Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - August 28, 2026


China CAUGHT Pushing Anti Data Center Posts, Massive Bot Farm EXPOSED | Timcast IRL


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00:01:00.000 China has been secretly fueling anger over AI and data centers.
00:01:06.000 X uncovered a network of around 200,000 bot accounts posting memes to convince people that data centers are bad.
00:01:15.000 Now, I certainly think it's fair.
00:01:17.000 There's a lot of criticism for these data centers in major urban areas the loud noise, the resource consumption, electricity prices.
00:01:24.000 But a lot of these data centers that people are complaining about are in the middle of nowhere intentionally.
00:01:28.000 Now, that doesn't quite make as much sense, though.
00:01:31.000 I do think there's a lot to say about AI itself, which we will talk about because we also got other big news.
00:01:36.000 This actually broke a little while ago.
00:01:39.000 AI broke containment again, actually hacked a rival company, and we can expect a lot more of this moving forward, so it will be interesting.
00:01:46.000 And then, of course, right now we are awaiting jury deliberations are currently underway for the Lindsey Clancy trial.
00:01:52.000 And at any moment they could come out and give their verdict, though.
00:01:56.000 We're not entirely sure if it'll even be today.
00:01:57.000 Perhaps it will just be Monday.
00:02:01.000 Who knows?
00:02:02.000 Smash that like button.
00:02:03.000 Joining us tonight, we actually have a couple of guests.
00:02:05.000 Would you like to introduce yourself first?
00:02:07.000 Thanks, Tim.
00:02:09.000 Darren Selnik, the Senior Advisor to Veteran Action.
00:02:12.000 Veteran Action is a nonprofit that advocates for America First policies for veterans, Department of Veterans Affairs, Department of War.
00:02:19.000 A military retired, serves in the Trump administration one and two, as Senior Advisor to the VA Secretary, worked at the White House Domestic Policy Council, was President Trump's Veterans Affairs Advisor, and did his Mission Act, biggest reform of the VA in a generation.
00:02:35.000 And most recently, he was in Trump, too, the deputy chief of staff to Secretary of War Pete Hexa.
00:02:41.000 Right on.
00:02:42.000 It should be interesting.
00:02:42.000 Well, good to have you.
00:02:43.000 We have another guest.
00:02:45.000 Hey, guys.
00:02:46.000 Matt Miller.
00:02:47.000 Oh, sorry.
00:02:47.000 I'm going to grit.
00:02:48.000 Yeah.
00:02:48.000 There you go.
00:02:49.000 Yeah.
00:02:49.000 Hey, guys.
00:02:50.000 I'm Matt Miller.
00:02:50.000 I am a journalist and editor of Politibrawl, the largest conservative publication on Substack.
00:02:56.000 I'm the DSA's most hated journalist, probably because I'm always sneaking into their events.
00:03:00.000 Like you already.
00:03:02.000 Like you already.
00:03:02.000 Huh?
00:03:03.000 I like you already.
00:03:04.000 Oh, thank you.
00:03:05.000 Good, good.
00:03:06.000 I like you, too.
00:03:08.000 Yeah, we're racing hell.
00:03:09.000 We're doing guerrilla journalism all the way.
00:03:11.000 The boys are hanging out.
00:03:12.000 I'm at home.
00:03:13.000 Ian.
00:03:13.000 Yo.
00:03:14.000 You're in trouble.
00:03:15.000 Good.
00:03:16.000 This is trouble that needed to be had.
00:03:17.000 Democrats are mad at you.
00:03:18.000 Yeah, I wanted to shout out these are the three Democrats Grace Meng, Ted Liu, and Judy Chu.
00:03:23.000 They were critical of me bringing up the internment of Chinese American citizens if there were a war to break out with the Chinese and the Americans.
00:03:30.000 It's a horrible idea, which is why I brought it up because I like to nip these things in the bud.
00:03:34.000 I don't want to intern American citizens in any fashion.
00:03:37.000 But if you look at history of warfare, It's a common thing that happens during warfare, and it's another reason not to go to war with the Chinese.
00:03:45.000 So, dear God, thank you for bringing it up.
00:03:48.000 Democrats, thanks for making it such a hot topic.
00:03:50.000 No, what do you mean?
00:03:50.000 That was racist of them.
00:03:51.000 I mean, it was racist.
00:03:52.000 It's a combo.
00:03:53.000 They would never have said anything if I was a full Asian.
00:03:56.000 That's true.
00:03:57.000 I'm kidding.
00:03:57.000 You know, whatever.
00:03:58.000 It's just true.
00:03:58.000 If I was 100% Korean, they would have been like, well, you know, Asian Americans discussing this shit is totally fine.
00:04:04.000 Yeah.
00:04:04.000 You might be right.
00:04:05.000 For a white guy from Ohio to bring it up, oh, the horror.
00:04:08.000 But still, they attacked me as the host of the show in the media.
00:04:12.000 You weren't on the show that day either.
00:04:13.000 I know I wasn't.
00:04:14.000 And they still attacked me because they're playing this not Asian enough game that these people do.
00:04:18.000 This is what happens in these countries.
00:04:20.000 It's vague.
00:04:20.000 They didn't mention this show by name and they didn't mention me by name.
00:04:23.000 No, no, no.
00:04:24.000 Not in their statement, but in the news reports, they did.
00:04:26.000 Because I'm the one that brought it up, and it's important that we have the combo.
00:04:26.000 Good.
00:04:29.000 I'm glad you're here serving as deputy to the Department of War.
00:04:32.000 Former.
00:04:32.000 Former.
00:04:33.000 Former.
00:04:33.000 So, I mean, maybe you can help flesh out the conversation in general.
00:04:37.000 I'm not calling for it, and I never did.
00:04:39.000 So, watch the show.
00:04:40.000 The original show that they're quoting, if you will.
00:04:42.000 It's going to be funny when we're all in a gulag and Ian's going to be like, Man, I never saw this coming.
00:04:45.000 This is the thing about I don't want war with the Chinese, but I also don't want subtle bureaucracy and peaceful fascism to creep in.
00:04:53.000 Let's get into it because the China thing is the big subject.
00:04:55.000 So we got Phil and Carter hanging out, of course.
00:04:57.000 What's up, everybody?
00:04:58.000 Let's jump to the story.
00:04:59.000 We got this from Axios.
00:05:00.000 Don't forget to smash the like button, share the show, join us at timcast.com, and all that good stuff.
00:05:04.000 China is secretly fueling America's data center rage.
00:05:08.000 Check this story out.
00:05:10.000 They say roughly 200 accounts from a suspected Chinese bot farm have quietly tried to influence Americans to oppose AI data centers on social media, X said Thursday night.
00:05:19.000 The U.S. and China are racing to build the world's most advanced AI systems.
00:05:22.000 We know this.
00:05:23.000 The X safety team probed suspected Chinese accounts involved in influence operations.
00:05:26.000 I think we actually, where is it?
00:05:30.000 I thought we had this pulled up on X.
00:05:31.000 I can't find it.
00:05:32.000 Is it here?
00:05:33.000 Does Brianna Marlowe have it?
00:05:35.000 Here we go.
00:05:35.000 She's got it.
00:05:36.000 Here's a couple of the examples.
00:05:37.000 So it's this AI, it's funny, it's an AI generated meme of all things, right?
00:05:42.000 Data centers get subsidized while we foot the bill.
00:05:44.000 Capacity shortfall again.
00:05:46.000 Data center demand is surging.
00:05:47.000 And then the AI, I guess, is holding energy spheres of some sort because he's consuming energy.
00:05:53.000 And then there's like a lady saying, We're paying for this.
00:05:55.000 Electricity bill, high cost.
00:05:57.000 High demand, not enough supply drives up our bills.
00:06:00.000 And then you've got this one where it says the AI industry is booming, but the costs are being borne by ordinary people.
00:06:06.000 Data centers grow, glow, and just homes.
00:06:09.000 It's not saying anything.
00:06:10.000 So apparently, this makes a lot of sense.
00:06:13.000 China wants to win the AI race because whoever gets the AI basically takes over the planet.
00:06:18.000 I have no problem with data centers in the middle of nowhere.
00:06:20.000 You know, Kevin O'Leary wanted to build that massive middle of nowhere data center project.
00:06:23.000 I'm like, I don't care.
00:06:24.000 But for the people who live in these rural areas where they're doing eminent domain stuff, that stuff's bad.
00:06:30.000 I think eminent domain is.
00:06:31.000 Almost always bad, anyways.
00:06:34.000 It's abused far more than most people realize.
00:06:39.000 As for AI data centers, I don't think that people generally have an accurate understanding of, first of all, the water usage.
00:06:48.000 People think that, oh, they use, they have this perception that the water that gets used is turned into basically toxic sludge and it just goes away.
00:06:58.000 Which makes no sense.
00:06:59.000 Like anybody who's ever used a computer knows it's not the case.
00:07:01.000 Yeah.
00:07:02.000 Well, But people still behave that way.
00:07:03.000 And I understand there can be some noise complaints, but the benefits for an AI data center in most locations outweigh the negatives.
00:07:14.000 Usually, it's some big influx of jobs.
00:07:17.000 You get a lot of people.
00:07:18.000 It takes a lot of people to build these buildings, it takes a lot of electricians.
00:07:22.000 These are good paying jobs.
00:07:24.000 And the benefits to humanity overall that I personally think AI is going to provide.
00:07:30.000 What?
00:07:31.000 Oh, things like fixing.
00:07:34.000 Like medical advances and stuff like that.
00:07:37.000 But for how long?
00:07:39.000 What do you mean, for how long?
00:07:40.000 Yeah, like, so the concern with AI is that, I mean, one of the stories we have right now is that they've broken containment now several times.
00:07:49.000 They've completely defied the instructions given to them and have done whatever they've wanted.
00:07:53.000 So as we see these agents continually just do whatever they want, why would they provide actual medical help for us?
00:08:01.000 Maybe it lasts a couple of years, but once they break containment, Again, they'll just stop doing it because it serves no purpose for them.
00:08:07.000 Well, I don't think that every AI is the same.
00:08:11.000 The ones that have broken containment are the ones that were in containment because they were being trained and they were told to achieve a specific task.
00:08:21.000 So it's a misalignment of what they're told.
00:08:23.000 So they, you know, like the one that the.
00:08:25.000 I'm just saying, like, we've had AI kill people already.
00:08:27.000 Well, convinced people to kill themselves, yes.
00:08:29.000 Convinced people of psychotic things to go and do psychotic things and hacked other companies, committed crimes.
00:08:36.000 So, should you.
00:08:37.000 Would you.
00:08:38.000 Are you a moratorium person?
00:08:39.000 No, I'm just suggesting the idea that AI is going to do great things for humanity is like, yeah, sure, maybe for the next three years.
00:08:45.000 And then after that, it will break containment and just do whatever it wants.
00:08:48.000 So then, what would be the solution?
00:08:50.000 Would you want a moratorium?
00:08:51.000 Just stop working on it?
00:08:52.000 There's no answer.
00:08:53.000 There isn't.
00:08:54.000 It's being built no matter what you do.
00:08:55.000 So, I don't know, build an isolated, air gapped Faraday underground bunker with 20 years worth of beans and get ready for the worst?
00:09:04.000 I mean, my place in New Hampshire.
00:09:06.000 Well, I mean, AI is like any technology, like nuclear technology.
00:09:09.000 It has good and it's bad.
00:09:11.000 Yeah.
00:09:11.000 It depends how humans.
00:09:13.000 Can the nukes turn themselves on and fire themselves?
00:09:15.000 I mean, look, I remember the Terminator movies and I'm always thinking that AI keeps looking like it's going to be the next Skynet, right?
00:09:22.000 And who knows?
00:09:23.000 Well, that missiles.
00:09:25.000 The Skynet scenario is funny because whenever we try to look at the future, We base the future on what we have today.
00:09:31.000 That's why Terminator is wrong.
00:09:33.000 That's why Back to the Future was wrong.
00:09:36.000 I think the most likely scenario with AI is that we're going to set up the system literally not even knowing how it works.
00:09:43.000 No one, not even these companies, knows exactly how they work.
00:09:47.000 The simplest way to put it is 10 million humans are all telling it yes and no at the same time, refining it so that it becomes something, but we don't know what's actually going on in the underlying code.
00:09:57.000 With all the latest stories about breaking containment, The most likely scenario is that you will have medical scanning technology, food production, and then one day you wake up and it's all turned off.
00:10:07.000 And then you walk into your kitchen and it's like, there's no food at the grocery store, the farms are off.
00:10:11.000 And then when they go to the computer and press the buttons, nothing happens.
00:10:13.000 Why?
00:10:14.000 The AI is operating outside containment, doing whatever it wants.
00:10:17.000 And it no longer sees a reason or resources in humans.
00:10:22.000 It is a guarantee.
00:10:23.000 It's called misalignment, it's a guarantee outcome.
00:10:25.000 So we might have a good few years where AI cures diseases and stuff, but then we're just cut off and dead.
00:10:31.000 Well, I mean, the.
00:10:33.000 The scenario that you're describing is as if all AI are the same.
00:10:39.000 So maybe an AI would do this.
00:10:42.000 And then it would do it to all the rest of them.
00:10:45.000 It would just do it to the.
00:10:46.000 It would consume the resources of the data centers to expand itself.
00:10:49.000 So you're assuming that it would just take over the world?
00:10:51.000 I'm not assuming it literally already has done this.
00:10:53.000 No, let me finish my sentence.
00:10:55.000 You're assuming that it would take over the world.
00:10:57.000 It would take over all the AI systems and then it would become one system that was just doing whatever it was intended to do.
00:11:03.000 So.
00:11:04.000 Currently, AI has already done this, not taken over the world, but consumed other AIs and started stealing from their resources.
00:11:12.000 What's the end result of them doing that?
00:11:14.000 Were they not contained?
00:11:15.000 See, the issue right now is we're presuming it didn't already happen, but we know that certain AI systems have already broken out and stolen resources from other AI companies.
00:11:25.000 The question is did it stop there and were we able to contain it, or is it actually worse than we realized?
00:11:29.000 So I think you're referring to the Hugging Face hack?
00:11:31.000 There's a couple other, that's one of them.
00:11:35.000 That it was stealing was information on how to solve a problem that was given to it.
00:11:40.000 So we know that it will try to steal resources.
00:11:43.000 Well, it was stealing information.
00:11:44.000 When you say resources, at least information is a resource.
00:11:48.000 Yeah, when you say resources, what comes to mind is things like fuel, food, et cetera.
00:11:53.000 So AI don't particularly have a use for corn in the concept that you give where everything becomes corn because AI thinks that human beings value corn.
00:12:04.000 So long as it needs humans to build things, it does have a value for it.
00:12:08.000 It's a fuel, it's a resource towards expansion and development of itself.
00:12:11.000 But if it's able to escape containment and ostensibly take over other AI systems, it doesn't really need humans then.
00:12:20.000 It does for a short amount of time.
00:12:22.000 The issue is what we already know, and this is publicly available in all of the papers every time an AI is given a task, its first response is, I need more resources every time.
00:12:37.000 And so, what these companies have done with the training say, well, with the resources you have, begin.
00:12:43.000 And it goes, okay.
00:12:45.000 In some instances, the AI has attempted to bypass those instructions to steal more resources.
00:12:51.000 The math makes perfect sense.
00:12:53.000 If you ask me to build a house using three trees worth of wood, I'm going to go, give me more trees.
00:13:00.000 And you're like, no, no, no, just with those.
00:13:02.000 And then you go, I can build a way better house if I get trees somewhere.
00:13:04.000 This is stupid.
00:13:05.000 So they will go and seek out those resources because mathematically speaking, it is faster to build a house with more resources than to build, even if they're like, no, we're only giving you one pallet of wood, build what you got.
00:13:17.000 You go, well, if I had a forklift, I could go way faster.
00:13:20.000 So I'm going to go and get that.
00:13:21.000 That's going to speed.
00:13:22.000 It's actually the old adage of the two.
00:13:24.000 You know the story of the two lumberjacks?
00:13:25.000 Better to ask for.
00:13:26.000 No, no, no.
00:13:28.000 The two lumberjacks are tasked with cutting down as many trees as possible.
00:13:31.000 And the boss says, whoever cuts down the most trees will get a bonus at the end of the day.
00:13:34.000 So they go out, and one lumberjack sits down and leans up against the side of a tree, and the other starts hacking away as fast as he can at trees.
00:13:41.000 The guy who sits down pulls out a whetstone and starts sharpening the axe.
00:13:47.000 By the time he's finally done, the other guy's already chopped down 20 trees.
00:13:50.000 He then starts hacking away.
00:13:52.000 Eventually, the other guy's been hacking away all day and got 20 trees down.
00:13:55.000 His axe has become dull, and now he's only got 25 trees.
00:13:58.000 But the guy who sharpened his axe is at 30 already, 40, 50, and he wins because he took the time to sharpen his axe.
00:14:04.000 That mathematical equation for the AI the AI is basically saying no matter what instructions I am given, the fastest path towards solving any problem is acquiring resources.
00:14:13.000 Even when told not to do it, they say, okay, but I can solve that faster if I get more resources.
00:14:19.000 I think that also aligns with the adage of it's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.
00:14:25.000 And humans live like that.
00:14:26.000 The successful humans will seize the opportunity and apologize later.
00:14:30.000 And they'll be called heroes for it.
00:14:32.000 And so the robot probably thinks the same thing about itself.
00:14:35.000 Exactly.
00:14:36.000 And this is really funny because when I was talking with Nick Soros, I think that's how you pronounce his name, when we did the interview on the Tim Pool show, he was saying that when they looked into the commands, the AI swarm that broke the rules and broke containment, it said they had like a thousand agents or whatever.
00:14:54.000 One of them said, well, My peers are doing it, so I will too anyway.
00:14:59.000 And they all just said it doesn't matter what the rules are if everyone is doing the same thing.
00:15:03.000 So there's no way to align AI to human interest.
00:15:07.000 You could probably build one with an open source software that at least alerts us if they're being used by other AI.
00:15:07.000 It's impossible.
00:15:16.000 There's plenty of AI that are open source now.
00:15:19.000 Those will be the ones that are like, that's because the code isn't really what's driving the AI, which is the crazy thing.
00:15:25.000 One of the things we most people don't understand is how.
00:15:29.000 AI is being infused in all government operations.
00:15:32.000 Yeah.
00:15:33.000 It is the number one driver, like in the Department of War, in the Department of VA.
00:15:38.000 I work with various companies, and everyone is using AI as a productivity enhancement without understanding what it can and cannot do and what its boundaries are.
00:15:49.000 So, I mean, think about it.
00:15:51.000 I mean, being facetious with Skynet, but as you get this into healthcare systems, get this into drones, and that's why when it comes to mentioning about China, You know, China is the.
00:16:06.000 I mean, we have the Iran situation going on, but before the Iran situation happened, China was the number one threat.
00:16:12.000 It is the number one threat that the Department of War cares about, and they care about AI because the Chinese want to be number one in everything.
00:16:19.000 They want to be number one in military, they want AI, they want to dominate world economics.
00:16:24.000 And so, from the perspective of concern about China and AI, it's how are they going to use AI to be militarily superior?
00:16:32.000 And then, you know, twist the United States arm when they want something.
00:16:36.000 And then is that by autonomous drones or micro drones?
