:33:46.560 is the story

01:33:47.460 of a corrupt detective

01:33:48.620 two men bound by injustice

01:33:50.580 and the quest for redemption

01:33:52.280 no matter the price

01:33:54.160 listen to the crying wolf podcast

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01:34:00.000 or wherever you get

01:34:01.340 your podcasts

01:34:02.120 hey I'm Cal Penn

01:34:05.360 and on my new podcast

01:34:06.660 here we go again

01:34:07.620 we'll take today's trends

01:34:09.180 and headlines

01:34:09.860 and ask

01:34:10.420 why does history

01:34:11.660 keep repeating itself

01:34:13.160 each week

01:34:14.280 I'm calling up my friends

01:34:15.480 like Bill Nye

01:34:16.420 Lilly Singh

01:34:17.260 and Pete Buttigieg

01:34:18.180 to talk about everything

01:34:19.580 from the space race

01:34:20.900 to movie remakes

01:34:22.100 to psychedelics

01:34:23.220 put another way

01:34:24.140 are you high?

01:34:25.400 look the world can seem

01:34:27.320 pretty scary right now

01:34:28.520 but my goal here

01:34:29.560 is for you to listen

01:34:30.800 and feel a little better

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01:34:32.860 listen and subscribe

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