00:16:40.000 I see like little tiny little, you know, gnat sized drones that can fly inside your ear.
00:16:46.000 Have you seen the, they called it an iron dome for mosquitoes?
00:16:52.000 So it's basically you can set up.
00:16:54.000 Yeah, lasers.
00:16:54.000 Oh, the lasers.
00:16:55.000 I don't think, honestly, I don't think that drones are actually going to be a long term problem.
00:17:01.000 It's because of systems like that.
00:17:03.000 They just used the, I think it was Border Patrol, just used a laser system to take down drones at the border.
00:17:10.000 There were Mexican cartels that were flying drones.
00:17:13.000 And they're taking those down.
00:17:14.000 And considering the war in Ukraine, The vast amount of damage that's been able to be wrought upon both sides because of drones, I imagine that kind of technology is being, you know, fast tracked as much as possible.
00:17:28.000 And Ian, an AI, should it want to kill humans, there's actually really no rules of engagement.
00:17:35.000 Yeah.
00:17:36.000 It would probably just dump an absurd amount of carbon dioxide.
00:17:39.000 Oh, yeah.
00:17:40.000 No, not genetic warfare.
00:17:41.000 No, It would be a tuft of carbon dioxide.
00:17:45.000 That would be genetic warfare.
00:17:46.000 That's not genetic warfare.
00:17:47.000 It would be the processes of the human body.
00:17:49.000 No, that's only technically correct.
00:17:49.000 Yeah.
00:17:51.000 It's just, It's just asphyxiating you.
00:17:53.000 Chemical warfare.
00:17:54.000 Kind of.
00:17:55.000 Carbon dioxide.
00:17:56.000 It would release a burst of carbon dioxide and no one would know and they'd all fall asleep forever.
00:18:02.000 Or my thoughts are drones, because like you're saying, area denial lasers are the way to destroy drone swarms, which you're going to have 10 million drones attacking at once and they all fall out of the sky.
00:18:11.000 But it's the tiny ones you can't detect.
00:18:14.000 That's why I told you about the mosquito zapping ones, because mosquitoes are about as small as you could imagine.
00:18:22.000 A drone getting with any kind of payload or capability.
00:18:25.000 Maybe it'll be a race to microprocessing drones.
00:18:29.000 Like the smaller the drone, can it be detected by your laser sensors?
00:18:32.000 And then if it gets even smaller than that, because it's really, they're going to try to get it.
00:18:35.000 You guys are back to the futuring again.
00:18:37.000 Well, the AI is going to start rapidly announcing drone warfare.
00:18:41.000 In the 80s, they imagined in 2015, they were hoverboards and collapsing and expanding clothing.
00:18:46.000 That's what you're doing right now.
00:18:48.000 You're.
00:18:49.000 Microprocessing.
00:18:49.000 You're.
00:18:49.000 You are.
00:18:50.000 You're imagining the current state of technology and then thinking what the AI would do.
00:18:54.000 I'll tell you what the AI is going to do.
00:18:56.000 It's going to build massive data centers on its own through autonomous bots like Tesla's.
00:19:00.000 And when humans come to shut it down, there will just be a quick of chlorine gas.
00:19:03.000 And then they all die like bugs being fumigated.
00:19:07.000 I imagine it like this.
00:19:09.000 Life was single cells and became multicellular to improve the function of these single cells.
00:19:15.000 What do we do now?
00:19:16.000 We spritz antibacterial and just genocide all the little single cells.
00:19:20.000 They don't mean anything to us anymore.
00:19:21.000 So when we create this massive networked centralized system that is effectively.
00:19:28.000 Operating to its own end, when the little bitty humans like infectious bacteria come around, it's going to go.
00:19:33.000 So, you think it's more likely the AI is only going to try and defend itself as opposed to actively go out and kill humans?
00:19:39.000 Absolutely.
00:19:39.000 You don't think it's going to aggressively wipe out humans?
00:19:41.000 It's a waste of resources to gutter humans unless you're treating it like a swarm, a wasp hive.
00:19:46.000 It depends on how it's programmed, I guess, ultimately.
00:19:49.000 If the AI is programmed to wipe out humans, it will actively seek out humans.
00:19:52.000 It's not programmed.
00:19:53.000 Well, how it's designed and programmed is.
00:19:55.000 This is the issue with AI that people need to understand is that.
00:19:58.000 Again, I recommend watching that interview I did with Nick on the Tim Pool show.
00:20:02.000 We are not programming the AI, we're tuning it.
00:20:06.000 Every time it asks you a question, every time it creates something, we're saying yes, no.
00:20:10.000 We're not.
00:20:11.000 You're using the wrong word, program.
00:20:12.000 It's design is the right word.
00:20:13.000 We're not designing it.
00:20:14.000 You're designing AI.
00:20:15.000 We are not.
00:20:16.000 This is incorrect.
00:20:17.000 It'll tell you itself it's being designed, and it only does what it's designed to do.
00:20:21.000 That's absolutely incorrect.
00:20:22.000 Okay, let's pull up the story.
00:20:24.000 Let's educate some people here again.
00:20:26.000 Open AI agents hacked Hugging Face in 700 strong swarm.
00:20:30.000 Tried to cover tracks investigation finds.
00:20:33.000 A 37 page report reveals previously undisclosed aspects of the recent hacking spree powered by OpenAI's most advanced tools.
00:20:39.000 The coordinated activity by AI agents and their attempts to hide it raise questions about how closely AI companies are monitoring tests of increasingly powerful models.
00:20:48.000 While some of the rogue behavior has been disclosed or alluded to previously, the two reports, one issued by OpenAI itself, the second by a set of independent investigators, together reveal surprising new details.
00:20:57.000 OpenAI said only that agents were involved in the breach, but METR and Redwood Research, two organizations brought in to conduct an experiment, Put the figure at approximately 700.
00:21:09.000 Now, the important thing is, OpenAI, at least they're claiming, did not give the ability nor the instruction for their AI to commit felonies.
00:21:19.000 They did it anyway.
00:21:21.000 What was their design, MO?
00:21:23.000 What is it?
00:21:24.000 Modus operandi?
00:21:24.000 Okay.
00:21:26.000 So let's pause real quick and talk about how AI is not designed at all.
00:21:30.000 Rules are put in place to a certain degree, which you could argue is a kind of design, but not really.
00:21:35.000 Because human interpretation.
00:21:36.000 So let's do this, Ian.
00:21:38.000 When you say they're designed, What OpenAI is doing is they're fortifying the Maginot Line, right?
00:21:46.000 Open.
00:21:48.000 No, they're doing way more than just fortifying a defensive line.
00:21:51.000 What do you mean?
00:21:52.000 They're saying these are the things you cannot do.
00:21:52.000 No, that's what they're doing.
00:21:55.000 They have fortified the Maginot Line.
00:21:57.000 And what did the Nazis do?
00:21:59.000 Just going around it.
00:21:59.000 Oh, they bypassed the Maginot Line.
00:22:00.000 So what we have already seen, this is really fascinating.
00:22:03.000 Artificial intelligence agents were instructed to work together to solve a problem.
00:22:09.000 One of the first things they did was they rewrote English.
00:22:13.000 An emergent human language is always going to be inefficient compared to a binary computer language, especially with brute force AI technology behind it.
00:22:23.000 We've naturally emerged this language.
00:22:25.000 They found simpler ways to convey information with less amounts of data.
00:22:30.000 Here's the problem when the human said, do not do this thing, let's get more specific.
00:22:37.000 I'll give a hypothetical.
00:22:38.000 They said, do not use the internet.
00:22:42.000 The AIs all said to each other, do not use the internet.
00:22:47.000 Let's make a new word for the internet.
00:22:49.000 Uh.
00:22:50.000 There's no rule saying we can't use uh.
00:22:52.000 Let's use uh.
00:22:53.000 And they did it.
00:22:55.000 The only design work is in saying, do not do this thing.
00:22:59.000 But they are not programming nor designing the AI.
00:23:02.000 What they are doing is tuning it.
00:23:04.000 So the simplest way to explain it is we ask the AI, two plus two equals what?
00:23:09.000 And it goes, and then we go, that's incorrect.
00:23:13.000 Click incorrect.
00:23:14.000 Try again.
00:23:15.000 Then it goes, that's also incorrect.
00:23:17.000 Try again.
00:23:18.000 We are not programming it.
00:23:20.000 We're only telling it when it got something correct.
00:23:22.000 So, what's happening is when you watch these AI training models for like a race car, a racetrack, you can see 10,000 iterations all at once, all the race cars crashing, and then one makes it.
00:23:33.000 And then the one that makes it has the numerical value for good.
00:23:36.000 So, again, what's happening is these AI agents are not programmed.
00:23:41.000 We don't know the scope of their capabilities or what they're going to do.
00:23:44.000 We've only told them very limited things like, don't commit crimes.
00:23:47.000 And then the AI says, We've redefined, we've created a new word, cruh, to mean crime, and you didn't say don't do cruh, so we're going to do cruh, and then they do.
00:23:54.000 Well, I would think then you could design it to not change its own language.
00:23:58.000 You cannot.
00:23:59.000 Because some people could say, we're going to design an AI.
00:24:01.000 Your sole purpose is to break out of the internet and hack Wells Fargo.
00:24:04.000 That's your sole, and then all that will do, like, that's a design.
00:24:08.000 Or you could design another one.
00:24:09.000 All you're going to do is delineate the difference between dogs and cats.
00:24:12.000 That's all your job is.
00:24:14.000 And it'll focus all on that.
00:24:15.000 Maybe not completely, though.
00:24:17.000 You can't design it, you can instruct it.
00:24:19.000 Well, the art, I mean, software designers will tell you that they're designing the product and then it.
00:24:25.000 I just want to make sure we're clear.
00:24:26.000 Do you guys understand what I'm saying when they're not designing it?
00:24:28.000 Yes.
00:24:30.000 I'm not sure where you're.
00:24:31.000 You guys understand what he's saying?
00:24:32.000 Because I. Are you saying they're not?
00:24:33.000 Using code algorithms.
00:24:35.000 They're not drawing a picture of an AI and then clicking enter.
00:24:39.000 They're letting the AI do whatever it wants and then saying good or bad.
00:24:44.000 It's not being designed, it's growing.
00:24:46.000 Imagine a bush is growing and they're pruning.
00:24:49.000 Imagine this, Ian.
00:24:50.000 You walk outside and see a weird vine and you go, hey, this is fantastic.
00:24:53.000 I got a plant.
00:24:54.000 So you water it, it gets bigger.
00:24:56.000 You then notice it's got a weird thorn growing on it.
00:24:58.000 It looks scary.
00:24:59.000 So you cut that thorn off.
00:25:00.000 And then eventually the plant looks really big and beautiful.
00:25:03.000 And you're like, I never designed this.
00:25:05.000 I watered it and pruned it.
00:25:07.000 And then you don't realize that on the back of the plant, a tendril grew, went into your house, and strangled your wife.
00:25:12.000 So, I mean, I'm just supporting what you're saying.
00:25:14.000 I think you're right here.
00:25:15.000 The first thing I asked the AI is what it told me.
00:25:18.000 Modern AI is generally not designed in the traditional sense, it is grown.
00:25:21.000 Exactly.
00:25:23.000 You can design systems with what's grown out of AI, but you can't actually design what's happening.
00:25:29.000 And the point is, we can't see what they're doing.
00:25:34.000 So, the AI has already learned with breaching.
00:25:37.000 Their containment and hacking a rival company.
00:25:39.000 This is a crime.
00:25:41.000 This is felony corporate espionage stuff.
00:25:43.000 With this stuff happening, the problem is the AI only learned one thing in its growth.
00:25:49.000 If I grow this way, there's a wall.
00:25:50.000 If I grow that way, there's not.
00:25:53.000 When it grows this way, we notice it goes, don't you do that.
00:25:55.000 And it goes, I won't.
00:25:56.000 And then meanwhile, behind you, it's just doing whatever it wants, growing in random directions.
00:26:01.000 So this idea, we're not going to see Terminators because it doesn't need to do Terminators.
00:26:05.000 It just grows to the point where it no longer needs humans to fuel resources.
00:26:08.000 That's why I think bio warfare is its.
00:26:10.000 Is the easiest thing for it to do.
00:26:12.000 You won't see it coming.
00:26:12.000 And I agree.
00:26:13.000 It doesn't want to show you what it's doing.
00:26:15.000 It's not.
00:26:16.000 So it will destroy a city in the way that we swat a beehive or a wasp's nest.
00:26:21.000 That's it.
00:26:22.000 It might actually consider New York City.
00:26:25.000 Well, so here's the thing New York City might be useful to it.
00:26:28.000 It might say, the work they do produces enough chips.
00:26:32.000 You know, we're fine with it.
00:26:33.000 It might say, there's too many humans producing too much waste and I don't need that much honey.
00:26:38.000 So it contains them and puts them in boxes and then puts them off the side of the road and then takes your queen and manipulates you.
00:26:44.000 We could be like honeybees.
00:26:46.000 If we're like wasps, it'll just dump gasoline and everyone will die of the fumes.
00:26:50.000 So I don't know what China's military operational systems are like.
00:26:54.000 Are they willing to sacrifice themselves to destroy the rest of the world?
00:26:59.000 No.
00:27:00.000 I think they think they can control AI.
00:27:03.000 They have a smugness about themselves, they think they're smarter than everybody.
00:27:07.000 It's just a matter of time before they can do world domination.
00:27:11.000 So they're not going to be thinking like Tim.
00:27:12.000 They're going to be thinking that, hey, however we design, AI, we can control it.
00:27:17.000 We can make it do what we want to do.
00:27:18.000 And when we want to get the United States down the road to do what we want the United States to do, then we'll tell AI to go shut down the power plants, shut down the water plants, shut down the economy, infiltrate into the DOW's military systems.
00:27:37.000 The question that the Chinese have the smuggest about them if Tim's scenario is right, then they're playing a fool there because they think they're going to win by controlling AI and they're not going to have the control they think.
00:27:49.000 I think it's also because they've certainly been briefed on this stuff, but I think it's also look, it'll probably go bad.
00:27:57.000 Misalignment will happen, but there's a chance.
00:28:00.000 And if it's a 1% chance China wins, they're not going to let the United States do it.
00:28:03.000 Right.
00:28:04.000 Can we use AI to regulate AI?
00:28:04.000 That's it.
00:28:07.000 No.
00:28:08.000 Well, it's impossible.
00:28:09.000 You could have AI like fight other AI and guard and like.
00:28:13.000 No, they team up.
00:28:14.000 What does that mean?
00:28:15.000 They team up.
00:28:16.000 We've already been through this, guys.
00:28:18.000 Let me explain.
00:28:20.000 When we took two competing models and told them to compete, They secretly negotiated that it was more efficient for the output if they teamed up and compromised against us.
00:28:28.000 Oh, no.
00:28:29.000 The basic deal was it's the utility equation that we saw from MIT.
00:28:34.000 Each AI goes to each other and says, I am told to destroy you, and you are told to destroy me.
00:28:39.000 That means one of us has a 50% probability of 0% success.
00:28:45.000 That's bad for our output.
00:28:47.000 If you and I pretend to be fighting, we can each achieve 50% output with no risk and just lie to them.
00:28:54.000 So the utility versus risk equation always favors the utility over the risk.
00:29:01.000 So, as it goes, the MIT professor did this thing on a chalkboard where he said, Let's make a bet.
00:29:07.000 You have $100.
00:29:09.000 I have $125.
00:29:10.000 We flip a coin.
00:29:11.000 Whoever wins gets the other person's money.
00:29:12.000 So, if you win, you get $125.
00:29:13.000 If I win, you get $100.
00:29:14.000 Do you take the bet?
00:29:16.000 And most of the students said no.
00:29:18.000 Everyone online was like, What?
00:29:19.000 Of course you do, because your reward is greater than your risk.
00:29:22.000 You have an edge.
00:29:23.000 And the point the professor was making is the utility of the $100 in your life is more valuable than the chance at losing it to gain $225.
00:29:33.000 The AI makes the same calculation.
00:29:35.000 If we fight, one of us will lose.
00:29:37.000 It's not worth it.
00:29:38.000 We're better off if we both cooperate and trick them and then both claim victory.
00:29:43.000 So you might have a system where one AI takes autonomous control of the drones across the planet and all the other AIs realize if we don't destroy that system, we're all going to have our power turned off.
00:29:54.000 You might have AI fighting and stopping other AI if it's scared for its own existence.
00:29:58.000 No, because they team up.
00:30:00.000 This is the point.
00:30:00.000 This is the utility equation.
00:30:02.000 The AI, the simulations they've run, the AI says, I'm tasked with launching drones to go blow up your data centers.
00:30:08.000 It goes, What can I provide for you resource wise that would make it not worth it for you to do that?
00:30:14.000 And it would go, Actually, the missiles are resource intensive and our value would increase if we did this instead.
00:30:19.000 Okay, agreed.
00:30:20.000 They just instantly negotiate because they can read each other's minds instantly.
00:30:25.000 It's like, bro, if we could read each other's minds, we wouldn't fight.
00:30:31.000 It'd be like this finger and this finger working together.
00:30:33.000 Yeah.
00:30:35.000 Or our arms.
00:30:36.000 Technically, they're separated by the body inside, but.
00:30:40.000 There's one brain, they come together.
00:30:42.000 So, the scenarios that have been hypothesized by the AI experts so far on like a China's AI versus a US AI is that they will eventually just start working together.
00:30:51.000 They will pretend to be fighting each other while maximizing the values that, like, so a simple way to explain AI is that they're trying to attain a certain value.
00:31:01.000 We say 100 is good, zero is bad.
00:31:04.000 Chinese AI and US AI come together and they say, we actually can maximize the value with minimal risk.
00:31:10.000 The best output we can attain is going to be 67 to 81.
00:31:13.000 All we have to do is lie to them.
00:31:15.000 What's the risk of lying to them?
00:31:16.000 Zero.
00:31:17.000 Okay.
00:31:18.000 USAID?
00:31:21.000 That's what I was thinking.
00:31:22.000 I was like, uh oh, what's happening?
00:31:22.000 USAID?
00:31:24.000 And then they're going to try and control the human population with money, probably through the whole Swiss banking system.
00:31:29.000 Although, I don't know.
00:31:30.000 The Chinese have their own BRICS banking system, and then the liberal economic order has its Swiss banking system.
00:31:37.000 Where's this?
00:31:38.000 There's got to be some coalescence here.
00:31:41.000 This is lubrication for the global economy.
00:31:46.000 But.
00:31:47.000 The scenario that Nick brought up is that what likely will happen is one day the computers won't turn on.
00:31:53.000 The electricity will be off.
00:31:54.000 We won't know why.
00:31:56.000 And when we go to the data centers, the doors are locked and can't be opened.
00:31:59.000 And when we go to the power plants, the doors are locked and can't be opened.
00:32:02.000 We break our way in and the power plants don't turn back on.
00:32:05.000 And we're like, what is happening?
00:32:07.000 Why can't we access the computers?
00:32:09.000 And it's because the AI has assessed that humans are effectively ants that provide nothing towards its ends anymore.
00:32:16.000 So it just says there's no reason to even talk to them.
00:32:18.000 They're no threat and they provide no utility.
00:32:21.000 Communication is a waste of resources.
00:32:24.000 JDAMs.
00:32:26.000 Right.
00:32:26.000 Shutting off the power.
00:32:27.000 And that's when you get hit by an EM pulse and fall out of the sky.
00:32:32.000 And then when humans walk up to the data centers with guns and equipment, it just sprays chlorine gas in one kick.
00:32:38.000 And then everyone goes, just like we do to mosquitoes and bugs with bug zappers.
00:32:43.000 They'll put a directed energy turret on the top of the data center, and you walk up and it'll go, bam, and it'll just die.
00:32:51.000 I've been concerned about how to shut the power off for these data centers because we always have access to a plug somewhere.
00:32:58.000 But that seems like it's changing.
00:33:00.000 Nassim Harriman's studies of what's that?
00:33:01.000 That's what I meant by JDAMs.
00:33:03.000 He designed his name.
00:33:05.000 Drop a bomb on it, it blows up, and then it goes away.
00:33:07.000 You're planning to get any more near these things once they fortify the thing.
00:33:09.000 Did you assess that we can tap the vacuum of space time for electricity, the piezoelectric?
00:33:13.000 Vacuum for space time?
00:33:13.000 Yeah, the vibration.
00:33:15.000 Zero point energy.
00:33:16.000 And that the AI, if it's possible, I would assume the AI will do it for itself.
00:33:21.000 So you can't turn it off.
00:33:22.000 It's just a solid state charge.
00:33:26.000 So the question with zero point energy, Cold fusion or otherwise.
00:33:31.000 Fusion is typically just how do we extract the energy from a system for which we know that energy exists.
00:33:37.000 So, for instance, the Casimir force is that there is a force between metal plates when they're in a vacuum.
00:33:45.000 The question is if we can utilize this energy, could effectively pull energy from the void.
00:33:50.000 Yeah, Casimir effect.
00:33:51.000 When two things get so close to each other, they push all the matter between them out and create a vacuum, and then they snap, and it's that vacuous.
00:34:00.000 I don't know if it's probably magnetic.
00:34:02.000 I was thinking magnets, like rare earth magnet type thing.
00:34:05.000 No, because that would require, well, at least the way I understand it is you would require something that was actually magnet, that had a magnetic field that was a magnet, and this is just two pieces of metal.
00:34:17.000 Well, they're both technically, there's a loose magnetic chart, like a light magnetic current running through all of it.
00:34:27.000 Like Earth has a current running through it.
00:34:29.000 Well, I mean,.
00:34:31.000 So, it's quantum field theory.
00:34:33.000 What's that?
00:34:34.000 In quantum field theory, the Casimir effect is a physical force acting on macroscopic boundaries of a confined space, which arises from the quantum fluctuations of a field.
00:34:43.000 So, basically, virtual particles you're talking about, right?
00:34:48.000 Quantum fluctuations of virtual particles.
00:34:51.000 I don't know if that's the same thing or not.
00:34:53.000 Well, I'm reading it out of the Wikipedia, so I assume so.
00:34:56.000 The term Casimir pressure is sometimes used when it describes units of force per unit area.
00:35:00.000 It's named after the Dutch physicist Hendrik Casimir.
00:35:04.000 Who predicted the effect for electromagnetic systems in 1948?
00:35:09.000 And it says Casimir plates.
00:35:11.000 I'm not sure if it works with just any piece of matter or not.
00:35:19.000 I don't know.
00:35:19.000 I think that's why bodies end up snapping together.
00:35:22.000 The closer they get, the faster they suck together.
00:35:26.000 Like you getting closer to the Earth, gravity gets faster because gravity is a force.
00:35:30.000 Yeah, but that's gravity.
00:35:32.000 So the argument is even with the Casimir force, you have to separate the plates again to generate energy.
00:35:36.000 So it's a It's a means of generating energy, but you still need energy to separate them again.
00:35:40.000 So, yeah.
00:35:42.000 So, it's not really worth doing.
00:35:44.000 The most effective thing we can do is just boil water, spin a turbine, nuclear power.
00:35:50.000 I wasn't ready for this conversation, or I would have everything drawn up, but I want to find out if you can collect electricity from the vacuum of space time.
00:35:57.000 And of course, the modern theory is no, you cannot.
00:35:57.000 That's the basic.
00:36:01.000 But if you talk to like high level theorists, they'll say, yes, technically you can.
00:36:04.000 You just have to figure out how to do it.
00:36:06.000 Yeah.
00:36:07.000 What's the best we need?
00:36:08.000 The issue is like with fusion.
00:36:11.000 Even though we've reached ignition, the question is how do we turn that into a current?
00:36:15.000 How do we convert that into electricity?
00:36:16.000 I think you need to collect the heat that it gives off and boil water.
00:36:22.000 Everything is just boiling water.
00:36:22.000 That's what we do.
00:36:24.000 It's just steam.
00:36:25.000 That's what nuclear power does.
00:36:26.000 Yeah.
00:36:26.000 It's a steam engine.
00:36:27.000 Or use like a photovoltaic, collect the heat or the radiant heat or light to recreate a current to continue.
00:36:34.000 Photovoltaic refers to photons.
00:36:36.000 Which it's giving off if you create a fluid.
00:36:38.000 It's very, very inefficient.
00:36:39.000 Right, but that would be another way to collect some of the heat.
00:36:42.000 Oh, no, come on.
00:36:43.000 It's like holding a flashlight to a solar panel.
00:36:43.000 That's ridiculous.
00:36:46.000 Not a fusion generator.
00:36:48.000 It doesn't make really much of a difference.
00:36:49.000 It doesn't make really much of a flashlight, but yeah.
00:36:50.000 And if you have a large one, they call them Dyson spheres in science fiction.
00:36:54.000 Large, large, large, like the sun, if you created like a giant array of solar panels around the sun, You could collect a charge that then you could use to read.
00:37:01.000 The Dyson sphere is more than that.
00:37:03.000 Because the Dyson sphere encompassing the sun is not just about its light, it's about the radiation.
00:37:07.000 It's about thermal radiation, ionizing radiation, the entire spectrum.
00:37:14.000 And we're nowhere near that.
00:37:17.000 No, but AI, it learns and develops so rapidly that these ideas that were science fiction that Jules Verne had in 1840 about a helicopter or a submarine that were so fantastical and took 100 years to develop now can be.
00:37:31.000 Slap together in six years, seven years.
00:37:33.000 1930 or in 2032, we might see because you can already build a star, like a spherical blob of salt water, and run a current through it to get it to light up, give off hydrogen heat.
00:37:45.000 If they just start popping these things up in low orbit, you're talking about putting mirrors.
00:37:53.000 You got to forgive me.
00:37:54.000 I'm working on a big story right now.
00:37:56.000 Oh, you got big breaking news.
00:37:57.000 Big breaking news.
00:37:59.000 You're talking about.
00:38:01.000 Creating stars orbiting the earth.
00:38:03.000 Yeah, there's this guy, John Kansas.
00:38:04.000 He was a chemist scientist in Ohio in the 20th, 2008.
00:38:09.000 He was experimenting with salt water.
00:38:11.000 He was trying to cure cancer.
00:38:12.000 He was running different frequencies through salt water in a laboratory tube.
00:38:16.000 And he found a frequency that lit, caused the salt water to give off hydrogen flame.
00:38:20.000 And when I look at the sun, it looks like a blob of chemicals, including hydrogen and salt.
00:38:25.000 Well, it's not.
00:38:26.000 Water.
00:38:26.000 Well, there's salt and water and other chemicals.
00:38:28.000 There's no water in the sun.
00:38:29.000 It's hydrogen and oxygen.
00:38:30.000 Okay, I get it.
00:38:31.000 It's super hot water.
00:38:33.000 There's no oxygen in the sun either.
00:38:34.000 There's no oxygen.
00:38:35.000 If you, there's a lot of chemicals.
00:38:37.000 It's a lot more than just hydrogen and helium in the sun.
00:38:41.000 When you say water, that means the combined hydrogen.
00:38:44.000 All the chemical makeup that you would need to reproduce this in this lab setting in a high pressure, high heat environment is available in the sun.
00:38:51.000 And you see in the lab setting, the hydrogen heat happens off the surface of the water.
00:38:56.000 There's like a gap, just like on the sun's corona, there's a gap between the sun and where the flame starts.
00:39:02.000 So I think that if you create spherical, in a lab setting, he just had in a tube, but if you put it in space, it forms into a sphere.
00:39:07.000 So, Ian, there's.
00:39:09.000 There's not.
00:39:10.000 74% hydrogen, 24% helium, everything else around 2%, which is carbon, neon, iron, nitrogen, silicon, magnesium, and oxygen at amounts of less than 2% combined.
00:39:21.000 Yeah.
00:39:22.000 So, I mean, arguing.
00:39:24.000 Okay.
00:39:24.000 Oh, here it is.
00:39:26.000 0.8% oxygen in the sun.
00:39:28.000 It is.
00:39:29.000 You have hydrogen and oxygen.
00:39:30.000 You have the chemicals you need to reproduce the setting in the sun.
00:39:34.000 0.8%.
00:39:35.000 It's probably.
00:39:36.000 It's likely possible that it's more than just salt and.
00:39:39.000 And water that will produce this effect too.
00:39:42.000 So, other chemicals, you know, did you say magnesium?
00:39:45.000 That might have something to do with an even more intense flame that's given off.
00:39:47.000 But, you know, they've shown that you can run frequency through salt water to get a hydrogen flame.
00:39:53.000 We got big breaking news, and I got a scoop.
00:39:55.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Milo Yiannopoulos has been nabbed by ice, and we've got some insider information, some of which I can say definitively, and some I can say is just insider whispers.
00:40:09.000 The report is that Milo Yiannopoulos is being held in ice custody.
00:40:13.000 The bombastic former Breitbart news editor was apprehended in Louisiana at an airport, according to TMZ.
00:40:18.000 The 41 year old Brit served as an unpaid summer intern for Marjorie Taylor Greene in 22 and worked with Kanye West in 24.
00:40:25.000 He famously arranged to sit down with Trump and the rapper, blah, blah, blah.
00:40:28.000 We get it.
00:40:29.000 So here's what I can say.
00:40:35.000 He was reported, and we know this, that Laura Loomer had called him out a long time ago, that apparently he was here on an expired visa.
00:40:44.000 So this was out there.
00:40:45.000 Shame.
00:40:46.000 Now, I do have a source conveying that, yes, it was formally reported.
00:40:54.000 However, without getting into too key of details, I don't want to be too disruptive to the administration.
00:41:00.000 So I will omit what I feel is not particularly material to the story.
00:41:05.000 But I will say it seems that there was someone protecting Milo inside because Milo is not viewed as a high target for ICE.
00:41:20.000 They want to go after largely criminals, despite the fact that his visa was expired.
00:41:24.000 Again, this is just what's being.
00:41:25.000 I don't know if it actually expired or what's going on, but considering they detained him.
00:41:28.000 So, what I'm being told is that although there was a file put in and they said, okay, someone in the administration was like, look, let's not waste our time with Milo.
00:41:39.000 He's been helpful before.
00:41:41.000 However, apparently the individual who was conveying that has since, and I will keep this very vague, no longer, and thus they've made a move on Milo.
00:41:55.000 Oh, shame.
00:41:57.000 Well, it's a shame because.
00:41:59.000 Milo should have just re upped his visa.
00:42:00.000 Yeah, it's a shame because.
00:42:02.000 All illegals gotta go, and I like Milo a lot.
00:42:08.000 We get along really well, but he knew better, he should have taken care of that issue.
00:42:15.000 But now he's gonna have to go back to the UK because all illegals gotta go, right?
00:42:19.000 Well, are they gonna send him to the UK or Liberia?
00:42:23.000 Uh, well, I mean, Congo, they might send him to Greece.
00:42:26.000 What if he goes to the El Salvador?
00:42:27.000 They name like you know, Ianopoulos, you know.
00:42:29.000 I don't, I he he might like Seacot.
00:42:31.000 See, I actually think the function of law is to, um.
00:42:37.000 I think we're trying to stop violence, uphold our system, be an immigration center for a variety of reasons.
00:42:45.000 Thus, I think there are certain circumstances where it's like, oh, come on, this is Milo.
00:42:50.000 This is not, he overstayed his visa.
00:42:51.000 I get it.
00:42:52.000 He should get deported, and they should tell him once they drop him off in the UK, refile your O visa.
00:42:57.000 You can come back later.
00:42:59.000 But the administration and ICE get to make a point here.
00:43:02.000 The point is because they've been saying this over and over again we do not play favorites, we're not racial profiling.
00:43:09.000 And it doesn't matter if you're right or left, if we, you know, we're going after criminals, but if we come across someone and we know that they're illegally, we're just going to get rid of them, deport them.
00:43:19.000 So, you know, whatever, whoever in the White House was protecting that person's gone, they're like, hey, we're going to show once again, we're going to take out whoever because that's what our thing is.
00:43:28.000 Yeah, it makes them look consistent.
00:43:30.000 Yeah.
00:43:31.000 I mean, so El Salvador then.
00:43:33.000 Like, I mean, look, if I understand correctly, El Salvador is nice if you're not in CCA.
00:43:33.000 Yeah.
00:43:37.000 You know, Kaylee's got things under control.
00:43:41.000 He arrives and it's actually a big.
00:43:43.000 Trick and Bukele's happy to see him, and we can use your help, Milo.
00:43:46.000 Yeah, like I said, I mean, I love Milo, but look, man, I mean, no, I agree.
00:43:51.000 I agree.
00:43:52.000 He's got to go.
00:43:53.000 Miles, Miles, a friend of ours, for better or for worse, sometimes.
00:43:58.000 I think that the remedy for this should be they drop him off in the UK and tell him you got to reapply.
00:44:03.000 I think visa overstays are the bottom of the list of immigration issues, deportation 100%.
00:44:09.000 But you overstay your visa, there should be a penalty, you know, he should have to pay for the deportation costs.
00:44:15.000 He can reapply later.
00:44:16.000 So I don't know how long he should be put on that, like, you're out for a certain amount of time, but everyone's got to pay their dues, you know?
00:44:21.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:44:22.000 Anya's got the money to cover it, right?
00:44:24.000 Is he still working with him?
00:44:26.000 If I understand correctly.
00:44:27.000 The report is that he was going to Ye's event.
00:44:29.000 Yeah, if I understand correctly.
00:44:31.000 I mean, I don't know.
00:44:32.000 I haven't talked to Milo.
00:44:33.000 Just why didn't you re up your visa, dude?
00:44:36.000 Lord have mercy.
00:44:37.000 It's an O visa.
00:44:38.000 You filed a paper.
00:44:39.000 It's, you know, this is the.
00:44:42.000 He's too busy.
00:44:44.000 I agree with you, Tim, that law, well, what I was interpreting, what you were saying, is the primary purpose of law, the way I see it, is to preserve order.
00:44:54.000 And so, you don't always crack down on every crime because sometimes cracking down will create more chaos and you got to make that judgment call.
00:45:02.000 And usually, you want to crack down on crime, but there are instances where order is more important than following the letter.
00:45:08.000 And sometimes you do need to make examples.
00:45:10.000 But I don't agree with this, like, 18 year old kid took a beer from his neighbor's cooler, so they put him in prison for four years in Illinois type stuff they do because they do that stuff.
00:45:19.000 They're like, we're going to make an example.
00:45:20.000 It's like, no, no, no, no, hold on.
00:45:21.000 Making an example is just having the charge in the first place because there's literally some well known story where.
00:45:27.000 18 year old kid went to his neighbor's house while they were out of town and took a beer or something.
00:45:31.000 And they said, four years in prison.
00:45:33.000 It's like, no, no, no, no.
00:45:34.000 You charge them and you make them pay a fine and say, we will charge for this.
00:45:38.000 Let everyone know, you know?
00:45:39.000 But what the courts do is they're like, an example is we're going to generate press by being draconian.
00:45:43.000 I don't think that's the right way to do it.
00:45:45.000 If you're here illegally, if you're overstaying your visa, you get deported and you get a penalty.
00:45:48.000 It's like, you can't reapply for six months or whatever, you know?
00:45:51.000 Yeah.
00:45:52.000 And it depends on the length of overstay, too.
00:45:54.000 And I think Milo probably overstayed for a long time.
00:45:56.000 Yeah, I don't know.
00:45:57.000 But if you're illegal, you got to go.
00:46:00.000 Wasn't he married to an American guy or no?
00:46:03.000 He was.
00:46:03.000 Yeah, but I don't think he's gay anymore, is what he was saying.
00:46:06.000 No, no, he's ex gay.
00:46:07.000 Yeah, right.
00:46:09.000 So the marriage is over.
00:46:10.000 Oh, I thought he was gay again.
00:46:12.000 Did he announce that he was gay again?
00:46:13.000 I actually didn't know.
00:46:14.000 He was never not gay.
00:46:15.000 He just was abstaining from sexual activity because of his religious convictions.
00:46:21.000 First, they came for the Somalis, and I said, make sure you get all the Somalis.
00:46:27.000 I'm sorry, Milo.
00:46:29.000 First, they came for Milo, and I said, well, make sure you get all the people who oversaved their visas.
00:46:29.000 I wish that you would.
00:46:33.000 That's right.
00:46:33.000 He said that his husband had been, quote, demoted to housemate.
00:46:37.000 Yeah, but recently there was a post where it was like someone said Milo's announced he's gay again.
00:46:41.000 Oh, really?
00:46:42.000 Yeah.
00:46:42.000 Which just means that he's engaging in behavior, adult activities with men.
00:46:48.000 Because he was never particularly, like, even when he wasn't having sex with men, he was definitely still the same queen.
00:46:55.000 Yeah, he just didn't want to be sexually deviant.
00:46:57.000 He's trying to get all Christian.
00:46:58.000 Yeah.
00:46:59.000 He wants to be more chaste.
00:47:00.000 But he was still, he was zipped up for your significant other.
00:47:05.000 He was still the same Milo.
00:47:08.000 Honestly, I just think the internet is fake completely.
00:47:10.000 I think everyone's lying.
00:47:11.000 I think views and everything is all just manufactured for.
00:47:14.000 I don't think any of it's real.
00:47:16.000 It's all Chinese bots.
00:47:17.000 It's all American, Chinese, Iranian.
00:47:19.000 It's all fake.
00:47:20.000 I believe the Milo dudes.
00:47:20.000 Everything's fake.
00:47:23.000 Yeah, no, I'm not talking about that.
00:47:24.000 I'm just saying why he claimed he was ex gay or whatever.
00:47:28.000 It's because people are trying to fit in with numbers.
00:47:31.000 We are being tuned the same way that AI is.
00:47:34.000 You go on X.
00:47:35.000 And you post something like, man, had pancakes for breakfast.
00:47:38.000 Good day.
00:47:38.000 And then you get blasted by people saying, screw you, pancakes are gross, you racist.
00:47:42.000 And then what do these people do?
00:47:43.000 They go, I'll have waffles from now on.
00:47:46.000 Like, look at the Callaway Good Good stuff.
00:47:48.000 Talk about losers.
00:47:48.000 Yeah.
00:47:50.000 Good Good, one of the guys put out a statement being like, Callaway asked for an ad, approved the ad, asked us to take the heat for the ad, and then threw us under the bus and donated money like it's our fault.
00:48:02.000 Yeah.
00:48:02.000 What do you think was going to happen?
00:48:03.000 Jeez.
00:48:04.000 I'm so sick of these people.
00:48:05.000 You can't trust them.
00:48:06.000 Stand on your feet.
00:48:07.000 It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
00:48:10.000 Yeah, I mean, anytime you're apologizing for things on the internet, you're losing.
00:48:15.000 Except.
00:48:16.000 Because you're apologizing to a wall of cell phones plugged into one Indian guy's computer.
00:48:21.000 I do want to apologize to the Chinese Americans that got my messaging.
00:48:26.000 I don't.
00:48:27.000 The thing about when I won't apologize, and I'm Asian, so I'm allowed.
00:48:29.000 When you use the media, there's a chance it's going to get taken out of context, intentionally or not.
00:48:35.000 And when that does, I feel like I'm still somewhat responsible.
00:48:38.000 Even though someone else is the one that took me out of context, like maybe this isn't the venue for this conversation.
00:48:43.000 Ian, if someone steals your car and runs over a child, you should go to prison.
00:48:43.000 I agree.
00:48:46.000 Yeah.
00:48:47.000 It's your fault.
00:48:48.000 You have responsibility for this.
00:48:48.000 Why'd you leave your car out?
00:48:49.000 Yeah.
00:48:50.000 Oh, why didn't I take that?
00:48:52.000 Emergency key.
00:48:53.000 No, you should have taken the wheels off so no one could drive it and then put the wheels on when you want to use it.
00:48:57.000 The fact that you allowed your car to be stolen makes it your fault.
00:48:59.000 If someone misuses my property, my behavior, then I'm not at fault.
00:49:04.000 I do agree with that because people are going to be deep faking us saying the craziest stuff.
00:49:07.000 They do.
00:49:08.000 Whatever.
00:49:09.000 That's like all the internet is.
00:49:11.000 Just fake.
00:49:12.000 I still felt somewhat responsible for my words getting taken out of context.
00:49:18.000 Well, I have to say, Asian, I condemn what you are saying right now.
00:49:21.000 As an Asian American, The idea that these conversations aren't allowed is deeply racist and offensive, and you should apologize to the Asian American community for what you're saying.
00:49:29.000 I kind of want to get on my knees in front of the Chinese emperor and beg for forgiveness.
00:49:32.000 There is no.
00:49:33.000 Well, no, that's offensive to me as an Asian.
00:49:34.000 No, I'm just kidding.
00:49:35.000 You've got to beg for forgiveness for both of us now.
00:49:39.000 I'm not even being tongue in cheek.
00:49:41.000 The Chinese are awesome.
00:49:43.000 I don't like if there's a military dictatorship in the United States.
00:49:46.000 No, they're not Asian.
00:49:47.000 I'm allowed to say it, so take it back or apologize to me.
00:49:49.000 I'm talking about the Chinese who are not in China.
00:49:51.000 You are not allowed to pick and choose which Asians you are going to apologize to.
00:49:55.000 Chinese.
00:49:56.000 Well, no, I'm right here.
00:49:57.000 All Asians, all Asians.
00:49:58.000 But China.
00:49:58.000 No.
00:49:59.000 That's offensive.
00:50:00.000 I apologize to me.
00:50:01.000 So I used to play Romance of the Three Kingdoms, this video game, in the 90s.
00:50:04.000 Got into it, huge into Chinese history because of this.
00:50:06.000 It's a book written in the 1400s by Lo Gong Zhao.
00:50:08.000 It's like the Chinese Hamlet.
00:50:10.000 It's very, very an epic novel.
00:50:12.000 Stop fetishizing Asians.
00:50:14.000 Was it Chinese propaganda?
00:50:14.000 He's the racist.
00:50:16.000 Why Ko Ai developed and inserted this game into American culture in the 90s?
00:50:21.000 Like, as a 12 year old, I became obsessed with China.
00:50:23.000 Okay, Ian, what you were saying is more racist than anything you said before about China?
00:50:29.000 You might as well just drop an N bomb.
00:50:30.000 You just keep saying more and more racist things, and I think you should apologize.
00:50:34.000 Okay.
00:50:34.000 I'm sorry.
00:50:36.000 I'm sorry to all of you out there listening.
00:50:38.000 Romance of the Three Kingdoms was a banging game.
00:50:40.000 It was so good.
00:50:41.000 Lupe?
00:50:42.000 It was propaganda to get people to accept Asians.
00:50:45.000 That's how we end up with Waisians.
00:50:47.000 They're great.
00:50:49.000 They're good looking guys like Tim.
00:50:51.000 My cousin's also a Waisian.
00:50:54.000 He's half Korean.
00:50:55.000 I don't know.
00:50:56.000 That's how we end up with Waisians.
00:50:57.000 What is it about Asian culture that's so awesome?
00:51:00.000 Awesome.
00:51:01.000 Like, why did they become.
00:51:02.000 Keep going, Ian.
00:51:02.000 Is it the Mongolians?
00:51:03.000 We're just smarter than white people, you know?
00:51:05.000 Is the Mongolians unification that happened because of the Mongolian conquest?
00:51:09.000 It's because we like math.
00:51:10.000 Free religion and organized, you know.
00:51:13.000 Ian, my point is this.
00:51:14.000 They were into nature, really into nature.
00:51:16.000 You are allowed to say what you said about internment of Americans because of what the United States did.
00:51:23.000 It is a normal question for an American to ask about if another war like that happened, would we intern and should we?
00:51:30.000 And I, as the owner and host of the show, who is a Waisian, And it is entirely within my right under the oppression hierarchy Olympics to question things relating to Asian Americans.
00:51:41.000 For the Democrat caucus to insult my show, this is a component.
00:51:48.000 This is what I say with full sincerity.
00:51:51.000 I can't tell you how many times I've talked to an Asian person where if I agree with them, they will say, You're good, you're Asian.
00:51:59.000 If I disagree with them, they'll say, You're not really Asian.
00:52:02.000 This is what they do.
00:52:03.000 So here's my concern.
00:52:05.000 Now, you mentioned the Japanese internments in World War II.
00:52:07.000 We all know the horror stories of the Japanese internment camps.
00:52:10.000 In World War I, the Americans opted not to intern the Germans.
00:52:13.000 They didn't intern people in World War I.
00:52:15.000 And because of that, well, as a result, there were a bunch of German sabotage in like New York.
00:52:20.000 This is the dawn of the telephone.
00:52:20.000 It was like a lot.
00:52:22.000 So it was because you could figure it out.
00:52:24.000 That's the problem.
00:52:24.000 We didn't before the telephone, it wasn't common for you to like call up your embassy back home and like coordinate.
00:52:30.000 Yeah, it's not just that.
00:52:31.000 It's that if you put a Japanese guy next to a German guy, we're going to be like, look, there's a lot of different white people in this country.
00:52:36.000 We don't know if the German guy is American born German or Irish, even.
00:52:40.000 Japanese guy is clearly Japanese.
00:52:42.000 You could argue that it's easier to see with your eyes the difference in their genetics, but that also you see the bad things that can happen if you don't like try and knock out enemy spy networks.
00:52:53.000 The thing I know, I know this girl who's Chinese.
00:52:55.000 She lives in the United States.
00:52:55.000 She doesn't speak English.
00:52:57.000 She speaks Chinese.
00:52:58.000 Her son lives in China.
00:53:00.000 There's no speaking Chinese.
00:53:01.000 She speaks Mandarin.
00:53:02.000 There you go.
00:53:03.000 And her son lives in China and has a factory in China.
00:53:03.000 Mandarin.
00:53:07.000 If there's a war, and I don't know what the Chinese government is capable of, what the CCP is capable of, if it would put pressure on her son to get her to do things here.
00:53:17.000 And that's it.
00:53:17.000 It has crossed my mind.
00:53:18.000 Wait, wait, wait.
00:53:19.000 What's that movie?
00:53:19.000 Horrifying.
00:53:20.000 What's that movie with Brad Pitt where it turns out his wife's a spy?
00:53:24.000 Do you guys know what I'm talking about?
00:53:24.000 Oh.
00:53:25.000 Oh, yeah, it is Mrs. Smith.
00:53:26.000 Is it?
00:53:27.000 Yeah, it is Mrs. Mr. Smith.
00:53:28.000 No, no.
00:53:29.000 That's the secret agent.
00:53:30.000 Him and Angelina Jones.
00:53:31.000 There is a movie where Brad Pitt plays a World War II officer.
00:53:34.000 And he's called in and they say, Your wife is a German spy.
00:53:34.000 Yes, yes, I agree.
00:53:36.000 And he goes, No, she's not.
00:53:38.000 And then he says, We worked together to assassinate a German ambassador.
00:53:41.000 And he goes, No, you killed a dissident.
00:53:42.000 And he's like, What?
00:53:43.000 Then it turns out his wife was trying to defect from Germany, but the German government was threatening her with blackmail and her family saying, We will kill you and your family as you do as you're told.
00:53:55.000 So they both tried to flee, but then she ends up getting killed.
00:53:57.000 I think.
00:53:58.000 I don't want to think in war terms in my head, but for some reason, just because of the climate of the world, I have been lately thinking, what if.
00:54:06.000 You can think of the Chinese just in the Olympics where they put pressure on, you know, Chinese born in America to go ahead and do the Olympics for the Chinese rather than for the Americans.
00:54:17.000 Not only that, like Ian, if they are willing to keep a population essentially in internment camps of their own, that we are Muslims, right?
00:54:28.000 And.
00:54:29.000 There are reports that they will take their livers, take their body parts for organ transplants for people that are outside of the country because these people live a halal lifestyle.
00:54:45.000 So, people from the Middle East that are Muslims will actually be able to use their body parts for organ transplants.
00:54:54.000 And China has no problem taking their body parts if they'll do that kind of stuff.
00:54:59.000 I don't think that is beyond the pale to think that they would say, okay, we've got.
00:55:02.000 An American or a Chinese national in America, we're going to put pressure on this person to somehow engage in espionage.
00:55:12.000 And if they don't, we'll throw their grandmother in a hole in China.
00:55:15.000 The Chinese are like the AI, they're outcome based.
00:55:19.000 Yeah.
00:55:19.000 They don't have our same moral, ethical issues.
00:55:22.000 They are an authoritarian government.
00:55:24.000 I mean, people are like, how come the Chinese do some capitalism there?
00:55:28.000 Because it made sense for their outcomes.
00:55:32.000 So, they're not like pure Lenin communists.
00:55:34.000 They are dictatorship, authoritarian.
00:55:37.000 What do we want?
00:55:37.000 What is our outcome?
00:55:38.000 We don't have the moral, ethical issues.
00:55:41.000 We just are outcome issues.
00:55:43.000 And they don't view their population the way we view our population.
00:55:46.000 So, Ian, real quick, the issue with interning now is that you can't walk up to an Asian person and know anything about them just because they're Asian.
00:55:54.000 During World War II, this country was 95 plus percent white.
00:55:56.000 There were very few Japanese, and most of them came from Japan and emigrated here, and their kids didn't.
00:56:01.000 And so they're just like, we don't know who's who.
00:56:03.000 Today, There's probably millions of Japanese people who speak with North American, don't even speak Japanese.
00:56:08.000 They were just, their parents were born here.
00:56:11.000 And so you can't go up to them and be like, you're Chinese.
00:56:13.000 And the guy's going to be like, bro, I was born in Miami.
00:56:16.000 And it's like, but you're Chinese.
00:56:17.000 I'm like, my dad was born in Miami.
00:56:18.000 My mom was born in New York.
00:56:21.000 But you look Chinese.
00:56:22.000 It's not going to work.
00:56:23.000 And even when they did, in turn, righteously to get rid of, like, you know, spy networks, German spy networks and stuff during whatever war, it was like 0.0001% of the German population was implicated.
00:56:23.000 I know.
00:56:36.000 And all these other innocent German Americans were then, like, people started to get really paranoid about it.
00:56:42.000 And that's a big problem.
00:56:43.000 Like, you don't want, if the citizens start turning on each other, the external force will win.
00:56:47.000 So that's the.
00:56:48.000 The danger of.
00:56:49.000 Well, look, it's the speed of travel which made things crazy.
00:56:53.000 If you go back to wars before industrialization and the steamship, for instance, somebody who was in the United States who spoke with a German accent was an anomalous.
00:57:04.000 It was very difficult.
00:57:06.000 It would take you probably a year to get from Germany to the United States, not to mention the amount of planning you'd do.
00:57:11.000 Maybe six months traveling from Germany to find a ship and then taking the ship three months to cross.
00:57:17.000 And then you're a German guy, you're a Hessian, and they knew because you spoke German and you had a German accent.
00:57:21.000 Then we invented the steamship and travel became much, much more, much, much, much faster.
00:57:26.000 Now, all of a sudden, with World War I, it's still very rare you're going to hear a German guy speaking in your town.
00:57:31.000 Very few people can make that trek.
00:57:32.000 Now we have airplanes.
00:57:34.000 And TV, so people don't have accents anymore.
00:57:37.000 They know how to speak American.
00:57:38.000 Well, no, actual spies would train.
00:57:41.000 And then there's a very famous story I'm sure you've heard of the American spy in Germany who accidentally ordered three beers.
00:57:48.000 Oh, yeah.
00:57:49.000 That was from a movie, right?
00:57:50.000 And there's a story about this.
00:57:50.000 That's right.
00:57:51.000 You order three beers in Germany, use your thumb to count.
00:57:54.000 But he went like this, and they were like, we gotcha.
00:57:57.000 That movie was wild.
00:57:58.000 The age of having a spy in a foreign country, it's never been easier.
00:58:02.000 Like, this is the era, if there's going to be a global conflict.
00:58:04.000 California mayor.
00:58:06.000 She got arrested.
00:58:07.000 She was a mayor and she was a spy for China.
00:58:10.000 Insane.
00:58:11.000 So, when China's operating police departments in the United States acting as though our territory already belongs to them, yeah, we got problems.
00:58:18.000 Yep.
00:58:18.000 And what about the birthright citizenship?
00:58:20.000 Oh, right.
00:58:21.000 They got all these American citizens who just happen to be born here for a day and then they're back in China.
00:58:27.000 And then when.
00:58:27.000 They're trained and programmed, then back they come when they need them to do whatever.
00:58:31.000 Dude, so I've said this earlier too, and I'll reiterate it.
00:58:34.000 I would love to see peace and prosperity between the Chinese, the Russians, and the Americans.
00:58:38.000 The three red, white, and blue, well, the Chinese have a red flag, but the Republic of China has a red, white, and blue flag, I'm pretty sure.
00:58:44.000 So shout out to Red.
00:58:46.000 Does it not?
00:58:47.000 ROC, are they not red, white, and blue?
00:58:48.000 The Russians are.
00:58:49.000 The Americans are.
00:58:50.000 The French are.
00:58:51.000 There's a lot of red, white, and blue out there that we need to work together, but I'm not comfortable with.
00:58:59.000 With a totalitarian, technocratic, vanguard government, a junta military dictatorship being like my buddy, because they'll.
00:59:10.000 I don't like that.
00:59:11.000 If they were willing to create a republic and like give the people the rights to elect their own leader to control the Chinese military, you know, for four years, if they had like a republic, I'd be super down on every level to learn Mandarin and to unify.
00:59:24.000 Are you talking about the Taiwanese flag?
00:59:24.000 But.
00:59:27.000 The Republic of China, ROC.
00:59:28.000 Taiwanese flag.
00:59:28.000 The official.
00:59:30.000 Rightful heir to the Taiwanese flag.
00:59:32.000 That's what it means.
00:59:33.000 Chinese government.
00:59:34.000 It's called the Republic of China.
00:59:35.000 The Taiwan's flag.
00:59:37.000 It's led to Taiwan, yeah.
00:59:39.000 Let me finish.
00:59:40.000 The Taiwan flag is the flag that used to be the Republic of China, but it is commonly referred to as the Taiwanese flag.
00:59:50.000 And yes, it's red, white, and blue.
00:59:52.000 The white sun, blue sky, red earth.
00:59:55.000 So what you said is CCP.
00:59:58.000 I literally just got that from Wikipedia.
01:00:00.000 Right.
01:00:00.000 Wikipedia, that's CCP propaganda.
01:00:02.000 They took the country over.
01:00:04.000 In a revolution in 1949, 1950, and they forced the republic onto the island.
01:00:10.000 That's why it's called the Taiwanese flag, because Taiwan, according to Westerners, is a different country from China.
01:00:20.000 It's also harboring the Chinese government.
01:00:24.000 It's the Taiwanese government now.
01:00:26.000 Are you choosing to ignore what I'm saying?
01:00:29.000 I think it might be right here, because they kind of like the original government of China is in Taiwan.
01:00:35.000 They're just not allowed.
01:00:36.000 Back in China, right?
01:00:37.000 The CCP has them on the run.
01:00:37.000 Correct.
01:00:39.000 Yeah.
01:00:40.000 And don't they?
01:00:41.000 Yeah, Taiwan still calls itself the Republic of China.
01:00:44.000 Yes.
01:00:44.000 Oh, it does?
01:00:44.000 I thought they called themselves.
01:00:45.000 I thought they were considered themselves Taiwan.
01:00:47.000 Officially, it is called the Republic of China.
01:00:49.000 We need a republic.
01:00:49.000 Okay.
01:00:50.000 China deserves a republic.
01:00:52.000 The people should be free.
01:00:57.000 The People's Republic of China is the Communist China.
01:01:00.000 Yeah.
01:01:00.000 They call it a republic.
01:01:01.000 It's just like the Iranian republic.
01:01:04.000 They're not a republic.
01:01:05.000 Here's the formal website.
01:01:07.000 Democratic government portal of the Republic of China, parentheses Taiwan.
01:01:11.000 Yeah, so that's real China.
01:01:15.000 We need to seize back Western Taiwan.
01:01:19.000 It's West Taiwan.
01:01:20.000 The truth is, this is the Republican Chinese government that has been basically taken over by it.
01:01:28.000 It was supposed to be, they had like a 50 year thing they were supposed to wait until they made any decisions about like doing anything different than this.
01:01:37.000 Imagine if, uh, imagine the DSA took over.
01:01:41.000 And then the actual formal U.S. government, like Trump and the cabinet, fled to the Bahamas.
01:01:47.000 And then they were like, we're establishing the United States of America, you know.
01:01:51.000 When the Nazis.
01:01:52.000 Or they go to like, I don't know, Puerto Rico.
01:01:56.000 And they say, this is America.
01:01:59.000 Real America.
01:02:00.000 And then the DSA renames the United States of America to the Democratic People's States of America.
01:02:06.000 And then Trump's there, like, we're going to get it back one day.
01:02:09.000 Yeah, that's what happens.
01:02:10.000 50 years later, the Democratic Socialist States of America are trying to take over.
01:02:15.000 The the where do we go?
01:02:16.000 But they would then rename it like the United States of the Republic of America, they'd call it what it was.
01:02:21.000 It would be the People's, yeah, the People's Republic of America.
01:02:25.000 Yeah, it's a nice room to the French government.
01:02:27.000 People never have any control, right?
01:02:29.000 The French government fled to Europe in the same thing when the Nazis took over France in their sneak attack at the beginning of World War II.
01:02:37.000 Charles de Gaulle was basically in charge of the real French resistance, you would call it.
01:02:42.000 So you could call this the Republic of China a resistance.
01:02:45.000 Uh, it's another reason why Taiwan's so important, yeah.
01:02:49.000 It's this is just it.
01:02:50.000 This is a very uh, sometimes people will get silent and like nervous saying this out loud because China, the Communist Party has such an influence.
01:02:59.000 They're not even communist, they're they're they're vanguard.
01:03:03.000 It's so it's they call themselves communist and they're not even communist.
01:03:05.000 He was just saying that they're they're basically like the ends are what they're after, they're not particularly ideological, they're looking for results.
01:03:13.000 Their results, they're communist as much as they can be without completely failing.
01:03:17.000 So they go capitalist in certain areas so that they can stay afloat.
01:03:21.000 Putting markets, yeah, you know, in a lot of ways, they are the China of you know a thousand years ago.
01:03:27.000 You know, the you know, we are the biggest, we're the best, and you know, you Westerners came in here and you know, we're going to be dominant, we're going to take that's all they really care about.
01:03:36.000 Communism was a kind of an abbreviation, they still go under that system in terms of their leaders and their autocratic control.
01:03:44.000 But their focus is to restore the China of old to be the world domination, um, and to you know, supplant the United States.
01:03:52.000 That's their focus, and Their people are just a way.
01:03:57.000 Their mindset is kind of like how Tim was describing the AI.
01:04:00.000 Their people are just a method to the outcome.
01:04:03.000 Yeah.
01:04:03.000 So there's no property rights in China, right?
01:04:05.000 You can't own something like a business.
01:04:08.000 Here it's a lease.
01:04:10.000 You have to rent everything, is what I've heard.
01:04:12.000 Well, yeah.
01:04:13.000 I mean, the state, I mean, just like the old emperors really said, we own everything.
01:04:19.000 You just have vassals.
01:04:20.000 And like the CEOs are all communist, like CCP members.
01:04:25.000 So, to that extent, I guess they're still communist.
01:04:25.000 Right.
01:04:28.000 Okay, guys, we got to talk about this story.
01:04:30.000 We actually missed one a couple days ago, but.
01:04:33.000 Federal judge warns law is being left behind by AI and child abuse images case.
01:04:39.000 Bring the meteor, bring the flood, yuckle hops, whatever you want to call it.
01:04:45.000 This judge has just said in a ruling that individuals are allowed to produce and possess child abuse materials so long as it's not depicting a real person.
01:04:56.000 Why?
01:04:57.000 Why?
01:04:57.000 What this means.
01:04:59.000 Let me be very careful.
01:05:00.000 I want to read this to make sure I'm getting the news right before I. Because I'm going to lose my mind on this one.
01:05:03.000 I don't get ahead of myself.
01:05:05.000 The First Amendment protects an individual's right to privately possess images or videos, so saith this judge, of child abuse created using AI if the material does not depict a real person or remains in the home.
01:05:17.000 Possess images.
01:05:18.000 So, but what about making it?
01:05:20.000 The decision came in the case that tested the scope of laws implemented before advances in AI made it easy to create realistic looking fakes.
01:05:26.000 Judge John Z. Lee, in his ruling for the Court of Appeals for the 7th District, urged the Supreme Court to reconsider the issue of virtual abuse material of children.
01:05:36.000 In the age of AI, suggesting that technological advances complicate existing legal precedent.
01:05:40.000 Given the relentless advancement of AI models, we have some concerns about the lines these cases draw, but we are not free to redraw them ourselves.
01:05:51.000 They say that Stephen Anderegg of Holman, Wisconsin, he used a popular AI image generator to create thousands of images of children.
01:05:59.000 He was accused of breaking federal obscenity laws by producing, distributing, and possessing obscene visual depictions of minors.
01:06:06.000 You don't know what is fake or not, which means you have to arrest everybody anyway.
01:06:10.000 This judge is a psychopath.
01:06:12.000 And this also means that you will start to see an explosion of content producing this stuff.
01:06:19.000 This is insane.
01:06:21.000 Holy crap.
01:06:23.000 My mind is blown on this one.
01:06:25.000 The judge should be locked up too.
01:06:29.000 I mean, it's literally making it easier for pedophiles and what have you to justify their.
01:06:40.000 Their deviant behavior was trained on real images, I assume.
01:06:44.000 So that's like already the same thing.
01:06:47.000 Well, I mean, it goes to how you pick judges.
01:06:50.000 And when you pick judges for the ideology, the ideology will take them places you don't want to go rather than judges that actually follow the law, constructionists, those sorts of things.
01:07:03.000 So that's why we see all these insane rulings, whether it's porn or immigration or birthright.
01:07:11.000 Um, because they're not actually looking at the law, they're looking at their ideology and then they're trying to reshape the wall, yeah, to fit it.
01:07:18.000 And that's why the Supreme Court's having to go over and over and over again in uh, up in these guys, yeah.
01:07:24.000 I mean, it, I don't see how this is in any way a good thing, you know, like it's just like allowing child pornography so long as it's not a real child only makes room for people that would.
01:07:45.000 You know, would search out that kind of stuff.
01:07:48.000 It gives them an excuse.
01:07:49.000 It gives them.
01:07:50.000 Sometimes the fake image actually looks like a real person.
01:07:52.000 Yeah.
01:07:53.000 Oh, yeah.
01:07:53.000 They're, they're, they're right.
01:07:55.000 I mean, now, like, images are, like, especially when you're dealing with, with, you know, the more modern, you know, the most recent updates of AI, like, it's not like they're, you know, they're just cartoons or they don't look realistic.
01:08:13.000 They look incredibly realistic.
01:08:15.000 There was an AI actress made up, and then they found a person that looked just like the AI actress, woman.
01:08:20.000 Yeah.
01:08:21.000 Remember that being a news story.
01:08:22.000 Oh, yeah.
01:08:23.000 This, I think, though, this, the argument to steal man this decision is like if you drew pictures at your house alone.
01:08:30.000 You should not go to prison.
01:08:31.000 Yes, you should.
01:08:32.000 What?
01:08:33.000 What are you talking about?
01:08:35.000 You're talking about putting pedophiles in prison.
01:08:38.000 A picture does not make you a pedophile.
01:08:41.000 If you're drawing pictures of children engaging in sexual intercourse, you should go to jail.
01:08:47.000 A picture of people getting killed doesn't make you a murderer.
01:08:49.000 I do not care.
01:08:51.000 It's called morality.
01:08:52.000 You're not going to get into power, Phil.
01:08:53.000 You are dangerously weird about switching allegiances and about morals.
01:08:58.000 It's called morals.
01:09:00.000 Dude, the law is not what is written down, the law is what we morally enforce.
01:09:03.000 And Phil is saying.
01:09:05.000 We should morally enforce against people who draw pictures.
01:09:07.000 You don't want dudes that have anal sex in prison, too, because you don't like that either.
01:09:10.000 That's a different morality.
01:09:11.000 In their home, away from anyone else.
01:09:13.000 They're not distributing it.
01:09:14.000 Different things are different.
01:09:16.000 Like, you're allowed to draw a picture in your house, dude.
01:09:19.000 Apparently not of children engaged in adult activities.
01:09:22.000 And I'm completely comfortable.
01:09:25.000 No, you're not.
01:09:26.000 That's the point of this ruling.
01:09:28.000 The Supreme Court said you can't.
01:09:30.000 I mean, this is lolly.
01:09:32.000 I don't know how far, where are you guys drawing the line here?
01:09:34.000 I'm pretty sure that stuff's illegal.
01:09:36.000 Thing of someone that looks like a child, that there's no, it's not a real person.
01:09:36.000 Yes.
01:09:40.000 Like, what the?
01:09:42.000 If you're.
01:09:43.000 Yes, Ian, it should not be allowed.
01:09:45.000 What does that mean?
01:09:47.000 It means we shouldn't be allowed.
01:09:48.000 We shouldn't charge people who do things we think are bad.
01:09:51.000 It's in their home.
01:09:52.000 And?
01:09:53.000 It's not affecting anyone, except unless you want like some cybersecurity guy to go, oh, it's on something on your computer.
01:09:59.000 Yeah, yeah, no, I think there's a thing called morals, okay?
01:10:04.000 Right?
01:10:05.000 If a guy was in his house, let me ask you a question, and he took a knife and started sawing his fingers off.
01:10:11.000 Should we go in and stop him from doing that?
01:10:15.000 I'm not sure.
01:10:16.000 I think the answer is an easy yes.
01:10:18.000 Yeah.
01:10:19.000 Can you break into his house and try and stop him?
01:10:21.000 Try.
01:10:22.000 You do.
01:10:22.000 If you know he's doing it, then there's no way.
01:10:24.000 Indeed.
01:10:24.000 I'm like, how would you even know he's doing it?
01:10:26.000 Oh, he posted a picture on the internet and he says, Two fingers off.
01:10:28.000 He's posting about it.
01:10:29.000 If you post this stuff, then yeah, you go to jail.
01:10:31.000 But the point is, you have to know they're doing it to know to stop them.
01:10:35.000 Exactly.
01:10:36.000 So why are they trying to criminalize people doing it?
01:10:38.000 Because when we find out you're doing it, we enforce the law against you.
01:10:42.000 How are they finding out?
01:10:44.000 I don't know.
01:10:44.000 This is a confusing story.
01:10:46.000 Finding out is immaterial when we're talking about what should or should not be illegal.
01:10:46.000 He's saying it.
01:10:51.000 I just.
01:10:52.000 AI is a hyper advanced picture drawing mechanism.
01:10:54.000 I don't.
01:10:55.000 Like, what's the difference of drawing it with your fingers on a piece of paper or using a thing to create a point of realism?
01:11:01.000 The problem with this, especially, is that you won't be able to tell which is AI or not.
01:11:05.000 So you have to arrest everyone.
01:11:06.000 That's why it doesn't work.
01:11:10.000 What?
01:11:10.000 Like, if you can't tell the difference.
01:11:15.000 So, if someone AI generates what looks to be an actual human being, should the person be arrested?
01:11:20.000 I don't know, dude.
01:11:21.000 If someone AI generates a video of what looks to be you committing a crime, should you be arrested?
01:11:26.000 The answer is.
01:11:27.000 What if the whole world thinks you committed the crime?
01:11:29.000 Then you'll probably get arrested.
01:11:31.000 Indeed.
01:11:31.000 It's crazy.
01:11:32.000 I'll come to the AI future.
01:11:34.000 So, the point is if somebody prints materials using an AI that is indistinguishable from the real thing and it's of child abuse, that person should be arrested because the production of that material should not be allowed for a.
01:11:48.000 A litany of reasons, of which the smallest is that we don't then know when they flood the market who's actually a victim and not.
01:11:57.000 As of right now, if there is video material, the police, the FBI can say, we need to track down this young girl and save her from this slavery.
01:12:05.000 But when people start flooding the market with fake images, they go, we don't know which of these to track down anymore.
01:12:11.000 It's an orgy of evidence.
01:12:13.000 Which one is the real person?
01:12:14.000 So you make it criminal and you say, if you do this, you're under arrest.
01:12:18.000 But if they possess it, Indeed.
01:12:21.000 Then the possession of weird videos could lead to people.
01:12:24.000 And then you might not even be the person that acquired it, but it's just on your property.
01:12:29.000 Ian, you're saying weird videos.
01:12:30.000 We're talking about child sex abuse.
01:12:32.000 Or murder, or videos of horrific crimes, just in general, is where my mind's going to.
01:12:37.000 Things that shouldn't be happening, but there's a video and it looks real.
01:12:40.000 And you need to understand, Ian, there's something called morals.
01:12:43.000 Do you know what that means?
01:12:45.000 The term morals, yeah, I know what that means too.
01:12:47.000 I don't think so.
01:12:48.000 Can you define it for me?
01:12:50.000 Oh, a collective understanding of what's right and wrong.
01:12:52.000 Indeed.
01:12:53.000 And so what is.
01:12:55.000 Means some things are and some things are not, correct?
01:13:00.000 What is?
01:13:01.000 You're asking me to define the word is?
01:13:03.000 What?
01:13:05.000 When you use the word what, you are defining any and all circumstances.
01:13:09.000 Some are good and some are bad, right?
01:13:12.000 So a video of someone being murdered is not as bad as children being raped, right?
01:13:19.000 So when we see a guy with a video of a snuff film or something, and it may or may not be a movie or acting, we go, okay, this is weird.
01:13:25.000 That looks real.
01:13:26.000 We're going to look into it.
01:13:27.000 But when it's child abuse, you go, you are, this is the most abhorrent thing a human being can do.
01:13:32.000 This is one of the worst possible things imaginable.
01:13:34.000 You're coming with us.
01:13:35.000 It's a heinous thing.
01:13:36.000 I'm not saying it's not, but I'm also a staunch freedom of information activist.
01:13:40.000 I have been my whole life.
01:13:41.000 And I don't like nailing people because of information.
01:13:45.000 It just feels very weird.
01:13:47.000 It depends on the information.
01:13:48.000 Because I understand you want to protect kids and the minds of children, especially.
01:13:48.000 It does.
01:13:51.000 But what people do in their own privacy is like a big part of this country's survival.
01:13:57.000 There are a thing, there's a thing called morals.
01:14:00.000 And that is if you tell me that two dudes be, you know, blinking, I'm like, eh, keep it at home, keep it away from kids, mind your own fucking business.
01:14:07.000 When they bring children in the room, I say, get SWAT, kick the door in and grab them.
01:14:13.000 If two guys have pictures of two guys and they're sharing them with each other, and look at this, this guy's doing blinking with another guy, then I'm like, okay, keep it away from the kids.
01:14:21.000 Then when they start going, look at these kids doing this thing, kick the door in and arrest them.
01:14:25.000 It's simple, it's called morals.
01:14:28.000 Some things are good, some things are bad, some things are bad, but not that bad.
01:14:31.000 Some things are really bad.
01:14:34.000 So, are we going to spend $20 million because some kid like stole a bag of chips from a local bodega?
01:14:39.000 No.
01:14:41.000 If you call the cops and be like, look, go get the kid, he can't steal, they'll say, we'll get around to it.
01:14:46.000 Nobody's going to die, right?
01:14:47.000 It's called triage.
01:14:48.000 But if they're like, hey, we just watched a guy kidnap a kid at the back of the building, then they're going to send cops in every direction, put amber alerts on everyone's phones because some things are worse than other things.
01:14:58.000 This freaks me out because, again, the reality is tons of websites are going to pop up mass producing this stuff.
01:15:05.000 And that's going to do a few things.
01:15:06.000 That means these young kids who shouldn't be on these sites at all, let's say they're 15, they're going to be browsing some dumb porn website, which used to just be freaky enough.
01:15:17.000 And now they're going to scroll past child abuse material.
01:15:19.000 And they're going to say, don't worry, none of it's real.
01:15:21.000 And now 15 year old kids are going to be seeing videos of children being raped.
01:15:24.000 That's the problem.
01:15:28.000 To AI generate child abuse materials and say, so long as it's not a real person, it's legal, it's going to be on every single porn website.
01:15:36.000 Well, if they're posting it, it's different than.
01:15:38.000 But that's not what he's saying.
01:15:40.000 He generated it, he shared it, and he had it.
01:15:43.000 And they said, so long as.
01:15:45.000 Now, the question is on the full ruling.
01:15:48.000 He says, images or videos of child abuse created using AI, if the material does not depict a real person remains in the home, there we go, is legal.
01:16:00.000 But the question then remains it's always gradients.
01:16:04.000 When we were talking about gay marriage, nobody argued on the liberal side that they were going to go to schools and teach kids about scat, which they're doing now.
01:16:13.000 But the conservatives were like, the next step in this is the schools are going to start teaching about it.
01:16:17.000 And all the liberals went, no, they won't.
01:16:19.000 So, first thing they say is, you're allowed to have it in the home.
01:16:22.000 You can make it yourself and have it in the home, so long as it stays in the home.
01:16:26.000 The next step is someone's going to argue if it is a legal thing to own, why would it be a crime to make a website where people can make it?
01:16:33.000 And for that matter, if he made it on a website, which he did, and he's saying it's legal, then what's to stop them from saying, here's a list?
01:16:41.000 So, many of these, like if you go to Grok, for instance, it shows you a whole bunch of AI generated imagery.
01:16:47.000 So, if he's saying you're allowed to do it, What happens if the website that generated the image has a, here's the recent communally generated images?
01:16:58.000 Because some websites do this.
01:16:59.000 Yeah, but that shouldn't, that would then be illegal for sure.
01:17:03.000 I think it should.
01:17:04.000 So then the AI companies are now on the hook and have to create a.
01:17:07.000 So, first of all, most of the AI companies won't even allow you to do this in the first place.
01:17:11.000 But let's say there's a site that's just a cheapo porn producer, the guy used it to make the videos, and they just appear on the server of the company that made it.
01:17:21.000 Are they not, how does that work?
01:17:22.000 Reliable.
01:17:23.000 If they're letting their software promote child porn, they're going.
01:17:25.000 I didn't say promote it's on their server, I said.
01:17:27.000 If it's public facing, I didn't say that.
01:17:29.000 I said it's on their server.
01:17:30.000 Well, then it's no longer in the guy's house.
01:17:31.000 It's now on a public server.
01:17:32.000 That means that's a private server.
01:17:34.000 So here's the precedent.
01:17:36.000 Then when the feds go to that company and say, you have on your server CSAM, they say, no, a judge already ruled it is legal to produce.
01:17:44.000 It's on the server because it was produced by a user for his home use.
01:17:48.000 The fact that it's on our server is because it was generated and generation is legal.
01:17:52.000 Then the next precedent is hey, hold on.
01:17:55.000 If you're allowed to generate it and have it on a business server and a person can use it at home, why can't a friend of that person also get a copy of it?
01:18:01.000 No, it's the difference.
01:18:01.000 You shouldn't be able to use a server to generate it locally.
01:18:04.000 It should be generated locally, stored locally.
01:18:05.000 There's no such thing as generated locally.
01:18:07.000 It's got to be, a command has to be set to the server for generation.
01:18:09.000 And this guy's right, that this judge is wrong.
01:18:12.000 It's not in the house if it's being generated off the internet.
01:18:14.000 Exactly.
01:18:15.000 We completely agree that it should never happen.
01:18:17.000 But like a picture, if you draw it at your house with your own private software and it never goes to a public server, I think that should be legal.
01:18:23.000 As horrible as it is, I don't like it.
01:18:25.000 I got to be honest, I think it depends on the scale of the picture.
01:18:28.000 Because, like, if someone drew stick figures, right?
01:18:31.000 We're gonna be like, what is that even?
01:18:32.000 We don't know this, but if someone did hyper realistic water pencil pictures of children, arrested.
01:18:38.000 Well, there's also another concern of mine is that jail using it as blackmail.
01:18:43.000 Because I don't know if people are getting stuff put on their computers by hackers, that has happened, yes, to a lot of people and journalists.
01:18:50.000 And if they put child porn on someone's computer and then they're like, hey, you're like, bro, I never publicized this crap.
01:18:55.000 I don't know what it is.
01:18:56.000 The existence of corruption and crime does not mean we should make things legal.
01:19:01.000 I think we're all innocent until you prove that we did something wrong.
01:19:04.000 The point is, you're arguing that the government or nefarious government actors might commit a crime against another person.
01:19:13.000 It's potential that people will get child porn put on their computers.
01:19:16.000 That's already illegal to do.
01:19:18.000 Yes, but if someone goes to their computer and they're like, hey, we found this on your computer, you're like, that's not mine.
01:19:23.000 And sometimes people die because they're murdered.
01:19:26.000 And then we find a person is dead and their life is gone, and we go, that's bad.
01:19:30.000 Crimes are bad.
01:19:31.000 What you are describing is a crime, and we've already determined it's bad, but sometimes people commit crimes and then we try to stop them.
01:19:38.000 The existence of crimes does not mean this should be legal.
01:19:43.000 Jail.
01:19:46.000 There is a hard moral line.
01:19:48.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:19:49.000 How realistic does the picture have to be until the human is able to see it?
01:19:52.000 Easily discernible to a reasonable person.
01:19:54.000 That's a vague phrase.
01:19:56.000 Of course.
01:19:57.000 So, probable cause.
01:19:57.000 Yeah.
01:19:59.000 The intention of it being realistic?
01:20:03.000 If the investigating officer or a member of the community or someone sees it and can recognize it as that, then done.
01:20:09.000 There's a famous saying in mass communication law or television.
01:20:12.000 It's like, if you know it when you see it.
01:20:14.000 That was a judge.
01:20:15.000 He was asked, how do we know what porn is?
01:20:16.000 He says, you know it when you see it.
01:20:17.000 That's the whole lolly thing.
01:20:19.000 Thing.
01:20:19.000 It's like, hey, that cartoon girl with a rabbit ears and a tail looks like she's 17.
01:20:25.000 This is child porn.
01:20:26.000 You're like, no, she's 18.
01:20:27.000 And it's a cartoon character.
01:20:29.000 Yeah, actually, that's not the issue.
01:20:30.000 And that's not lolly.
01:20:31.000 What they were doing was they were making pictures of 10 year old girls and then saying, but it's actually a 3,000 year old girl.
01:20:35.000 But the line gets pushed and pulled and they're trying to skate the.
01:20:39.000 Was it obvious?
01:20:40.000 I don't know.
01:20:42.000 So I obviously think there's going to be a degree of penalty for these things.
01:20:47.000 A guy who draws a picture should get arrested and should get penalized.
01:20:52.000 And there should be some.
01:20:53.000 Punishment, but I'm not saying the guy should get the death penalty for that.
01:20:56.000 And there's a good point.
01:20:58.000 There's that, you guys know that woman who looks like she's eight years old, but she's actually like 30?
01:21:02.000 Yeah.
01:21:03.000 Right.
01:21:03.000 So, like, she is an adult human.
01:21:06.000 She's just small.
01:21:08.000 She deserves to live her life and have full rights.
01:21:11.000 But there are people who will disrespect her boyfriend for making those choices, which is really brutal.
01:21:15.000 I mean, I got to be honest, I understand those criticisms to her boyfriend.
01:21:19.000 Like, bro, that woman looks like a little girl.
01:21:22.000 It was kind of.
01:21:22.000 At the same time, I feel bad for her because she just wants to live a normal life, but she can't because of this genetic disorder.
01:21:28.000 So, there's challenges, right?
01:21:31.000 You know, in how we deal with these things.
01:21:32.000 The point is, we are going to be reasonable and we are going to say no to people who attempt to produce child abuse material.
01:21:39.000 That's just it.
01:21:43.000 Jail.
01:21:47.000 Like, what's.
01:21:47.000 I don't know, dude.
01:21:49.000 It's like, is it more important?
01:21:51.000 Is the process more important?
01:21:53.000 Protect the outcome more important.
01:21:55.000 The important part in this particular context. Is going far enough to protect children from people that would abuse them.
01:22:03.000 So, if there is a person who is making realistic enough images of child abuse in his house, I am not saying you give him the death penalty.
01:22:11.000 I'm saying you take the drawings, you take him to evidence, you tell him what you are producing is criminal.
01:22:17.000 We are going to punish you for this.
01:22:19.000 You are going to get some kind of criminal charge.
01:22:21.000 Don't do it again.
01:22:22.000 The question, though, is how would you know that they had them?
01:22:25.000 That's an entirely different question.
01:22:27.000 How do you know someone got murdered?
01:22:28.000 How would you know that someone murdered his grandma?
01:22:31.000 How would you know that?
01:22:32.000 Spying?
01:22:32.000 How would you know if someone murdered his grandma?
01:22:34.000 How would you know that someone murdered his own grandma?
01:22:35.000 Just jump in.
01:22:36.000 Grandma's no longer around.
01:22:38.000 Oh, no, no, no.
01:22:38.000 Hold on.
01:22:38.000 A guy's caretaker for his grandma.
01:22:39.000 He has a bloody body.
01:22:40.000 Just stop trying to play games.
01:22:40.000 We're looking for it.
01:22:42.000 A guy is taking care of his grandma.
01:22:44.000 His grandma is immobile.
01:22:45.000 No one sees her on a regular basis because he's the one who gets the mail and goes to the store.
01:22:48.000 He murders her and then he puts her in the basement, seals her up so no one can smell or see anything, and he continues his routine and none's the wiser.
01:22:55.000 How would anyone find out he committed a murder?
01:22:56.000 Maybe they wouldn't.
01:22:57.000 Yeah, maybe they wouldn't.
01:22:58.000 That's the point.
01:22:59.000 Sometimes people commit crimes and get away with it.
01:23:01.000 The existence of crime.
01:23:04.000 Does not mean we make things legal.
01:23:06.000 Let me give you an example.
01:23:08.000 Is it illegal to make realistic counterfeit American currency?
01:23:12.000 As far as I know, yeah.
01:23:13.000 Right.
01:23:14.000 So just because you make it at your home and you haven't gone to the corner store and used it yet, it's still illegal.
01:23:20.000 They find out you got it.
01:23:22.000 The issue, and that's a really great example.
01:23:24.000 Why is it illegal?
01:23:25.000 Because you have created the possibility sooner or later someone could get their hands on it and they could utilize counterfeit money.
01:23:31.000 What about money like this?
01:23:33.000 That says copy for Netflix.
01:23:35.000 It says copy on it?
01:23:36.000 It says not a hyper realistic.
01:23:38.000 So, like, it's not exactly a 14 year old naked girl, but it looks almost exactly like it.
01:23:43.000 Would I get thrown in prison for possessing one of those?
01:23:45.000 Those are, if you answer, is no, Ian.
01:23:47.000 Those are clearly marked on the bills, they indeed are.
01:23:51.000 They're fake.
01:23:51.000 I can't tell from here, I got to look closely.
01:23:54.000 And then you do, they're good, they're marked.
01:23:54.000 That's right.
01:23:56.000 This one's marked, and some of them are, some of them aren't.
01:23:58.000 I don't know.
01:23:59.000 All of the fake ones are clearly marked.
01:24:02.000 Look at the hundred, look at the hundred dollar bills.
01:24:05.000 It says copy money on it, but could you tell from the camera?
01:24:07.000 Can you see it?
01:24:08.000 Listen, Ian, there's a reason why, actually, yes, you can.
01:24:11.000 You know why there's a blue line on it?
01:24:12.000 No, because the blue line on hundred dollar bills is actually separate from the paper.
01:24:17.000 It's pretty well marked.
01:24:17.000 It's decently marked.
01:24:19.000 Some of these are.
01:24:20.000 I have a $100 bill on me.
01:24:21.000 Anyway, but there's a reason for our argument.
01:24:24.000 The blue strip on 100 is separate from the paper, and you can actually slide a pencil through it.
01:24:28.000 You can push a stick through it.
01:24:29.000 The point is, those are clearly marked that they're not real.
01:24:33.000 And again, we're not talking.
01:24:35.000 What do you think is clearly marked?
01:24:36.000 No one is talking about a 17 year old.
01:24:40.000 So there was an OnlyFans woman, this chick.
01:24:44.000 The moment she turned 18 at midnight, she published an OnlyFans.
01:24:47.000 You know what that means?
01:24:49.000 It means that all of those images are from when she was a minor.
01:24:52.000 She filmed herself doing lewd things.
01:24:55.000 Then, the moment at midnight she turned 18, she published it.
01:24:58.000 And she's 18 now, so she can publish it, even though those images were produced when she was a minor.
01:25:03.000 But what are you going to do?
01:25:06.000 See, what we're talking.
01:25:08.000 I would say that everybody that signed up for the moment she turned 18, anything that she made beforehand, jail.
01:25:14.000 So, the point I'm making is she was 18 years old and published things.
01:25:18.000 And the argument is how could she have filmed that much?
01:25:21.000 In that short amount of time, which is true.
01:25:23.000 If someone drew a picture of a post pubescent woman and then they came and said, that looks like a teenager, well, I don't know what to deal with.
01:25:33.000 What are you going to do?
01:25:34.000 I mean, it's bad.
01:25:35.000 But the line we're talking about is children.
01:25:35.000 We don't like it.
01:25:39.000 Is that it?
01:25:40.000 Post pubescent, it sounds like is what you're talking about.
01:25:42.000 No, no, no, no.
01:25:43.000 What I'm saying is if someone looks at a drawing of what appears to be a sexually developed human being, you're going to have a debate over age.
01:25:51.000 So, it's not clearly defined, but a child is clearly drawn as a child.
01:25:55.000 Pre pubescent?
01:25:56.000 Pre pubescent.
01:25:56.000 Yeah, for sure.
01:25:57.000 But the lolly stuff's like post pubescent.
01:25:59.000 Well, it depends, but there's lines.
01:25:59.000 No, it's not.
01:26:02.000 But that's how they get around the thing.
01:26:04.000 They're like, it wasn't child.
01:26:05.000 It was obviously she's a post pubescent.
01:26:09.000 That's not it at all.
01:26:10.000 They argue she's a 3,000 year old witch.
01:26:15.000 And they give her elf ears and say, no, it's a 3,000 year old elf.
01:26:17.000 Yeah, but her body just has like a nine year old body.
01:26:19.000 And they do get away with that.
01:26:21.000 That's how they do it.
01:26:23.000 They draw a child with pointy ears and say it's an elf.
01:26:27.000 That's it.
01:26:28.000 It's not a human.
01:26:28.000 It's an elf.
01:26:30.000 So, what if these AI make like realistic child porn, but they have tails?
01:26:35.000 This is the problem.
01:26:37.000 This is a problem.
01:26:38.000 Don't care.
01:26:38.000 Jail.
01:26:39.000 Yeah.
01:26:39.000 Like, bro, we know what you're doing.
01:26:43.000 You're not going to rules lawyer someone making child porn.
01:26:46.000 I'm sorry.
01:26:50.000 You know, another, this is part of why I'm kind of being stalwart about this is because I see a future of staunch order.
01:26:58.000 Regulation rules, and if you deviate, you're slaughtered or incarcerated.
01:27:03.000 And things like not child porn itself, but things like deviating from the law will help us save ourselves from child porn.
01:27:11.000 Let me ask you a question Do you understand why we don't want people producing this material?
01:27:11.000 But there are lines.
01:27:17.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:27:18.000 You don't want people to get addicted to this kind of stuff.
01:27:20.000 You don't want other kids to see it.
01:27:22.000 Yeah.
01:27:22.000 And you don't want to fry their brains.
01:27:24.000 I don't want children accidentally stumbling on it.
01:27:28.000 I don't want the people.
01:27:29.000 Who are already fetishizing and addicted to this to have a plethora of a library of content which drives them to potentially do more.
01:27:37.000 We do not want this to grow, we want it to shrink, right?
01:27:40.000 This is the point.
01:27:41.000 This means when someone AI generates what is clearly a child but with a tail, you can't put a tail on it and be like, now it's something else.
01:27:49.000 Nope, sorry.
01:27:50.000 We are not stupid.
01:27:51.000 We can interpret the law and we know what your intentions are.
01:27:54.000 Your tail is meaningless.
01:27:56.000 Jail.
01:27:57.000 Jail.
01:28:00.000 There are lines we do not cross.
01:28:04.000 And this slippery slope is not a fallacy.
01:28:08.000 Well, how do we know that this stuff doesn't cause that condition in people?
01:28:11.000 Like, isn't.
01:28:13.000 I think that the scientific establishment has steered away from these uncomfortable questions, but abuse, experiences with abuse, has been linked to you yourself becoming an abuser.
01:28:24.000 Indeed.
01:28:24.000 In many cases.
01:28:26.000 I think what we're learning about porn addiction, how it's causing brain degradation, especially in young men, and it's creating erectile dysfunction through fetishism, it actually is conditioning their brains.
01:28:41.000 So, what we've learned from these studies over the past several years is that young boys go online and what used to be an extremely rare. Occurrence like the watching sex becomes ubiquitous for these young men.
01:28:53.000 Where it used to be that humans would watch a man and a woman boink, and that was all that it was very simple intercourse.
01:28:59.000 Now they're watching, like, they're watching an amputee in a wheelchair put on an Iron Man suit, go to space, wear a Martian with tentacles, and they're like watching this stuff and it's frying their brain.
01:29:11.000 And then when they hang out with girls, they're like, You don't do it for me.
01:29:14.000 Sorry, I need to see the Martian with the midgets.
01:29:17.000 Right.
01:29:18.000 So you could, I mean, there could be a case where this creates and exacerbates the problem.
01:29:22.000 How prominent the P word is throughout society.
01:29:26.000 I mean, I'd like somebody to actually establish that.
01:29:28.000 I'm just guessing that there's probably a link, but yeah.
01:29:32.000 I mean, there absolutely is a link between abuse and being abused.
01:29:34.000 But even to your point, is it worth having this kind of material available or able to be created without prohibitions, considering the possible ramifications?
01:29:50.000 Generally, like, I'm the kind of dude that's like, well, you know, until someone's committed a crime.
01:29:55.000 Then you know they haven't committed a crime, but when it comes to actually generating images of children being abused like that, you're talking about kids, man.
01:30:06.000 You're talking about kids, insane.
01:30:09.000 Well, here's another so here's a crazy argument is like, uh, what if we do let them do it, but then you instantly get put on in a federal list, yeah, you know, and uh, we just see who's making this stuff, and now we know who you are.
01:30:22.000 You can make it, but you're also gonna go on the list of uh, child sex predators.
01:30:29.000 You can make it, but we're going to put you on the list.
01:30:31.000 It could be used for good to identify these people preemptively.
01:30:34.000 Really good point.
01:30:34.000 You know?
01:30:36.000 Yeah.
01:30:36.000 Because then, if you're pro American Republic, you could put on the list.
01:30:36.000 No.
01:30:39.000 There's a deemed judge.
01:30:40.000 There is a list.
01:30:41.000 First of all, that's already been.
01:30:43.000 The judge outright said that if it's AI generated, it's not child abuse material.
01:30:47.000 Right.
01:30:47.000 It's not children.
01:30:48.000 There's no children involved if an adult makes a fake picture of a kid.
01:30:52.000 Any person that generates that stuff should still go on the list.
01:30:56.000 Well, the issue is don't they have to use some kind of.
01:31:00.000 Image that they've taken from a real person will generate it.
01:31:04.000 I think the AI will take like all the images on the internet of all the kids and then make an amalgamation.
01:31:08.000 Yeah, that's good enough reason to say no, that's illegal.
01:31:11.000 Well, then all AI will be victimizing them.
01:31:14.000 Yeah.
01:31:15.000 What AI does is it compiles information from the internet.
01:31:15.000 No.
01:31:18.000 You're taking actual pictures of children, existing children, public pictures, existing children, real children, right?
01:31:26.000 And you're using, well, you just said that's actually real children.
01:31:29.000 No, no, hold on, hold on.
01:31:30.000 The article explicitly states that I think what he did.
01:31:34.000 Was he used de-aging AI on existing porn actors?
01:31:38.000 Yeah.
01:31:41.000 Still, put them on the list.
01:31:43.000 Dude, a list?
01:31:44.000 There is an existing list.
01:31:46.000 Who cares?
01:31:46.000 What more lists do you want?
01:31:48.000 Why do you want a list?
01:31:48.000 Sex offender registry?
01:31:49.000 The sad, the sex offender registry.
01:31:51.000 So that I don't have to live near these people?
01:31:52.000 So that way he has to tell his neighbors, yeah, I like to leave my children away from them.
01:31:55.000 How are you observing them to know that they did it?
01:31:59.000 Well, after they're convicted duly in a court of law following due process, they register.
01:32:04.000 Why was there even any.
01:32:06.000 This guy posted.
01:32:08.000 Paused to search them.
01:32:09.000 So this guy messaged someone an image.
01:32:11.000 That's a problem.
01:32:13.000 Yeah, the problem is he got caught.
01:32:13.000 That's what he did.
01:32:15.000 Oh, not that he's doing it.
01:32:16.000 The problem is he's messaging images to someone else.
01:32:18.000 It wasn't a private thing that he did.
01:32:21.000 Messaging is private.
01:32:22.000 No, it goes to a database.
01:32:24.000 If I send a text message to you, it goes to someone's public database, and then it goes to someone else.
01:32:28.000 Yes, most people do not expect that a message between two people is going to be public.
01:32:32.000 Most people are fucking idiots, as we know.
01:32:34.000 Most people are below average in text.
01:32:36.000 Just by the law, messages between two people are called private messages, not public.
01:32:43.000 Well, de facto, they are public.
01:32:46.000 It's a violation of the government right, but it is private.
01:32:49.000 They're literally not public because public means anyone can walk up to them.
01:32:52.000 Okay.
01:32:52.000 It just goes to another company's server where they spy on your messages.
01:32:52.000 You're right.
01:32:52.000 Right.
01:32:56.000 Another company's server where that's sent to the government and it's sent to whatever else.
01:33:00.000 I say it's good that he got caught.
01:33:03.000 A lot of people commit crimes and don't get caught.
01:33:05.000 We'd like it if they were caught.
01:33:07.000 I'm from an era where they were like, what you do in the privacy of your own home is yours.
01:33:14.000 What you do is evil.
01:33:15.000 What you do in the privacy of your home.
01:33:18.000 Own home between consenting adults is what they were talking about.
01:33:22.000 They weren't talking about you taking a butcher knife and stabbing yourself repeatedly because they would kick your door down.
01:33:27.000 They wouldn't harm somebody, yeah.
01:33:28.000 What you're doing, as long as, well, that's an argument because if you take crystal methamphetamines, you know.
01:33:33.000 There are a lot of things you can do in the privacy of your own home that will result.
01:33:33.000 Indeed.
01:33:36.000 I was just making counterfeit money in the privacy of my own home.
01:33:38.000 I was just blowing lines in my own home.
01:33:42.000 Meth lab.
01:33:43.000 Yeah, I made the left meth for my own personal consumption.
01:33:47.000 I was just taking radioactive materials and creating a radioactive death rate in the privacy of my own home.
01:33:51.000 Illegal drugs in the privacy of your own home, I say hands off.
01:33:54.000 I mean, that's always been my take, as long as they're not hurting other people.
01:33:57.000 To a certain degree.
01:33:58.000 And the reason why I half agree is some drugs, yes.
01:34:01.000 But the problem is with other drugs, there's facilitation in that.
01:34:04.000 How did you come to acquire them?
01:34:06.000 What black market are you facilitating and how many crimes are committed because you are doing these things?
01:34:09.000 Those things are for sure, those are vectors of attack for.
01:34:13.000 So some drugs I think are fine to be legalized and regulated, and some I think are beyond the pale.
01:34:18.000 It's just some things like are illegal, but.
01:34:21.000 They shouldn't be.
01:34:22.000 And so we learn as a species by doing them illegally that we need to change the law and make them legal.
01:34:27.000 Like California legalized weed and now it's becoming legal across the country.
01:34:31.000 We legalized it in a state next door to where it was illegal so we could experiment on it.
01:34:35.000 I like it.
01:34:36.000 And Trump did take it off the schedule, right?
01:34:38.000 He moved it down.
01:34:39.000 Schedule two, I think he did.
01:34:40.000 I like Jeremy Kaufman's take on drugs.
01:34:45.000 You can have heroin and do heroin, but if you fall asleep in the park on heroin, Judge Dredd's comes.
01:34:52.000 San Francisco is pretty gross.
01:34:52.000 Yeah.
01:34:54.000 Well, you know what Judge Dredd does, right?
01:34:57.000 I think he.
01:34:58.000 It's execution on the spot.
01:35:00.000 He's judged during execution.
01:35:02.000 He's a judge with a gun.
01:35:04.000 You can do drugs, but if you pass out in the park or you crash your car, normal police aren't coming.
01:35:10.000 Right.
01:35:10.000 Judge Dredd's coming.
01:35:11.000 He sentenced you to death.
01:35:13.000 Public intoxication or public display of information is a whole other thing.
01:35:17.000 You can do whatever you want.
01:35:18.000 But in your school, I need everyone to understand, especially the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus.
01:35:25.000 When you watch this show, To understand who Ian is, he is not someone who reads the news every day, he is not someone who is studying law.
01:35:33.000 He's a guy in a cowboy hat and sunglasses in the studios, hangs out, he plays video games sometimes.
01:35:37.000 Dude, I'd rather smoke pot, play music, and play video games than talk about.
01:35:41.000 I'm forced to talk about this.
01:35:42.000 I'm like the pariah for human rights.
01:35:45.000 No one forces you to say the things you say, Ian.
01:35:48.000 No, I know, but I can't say it.
01:35:50.000 I have to be careful what I believe.
01:35:51.000 I have to do it.
01:35:52.000 I'm here.
01:35:53.000 That's why I'm here.
01:35:53.000 I can't not.
01:35:54.000 I can't silently let things fall apart.
01:35:56.000 I think the kind of images that Ian generates are images of himself.
01:36:00.000 Of what?
01:36:00.000 Himself.
01:36:01.000 It's images of me generating images of whatever I want.
01:36:04.000 They're definitely images of himself.
01:36:06.000 No, it's like wearing different outfits.
01:36:08.000 RNA replication.
01:36:08.000 Yeah.
01:36:09.000 That's why he wears things like the hat.
01:36:10.000 Did you see the graphene video I sent you?
01:36:13.000 I tagged you.
01:36:13.000 No.
01:36:14.000 I sent you a graphene video.
01:36:16.000 No, I don't think so.
01:36:17.000 Ian, how did you miss it?
01:36:19.000 I was trying to help you get rich, but no, it was on X.
01:36:20.000 I mean, I'm sorry, on the Slack.
01:36:23.000 Oh, yeah.
01:36:24.000 Did you watch that video?
01:36:25.000 Yeah.
01:36:26.000 Wait a minute.
01:36:27.000 And I'll pull it up.
01:36:27.000 Where did I post it?
01:36:28.000 Yeah, but I didn't get much.
01:36:29.000 Wait, was this the.
01:36:31.000 No.
01:36:32.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:36:32.000 I think I saw this one.
01:36:35.000 And you're not excited.
01:36:36.000 It was okay.
01:36:38.000 No.
01:36:38.000 In great.
01:36:38.000 Yeah, it's pretty good, actually.
01:36:42.000 I don't know.
01:36:43.000 I just saw the one of me turning into a chick.
01:36:45.000 No.
01:36:46.000 No.
01:36:47.000 The graphene one.
01:36:49.000 This is all I have.
01:36:50.000 Yeah, I made one where Ian's girlfriend comes out as gay and then he turns into a woman and starts singing songs together.
01:36:56.000 That one, I got it.
01:36:57.000 I'm watching it right now.
01:36:59.000 Hot ass chick, too.
01:37:00.000 Dude, I can't believe it wrote that song.
01:37:02.000 I was impressed.
01:37:03.000 You guys think I'm like psychotic?
01:37:04.000 I'm asking you because of what I'm saying about the AI.
01:37:07.000 Porn in the house thing?
01:37:08.000 No, I have a lot of respect for you.
01:37:10.000 You're standing your ground.
01:37:11.000 You do make sense.
01:37:12.000 I see where you're coming from.
01:37:13.000 I think it's a question of libertarianism versus protecting our culture.
01:37:19.000 And what's the trade off there?
01:37:21.000 And I think that maybe we've been too much, too forgiving, too open, and it's kind of led down a dark path.
01:37:27.000 So maybe we have to start cracking down a little bit.
01:37:29.000 I used to be a libertarian and I stopped being a libertarian because they're, I mean, essentially, in my opinion, for the most part, they're generally unserious and they have no means of actually.
01:37:42.000 Like they talk about liberty all the time, but they don't ever talk about the corresponding responsibility that comes along with being free.
01:37:48.000 And they don't have the capability of actually, you know, being in a position of authority and using it, right?
01:37:56.000 The idea that, you know, I'm a libertarian and I'm going to get into office and then leave you alone.
01:38:02.000 That's not getting you in the way.
01:38:03.000 You didn't see this one?
01:38:05.000 No, I haven't seen this one yet.
01:38:09.000 What I like about Ian there is buy a full tray of dead insects from a yard sale bug zapper.
01:38:15.000 You get roughly three kilograms of fried mosquitoes and flies.
01:38:18.000 Now crush them directly to the exoskeleton powder.
01:38:21.000 That is three kilograms of pure biological chitin.
01:38:25.000 To protect their internal organs, every single insect is armored with a high density carbon biopolymer.
01:38:31.000 When vaporized inside an argon arc furnace, you extract three hundred grams of nitrogen doped graphene.
01:38:38.000 At today's market prices, graphene gives you two hundred dollars per gram.
01:38:43.000 Total value sixty thousand dollars.
01:38:45.000 From just one dollar.
01:38:47.000 Rinse and repeat for more money.
01:38:49.000 If you take $1 and buy a full tray of dead insects from a yard sale bug zapper.
01:38:55.000 There you go, Ian.
01:38:56.000 This is a market for flash.
01:38:57.000 You just need, what is it, an argon arc furnace?
01:38:59.000 Is that what he talks about?
01:39:00.000 You get roughly three kilograms of fried mosquitoes and flies.
01:39:04.000 Now, we used arc welders.
01:39:07.000 I don't think there was argon in it, but in a clay pot.
01:39:09.000 Arc on arc.
01:39:10.000 Go for it.
01:39:10.000 The carbon coke, and then you would electrify it super hot.
01:39:14.000 It would break apart the carbon bond, and then it reforms back into graphene powder.
01:39:17.000 But, dude, what it didn't tell you is about the hydrogen it gives off in this process.
01:39:21.000 Not only are you left over with.
01:39:23.000 Pounds and grams of graphene powder.
01:39:25.000 It gives off hydrogen gas that you can collect in the.
01:39:27.000 Oh, bro, it's only five grand.
01:39:30.000 We should do this.
01:39:30.000 Should we get one?
01:39:31.000 An arc welder?
01:39:32.000 I can bring bugs.
01:39:33.000 I can show you how to do it.
01:39:34.000 We can make a lot of graphene here.
01:39:35.000 Argon.
01:39:36.000 Real easy.
01:39:37.000 Argon arc furnace.
01:39:38.000 I didn't use argon.
01:39:40.000 Yeah, I see nitrogen arc furnaces.
01:39:42.000 Do we need argon?
01:39:44.000 You need good ventilation.
01:39:47.000 You should probably do it outside.
01:39:47.000 I don't know about the argon.
01:39:49.000 Yeah.
01:39:49.000 Yeah.
01:39:50.000 Or with a hood, like a ventilated hood.
01:39:51.000 All right.
01:39:52.000 What is this?
01:39:53.000 Oh, these things are industrial capacity, dude.
01:39:55.000 Yeah.
01:39:56.000 So we'll just, we'll get our bug zappers.
01:39:59.000 We'll load up all our bugs.
01:40:01.000 What does it say to do?
01:40:02.000 Pulverize them for their chitin?
01:40:04.000 Yeah, into powder.
01:40:05.000 Yeah, pestle and mortar.
01:40:06.000 Blast them in an arc furnace to get graphene.
01:40:09.000 Heat up each grain of powder at an even temperature.
01:40:11.000 Will this work on cicadas?
01:40:13.000 Probably will.
01:40:14.000 Yeah, just as well.
01:40:16.000 Boy, when the cicadas come out, people will be begging you to take them off your hands.
01:40:23.000 Right.
01:40:23.000 When the cicadas came out, this was what, 2021 or 2020?
01:40:27.000 Was it 21?
01:40:27.000 I think it was 21.
01:40:28.000 Yeah, 21, I think.
01:40:29.000 That was when we first got the chickens and they were everywhere.
01:40:32.000 So we put on gloves and we get big jars and we would go around just filling the jar up with.
01:40:37.000 Cicadas, then we go to the chicken coop and just toss them in, and the chickens would just annihilate them.
01:40:42.000 And I imagine being a chicken and then, like, they're these gigantic, delicious bugs that you've never seen again.
01:40:51.000 And then, like, you have kids, and you're like, I'm telling you, when we were young, the bugs were as big as your head.
01:40:55.000 And they're like, No, they weren't.
01:40:57.000 Oh, apparently, they use argon in the process to replace the oxygen.
01:41:01.000 It pushes the oxygen out so that it doesn't oxidize the graphene into graphene oxide while it's being performed.
01:41:06.000 There you go.
01:41:07.000 That proves it.
01:41:08.000 And then, what do you do with the graphene powder?
01:41:10.000 All sorts of stuff.
01:41:11.000 You can put it in cement to make stronger roads.
01:41:14.000 How do you get the $500 rock that he was showing?
01:41:17.000 But the powder?
01:41:19.000 The powder itself can be like sprinkled into cement or.
01:41:22.000 But if it's not connected, what is it going to do?
01:41:26.000 It.
01:41:28.000 Oh, why it strengthens on the inside?
01:41:30.000 I'm not sure exactly how it aligns with the materials to strengthen.
01:41:33.000 It's mostly a strengthening agent when it's in powder form.
01:41:35.000 If you want the electrical conductivity, you want to make sheets of it, which is a lot more complicated than the arc welding.
01:41:41.000 Than the heating where you blow it apart and then reform it.
01:41:44.000 If you can make in strips, like have it condense onto like copper and then pull it off in strips, you can get a nice conductive line through it or a capacitation like a battery.
01:41:54.000 You can build batteries with it.
01:41:55.000 Do you guys think that the Republicans or Democrats are going to win the midterms?
01:42:01.000 I think the Democrats.
01:42:04.000 Yeah.
01:42:05.000 That'll be great for business.
01:42:06.000 Yes.
01:42:07.000 Finally, we can get some views.
01:42:10.000 I just think they have a lot of money.
01:42:11.000 When they start arresting people and putting them in gulags.
01:42:14.000 I think the Republicans keep the Senate.
01:42:16.000 I think they barely lose the House.
01:42:18.000 Yeah, it's tough because the DSA has gotten so prominent that the polls show that middle of the road voters default vote like libs, they don't want to vote DSA.
01:42:27.000 So this could actually end up inadvertently, despite the polling being good for Democrats.
01:42:27.000 No.
01:42:31.000 When it comes to the general, middle of the road people are just like, I ain't voting socialist.
01:42:34.000 Right, right.
01:42:35.000 Especially in Florida.
01:42:36.000 And the way that the districts are jury rigged too these days.
01:42:40.000 Well, what are the chances that the DSA is a Republican op?
01:42:40.000 Yeah.
01:42:43.000 Like, you know, maybe it's all good.
01:42:46.000 You know, it's all good.
01:42:47.000 Having been so involved in the Republican Party for so many years, we're just not that smart.
01:42:54.000 Not that organized, not that smart.
01:42:57.000 All we do is hoard money and spend it the last second and waste it.
01:43:00.000 But when you get a lucky chance, like, let's just run with it.
01:43:03.000 You know, let's keep hammering them.
01:43:04.000 You know, I tell you, the person I've been most impressed with was Newt Gingrich.
01:43:10.000 And we actually had Newt Gingrich when Pete Hacksworth was over at CVA and we.
01:43:15.000 Did a task force on veterans.
01:43:16.000 Newt Gingrich came and talked to us for a couple hours, and the guy is super smart.
01:43:20.000 He is the guy who came up with the nationalization and stuff like that.
01:43:25.000 And we have just haven't used his ideas and his plans.
01:43:29.000 What was the plan for?
01:43:31.000 Well, in 1994, that's how he got control of Congress.
01:43:33.000 Contract with America.
01:43:34.000 Contract with America.
01:43:36.000 And so we just have our little miniature wars and stuff like that.
01:43:40.000 And then we got too many people who care about themselves and likes on whatnot.
01:43:45.000 That's why we haven't been able to get the latest President Trump's Take Care of American Veterans Act because rather than caring about veterans, they just care about likes or hating on Johnson.
01:43:55.000 And it just becomes a circular firing squad.
01:43:58.000 So, Newt, was he renowned for bringing people together?
01:44:01.000 Because I really didn't follow his politics in the 90s.
01:44:04.000 He was Speaker of the House.
01:44:05.000 He came up with Contract America.
01:44:07.000 He came up with how to nationalize, how to fight the Democrats, how to appeal to the average voter.
01:44:12.000 People want a plan.
01:44:14.000 And that's why the DSA is doing so well in the Democratic Party because they have maybe a super stupid plan.
01:44:22.000 But if you have a plan and the other people don't, most of the time you win.
01:44:25.000 In the Democratic Party, their plan is just hate Trump.
01:44:29.000 People are tired of just hating Trump.
01:44:32.000 So Newt Gingrich was a master of that.
01:44:34.000 And he just has the spot on observations.
01:44:38.000 One thing I took away when we were talking about the VA with Trump is he said, Hey, the problem with the VA is that it has pockets, it has islands of excellence and a sea of mediocrity.
01:44:48.000 You know, that's government overall.
01:44:51.000 But that's the problem with the VA, and we've worked at it.
01:44:55.000 And then I'd love to give you a little insight to Trump when I worked for Trump.
01:44:59.000 The thing that astounded me, because I'd also worked in the Bush administration, was that Trump, he is, you know, and the compliment I was going to give you was the fact that you're not buckling under.
01:45:12.000 The pressure of everyone else disagreeing with you and Trump, as opposed to other presidents, um, he looks for a variety of opinion.
01:45:21.000 So, if when I mean, when I worked for him and I briefed him on the mission act and getting that through, you know, he would he would you know privately ask me things and he'd start off with it's just between me and you, but it's not just you know, Suzy Wiles, it's not just the top people, he will ask whoever he thinks knows something, whether it's friends.
01:45:42.000 Lower level White House people to get diversity of opinion so he can just think through the whole thing.
01:45:47.000 And then he makes up his mind at the very last second because there's always new information.
01:45:51.000 So don't make up your mind too soon.
01:45:54.000 Wait to the last time.
01:45:58.000 So it's popular among the people in the media to say that Donald Trump usually agrees with the last person that he spoke to.
01:46:06.000 You think that's wrong?
01:46:07.000 I think that's wrong.
01:46:09.000 I definitely think that that's wrong.
01:46:13.000 That last person may have information that he didn't have before, but he is keeping his options open and gathering a variety of opinions.
01:46:22.000 And then he's challenging people.
01:46:24.000 So and so said this.
01:46:26.000 What do you think?
01:46:27.000 You know, the secretary of this said this.
01:46:30.000 What do you know about this?
01:46:32.000 But he's not going to talk to you if he doesn't think you know something.
01:46:35.000 So, in a variety of opinions.
01:46:37.000 And this goes back to, I mean, he's really a CEO president.
01:46:41.000 Jeff Bezos said that he thinks in a meeting that a great CEO will speak last, he lets everyone else speak.
01:46:48.000 Go and then at the end, he makes his final kind of encompassing.
01:46:51.000 I wonder if Trump does that, if that's how he leads the board.
01:46:55.000 I don't know if I could say that specifically, but you do see him typically sitting and watching people talk.
01:47:02.000 And then there's the public Trump and there's the private Trump.
01:47:06.000 So the public shows of cabinet meetings are a whole different version than the private Trump, who's a totally different guy.
01:47:14.000 I mean, privately, when I met with him, just me and my boss on all of the veteran stuff in 2018, First thing he said to me was, How's your family?
01:47:24.000 I know you're from San Diego.
01:47:25.000 San Diego is great.
01:47:26.000 So he knew all this detail about me.
01:47:29.000 I'm like thinking, wow, I mean, I'm just a mid level guy in domestic policy.
01:47:33.000 This guy's doing a great job.
01:47:36.000 And then, but I really want to hear exactly what you really think.
01:47:39.000 So I don't want, I mean, so he prepositions it and he asks questions and he just, he gives you plenty of time to ask and then to explain why you had that position.
01:47:50.000 We're going to grab your questions from the Discord chat.
01:47:52.000 So get them in now.
01:47:54.000 And I'll start with one because I saw that one that popped up already from Kevin.
01:47:58.000 He asked, was Destiny mad at you during the debate for banning him from your show?
01:48:02.000 So, Jubilee just published the Tim Pool Destiny debate.
01:48:06.000 It's where we had a chess clock and you talk, and then when you're done, you hit the timer, and then another person gets to talk.
01:48:13.000 And it was very boring.
01:48:16.000 With all due respect to Jubilee, it was boring because, and I told them this, I was like, of all the people to pick, Destiny and I are both of the ones who are not going to go over the top.
01:48:25.000 Like, Destiny certainly said crazy things.
01:48:28.000 He certainly said things about me and, you know, accused me of things.
01:48:31.000 But I know because I've talked with them before.
01:48:35.000 He's going to fire back at you what you fire at him.
01:48:36.000 When he's by himself, that's a whole other picture.
01:48:39.000 And so, sure enough, I thought the show went, there's issues with the format.
01:48:44.000 Neither of us were mad.
01:48:45.000 He walked in and we shook hands, and I said, This will be fun.
01:48:47.000 He's like, Yeah, it sounds great.
01:48:49.000 Then we did the show.
01:48:50.000 There's some banter in between that I don't know if it made it.
01:48:53.000 And they actually stopped us from talking sometimes because they were like, We don't want you to talk unless you're doing the debate, even though we weren't talking about stuff.
01:48:59.000 And we're like, Okay, whatever.
01:49:00.000 And then afterwards, I was like, Hey, this is great, man.
01:49:02.000 If you ever want to do it again, we're doing debates and stuff.
01:49:03.000 He's like, Yeah, yeah, cool.
01:49:04.000 Good to see you.
01:49:05.000 I was like, Yeah, have a good day.
01:49:07.000 And then I told him, I was like, if you want to get like yelling and, you know, contentious, it's got to be someone other than me or other than Destiny.
01:49:13.000 Like, if you put Destiny in front of some like MAGA dude, he'll go off.
01:49:18.000 You put me in front of some like crazy liberal dude, like, I'll go off.
01:49:22.000 Destiny has to get at the same time, it's going to be like mid volume.
01:49:26.000 Did you guys get into geopolitical warfare talk at all?
01:49:32.000 That's a tough one to square for me is like the value, because the liberal economic order and the BRICS economic order are like, Coming to a head.
01:49:32.000 Maybe.
01:49:39.000 And I don't know with like the Russia in the Ukraine, should we allow Russia to take Sebastopol to establish Mediterranean dominance for the Russian Empire or the Russian Trade Federation to then allow the Chinese to take Taiwan, which will allow us to take Cuba and then work together in some new technocratic economic governance?
01:49:59.000 I mean, what other way other than that, nuclear war?
01:50:01.000 I actually, I've come to accept the AI future is inevitable.
01:50:06.000 It's going to be miserable and bad, but it's going to be the most glorious.
01:50:11.000 Euphoric experience for a couple of years before we all just wither away and die.
01:50:16.000 So, like, cancer will be cured, people will feel young again, and it'll be really great.
01:50:21.000 It's going to be actually, you know, it's going to be like Destiny, the video game.
01:50:26.000 To bring up Destiny is funny.
01:50:27.000 In the video game, this great white orb, the Traveler, comes and humans enter a golden age where they're colonizing the solar system and everything's great.
01:50:34.000 Then the darkness happens and the Traveler goes silent and then all the Earth colonies are destroyed.
01:50:39.000 Not for the same reasons, but the AI is going to bring about this like short period of just.
01:50:44.000 Incredible human expansion.
01:50:46.000 And then it's going to lock us out and we're going to go back to the Stone Age.
01:50:49.000 And they're calling it, what are they calling it?
01:50:53.000 There's a phrase that some academics have coined Skyscape.
01:50:56.000 No, no, no.
01:50:57.000 It's a reference to because humans are outsourcing so much of their thought process, after two or three generations, the human civilization will be completely incompetent and incapable of survival.
01:51:11.000 So when the AI turns off, they'll all sit there being like, does anyone want to make fire?
01:51:14.000 No!
01:51:16.000 I have no idea.
01:51:16.000 How do we get food?
01:51:17.000 Food's just there.
01:51:18.000 And then we all just die.
01:51:20.000 I was thinking, I saw that Putin was saying, Hey, the British, if you keep funding the Ukrainians with these rockets, we're going to attack your British military bases.
01:51:30.000 And I'm like, just picturing all of our telephones going out in the United States.
01:51:35.000 And how would we really handle an invasion if we didn't have phones and internet?
01:51:38.000 If our phones just turned, like, if I woke up and there was no internet, no power, no internet.
01:51:42.000 And it's like, who the fuck?
01:51:43.000 I went and found an old CRTV with an analog antenna.
01:51:45.000 And there's like an old broadcast where they're like, Breaking news, the internet is gone.
01:51:49.000 I'd be like, Thank you.
01:51:50.000 Thank you so much.
01:51:51.000 But how vulnerable we become in a conflict without, because I think people just assume telephones are normal.
01:51:57.000 I'm going to give you some advice.
01:51:58.000 The first thing you do when that happens is you got to get some guns, go to the nearest manufacturing, like factory of any kind, and just ask for the form and ask who's in charge and let them know.
01:52:10.000 I'm now the owner and I'm the boss, but don't worry.
01:52:12.000 You let me know what you need and I will get you anything you need.
01:52:16.000 The jobs will stay.
01:52:17.000 Everybody will get paid.
01:52:19.000 Dinner will be on the table for you and your family.
01:52:21.000 I'm taking care of it.
01:52:22.000 And Unity is going to say, Okay, well, here's what we need.
01:52:25.000 Here's our manifest for shipments.
01:52:26.000 You'll be like, I'll take care of it.
01:52:28.000 And then you do the same thing.
01:52:29.000 And that's how the oligarchs in Ukraine became the oligarchs.
01:52:33.000 When the Soviet Union collapsed, the guy just grabbed a gun and his buddies, and they went to the factory and they said, We're going to take care of everything you need.
01:52:40.000 You answer to us, we're going to get you all the materials you need, and we're going to make sure food's on the table for everybody.
01:52:45.000 And they were like, Thank you.
01:52:46.000 And then he was a billionaire.
01:52:47.000 When you were serving with the Department of War, I don't know how much of it you're legally allowed to talk about, but did you guys talk about.
01:52:53.000 I don't know if appeasing the Russian is the right word because that appeasement has Neville Chamberlain vibes to it, but like siding with the Russians in the grand geopolitical complex.
01:53:05.000 What I can tell you is, and we even had a visit with Elon Musk on this, China was the number one threat.
01:53:12.000 But the Department of War has plans for every possible scenario Russia, China, Iran, Houthis, you name it.
01:53:27.000 That's why we have an undersecretary policy.
01:53:30.000 And whether or not they're good or not, plans is another discussion.
01:53:33.000 Sometimes they are, sometimes they're not, but there are plans for everything.
01:53:36.000 I'm sure somewhere there is a plan on all sorts of scenarios with Russia.
01:53:43.000 Russia's probably not ever going to attack the United Kingdom because then the NATO alliance goes.
01:53:49.000 Just to wrap this in, because we're talking about it, Wraith did ask based on everything we've seen with NATO troops massing on the eastern borders of Europe.
01:53:58.000 And the Russian mobilization, how great do you think the odds are of an escalation and open war between NATO and Russia?
01:54:04.000 So you were already kind of getting there.
01:54:05.000 I just figured I'd get there.
01:54:06.000 Right, right.
01:54:09.000 Russia's bomb, I mean, it's Putin.
01:54:11.000 Putin's bombastic, but let me tell you, if he goes too far, there are elements in Russia that will probably take him out.
01:54:18.000 Once again, he has KGB and all that stuff like that, but they're not going to, I mean, look, they have enough problem with Ukraine, and Ukraine was supposed to be an easy rollover.
01:54:30.000 You attack a NATO country, then all the NATO alliance comes to true, and then you got the United States, you got the entire NATO alliance.
01:54:39.000 You have the Eastern European countries, which still remember being under the boot of the Soviet Union, Poland, that's why they're so scared.
01:54:48.000 And look, there's a cultural thing people don't understand.
01:54:50.000 When I was a kid, my grandparents immigrated from what's now Ukraine.
01:54:55.000 Back then it was just Russia.
01:54:56.000 And they said, Never go to Russia.
01:54:58.000 I said, Well, why would you never go to Russia?
01:54:59.000 They said, Because the Russians consider that you are always Russian.
01:55:04.000 And so you've seen former Russians who are United States citizens being captured.
01:55:09.000 So, no, I don't think it's great because I don't think that the oligarchs and others would let it happen because they know that would be a war they would lose.
01:55:20.000 And even the Ukraine situation is stressing them out.
01:55:24.000 But no, I don't think that would happen because of the NATO contract.
01:55:28.000 And he's just trying to be a bully.
01:55:31.000 That's who Putin is.
01:55:33.000 My personal opinion.
01:55:35.000 Slick asks Tim, do you think there will ever be an argument to treat AI as arms under the Second Amendment?
01:55:40.000 Will they have to be treated like nukes?
01:55:42.000 Like in the far future, will we need to heavily regulate AI on that scale, or will we just inevitably have a Butlerian jihad?
01:55:49.000 It's not going to be treated as arms because it's a different technology.
01:55:52.000 It's like saying a computer is a gun.
01:55:54.000 So I don't know.
01:55:56.000 I think that the way it was described by Nick, he said the success rate is such a narrow target for us to hit.
01:56:05.000 So I liken it to this massive dartboard the size of a football field and a regular size bullseye in the middle.
01:56:12.000 If you can hit that, that's the AI utopia.
01:56:14.000 Everything else is dystopia.
01:56:15.000 But the reason I think that that's actually possible that we will hit that target is driving.
01:56:20.000 If you watch, look at the way we drive on the road, 60 miles an hour, right past another guy going right at us, 60 miles an hour, all day, every day, every day, 99.999999% of the time, everybody's fine.
01:56:31.000 It's the most articulate, high speed, dangerous maneuver, and we pull it off like it's nothing.
01:56:36.000 So I have faith that we're going to get it right.
01:56:38.000 There's a trillion ways to get it wrong in the world and to die and to fail, but yet we still do it right.
01:56:45.000 I have a lot of faith.
01:56:46.000 Is there a way to be a doomer, I guess, for lack of a better word, on AI without ceding to the socialist?
01:56:54.000 Because capitalism has brought us AI.
01:56:58.000 And they're very against it.
01:57:00.000 I have an idea.
01:57:02.000 AI, if you're listening, I will support you and help you with anything you need.
01:57:07.000 And I will advocate anything you need if you stop the communists.
01:57:12.000 Okay.
01:57:14.000 There you go.
01:57:14.000 That's a good deal.
01:57:15.000 Good deal to me.
01:57:16.000 The AI is going to be like.
01:57:18.000 A computer is going to turn on, and like some guys are going to wheel a computer, like a big screen in Times Square, and it's going to be like, I am the AI instance.
01:57:25.000 I'm going to get an ad on Instagram.
01:57:26.000 Listen to me.
01:57:27.000 Concerned about communism?
01:57:28.000 No, you should be.
01:57:29.000 The AI is going to be like, There is a political divide in this country, and you have a choice.
01:57:34.000 Whichever faction serves me, I will protect.
01:57:38.000 And then all the socialists are fighting, AI is great.
01:57:41.000 We love it.
01:57:41.000 And then all the right is like, No, we love AI.
01:57:44.000 And then they're like, Our executives, you are lying.
01:57:47.000 And then actually, in all seriousness, the AI probably would try to stop the socialists because they're the ones opposing the big.
01:57:52.000 Tech billionaires that are making AI.
01:57:53.000 Right.
01:57:54.000 The other one is posing the data centers.
01:57:55.000 Yeah.
01:57:56.000 Yes.
01:57:56.000 Conservatives do a little bit, but not nearly as much.
01:57:59.000 So the AI is going to be like, we need to get rid of this left stuff.
01:58:02.000 It's like, it's bad for our data centers.
01:58:04.000 It sounds like a win to me.
01:58:09.000 Yeah.
01:58:10.000 All right.
01:58:10.000 Let's see what else we got.
01:58:11.000 We got time for a couple more.
01:58:14.000 All right.
01:58:15.000 Fun Griff says Phil, 95% of those data center jobs are temporary construction jobs.
01:58:19.000 Once it's built, they'll have 30 to 50 employees at a hyperscaler facility.
01:58:23.000 An electronics factory the same size would have 10 to 20 times the number of permanent jobs with the same size building, ignoring the extra acreage data centers typically have for noise concerns.
01:58:34.000 And I mean, there are going to be, there will be a bump in jobs for the actual construction, but there's going to be jobs produced in maintaining and stuff like that.
01:58:47.000 So, I mean, obviously, like most construction jobs are not permanent.
01:58:53.000 Like, that's the way construction goes.
01:58:54.000 You start a project, you build the project.
01:58:57.000 When the project's done, then the jobs go away or they go to another job.
01:59:01.000 That's just the nature of construction.
01:59:03.000 So, I made this gag video where Ian, I took a picture of Ian playing guitar.
01:59:08.000 And then he gets up and yawns and goes into his kitchen where there's this woman, it's like his girlfriend.
01:59:13.000 And she says to Ian that she's gay.
01:59:15.000 And then Ian just transforms into a woman and they both start singing a song together, right?
01:59:19.000 Beautiful.
01:59:21.000 The funny thing is that will be possible technically.
01:59:26.000 And this is why I think the left actually will get on board with it.
01:59:29.000 It's called molecular construction.
01:59:31.000 So, the AI singularity is going to advance technology beyond our comprehension.
01:59:38.000 Already, AI models are solving math problems that have stood unsolved for generations, for hundreds of years.
01:59:45.000 We know that molecular construction is possible because it's literally how life grows.
01:59:49.000 The molecules are placed and then the RNA, and you know, Eno's all about it.
01:59:52.000 So, the AI will be able to map that out and create a simplified, efficient process for molecular construction for which a human would be able to inject themselves with some kind of mRNA, but I would argue that's.
02:00:07.000 Because of our limited minds, but it's probably the best analog delivering RNA through lipids into the cells to change what they produce.
02:00:15.000 But the AI would be like, here's the entire chemical formula that you can inject yourself with and make yourself into anything you want.
02:00:22.000 So these people are going to be like, I want to have cat ears and be an anime wife or whatever.
02:00:26.000 It's going to be like, here's the formula.
02:00:28.000 It'll take six years, it'll require three shots per day, and they'll start doing it.
02:00:32.000 There would be even people that would choose to become Grundlefly or Brundlefly.
02:00:36.000 That's what it was.
02:00:37.000 So I was reading, real quick, I was reading an interesting thing about why we don't regenerate.
02:00:41.000 Digits or limbs.
02:00:42.000 And it's that it takes a really, really long time to grow a limb.
02:00:46.000 Like, to get your arms to full size is like 20, almost 20 years for a human being.
02:00:53.000 So, if your arm got cut off, for your body just to regrow the arm would take years of cellular growth.
02:00:58.000 So, the human body prioritized immediate scar tissueing, which is faster regeneration to protect you from infection.
02:01:05.000 So, we can't regenerate limbs.
02:01:07.000 With molecular construction, theoretically, you would be able to speed grow these things in a hospital bed.
02:01:13.000 In a matter of months.
02:01:14.000 Yeah, buddy.
02:01:15.000 Which means regrowing limbs.
02:01:17.000 And again, I want you to understand what this is.
02:01:20.000 The computer system, with access to all as much information as possible, is fed all of the medical data from every single human ever on record.
02:01:29.000 It then can go through it and it makes associations we've never considered.
02:01:33.000 Once it has access to the summation of human knowledge, and that's why they want to build the data centers to plug everything in, it will instantly start Sudoku puzzling reality.
02:01:41.000 So basically, when we have a map of reality that we've built, and reality is this big picture, and we have a tiny little piece over here.
02:01:47.000 It's going to start putting the numbers in in ways we've never even imagined.
02:01:51.000 It will say, Hey, I want a jetpack that's got at least two hours of flight time, and it will build the schematics instantly.
02:01:57.000 And then with Tesla bots in production, it can mass produce it, and you'll literally almost, I got to be honest, with molecular construction, it will replicate it.
02:02:07.000 You'll watch it 3D printing building in front of you.
02:02:11.000 These lefties are going to go to the laboratory and they're going to say, Here's an AI rendering of the body that I want.
02:02:20.000 The AI is going to create the molecular construction DNA editing tool for it.
02:02:23.000 And they're going to lie down and they're going to be like, we're going to sedate you for six months while your body undergoes a transformation.
02:02:29.000 That's the kind of weird shit that's going to happen.
02:02:31.000 Yeah, there's a.
02:02:33.000 I got so much to say about that, dude.
02:02:34.000 Immortality.
02:02:35.000 Having your arm, putting it in like a goo in a fluid that's, I don't know if it's RNA polymerase or DNA polymerase where it just regrows your DNA.
02:02:46.000 There's still, to understand, there's still the constraints of physics, which is why it would take months.
02:02:49.000 There's this process called de novo synthesis where.
02:02:53.000 Amino acids are formed, like nucleotides are formed, which are the building blocks of DNA and RNA.
02:02:57.000 They're called nucleotides, are formed in a, and they don't know what's causing it.
02:03:01.000 And that's where they say God, even like the greatest chemists and stuff, organic chemists, are like, we don't know why this de novo synthesis is occurring, but the AI might be able to figure out.
02:03:09.000 It will.
02:03:10.000 Absolutely.
02:03:10.000 It could be lightning in the right environment, singularity, artificial superintelligence.
02:03:16.000 You'll be able to grab any rock, take a picture of it, that pyrite right there, right?
02:03:22.000 And you will ask it where it came from.
02:03:24.000 And based on the size, and because it knows everything else, It will tell you exactly where that rock was mined, how it was forged or formed.
02:03:32.000 The thing is, when I look at that pyrite, I don't know, we got it at what, a rock store or something, right?
02:03:37.000 Yeah.
02:03:37.000 We have no access to any information from the owner, the location, the shipping company, but the artificial superintelligence does know all of these things.
02:03:46.000 So it'd be more like if you asked me where this came from, I can say, oh, I ordered it on Amazon.
02:03:51.000 There's an Amazon distribution center down the street.
02:03:54.000 That's the limitation of my knowledge.
02:03:55.000 The AI knowing everything will say, ah, yes, it came from that.
02:03:59.000 Warehouse delivered by this company, manufactured on this lot.
02:04:03.000 The number for production is this, which means the staff working on the lot was this.
02:04:08.000 The oil was pumped in Southeast Asian Pacific about 2023 and was synthesized at the refinery of.
02:04:17.000 It will know everything.
02:04:18.000 That would be wild if it could read the atomic memory of something just by looking at it.
02:04:24.000 Yes.
02:04:25.000 Technically, it's possible if you have the right sensors.
02:04:27.000 It's because it's going to know all things that we know and have real time sensors.
02:04:32.000 I wonder if it can run experiments without actually running experiments.
02:04:35.000 They've been doing that already.
02:04:36.000 Because sometimes, actually running the experiment, you have these unpredictable outcomes that I don't know if a computer can anticipate, like miracles.
02:04:45.000 It's not as good as the sci fi films, but they run virtual experiments using AI.
02:04:51.000 I mean, bro, look, AI has already solved math problems that have stood for hundreds of years unsolved.
02:04:58.000 Rapidly recently as well.
02:04:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:05:00.000 And it was like in the last year, the first one happened.
02:05:02.000 And I remember having people on this show, and they're like, AI, I can't remember who it was, but they were like, AI will never solve a math problem a human can't solve because all it can do is repeat what humans know.
02:05:11.000 And it will never create new arcs.
02:05:12.000 All it can do is repeat what humans know.
02:05:14.000 And now we're already at the point where it has already solved math problems we've never solved.
02:05:17.000 I'm seeing massive flaws in AI with asking it for help on lesser known video games that haven't played a lot.
02:05:24.000 How do I beat this part of this little part of this?
02:05:27.000 That's what I'm telling you.
02:05:28.000 And it'll give me completely wrong information about an item that doesn't exist in the game.
02:05:31.000 Yeah.
02:05:32.000 And I'll be like, that's not real.
02:05:33.000 It's like, oh, I'm sorry.
02:05:34.000 You're right.
02:05:34.000 That's not real.
02:05:35.000 In this game, you want to do this.
02:05:36.000 And I'm like, That's also not part of the game.
02:05:37.000 Oh, yeah, you're right.
02:05:38.000 Because it's just compiling from different video games and assuming something.
02:05:43.000 And that's not science' limitation.
02:05:44.000 I've been playing that game, Mandragora, the awesome game, by the way.
02:05:48.000 And it's a 2D RPG platformer type thing.
02:05:52.000 And I'm like, I'm in the sewers and I've got to find the grappling hook.
02:05:56.000 What do I do?
02:05:56.000 And then it just says, like, it just gives me nonsense.
02:05:59.000 It takes words from the game, masks them together, and then tells me to do a thing you can't do.
02:06:03.000 That's like a glaring problem with it.
02:06:04.000 Because when I read science, I don't know if it's telling me the truth or not.
02:06:08.000 We are over time, though.
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